Hoyoung

[toxic quest]

[vital swan]

too much effort to reroll nodes

i'll just stay with ground shatter

else i would just reroll and quit hoyoung

redo nodes i might as well play the new incoming shine class

[rare pier]

I wouldnt reroll them anways

its not worth it atm. I just did a full 2 mins to see where we are now that Ive tried to optimize line counts and its a measly 12K lines. 20% less than almost every other class

[vital swan]

[jovial wing]

Do you have all v skills maxed?

[rare pier]

No not yet

[jovial wing]

Then the 12k doesn't really say anything yet

Since every single other record is based on max lvl v skills

[rare pier]

I haven’t seen any records above 12K

Also only v1 and v4 will change our lines in a 2 min fight

[jovial wing]

Nobody maxed V skills on hoyoung yet I think

Not worth the reroll

But ye it's easy to underestimate line gain from levels on v skills

[rare pier]

Yeah I just don’t see how maxing them will increase our lines by over 20%

[jovial wing]

Time will tell

[toxic quest]

It’s gotta be at least 14k I feel like

[twilit goblet]

Henyooo. Whats the best emblem for Hoyoung? Would it be BA or CD?

Or even PA? XD

[wild granite]

Ba/cd

[twilit goblet]

Aighttt thanks

[rare pier]

It’s never PA or MA

[vital swan]

if u can hit cap, it doesnt matter the emblem

money matters

u can wear full absolab PA also can hit 50m mdc

[ashen notch]

is hoyoung a good node farmer?

don’t want to fund too too much but interested in making a node farmer

[warm oak]

For me, yes

[vital swan]

For me i dont find him that great in farming overall

since my db farms better when less geareed

my db have super positive potions, while on hoyoung my hp potions are negative

they both have around the same node drop counts

[south oasis]

Is stone tremor useless offensively?

Or its just better to use it as a defensive repositioning skill

[jovial wing]

It's effectively a teleport so good for lotus

[south oasis]

Outside of lotus, should u include stone tremor in the macro mentioned above for more lines of dmg?

[jovial wing]

Is there anybody with maxed V skills yet?

[vital swan]

im sure there are but they arent on this discord

[south oasis]

V1, skill node lv25 + skill slot lv5

V2, skill node lv25 + skill slot lv5

V3, skill node lv25 + skill slot lv5

[south oasis]

V4, skill node lv25 + skill slot lv5

[south oasis]

If u need me to test any specific rotations can let me know what to do as im not very technical when it comes to these testing kinda things

[fiery basin]

Which v1-4 should you prioritize first?

[south oasis]

Tiger and clone does the most amount of lines as far as i know

[rare pier]

I meant cudge, tremor, fan gale

however until you boost tremor its probably not worth using

so until you can run 4 tri nodes

[rare pier]

you should cast last resort, grandis, wrath of gods, tiger, three paths, and then clone rampage

while this burst is up you should use a macro for cudgel and Fan gale

then macro for cudgel tremor fan gale

Tris should be clone, butterfly fan gale

and the second would be humanity, earth, and talisman ghost

if they change the line counts we would change all this but at current state this is the best, at the moment scroll vortex is useless, it gives basically no lines. its 2 lines per second. Also there is no room to boost it with how they currently have our rotation

[rare pier]

in terms of boosting this is a tough decision. clone is your best V skill

however until you get tiger and wrath of gods to level 30 you are missing out on a ton of lines for any boss fights that lasts over 2 mins

Id say clone first if your not doing lotus and above

if your doing lotus and above id focus tiger and wrath of gods equally with 5 levels at a time to lower their CD

Also of note - for lotus you cant use fan gale in p1

you actually move upward with this skill and it will kill you with the laser - ground shatter is just an after image and it look slike you will hit the laser but you dont

I need to test this but its possibe that once you can fit all 4 tri nodes that itll be better regardless to use cudgel and ground shatter even though its less lines than fan gale because the cast time is faster and you will therefore roar more and use more cudgels.

That would be during your burst while you have thee patths active

[jovial wing]

This is not tested yet tho

Like not fully anyways

Right?

[rare pier]

No I tested it multiple times

You get way more dmg using just cudgel and fan vs cudgel tremor fan

You want to use the CF macro though when your v4 is active which you want tiger to be up so you constant cudgel resets and tiger roars

[jovial wing]

Prepped and ready for when I finally max my V skills on phantom

[vital swan]

[rain ermine]

Anyone have any good input on how Hoyoung is In Bossing. Thinking about rerolling from night lord

[rare pier]

It’s way weaker then NL

I’m 23 cap 41 attack but a NL with equal is gonna be way stronger

You are already playing one of the strongest theifs

[tepid iris]

HY so weak

Animation delay when battle vel so hard to play

[hollow holly]

can anyone assist with Hoyoung Perfect trios? for bossing and AB?

[tepid iris]

HY need buff or he so trash, skill delay can hit boss dmg anytime

[south oasis]

Ground shattering, iron fan, humanity, butterfly, ghost, clone
For bossing

For ab idk,
I only use iron fan and stone tremor for ab skill set up, together with V skills

[hollow holly]

thank you!

[south oasis]

Theres a very detailed guide above, ive been following and its been doing good so far

[south oasis]

@hollow holly burst rotation guide

Boost nodes @hollow holly

[hollow holly]

thank you i was actully looking to assist a friend! i appreciate you!

[rare pier]

So fan gale does more dmg than ground shatter atm

However it’s really not an ideal skill to use as a bossing skill. Once you get into lotus and whatnot it literally moves you up so you can’t use it on p1 lotus

Also in stuff like guild honor battle it’s a mess cause you just go up

They just need to up ground shatters lines

[rare pier]

I do now

[twilit goblet]

Can you share your ab and boss wheels, please? 🫣

[rare pier]

It’s different for different bosses

But I can share the general one

AB

Bossing

Stone tremor is on there because in lotus you turn on the extra function for p1 to teleport the laser

[rare pier]

Here is what is unique to lotus

After p1 I turn off stone tremor

[twilit goblet]

Appreciate it! One last, whats your trio? Same with moonbeam?

[rare pier]

No

Hoyoung has to run 2 sets of trios

These are the 2 sets of trios you need

If they change it and buff ground shattering wave we will no longer use fan gale which would be best but right now these are the trios

Fan gale really isn’t a good bossing skill because of how it moves you upwards. Ground shatter looks like it moves you up but it’s just an image

[twilit goblet]

Appreciate the explanation! Thank you so much!!

[rare pier]

I have all my nodes maxed so in the event they buff ground shatter I’ll move back to those

But honestly if you get to where you can fit all 4 this would be fine for either because you really don’t need to cast scroll vortex. It’s good for AB but otherwise useless

Does very little lines

[boreal thistle]

Sell 3b PBA América Scania

[tepid iris]

Need someone to tell me how to pass Lotus with a skill move Hoyoung

[tepid iris]

But all Hoyoung skills so nope in Lotus P1

[rare pier]

Not sure what your asking @tepid iris

[tepid iris]

about Hoyoung's skill move and V skill when you battle Lotus phase 1 is so useless

[rare pier]

No it’s not

You can use ground tremor

You teleport right through it

You can’t use fan gale or ground shatter those move you and aren’t teleport

P1 lotus I use this

@tepid iris

You spam the bottom right macro

And then you use ground tremor to teleport the lasers

Eventually the laser moves too fast and I just fly and use the portals

You can use your portal we have but I don’t care for it because the range is small and it’s hard to use when you have transparency down

also as soon as p1 ends I go into the skills tab and turn off the extra function for ground tremor

[tepid iris]

Yeah I used to do that but made a lot of work then u got lower dmg than Other class

I hate delay skills while HY catch skills I can't use another till he finished that

[south oasis]

Have u tried doing a 2min ba on mulung dummy? How many lines in total. Just wanna check if im doing anything wrongly i do about 11990lines(without the thief classes poison v skill)

[rare pier]

Yeah our lines with maxed V skills is just shy of 14K

@south oasis

[south oasis]

Am i doing something wrong

V skills are maxed too

[rare pier]

Dm me @south oasis

[rancid gull]

@rapid vine

[winged orchid]

I'm quite new to Hoyoung, are my trios wrong?

[south oasis]

Looks correct, the 6 u need are
Humanity
Ground shattering wave
Iron fan
Clone
Butterfly
Ghost

[summer monolith]

does anyone have a picture of what hoyoung trios are?

[round mulch]

I wish it was easier to search in the class forums. What hyper skill passives do we take?

[lucid chasm]

Checked pinned

[lucid chasm]

Pinned the videos should still be relevant

[south oasis]

Empowered harmony
Harmony deadly crits
Boss rush harmony
Clone deadly crits
Butterfly rush

[south oasis]

Perfect 6 as of now are
Iron fan
Humanity
Ground shattering waves
Butterfly
Clone
Ghost

[ornate crescent]

which humanity?

[south oasis]

Theres only 1 humanity

[ornate crescent]

how does this class fair in the meta right now? assuming full necro

[south oasis]

0 burst skills,
V1-v4 skills are buffs/summons that provides constant dps over 45s,
Not ideal in end game bosses that moves a lot cuz u need to be hitting bosses continuously for 45s for ur v1-v4 skills to be doing dmg

I believe the meta classes all have giga big bursts from one of their v skills during defense smash 4 buff duration, whereas for hy u will just be doing constant dps during ur “burst”

[south oasis]

All in all i would say the class is below average in terms of dps

[astral zenith]

https://youtu.be/m02decAVs7w?si=JDdX8AtXUg2BwSEQ

[twilit goblet]

Can share skill wheel?

[astral zenith]

The same as in MoonBean’s video

[placid scaffold]

What skills do yall equip on your pets??

[round mulch]

Order for leveling v skills?

[proper fable]

is Degeneration worth using on bosses?

[south oasis]

I dont use it, if ur not hitting anywhere near ur cap dmg, might be good tho

[proper fable]

ohhh cool glad to know it works. so its similar to other classes that debuff in that way. it would help if my party isnt capping as well right?

[south oasis]

1. Iron fan/ground shattering waves(depending on which u use for bossing.)
2. Humanity( for golden cudgel)
3. Butterfly
4. Clone
5. Ghost

[south oasis]

Yea it would, its a pretty significant debuff.
It consumes scrolls energy tho, so it might screw up ur timing for summoning tiger, or butterfly buff. Both of which are high dps skills

[proper fable]

right. makes sense

[proper fable]

if i wanted a 6th boost node skill to max, what would you recommend?

[south oasis]

The 6 boost skills nodes are:

1. iron fan
2. ground shattering waves
3. humanity
4. clone
5. butterfly
6. ghost

[proper fable]

oh right im dumb

[south oasis]

Ur main bossing skills is either iron fan or ground shattering waves.

Iron fan deals more dmg% as well as more lines
Downside is it makes u jump while casting(which screws u in guild honour battle and lotus and sometimes magnus(falling balls)

Ground shattering waves only downside is it deals lesser lines and lesser dmg%

The easy route would be ground shattering waves, its a very straight forward skill.
If u wanna min max ur dmg and use iron fan, can dm me ill send u skill wheel guides as well as video guides for GHB,lotus etc
(Im using iron fan in every bossing content)

As for boost nodes, why is ground shattering waves levelled when im using iron fan most of the time,
Ground shattering waves boost node boosts stone tremor as well(which is pretty good dps)

[proper fable]

omgaahhh

so good

tyty

thats what i was concerned about. my hy lv190 just tryna plan ahead

whats the Hyper Passive Skill setup?

for bossing*

[south oasis]

Empowered harmony
Harmony deadly crits
Boss rush harmony
Clone deadly crits
Butterfly rush

[proper fable]

if no one has told you today, you're amazintg

[south oasis]

Hy is pretty underwhelming now, but its a fun class to play in bosses

#buffhy

[proper fable]

yeah. rn i have my Mech and TB. looking to add more the the arsenal

i feel like hy damage would def lack in Gloom too

[south oasis]

Hy “burst” kit is not really ideal for the meta right now.
Its a very lengthy burst(45s)

And in this 45s u would have to hit the bosses for 45s continuously for ur 5th job skills to maximise dmg. Some bosses dont just stand there for ur entire buff duration and be a punching bag

[proper fable]

makes sense

tiger on one side of the map, then boss moves to the other

wrath of the gods only procs while you're attacking?

[south oasis]

Yes. And so does clone rampage

[proper fable]

i see

yeah def not in the meta rn

#buffhy

[south oasis]

Our v1 - v4

Tiger - place down summon that deals damage over time

Clone rampage - only procs when ur dealing dmg

Wrath of the gods - only procs when ur dealing dmg

Three paths apparition - for the entire buff duration(30s) golden cudgel would have 0s cooldown which allows u to spam it and deal big pepe dmg

Basically u gotta be hitting the boss non stop just to get value out of ur v skills

[proper fable]

similar to pc i guess. DPM class but you gotta work for it since theres no big burst

i like the concept

enough for me to want to gear one

[south oasis]

If u need more help when ur lv200 do hmu

[proper fable]

thank you sir

[south oasis]

Mute the music if u need to

[proper fable]

so good

[south oasis]

Lotus,
In p1 u cant use iron fan, or ur gonna get screwed by laser

[proper fable]

damn i figured.

that music goes hard

ok that transition caught me off guard

[south oasis]

Skill macro for future reference

[round mulch]

I meant the skill nodes not boost nodes

[south oasis]

Oh mb,

U wanna max clone rampage, followed by tiger, followed by three paths then wrath of gods

[round mulch]

Thank you!

[south oasis]

If ur unsure how three paths works, u need to have a skill preset of gold cudgel(first slot) followed by either iron fan/ground shattering wave(which ever ur using)

Once the buff is used, u just spam that preset and gold cudgel would be 0s cd, so u just rotate between the 2 skills in the skill preset for the entire buff duration

Levelling three paths increases the buff duration. Max duration would be 30seconds @ lv30

Wrath of gods deals the least amount of lines hence i would lv it last

[round mulch]

Unfortunately I have been focusing all of my exp nodes into wrath because I found it most helpful for farming, but I’ll switch my prio now - I’m quite a ways from contributing in bosses anyway, still stuck at mythic weapon

[south oasis]

Yea farming wise three paths is pretty useless

[round mulch]

Me with level 20 wrath

Why pretty skill not the strongest

[placid scaffold]

How many attempts it took for you guys to land on necro?

What cape and belt would you guys recom??

My wrath of god is at lvl 27, node lvl 22, slot lvl 5. Should I max it before focusing on the tiger skill??

My tiger skill lvl 11, node - 9, slot -2

[south oasis]

For bossing,

Clone rampage > tiger > three paths > wrath

For farming,

Wrath > tiger > clone > three paths

[placid scaffold]

Okay thanks!

[south oasis]

Im not super sure on this, but i think bloody cape and green buckle belt are ok

Bloody cape gives evade which saves pots,
Green buckle belt gives item drop rate, when ur farming in arcane force maps,
Higher drop rate = more nodestones
Nodestones = dmg boost(if u decide to use it for urself) or nodestones = mesos(if u sell them on ts)

If ur not going for necro weapon, gilded belt and sirius cape might be better. They both provide u with crit rate%

There are some people who does inherited full exp sets with necro weapon who are able to do bosses up to lucid. I believe that build is very reliant on exp scaling flames, im not super sure

[placid scaffold]

Thanks a lot!!

[astral zenith]

https://youtu.be/_ISogX3r-do?si=ZimybWM_bqt8Wtsr

[placid scaffold]

Mightymochi the TOP HoYoung in my server A2U lol

Lvl 233 so fast…

[toxic quest]

Do u have mightymochi discord

[placid scaffold]

No, I don’t have his discord. I think I saw his telegram handle on the A2U trade chat…

Btw, could you guys help me understand why it doesn't show as "equipped" even though I've added the V-Matrix boost buff skills to my pets?

[proper fable]

ghost is "equipped" on your skill wheel

im assuming you dont have those buffs also equipped on the second page

[placid scaffold]

I equipped those on pets thoo

[proper fable]

but not on your skill wheel

[placid scaffold]

Oohh…

So Final dmg won’t be applied unless I equip on skill wheel??

[proper fable]

you'd have to look at your buff bar and see if it is applied with buff pets

[placid scaffold]

Yeah pets seem to only activate the normal lvl 5 buffs

[proper fable]

are you talking about Anima warrior?

[placid scaffold]

Talisman, sage and butterfly

[proper fable]

this will be applied regardless of it being on your wheel

[placid scaffold]

Oh! Okay thank you so much!!

[proper fable]

[placid scaffold]

Sorry just to clarify, does the FD only activates when I fight??

[proper fable]

your skills will always have this as long as the node is equipped

doesnt matter the situation

whether it be training, or bossing, the FD is applied

you can be standing in town, the FD is still on those skills

but if you're asking if its a buff, it is not. it only applies to that skill which has the node

[placid scaffold]

THANK YOU SO MUCH for the clarification!!

[proper fable]

this does not affect your stats in any way

[placid scaffold]

lol but it’s still good?? FD…?

[proper fable]

yes

[placid scaffold]

Thank you so much!!

[proper fable]

the FD is applied with the skill. not your stats

[placid scaffold]

Noted. TYVM!

[placid scaffold]

Hey everyone, just to clarify based on the previous messages, only these 2 trios are needed, so I can go ahead and extract the other boost/special skills, right? Are there any additional trios/special I should equip?

[proper fable]

imo, have a 3rd one prepared for when you have slots available so you can use vmatrix points into vskills instead of 10pts into boost nodes.
you can probably extract everything else. if you want, you can level up boost nodes and extract after for more node shards. most value at lv25.
Can craft Ropelift, Sharp Eyes, Holy Symbol (in case there isnt a bishop in party), Speed Infusion, Hyper Body, Combat Orders (optional)
Special Nodes: Rune EXP 1 or 2 (2 is better for longer duration). Defense Smash 4 (for bosses Arkarium and up and later stages of Mu Lung Dojo). Special nodes expire so remember to extract before they do.

[placid scaffold]

“imo, have a 3rd one prepared for when you have slots available so you can use vmatrix points into vskills instead of 10pts into boost nodes.” - could you clarify this?? Which 3rd trio do you mean? Which one would you recom? Could you share ur vmatrix set up? Thank you!!

[proper fable]

in total you will need 6 trios for those 6 different skills. this is because boost nodes can go up to lv60. now you can get away with using 4, all lv25 each. then you would use vmatrix points to level those up, up to 5 points for each boost node. This will get your skills up to lv60. To have enough points, your character will have to be level 219 for the 20 points required.

The other way is to have 6 different trios, 1 for each skill. you can do lv25/25/25/25/10/10. And this will give you your lv60 skills. Then you will have your vmatrix points to use on your Vskills instead. Vskills can go up to level30.

::4 NODE SET UP WITH 5PTS INTO BOOST NODES EACH::
LV25 - IRON FAN GALE - HUMANITY - GSW
LV25 - HUMANITY - IRON FAN GALE - GSW
LV25 - CLONE - BUTTERFLY - GHOST
LV25 - BUTTERFLY - CLONE - GHOST

::6 NODE SET UP::
LV25 - IRON FAN GALE - HUMANITY - GSW
LV25 - HUMANITY - IRON FAN GALE - GSW
LV10 - GSW - HUMANITY - IRON FAN GALE
LV25 - CLONE - BUTTERFLY - GHOST
LV25 - BUTTERFLY - CLONE - GHOST
LV10 - GHOST - BUTTERFLY - CLONE

[placid scaffold]

thank you so much! I have to stop extracting boost skills and equip accordingly whenever I have slots..

Thank you so much!! Much appreciated!

[proper fable]

np. my hy isnt lv200 yet but i just had this cheat sheet ready for when it is

[placid scaffold]

Regardless of the level, you're so pro! I'm at level 215 and still clueless about all this.

[proper fable]

the concept of how nodes work is the same for every other class. some require more. some maybe less. just different skills is all

[placid scaffold]

HY is my main and the only class I've leveled past 200. I absolutely love it! And I really appreciate the time you took to write that!

[astral zenith]

More vid for Hoyoung bros

https://youtu.be/BTXG7CwuR-0?si=pzLO2hXM1nTKaHDM

[placid scaffold]

Hahaha I subscribed to him

[round mulch]

What’s the spread we need for emblems? Full CD? 6 CD 2 Boss?

[placid scaffold]

Do y’all spend money on this game?

[placid scaffold]

Someone from Reddit told me preferably 5CD 2 BA

I guess 6CD 2 BA isn’t bad…? I’m going that route… lol

[jovial wing]

Can never go wrong with 6CD 2BA I try to get somewhere around that on all my chars

A little deviation not the end of the world either tho

Like 5CD 3BA is also fine imo

[placid scaffold]

Is this worth USD$300??

[jovial wing]

I'd say yes but then I'd be discussing real world trade and that's not allowed here

[weak goblet]

Any AB wheel post lvl 200 and hyperskill for farming only

[south oasis]

#msm-feedback-qol message

Pls support with a thumbs up

[astral zenith]

I personally don’t mind all of our V skills to be 2 minutes cooldown, but 30-45 seconds duration for it is absurd. I would preferred 2minutes cool down but with at least 1 minute duration.

Let alone, the number of lines need to be reworked the most. So far, it feels like we need to hit the boss with ALL 4 of our V skills for its full duration just to have about the same number of lines as other classes who can get those number of lines for just 10-15 seconds (through their burst). If I am not wrong, some classes can burst with more lines output than our 2minute cool down V skills….. Funny.

Here’s more vid for HY bros 👊🏼

https://youtu.be/zZ7CfpFbOkc?si=JiVg2nnPwmnbDAuw

[fervent wasp]

Oh dang guess I gotta follow this forum better huh? Tysm kmsm players 🙇🏽‍♂️

[fervent wasp]

I noticed this when bursting tbh everyone can burst super fast but we need the full 45 seconds or at least 40 to get out all of our lines
I do hope one day that can shorten our burst

[south oasis]

Burst needs to be more compressed, its too lengthy now.

Especially in msm, its all about how many lines u can deal during ds4 duration(15s), when u reach end game bosses with high ied%, for eg hdam gloom lucid will etc

As stated in my post, our biggest dps skill is clone rampage, which deals 1550lines over 30seconds. This is provided ur hitting the boss continuously for 30seconds(which is unlikely in the above mentioned bosses)

So just imagine ur highest damaging v skill is doing sub 1k lines, every 2mins in a realistic boss fight where the boss actually moves. Furthermore a good chunk of ur dmg would be outside of ds4 duration, which means u are doing reduced damage to bosses with ied requirements

Meanwhile, classes like db, has a skill called blade tempest which takes 6seconds to cast fully and deals 1.8k lines(2min cd)

Fun fact, db takes 17s to cast their burst kit, v1 - v4 + hyper skill

Alot of the old school classes are overpowered right now, NL NW DK PALA DB etc, i guess its because thats what majority of the player base are playing so nexon tryna appease them.

Just have to let nexon know that theres actually people whose playing hoyoung and enjoying the class.

If nexon increases the buff duration to 60s-75s and leaving the cooldowns at 2minute, its still a major buff, so no complains

If ur familiar with PC maple,

Each jobs are categorised to 2min cd jobs or 3min cd jobs.

2min cd burst jobs tends to do lesser damage as compared to 3min cooldown bursts jobs, this is because their cooldowns are 2mins and their bursting more frequently.

Whereas 3min cd jobs deals more than 2min cd jobs because 3min cd jobs arent bursting as frequently

This is to balance the dmg,

In msm 2min cd skills are like the highest possible cooldowns, and yet its more of a disadvantage to us given the amount of lines we are dealing as hoyoungs

[astral zenith]

It’s ok for a long duration, but the number of lines produced need to be similar to other classes’ 10-15 sec burst lines…

Within the 10-15sec time frame ofc

[fervent wasp]

Yeah i get that
It tends to be very frustrating and hopefully one day nexon will see our asking to increase lines or time because it is a little unbalanced in our favor.

[fervent wasp]

How could we organize this? Because HY is really fun and in gms it's more incredible

[south oasis]

#msm-feedback-qol message

[south oasis]

#msm-feedback-qol message

Believe it or not, nexon reads the feedback qol page 🤣🤣

Some qol buffs made to specific jobs were requests from there

The changes we are asking for HY is pretty major tho, likely we have to wait till class rebalancing patch, not sure when. Maybe june/july 2025 when hexa and 6th job are out

The last class rebalance patch was during v4 release, hy was barely buff-ed. Just some skill animation casting time reduced

This is my gloom’s run BA, which is depressing

Realise how v skills are ranked 2/3/4

[fervent wasp]

Ah I see

Well i did submit a post and i could talk to other HY players and ask them to say something too

[south oasis]

This is my friends NL BA,

Ignore the 32k lines from omen, its inflated as there are small minions in darkness mode absorbing damage.

But ya u can see the big difference if u compare the other skills

Just 1 throw blasting is 2x-ing our clone rampage

[south oasis]

Realistic omen lines(from hdam)

[fervent wasp]

Bruh that's unfair.
Hopefully they do take our feedback into consideration because I really love HY class
It's what brought me back from quitting gms maple

I also see you use Fan more than earth, is that how we do the most damage?

[south oasis]

I started playing msm cuz of hy release, its a super fun class in pc maple

[fervent wasp]

This is an old analysis

[south oasis]

Fan does more lines,

Bad thing about fan is the upward movement that may sometimes be lethal

[fervent wasp]

I knew fan was better.

Should I RR nodes?

Or just get another node for fan

[south oasis]

What are ur nodes like

[fervent wasp]

Lemme log

[south oasis]

Fan can be irritating to get used to tho,

For eg, guild honour battle since there are many many small platforms to jump on

Its like 100ish lines difference per 30s iirc, i tested awhile back
Fan vs ground

[fervent wasp]

I tend to swap last 3 nodes for bossing

So fan does more dmg

[south oasis]

I would say hold back on the nodes and wait for rebalance in the meantime

Scroll vortex is trash, even tho its a god tier skill in pc that u would recast everytime its off cd

[fervent wasp]

Currently nodes are at 7.8m

[south oasis]

So they might change scroll vortex, im not sure

[fervent wasp]

Yeah our vortex vs gms is insane

[south oasis]

If they do change then u can roll for new perfect trios in the future

Yea it does 120 lines in total per cast rn, its pretty bad 🥲🥲 its not even worth it to recast in msm

[fervent wasp]

Oh man poor vortex

[round mulch]

One day I hope to worry about things like this. Thank you for speaking out for the class. Meanwhile I’ve just soloed n magnus for the first time

Heard stories of other classes with equal power to mine being able to kill it one burst. Meanwhile my clear took longer because we don’t really have a burst skill

[fervent wasp]

I would say it wouldn't hurt to say something similar that we have, the more voices the more the change can be suggested and implemented

[jovial wing]

Hoyoung is full garbage in specifically gloom tho to be fair

Cuz of the low burst window

[south oasis]

Yes

[jovial wing]

Also

The NL one is a bit skewed atm

But we don't snitch on other classes bugs

Oh nvm you asked for lower cd lower duration mb

Then ye that would fix gloom

Ye your feedback post fixes most things, I just don't agree with the 90s cd on tiger as that would mess up burst rotation as it'd not fall within the 2 min rotation

[south oasis]

Thanks for pointing it out

[south oasis]

2min cd is fine, but the amount of lines have to do it justice 🤣🤣
1.5k lines for a skill that requires u to be hitting the boss for 30seconds continuously to proc its dmg is kinda 💩 considering its 2mins cd. Not to mention in most scenarios u wont get the full 30seconds off

[jovial wing]

Hahaha yea hence why lower cd lower duration would be a lot better

Like DS or smth

1 min cd 30s duration

[south oasis]

Or they can rework it and make it like throw blasting,

when max activation count is reached, buff ends
I can see this working well

[fervent wasp]

That sounds reasonable tbh

Having a similar buff would be nice

[jovial wing]

Ye but that would be changing the essence of the skill that feels kinda meh

It's easier for Nexon aswell to just change duration and cd

[south oasis]

Will ba(failed run)
Seems like hy are only playable in bosses where u can get the full duration bursts off🤣

Also tiger summon doesnt follow u when u change rooms, kinda sucks have to strategically summon tiger

[jovial wing]

You can't even strategically summon tiger as the longest you'll be in a room in P1 while dealing damage is like 20 seconds

But 3 burst uses in a 9 min run says a lot aswell

[fervent wasp]

Tigers skill description is wrong as well because it says it won't go away if you die or etc

[round mulch]

Small win in my progression but I finally hit 2% contribution in Ark This run was ~35 seconds

[fervent wasp]

First abso fan in NA I think

[south oasis]

Gratz

[placid scaffold]

GRATZZZ!!

[fervent wasp]

Happy new year all yall crazy Tigers!! 🐅

[astral zenith]

More vid for y’all to help decide on whether if it’s worth playing this class! 🙃
… I have come too far to go back and start anew 🥲….
https://youtu.be/OLS0XDOxH1c?si=M-_1hJ-4FvJDKu-b

[round mulch]

You can transfer to any thief, you'll just need to start another weapon! They are constantly increasing the exp rate and you'll get to 240 in no time. But I am happy to see high level Hoyoungs. I really enjoy the class 🙂

[astral zenith]

https://youtu.be/Ng1rqapoMRw?si=MqKNbsMxDLAoPk-W

[south oasis]

Hi mochi, can u share ur culvert rotation?

[placid scaffold]

So u are mochi!!! Hahahaha so mysterious

[astral zenith]

https://youtu.be/T7MmQOrEWqk?si=fenuZD9bgIVCrXz4

Any suggestions?

[south oasis]

Whats ur stats?

I think ours are similar 😂😂

[south oasis]

I think ur missing accuracy buffs
Fruit candy and mushroom noodles from tangyoon

This was my last recorded run with 82m mdc and 42% ied(2% from eventbuff) , not perfect run cuz some acp were fat finger-ed and delayed. But this is the rotation im currently using

[astral zenith]

Yea very close to each other

Your DIR is very high

[fervent wasp]

I wanna get stronger like yall.

How to do so.

Like i need. To get stronger

[placid scaffold]

What skill is that?? I don’t have it 👀

[south oasis]

U need to be lv235 to unlock it. Commander boss will drops it, or u get it off ts, in a2s its about 200m for 1

[placid scaffold]

WOAHHH

yall so strong

Share tips on Mulung and Ktower floor 60 plz

I can’t clear Floor 42 mulung and Floor 60 Ktower 😩

[south oasis]

Floor 60 kerning m pretty gated by DIR(def ignore rate). If ur DIR is low u will be doing REDUCED dmg to the boss. And also f60 kerning m 1 shots anything and everything, so u would have to dodge all attacks. I have 350k hp and i would die too to a singular attack in f60

[placid scaffold]

Urghhhh

Don’t think I’ll be able to clear then

[fervent wasp]

Oof another HY quit

[south oasis]

Ive quitted hy too

[fervent wasp]

Omg fr fr??

[fervent wasp]

Nooo this hurts my heart

[south oasis]

Yea ive rerolled to night walker

Cleared will before quitting hy

[fervent wasp]

Wow I'm glad for you but this hurts hahah 😅

[placid scaffold]

bored of HY? I’m still so addicted to hy

[compact lake]

stronger than HY so far?

[compact lake]

i like HY but swapped main to Hayato bc the v skills CDs are so damn long

[placid scaffold]

Yeah Hayato pretty OP

[south oasis]

Yea definitely LOL, hy is rock bottom among all other classes in terms of dps charts atm

[fervent wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-cat-zoningout-gif-6461142415711540714

Freekin nexon why are they letting warrior story be a thing

[rain ermine]

I don’t really have a main but I’m trying to decide between my hoyoung or hayato

[south oasis]

ill be back when hy gets buffed, gameplay wise as well as skill animation wise hy has a place in my heart, just that the dmg output is kinda depressing when u compare to other classes with lower stats

[placid scaffold]

Thanks for all the tips you have shared with me!

[compact lake]

haha i can relate, would def recommend hayato -- class is in a very good spot rn, super high dps, 60s and 120s burst, good mobbing, good survivability, good mobility, only thing is only has ~1 iframe and it takes some thinking / management to juggle their buffs

im only on lv38 mythic jaihin emblem with emblem LSW and half developed nodes, no emblem armor, and can solo cexpos / cvl / hhilla / nra if fully buffed -- was matching dps with a phantom in my guild that has necro cane and 2/3 emblem armors and maxed nodes

[rain ermine]

Oh wow! That’s awesome! I have my hayato at lvl 202 right now, had a break from maple but getting back into it again. I definitely like hoyoungs animations so imma push to 200 on it as well, currently lvl 189

[compact lake]

cool cool, I still enjoy Hoyoung skills are flashy and fun and great mobility, what really turned me off is just the cooldowns and the fact that for harder bosses it's so damn hard to make sure you can hit them constantly while your buffs are up

[fervent wasp]

Yeah HY is a very beautiful class. I'll stay with it because it's the class that brought me back to maple.
Hopefully one day it'll be fixed. But it won't happen if no one else asks for it in feedback

[astral zenith]

HY FTW

[placid scaffold]

Yeah! HY FTW!!

[astral zenith]

Dozo

https://youtu.be/YE_x4xnDnX4?si=sYuMijZaMoX19IFb

[placid scaffold]

Awesome run!!

[steady temple]

Hi 🙂 need help on hoyoung hyper passive points attribution ^^ 🙏

[south oasis]

Empowered harmony
Harmony deadly crits
Boss rush harmony
Clone deadly crits
Butterfly rush

[steady temple]

Thanks!

[astral zenith]

https://youtu.be/CIYCFucwtFs?si=MBhXc_kiUjTb0OI9

[placid scaffold]

So strong

[round mulch]

Upvote this please

#msm-bug-report message

[placid scaffold]

Hello~~ can anyone share skill wheel for lotus run?

[south oasis]

Stone trenor + turned on for phase1

[placid scaffold]

Thanks! I was gonna DM you, but thought you have rerolled.

[south oasis]

Rerolled but still around and willing to help

[placid scaffold]

Thank you!!

[jovial wing]

Why do you have the command option on?

[south oasis]

For p1 lotus, it works as a teleport for the laser

[jovial wing]

Hahaha sorry I mean your presets

Preset 3 I can understand only wanting to press once but the rest you can hold down anyways

[south oasis]

Tbh i have no idea if theres any difference for preset 1/2/4 LOL, but preset 3 wise where all the buffs are its pretty qol to just have to press it once

[jovial wing]

Yeah I understand that but I mean there's no real point in having it on for preset 4 for example which only has skills you'd hold down anyways

[placid scaffold]

👀

[placid scaffold]

Could you share yours too??

[jovial wing]

Mine is trash as it's just a half built submain that struggles to get 60B in a 90 sec fight

[south oasis]

Well i was testing the difference between command option off vs on, and came to realise theres no actual difference when ur holding it down. Its so minute that i just left it there without changing back LOL

Think the only use for it is for end game SC, where u proc ur DS4 at an af map and enter sc immediately. Once u reach stage6 of SC, ur ds4 would be right back up. So u would just press preset 4 once, and open tab and prepare to enter guild and enter sc immediately once u see ds4 procs, since it will auto casts all the skills upon a single click. I do it on my nw too.

[jovial wing]

Aahhhhh

This is big brain

[astral zenith]

https://youtu.be/KI-6JejnhzQ?si=B6zsbbDW7cZ9_6FE

[steady temple]

Hi just got to 200 got lucky on these, what should I get in my other perfect trio ?

Iron fan gale then what?

[placid scaffold]

@steady temple

[round mulch]

Iron fan, ghost, and ground shattering wave

[astral zenith]

New vid is out for HArchon. I can no longer post here because it is blocked.

[round mulch]

Does anyone have a Lotus p1 video for Hoyoung? Lasers are annoying lmao

[fervent wasp]

I could find you a video but it's mostly just using stone tremor[true] going left or right at the bottom middle
Like if the lazers are spinning clockwise go counter clock in the middle and reverse the otherway
Since tremor is considered a true teleport not a dash

[round mulch]

There’s no way to use fan as our main skill for this phase? Have to use ground shattering wave?

[fervent wasp]

Only use fan when the lazers are high otherwise you gotta use yes shattering wave for dps and use tremor for dodging lazers

Make sure you time it well otherwise the cooldown won't be back in time if you aren't using vskill

[south oasis]

lotus p1

[placid scaffold]

Thanks to you! I managed to clear practice mode under 5 mins with 6 death counts.

From 26 death counts down to 6. 😂

[south oasis]

Practice makes perfect, soon deathless

[round mulch]

Grats! I’m not quite as strong as you, but I lasted the full 10 minutes and got to 15% hp remaining in phase 3! Without DS4, and with 6 deaths

[placid scaffold]

gratzzzz!!! But I don’t have a lotus team… 😩

[placid scaffold]

Hi all, I just wanted to ask whether the full M label set effect or the 3-set effect is better?

3 set seem better?

[fervent wasp]

3 is good but 5 if you aren't hitting mdc

[fervent wasp]

Also some bosses have crit resistance

[placid scaffold]

Thanks a lot!

[south oasis]

2x 3set is better(considering u have a necro weapon and u wont need the crit rate) but at the same time more costly too

U would have to get 3 parts from eternity set(glove is a must), and the other 3 empty slots just fill it from another m label collection

[placid scaffold]

I just learnt that the effects can be stacked 😂 😂

I’m short of the overall

Rare to find master label in my server. for now I’ll just equip this set. hopefully able to find the other set

[south oasis]

I dont think its worth, unless u have alot of spare $$ lying around. Even then using that $$ getting better gears is far better imo. Or get 3 petite pets if u havent, it helps in farming(more mesos more nodes)

Eternity pieces are expensive af, its like 9b++ a piece in my server

[placid scaffold]

I have the m pets already. haha I’m just short of the mlabel overall. tried fusing myself but no luck.

[prisma nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt4DF5tu-LM

just found Nice Hoyoung here

[fervent wasp]

Whats ksms mdc atm?

[placid scaffold]

Hey everyone! Can I get some advice on which skill I should enhance next? Should I enhance the goddess skill?

[fervent wasp]

At that point I'd say goddess next yeah

[placid scaffold]

Alrighty thank you

[round mulch]

Hoyoung buffs

[placid scaffold]

YEAHHHH!!!

So excited for tomorrow!

[placid scaffold]

@south oasis coming back? big boost! Woohoo!

[astral zenith]

How is that a big boost 🙄

The main problem of the job is still untouched

[jovial wing]

I was about to say I hate to burst your bubble but this is not a buff

[round mulch]

It’s a significant buff for everyone that isn’t already capping. The main issue with 5th job burst still exists though

[round mulch]

It’s not a nerf so what do you suggest we call it?

[fervent wasp]

Its just adding salt to our wounds is what it's called

[jovial wing]

It'll do nothing to our damage output that's kinda what it is

This is just rescaling so we can still hit new cap

[jovial wing]

Btw my favourite part is Sia being right above Hoyoung and Nexon writing a whole story about "oh ye summon wolf was kinda hard to get all the lines in so we shortened it's duration" and then below hoyoung gets like a little bit of skill damage% increase

[fervent wasp]

Bro omg. This is literally what happened. How can they be so tunnel vision that they focus the same issue on another class when we have the same issue 🤣

[toxic quest]

Best comment

[astral zenith]

Looking on a bright side, our lotus flower skill seems more useful now + we can finally have an iframe of 5 sec after revival 😭

[south oasis]

Im a night walker main now

And yes this is not really a big buff, just minor buffs in skill dmg% to match with the new mdc increment

[fervent wasp]

These are beautiful changes imo in kms

[jovial wing]

This is PC tho

Our cd alr is 120 seconds

[fervent wasp]

Cd is w.e I'm more looking at the durations

[jovial wing]

Ye cd and duration being halved for us would be cool

Make it more like DS

[astral zenith]

What is kmst? 😅

[jovial wing]

Korea MapleStory Test

PC kms but test client

[astral zenith]

Oh so not official yet

Hopefully after a year from pc version, it will be implemented on mobile version haha

[jovial wing]

I mean

KMS test is ahead of KMS, KMS is ahead of GMS, GMS is ahead of KMSM and KMSM is ahead of GMSM

I wouldn't put too much hope into it

[astral zenith]

3 years it is

[wraith beacon]

guys how do i distribute my hyper skill points

[fervent wasp]

3 points in harmony[empowered, boss rush and crits]
1 point in clone deadly crits
And 1 in butterflies for boss dmg

[wraith beacon]

ty

[bronze dome]

How's hoyoung in sf147 and chaos bossing??

[round mulch]

What do you mean by chaos bossing? As in ability to solo chaos expeds?

[bronze dome]

Yea except for cygnus

[fervent wasp]

Sf147 was nice for me cas we jumped around a lot and that was nice mobility to have to avoid hits etc
And they're good at bossing but burst is slow especially at lower levels imo

[round mulch]

I don’t remember at what point I was able to solo chaos pb, but like with any class you’ll at least need a decent weapon and some nodestone investment

Chaos expeds aren’t super hard because the bosses don’t phase away, so you can get your full burst out on them

[bronze dome]

I guess chaos pb is still hard, like getting ss jewels for bossing from yellow exp s jewels haha

Yea and chaos expe some will do with pubs for more drop rate too

So it's still gd kk

[toxic quest]

.

[placid scaffold]

hi all, can any kind soul show their floor 45 mulung attempt?

[round mulch]

How important is maxing Venom Burst?

[south oasis]

Good to have it maxed if u have spare nodes. Max goddess blessing and last resort and v skills first before starting on venom burst

And also will skill(if u have it) if u dont have it u should save ur EXP nodes till ur able to get it(lv235 if im not wrong)

[round mulch]

I’m already hitting cap with level 8 goddess blessing. Should I switch to max last resort? I’ve got 7 levels to go before I can get will skill

[south oasis]

U should still max goddess, IIRC, every lv of goddess increases its duration

Its one of those skills that u want it to be lv30, after ur v skills of course

[round mulch]

V skills are maxed, so I’ll focus on goddess now. Thank you!

[wraith beacon]

whats the Bossing skills for this class guys?

can some one share their rotation wheel plz n ty

[true crest]

Hekko there, why there is almost no hoyoung on game? Bad class?

[compact lake]

yes fun and flashy class but underwhelming because many skills so you need a lot of funding, long vskills cd, and the vskills are all buffs / placedown so you have to time your burst rly well for bosses

[true crest]

It is a nice mage then

[misty tundra]

Hi may I know if there is any Hoyoung mains out there? Would like to seek for guidance would want to increase CP for bossing / upgrade items etc, currently item are all on EXP increase for levelings.

[round mulch]

tbh, gearing is the same for all classes. Follow the gear guide on the maplestorym reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/MapleStoryM/comments/v8aq3w/gear_progression_milestones/

[misty tundra]

Yes looking at this, what are the odds of getting emblem unique by fusing epics ? Been trying no luck 😵

[round mulch]

It's something like 3%

[proper fable]

Is iron fan gale still primary attack?

[fervent wasp]

Unfortunately yeah we don't have any other methods to attack

[mystic bison]

u mean ground wave?

pretty sure it is just the better main atk

[fervent wasp]

The better attack rn is iron fan it has more lines and dmg
Which is why I said it's unfortunate because our main dmg skill [iron fan] is a lvl 60 ability.

[mystic bison]

just off this and attainment with my damage test pre and post nodes ground shatter wave does more damage

also when i did watch kmsm vids and they all say wave especially because short animation allows for more clicks

if this is relevant, then the as you will fan should actually do the most damage bc statistically since 15(is cut off)by 50% is more than 9by55% and 12by35% but isnt used due to the short range and then add attainment

[mystic bison]

it has more lines but less damage %

and very slow animation

doesnt matter if it is a lvl 60 or 1 since hoyoung uses all abilities and all of the passives literally scale his abilities

yes u drop everything and rotate it in once and then spam wave crudge constantly but the cycle ins of the other abilities allow you to minmax his dmg

[fervent wasp]

Yeah I get that but base skill dmg of wave vs fan is still a lot

[mystic bison]

test it, it was more for me

9by50 is still more than 12by35

then add attainment and both to the base

i believe.. i can be all wrong but this is what the game wrote

[fervent wasp]

Bump

Im just doing what top dps HY did

[mystic bison]

idk if top dps hoyoung is korean tho but maybe also kmsm does have diff stuff

[mystic bison]

that doesnt matter

the lvl 100 passive and the lvl 60 passive updates that

that was for when it was 60 and 40

[fervent wasp]

I could test again sure but I recall doing more dmg with fan always

Regardless I have all my skills maxed

[mystic bison]

could be the stage final dmg triggers too

and his lines always wack

so if i wrong well the devlopers wrote his passive wrong

but yea when i did it a while ago it was higher

dont got proof except whats written in the game sorry

and cant do it cuz i extracted my max fan node and dont use it except farming

https://youtu.be/cX6PRL_mPFM?si=m6l_4bnsfx9tURWJ

the asians are always right especially when they made the game lol

[fervent wasp]

I just did some testing too im super close bud :x

Ima try full burst and see if full combo affects more dmg vs ground too

[mystic bison]

its line to damage ratio

[mystic bison]

its really really close

[fervent wasp]

Ima do full burst now

[mystic bison]

at end of day its preference

but for minmax pretty sure it is wave it also does trigger clone more

forgot to mention that

and since wave has less hits its also just makes sense its better for bossing

most of time less hits is burstier, and wave allows to weave other skills in since faster animation

[fervent wasp]

Tbh i think it's still close you just do more dmg and bit with fan because u complete the cycle of skills we need to hit in order for tiger and more dmg to proc [humanity, earth,heaven]

[mystic bison]

u dont need that with three paths

and i put in the heaven fire

as needed

esp since 6th job is around heaven fire

[fervent wasp]

Yeah but every time we complete the three paths tiger is supposed to roar more too

Tbh

I was wanting to test fire

See if I could squeeze it in somewhere

[mystic bison]

yea i think that vid is best imo esp ab

i get 20m an hour

af170

[mystic bison]

yes and three paths autocompletes a stage

[fervent wasp]

Here it is again lmao 🤣 I mean this was less than a year ago because that video you posted was a year and I'm not sure if it was pre or before skill patch too

Testing wise rn fan did a bit more dmg but not by a whole much
Itll change completely depending on 6th skill too because it changes the structure of our moves

[mystic bison]

yes but u can use three stage apparition differently since

it autocompletes a stage

game still doesnt change much

literally they just copy pasting what korean has and adjusting a teeny bit

so their year ago is practically us now

but to each their own just thought id let u know dont have to take my advice

and the upward movement he himself says is lethal is enough to practically disown that lil diff u are having imo

more lines isnt always more dmg but is appealing

[fervent wasp]

I appreciate it but but again that video you have is still older than this one, this is kmsm and top HY player again uses fan #_#

The fan is lethal when fighting lotus due to lazers where i just use my other macro skill thst uses earth :3

[mystic bison]

“top” most of time just means whale

lol anyways good talk

[fervent wasp]

When 6th comes out we need to see which of the skills gets a better boost tbh

Gms/kms hexa skills are very different compared to msm

[mystic bison]

true

[fervent wasp]

Like HUGE example our vortex skill is TRASH

[mystic bison]

mhm

[fervent wasp]

Where in pc maple vortex skill hits so beautiful

If they'd give HY in msm the same copy paste that kms/gms has i wouldn't have any issues tbh

[mystic bison]

yah

[fervent wasp]

Not a bad buff imo

[mystic bison]

yah saw those

[fervent wasp]

But anytime I ask in feedback people get mad at me 😂

#keephyweak

[proper fable]

really opened up a can of worms with my question

[mystic bison]

i mean wave is the main atk its bustier shorter animation which is much better for rotations and triggers three path, tiger, and clone more

and the range is better
its gonna take a bit to get used to if u dont want to minmax fan is easier

[mystic bison]

cuz u can see more uses and more dmg per hit

the ability not just do more dmg but help the rest of its abilities to more damage

and they will do much more esp with a second rotation of buffs

and the devs literally buffed the ability twice in passives so you play around it

but to each their own

maple a dead game anyway

[wraith beacon]

can i get some guidance with skill wheel post 200 with v matrix skills plz n ty

[round mulch]

This is only true if you aren’t hitting cap. If you’re hitting cap, using the skill that has the most lines is always better.

[round mulch]

This is what I use.

Training:

Bossing:

Presets:

Use Preset 3 if you’re not capping (and for phase 1 Lotus). Preset 2 if you are capping.

[fast mason]

@fervent wasp dear Bara could You showme ur preset skills.

[fervent wasp]

This is my bossing wheel

I have same mob wheel as colb

[fast mason]

Can i see ur perfect trio

[fervent wasp]

Its not the best but i do it this way so anything I attack is max damage

[fast mason]

No tengo ese skill

What do u think about this

[fast mason]

Can i see the next page ? Please

[fervent wasp]

Este es un skill
De level 235

De will boss

[fervent wasp]

Next page tiene hyper body, chain and exp node

[fast mason]

Oh ha veo excelente

[fervent wasp]

I change chain to speed infusion for boss attack and exp node into ds4

[fast mason]

Podemos en español?

Podemos hablar

Que es ds4

[fervent wasp]

Focus on leveling up clones, three paths, God and tiger
Then focus on tri nodes

[fervent wasp]

En Ingles es defense smash 4

[fervent wasp]

Entonces, consigue que Tiger, Gods, Clones y tres caminos alcancen el nivel 25 y realce sus ranuras hasta el nivel 5 para que primero se conviertan en habilidades de nivel 30

[fast mason]

Ya veo

[fast mason]

Veo que usas en tus presets el amarillo y verde en la misma plantilla

[fast mason]

Dónde colocas el Hyper body el sharp eyes y speed infusión ? En el pet?

[fervent wasp]

Sí, depende de qué jefe esté luchando, pero sobre todo estoy usando la habilidad amarilla

Y sí, dejé que mis mascotas tuvieran esas habilidades de amortiguación porque son demasiadas cosas para presionar

[fast mason]

Excelente

Que usas para farm

[fervent wasp]

Pero las habilidades tienen efectos secundarios en cosas como la carrera y lo que sea

El fan tiene auto-salto o rebote

[fast mason]

Gracias

[fast mason]

Hey there, about this presets , yelllow, green and blue, a que bosses le das cada rolleo

[fast mason]

@fervent wasp hmmm

Why do u have 7 trios

[fervent wasp]

Blue for lotus part 1, todo mas lo que sea

[fervent wasp]

Me gusta tener maximo levels en mis skills

[fast mason]

Estos skills cuando y donde los usas ?

[fervent wasp]

Debido a que tengo muchas ranuras, uso la mayoría de ellas, pero prioricé los ojos agudos. [el ojo verde] y el DS4 [la defensa rompe cuatro] primero

Si tienes más espacio, entonces la infusión rápida y el veneno son buenos para daños adicionales o para usar el hipercuerpo durante más vida

Casi nunca uso la habilidad del corazón rojo porque ya estoy golpeando mi máximo daño

[remote marlin]

hello
is hoyoung a good sf144 farmer without pets??

[placid scaffold]

Surely die.

I believe every class needs pets to survive better?? At least the auto pot

[remote marlin]

sorry i meant, if hoyoung doesn't need auto buff pet?

[fervent wasp]

Hy does have better survivability because we can dash and jump around
but If it helps I died still in eos at lower levels
But we still squishy

[remote marlin]

oh
i need to pick 2 classes between hoyoung/wind archer/cadena for sf144 farming
which 2 do you think i should pick?

[fervent wasp]

Cadena still has chain for best mobility

At lower level

[hoary abyss]

Is this class spam one bottom
Or manage skills?

[fervent wasp]

This is a setup class where u gotta manage your burst

[hoary abyss]

It means you have to watch for cd and time with bind,
So it’s not a combo class then

[proper fable]

bind timer doesnt last long enough for Hoyoung to get off their full burst

[fervent wasp]

You do u booboo

[spring crow]

Hi guys, ive decided to main Hoyoung recently (returning player) and im wondering if i should put all the buff skills available on pet for bossing? or should i manually active some of them to maximize burst potential?

[fervent wasp]

The skills I recommend you press manually are clone rampage, three paths and grandis blessing unless you really want automatic and will time it nicely with the beginning of bossing etc
But everything else can be auto

[proper fable]

lv150 hyper proc is what lets hy spam cludgel right?

[fervent wasp]

Tonic gives a dmg boost and let's u spam scroll and other techniques while it fills
But three paths in the v matrix is what let's u spam cudgle

[proper fable]

ohhh

okok

[spring crow]

ty man imma note that in mind

[fervent wasp]

Those being buffs
But tiger scroll, gods wrath and cyclone and ghost are also part of burst

[hoary abyss]

Is this good perfect trio?

Saw it in the pinned video

[fervent wasp]

If butterfly was Humanity itd be perfect but thats a good one to keep

[hoary abyss]

Gold banded got 10 sec cd

As-you-will I didn’t see it as part of the wheel

Oh I see u can spam cugel

Nvm

I have no idea how this works yet

[hoary abyss]

It still suggests butterfly as the first trio in the video linked in pinned

[hoary abyss]

If I did this right then the stick is more important

If it’s a 2 min test then butterfly will be better

[hoary abyss]

Or even almost the same combined..

But butterfly is better for ab training

[fervent wasp]

Cudgel is good because three paths lets u basically spam it but if you'd want to ab then yes butterfly is better

[whole nest]

Which vskill is better to max first?

And also. What is the perfect trio for HY?

[fervent wasp]

For better damage immediately it's gods wrath

[placid scaffold]

anybody here reroll after reaching 250??

Is HY that bad?

[fervent wasp]

Im a HY main through and through
Ima die with this main

[proper fable]

Imo. Not a terrible class. But has its downsides. Its burst is drawn out longer than some other classes who can get their main burst out in 5-8secs. So for HY, theres a lot of situations where they wont get off their full burst, especially in late game bosses that move a lot or have multiple phases.

Some upsides from my experience. Nimbus cloud pretty much an infinite Blink. 170 hyper iframe is kinda clutch. Farming with pets feels op

[placid scaffold]

What are your MDC?

[round mulch]

I love my HY!

It’s funny being dead last on the damage chart for the first 15 seconds of a fight, but then you pop up to the top after everyone else’s burst runs out

[placid scaffold]

YES THIS!!! 😂 😂

I just reach 59.4 MDC and can see slight improvement 🤣 🤣

[round mulch]

They will rebalance burst dmg eventually, so I wouldn’t chase classes with big burst.

Play what you like ❤️

[acoustic belfry]

Hi there, I'd recommend to use 2 pet presets (details below), one is without burst and 2nd one is burst, so you can toggle it to instant burst without having to wait for casting:

Preset 1: Clone rampage, 3 paths, grandis blessing.
Preser 2: Without the above in preset 1

Steps: Enter boss with Preset 2, when ready to boss press on Preset 1 and toggle tiger and wrath of God then spam your gale + cudgel. Once burst is done, changed it back to Preset 2 and get ready to use on next Preset

Also shout out to my boss @placid scaffold please give her likes

[acoustic belfry]

the iframe should allow attacks, because at end game bosses like will, you will need to charge your gauge in p3 to clear webs, but if u are in this particular iframe it doesn't allow you to attack, which is kind of a bummer

[acoustic belfry]

Sharing how I burst, this is in P2 in solo Damien

[hoary abyss]

Where did you put all your experience nodes

[round mulch]

Max Sage: Clone Rampage first if you're bossing

[spice salmon]

two questions::

how does hoyoung rank for bossing and farming?

does this class need a lot of funding?

[spring crow]

if you planning on making Hoyoung as a farming alt, then yes he is pretty dang good at farming with lots of mobility. i was being able to survive sf144 with pure unique equips and with 2 pieces of mythic outfit + hat, now i can sleep on af170. Bossing side is what i dont like about Hoyoung since it took him ages to burst down the boss. DB, Lynn, Sia or even my ILM can do much more better. tho im just a newly main Hoyoung so my pov could be wrong compare to other real main.

[spice salmon]

thanks for your opinion, the skill animations are beautiful. so im considering using him as a side project. I would like to at least be able to solo root abyss

[proper fable]

its very DPM heavy it feels like to me. ii play one as a bossing resource farmer without pets. you wont feel the satisfaction of the HP melting but in a longer duration you can experience its damage coming through. but in bosses that teleport or has phases where you're in a lull. you can feel you miss out on a big portion of damage if your "bursts" pop right before that happens. i still love the class though despite its drawbacks

if they were to rebalance its bursts into a 15-20sec window and improve its offburst DPM, it would feel really good imo

[spice salmon]

well ill just keep enjoying the pretty colors for now haha

[proper fable]

same its a really fun class dont care for whether or not its weak

[dull yacht]

Any ab skill wheels 👀

[dull yacht]

Op

[fallow fossil]

With limited node slots, which v matrix skills are most important ?

[proper fable]

Six Paths > Wrath of Gods > Clone Rampage i believe

[spice salmon]

which skills should I use the additional function key?

[round mulch]

Ground shattering wave, stone tremor, and iron fan gale when farming.

If they don’t have the yellow border, the additional function is turned on

[rain ermine]

Without restarting there’s no way to go back to the default hair is there??

[fervent wasp]

Unfortunately no :/

[rain ermine]

Posted in feedback QOL with fingers crossed, would be a cool feature! Wish I could go back!

[fervent wasp]

Would be nice! I do miss HY og face too 😅

[placid scaffold]

What do you guys think of the update? Good? 😆

[acoustic belfry]

the new iPhone update? Abit lacking

[placid scaffold]

Game update boss 😂

[proper fable]

More lines on vskills. Still doesnt fix the issue of not having a condensed burst in current meta

[fervent wasp]

Lemme know if I should change anything here but I feel like I got the point of it across

[twilit goblet]

You probably got the point!

[wraith beacon]

whats the trio for hoyoung?

[toxic quest]

I’m looking for 2 min line count along with battle analysis results. Please let me know your best number!

[errant prairie]

Several years later th

Btw guys is this class bad? I see cadena and dual blade being more popular in sf 158 maps and among botters(cadena)

Or its server dependant

[round mulch]

2-min line count I’m getting is right around 15,300

How bad are we

[toxic quest]

Very low lol

Missing will skill tbo

[fervent wasp]

I gave my data to echo

[toxic quest]

Can u post it here to so I can do adjusted line coung

[fervent wasp]

Ill do it again many times that way we have a bigger sample data

[round mulch]

@toxic quest Can you share your spreadsheet? Interested to see line count differences between classes ❤️

[placid scaffold]

HoYoung is not bad. but depends on your play style and how much you’re willing to invest. 😂

[toxic quest]

Line count 2 mins

Tb - kawhi - 15,080 adjusted (16,554 unadjusted)
Pally - echo - 15,381 adjusted
Lumi - bg1_1 - 16,055
Aran - Kevin - 15,585
Phantom - copy - 17,122 (not using any iframe, but also hasnt cheesed with running arrow blaster n fpm hyper either)
BaM - restoreazure - 15,130
Wild hunter - bobo - 17,247 adjusted lines.
Fpm - Cinna - 16,100
BM - Sunny - 15,800
Mercedes - 15,300
Hero - Charlesand - 14,271
BW - Geminis -15,947
Evan - 15,454 need more data. 15,963 from
Echo.
Ark - jimmy- 16,127 lines.
Sia - warnn- 16,395 (15,665line by me but I run defensive hyper, 16442 if max out)
NL -
Nw
Kaiser
Shadower
DS - rubedo - 16,669
DA -
Xenon -
Dw - visoule - 15,974
Mechanic -
Erel - echo - 15,750
Dk - norzy - 15,178
Ilm -
Cannoneer - 16,511 line adjusted (19,887 unadjusted)
AB - twin buster- 16,257
Lynn - echo - 15,578g
Db - Rahj- 15,399 adjusted (17,714 not adjusted) g
Shade - 15,724 (echo video)
WA -
Marksman - ranger5x (tamb34) - 15,703
Cadena - tylerrrr - 16,041
Kinesis -
Bishop -
Corsair -
Pathfinder - Pathsupreme - 16,340 lines
Bucc - nub/dabucc - 15,100 lines.
Blaster - jrip - 16,435 (15,525 with hammer smash preset)
Hoyoung -
Kanna -
Adele - belly - 16,608 lines
Hayato - myself - 17,266 line (16.4K in realistically)

[toxic quest]

It’s above. It’s from my personal data. I tried to only list verified sources with battle analysis to make sure they don’t cheese or anything. All line counts are adjusted and verified also.

Theres also classes like bucc and hero w sub 15.1k line Thats doing insane dmg rn

I can’t seem to find an explanation

[fervent wasp]

Here's a quick ss of echos data I just redid my lines and got a bit higher

I counted 15947

So safe to say around 16000 lines should be our average
Considering I do forget to use ghost summon sometimes

Im sure it can keep customizing and figuring a way to get more lines etc but its only gonna increase by maybe another 100-500 lines maybe

And again just re did it and now I got 16507

[fervent wasp]

Considering the burst takes a time to set up its very finicky so the numbers can change drastically

[toxic quest]

For sure. Line is just one aspect. Which skill is affected by clone for u guys?

[fervent wasp]

All skills while buff is up have a change to proc clones but some do more

But we do have 2 clone skills 1 which procs
Where the other procs way more easily

[fervent wasp]

You can honestly hear, see and feel the difference between both skills

[vale bobcat]

Hoyoung main..
good or bad?

[round mulch]

Meso farmer? We’re great.
As a bosser, none of our burst is instant and we struggle in bosses that phase often. It takes 40 seconds to get off our full burst dmg.

That said, we have some of the coolest animations in the game which will only get better with our 6th job masteries.

Nexon does balance changes regularly, so just play what you like!

[vale bobcat]

thanks for the insights.

[vale bobcat]

what is the perf trio for hoyoung?

[winged crag]

hii can i ask what to level for hyper skill on hoyoung ?

[fervent wasp]

Depends but its usually as you will fan, clones and either fan or ground

[fervent wasp]

Currently grinding on alts but
crit damage on clones
Harmony crit and boss dmg
Lemme look it up in a bit but those 3 off the top of my head

[acoustic belfry]

if you follow my Preset above, it doesn't take much time to set up. only issue is w boss that phases

[winged crag]

Noted thx

[fervent wasp]

All 3 harmony, clones and butterfly for hyper passive

[balmy smelt]

I need setting Skill

[fervent wasp]

Wym? Which skill xD?

[balmy smelt]

preset Skill boss and ab

Please 🙏

[fervent wasp]

You can either boss with wave or fan but this is me

For ab

For bossing

[balmy smelt]

THANK YOU 😊

[fervent wasp]

Anytime

[round mulch]

Hi Bara! 🙂 I do the same, except without Vortex, and I add iron fan gale.

Does your Vortex ohko mobs?

[fervent wasp]

I have iron fan too :3 its just hiding in my macros 😅
Uhh lemme get back to you ill record it and then post
Im currently at work

[balmy smelt]

If you love it, can you play the main character? Some people say it's better to use it to farm.

Is there a way to upgrade Passive Hyper?

[proper fable]

any class is subject to buffs/nerfs in a single patch. Current Hoyoung may not be ideal in current meta. but things may change for better or worse with 6th job coming. and that can be said about any class. so imo, best to play a class you love regardless of meta

[balmy smelt]

❤️ 🫡 😊

I need upgrade hyper skill Lv.141 up please

[proper fable]

@balmy smelt if you scrolled up. you would have seen it here

[balmy smelt]

Ok thank you

What is a hyper power upgrade?

[fervent wasp]

Vortex can ohko eventually wirh more damage and higher exalting but i use it to help clear map faster when in a pt and proc god fists/feet more often

Also vortex will be getting a revamp on 6th job

[balmy smelt]

Sorry gus Hyper start

I don't know which one to upgrade. I haven't played in almost 5 years.

[burnt crow]

Correct

Max fd first then phy dmg increase

[balmy smelt]

Hit count?

[burnt crow]

This one depends after u max fd and pdi

If u capping, mdc, if not then adi hit count

[balmy smelt]

Just these 4

[burnt crow]

Yes

Thats the foundation of a bossing page

[wild granite]

the goat

[balmy smelt]

I need node

[burnt crow]

Im not a hoyoung main so idk which trio are the best for bossing but as long as these are the ones then you are good to go

No need follow one to one mix and match also can

[proper fable]

need all

[burnt crow]

Teppo you should upload bossing yt vid of your boss mules

Gmsm dry af

[proper fable]

thats too much effort for something i dont care to do on top of the fact that the viewership it would get wouldn't reward my effort

[burnt crow]

Gg

[proper fable]

my point of view. i enjoyed my blind progression.

[fervent wasp]

You got it tbh 😂

[balmy smelt]

I'd like to see some gameplay examples. I don't know which skill to use first.

I'm not good at English.

I can't translate every word.

Bossing

[broken lily]

Hello

Is anyone active here?

Is Hoyoung worth to main?

[fervent wasp]

Hy is a very diverse class with many different techniques with a slow burst
If you want to be able to survive well while bossing and dps slowly yes its worth it
If you want crazy fast burst and big damage I suggest another class

[broken lily]

Oh my

[scarlet spade]

Have you decided to make it your main?

[scarlet spade]

Does this class need to get buff?

[broken lily]

I went to another class. Hoyoung is good for meso farming as per my research

[proper fable]

not necessarily a buff but hoyoung's burst is prolonged and currently the game is in a meta where having a more condensed burst is ideal. but that can change as new bosses are released and when we get 6th job. not a popular opinion, but i think their damage is fine, just doesnt fit the burst meta at this point, but will be efficient as the game progresses

[fervent wasp]

This
Our burst is the biggest issue but with 6th job it can change
But gms has seen that HY has an issue with burst and has made it faster and better
Along with making everyone's burst time cd into 2 min

[proper fable]

we're already in 2min change though

[fervent wasp]

Oh I know but thats what started the change in pcms 😂

[proper fable]

i feel ya

[fervent wasp]

Then they finally got these changes

[proper fable]

the one thing i dont like about this is that it will literally make HY feel like any other burst class. offload for 20secs then sitting on your hands for 100secs for it to come back up.

but i mean i get it though

[fervent wasp]

All classes will eventually get this treatment in due time, HY is very different from many classes as we have a perma fly, a heavens door and a 1-15 second iframe. We will always be a great bossing class
Only makes sense for out burst to finally come out better for our lines to actually hit where most classes press a single button and they get all their lines

Our burst is the only thing holding us back at this point 😂

[proper fable]

i get this. its just a preference of how i like the class.

i like the drawn out dmg

even if not all of it comes out easily

feels like im still hitting hard for longer durations

and i thumbs upped your QoL on it so i am for it. but also like the way it is now

[fervent wasp]

I get it i dont mind it but I just wish we could get all our lines out better

Which is why I say idc if we still would have a 45 second burst

Just let us get lines out better and when we hit our line cap end the burst or w.e

I want efficiency not a whim of rng controlling my damage when everyone else with less mdc hits harder than me. 😂

Especially during will bossing and higher bosses

[sweet estuary]

Which class?

[acoustic belfry]

HY is very strong in Vhilla even with the current burst

[acoustic belfry]

isnt HY cooldown already 120s but with 30s duration?

[fervent wasp]

45 for wog and Tiger summon 30 for path and clones

Its ok if no one wants an improvement and wants to stay in a slow burst thats on u I want better treatment for HY considering we dont have things that pc does. I don't ever talk about those but I always could

[acoustic belfry]

yea so if the picture above applies doesn't it means you get the same 2min cool down but ur duration is shorter? or does it come with more lines? if yes that absolutely improves the overall damage output

[fervent wasp]

All I've ever asked for was a quicker burst the cd was never an issue, its an inefficient burst regardless because clones and wog and path and Tiger only proc on our combos so if we are dodging and literally not attacking for 5-10 seconds or w.e we lose a chunk of damage where other classes their burst comes out faster and is way more efficient

[acoustic belfry]

yes I understand you and I agree too being a HY main myself, I was just checking if the above changes of reduction is duration of burst comes with increased lines, then yea it would make more sense, overall if u are a HY and you are in a not disappearing boss you tend to do more lines than others thats all I can say based on my vhilla experience

[finite blaze]

Hi guy

Ho young is good damage job in bossing and loving

Living*

[rain ermine]

No rebalance?

[fervent wasp]

Lmao no rebalance

[round mulch]

Has anyone been able to find Hexa priority for Hoyoung from the KMS forums?

[placid scaffold]

did yall unlock all?

😂😂

[placid scaffold]

Mastery first

[round mulch]

No I’m getting an abysmal amount of Sol Erda from farming. I’ve gained 3 Sol Erda total

Saving for hexa stat first because I need MDC

[round mulch]

Do either of those give additional lines?

[fervent wasp]

All vskills in hexa just give extra FD
Extra lines only from hexa top right skill set

[jovial adder]

Can I see what skills do you guys use for hoyoung?

[acoustic belfry]

for burst ?

[acoustic belfry]

whale

[jovial adder]

Yup, and also in general how do you just fight the boss. Like when burst on cd too

[acoustic belfry]

These are my Preset in boss

[jovial adder]

Thank you

[jovial adder]

Is hexa heaven: consuming flames needed to use for bossing or mobbing?

[round mulch]

No, but since we have it boosted from 6th job I’ve included it on my training wheel. Make sure you tick the additional option on if you ever want your character to use it during auto battle lol, otherwise it requires you to jump first

[twilit goblet]

Any updated boss wheel?

[round mulch]

Our boss wheel hasn’t changed. Just add the origin skill to it

[lofty quartz]

Do you use Iron fan gale or Ground shattering wave for bossing? I see few mixes.

[acoustic belfry]

Will this be the same for all 30 levels?

[acoustic belfry]

all using gale until u go clucid then need use both when dragon appear

[fresh anchor]

Has anyone here solo vhilla or clucid ?

Would like some tips and to compare battle analysis lmk pls

[fervent wasp]

I can't solo clucid because im ffffffd on hexa stats currently.

I'd be able to solo her at 250mdc

Vhilla also easy for us

[twilit goblet]

Uhh isnt hexa consuming flames usable during AB when its on?

[fervent wasp]

I still don't use it in rotation tbh

Until we get our 2nd skill nodes of fan, summon/vortex, and dash we won't have much of a difference in dps

[fresh anchor]

Can I see your battle analysis for solo nvilla and hvilla?

[fresh anchor]

I DMed you also

[fresh anchor]

Im currently 270m MDC but im struggling to cap even with a 56 abso fan

I’m trying to compare ground shattering wave vs iron fan gale. I seem to be doing around the same max dmg with both of them and I feel like iron fan is slower and more clunky. Is there a reason you prefer iron fan over ground ?

[fervent wasp]

My bad I was busy
I currently am at 200mdc and I still hard cap

[fresh anchor]

Can I see your battle analysis for vhilla of you hard capping

[acoustic belfry]

if you are talking bout gale, its not gonna cap until 2nd hexa release on it, im 353m mdc and aside from capping most skills gale will always not be capped

[acoustic belfry]

HY job is awful in clucid, so you would only be able to solo her when you are above 300m

[fervent wasp]

So why can I do half her health in one burst with 200mdc?

In pt 1?

[acoustic belfry]

thats just p1 brother, do the whole thing and you will understand

[fervent wasp]

And others were clearing clucid without 6th job before around 300mdc

Do u have a hy to attempt this?

[acoustic belfry]

one thing about HY in clucid is the lack of iframe + gale is jumping up and down, and yes I main a hy 353m mdc atm

[fervent wasp]

We have a huge iframe? And we have lotus and we have hexa iframe and god slam iframe

Idk I've never had trouble with gale jumps

I use them to jump over vhillas skulls sometimes too

[acoustic belfry]

what is a hexa ifram im invested, u need to iframe to be hitting during dragon for the guage to charge, scroll iframe is not providing any dmg and hence you are unable to charge the trumpet statues

[fervent wasp]

When using scroll iframe and u have tiger and god on it procs damage still

Hexa iframe during origin burst?

I never relied on damage regardless even when bossing so idk hy are a strong bossing class imo

[acoustic belfry]

you dont have tiger and god on the entire duration, anyway happy for you to show case clearing as 250m hy. All I can say is I cleared hy solo at 9mins at 320m, so if you could clear at 250m it will be a great achievement of coz proud to have a hy player that can clear at 250m

[fervent wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/capoo-bugcat-cute-thumbs-up-yes-gif-26565853

[acoustic belfry]

the kind of iframe needed for clucid is able to normal hit while in iframe

[fervent wasp]

If I can do it I can do it if I can't I can't
I'm not stressing

[acoustic belfry]

of coz of coz, I dont solo anymore coz im in a team but it was hella stressful when I was below 300mdc, with BRP it wasn't clearable, you may say its a skill issue but the job is not much more promising for disappearing bosses and for clucid half the time you are unable to hit in p2, so you wont be able to fully utilise your v1 - 4, and it becomes a vicious cycle. For vhilla hy is strong no doubt

[fervent wasp]

Yeah maybe HY is just weak af vs lucid

Which if so will make me sad

But when I get there ill worry about it then

[acoustic belfry]

This is my my vhilla stats

[fervent wasp]

Stronk

If things go well and the economy doesn't keep tanking ill be at 350mdc eventually

This year

[acoustic belfry]

they really need to release the hexa for gale because its so far from capping

[fervent wasp]

I kinda expected them to release both trio nodes but 🤷‍♂️

It's nexon

[acoustic belfry]

dont worry every thing is dropping in prices you will be there in no time

[fervent wasp]

Ty for the insight

[acoustic belfry]

its hy just being a forgotten class

[fervent wasp]

I'll take it into account for when I fight clucid

If not then ill just hopefully join a team

Yeah HY is a class that's being hidden more and more

Meanwhile in pc its a huge bossing class