Erel Light

[patent trout]

Using erel as my alt to farm mesos, any recommendations whr should i go?? Af30? Af90 ? Sf158?

Currently at sf144 , was thinking too wasteful to just farm at sf144 as having a Free Mythic Emblem Weapon

Or I should just stay in Sf144?

[upbeat ember]

Im gunning for af90 150%

I think its better cuz of the free weapon

Plus erel only need 2 silver pets if you run out of 3x wonder blue

[patent trout]

I see, can share your eq ?

[upbeat ember]

1 min

Not done yet

Need hat gloves overall and shoe to mythic

Then exp souls in secondary, shoulder, belt, and cape

Vellum souls at least

And chg the weapon soul to PA vellum soul as well

And also I raise my arcane force to 140

Then only i call it done

And also 5x diamond exp jewels

[fossil yacht]

return me friday 12mil grp1

[pallid plaza]

😂

[fossil yacht]

not bad went lotus at 210, with c50 wpn full buff doing 1xx b

[lucid widget]

Hi Fam, may I seek your opinion ? The free soul enchantment, should it be used on the burning weapon ?

And correct me if I’m wrong, even if I put a soul in the eq, the effects are not everlasting unless it’s magnificent ?

[lofty perch]

Souls are permanent, unless you overwrite it with a different one later.
Magnificent are more expensive because the effect, while random, grant stats that have more benefit and/or can’t come from the other soul types.

As for using it on the burning weapon, you might as well, especially when new. It’s probably gonna be a while before you acquire anything even remotely close to being better than the Burning event weapon.

[lucid widget]

Ahh. Thank you so much for the kind advice ! ☺️

Was afraid of making a wrong move and regret it later 😅

[steel smelt]

Better to equip the potent soul on that soulbound weapon and tbh i wouldnt worry about any other weapons for a long time

[lofty perch]

Absolutely this. ^^
It took me over a month and a few billion meso to build a comparable weapon for my Paladin.
Erel’s got it good right now, and more like amazing for new players.

[steel smelt]

If you want my honest opinion, seeing as you're a newer player I would go this route like myself.

You will get free max exaltion on that weapon after completing all the tasks.

Farm expeditions daily eventually you will get enough of the empress stones (red) from cygnus. I would refine that weapon with the stones.

Then proceed to if you get enough pink stones (150?) Correct me if i am wrong and mastercraft that weapon into an inherent weapon (blue) don't choose necro mastercraft.

At worst odds for mastercraft with inherent you will have 40% success rate.

At worst odds on necro 4%

Remember you have 3 attempts to succeed otherwise you will need to craft mastercraft reduction scrolls

Ignore anyone who says to necro the weapon because frankly you won't need that type of weapon for probably a year + in which case by that time you're more likely to be building a second weapon that could be used as a necro weapon or you might be working on alts.

What i wouldn't do is try adding more emblem traces to your current weapon as the success rate is 10%.

This^ is purely under the assumption you are free2play and not a massive whale, and also most likely not farming on 400 different alt characters

[lofty perch]

You can also stack 5x scrolls on inherit, vs 2 on necro, so if you’re willing to use those, you can get really high passing odds on a single stone, since those are hard to come by when really new.
(And yeah, 150 is correct).

[steel smelt]

Eitherway anyone who tells you go necro route is setting you up to quit and fail unless you somehow are blessed by nexon gods

[lofty perch]

Yeap, honestly, necro is absolutely NOT needed for anything before Ark, and even then, you’re probably gonna be getting carried by the rest of your party for a while anyway.

[pliant fossil]

ahh so its 5x for inherit, was wondering about this from a screenshot earlier

[lofty perch]

Until then, it’s more of a convenience thing, making your daily boss runs just melt if doing them solo.
Fair Trade go brrrrt.

[steel smelt]

I know thats a lot of info to wrap your head around but atp in time you might wanna take my recommendation

[lucid widget]

😭 Can’t thank you peeps enough 🙏🏻 ! Appreciate all of your advices and had screenshot the roadmap. Will def follow this seeing that Im a new and learning the intricacies of the game. You peeps are golden I tell ya ❤️.

[steel smelt]

Example weapon not max level and stayed at 20sf

Thats the same weapon you have just refined+inherent mastercrafted and has emblem lvl4 like yours

The reason i stated inherent is that the cost of mastercrafts is expensive and tbh you want to invest as much mesos as you can into nodestones to overall make your character stronger. Not worth investing into failed opportunities of a necro weapon when you can progress your main weapon and nodestones

Nodestones = what you see in the video

That was when i was weaker but the idea is the same

Tbh i think im gonna make my end game gear progression to end at just inherent mastercrafts dont care about necro myself nor doing any extreme bosses. I enjoy just the farming aspect and eventually i'll just buy my necro gear overtime

😅

[thin swan]

nice

[lofty perch]

Honestly not a bad route to take.

I have always been a fan of “always bet on the sure thing” when it comes to games like this.
Yes, it’s slower, but there is zero chance of you failing to buy an upgrade for sale, so long as you have the meso/coin for it.
Also, so many things that jack your power through the roof that are far less RNG dependent. Arcane, nodes (yes, there is RNG in the opening, but you WILL finish one day, unlike gear upgrades which can theoretically fail forever), hypers, etc. etc.

Meso grinding is atrociously slow, and the inflation from all of the bots isn’t exactly helping, but yeah, still 100% chance, eventually.

[steel smelt]

I mean eventually necro growth will be easier so cost will go down anyways why bother risking it all now when you can get for like half priced later on 😂

Roi on saving mesos by going Inherent > failing 45 times necro

[lofty perch]

I absolutely would not argue against that at all.
Tbh, I finally just joined a guild doing regular boss runs and have had no issue pulling the 2+% on Ark, even though last night he got blown down sub-30s, even with just a myth 40 CD Jaihin.
Of course going up to Lotus is probably where that cutoff for my myth is, but I am quite sure that an Inherit with the various ways of pushing crit rate would be sufficient, so long as nodes are on point.

[steel smelt]

I dont even think i would consider pushing for lotus

[lofty perch]

I have a feeling that once you’re further down the inherit/chaos rabbit hole you’ll want to try and give her a jab, and probably be pleasantly surprised.

[thin swan]

what are your stats / dmg in fog forest to hit 2% in ark, if u dont mind showing

[steel smelt]

You need to hit over 20bil damage for 2%

And your question was already answered by @lofty shore

[lofty perch]

Let me see if I have a recent one.
Currently in a perma group, but I know I could show you my CEmp solo run from day before yesterday to give you an easily testable metric.

[thin swan]

yea am aware, i am trying to see if i can extrapolate that from fog forest / other bosses

[steel smelt]

Fog forest doesnt help much

Go to Normal Mag, if you can 1shot it then you can 2% ark

🫡

Just know if you dont have high crit chance your damage will differ 👌

[lofty perch]

Actually, even better, here’s my last solo Nmag run from the first day I did 2+% on Ark.
Should give you a decent point of comparison since it’s got passably comparable boss stats involved.

[thin swan]

nice thank you helpful, i can solo in about the same time as well so should be good then fingers crossed i'll try and see haha

[steel smelt]

I think NMag solo burst in 1shot skill usage good way to guage your 2% for Ark

[lofty perch]

Definitely worth a crack.
Most important thing with Ark unless the party is hard carrying is making sure to not botch his orb mechanic. Most everything else is on the aggro tank and Bishops.

[lofty perch]

I believe it’s quite possible for Erel’s giant nuke to hit both towers if you’re near center, so those rapid ticks could pretty easily lead to an instant fail if so.
Just something to keep in mind once the orbs are out.

[frank hemlock]

nah dont go inherit, you have a lot of time to slowly to collect pink stones + 2 mastercraft % scrolls from events + refine

+AF PAs you can do Mag with Mythic40

going inherit is wasting the free level40 CD emblem weapon

like what you should do is max trinodes + main Vskill to 25+5 1st and see your damage

20k PA ish with Mythic40 emblem is good enough to do Hmag even if you know how to use iframes + burst timings with LS4 + fever

also work on Crit rate related stats is useful in the process (legion, link, some flames )

even if you rush inherit guess what? doesnt do much for you because all the other stuff also needs time

wait as well just wait for the initial 3 months~ to collect the resources

[lofty perch]

Even in that range, my damage was high enough to reach min contribution on Ark as well.

I know that’s kinda the low bar now, but realistically, going back and watching some Ark clear videos back when it was done “as intended”, top damage in some of those parties wasn’t that much higher than what can be out out now with that gear.

Think in Echo’s original video on his DS, he was hitting like 9-10m lines and second in damage. I was 7-8m and still had plenty of room to get stronger without even touching my gear. Just nodes, Hypers, levels for Arcanes, etc.

[frank hemlock]

yes

and the moment you pass a Necro slowly

like how i did on my alt( well not Erel) but it's amazing

I didn't need to go through another exalting phase again

instant ~32k PA + fair trade

with my hypers/link skills/legion/nodes+vskill somewhat decent

took me like 3months + from the moment I got my Mythic40

[lofty perch]

Yeah, that’s where I am on my main as of now.
Tonight will be my first set of bosses with this bump, so I’m curious to see how it performs with full buffs.
Still only L213, so again, nodes, Arcane, hypers can still add a lot. The latter especially, because my current hypers are almost all exp, pexp and buff item duration.
Once I build a page for bossing, we’ll see where I really am.

[frank hemlock]

haha you're kinda unhinged for doing training page 1st

usually people dont do that

I only started my training page at level 220 since its getting very slow here

i'd say FD, PD is very important and you should work on them from now on

[lofty perch]

Made the most sense to me, actually.

I always start with the thing that can benefit me the most being run long term.
Hell, my very first character that I made was a Cadena, because “meso picker”.
Then I realized how absolutely garbage meso farming rates are no matter what class you use, and made my paladin. XD

[frank hemlock]

well idk if you played MaplePC before but

a lot of the advice they gave was to build EXP related link skills stuff 1st but people struggled to progress

because exp stuff doesnt matter when your kill rate is slow

so I think damage 1st is better

FD/PD hypers at least

like people build Mercedes and all the EXP related link skill 1st and realised that 1% of low exp is still low exp

😂

[lofty perch]

Nah, this is my first venture into this franchise. I didn’t even know it existed until this year, and I’ve been an avid RPG player since 1995 or so.

Nexon’s ad work is terrible. XD

[frank hemlock]

idk how much you spent into your exp pexp page now

but start on FD/PD at least 10 points each

and 1 point in ADI

(the last stats at the bottom

[lofty perch]

I had some in ADI a while back. Then I stripped it out after realizing it did less damage in an entire minute in Fog than two of my Blast spams.

[frank hemlock]

you only just want a little points just because

dont touch ADI until maxed FD/PD

and when capping

but are you going to main Paladin or Erel?

I remember you saying not decided yet right

[lofty perch]

I currently have 9 FD, 7 PD, 20 Item duration, 14 exp, 23 pexp.

Since I’m already one shotting everything in 194, and I’ll be here a while, just going to let this page ride and build the second page as straight boss.

Already pretty close to having the mesos to max FD, PD and then do whatever else with the remainder.

[lofty perch]

Going to stick with the Paladin. Erel just feels like my paladin, but more aoe, lower burst, and more fragile.

[frank hemlock]

wait so this is on Erel or Paladin?

If Erel's just going to be a farmer then don't even bother honestly

just stop here at this point

[lofty perch]

Paladin.
Erel has literally zero hypers in.
He’s parked for now, but may be a node picker one day. Haven’t decided.
Honestly, I’m more sold on just keeping perma AB running on the Paladin.

[frank hemlock]

ah okay

[frank hemlock]

just consider the FD and PD in this page done

just start working on your bossing page

trust

at least level 20 FD and PD + 1 point in ADI

[lofty perch]

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking.
I do want to get the pexp maxed, just because with that multi being so naturally low, it’s a lot more beneficial.

As for the bossing page, yeah, I’ll just max FD and PD all at once, then see what’s left over, see how close I am getting to cap, and decide from there.

[frank hemlock]

wait until you hit 220 to do PEXP imo

210-220 is relatively fast

once a week to 215 then once every 2 weeks to 220

at AF160/170 respectively

[lofty perch]

Nah, we’re running 194.
Three of us, myself and two Erels, currently L213, averaging a level every 2.5 days still.
All of us have 60+% pexp already, so do better by ourselves during cold time than running with pubs even during HT.

[frank hemlock]

ahh

okay

although you might wanna experiment in AF170 after 215

it gives good meso, deccent exp and decent nodestones drop

I find sf194 kinda eh post 215 esp when I can get free nodestones drop just passively farming with not too bad of a exp and way better meso rates

but you having a fixed party might be different, still, experiment for a bit

it might be even worth it for you if nodestones are still quite expensive in your server

basically calculate the average nodestones you can get in 170 passive vs using some mesos to buy from farming in sf194 and see which one is better

[lofty perch]

The guild I joined has pretty regular 170 groups.
We’re just focused on burning to 225 asap for most of the node slots, two more symbols, etc. and nothing else we can touch even comes close to 194.

From what has been compiled so far, assuming equal parties, 194 outperforms everything until AF320+.

A lot of people just still working under old numbers, so harder to find dedicated perma groups for 194, and the pubs are, well, pubs. Some of them appear to have, quite literally, 0% pexp somehow.

[frank hemlock]

that graph you shared

is wrong

the guy is using the single mob exp

but single mob exp =/= mob exp rate in a map

sf194 doesnt come close to AF270 in 220+

I already tested it

[lofty perch]

I know.
I am talking about what we’ve directly put together from people actually farming stuff for durations.

194 isn’t AS far ahead of 170 as that graph would indicate, because spawn rates are different, but it’s still pulling ahead by roughly 35% per time.

[frank hemlock]

all im saying is, even if sf194 gives a little bit more exp, farmign nodestones passively if you havent maxed your nodes + main vskill already is a variable to consider

if you whel and buy nodestones only then sure yea sf194 for exp until 220 is good

the things you do in this game really varies based on how much resources you have/willing to put in haha

just want you to be aware of that, that's all

[lofty perch]

Yeah, therein lies the rub. 😉

I certainly didn’t get this far in two months for free.

I can buy nodes. Exp, not so much (other than AB, tickets and rare things like the mag pots).

Admittedly though, NA Scania’s node prices are awful compared to what I have heard from other servers.
They have 3-4m per.
We still 7-9m, depending upon the day.

[frank hemlock]

damn

my server is 3m

hahaha

even then i find it farming at AF170 is worth it more

gives 8m/hr vs 6m/hr in sf194 for me

AND gives me more nodestones passively

is a no brainer

whatmore when youy say 7-9m nodestones each

you can do the calc haha

not worth

heck you guys mihght even wanna try AF160 now

the nodestones not that good like in AF170 but still get some every session for me

if you get min 1 nodestone is already like farming one extra hour for free

on average is like 2-3 in AF160 a 300 min block and 3-5 for me in AF170

"We still 7-9m, depending upon the day. " this alone tells me dont farm in sf194 haha ngl

if you get 3 nodestone passively every day thats 21 m saved

[lofty perch]

Oh yeah, from the income side of things, 194 is flat out not great.

Not having mag pets does make node drops an even bigger dice roll for me, since there’s obviously no assurance I’ll get them even when they do drop.

I farmed Arma’s for two weeks straight before I had the SF to come here.
In two weeks, I picked exactly five nodestones. 😦

[frank hemlock]

haha

yea AF90 is whatever

but AF160-170++ you'll notice them more

while exp is important

node passively is also important

if we're talking abouit progress holistically, farming in AF maps is the way to go

or you can do like

weekdays farm AF maps

weekends 70% HT farm sf194

assuming farming the whole HT period on weekends

I did something like that too

but AB will be your most important resources haha

[lofty perch]

It would actually be a solid idea for me to break it up, but slightly differently.

Because the guys with me are Erel alts (one is a new main, but still not caught up to his original), they have times where they have to do stuff with said mains, while I am perma-ABing my paladin.

Since 194 pubs are often pretty atrocious on the pexp side of things anyway, it could make more sense for me to move to an AF while they’re doing other stuff, instead of 194 pubs.

[frank hemlock]

ahh

yea that sounds like a good plan in your situation

[lofty perch]

Yeah, I believe so.
Just checked since I hadn’t looked in almost two weeks, and my Arcane is up to 260, so more than sufficient for 160.

[fossil yacht]

Oh man wad a morning so much text

For new players, you probably won't last 1year or longer

Just press Necro and move on

With lucky scroll u can get 10% over easily

Don't waste your time believing that going inherit route is the way and you will last until u craft a tradeable m40 with CD emblem. Don't kid yourself you do not have enough time, alts and resources for that.

Few months in you get bored and good bye msm, hops to another game

If you want the safest route to success, just befriend someone with lots of ancient crystal stones get him or her to sell you at cheaper price and all you need is to farm mesos eternally until you can buy it

[lofty perch]

Decided to jump over to AF160 for a bit while my party are on their mains for a while.

First thing I noticed: dear god the touch damage is low for me. I’ve gotten used to 29-31k in 194. It’s barely 11k in here. XD

[fossil yacht]

What I would suggest newcomers to the game is to make 1 erel and 3 to 5 other jobs to farm mesos via rotation ab basis. Once you get them all to sf160 at least you can start the chaos daily dungeon farming sprint.

The first half of the year is very dry, farm mesos and do dailies over and over again. Join expeditions and chaos expeditions. For von Leon hilla Magnus just quick join or look out for megaphones for free carries

If you are in Asia 2 scania, tons of carry runs over the clock

Join a guild or a farming group to leech CRA first

That's what I did initially and eventually got me to bossing stage quicker

Buying growth packages to sell off the Root abyss token items helped me to get mesos kick start

If you aren't looking to buy any micro transactions then you can keep the tokens for self use

It's all about discipline to set alarms to farm religiously

I hope everyone pass their Necro attempts! I got 2 this quarter, more to come huat all!

[lofty perch]

I almost feel bad for the newbies that come in after this burning ends.
Sure, there will be more, but this Erel jump seems unprecedented in what it can do for a day one player.
The fact that he’s a solid farmer is just a bonus.

[steel smelt]

Im actually getting pretty pumped working on my 3rd level 200 char, doing the AR quests atm on it

[dull marten]

Should I press this skill twice? Or no

[upbeat ember]

i never pressed it twice

i didn't bother at all

[frank hemlock]

huat ah

[fossil yacht]

Hello hahahaha

[dull marten]

HII

[fossil yacht]

I just do a 1213 ez

[fossil yacht]

Carry me lotus

[dull marten]

I’m on a break rn

[fossil yacht]

I make an early lotus run u carry

[dull marten]

LOL

U let my DW join? 22m MDC

Actually erel is quite interesting but it’s not funded yet

[fossil yacht]

Erel is just simple

It's almost like Pala n hero

Press 1 button

U can just preset all in 1 button press n hold

Ez

I waiting to xfer my spare Necro n abso stuff to put on him

Put in other char farm cra tokens first then do 5% exalt

No more 30% exalts

5% ftw

[upbeat ember]

hold down one button

thats it

the same as dw pala dk hero

but erel farming is the best

this class be hitting even corners you never knew existed

[ornate basin]

I'm a newbie, just reached level 200, let me ask, does the order of the 3 skills of the boost node have any effect? Or just need to find a node with exactly those 3 skills?

[upbeat ember]

just find those 3

you can mix and match them

don't have to be exactly in order just as long as the first skill is a different one

[ornate basin]

thanks

[upbeat ember]

example

[ornate basin]

thanks, in Hyper Passives, i choose 12358, Is the damage much worse than your 12369?

[upbeat ember]

go 12369 because you will get extra 20% final damage

there are 3 hyper passive builds but 12369 is the safest

[ornate basin]

oke

[quasi spindle]

This class is not good for AB survivability. I don’t know why I keep dying, I have a mythic outfit I shouldn’t be dying

[quasi spindle]

DW is not a 1 button class tho.. more like 2 button lol

iFrame management on DW is a bit tricky

[steel smelt]

Take off the teleport skill.

Erel op at AB

[quasi spindle]

Don’t need that for AB?

[steel smelt]

The teleport skill kills you in ab

Cause its cooldown like 3 seconds

And it teleports into mobs

🤷‍♂️

[fossil yacht]

no issue in 194 ez

[dull marten]

wuttttt

its pretty straightforward ngl

[quasi spindle]

How tho

You have solar eclipse, which you have to basically time or you lose DPS

And that’s just 3s iFrame

Then there’s 1.5 every 30 seconds with the 170 dash

Nothing else besides that

[upbeat ember]

same

i lowkey giving up already

i invest so much but this fella drink hp pot like crazy

i already take off the tele skill

[upbeat ember]

no need time

auto explode after timer runs out, it says in the description right?

[quasi spindle]

Auto off won’t give you iFrame

[upbeat ember]

ohhhhhh

yayaya

need to jump up and press

why jump idk lol

[quasi spindle]

Yeah lmao even with the mythic 40 weapon which is crazy, it should be demolishing the map

[upbeat ember]

i am demolishing the map

but i still drink hp potion like crazy

at this point im almost giving up already

can't even overnight 144

full legend maxed, all proper flame scale exp

[cyan terrace]

I think you’re doing something wrong then.. I have absolutely no issues surviving

[upbeat ember]

i already had a discussion in #msm-general we figured it out

[thin swan]

wa toh bro

[steel smelt]

the touch teleport skill - "charge of fionn" is what is most likely killing your erel in those maps. Don't use it.

It's really only useful for bossing and nothing more than that

[steel smelt]

If you're struggling in SF 144/Arcane maps there might be an issue overall with your skillsets/nodes/or hyperstats potentially. The gear given on Erel is more than sufficient enough and full legendaries should be way overkill for sf144 on Erel. Erel has technically 3 iframes and full mob kill with its auto attacks, and with the Mythic Erel weapon supplied by Nexon you shouldn't have any issue killing mobs.

[quasi spindle]

Same

[fossil yacht]

lol

[upbeat ember]

i already pivot

🫡

its been fun

[dull marten]

no need to jump

after eclipse ends u just cant dash or the iframe doesnt work so just walk away from whatever u wanna iframe

[pliant fossil]

what was the conclusion?

[frank hemlock]

sf144 is bait , go to sf147, especially with your non mythic armors

idk why people are obsessed with sf144

sf147 only loses out on meso slightly but much significantly consistent with less death and more exp

you need full S yellow jewels for knockback res and you need good kill rates by the party in the map, which if you play with randos is really difficult for undergeared characters

I only ever park sf144 if the c haracter has decent nodes, vskills, mythic30 outfit+hat + weapon min, S rank yellow jewels and if i still cant do AF maps because at that point post200 AF maps are just better unless its an alt that I don't care about progressing post 200

like only built for Legion purpose but still somewhat decently built

[frank hemlock]

try sf147 1st, it doesn't matter to which jobs you pivot (besides those broken ones) because sf144 is just actually not a low fund alt friendly farming map; from my understanding you haven't chose a proper main yet, so maining Erel now is legit the most sensible choice given the free Mythic40 CD emblem weapon

[ornate sequoia]

whats erel skill node priority?

[steel smelt]

.

just dont use charge of fionn in auto battles as it consumes potions heavily

[barren tusk]

my casual self just got to 200 with my Erel

node time

[barren tusk]

Poor so I'm just rolling with this for now

[lofty perch]

Gotta start somewhere.
Any v-skills better than no v-skills.

[sudden locust]

I’m loving Erel

Everyone is def right though. This character sucks down some HP pots. But i’m finding the meso/hr in AF90 to be keeping me afloat

[random snow]

i use the HP node.. it saves a lot of pots.

[quasi spindle]

What hp node

[steel smelt]

Its a special node but the reason why you're draining HP pots is that you're using the teleport skill probably

[hasty tide]

is this the best hyper passive for erel?

[upbeat ember]

Yes

[barren tusk]

right now I'm worried I won't make the mesos to finish the exalts in time, but I do have plenty of time. Just gotta make sure I earn the hilla solo one before it's too late

[boreal tiger]

Just buy full buffs for it.

[hasty tide]

theres 32 days left....

[hasty tide]

full buff?

[lofty perch]

You can get 30-50% Phys Dmg, Phys Atk, Crit Dmg, Crit Chance, etc. food buffs from various places in the content shops for their respective currencies.
These can be HUGE in making early solo boss runs a roflstomp instead of a struggle. Since your multipliers are just gonna be lower than a stronger character, these food buffs have an outsized impact on your damage output.

Random example, I have a base Phys Dmg of ~140% in my current boss setup. So this is basically a 2.4x multiplier. Adding 50% to this is actually only a 20.888…% increase for me.
If you have, say 70%, that’s a 1.7x multiplier, the 50% food buff is a 35.294% increase for you.

[barren tusk]

I usually have a decent collection of boss buffs from monster collection runs. Carrot Juice, Baby Chick Cookie, Candy Basket, but I suppose the buyable ones are even better.

[hasty tide]

dont think i will get so much boss.dmg so early XD

[lofty perch]

If you really need to clutch it before you run out of time, there’s always this from Kerning Tower too.
Only 1 per month though, so make it count.

[hasty tide]

but ehh....does it disappear after u die?

[lofty perch]

Nah. Buff items don’t disappear on death, only cast buffs, etc.
I died I have no idea how many times in Kerning 50 back when I was struggling with horse and never had to reuse item buffs.

[hasty tide]

Wooo thats good to know

[steel smelt]

@hasty tide what level is your erel if you're worried about exaltion stuff

Cause you can get all the exaltion stones added to your weapon for free i believe

O woops wrong person sorry !

@barren tusk what level is your erel?

[hasty tide]

Only 178 xD

[steel smelt]

The exaltion stuff is free doesnt cost anything

[lofty perch]

Still costs 50m mesos to actually exalt. Getting the stones for burning is free though.

[barren tusk]

Just got to 201.

And yeah, the stones are free, the cost to exalt is 50m per

a decent chunk of change for me at the moment

[mild crystal]

Tip with the horse on Floor 50 is to watch the horse every time it cast an attack. If you see purple then stop attacking until the DR icon on top of its head goes away

If you’re color blind to purple then you’re SOL

[lofty perch]

Fortunately now, I’m at the point where he just melts before he even has a chance to cast his DR.
Buff, stun, burst, dead.
Fair Trade did more for me than I expected. XD

[mild crystal]

That is true, can’t DR if it’s dead

[hollow canopy]

The 50m a pop is lethal XD. I can barely scrounge up the tiny bit of meso required to rng my way to SF144 let alone the 50m pops for my exalt

Bout to go find a corner to beg for meso on lol

[barren tusk]

oh yeah I should climb kerning tower, keep on forgetting to do that.

[lofty perch]

Make sure you have alts to plug into the slots before you do, and try to claim the mail on them every few floors, unless they’re much higher level.

[barren tusk]

does the exp not properly get added if they level up mid-claiming? It seemed to work just fine last month.

oh, cause then if they were higher level it would be more exp...

I get it.

it's mostly higher level chars that will be in, at least. A few stragglers.

[lofty perch]

It’s just that the exp they get per floor is scaled to their CURRENT level.

The reason I said don’t worry about it as much on higher level characters (190+) is they require far more floors to get a single level.

My 192 got a bit over 1.5 level from 59 floors.
My babby 140s however, it was a level every 7-8 floors.

[barren tusk]

yeah it's definitely a big jump. I really like how they updated it.

[lofty perch]

Absolutely.
Between that and the changes to daily hunt/quest exp, pushing multiple legion alts at a time has never been more efficient.

[next token]

Hello, I just reached lvl 200 for Erel, but I am still a beginner in this game and this is my first character, please recommend a skill node for me to prioritize

[plain patrol]

Use tier 9 pots

[quasi spindle]

That reduced meso gain by like half then

[unreal osprey]

Use charge, but max boost nodes for it

[steel smelt]

i dont have issues surviving, people were saying erel dies quick or takes to much damage its because charge of fionn makes you take unnessecary touch damage from mobs.

No reason to use it when ABing

[plain patrol]

The ab technically makes you walk into monsters before you use a skill... i dont know what they are smoking

[steel smelt]

well using charge of fionn makes it just as bad

cause the cooldown is 3seconds

so every 3seconds you're going to take damage

if you can avoid as much damage it enables to you to make more $

due to savings on potion consumption

plus erel can have 4 iframes so that's also pretty good

thats what i use for ABs

[plain patrol]

Oh this is what i do

[plain patrol]

Ab seems to fare worse by itself anyway LOL

[steel smelt]

That's why I focused iframes and removing charge of fionn

at least those help reduce the cost of potions, it slightly has savings

I use about 600 9.0 pots a day between edge of space and AF90 with crappy exp armor

[fossil yacht]

idk i just buy like 6-8k v9 pots

leave it there

refills when low lol

i think generally map clears fast so it doesnt cost as many

[steel smelt]

I only buy like 3k v9s and that lasts me for a few days

[plain patrol]

I think i use about 7k pots a day in af90

[steel smelt]

I don't 24/7 ab anymore on my Erel

[plain patrol]

Oh

[steel smelt]

i don't feel as though the investment from USD to AB is worth it for me

as it was straining the rest of my account's progression

[fossil yacht]

same

[plain patrol]

True

[wraith crag]

my erel is lvl 188 rn, is it possible to hit 200 before the tera burning event is over?

[lofty perch]

I went 0-201 in less than 24 hours even without prebuilt gear, so yes.

[wraith crag]

dang any advice?

[lofty perch]

Just keep ABing the highest SF you can and make sure you’re wiping all dailies, hunts, etc. especially Edge of Space for the full hour each day.

If you get in a bind and want to save a bunch of time, the $30 new growth+ event thing has multiple +1 level potions in it.
Some only work sub-190 (so only one of these would give you an assured bump from your current spot since you’d end up 191), and one works all the way to 200. Would obviously want to use the last one at 197 to go right to 200.
Then the potion in the Erel event chest for hitting 200 will take you right to 201, since burning ends at 200.

[wraith crag]

yeah this is just an alt so I didn't want to buy that premium growth even, but I have been ab at sf144 along with dailies and EOS

The hard grind will be from 194-197 and 197-200

[lofty perch]

In that case, you may or may not make it. 144 and 147 are relatively bad xp/hour.

Which server are you on?

[wraith crag]

NA Scania

[lofty perch]

Dmed

[frank hemlock]

change to sf147

it gives way more exp than sf144 if you are really focusing on exp

your mistake was AB-ing in sf144 instead of sf147

it has about 50% more exp

at level 188 , get to 191 and then use the growth potion you get from the level up so it gives you almost a full level (hope you havent used it yet)

then with some dailies you'll jump to 194

if you still have a potion from the previous code, you should use it at level197 to get to 200 instantly

but even if you don't have it, 194 and 197 is doable at sf147 + EoS + dailies in 1 week

you just need to hit level 194 ASAP

I tried this on my alt where I didn't use the growth potion at 197 just to see how long it takes from 194 to 197 and to 200 at sf147

+dailies+daily hunt+EoS+monster park

the potion with gold leaf also helps

just checked, we have 10 days left, that's more than enough

make sure to save up the EoS timer they give from leveling up at 190+ and 195+ and save your exp coupons for those

I remember you can farm in EoS for like 6 hours straight or something at 197, so stack up exp + the EoS stones for the EoS exp buffs

[hasty tide]

What event are we doing?

[frank hemlock]

huh

wym

he's asking about Erel's tera burn

[hasty tide]

Ohh 10 days left? So fast?

[fossil yacht]

u slow

not the thing fast

first hour already ppl 201

first week 201 most ppl done

two weeks i up 4 x erel 201

[hasty tide]

I meant to say. The event ending so fast. Didnt even notice that it left 10 days.

[fossil yacht]

Ya that's exactly what I meant

People don't realize how fast the days past by

Should plan and execute the plan for leveling earlier

So that you won't be short of time

Or mayb if you're just saying it went by so fast but you ain't affected by it due to other factors then okay haha

[frank hemlock]

Bonic the Wise has spoken

[next token]

why is my skill destruction of roan so short? what's wrong?

[frank hemlock]

you need to hold it

[next token]

Ohh okay i try

[next token]

Thanks solved

[hasty tide]

WAITTTT U CAN HOLD IT?!?!?

Wait hold what?

[plain patrol]

How is that even possible

[plain patrol]

It took me 3 weeks i think

[plain patrol]

How is that even a thing

[frank hemlock]

they stack up on exp, PEXP, AB and farm in sf194 from the get go , its pretty ezpz if you have the resources

[fossil yacht]

Preparations

With the potions and $ swiping

King in a2s was leveling with almost 3m pexp per mobs killed

That is why he leveled so super fast since he was in sf194 from the start with cutting equipment

Full pen set

350% exp and 5x pexp hyper 25lvls, the pexp ring and legion badge and pexp buff items

It's not hard to reach 191 to 194 in 1hour

Then eat the potions 201

Easy

[plain patrol]

Oh i struggled in sf 147

And i guess the only exp i use are the rings

[dire oyster]

press and hld the skill, it lasts for 30 repeat count
just hold it until you don't see the sentinel anymore

[hasty tide]

Wait what level skill?

[dire oyster]

im talking about erel V3 destruction of roan

[boreal tiger]

what lvl is arcane better than sf194 T.T

[fossil yacht]

af510 and above

because i can get 2.5-2.9m on sf194

on 350% exp %

the only way to go higher than that is af510 which will net about 3.5m-4m+ depending on pexp

[quasi spindle]

That’s nuts

Meaning level 230?

[fossil yacht]

becos on a normal pub party af510 gives me at best 3m

3.1-3.2 on rare instances

but with a proper pexp pt

u can get way higher

[fossil yacht]

ya

223.2% im getting 2.1m from pexp

in sf194

thats why i said before, with proper planning

1hr 201 ez

either u find 5 friends, or use 5 other char to do it with your new char

must be pexp decked characters

[steel smelt]

There are exp pots you can also buy from the content shops if that helps speed things up a bit. @plain patrol

I ran all dailies, content, SF as high as you can and you can push levels using the exp pots from content shops

[lofty perch]

On a per kill basis, yeah.
But per time, 194 starts to fade out in comparison around 270, and had notably lost by 380.
This obviously assumes map clearing and equivalent party, because the main xp advantage in those is that the spawn density and respawns are just better in the AF maps.

I try to avoid judging anything off of pub runs now, just because dear god, I’d often be dropping 2+m non-HT lines in 194, while half of the party isn’t even breaking 1.1m.

[fossil yacht]

That's the whole reason why I built my own pexp party when everyone was telling me to focus on 1, I believe in making my own 6 men hot time party with a few extra characters to rotate in and out

Without the need to rely on others

Because eventually single solo boss rewards will be on par with multi bossing rewards

So having more char to fund ownself is always better than a single char

[lofty perch]

That’s absolutely fair.
I run mobile and just can’t be arsed to deal with the account flipping or multiple devices.

If I were emulating on PC though, totally different story. XD

[fossil yacht]

I'm doing everything haha

progression is like a snail if you only play 1 char

have to concurrent progress/farm

so that the funds can be channelled to 1 char every milestone

most of the lower geared char have lotus team to farm crystals to sell for $$ and primals

but of course it is also thanks to the other 9pax that contributed

[quasi spindle]

Too much effort for game.. how do you have enough time for IRL stuff

[lament bison]

How to solo hard Von Leon and Normal Hilda for burning weapon event?

Can give me guid regarding this

Above is the buff that I have

[grizzled pawn]

Hard Von Leon still relatively easy. Just takes patience.

I haven't done Hilla, I plan to stack food buffs for that.

Show V Matrix

[lament bison]

I dont know how to use that... Any guide on v matric?

This

Just started playing maple strong M

[naive prism]

can I also ask which 5th job skill should I max first?

[grizzled pawn]

#bot-commands message
Here’s an infographic

It looks like you have your V1 to V4, which are all necessary for your burst. Good job on that

@lament bison this would be the burst rotation. AKA slamming the boss with all your high damage skills. After that you'll just cruise with the spammable skills until the burst is off cooldown

[grizzled pawn]

I think V3. Get a second opinion.

[fossil yacht]

yes i do

i still have time to go out drink, hang out with friends, go cny visiting

visit other people's house

lolol

its all about time management haha

[hasty tide]

U said that but u play maplestory….😂

[quasi spindle]

I deserve this 😂

[pallid plaza]

Wow u already have 3 perfect trio

I try to find the perfect trio but msm not give yet 🥲

[fossil yacht]

i hang out with msm peeps as well lol

we hang out at places to drink few times in a quarter?

[plain patrol]

What is a perfect trio

Concept

[pallid plaza]

This perfect trio

[plain patrol]

Are they not the same things

[pallid plaza]

What do you mean it's the same thing?

[plain patrol]

Chulain of roan, spear of lugh, fury of roan

Pr what am i missing here

[pallid plaza]

Some people say there are two Perfect Trio of the same type

If you want to know more you can see old comments

[plain patrol]

Oh!!

[boreal tiger]

You need 2 sets of the same trio to max out. But you can’t have the exact same base on your trios.

[plain patrol]

Same base? Too complicated my brain is melting

[lofty perch]

The skill on the bottom left of the trio determines its base. You can only equip one boost with the same skill in that position.

So if you have a trio with say Spear in that spot, you’d need your other one to have either Fury or Piercing in that spot.

As you will notice, this also determined which other junk boost nodes can be used to upgrade your perfect. Has to be the same skill there, but what the other two are is irrelevant.

[plain patrol]

Oh!

[hasty tide]

What nodes should erel use?

[mild crystal]

Scroll up

[hasty tide]

So this is the best one?

[storm temple]

💀 ur funny af

[hasty tide]

Had to make sure xD

[dreamy flower]

As a starter what secondary weapon should I aim to get on the trade shop?

[graceful stone]

Usually Epic rank (not the Longinus spear from Sharenian Culvert). Unique ranks are very affordable now, if you are a veteran. You can settle for a clean one, or you can get an exp emblem one (of any class to turn into Longinus). Eventually, you might get a legendary rank one for either bossing (Physical Damage emblem) or for mobbing (Exp). If you’re whaling really hard, mythic rank for the def ignore.

[sudden locust]

reeeee

[fickle willow]

Which souls should I use on Erel? New player here. Using growth set gear.

[unreal osprey]

Just throw exp souls

Weapon potent for PA or the ones that give hp

[wooden coral]

hi. which v skill to max out 1st for erel? have those exp node to use

[frank hemlock]

Your main burst ofcz

Check pinned message

[south zenith]

hi, how do I know when my eternal light procd?

[plucky trellis]

Man struggling to clear hilla for the last stone

I guess I need to upgrade my nodes?

Cant farm at af30

[mild crystal]

Open all the free nodes from the event, rewards, etc

[frank hemlock]

use crit rate tangyoon + carrot juice + fever + Lethal Strike 4 node

attack until your proc LS4 and then open buffs + burst

yall are just not critting

~200% ish CD is pretty decent

[dire hull]

What stats should I focus on?

[unreal osprey]

Just buy buffs ?

[unreal osprey]

You can’t really see in boss if you turn off skill visibility. But usually it’s the sentinel in the sky activating the skill

[dire hull]

Do we have to solo the bosses?

[unreal osprey]

Yes only the solo mode counts for the item burning

[south zenith]

sick thanks

[empty swift]

Anyone else go through health potions like crazy ?

[pliant mountain]

I got mythic armor + leg glove + 7 boss set and yet i still do negative potion in sf144 i wonder why everyone considers him a easy/worth investing farming char

[wintry ermine]

is there any eq guide?

[frank hemlock]

dont farm sf144

farm sf147

sf144 is bait for new players

sf144 mobs has stacking magic damage

sf147 golems only have touch damage and they dont stack

you have iframe when touched

sf144 is only for post 200 alts that have strong gear + vskills decent to keep full map clear in a good party to get good rates

if it's your main from just starting, put Erel in Af maps is better but you'll need to farm up mesos 1st to get your AF symbols up to AF140 for AF90 maps (+50% requirement from map to get optimal stat boost)

Assuming you hit the optimal gear for the map, Erel map clears with Vskills crazy good as a farmer from my experience

another reason is because with the burning item event, they give you a free CD emblem jaihin weapon Mythic40

which is insane for a new player

nah read Justmeasures updated pinned guide

Milos guide unfortunately is outdated o7

only difference I would say is aim for sf147 instead of 144

[dire oyster]

Aight

[frank hemlock]

in my experience only phantom and shadower can farm sf144 with low gear

and pre 200

[pliant mountain]

I thought having a mythic and a leg piece with a maxed out cd emblemed mythic weap is considered hella strong gear for a sf144 farm char comparing to other classes that would survive sf144 with pure unique equips and a leg weap

[frank hemlock]

are you level 200+

or no

and is your Mythic outfit level30?

imo bare min to farm sf144 is post 200 with vskills, nodes , ropelift, Mythic30 outfit hat gloves

depending on squishier classes, you can still die with that setup or burn potions

best is with CRA top bottom but at that point might as well farm Sf158

[pliant mountain]

Yhh im lv 200+ with v skills and ropelift but didnt maxed out mythic outfit yet since i believed its more than enough and still was hit with the neg potion lol which is hella dissapointing

[frank hemlock]

you know if your Mythic outfit is not levelled its worse than a Unique right?

when it resets back to level 1

if this is your main character for now, you should be farming AF maps honestly

you need exp, AF symbols, maybe some node drops

you dont want to be farming sf144/147 forever

there are some insane AF maps but you'll need levels and exp to get there

[pliant mountain]

Not my main hahaha just a sf144 mule thats why i didnt wanna invest too much, also my mythic was lvled a bit to rival leg so yhh just wanna invest bare minimum and yet this isnt enough

[frank hemlock]

then just put it in sf147

in cold time

the meso rate is not that amazing but you wont go giga negative potion

[wintry ermine]

sorry to ask again. is there any guide on BiS equipment?

[frank hemlock]

only BiS you need to know is Muspell hat + Agares/Bloody gloves which give CDmg stats

others are preference

for boss commander accessories BiS you can check in #bot-commands

[wintry ermine]

okey sir. thanks alot.

[frank hemlock]

please go to the MSM subreddit and read the pinned guide by Justmeasures

the latest one

very good starting point for newbies

[barren tusk]

Hilla solo done, getting the crit rate food from Tangyoon was a good idea

[frank hemlock]

so now you know why Necro weapon is so important +100% crit rate

esp at higher bosses that has crit res

you need 170% crit rate to do good damage

[barren tusk]

So different from real Maple. 😔

I'm looking forward to eventually getting enough stones to refine the free weapon.

[frank hemlock]

yes in PC Maple crit rate 100 is easy

and bosses have no crit res

but here they made it to be the premium feature

with Necro weapons

haha

gacha things

[pliant mountain]

Im sorry but what made u think a fully lvled unique is better than an unleveled mythic, i just checked my lv9 mythic and its wayyyy stronger than a fully lvled unique (this is not my erel tho just my sf158 mule) do these stats doesnt truly reflect the affect stats on char? Or is there sth idk about

[frank hemlock]

dude it's just a figure of speech, just level your Mythic to 30 1st

[pliant mountain]

I was truly curious hahahha alr

[frank hemlock]

yes

also I tried farming with my Erel in sf144 with Mythic weapon + outfit only

sure it wont be potion positive

but you still make mesos

you need to change your mindset to making meso =/= going potion positive

as long as you make more mesos than what you spent for potions is good

and as I mentioned before, not many classes can go potion positive at their corresponding level sf or af maps

but sf144 really depends on your whole party to make it good

so find level 200+ parties only

[thin swan]

my Erel only has event equips and burns 1500 v6 pots overnight (7hr) at SF165

4-5 expo set

[frank hemlock]

thats good

I never tried sf165 before

no one is there

only sf168

and damn that map burns pot like crazy lol

[thin swan]

fr bro thats why i go 168 hahah the tough dmg too high in 168

the spike is crazy, from like 5-6k to 20k+ per touch

oh and also idk if this helps anyone but having full S set yellow jewels is very impt...didnt realize that until i tried using a set without the KBK RES for my shadower and he turned from unkillable to being able to die lol

[south zenith]

Oh wait are you supposed to use all KBK res jewel?

[grizzled pawn]

Exp jewel set gives plenty of kbk res

[south zenith]

ah, so 5x exp jewels?

thanks

[quasi spindle]

Yes that’s best

[barren tusk]

free emblem traces from new year sack both hit. my power grows

[plain patrol]

Is it alot

[quasi spindle]

Sick

[plucky wind]

Anyone done Nhilla f2p method before lv 200?

[grizzled pawn]

I wouldn't bother doing it without v skills.
But I've seen others doing it pre-lv200. Be prepared to take a long time

[lament bison]

What does this mean? Do we still use shielding for starforce?

[frank hemlock]

1. Why u asking this here 😂
2. It just plays the star catching minigame for you

[lament bison]

Because I'm noob . Sorry..

[barren tusk]

I ain't seeing no cost discount...

[dire oyster]

your country's time and MSM's server time are 2 different thing

[barren tusk]

No I mean it looks like it's only auto star catching and not a discount.

[dire oyster]

Are we looking at the same thing?

and its still 30 mins from the server's next day

how would you know?

[mild crystal]

It’s the same thing

[barren tusk]

alright, fair enough. These are coming faster and faster seems like.

[unique badger]

What armor set and weapon should I save for erel I have the growth pact mythic stuff atm

Or should I just stick with that until I can afford the high tier items no need to look for a mid tier set

[dire oyster]

The growth pack mythic is actually a trap. Since you can't trade the item, it's only SF15, and it is expensive to fix if you broken it during SF upgrade.
However they are sufficient to provide you survivability all the way till level 200.

So just use them, max level then with powders, and don't upgrade them anymore.

[unique badger]

Easy and what gear set should I buy next?

[dire oyster]

realistically speaking, you should only buy emblem gears off TS if you're talking about improving you gears

maybe check out this guide for a rough idea https://www.reddit.com/r/MapleStoryM/comments/v8aq3w/gear_progression_milestones/?share_id=kCThcr3FBe0ze57KSjPiJ&utm_content=2&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

[unique badger]

Ty

[dire oyster]

take that guide with a bucket of salt though since its kinda outdated

but the rough idea on gear progression stays largely the same

[unique badger]

Yeah this guide is goated thank you

[chilly oyster]

Anyone have recs for what 5th jobs skills to max first? I saw the pinned message about the nodes but wasn’t sure what five nodes I should focus on.

[frank hemlock]

what do you mean

trinodes + main burst V3 (Destruction of Roan)

[chilly oyster]

Like if we only start out with 5 slots, should I focus on those or would getting decent SE or decent SI be higher prio? Right now for bossing I have two Trinodes, destruction of roan, and the other two V skills. But would getting SE or SI to replace with one of them be higher dps?

[dire oyster]

since this is a fresh 200, bulk of your time would be spent Training, a.k.a farming. so i recommend to put your trinodes first. wanna make sure you're able to 1-2hit those mobs for optimum clear.
this would take up 3 slots.

another node that i feel like is necessary would be rope lift, since it also helps with Training mobility. this would take up another slot, although this slot is interchangeable with your V3 burst skill if you're bossing.

The last slot would be down to personal preference. i would put V4 there since it helps to clear the map faster by summoning those tiny sentinels.

[barren tusk]

pushed Erel to the good meso SFs, now I have two characters that can do that. Time to use them to build up money for my Cadena to do the same

[small aspen]

after maxing the two trinodes what skill should we max first

assuming Roan? since that's the our burst

[frank hemlock]

yes

[dire oyster]

I have maxed trinodes and maxed burst V3 25+5. What's next for me?

[frank hemlock]

hyper stats FD, PD, ADI, Necro weapon, long term LSW project (not recommended actually), Emblem armors, Exalt to 40, Inherit40/Necro40 armors, MDC game

@dire oyster

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapleStoryM/comments/1j2acva/simplified_guide_in_progressing_efficiently_new/

[dire oyster]

Saw this last night. Good read. Thanks for your contribution

[frank hemlock]

it's about time I wrote in a proper form instead of malding every day from questions HAHA

[frank hemlock]

your gear seems decent now, you should be trying to Unique pot your weapon so you can Legend pot it if you haven't already

and 3 lines it with Kerning M tower stamp

and assuming you can clear VL/Hilla everyday, you should be hunting for the Commander set

at least Ifia's ring + Hilla's pocket

get a guild to help carry for Hmag for the necklace + pendant if possible

get decent single line unique flames on your mythic gears works too, Cdmg/Pdmg/PAtk scale with exp or hp

scaling exp is better for now since you can just use all those exp necklace/rings for bossing until you get your Commander boss set

You can clear Blockbuster dungeon for Lotus/Damien to get a +300 PA Medal

once you hit 210, level the next AF symbol to level ~14-15 for another +~1500 PA

I guess that's about it that I can suggest from the photo you posted in guild board channel

[dire oyster]

Already did.

[dire oyster]

Just hit this morning

Eh, let me take a screenshot again, bit of a change since then

[frank hemlock]

yea sure

I have some free time I can help abit

doing my dailies on 2nd monitor lol

[dire oyster]

Haven't done the 210 quest to unlock chuchu island yet, gonna do later

[frank hemlock]

I am assuming your PA now should be close to ~20k PA?

[dire oyster]

16k, no buffs

[frank hemlock]

20k PA with decent Crit damage 200++ with maxed Vskill burst, should be able to solo Hmag in one burst or close to it

Since PA is important for you right now while Necro/Inherit weapon, you can invest some flames to get PA

on weapon, secondary, outfit, shoulder

PA to exp or crit dmg

[dire oyster]

Hm aight, will try to aim for that

[frank hemlock]

you can already clear NMag on your own right?

[dire oyster]

Absolutely not

[autumn lynx]

In one burst? 👀

[dire oyster]

Hahaha

[frank hemlock]

assuming you have 150% crit rate, with decent crit damage, yes

if not then 2 rounds

[dire oyster]

That's not a Necro weapon I'm holding

[frank hemlock]

no I mean

while you are working towards either one

ofcz I know thats Mythic40 lol

[dire oyster]

And my CDMG is at 252%

[frank hemlock]

yea thats pretty good

a chestnut + fever will make it 300%

[dire oyster]

Was skimming on AFs, cuz of how expensive they are

Guess I have to invest in them now

[frank hemlock]

yea just level the new 210 AFs

not the 1st one

you just want it at level14~15 each

basically based on my experience playing my alts, you want to get your PA to be 20k ish then you can burst Hmag

get full crit tangyoon + carrot+ fever + Lethal Strike 4

buff then burst

[frank hemlock]

oh yea welcome to mesostory 😂

[dire oyster]

😂

[frank hemlock]

you should also start working on your Link skills now

Pirates, Cygnus, all FD then PD, then CD/BA ones

[dire oyster]

Will try. Luckily 120 within a few days is achievable now. Else I'ma just forget it

[frank hemlock]

oh yea

its pretty good

quest to 20, dungeon to 100

sweep story exploration + 1st dailies + all the dungeons you will hit level 110

then you can just do more dailies and farm at like sf110 or 120 depending on your budget and you'll hit it

[dire oyster]

Sounds good. Will see y'all in a month
Kekw

[frank hemlock]

more like 2 months ngl...not trying to burst your bubbles HAHA

unless you pass a Necro one tap or something

[dire oyster]

[frank hemlock]

hows your hyper stats

[dire oyster]

Scuffed. I spent a lot on exp and buff duration

[frank hemlock]

haha

not recommended but i understand why

then you'll want a fresh page for bossing then

[frank hemlock]

emm....you shouldn't have mixed them in one page... 👀

[dire oyster]

[frank hemlock]

well this should be your training page then

make another one with crystal for purely bossing

yea because otherwise you wont have enough points to make FD PD ADI and MDC

[dire oyster]

Yea, waiting for more hyperstats coupons

[frank hemlock]

for this current page you have, come back to it later

you gotta spend crystals to make a new bossing one and start again for FD/PD/ADI

just next time, make sure to ask people here before doing something like this haha

dont want to make a lot of mistake in this punishing game

[autumn lynx]

I think lots of erels done their hypers that way to finish the mission

[dire oyster]

Ye, did some QuickDraw action with he hyperstats then I clicked on pinned comments

Hahah

[frank hemlock]

yea but shouldnt do it on other than FD PD ADI MDC honestly ...

[frank hemlock]

it's alright, we all gotta learn hahaha

[frank hemlock]

or you can actually just reset the exp and buff item duration ones

think about exp hyper stats later

you don't need it now honestly

[dire oyster]

You can reset selected ones? I thought it's the whole page

[frank hemlock]

yes you can

50 crystal only

but no meso refund

[dire oyster]

Oh damm! Didn't know that

[dire oyster]

Ahh I didn't spend anything on them, used coupon for everything

[frank hemlock]

thats nice haha okay saved

[half igloo]

is Erel able to leech life?

[dire oyster]

from his skills? no

[boreal tiger]

This is unbuffed

Why does my damage feel so weak :/.

[frank hemlock]

Your crit rate is so low

Your 300%Cd won't do anything if you.... don't actually crit

And have you maxed your main trinodes to 60 + V3 ?

10m score with your stats is too low

[boreal tiger]

I have a necro weapon.

[boreal tiger]

Vskills and tri nodes all maxxed. I just didn’t max hypers yet but I feel like my damage is extremely low for my stats.

[boreal tiger]

Oh I wasn’t showing the 10m score I’m showing the 4 mil lines LOL. My bad I wasn’t specific enough. I just used gd to get my lines out there on something with low defence.

[fast zealot]

Your stats are still pretty low

[boreal tiger]

so is 4mil damage ok for my stats that i have? :/

[frank hemlock]

Your PA% and PD% is especially low @boreal tiger

to reliably cap, it should be at 100++% min unbuffed

your BA is also low at 34%

you need to be working on your Link skills/Legion

rule of thumb is 100% BA and 400% CD unbuffed

very high FD at 70%, so focus on PD hyper stats

also, if you have a Necro weapon, your PA should be 30k++

gotta level your AF symbols too

hope this helps

also flames, potentials on your finished exalt40 gears + accessories

[frank hemlock]

also if this is buffed damage at 4m lines then yea you have a stat issue

[graceful stone]

He/She says unbuffed

[frank hemlock]

my DB alt at lower MDC can do 10m lines buffed, with boss rush potion I can cap at 18m

I see 10 on his Immortal dungeon screen

but yea regardless, it's low stats in general

[graceful stone]

That’s his/her normal skill buffs + necro + guild fort bonus (red guild name) etc. The last one is either the event buff or the guild pdmg buff.

[frank hemlock]

okay

[frank hemlock]

if by "ok" you mean correct, then yea, but if you want to not "feel weak", you gotta improve your stats on the points I've listed above haha, good luck

[boreal tiger]

Tyty.

[plain patrol]

You are still doing 10 times my damage so 😂

[dull marten]

just use crit rate buffs and u will feel stronger

[empty swift]

What do yall use for AB skill wheel and presets?

[fast zealot]

Ab and bossing are pretty well the exact same

[dire oyster]

yea, maybe take away V3 and replace with rope lift for AB i guess

[frank hemlock]

Same wheel

V3 is instant map clear every 2 min+

[plucky wind]

A lot of stuffs are trap for new players or casuals

To make money you also need to put in some time

[tranquil sapphire]

Is there anyway to quickly go up to the first message or do i just have to keep scrolling?

[dull marten]

u could always just click the first pinned message and scroll up to the first which is rly fast

[plucky wind]

How you guys kill hilla? I lv 19x, not sure if I need power elixirs

[grizzled pawn]

No need PE

[dull marten]

u could push to 200

and it becomes significnantly easier

[dire oyster]

May not be in time for the item burning event

Iirc I did it level 180+ lv34 weapon

Took me 12 mins or so

[dull marten]

ohh yea

[dire oyster]

Long grind, but still manageable

[old gull]

Hi Qatic, are the trinodes for Erel the following?

A) Spear of Lugh/Call to Sentinel
B) Enhanced Fury of Roan
C) Piercing of Chullain

I should basically have a node with the following?

Node Slot 1: A/B,C
Node Slot 2: B/A,C
Node Slot 3: C/B,A

The first letter representing the “base” of the node

is my understanding right?

[dire oyster]

#1329257176211918888 message

[dire oyster]

Yup you got the idea

[old gull]

🙏🙏🙏thank you

Should I be extracting my boost nodes at lvl 1?

I’m looking to get rope lift

[dire oyster]

if you want a more in depth understanding of nodestones and what to do at what point, check this guide https://www.reddit.com/r/MapleStoryM/comments/154xgca/guide_notes_about_nodes_all_about_nodestones/

[dire oyster]

i extracted only those special nodes at level 1

for non perfect trios i wait to they are maxed to extract. will get you more nodeshards that way

[old gull]

👍👍thanks Qatic, really helpful

[dire oyster]

Be prepared to spend more than 1b on nodestones to max them trinodes and at least your burst V3

At least that's what I spent, buying from TS

[frank hemlock]

Be grateful that it is easy to max Erel's node vs other jobs haha

[plucky wind]

Nvm my 19x best dmg still can't beat norm hilla to half HP with 7min remaining

At least I tried, it is not diff class

They should nerf hilla if they wanna trap newcomers

Because I new so ancient will determine whether I care about their rigging

[dire oyster]

don't give up hope man

just for reference, i managed to solo n hilla with paladin https://discordapp.com/channels/413046906638565395/413046906638565397/1321497803637260299

believed, all the way down to the last second. literally

[plucky wind]

My attk is very low

I only have sf 15 all unique

Except the weapon

$$$$

[dull marten]

u got this!

[old gull]

Hi maplers, I’ve got 4 exalt stone left from the item burning event and it’s expiring in 6days.

Afaik, the cost is 50m, which is 200m. Im short of 150m, should I be going all out with auto battle to get the 150m, is it worth exalting to lv40?

[frank hemlock]

ofcz its worth it

whos going to give u a 100% exalt to 40

try exalting one then you'll know what i mean

[old gull]

man.. I’ve got not clue how to get that 150m

[frank hemlock]

if you dm spending you can buy mesos at the meso market

[old gull]

I’ve been trying to be as f2p as possible

I’ve got an alt; but iffy about transferring meso to my main

[frank hemlock]

alt in same or diff account?

[old gull]

diff acc

[frank hemlock]

then dont

you'll get banned

[old gull]

I’m at sf166, closing to sf168; can’t afford to increase my AF (AF40 rn)

I’ll need to AB 25hours over the next 6days to get 150m

assuming 6m /hr

I don’t have that much AB..

[frank hemlock]

assuming you are going to main Erel

it will be the most worth 150m you ever spent

to make it exalt40

idk how but make it happen

[old gull]

🥲

oh woa I might have enough AB

82 x 10min ; 8.2hr
27 x 30min ; 8.1hr
9 x 1hr ; 9hr

Total 25.3hr

lol

this is gonna be an intense grinding session

@frank hemlock just saw ur convo with Qatic; did you manage to test the diff between sf165 and sf168? In term of meso rates

[dire oyster]

Rates for me is 9mil/hr on 165, but I have mythic HP gears and lv40 weapon and ropelift

Close to 7mil on sf168 with the same items

May differ for you, especially if you're not break even or net positive with potions

[quasi spindle]

Yes it’s worth it

[quasi spindle]

You’re in luck that I am still following this thread, got an idea that’ll save your ash here

If you haven’t done story exploration yet, go ahead and do it and then sweep it on all your level 100+ characters. It should give you about 12m per sweep, if you have even 10 characters you should get 120m easy but since red meso cap is 100m you just need to get the other 50 some other way

[dire oyster]

actual big brain

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-9962083141856335288

[old gull]

you sir, are a beautiful man

I’ve sweeped my other char but will definitely do this, cause i only have total 3 char in my acc

time to get some link skills

[thin swan]

my experience is same as Qatic, SF 165 > SF 168 mesos wise and much easier to survive too since the mobs hit you for like 20k+ at 168

[dire oyster]

hang on a god damn minute, 82 x 10 mins = 8.2 hours?

[normal folio]

Hey Guys, anyone that can point me in the right direction for Erel V-Matrix?

[plain patrol]

The calculator shows 820 minutes so devade by 100 it should be 8.2 yeah

[autumn lynx]

Sounds good to me

[unique badger]

Same

[autumn lynx]

Check the pinned msgs

[frank hemlock]

I never can test sf165 because no party there in my server haha

Just saying based off of @dire oyster 's experience

[unique badger]

Ty

[old gull]

whoops math failed 😅

[old gull]

yea I seldom see parties for sf165 either

[plain patrol]

Even i start nobody joins

[thin swan]

my bucc at SF165, and to top it off he’s pot positive

gear

was already a good farmer pre-200 and became even better post

with max speed bonus from legion + rope lift

[plucky wind]

I can't complete the mission

The stuffs and game design is towards hardcore players

Or just players who are more free

Anyways is there a f2p exalt stone with high chance of success in game?

I not gonna find the same weapon

[plucky wind]

90min only 10 mil meso

[dire oyster]

It's clearly 12.5mil 90min bruh

Just cuz the meso red don't mean you gotta ignore them

#RedMesoLifesMatters

[plucky wind]

Red meso is backup to me so I hardly count it

So I guess wait till I can go sf168

[tranquil sapphire]

How bad is 500k dps for a lvl 130 erel?

[fast zealot]

I don't know if anyone compares DPS at that low of a level... Its DPS is fine

[old gull]

woa that’s really good meso rates

[pallid plaza]

Omg first time try

😆

[plucky wind]

Rng design of the game T.T anyway gratz

[pallid plaza]

Rng? Sry i not understand

😅

[frank hemlock]

uh....is it exalt40 and why you Necroing a non emblem

[pallid plaza]

do i need to emblem first b4 necroing?

[frank hemlock]

gg

[frank hemlock]

the usual way people do it get a correct emblemed armor 1st CD/BA, exalt40, refine then Necro

Is the glove exalt40 @pallid plaza

[plain patrol]

Thats nice exp

[quasi spindle]

Grats

[pallid plaza]

Nah is ok because to get item lv 40 take time and mesos if u are rich can lah but for me so hard to get 1 item lv 40

[frank hemlock]

that's not the point

if you dont do it that way then you'll just have to redo in the future

this is a marathon

there's a reason why we write guides and telling people how do to things

a level 30 clean Necro is useless for long term armor

cut it for 200 crystals and sell it for mesos, you'll progress much more than using this glove

[pallid plaza]

If i sell how much people buying?

[frank hemlock]

depends on your server

clean Necro is ~8-9b in mine

[pallid plaza]

My server is asia 2

[frank hemlock]

You have Archon conquerer , how do you not know this? Or am I being trolled

😂

[pallid plaza]

Heeheh

I don't know

Mybe

[half igloo]

how is Erel so far?

[wintry ermine]

so far so good. still grinding at lvl 191 😂😂
missed the erel burning event is so pain. hahahaaa

[pliant fossil]

did u at least get the weapon?

[old gull]

yaaasss managed to exalt 40 in time, but I’m too poor on meso and powder to level it lol

[dire oyster]

great stuff! powders will come slowly, don't worry about it. 2-3weeks of farming ED and you'll get there

if you're in a rush, you can also level up weapons on your alts, then transfer to main, use those weapons as fodder to level up

[barren tusk]

So it works like that, does it? Huh, cool.

[frank hemlock]

Grats

[plucky wind]

My char is still new so I didn't killed hilla

Doesn't hurt me, Nexon may design good games but the hilla part is meh

Lv 40 weapon is needed for higher sf and af maps, so Nexon is telling me to chill since I m not funding any alt

Expanding nodes slot need meso my fav part

[dire oyster]

unlocked with levels too

[lament bison]

Can I still upgrade my trinode ? Or you leave it and upgrade my skill node? It already reach more than Lvl 60

[grizzled pawn]

Start hunting for perfect trios. These two maxed with let you hit lv60
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1329257176211918888/1329296887886381066/image.png?ex=67d64ab3&is=67d4f933&hm=f30b791c0c7dc3087c249b6949c7dc69e9921f6bba1c9c7982617f3ebee3df1e&

It will allow you to drop one trinode & free up one slot

[lament bison]

Ok noted

I will just leave it as it is for now.. thank..

[plucky wind]

How is erel mobbing and farming in sf 165 vs 158? My rng is bad so I not going for 168 on top of high touch dmg

[dire oyster]

i mentioned previously that im getting 9m+/hr on SF165, while getting around 7.2m+/hr on SF158

your results may vary, i have maxed trinodes and ropelift

i've since moved on to AF120, getting around 8m/hr but having 3-4x the exp of sf165

[plucky wind]

The gears you used are all bossing and mythics?

I still using exp gears and uniques.

No wonder I face the dmg and sf/meso issue

[dire oyster]

since AF don't look at SF levels, i've replaced my accessories with EXP accs

[plucky wind]

Your weapon is still mythic or ancient already?

[dire oyster]

still mythic, not even refined

[plucky wind]

I also need adjust my HP

[plain patrol]

Omg, save the star force liberation please

Wow thats alot of sf & af

[tranquil sapphire]

Hyper stats should i just upgrade them in order of whats recommend by the game? (Final dmg-addtional skill dmg-phy dmg increase -crit dmg-max dmg increase)

[graceful stone]

Not crit dmg, possibly boss attack when you’ve maxed all the others

[tranquil sapphire]

Should i do them one at a time or spread it out? I.e max final dmg til 25, then max add dmg until 25 etc.

[grizzled pawn]

Personally I spread evenly. Only when there’s discount ticket

[plucky wind]

Dang when getting started out, still cannot use the discount arcane force coupon as the cost for enh arcane is 18mil

What's the max arcane level for growth for vanishing journey without enhancing? Idw to overshoot

[frank hemlock]

You cant overshoot

it will literally tell you it hit maximum level

[arctic lagoon]

Should I be leveling this? New level 200. Read the nodestone guide but still dont know what im doing

[dire oyster]

farm meso, buy nodestones in TS, open said nodestones, rank up nodes based on pinned perfect trios,
rankup all the other nodes as well, extract non-perfect trio nodes **ONLY **at level 25

perfect trios https://discordapp.com/channels/413046906638565395/1329257176211918888/1329296887974727762

[plucky wind]

How about nodes that last for few days only and not lv 3 even

[dire oyster]

you mean special nodes?

[plucky wind]

Yup

[dire oyster]

extract special node as is