Sia

[chrome iris]

Are yall capping without v4 buff? Like when its down? 48m cap necro40 seems like im only capping when v4 is on

What are the skills to perserve cap

[lapis anchor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab-1tpWxkxQ

I noticed something odd

The duration of Fomalhaut and Bellatrix auto refresh timer from time to time like potentially endless buff duration

Was there any rebalance in KMSM lately that causes this??

[vague geyser]

i did some checking

they had this since july of last year

[ancient prawn]

Yea it was in a Korean patch note

I’m waiting for it to come to us. Keeping up bellatrix n formalhaut is such a hassle

It only extends it by 15s I believe

I wish they made it 30s. Coz sometimes w v4 active we recast Vega and we miss one Canopus rotation which means we don’t refresh it then

[lapis anchor]

Oo

Sound pretty neat

I guess 15s is more than enough

Because we cast Sirius once every minute, which also uses Pole

We only cast vega once every 2 minutes, with V4 active, right?

[ancient prawn]

Yea

Well I do ;)) I’m not a pro dps sia

We don’t always cast Sirius or canopus right away

But I think even just the 15s will help tremendously

Coz that was one of my biggest complaint as a sia player, the constant need to not only monitor n support our team and saving link for the right moment , but also constantly upkeep bellatrix n formalhaut

[dense comet]

Skill issue, just cast everything

[ancient prawn]

My brain hurts when I play sia full dps

Bring back the sia hourglass mule day. Life was nice

[dense comet]

You gotta make sacrifices to achieve greatness

[livid path]

This my way to go haha

I maybe even rather have a switch/togle for stun

[dense comet]

When I said everything, I meant everything and manually of course

[green yacht]

Is there a certain hyper stat maxing order for Sia?

[vague flame]

Can anyone give me the pre-200 skill wheel please

[drifting lake]

That's why sia is fun to play and hard to master, i dont need a dead brain classs

[drifting lake]

Lol just remember to refresh bellatrix and falmahud after every sirius and vega after every circle it's not that hard

[frosty hinge]

Could someone post lvl200 AB wheel ? With constellation , preset and Hyper passive plz ? I would be forever grateful

[livid path]

You can read back a bit for passives.

For ab i use https://youtu.be/rQ0QAitPxxo?si=CO4gkf5dFER03g19

There is conselastions in here aswell

Moonbean and maplemtips ab are good aswell. But i just find this best working. It uses three skill presets. And so i can use one for bossing

[tacit ravine]

jw if anyone has the hyper stats that should be taken for this job?

[livid path]

^^^

[spring arrow]

assuming 1-hit, is bellatrix or izar better for mobbing?

[autumn crow]

heiyaa

[abstract sluice]

What skill is circled, is that a Vskill? - What skill is it?

I can't seem to find it, my Sia is level 187.

[abstract sluice]

@dense comet any idea? LOL you're a sia..

[dense comet]

I used to see this but I think it’s an old picture did you take it recently?

[ancient prawn]

That’s equalize, your lv100 skill. That’s the image icon when u have not chosen an equalize skill yet

Once u select your equalize skill, it’ll have that skill icon

[dense comet]

It’s stellar equalizer

[abstract sluice]

thank you, friends

[livid path]

Very confusing yes!

[wide crest]

Finally they remove Sia stun from the Wolf and change it into new skill

[vague geyser]

is this for kmsm?

[wide crest]

Yes, it's for kmsm

[vague geyser]

yeah i just saw it

[wide crest]

Hope they also rebalance in global soon

[vague geyser]

yes please!

[wide crest]

Since the day Sia got nerf, i nearly read kmsm patch everyday, hoping someday they fix her again

[dense comet]

Wow I easily use all skill so I’ll be a real dps now!

10% crit 10% final dmg and initial attack from skill and hit count went up a lot !! I wanna test this when will it be available

[ancient prawn]

Probably 1 year til we get tbis

Idk why they change pole to 2s

[dense comet]

IYKYK that is a major change

[ancient prawn]

Hmm?

Also not sure what they mean by keep to only 1 pole now

[dense comet]

You Will be able to cast faster, they admited that maintaining all spells up during bossing while taking into account boss patterns require a high level of skills

[ancient prawn]

Cast what faster?

Like improving the attack speed / animation?

[dense comet]

You don’t cast anything? (True question) or maybe you cast partially?

[ancient prawn]

Idk if u mean cast like using ray/boom/pole, or if u mean cast is forming a constellation

My understanding is last patch they did what we asked for, which is increasing duration of formalhaut/bellatrix whenever pole is used

So we don’t have to worry about upkeeping those every minute

But reducing pole cd to 2s doesnt improve damage or add any improvement to the gameplay. Canopus is still locked behind link cooldown. So it’s have made more sense if they reduce link cooldown

[waxen kettle]

When you say if you have necro do you mean full necro or only the wepon?

[livid path]

Only weapon

[green yacht]

What’s the optimal hyper stat priority on this class. Not like the order for the hyper stat skills but the actual stat points for bossing. As in like FD%, mag dam %, etc

[livid path]

Its just nexon 🤭💀

30% inherit succes, fail 75% exalt. Thats the way we like it

[livid path]

Seems like its just as for all other Jobs

Im working in this order

Fd
Max dmg
Hitcount/addi lines thing
Magic dmg
Ba

[past sun]

Can someone advice me in getting to know Sia better? Currently using this presets:

[fading stag]

Need 1 slot for vega
Ray link ray ray

[echo belfry]

have in consideration that this will automatically bind the boss

the new skill will bind the boss instead actual if we double click hourglass

but overall is a huge update

[waxen kettle]

Could you please explain your reasoning behind using this over 2/2/2/2/2/2?

And which skill are you choosing to sacrifice for which node is going into the extra slot?

[livid path]

Thats nice

More controle on that stun

[waxen kettle]

Does this look right in terms of my boost nodes?

[vague geyser]

yup, each skill appears twice

you can also prioritize getting ray, canopus, and starlight to level 60 first (using 3 slots)

[drifting lake]

Any hope for the coming rebalance?

[vague geyser]

whens the rebalance?

[turbid rampart]

Next week

[vague geyser]

where did u see this

[turbid rampart]

Facebook

[vague geyser]

hehe cant wait, fingers crossed!

[dense comet]

This is rebalance?

[merry seal]

please bring the new kmsm buffs

[vague geyser]

thats from kmsm, hope they give us the same too

[livid path]

Sia get a new skill for stun right? Are there any other improvements too?

[vague geyser]

also using pole refreshes formahaut and bellatrix

and just better dps with her skills i guess

[timber tinsel]

*From KSM

Sia
Developer's opinion on adjusting Sia's party support abilities
With this improvement, instead of changing Sia's role in the party, we proceeded in the direction of reducing party dependency on Sia while increasing Sia's DPS.
Developer's opinion on Stella XI - Wolf / Stella IX - Adventure Anchor / Pole
Sia's basic damage cycle requires high skill to effectively utilize all skills. And since most core skills are fixed summon skills, it was necessary to consider the timing of skill casts when facing moving boss patterns.
To solve this issue, we reduced the cooldown time of 'Pole' to 2 seconds to reduce the pressure when using 'Stella IX - Adventure Anchor', while decreasing the duration of 'Stella XI - Wolf' and 'Stella IX - Adventure Anchor' but increasing the number of hits, allowing damage to be dealt in a shorter time. (However, for 'Stella IX - Adventure Anchor', while the total number of hits is adjusted, we've increased the proportion of the initial attack that deals damage immediately upon summoning.)
Developer's opinion on Stella XII - Hourglass
The immobilization status caused by Sia's 'Stella XII - Hourglass' has a complex structure and sometimes limits the damage cycle when playing in a party, making it difficult to use smoothly.
To address this issue, we added a new skill called 'Time Binder', allowing players to apply the immobilization status by pressing the skill key without being related to 'Stella XII - Hourglass'.

[turbid rampart]

This would change sia significantly

[vague geyser]

cant wait!

[livid path]

Oo read it. Sounds good!!

So if i understand correct.

Wolf and anchor get shorter spawn time But more more lines? To be more mobile with noving bosses?

[livid path]

Self fd % gets better. Sadly the party fd lowers

[vague geyser]

kmsm also had another patch before the one mentioned above

hope we get them all

[livid path]

yea

i only dislike (a little bit lol) the add duration or refresh ability of pole.

i liked the playstyle being abit thougher and morecared for

maintaining the buffs while bossing. was fun

a positive challenge

[livid path]

wat does this ''adjusted the revival effincieny of the skill'' mean? last time they talked about changeing things about the skill due to how it works and ''efficiency'' they added a cooldown to it lol

[drifting lake]

WTS if anyone is interested

[dense comet]

Sia is about to be unstoppable i benefit grwstly from these adjustements since i only play sia and invested alot of time learning to do maximum damage and learning he skills

[turbid rampart]

Wait till patch notes lol we still don’t know the numbers

[dense comet]

They talked about the bind button so what do we get?

[drifting lake]

If we dont get more lines it will be same history.

[livid path]

Hehe true. Its still nexon

[wide crest]

Sia got new skill, the stun seperate from the wolf

[turbid rampart]

.

[drifting lake]

Someone note the hit count of sirius before and after the patch

In game pls

[chrome iris]

YESS 🔥

[livid path]

Give us patchnotes!

[turbid rampart]

https://forum.nexon.com/MapleStoryMGlobal/board_view?board=2690&thread=2804598

https://forum.nexon.com/MapleStoryMGlobal/board_view?board=2690&thread=2803851

[livid path]

wow they already there

thanks!

[livid path]

wat do you mean? like in gameplay?

Just a cast/try at that fog thing stone?

[drifting lake]

Yes

It says 6.2 seg but at max lvl?

[turbid rampart]

Can’t wait to try after patch

[livid path]

Prepatch wolf and equalize wolf

[drifting lake]

One with circle.

Wolf + circle pre patch

Some1 can tell me why equalizer does more lines? Both casted at the same time

A this rate canopus and vega will be usseles af

How they suppose that we can maintain dmg ?

[livid path]

How do you have 1500 Hitcount lol

[drifting lake]

V4

[livid path]

Ahh i did mine without

I see you said circle

I i don't read heeh

[turbid rampart]

? How do u figure that? Canupos and Vega are 12sec cd due to links cd

[drifting lake]

Yea they don't touch link, but decrease canopus duration,

We gonna have 7 sec that we can't cast anything until link comes aviable cuz canopus is 8sec duration now lol

[turbid rampart]

Yeah but the initial hit count is 33. Higher tier bosses don’t stay still for that long. So the primary focus is for us to cast starlight and Antares.

[drifting lake]

Starlight has 2min duration when activate with circle u dont have to waorry for that

Antares got dmg decrease

Our source of dmg was canopus and spam of antares

When everything was off

[turbid rampart]

So now u can summon Algol

[drifting lake]

It was perma canopus for us cuz 15 sec of duration and 15 sec of cd on link

[drifting lake]

To much delay spaming that xd

Maybe works

We'll see it later at night

[vague geyser]

summon algol for 5% damage wut

[vague geyser]

also why kmsm got increased skill % for canopus meanwhile we got reduced

[livid path]

Classic

[turbid rampart]

Dk why yall are surprised

[limpid hatch]

[merry seal]

i hope they translated it wrong

[livid path]

Its all business as usual in two days

We survived the other nerf too. Lets stay strong together sia*s 🫶

[ancient prawn]

They always do that to us. We don’t get the same skill %

[livid path]

I also still don't see how shortening pole time benefits anchor

still need to wait link

Link down to 2 or 5 would be mad

[dense comet]

You never did before 🤨

[drifting lake]

And i quit my kinesis for sia

Hahahhaha

Oh the irony xd

[turbid rampart]

lol 😂 facts.

All we can do now is just wait and see if it’s a nerf or a buff

[dense comet]

Youre missing on dmg without algol my honest opinion

[livid path]

I even squeeze in some izar

All in

[turbid rampart]

Sorry but I’m not full dps when link is up sometimes I use it for 5sec iframe

[ancient prawn]

Yep. I been asking the same questions for weeks

But when u use pole, u also summon the star

And it stays for 3s

Now w the new pole, it stays for 10s

That’s gonna be a nice chunk of extra dps

I’m really happy they bring the refresh duration of Bella n formalhaut early

But then now they make us think about maximizing our line with refreshing pole every 10s , whereas Canopus is 15s cooldow

They shoulda just give pole extend duration to 15s , or reduce link cooldown to 10s so it makes more sense when they said Canopus can be used more often

Unless they want us to spam pole a lot, since it said we can maintain more than 1 pole at a time

But how can u use pole if u have to keep up 4 Antares? So now they make us pick between pole and Antares

Solve one problem, give us another problem.

But at the end of the day, the hourglass stun change, the extend buff duration thru pole, and condensing Sirius burst are MAJOR upgrade. Pole, link, campus, Antares, all are our lower damage skill. The Sirius change will make everything worth it.

[livid path]

Yea thats said right

The sirius one is a big hit

[livid path]

Well its mostly spam ray... So im not that worried about antares. And since you dont have to focus on bella and formahault, i think its possible to keep up antares and use pole on right moments

[drifting lake]

No one is talking about the 6 to 10 lines from circle on sirius? Xd

That's a huge lines income

Every minute we are op for 13 secs lol the rest of time we are aware of not diying hahahaha

[drifting lake]

Depends on ping user, if u play with low ping u can throw 2 antares before pole goes up

[ancient prawn]

Theoretically yea but it defeats the purpose of making sia easier to play

They reduce the extra work of keeping up formalhaut and bellatrix. But add more work micromanaging pole n Antares

[turbid rampart]

whats the verdict

[merry seal]

kind of insane lol

im not used to sia being this smooth to use

i keep recasting buffs when i dont need to. and trying to get 20 seconds of uptime on sirius... when i dont need to

[turbid rampart]

NICE

[merry seal]

i think sirius hit count is like 25% higher

so that helps a lot too

[ancient prawn]

Sia is the biggest winner for purely qol update

[drifting lake]

What option of canopus are using sir? Extra hit or time extended

[merry seal]

idk if its bugged but the extra hit one does more for me. more hits in a shorter time

[drifting lake]

Ty i guess cuz time extended were shortened to 8 sec

Is not worth anymore i guess

[drifting lake]

So pole doesn't stack lol

2 sec it's just for trolling us

Hahahahha

[dense comet]

I can kill lotus solo no buffs now easily

[dense comet]

Sirius is strong as sh** rn im shook

[livid path]

Its quite allright

[livid path]

Hmm.. Maybe bugged

[ancient prawn]

According to the note it does

It spawns more “star” at the location

For each pole u cast

[livid path]

Im not that into min max and infulance of % dmg fd cd ba and time and such.

But do we think there is a new best for our contstelation set up?

[livid path]

Yea But the other disappear immidiatly

[ancient prawn]

Wth

They said “will not continuously maintain just 1”

Which should mean it will continuously maintain more than one

Unless mistranslation

[vague geyser]

canopus dps seems to be the same except condense into 6 sec now

you guys getting the same?

[livid path]

Exactly

[livid path]

Seems like it. I used in fog, less hitcounts. But also didnt count how many i casted

For AB this means formault can be put on and auto refrresh by having pole in your set up

And bella aswell

Cool

[livid path]

and maybe for hypers? i really cant tell

[broken plover]

What does hyperskill use after the update?

[livid path]

Dat do you mean!

?

[drifting lake]

I think the same as always

They just delete the pole from hyper 3, but u still want link buff 6 sec for ray extra hit count.

[broken plover]

[drifting lake]

Some1 send a ticket about the pole bug?

[livid path]

No not yet

[green yacht]

Is the best hyper passives still 23489

[drifting lake]

as far as i know, yes.

only if u have the dmg to cap

[green yacht]

Ok just making sure the rebalance didn’t turn everything wacky

[drifting lake]

i feel you xD

[dense comet]

How can i reset hyperskills again i chose the wrong one i wanted final dmg 20% i took duration

I know we could buy the scroll before

[livid path]

Uhh Diamonds

@dense comet

The circle arrow thing hyper sp

To reset

[merry seal]

with 152m cap

[dense comet]

Omg

[livid path]

Were did you put equalize?

So time renogade instead of equalize?

[livid path]

Made a ticket!

[merry seal]

my top right skill is this preset with equalize on it

[livid path]

Ahh i see. I have appear on there

You cast appear seperatly?

[merry seal]

i have it on auto buff

[livid path]

Ah intresting. I always put it up with burst

[waxen kettle]

Noob question incoming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XV4P5YuEcE&t=42s

Is this video still the best way to grasp sia skill play or is it outdated with so many updates that have come since for post 200

And if so, is there a suggested place I can find said information? Trying not to bombard this chat with questions before I learn the basics on my own..

[livid path]

Hehe

[livid path]

You can dm me for questions

[turbid stump]

OP

[drifting lake]

How u ar using pole now? Every 10 sec? Or just to refresh buffs

[livid path]

Till now i didd second one

Still finding a way to use

I sumbit ticket. They dont understand me. Telling me the cd time changed lol.

Sent another tick with pic and highlited line of the 'will not continuously maintain just 1 pole "

[torpid pagoda]

Why is it that the HP goes down very slowly when each boss just appears

Is it just a display issue

[torpid pagoda]

Each pole is 30 lines… my thinking is if u are already keeping up Canopus every 15s, it is a very small increment

I spam it once every in a bit in the case that buffs are running out

[dense comet]

Why cant we have something like like old maplestory after the bossing the game feels so empty

[livid path]

You guys noticed that formahault switches off during ab? Or is it just me and do something wrong

I have pole in my ab. So would have get refresh

[drifting lake]

It just add 15 sec to the buff skill, idk if it trigger when doing a combination

[drifting lake]

It's not 15 sec anymore, they reduce it to 8 sec.

Better chose comet path to increase to 48 hits and still have 5 sec duration

[smoky gate]

Is there a skill guide somewhere? Just started playing today and got to 4th job. Idk what I'm doing so I just hit the recommended prebuilt set in the game lol.

[torpid pagoda]

yeah ur right. Imean the cd tho, like u can cast one campus every 15s

[livid path]

When i have ab open, it stays on.....

O wait. Yes. Maybe its because its not first used. But in combination

Let me check that out too

Its add time even when casted later. It also puts up the star.

So i guess it should be refreshed when in ab....

I think i go all combinations within 1 minute.....

[zenith flame]

any problem
with the paralyze v skill with the sia? some how it doesnt work anymore

[drifting lake]

u need to equip the new skill

it was separated so we dont stun by accident anymore

[livid path]

About pole being one

Just one pole and not more

[barren pagoda]

More context?

[ancient prawn]

U doing god’s work

[livid path]

I wonder if theres more translate mistakes. Maybe in % things in skills 🤞😂

[vague geyser]

[ancient prawn]

@merry seal did u change any hyper passive?

I changed mine to the one that’s reduce hp scale by 10% once we fuse to increase survivability in late game bosses.

But I guess what’s the more optimal offensive hyper setup for mid game player?

I’m sure warnn don’t have point in ray- reinforce 20% fd since he caps everything but the rest of us still needs that

[merry seal]

mines the same. 24589

i dont use hp scale reduction. you get 30% reduction off fomalhaut and 20% more if you use sadalmelik

[ancient prawn]

I’m rocking 170k hp in Will and gloom. Could use the extra bit of survivability

[dense comet]

What can i do to get stronger ?

[livid path]

Uh'm emblem

And switch out cra hat for muspell with emblem

Legion

Wat are your stats?

[dense comet]

Ty!! Here are my stats

[dense comet]

Should i buy a muspell with magic attack emblem?

[livid path]

Ba or cd

[dense comet]

Somebody hold me back i might do some crazy

[livid path]

O no wat?

[livid path]

Yea you can improve some on legion. And wat about the summary of magic att ba % cd%

[dense comet]

Legion i mean i dont get that much money often ill go the the hat and maybe legion after i try to exalt the hat

I got another billion and a half max coming from a stone from lotus runs and maybe 500mil from secondary weapons

[spare bane]

hihi im at lvl172, can anyone share their skill wheel pls, im having trouble utilizing the buffs and attacks

[vague geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XV4P5YuEcE

[charred igloo]

i have 1 instead of 4, is that bad

its my alt so no worries but i was wondering if its a huge difference

[merry seal]

1 might be better for alts

[waxen kettle]

Can someone explain to me what is the buff rotation and then burst rotation for bossing post 200?

I am guessing the nodes are going to be 4 maxed trios + shine + sirus + hourglass at 7 slots right?

[livid path]

I don't have the hourglass on it, neither sadalsuud

But yes. 4x trio. Circle, wolf. Shine

[waxen kettle]

What’s about buff and burst rotations for bossing ?

[livid path]

Il dm!

[tired coral]

hello guys how many hits sia can do in 3 mins now after buffed?

[dense comet]

Too much

[livid path]

https://tenor.com/view/hit-it-very-hard-and-gif-10193572180072161904

[ancient prawn]

.

[full sleet]

I'm playing msm again for after 1466d, is Sia good for newbie?

[full sleet]

I get two thumbs. I guess it's a yes?

Tried looking into it and there's like constellation mechanic. Is it rng skill?

My other option would be Kinesis.

[limpid hatch]

If you're new, I recommend trying multiple classes casually and go from there. Sia has a pretty complex "street fighter" type of play, so not so newbie friendly

[full sleet]

thanks. Any mage you can recommend for newbie?

[limpid hatch]

Bishops are always needed if you're going for that, otherwise experiment and try things out to see what you like

[raw trout]

https://youtu.be/vhGPh8ADRL8?feature=shared

Don't know if it helps anyone but visual update to my Sia 200 reddit post guide

[livid path]

Looks good! Intresting take on onbserve on preset instead of appear

I also wonder about your AB set up. You use two presets?

[raw trout]

I don't revive my other pets to buff so just manually align the observe with the burst haha

AB preset is basically formalhaut & Izar, SE Vega (can ignore the other stuffs on the wheel)

Can prob go for algol but my presets are filled w some of the other stuff for bossing

So I didn't really bother testing and optimizing on that aspect and also cuz in the past I was taking more damage but now it's fine

[livid path]

@raw trout amazing thoughts! Thanks alot.

If i have time i do some appear vs observe tests. I have one on auto buff. So i can switch it

One gives cd. Other fd. Intesssting. Idk alot about min max and in outs of skills %. So just need test

[chrome iris]

For sia is it ba or cd abso wep?

Since we have high base cd 😮

[turbid rampart]

Gz on that abso weap

[chrome iris]

Tenkie 🥹 1/28

[turbid rampart]

[plucky cypress]

do u mind if i get that same info? 😮 regarding the buff and burst rotations?

[lyric stratus]

are there any guides I can follow for sia builds

I can't find any online

[plucky cypress]

for EOS do we still equalize algol

[livid path]

Nahh

I never did that. I used the discman thing alot

But asap anchor

[plucky cypress]

Discman?

[plucky cypress]

post 200, what should i stellarize for mobbing?

[raw trout]

Vega

[livid path]

Izar haha sorry

[plucky cypress]

Any new changes to constellation settings or is the pinned one still up to date?

[turbid rampart]

Still the same

[plucky cypress]

Do people not run Mana Overload because the MP drain is too much?

[haughty verge]

there are better things to run too

[cerulean bough]

Getting a lot better at the class
https://youtu.be/vbWrVhOxWrE?si=m2bI5bR_lUt6YXAT

[autumn wing]

I’m planning on putting a Google sheet or website up to get basic class info that’s up to date and easier to find.

Would you mind helping me put the following together for this class?

1. Perfect Trio Nodes(Primary/Secondary)
2. Hyper Passive Skills
3. Auto Battle Skill Setup
4. Boss Battle Skill Setup

[hard trench]

what should sia hyper skills go to ?

[livid path]

If u have necro go for 23489
If u don't, go for 24589

[hard trench]

ty\

[hard trench]

do you happen to have a skill wheel build for ab farming?

[livid path]

Yes

Ill dm

[final phoenix]

Can you dm me too? Thank you!🙏🏻

[hard trench]

Thank you !

[clever kraken]

What is the perfect trio for sia?

[livid path]

I still work with all skills

But i see ppl doing two aswell

[plucky cypress]

I personally just boost everything as well. But I'm sure people optimize to use 2 trios for bossing since slots are limited.

[lapis basin]

who got vmatrix

[livid path]

All skills

[dense comet]

What skills do you use?

[lapis basin]

i don't have a sia haha
it's for a friend

[plucky cypress]

@lapis basin I think most Sia's here just max out all the skills(4 trios)

For boost nodes we have

1. Stellar I
2. Stellar II
3. Stellar V
4. Stellar VI
5. Stellar IX
6. Starlight
   I'm sure theres a way to optimize for JUST bossing, but as a main, I think you can get away with just making combinations of them until you have 2 of each. This will take up 4 trios.

V1 is Shine. Most important V skill
V2 is Sirius, which is your burst
V3 is Sadalsuud/Hourglass, basically a bishop door for the party but it goes away after TWO people in the party pop it
V4 is Savior's Circle, a buff, great to line this up with V2 Sirius to get the most lines as possible

Hope this helps

[livid path]

Hourglass can be utilized for two people. When on lv30

But yea. Above said, says it all

4 trio to rule them all

[plucky cypress]

oh shieee 2 ppl? i always thought it was one. op op

i'll go ahead and update the above comment i made. i didnt even know that

[blissful ember]

Is Sia hard to play? thinking of hyper burning her but Im a little bit intimidated by her kit.

[livid path]

it takes some practice. but with new updates its made more easy

[blissful ember]

Nee updates as in the ones already implemented?

[livid path]

yep

formatlhault and bellatrix being reset when tapping pole

before it wass complete combo manually, and so, be checked on countdown

[blissful ember]

Okay I will look forward to her during hyperburn

Thank you

[livid path]

np! if you have any other questions. ask.

I can also sent some video's from my sia on yt.

via dm

[blissful ember]

Do you have burst rotations videos or explaining on how to burst with sia?

[brave sedge]

yeah that would be good to know a rotation im planning on hyper burning a sia too

[scenic mural]

I guess there aint anu buold up rotation etc for sia 😦

[dense comet]

What should I use the nodes stone on first hourglass or savior circle? Any idea?

[turbid rampart]

Hourglass

[livid path]

Wat do you mean?

I have

• Bind skill
• preset with Circle, maplegod, appear, Sirus on equalize.
• shine
• sirius cast with sine
• anchor cast
• sia goes ray ray ray ray ray
• cast anchor whenever possible

Appear, equalize and shine have one minute cd, or atleast. Same cd time. So

After 1 minute another cast appear, Sirus equalize, shine sirius.

The one minute later you can repeat with Circle again
Since thats out of cd

Then you get something like this

https://youtu.be/p6eVVW5a-ZM?si=vsGOZcYYiF7oWi5i

While im writing this i see it aint perfect in sequence. Cast shine earlier for that buff a bit earlier

Its easier on a standing boss. Walking is hard to cast the buffs on correct place

[scenic mural]

Tho shine skill alobe is for support double wolves is burst as far i underatood

I saw u mainly fighting u recon to refresh buffs also or?

[final phoenix]

Thank you!

[livid path]

You are right!

First shine starts sadalsuud (hourglass)

Ray boom pole shine starts Sirus again.

[livid path]

The main buffs:

Capella, adds/rest time wheb casting canopus (anchor), vega and some other skills.

Bellatrix (that butterfly) and formahault are refreshed when using pole.

During battle these are thee skills being used alot. That why i don't have to rebuff these.

[final phoenix]

Does shine reset immediately the second time before the 60 secs CD ends?

[livid path]

Uhm as far as i noticed during battle. It just has 60sec cd

First cast direct reset to cast hourglass and the buff. Second 60sec cd due to cast Sirus.

Edit cause of wrong instruction

[scenic mural]

Ty so much milan learning it up still gotta use the combos hehe but seem most active class in game

[blissful ember]

Wait till u try cadena

Finger breaker

Its like a workout session

[scenic mural]

Rofl

Sia as to be direct on combos havnt tried cadena max power tho

[livid path]

Np! Anytime and Everything to let people play sia hehee

[broken plover]

How many Sia hit count in 2min/3min after update.

[livid path]

Dont know? Is there someting new

Wat are you asking lol

We don't get balanced this update

[cedar gazelle]

Hellllo, is there anyone that can help me with a bossing skillwheel and a guide on how to burst?

[livid path]

@cedar gazelle

[livid path]

@cedar gazelle

[livid path]

@cedar gazelle

I do this. But yea. Thats just gut.

[cedar gazelle]

Thanks!

[dense comet]

Good question balance

[ancient shadow]

Hi guys, I created Sia for burning but I can't get 30% dmg reduction from Fomalhaut, may I know am I doing wontg?

[turbid rampart]

? It’s not going to show in that buff page. But it’s active

[livid path]

this

[ancient shadow]

Thx thx

[green yacht]

Is this still the optimal choices?

[turbid rampart]

Yes not much was changed for skill enhancement

[green yacht]

Thank you. Just wanted to make sure

[plucky cypress]

Any Sia's here have a specific wheel they use for Forest of Erda? I've been using Clwana's old pre-V4 wheel for my AB, but I noticed that in the new dungeon, the wheel doesn't work properly.
In just regular AB, the wheel works as intended.
In the new dungeon, the wheel goes crazy. Ray->Shine->Boom->Ray(instead of Pole) which is weird. I'm wondering if its because theres zero down time for the wheel to register properly and it just spams.

Been trying to test if I could have another wheel that allows me to have 2 sirius up in this dungeon but am having no luck :/

[livid path]

Hmm

I ve not done it yet

Ray shine boom ray, instead of pole is weird. Maybe cause of cd?

[plucky cypress]

even when its off cd, it still spams Ray instead of pole during this cycle.

ive ran an entire hr while watching it and never once does it combo out Sirius. only my equalize Sirius comes out.

which is a bummer cuz when sirius comes out, the map legit empties= huge exp chunk coming in.

[raw trout]

So far for me, my wheel only have Ray, Link, Stellar Equalize Sirius and its the best I can do, otherwise the mobs are too tanky

For Sia AB, it is near impossible to control her to combo something out except with preset

[plucky cypress]

ye.. i eventually figured it out. have to make a preset for Sirius :/

made a significant difference

[ripe tangle]

Hi, was wondering if anyone has maxed their v skill savior circle? Is it worth maxing? It adds FD but the hit count doesn’t go up / CD of the skill doesn’t go down either with increased levels. Any other suggestions on which v skill to max after maxing her other skills?

[turbid rampart]

What skills have u maxed? Shine, Sirius,sadalsuud, then savior circle

[ripe tangle]

Shine, Sirius, and sadalsuud maxed

Any other skills worth using condense points on? That are not specific to Sia. I’ve been adding ethereal for additional mag dmg

[turbid rampart]

Savior circle changes with each 5 lvl final dmg and buff duration increases

Mana overload and goddess blessing is next

[ripe tangle]

I must have missed that. Thanks for the clarification. Will work on my saviour circle and goddess blessing 😊

[ripe tangle]

Just wondering, what’s the buff duration when saviour circle is maxed?

[ripe tangle]

Thanks bro!

[livid path]

How do you utilize mana overload?

Its takes so much mp omg

[turbid rampart]

Reset your magic guard. We’ve put it in QOL to improve mana consumption but they haven’t fixed it.

I don’t max it I just leave it at lvl 1

[livid path]

Ah i see. Good one! But wat does this mean for hp needed? Since more attacks take of hp then

[turbid rampart]

Once u do abso and I have one lvl 60 and the rest lvl 50 I have 320k hp? So it doesn’t really do much dmg until vhilla and that requires more of dodging skills

Damien to will you need more hp so potential with hp% are the requirement other than the equips that give Magic damage

[livid path]

Ahh ty. Im not there yet, but good to know

[cerulean bough]

90m sia leeching vhilla 😂 sia just too good

[turbid rampart]

Shhh be quiet nexon will find out

[plucky cypress]

I didn’t even think about this haha. The mp drain leaving mana overload on is still ridiculous even without getting but tho..

can’t wait for the changes tho

[ancient prawn]

Wow this is such a good tip!

[turbid rampart]

Rebalance is coming this upcoming patch! Plz put it in QoL feedback channel to fix mana consumption!

In pc ms mages have higher mp than hp because of magic guard but it doesnt make sense in msm. The amount of dmg we take, common v skills, mana overload takes too much mp. I find myself with 0 mp while running vhilla waiting for cd/altar to be done.

[plucky cypress]

Kmsm Iframe patch. I think mana overload’s mp consumption gets done away with and it’s just free FD.

I’m also banned on the QoL

[turbid rampart]

Thank god. But other common v skills still takes mp when casting.

[plucky cypress]

teach me your ways.i aspire to be like you

[dense comet]

Honestly didn't think about that good one buddy

[old geode]

Hi, I’m new to sia. Any guide how to set up skills ? Thanks

[livid path]

Watch moonbean or maplemtip

[livid path]

Moonbean or maplemtip

For ab i use clwana's. Also on yt

[turbid rampart]

Maplemtip if your aren’t geared. Clwna if u r one hitting mobs

[livid path]

Exactly

[turbid elm]

What are best nodes trio for farming?

[turbid rampart]

nodes for boss and farm are the same

[plucky cypress]

boost everything

[livid path]

4 nodes to rule them all

[ripe tangle]

Hi fellow Sias, can anyone advise if starlight enhancement is needed or beneficial for bossing?

[livid path]

Yes

Atleast. Idk. But i have it since all skills get boosted

Its just part of a node and so gets levels

And every hit, is a extra hit

[ripe tangle]

Ooo okay gotcha! Thank you.

[ripe tangle]

Yeah same I just wasn’t sure my 4 boost nodes should have starlight or smtg else. I have Canopus, Ray, pole, and link

[livid path]

Hmm... One of them is star Light Enhancement aswell

O wait nvm. Its a stand Alone

[ripe tangle]

Yeah haha it’s a stand alone one but can be part of the trio. Do you have it embedded within your 4 boost nodes?

[livid path]

Yes!

[ripe tangle]

Got it. Thank you 😊

[fading stag]

https://youtu.be/qwY8eIFPb8o?si=KFxqlEqpeCOK06d7

For sia support hard vhilla
Need 1.5 b for 2%

[livid path]

Wow goat!

[ripe tangle]

@jolly cairn Hi, directing the conversation here. Don’t think I can msg you as we’re in different servers 🙂

I just tried Antares + Izar + Sirius preset + Vega (stellar equalize) for FOE. Sirius is almost never getting casted. Is that the suggestion for FOE?

Also, how much exp do you yield from FOE per hour with your preset?

[jolly cairn]

What level are you?

[plucky cypress]

@ripe tangle jumping onto this as well.
I also experienced this as you can see. I recorded it awhile back. Using Clwana's wheel, it was impossible for 2 Sirius to come out.

With the help of some friends, I figured out that for Erda dungeon, you should just make an entirely new wheel using the 3rd preset(assuming 1st and 2nd preset are for mobbing and bossing respectively).

For Erda had 3 presets on my wheel (algol, vega, and sirius), Stellar Equalize Sirius, and Will skill(at lvl 235)
My rates jumped up quite a bit since Sirius burst helps with increasing the clear count per min.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i77yaOBhE-0&t=2s&ab_channel=LoliMSM

small tip but for erda dungeon def have savior circle on auto pet buff as it buffs our constellations by quite a bit.

[jolly cairn]

I'm getting 17,800 kills per hour, the exp is going to be wildly varied depending on level and stat's

[ripe tangle]

I’m level 233

How much exp are you guys getting? Is it possible to push for 3%?

[jolly cairn]

Level dependant, I'm at 248 and getting 2% per hour

[ripe tangle]

Yeah I ended up having 3rd preset, with just caponus, Vega and just Antares with saviour on as auto buff

Ooo I see I see, I’m getting around 2.2-2.3%. Seems like the standard rate is around 2% then

[jolly cairn]

Have you got your Sirius preset with shine as your first skill in the set?

[ripe tangle]

Nope shine is never first

[jolly cairn]

Have you got shine as a separate skill in your wheel?

[ripe tangle]

I think I misunderstood your description earlier. So even Sirius preset is part of another preset, am I right?

[jolly cairn]

Sirius preset is Ray, shine, boom, pole

[ripe tangle]

And to answer your question earlier, yep I’m wearing necro

[jolly cairn]

You don't wanna be casting shine as a separate skill or in any other presets

and I don't like using individual skills, only presents

Having any individual skills in the wheel causes the constellations to get jumbled on ab if things don't time right

[plucky cypress]

i honestly stopped doing erda and its capped rn on minutes. main reason being i really value the mesos from AB.

[plucky cypress]

Exactly this.
So use 3 presets(1 of the presets HAS to be Sirius: ray shine boom pole)
and just stellar equalize sirius as well and youre good.

[jolly cairn]

V valid, helps to have Alts that you can compensate for that AB time with. I get about 1.25%/h on AF and 14m meso/h but if I do 2h with an alt at whatever af is level 215 that compensates for the lost hour of meso farming ab from sia main

Is v convenient to have a bunch of erda time saved up, I don't do it daily. But if I know I'm going to be afk for like 5-10h and it isn't a hot time where I trust the party to stay together I'll throw her in erda

[plucky cypress]

very true as well. ye.. cuz what i do with the mesos is just funnel them towards alts so i can sweep the dailies. slowly but surely that 11k is approaching

[jolly cairn]

Just broke 11k,

the 12k and 13k are daunting af.

[plucky cypress]

ye... the sweeps mid180s are slow.. the 190s are probably like what 5% a day?

[jolly cairn]

4.something% around 194 is the one I remember

I don't sweep, how much is it again?

Meso wise I mean

[ripe tangle]

Yep yep, let me check with you if I’ve got it right:
create one preset Sirius (ray shine boom pole)
Create one preset for Izar.

Then create one preset consisting of (Antares—Izar preset—sirius preset—stellar equalize vega)?

[ripe tangle]

Yeah same losing 2 hours of AB without mesos is a real pain

[plucky cypress]

1.5m

[plucky cypress]

honestly i would run with these
preset 1 Sirius: ray shine boom pole
preset 2 vega: 3x ray 1x link only preset to use link, guarantees vega off link cd
preset 3 algol: 4x boom (in erda, I personally think you'd get more from algol than izar) **[algol would have 100% uptime cuz you'll be spamming boom]

so on a wheel you would have ONLY 3 THREE PRESETS + Stellar Equalize SIRIUS 4 buttons

running izar and vega you gonna run into issues since both use Link. so I would stick with what I just posted above this comment ^

[ripe tangle]

Yeah I’m leaning towards Algol as well

Thanks for the tips guys, appreciate it. Are you Lolli in the video? (Gonna watch the video if it is😂)

[jolly cairn]

Algol vs antares?
4x boom vs 4x ray

I lean towards antares due to the antares having higher damage output and I'm no where near 1-shotting lol

I haven't done refined testing but the impression I got when I switched to antares I was killing faster

Will test out switching the equalise to Sirius and switching izar preset to vega

[jolly cairn]

I worked out the highest meso/Min is running Alts through nett's pyramid, ideally with failing asap.

I don't do this much anymore though as it gives me depression

But you end up with Max 1.25m red meso for about 60s work in ideal settings (you start the pq with 1 other person who can't mob well and then do nothing, letting it fail 10s into round 3). Takes about 130s real avg if you go after the midday hot time and people are filling up quickly and you succeed the pq. But that's still approaching 25-30m an hour

[livid path]

Interessting read guys! Thanks.

Since i had trouble surviving highest af maps. I returned back to a set up from maplemtip.

Used clwana before, i don't see a big diffrence in exp now. But also. Since exp changed im glad with the % i get atm. Htting 249 soon

The one i use now maintains formahault. I Could not do it cwlana.

Also just uses 2 presets. Not ideal. Since then some sepereate skills have to be on the board. Like slexdez said. It can mes up rotatiob

[plucky cypress]

Very scuffed practice mode solo gloom but 1st time!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCIHzuGuAks&ab_channel=LoliMSM

[livid path]

!!! Nice

[plucky cypress]

First Will Clear! Very lucky at the end too 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiEh5zJL1x8&ab_channel=LoliMSM

[livid path]

bro op!

i can just now do solo modes lucied en hdam

[tiny mesa]

are u manual combo-ing ??

[plucky cypress]

Ofc

[tiny mesa]

thats crazy how do u even rmb

[plucky cypress]

When bossing as a sia, it is actually the best method.

Takes time and practice but you can do it too!

[raw trout]

Gzzzz! what are your stats clearing will? 🙂

[plucky cypress]

50m mdc. 230k hp
Granted we had 2 very strong people but everyone did really well(as you can see xd )

[livid path]

Wat do you mean Manual combo?

Like. Its her playstyle to do combo's right

[plucky cypress]

I think they ask because a lot of ppl may honestly just use the presets for bossing AND mobbing(some might even just use 1 wheel)

but ye with Sia, for bossing it is ideal to be using a manual wheel with our 4 main core skills: link, pole, boom, and ray laid out

[livid path]

Ahh i seee. Exactly. Maining is just more learning. Combo's aint that hard with correct set up.

[vague geyser]

wow you were level 232 a month ago and now 251! amazing

[plucky cypress]

Fr haha

[vague geyser]

did u do mostly erda or just af?

[plucky cypress]

af. I need the mesos

[livid path]

Leveling is more easy now. But thats insane haha

[hidden aurora]

I wonder what kind of debuff Sia is going to face in this upcoming rebalancing. The anxiety is real whenever I see "character rebalance".

[livid path]

😂😂😂

I have this too

Maybe someone knows ksms patch?

[turbid rampart]

This is speculated. It’s more of a buff

[plucky cypress]

Kinda 50/50 on this simply because I’m not fond of having even more buttons to press.
Entire front wheel is stacked.

[tiny mesa]

"rebalancing" nerf and buff u at the same time LOL

[livid path]

haha

[livid path]

yea...... i liked the combo style of sia

wait. im wrong there. but now we need to have a space for alchiba and pole

[tiny mesa]

that means manual fusion is a must already or u wont have enough presets

[livid path]

im manual fusing everything

these skills are going on that second page thing of skillwheel

[tiny mesa]

they only said eg, alchiba , idk how many more single constelation does sia have

meaning all of the single ones have thier own button now

probably other than iframes , the other single ones can be put on a preset

[livid path]

Alchiba, sADALMELIK, sadalsuud

now pole can be used to make alot of stuff, including one single constallation for Alchiba.
with this change we get alchiba seperate, but still need to have pole in wheel cause its used for other stuff

and having a i frame or invincible skill on second page isnt ideal....

i hope they give us both both. So cast in constalation or as single.
i can understand that having it in constalation is to hard for some people. making it easier with these buffs/changes to play Sia

[jolly cairn]

bason on the Taiwan stream I briefly looked at, they used pole as a single skill and then 3x ray to make vega
Doesn't look like pole and like are single skill viable anymore, gotta use the seperate button. don't think I'm a fan, but it might work out easier not having to wait that 15s cooldown. tbd with some testing I guess

[blissful crystal]

this is from taiwan's stream, 180s cd instead of 90s..

[livid path]

ohh dang

[livid path]

yes exatly. more skills on the wheel......

[livid path]

dang. that tough

they dont have cd now. only reapplytime for90 sec. meaning some who didnt get buff, can still get it by recasting.
making it fixed 180sec is dirty move

[merry seal]

[plucky cypress]

That is a dirty move

[livid path]

Yea was wondering how op warnns thinks about this.

I think we are getting screwed

[cerulean bough]

Support life hvhilla clear

[turbid rampart]

Op

[livid path]

Enjoy it op. After patch support is done 😂

180 sec cd on iframe and invincible

[livid path]

Alright patchnotes lets see how we get out

[livid path]

This is bad

[turbid rampart]

More cd more lines. Party will be less dependent on us

[livid path]

Yea, depends on wat you are aming for then. I had no problem with being sup. Im far away from being dps too

[unique surge]

GG skill wheel. no space for anything now

[livid path]

I think with some tweeks its possible to put it on wheel. V4 takes over alot of taps/casts. So somewhere i think it should be possible

[unique surge]

you still need 5 slots for ray boom etc

[livid path]

I spam ray the most. And use boom to casts things that go via v4 now. Or arent they doing eveyting via v4

[frosty sparrow]

Hey does anyone know what the sadalsuud changes mean?
“Removed the Boss ATK with buff and crit rate increase effects” and adding (passive) boss attack and crit rate

[livid path]

Always on ba and cr

[frosty sparrow]

Does that mean it’s no longer just added when we turn on salasuud but instead it’s there all the time throughout bossing even if we don’t turn on sadalsuud?

[livid path]

Yes

[frosty sparrow]

But the party won’t get it right

[livid path]

Yea

[frosty sparrow]

Now it’s still a party buff

[livid path]

It is?

[frosty sparrow]

They really trying to make Sia not a supoort class

If it’s passive I don’t know how it will buff the party

[livid path]

I thought sadal wass Character only

[tiny mesa]

even if v4 does auto buff u still need the same buttons for other things no?

[frosty sparrow]

Party at the moment. If it’s turning to passive I’m guessing the party effect is gone

[livid path]

No its single

[frosty sparrow]

Ooo is it? The party part is just for revival?

[livid path]

Yes

[frosty sparrow]

Ah I see

[frosty sparrow]

Having it as a passive is a gain I think. I’ll take it although it’s upsetting that the cool-down increased so much to 3 minutes

[livid path]

You get star blessing increase x and y.

You and party gets death rebirth

Sadalsuud also 180 sec?

[frosty sparrow]

120sec

What’s the point I level up to 30 then 😥

I leveled up for the 60 second effect

Wait no I did it for the buff but now it’s passive

But still getting it to level 30 just for a 120sec cool-down isn’t ideal

[livid path]

Yea

They dont change the rebirth skil?

[frosty sparrow]

What do you guys think about this rebalance for Sia?

[frosty sparrow]

They change it in the sense that you cannot have it as stellar equalise

So you basically can’t keep using sadalsuud for the team as support

[livid path]

Yea. Havent used it in that way for a while now.

When they changed the last time, it was to dificult and not worth to keep it there

Due to equalize having a cd and short runtime from the skill it self. You could do like 2 saved lives in one rotation, than 1 in the other, and 2 again.

[frosty sparrow]

Yeah I usually don’t stellar equalise sadalsuud for my bossing team either so it’s okay

The cool-down down is more of a problem for alchiba and sadalmelik

[livid path]

Im 50/50 on this update. Like the lines, not that fan of More cooldoown times.

And im just sad about them changing the one thing specific about sia. The stellargram and how to play combos

[frosty sparrow]

I feel the same I actually like manual combining and casting sadalsuud, sadalmelik, and alchiba. No problems with it

For players playing Sia it’s pretty much like memorised

Every rebalance gives me anxiety lol

[livid path]

Yea... Maybe for anchor.

Shine change is also a big f.u to players

15 sec instead of 30

[sullen roost]

You could make presets for wolf and anchor and free up 2 slots on the skill wheel as rest is covered by v4. But that takes out all the fun of her gameplay

[livid path]

Yea this

I was thinking about it too

Already thought of dumping boom. I dont cast the whale thing when bossing.

Formahault and buffs get via v4.

Pole is for anchor.

But then need boom for seriius. So that would create a problem.

Making a preset is actually smart

[turbid rampart]

A new preset for AB is needed. Clwana preset will become obsolete

[livid path]

It is?

How so?

[plucky cypress]

Thoughts on the patch?
I hate we have to press 3 more buttons (most likely having to hit the back page now) so technically 4 LMAO.

The passive buffs were super nice.

Another support gut patch though. Once they done with us Lynn is next 🤣

[dense comet]

Wow nooooo

More lines? How many?

[livid path]

Anchor first att 33 >45 and more dmg

Thats quite a buff

[livid path]

Wdym with passive buffs?

[plucky cypress]

Hourglass buffs are now our passive

So we have to go to back page for hourglass, Alchiba, and melik.

Such a horrible change..
Should’ve kept the comboing the same.. incentivizes players who actually took the time to learn combos, to learn when to stop attacking for a sec to pop the utility.

If they just tryna make constellation skills one button, I wouldn’t be surprised if sia gets revamped to look like gms’ Sia. 0 comboing needed. No brain needed.

[livid path]

100% this

I liked the niche of combo in this class

[livid path]

Can atleast speak about it

[plucky cypress]

Honestly we are just going to have to adjust.. at least we still need to combo Canopus and Sirius.
Argument can be made that the utility nerf just means ppl need to be on their game since cooldowns are so long now.

[livid path]

Yea

Im alrigh with that

[turbid rampart]

We’re 3 months away from v6 so really this is just temporary and then everything will change again. It is what it is. More lines horray!

[livid path]

The change about death and rebirth was someting we overcame too

But them messing with combo styling is such. Bleh

[plucky cypress]

6th job ain’t a bunch of new skills or w.e tho. Just origin, hexa skills enhancing current skills. Etc.

They’re trying to make it easier for the average player to pick up the class

[livid path]

The fact that pole reset formahault and bella was already a thing, to make things easier

Now they just bring it ro next level

[plucky cypress]

So if I read that right capella duration cant be reset from constellation skills anymore?

[livid path]

Yea i cant put my finger on it too

[turbid rampart]

Yup they reverted what they did a couple patches ago

[livid path]

Wat the hell is star reversion

[turbid rampart]

[plucky cypress]

Basically resetting cd of capella.. but Capella is 90s duration..
And savior is 120s cd.
So that means we have 30s of Capella downtime assuming you pop savior off cd(unrealistic)

I’m so confused.. will have to test post patch but I hope that’s not case

Capella buff is minimal but a buff is still a buff.

[limpid hatch]

I blame that one dude who was posting in feedback forever that Sia too complicated and need single activation skills

[livid path]

Lets find him. Hahh

[limpid hatch]

[plucky cypress]

When I picked up sia.. especially with pole extending durations, the class was extremely easy to pick up :((
Yeah sad changes indeed.

I seriously hope our Capella is still 100% uptime otherwise that’s a huge oversight on their part.. a random 30s downtime on a passive buff doesn’t make sense

With Savior, Capella will be 3 min duration but the games expecting us to pop savior off cd or something which just isn’t ideal for bosses.

60s window to pop savior again before Capella goes away.
What they could’ve done was just move savior’s extra hit bonuses and make them the normal hit count.
For example Sirius, anchor, etc
And then savior becomes an all in one buff button.

Cuz for us savior is crucial for BURST and buffs

[livid path]

I hope capella is now a toggle of toggle on skill..... Since they removed the recast with vega etc

[plucky cypress]

Looks like it won't be as itll be activated when popping Savior. After 1st Savior, theres a 60s grace period until the buffs go away so theres our window to pop it again. 60s isn't much time esp for some boss where youre constantly switching rooms like Will or doing tests.

[plucky cypress]

any1 here not touching grass 😮

Sirius Hit Count 32 -> 34
Canopus First Atk Count 33-> 45
Antares First Atk Count 4 -> 6
Antares Bubble Hit Count 2->3
wish i remembered the total amt of hits we get from each Antares and Sirius so I could figure out just how much of a dmg increase we got in terms of lines :/

Also hoping Mana Overload costing 0.5% additional MP instead of 2% is a game changer.. cuz not having it slotted is just -15% FD :/

[dense comet]

What mana is now 0.5??

You need to reset skills and leave the shield skill to 1

[plucky cypress]

its in the patch notes.

[merry seal]

why does mana overload still apply to our teleport

[plucky cypress]

nooo relaly?!

[turbid rampart]

Need to put that in QoL or put in ticket or bug. It’s not supposed to be

[plucky cypress]

any1 else testing the new stuff?

[turbid rampart]

have to get used to pressing those new buttons.

-.-

[plucky cypress]

ye.. i hate pressing that button to access the back wheel the most.

cuz its so easy to fat finger there.

[frosty sparrow]

Is there any passive hyper skills worth resetting for this update?

Given that they’re providing free hyper skill reset scroll

[plucky cypress]

do yall even bother using Algol for ab?

[rose echo]

is it possible to have both Sirius and Canopus activated during AB now?

[final phoenix]

I do. I feel like it’s helpful for bigger maps like 770.

[plucky cypress]

ah trueee

[turbid rampart]

need to make new ab wheel. to make using the skills more efficient.

[turbid rampart]

So what’s the verdict hourglass now has 120sec cd?

[plucky cypress]

yup trash

[dense comet]

Good question

[livid path]

That was always possible

This was pre patch Battleground test. No buffs.

Boss def on 15%
That one below it 5%

Ill do another one later today

[livid path]

Yea that mana overload one was a silent update

[plucky cypress]

I’d need to test in weekly bosses but ye I’m hoping I could just keep it on and not run out of mp (prior to patch I’d run out of mp even if I didn’t get hit at all.. like in dojo)

[livid path]

Yea

[plucky cypress]

15% fd is a lot of stat to ignore

[livid path]

If anyone has figured a new ab, would you like to share? ❤️

Ill try some things too. But im not great

First will check if its really needed tho

[torpid pagoda]

0.0 which teleport

[plucky cypress]

Teleport cost mana.
Patch said teleport won’t be affected by mana overloads mp increase.
But it apparently still is.
Lots of bugs in this patch. Expecting a few midnight maintenances coming.

[merry seal]

yes that teleport still costs extra mp

[torpid pagoda]

This one?

Ohhh ok saw it in the patch note

[torpid pagoda]

Or maybe it gets worse with V6

[raw trout]

They need the option to let us choose between comboing or having the skills separate...

[livid path]

Yea. Toggle on Toggle off

Gj nexon

Putting the class you hate the most on front page

[rose echo]

Antares

[wide crest]

can you do another one with 3 minute ?

[livid path]

With my current ab set up.

I don't notice any abnormaliities.

Also a good deal of time i my exp node, dhs and rope were not active.

Lv252 af 770 no other exp boosters used

i do use Mpet.

[clever kraken]

Can i have the recent ab skill wills ? Thanks in advance

[worthy sigil]

Am I missing something here? After patch, I can't recast the hourglass thing.

I normally use Sirius -> Shine -> another Sirius

[tiny mesa]

hourglass and hat is thier own button now

[worthy sigil]

Ok what a relief, thought I was getting nerfed hard.

[tiny mesa]

u should look up the patch notes and see what changed

#game-news

[livid path]

Ooo man. I need to practice so hard to not do this

Did some bosses completly out of bounce due to shine being placed on the gram instead of casting sadalduud

[livid path]

And sadalmelik

[plucky cypress]

I give msm 1 year until they revamp us to pc version of sia.

[merry seal]

just give us pc sia. no comboing at all less buttons to press

[livid path]

Nooooooo

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

@merry seal wdy think about this patch?

Also, i totaly forgot about the constellation enhancement. There is one that makes capella buff 180sec.

You will give up 5% extra fd...

Its min maxing between up time burst and fd?

So 90 sec becomes 180

Since its a multiple of 90, i guess the problem still arrise, but just later? 😅

[dense comet]

Solo multi-player lotus, I couldn't do that before and ark too

And I was nerfed because I removed the points from my vmatrix trio

[merry seal]

i feel like we're in this weird in between where half our skills are combos and the other half are separate buttons

i do like the changes to our v4 but everything else is kinda bad

[plucky cypress]

Well savior grants us both constellation enhancements

[plucky cypress]

I’d just return to pc of they do. Sol Janus/dusk training pretty chill these days and they have afk p2w exp rooms now with competitive rates

[plucky cypress]

if any1 has any1 sia fog tests done and are willing to share the results plz put them here! I'm going to see if i can run some tests later and it would be cool to compare results

[plucky cypress]

running line count test for sia

so disappointing LOL

2 mins im at around 15.5-15.6k
Lmk if any1 has hit 16k and knows some hidden tech.

[clever kraken]

Can i have the recent ab skill wills ? Thanks in advance

[merry seal]

after bossing i actually like the separate buttons as unpopular as it is

you can use cup or hat without clearing stellagram

and now you can hourglass whenever whereas before you have to time it with your burst. but theres a bug right now where hourglass still makes shine go on cooldown

the cooldown increase really sucks though

im getting around 15% more dps in bosses. 5% more in guild honor battle. cause i can cap easier with mana overload and more v skill slots

[turbid rampart]

hows the hp drain in vhilla? better than before?

[dense comet]

I think it's more than 15% for me way more

[merry seal]

still cant use mana overload in vhilla at least for me i run out of mp

[turbid rampart]

how bout other common v skills? still a drain or manageable?

that sucks dk why they didnt just do away with hp drain it makes no sense.

[plucky cypress]

Savior buffs being a passive was also huge
Permanent 25% ba and crit.
The crit is extremely noticeable for ab.. I have like 95% crit

[plucky cypress]

I used to run out of mp with mana overload during dojo without getting hit but now I’m not.
Honestly I can’t if it’s cuz mana overload is good now or if it’s cuz we got buffed so I clear faster

[merry seal]

i dont really notice the drain

ive always used v skill though

[torpid pagoda]

Hourglass consumed still puts shine in cooldown…

This is not right

I think it’s a bug / they forgot about this

This restriction should be removed

[merry seal]

yes i think they forgot. i already reported it

my culvert went from 235k to 286k with less ied from the event

[torpid pagoda]

I haven’t tried yet. I make so many mistakes when playing, still getting used to things

[livid path]

Yea.true. But need to place it on a wheel thats full.

Also the 180 sec cd is just wild. Way to long

[livid path]

Should it yes?

Wont be surprise if this is jusr ' normal'

[livid path]

Illl do mine later today!

[plucky cypress]

Ye expecting a few more overnight “updates”

what emblem ratio is every1 running with btw ba:cd

[merry seal]

i dont think ratio matters at this point. it might have mattered years ago

[plucky cypress]

ahh ok ye i actually have all cd but honestly im thinking about swapping over to some BAs just cuz.

[merry seal]

5. Fixed an issue where Sia’s “Stellar XII - Sadalsuud” buff caused the cooldown of the “Shine” skill to change to 30 seconds upon ending

[light kiln]

Mind if i ask what hyper passive to take for mob farming?

[livid path]

1min and 3 min

@plucky cypress

[wide crest]

Can i have full 3 min ba ?

How many hit counts did you do

[livid path]

Were to check?

[wide crest]

Can you screenshot the rest skill in the 3 min battle analysis

Then i can using calculator to count total hit count

[livid path]

Ahhh uhhh

Ill do it again. I cant find the history of this fight

[wide crest]

Thank you

You cannot find history of mu lung test

[livid path]

Did more in the other 3 min haha

But yea. Should do multiple times to make a good averga

Average

[wide crest]

23794
Deepseek sponsored

[livid path]

?

[wide crest]

Total hit count

[livid path]

Alright. Ty

Dont know if thats high tho haha

Just my fight for my life

[sullen roost]

I got 8.579 in 1min
15.537 in 2 min
24.101 in 3min
Seems a bit below straight dps classes which feels somewhat fair as we still have some bit of utility left

[ancient prawn]

I can use mana overload in hilla and will n Archon now without going to 0 mp

I didn’t have mana issues in hilla before. It was mainly will n Archin, esp Archon p2 when he dashes around. I have always used mana overload.

.

[torpid pagoda]

yeah + 1 to this. In Vhilla I don’t have mana issue mostly

In archon I seem to get hit more and consume more mana

[ancient prawn]

I’m pretty unhappy w the nerf but it’s the new meta.
I wish they gave us more hourglass duration or allow us to Rez 2 instead of 3 people wirh hourglass to compensate, since I did use equalize hourglass before which did Rez up a lot of people.
But most importantly, I feel like they need to give us 2 min cd on cup n hat. Most classes have a party wide iframe with 2 min cd and iframe isnt a unique skill. I’d consider split and tl to be unique, so having them at 3 min and 5 min makes more sense. On top of that, it was changed so most of the iframe that got cooldown increased also got more duration. We did not get that.
I’m not asking for a buff to our iframe, rather bringing it in line with most classes iframe currently after the iframe change this patch. If someone can voice this in feedback, I’d love to thumb up.

[torpid pagoda]

Do you use PE or mana potion for your pet slot…?

[plucky cypress]

This entire time I was running formalhaut dmg reduction constellation no wonder I never died

[livid path]

Guess it aint bad at all

@limpid hatch good feedback on qol. Ty!

[merry seal]

this entire time i didnt know you could use normal mp potion in vhilla

[plucky cypress]

What’s the min req for normal vhilla 😮 mdc n hp?

[livid path]

Lollllll

[livid path]

Im not even allowed to think about this. So so so far away 🤣

[merry seal]

team needs to average 150m mdc. hp is as much as you can get. requirements are lower if you have a lot of practice or can lie about how good sia support is still is

[plucky cypress]

Wym we still good

[livid path]

Hahahahah the liess

[plucky cypress]

The jump from will to vhilla is no joke

[livid path]

Wat is needed for will even?

[torpid pagoda]

Still marginally better than no Sia on the team

[livid path]

Ill never leave sia. I rather quit

[dense comet]

This man spitting 🔥

[ancient prawn]

My Sirius no matter what I do is always roughly 6250 line.

Anyone else have this issues?

[plucky cypress]

I’ll look back on my tests but yeah Sirius values fluctuating sucks

[ancient prawn]

Was comparing n warnn got 6385. All my test I consistently get 6250 or less. Wondering if I’m doing something wrong.

V4 > equalize > Sirius. So all of Sirius line should benefit from v4. And the next Sirius + equalize combo should do the same.

[plucky cypress]

I’m also averaging 6250.

[frosty sparrow]

Which boss is this hit count for?

[plucky cypress]

We testing hit counts on dummy

[final phoenix]

Could it be the hyper difference? The hypers are always weird

With the xtra line etc

Also adi which I assume yall have maxed

[turbid rampart]

I think they are only counting serious and equalizer

[final phoenix]

Ahh makes sense

[vague geyser]

from what i noticed, capella buff stays active because saviour applies both constellations

[plucky cypress]

Ye if any has had any results scoring higher than ~6250 hit counts for Sirius and equalizer 2 mins plz share

[livid path]

How to calculate? The equalize, x2 if you use it twice?

[livid path]

I cant event get to 3000 hitcount. Idk why

Always 2300 lol

[livid path]

If i do this. Also 2300

[ancient prawn]

It has to be over 2 min.

Not just 1 burst

[livid path]

Yea. Im doing 2 minute on the fog

I get one v4 and two sirius and equalize.

[plucky cypress]

Pop v4 before Sirius and equalize

[turbid rampart]

Prep shine into Sirius, then pop v4 then finish combo—>sirius then equalizer to maximize dmg

[plucky cypress]

I just do v4 equalize preset and then combo Sirius

[turbid rampart]

Preset used by ab combo. Wish they gave more

[livid path]

Yea doing this 🤣

[plucky cypress]

damn.

[livid path]

Weird eh

[plucky cypress]

can u send a screenshot here.

wait

@livid path make sure your constellation skill enhancement for sirius is on Full Moon on not Dignity

[livid path]

Oh maybe thats it. Let me check

[plucky cypress]

pretty sure thats it.

[livid path]

Yea was on dignity. Ill do another run later!

With full mon

[dense comet]

Over 2 min and you multiply by 2?

How dp they get to 6000 its supposed to be the same amount of lines no matter who do it what the hel

I get 4500 if i take into account sirius plus eq

[livid path]

Yea @dense comet check the constellation serius. Put it on full moon and you will be flying

When i have it on dignity i get +-2300

On equalize and sirius.

When full moon its this

6331

[dense comet]

I was on full moon strange enough ty

I did 63125

[livid path]

Yea so 3325 for equalizer and sirius

[plucky cypress]

@ancient prawn he also his 6300+

[livid path]

Mean 6325

[plucky cypress]

this is funny af

luka and I both have Sirius-Full Moon and we dont even see 3200 hit count. We under 3150. ive tested like 5-10 times too.

@dense comet @livid path do yall mind doing multiple tests if yall have time and see if the average is still 6300-ish?

[livid path]

Ill do a few

[dense comet]

I'm on it 🫡

[plucky cypress]

cuz me and Luka avging 6250 and yall avging 6350.. ye it aint much but thats also 100 burst lines every 2 min. when doing min-clears, culvert, etc, it definitely matters.

also, id love to know how yall are popping it.
like do u use a preset
for ex: my preset is: Savior->Equalize Sirius->Goddess->Will. Then combo regular Sirius. but Savior is still active so I should be getting the full bonuses on my 2 siriuses

Extra brownie points if yall can do a quick recording, but no need to stress on this if u cant

[dense comet]

I dont use any preset i do everything manually so shine is used

Let me prep mentally to make some gems

[plucky cypress]

I appreciate yall helping out with this. ❤️

I have recordings of my #s but I'm going to try and click the support Sirius buff and back to the Full Moon buff and see if that changes anything. Nexon spaghetti coding has me needing to try all possiblities.

[livid path]

Im not hitting that anymore

I did it right after gfb

Is there maybe a buff?

Driftent

First two are only set up vmatrix as before patch. So les spots.

Then two with more vmatrix filled. And last one is also attacinf like i do bosses

[plucky cypress]

see now youre getting what I was getting.

[livid path]

Yea

[plucky cypress]

im so confused as to what is causing this difference in #s

[livid path]

Weird

[sullen roost]

What lvl boss are you using? The higher the lvl the more lines are gonna be lost to misses. That said I used lv1 boss and still only got 6180 lines

[plucky cypress]

its gotta be like server lag/ping/latency. staying on the map and attacking for even 0.1 more sec would make a difference. who knows tho.

[ancient prawn]

Yea could be that 1 tick of dmg makes the difference

[livid path]

All my tests now do between 6100-6250 +-

[plucky cypress]

have u been inside the fog training ground the entire time? maybe leave and come back and see if that changes anything. games dooky man.

[livid path]

Didnt leave a sec yea. Left and entered. 6260.

So staying, and maybe a little bit ping etc makes a dif

I play eu scania. Im in the netherlands

[plucky cypress]

just leave every time u finish a test. when u re-enter it resets your cds

ye i play na scania SoCal and some reason my numbers are off. honestly who knows

[plucky cypress]

ayy niceee.

[dense comet]

Im just getting warmed up

[plucky cypress]

Rigged.

Gonna lag my game to sneak and extra frame.

[turbid rampart]

U can even pre Sirius like the old days and do three Sirius summons

[frosty sparrow]

Do you all put full moon for Sirius when bossing? Or dignity?