Battle Mage

[dire holly]

Reroll

I don’t have Evan but they’re quite strong due to them having high skill damage

[unborn vale]

Tough choice from lvl221 now 🤣

Only 3 more v3 levels and all my v skills maxed

[night grotto]

I rerolled away from bam to fpm and I think it’s better to just stick to bam bc one patch can change your entire class

[unborn vale]

I’m hoping v4 is nice on msm for bam

[night grotto]

I think it’ll work very similarly to nws hyper

But iframes is super nice

[unborn vale]

Ohh i dont know the NW hyper ill check it out

[night grotto]

I do miss bam tho 🥹

[unborn vale]

I guess we’ll always have FOMO of other class

[hallow isle]

I noticed bam forum chat group quite active compare to other classes haha

[outer crane]

😂😂 very good

[dawn python]

Misery loves company

Are we mid tier mage now or still bottom barrel?

[unborn vale]

I think we are mid tier?

I seem to place pretty well in Ark/Lotus compared to others

[cosmic ice]

We ain't gonna be a part of the next rebalance 😢

[hallow isle]

Is this skill any use to us? They lower the mp consumption

[compact steeple]

Not to say a must equip, but it comes in handy for certain situation

[unborn vale]

I haven’t used it yet

Not sure when to use it 🤣

[cosmic ice]

Used it untill I learnt how to dodge Nmag.. beside that nope

We need

1. Burst skill , our hyper isn't a burst (for me it's just lowering my dps if I use it)

2. Any Iframe

[unborn vale]

I think our v4 is an iframe

Apparently

I would love to see our hyper skill improved somehow though. Maybe just more lines

[dawn python]

V3 burst mode in the form of da v3 burst mode. Ie constant attack instead of periodic attack with 20% duration of normal mode. This turns our v3 into a burst skill. Either have a toggle on the skill page or down arrow + skill press to trigger. All plus no minus in my eyes.

[unborn vale]

Hey @outer crane

Do you not use Dark Genesis? 👀

For bossing

[outer crane]

Yes

[unborn vale]

Oh ok

I didnt see in your Lotus video today

BaM carry nice though

[outer crane]

Almost T1

[unborn vale]

I have BaM help question for guild honour battle

How do you guys do it ( if you do? )
Mainly for multi target.. my pb is 260bn but today i hit 210bn and yesterday 195…

Same full buffs after Ark and started with all buff skills etc and v1

Do you turn battle rage off?

[rancid estuary]

yes deifnitely turn it off cus octopos is like 5 targets or soemthing i don’t remmeber but it’s deifnitely more than 3 targets

[sharp sable]

4 targets

but yeah GHB and GD bosses don't have defense so shouldn't worry too much about battle rage being off for multitarget

[unborn vale]

This makes a lot of sense

[sharp sable]

GHB more about optimizing movement/altars/summons throughout the minute

[unborn vale]

Yea altars probably the biggest difference if we misplace them

[sharp sable]

260b is pretty huge tho damn ngl, grats man

seems like you got it down pat

[unborn vale]

[sharp sable]

how long does infantry/v3 last?

[unborn vale]

30s at lvl1?

Infantry last longer every 5 levels

V3 cooldown reduces every 5

[sharp sable]

nice yeah

[unborn vale]

Max v3 is 30s on / 60s cd

I think..

[sharp sable]

hmmm for v3 i would wait to place it until GHB monster reaches the end

and infantry same thing (if not max level)

[unborn vale]

Yea definitely so we dont have to move

Need to remember to switch of battle rage

[sharp sable]

yeah altars are way more tough though. i think placing them on shorter platforms might be better?

there's gotta be some prime spots so that it hits most of the time for the 30s theyre up

[unborn vale]

I started doing 1 at a time but it is probably worse

[sharp sable]

hmmm yeaaa i thought about that but idk if it's worth to do that

cause you'd sacrifice FB/aura scythe hits

[unborn vale]

Otherwise I sometimes summon all 4 and they land the wrong side 😅

[sharp sable]

if you go last/second in ghb there's a way to tell which direction monster is gonna head in

[unborn vale]

Going to try better tomorrow

Keep losing to this one guy

Really annoying 🤣

[sharp sable]

just checked @unborn vale, infantry is +2.5s per 5 levels, so 45s duration at max level. So I'd summon infantry when there's 45s left (or less if lower level) on a platform nearer the "sky" (i.e. far from the water, so it can attack boss for longer, since it stays on top level for 10-15s vs always rising). Same thing for v3 except you can summon it at 30s in (since duration doesn't change with levels). But v3 AoE is pretty big so can probably get away with summoning it in halfway through the sky/water (i.e. mid platform). Hope this helps lmk how it goes

for v2 idk... maybe move to the end of the map where it's gonna head, pop an altar, then move back to the beginning popping altars along the way? before it spawns of course. idk that one's tricky lol.

also, dont jump at all. just attack and tp mid-attack animation. you probably do this already i assume. try to avoid moving as much as possible too (unless it's to position yourself to hit all four targets). sucks they changed tp (not long ago) to be directly horizontally/vertically instead of landing on nearest platform.

just thinking of ways to maximize GHB dps hahah

[dire holly]

It’s better to go first as bam

There are must better platforms for v2 there

[sharp sable]

where's there?

the map is the same whether you go first or second

[dire holly]

Yes

[dire holly]

Yes

When you go first you always push the boss to the right side

On the right side, there are better platforms for using v2

There are two ideal platforms that are long enough to place all 4 altars

[sharp sable]

oh i swear i thought it was random

oh the monster is random not the direction

so 1st always goes right, 2nd always goes left?

i haven't done GHB in so long, pls fix cannoneer

[dire holly]

Yup!

[dire holly]

Bammoneer?

[unborn vale]

Oh interesting i think my best scores are from going first too

Didn’t even look at platforms

[outer crane]

[unborn vale]

[hallow isle]

Hacker xD

[tiny wharf]

May i know the pros and cons of battle mage compared to the other staff classes and any tips! Planning to cut my equipment over to main. Thanks!

[unborn vale]

Join us

Pros: OP teleport which we can do while attacking, makes dodging attacks v easy / auras and shield pretty useful for you & party in bossing (and speed aura for farming)
With various summon skills we are almost always doing damage to enemies

Cons: squishy with lower lvl gear as no magic guard
No burst (not necessarily a con) but we do more steady dps
To be best BaM after 200 you need to get your v1 to a high level as well as boost nodes (as v1 is a buff to our main attack). When v1 is down the dps drops off a bit

[tiny wharf]

Thanks for the reply! Is tele casting still a must like last time ?

[unborn vale]

No not at all, especially after 200 as our v2 places the brand on the enemy now

[hallow isle]

Pro : bam forum very active compare to other jobs, most of them are helpful in providing guide and tips, any questions on BAM js post here and u will definitely get a reply!!

[dire holly]

Pro: the battle mage population is small so you could probably get top 3 in mu lung if you’re decently geared; just don’t play in NA Scania

Cons: If you plan to chase damage then this is the wrong class for that

[unborn vale]

Lol true on damage - we can hope

[tiny wharf]

thanks! what the definition of chasing damage tho haha because i really thinking hard between either fire poison or battle mage

i think most staff class aint top dps right haha

also i dun really like evan hahaha

[unborn vale]

Like the class that will be doing most damage in bosses for the same type of gears

I think fpm > bam for damage, but they have a lot of boost skills so you need lots of slots

[tiny wharf]

ahh got it how about bam supportive compatibility tho for end end game bosses

[unborn vale]

Our buffs are pretty good party boost for damage/speed/def but I think it is a bit lost in terms of its support

Doesnt know if its support or dps

[dire holly]

Support is bad

If you think you’re going to get invited to runs just because of your “support” skills, then you will be heavily disappointed

Even Sia is better

End game support is basically non-existent because players will already hit cap without bam buffs so the only thing they may utilize is the 10% speed and occasional heal

Other supports (bishops, phantoms, and paladins) are prioritized first, then it’s dps

So, realistically there are no other slots for the support role, meaning you have to focus on damage; and how are we in that area? Doing better than before but still not great

[unborn vale]

Preach

https://tenor.com/view/amen-anchorman-will-ferrell-gif-10865461

[cosmic ice]

is there a way to "hold for cast" to not stomp that attack skill ?

[unborn vale]

Unfortunately spamming only

https://tenor.com/view/typing-cute-laptop-cat-speed-gif-16291110

[dire holly]

Be glad you’re not a blaze wizard

[unborn vale]

Do you think it would be fair to ask for our v3 to attack slightly quicker / and increase lines on Sweeping staff?

Feel like v3 up for 30 seconds but isn’t as good as a burst style v3 (same cool downs on the skills like the FPM one)

[dawn python]

Increase lines on sweeping staff and/or a reduction in animation time. Make it at least as fast as our v1 so that we aren’t losing dps using it. Of course my stance on v3 is very clear. Hehe give it a burst mode will be the comprehensive solution to our needs (mobbing vs bossing)

While we are at it. How about increase dg casting animation speed as well? I think top BaMs don’t even use it on wheel. But just for the passive effect due to slow animation.

[unborn vale]

True it is a slow one’

[sharp sable]

If you time it right you can use it in many scenarios (right before boss spawns, during DR, right before boss finishes an iframe i.e. in Magnus, lotus, damien). Pretty sure @outer crane does this. If you ask to increase DG animation casting speed you'll be reducing our bossing dps even further

[dire holly]

Like I have said before, I have advocated for 72 lines on sweeping staff

This is not new

And people thought I was crazy for wanting such a change

[dawn python]

I disagree. That’s like a few shots per boss run. Minimal increase in bossing dps. If dg animation can be sped up to match v1. Then can be used in a bossing preset. Then it’s more dps and most importantly easy to attain dps.

[outer crane]

What’s the issue?😂😂😂

[unborn vale]

I guess we mean reduce dg casting animation time

I’ve been tempted to take sweeping staff off my preset with finishing blow

Although its sort of useful for AoE on lotus bots..

But you can get caught doing sweeping staff trying to teleport and get stuck 🤣

Only V3 to go

(For main skills…)

[sharp sable]

Phantomrific doesn't think using DG is good for maximizing dps . A few shots per boss run could mean the difference between #1 and #2 dps, something he wouldn't understand. He just wants to reduce DG casting speed to improve his farming .

Even if DG animation is sped up to v1 speed you'd never sacrifice a v1 hit over DG

[outer crane]

It’s better you use DG while farming

https://youtu.be/dolQYiwH3UE?si=A20OJsMkuv0IeobR

Take a look at this video

[sharp sable]

Oh no we're talking about using DG during bossing

It's good if you time it right

[unborn vale]

Anyone tested dps with sweeping staff and without?

I imagine it’s exactly the same

[outer crane]

I thought you said farming lol

If bossing, I suggest not yo use DG

*to

I’ve tested before

[sharp sable]

I thought you said you used it during bossing

Only in special circumstances

[unborn vale]

👀

Interesting

Good for Lotus bombs though surely?

[outer crane]

No no no

Lol

Go try it with and without DG
Without DG has about 700 lines more than with it

[dire holly]

I don’t even use it anymore

[dire holly]

This is the exact reason I took this off

[unborn vale]

I will be removing then ! Usually gets my in floor 42 mu lung when you go to teleport and it does sweeping staff

[dawn python]

The slow animation speed of dg means less v1 and or other faster attacks. It’s basically you are on pause while dg animates. That’s why dg is no good while bossing. I also place value on ease of doing dps. Dg aoe is a little bit helpful when needing to clear mobs in tougher boss runs I imagine. I don’t have experience there. Given Dg is a small nuke attack with a decently long cd, I don’t think it’s too much to ask for its dmg to be on par with v1 for a given time frame. Then the bossing preset can include it without trade off.

And same for our 170. We need that one animate faster and more lines. I don’t recall many classes literally forget 170 in order to do more dps.

[dire holly]

cough sweeping staff cough

As of right now, if you’re concerned about the current state of dg in bossing, I would recommend you not use it at all to avoid dps drops

As far as I know, no one should be using dark Genesis in bossing; it only serves as a skill that adds passive additional lines

[dawn python]

Llama is probably bossing on pc since he can precisely control movements and attacks. Thus he’s usually ok or even desire intricate bossing patterns to maximize dps. I wouldn’t be surprised that he misses telecasting.

[dire holly]

Let me repeat myself

No one should be using dg in bossing

[unborn vale]

I removed DG and Sweeping staff from bossing wheel recently

Life is easier

[dire holly]

If you observe other players on other classes, they determine which moves should be used and which should be removed in order to deal the most dps

If, one day, dg is buffed and it proves to be strong enough to be added back into the skill rotation, then great! But as of right now we have to play by the so called “meta” and keep Dark Genesis off of our bossing wheel

[unborn vale]

Nice - i had it on my wheel for lotus just for robots but maybe not even worth that

But yea always hope for some skill changes (buffs..) for us

[unborn vale]

Am i right you hit 8k in culvert Restore? I just did under 7k and remember we were quite similar stats (me lower)

Stuck on around 18.5m mdc until i can pass an inherit or find 1500 legion

[dire holly]

Yea @unborn vale

[dire holly]

You have more mdc than me, but I don’t think mdc matters too much in the later stages

[unborn vale]

Yea true more dmg stats i guess

Your CP is nearly 100k more than me so i bet your stats are much better still

With bossing nodes on

Waiting for powder for my glove to get back to 18.5 mdc

[dawn python]

I’m going to remove dg and 170 soon from bossing wheel. Pretty sad we can’t even use 170. But consistent feel while bossing is super important. Unwanted “lag”/slow animation skill can be killer.

[dawn python]

I mean what he described does work in theory if you can time it right each time. I have to give him that.

[dire holly]

It's mostly inflated by hp. My boss atk % when buffed is like 280%

[sharp sable]

Nah I don't boss on pc. Always on mobile

Only reason I say it it's cause you could easily do that with nautilus (for pirates) since activation time is long af. Bit harder to do with bam but still do-able.

[dawn python]

Maybe the solution is reduce the “lock” from attack animation. Ie we can go on to trigger other attacks while the effect of dg goes off in a slow motion movie. The main complaint is the length of the attack lock in the skill sequence.

[sharp sable]

Oh like lowering the backswing animation. Yeah that's a good solution lol.

Yeah that's different than the casting animation

Same thing with 170 they should reduce both

[cosmic ice]

Lol pretty sure anyone else would hype to get this , I got no use for it 😅

Maybe I'll use it once for culv to see if and how much it effects my score (currently quitting after 4.1k forax reward and skill issue for keep dying/not wanting to drop resources on staying alive)

[unborn vale]

Yea you need it to go over 4100

And for mu lung floors over 40 it helps (and Ark/Lotus if you do those)

[smoky fjord]

Wow speedos you got stronger. You been putting in that work

[unborn vale]

[unborn vale]

Question about DG again

Two Unbuff runs vs a crimson queen level boss analysis… one DG and one without. DG run was higher dps, but possibly because I’m Unbuff and not capping? I completely forgot to count the lines …

But for 21 less finishing blow hits, I get the 900 DG hits/dmg?

[dawn python]

That implies dg 1x gets (915-874)/2=20hits. I think the main issue is that unbuffed, ad hits are just much lower dmg per line. But buffed stat probably means you are capping those. But more surprising is the fact that you were only able to fit in one additional fd in place of two dg. Perhaps you should do a 3min run to reduce the run to run variance.

[unborn vale]

Good idea I’ll do a 3 min one to check

[sharp sable]

did u do DG before the totem spawned? if so nice

but also very strange that your grim harvest/grim contract had slightly different # of hits

and altar

[unborn vale]

Yea just hit it right before spawn probably need to do the test a few times to be consistent

[sharp sable]

oh wait i see

DG lightning proc is +4 hits

wait nvm ignore me

and one DG cast is +16 hits, so +20 makes sense

i honestly think doing more 3 minute runs will introduce more variance cause your finger will get tired, if we're just trying to see if casting DG before boss spawns > not casting DG at all

just do a bunch of 1-minute runs and see if you can consistently hit the same amount of FB's in that minute than without casting DG

[dawn python]

As llama proposed before. The first dg before boss spawn is almost free dmg. So certainly free dmg > no free dmg. What we are trying to figure out is whether or not putting dg in a boss preset is better than no dg at all. Now that you pointed out first dg is essentially free, 3 min test will tell us if dropping a dg can net us more than 1 fb in a longer boss fight. Hence the answer if one should keep dg in a bossing preset. Intuitively losing a dg should net us more than 1 fb since the casting animation feels longer with dg. But if 3min runs shows that we aren’t getting more fb compared to the dg triggers (not ad hits) then dg may still have a place in the bossing preset. At least it’s aoe.

[unborn vale]

Im gonna do both this afternoon and i won’t cast DG before the start just for fair test

[unborn vale]

Any other Culvert tips from the BaM channel? 🤣

Want to break 7k but on struggle town

[dawn python]

Maybe some kind of ds4 ds2 swap? But that’s a whale approach I think. Any update on the 3min run? Is dg animation long but skill lock the same as fb so it just feels slow but it’s actually as fast as fb.

[unborn vale]

Ah no sorry not done yet

But i think in longer battle it will be better to not use it because of the delay (and lose probably 1.5 FB per minute or something) but let’s see

I should not use DG before the run starts too so i dont skew it 🤣

[dawn python]

No rush. Just let us know once you have the data. I thank you sir for doing the test on behalf of all the lurkers in bam channel

[dire holly]

[compact steeple]

[unborn vale]

Congrats dude!

How did you do 44?

[hallow isle]

wow.....u do ussss bam bam proud !!!! Gzgz @dire holly !!!!

[dire holly]

Thank you

[dire holly]

Lots of attempts lol

I actually could have had a recorded floor 45 time on the first attempt (from floor 1) but I got careless

I don’t know if the cygnus attack pattern is different but she only casted the bomb once per attempt. The rest is just up+jumping + teleporting and praying that latency doesn’t get you killed

[dawn python]

How about we suggest improving our party shield to prevent some of those 1hko from tougher bosses. Maybe something like if we get 1hko while under party shield, we respawn (like dk) with a few secs of invulnerability. That will make our shield more useful in more places. The idea is not to make us impervious to boss mechanics during shield uptime, but rather give us a mulligan once per shield cast.

This effect should only be for ourselves. Otherwise it will be deemed too powerful. Plus it’s a nice way to give us a pseudo iframe.

[dire holly]

If you’re specifically asking for shield changes in mu lung

I don’t think you know just how strong shield is in mu lung

It literally guards everything

[compact steeple]

Doesn’t shield already block all attacks in F44/45? Except DR

[dawn python]

Mu lung was just a starting point of the discussion since we saw your 45 clear. I personally have no experience in 44/45 since I just suicide after 43 (my dmg is too low to try passing 44). But mainly it’s the idea of a mulligan so that a momentary mistake doesn’t ruin a run.

I just modified my original message to clarify.

So it’s not really even an 1hko prevention. It’s essentially a respawn while under party shield. Don’t know if that’s considered too strong or not.

Bishop has the party buff that offers this to everyone and not time limited. While this shield idea has more restrictions. So if one doesn’t time it right, the respawn benefit will just be wasted. Also if boss move around, stepping outside the shield also offers no protection. So I feel it wouldn’t be too good. But would definitely make our bossing runs more forgiving.

One use I can see is in chilla when she’s going to cast that mega attack while the protective shield is far away and chilla has dr on so it’s a risk to use battle burst to move. With this shield, we will just pop it and eat the 1hko dmg and respawn thus absorbing the hit and avoid a death.

Other classes have similar buffs like dmg absorbing hits (shade, fp). So there is definitely precedent. This would just be our version with the added downside of needing to stay within the shield.

[unborn vale]

I imagine 45 is ‘easy’ if you take your time and dont battle burst through the DR? 🤣

[dire holly]

Pretty much lol

I died to an aoe move from being too close sadly

[dawn python]

Perfect use case for a “mulligan skill”. Humbly for your consideration

[dire holly]

Nope

Shield was on cooldown so it wouldn’t have mattered with your suggestion

[dawn python]

I see. Well the suggestion opens up more advanced gameplay element. Ie purposely take a death blow to gain 3-5s of invulnerability towards end of shield duration. Anyway just a thought.

[cosmic ice]

you guys soloing ark?

[unborn vale]

Did the 3min test as an fyi. Left is with DG and right is without

So like we thought it is exactly 1 for 1 DG for finishing blow (254 + 6) vs 260

*use count

[dawn python]

Interesting. So dg just feels slow but really at same trigger speed as fb. Also did you use v1 during the run? If so then dg is actually slightly faster than vanilla fb.

[unborn vale]

Yea v1 for 2mins

[unborn vale]

So i guess not much difference overall depending on your dmg for FB and DG

[dawn python]

Guess so. I will probably put it back on my bossing preset since it’s at least auto aoe.

[dawn python]

I have a question on v2. Does this actually need to be maxed? Given low cap let’s say 15.5m ish I just wondering if I can stop at 20 or so instead of pushing this to 25. I am antsy to start investing nodes in my other chars.

I just maxed v1 this week and working on v3 (currently 20). My v2 is like 13 ish before slot enhancements.

[unborn vale]

Nice!

It doesn’t improve anything apart from the ignore enemy DEF stat as you level up

So it hits a bit higher in Ark/Lotus

But doesn’t change any timing or speed of the v2

[dawn python]

In that case I will probably just focus on maxing v3 and whatever lvl v2 end up being when v3 is maxed will be where I leave it.

[supple oar]

Can anyone show me some images of their presets please? I just rolled BAM and loving it!

[unborn vale]

I use finishing blow and sweeping staff in a preset for farming 🙂 (only finishing blow for bossing)

And then I have Dark Genesis/Infantry/Grim Harvest in a preset for farming and bossing

[supple oar]

Thank you so much 🙂 Very much appreciated!

[hallow isle]

this my farming (left) and bossing (right) preset

[supple oar]

Thank you!

[unborn vale]

Is BaM a ‘relatively’ bad class at Culvert?

I seem to have a much lower score than others even though my stats are better and I hit a perfect culvert stage

[cosmic ice]

Well , majority of our dps is summons based we don't have iframes and no "big" burst skill I guess it's that

[unborn vale]

Maybe this is the case i will keep trying

[junior egret]

Cracked BaM in action @unborn vale

[unborn vale]

[unborn vale]

Just wanted to impress you

[rancid estuary]

[dire holly]

[unborn vale]

Can’t hit 7k in culvert though

[dire holly]

[dire holly]

@unborn vale

101 points better than my previous best with no boss rush

[unborn vale]

Wow insane

[vital pilot]

Is bam good at node farming? Is aura scythe a toggle skill like maple PC?

[dire holly]

Care to explain more about Aura Scythe in pc? I am curious about this toggle mode

I also think there are better classes for farming nodes

[vital pilot]

On PC, aura scythe will cast itself when the cooldown is off if I remember correctly, no need for autobuff pets. Was wondering if it's the same for maple M.

[dire holly]

Oh interesting

Well in this game Aura Scythe is not toggle-able so pets are needed

[unborn vale]

I’ve been quite lucky with nodes on BaM but i think it’s because of the other party members being good at map clearing. I don’t think its the best if you were farming solo

[unborn vale]

Is it worth maxing Infantry node? I’ve done my bam vskills but feel like infantry gains are marginal ?

It’s level 16(+3) atm

[dire holly]

It’s worth maxing everything

However, I don’t know if infantry would be the next best skill to max after maxing all of our vskills

Mana overload may be a better option

[cosmic ice]

I would say mana overload or anything else you use that provides more magic atk (even decent hs gives nice amount of magic atk)

For my the Infantry is the same level as my v2, and does nothing close to the v2 value /any other active skill value. Unless you get it from nodes idont feel like it worth crafting

Good for mobbing 🤭

[sharp sable]

Doesn't infantry increase duration every 5 levels

[unborn vale]

Yea gets an extra 2.5 or 5 seconds?

So longer dps time, its low but i guess it all counts 🤣

[cosmic ice]

Does ethernal form gives any benefits in leveling up? Beside lower mp conseption (lol who cares)

[unborn vale]

Not that im aware of!

Just the mp consumption

[cosmic ice]

Ez. Selling them all xd

[dawn python]

I’m at 80s at lvl 12

75s now at 17. So it does reduce cd at higher lvls. FYI. This is for dmg immunity skill

[cosmic ice]

Level 20,25,30 = -5 sec each if you talking on v3 cd

[unborn vale]

Maybe i will level it at a later time

[unborn vale]

@dire holly nearly 8k

Got stunned a few times so maybe would be close without that

[dire holly]

Grats!!!

Lvl up a few more vskills and you got this!

[unborn vale]

They all max

Not mana overload though

[dire holly]

Even infantry?

[unborn vale]

Oh no not infantry either

I didn’t actually use that for my run

I went for speed infusion

Need 225 for the next node slot

[dire holly]

Yea..

I still need slots even at lvl 230

[unborn vale]

[dawn python]

Our 170 lacks utility in both bossing and mobbing. How about making it a true map wiper and increase the cd to 30s-45s to compensate? Aoe on par with blaze wizard 170 good enough. Same with dark genesis. Its aoe is pretty small too. For the 30s cd, aoe should be 50% larger.

[unborn vale]

Agree especially for sweeping staff i hope they can buff it (either more lines or bigger AoE like you say)

[cosmic ice]

Also making it an i-fram 🤤

[dawn python]

And our party shield is only 1/4 uptime even with both hypers invested. Given it’s not as good as pally sancro and that’s 1/3 uptime. How about we make party shield base duration 13sec instead of 10 and duration hyper makes it 20s. Thus 1/3 uptime if invested in it.

[dire holly]

You’re asking for a lot here

The range of sweeping, mainly horizontal range does need to be improved. As for the lines, you already know my thoughts and what I’ve advocated for

[dawn python]

Right. I’m just saying if they aren’t moving on the lines for 170, then might as well turn it into a mobbing tool to map wipe. And could come in handy for robots in lotus etc. something that’s useful somewhere.

[unborn vale]

I think (personally) BaM is top tier in lotus but maybe im biased

The guys below me have better gears and stats too

(Boss dpm similar to dmg rank)

[dire holly]

What’s your dpm?

[unborn vale]

It was 55 in this run

[cosmic ice]

I will get enough chaos stones in 3 weeks now for a weapon upgrade attempt. Worth upgrading my non-empress "blue" lvl 40 weapon ? I think it would be like 30% success rate (by Nexon rates thats like actual 5%)

[unborn vale]

Nice, for sure worth a go to upgrade? Either that or your outfit into a chaos outfit for MDC/HP gains etc

Assuming you aren’t planning to go necro weapon

[cosmic ice]

Nah tried. For Abit. I can't even upgrade my sec. Weapon emblem (60%) to level 2 (7attempts) and the upgrade to lvl 5(30% 8 attempts). The ring game is crap

Not going to bother on 2-4% rates with ni pitty system

Also farming 14 weeks for having a 30% chance once.... Insane

Also both of the exalt failures on the weapon are post 40 attempts with duplicates. Game is sick in that matter ngl

All the new bosses with no skill upgrades are bound to be cleared with chaos or atleast Necro weapon. They should make them more accessible. No 6-10 stones in events, not chaos stones nothing. Even at 1-5 stones they provide one with 30% chance 🤢

[unborn vale]

I do hope they can include some later game items in event stores soon (even if they take all the coins or whatever)

[cosmic ice]

well v4 showcase already up... seems like another summon for us

we will be pressing buttons to summon more than we pressing for attacking

[sharp sable]

Make it lv50 first

[unborn vale]

They did BaM dirty with that video, barely showed the skill for like 2 seconds

[dawn python]

Link to the vid?

[unborn vale]

https://youtu.be/ujJlixpM8wc?si=MHam90-GiEVDCy1J

[dawn python]

Thank you.

[dire holly]

Timestamp for BaM vskill?

545Z said it would’ve been an active buff skill

So I’m curious on what it is

Can’t view it at the moment, about to drive home

[dawn python]

Isn’t it some kind of duration aoe centered around us? Therefore work like a dmg field that ticks every so often.

[dire holly]

From the videos I’ve seen in the past, it was a skill that changed the background and caused our attacks to deal even more additional damage

But from what you guys are saying, it has me confused

[dawn python]

3:15 timestamp. Can’t see crap

I think at the very last second some lighting strike came down that was new. So that must be v4. Rest looks like what we currently have.

Of course I have transparency on 100%. So maybe I’m just dreaming things.

You can see lightning close to the bam around 3:18-19

[night grotto]

bam v4 is like night walker 170 on pc, you get an iframe and bonus damage

[dire holly]

Yea that looks like what I saw in the past videos

It’s basically more ad lines

And according to 545Z, we’re suppose to be really strong after this

[dawn python]

[sharp sable]

Btw this is the trick I was talking about @dire holly @unborn vale @545z

@outer crane

Very doable, just takes a lot of practice to get the timing right

[dire holly]

Very minimal in my opinion

Not worth doing

And it's not even on my bossing wheel

Not even on second page

[sharp sable]

Same # of aura scythe hits

[sharp sable]

Ya cause u lazy

[dire holly]

It's pointless

[sharp sable]

Vs not casting DG before boss appears

It's min-maxing

Not pointless if you wanna max your dps

[dire holly]

Just adding one dg line to get a few lines in is so minute in the big picture

Like imagine doing that in Lotus, it won't improve dps much if at all

[sharp sable]

Every little thing you improve in your playstyle adds up in the end 🙂

Just my opinion

[dire holly]

This is true

[sharp sable]

Just letting others know, it's fine if you don't wanna lol

[dire holly]

You right

I am lazy

[sharp sable]

The timing is so hard anyways, I barely get it half the time LOL

[dire holly]

Probably takes a lot of practice

Until it becomes second nature

[sharp sable]

Like from the video total dps from method 1 was average 495dps and method 2 was average 488dps so yeah not much difference LOL

1% increase

[dire holly]

Yea I don't really care to maximize anymore

If it happens it happens lol

[sharp sable]

I feel ya

Did ya see the kmsm updates?

Nothing big lol, seems they're just shortening most hypers/burst windows from 120s to 80s

Downtime is 40s now vs 60s which is good I guess??

[dire holly]

That seems...

Good overall I guess?

Lotus runs probably take my team about 8 minutes

[sharp sable]

Ya depends on length of run if its good or bad

[dire holly]

Yea..

I can't math right now

[sharp sable]

For example current culvert would be 120s of hyper/aura scythe
Future culvert would be 80s uptkme, 40s downtime, then the remaining 60s of hyper/aura scythe

So 140s vs 120s of hyper/aura scythe

No change for 1 minute content

[dire holly]

This is me nitpicking

But I don't like how it's not an even minute lol

[sharp sable]

[dire holly]

But that'll be good overall

[sharp sable]

Yeah less downtime is good

[dire holly]

At least it gets us closer to having 100% uptime on our buffs as some have suggested before lol

[dawn python]

Ahem. Still not 💯. 😉

Any word on kmsm legion update? I hear itd and max cap will be outer region stats and phy def and mag def will be dropped.

Would be fabulous if true.

Even if that’s one year out for us.

[unborn vale]

Quite like these possible changes

Our v4 looks sick in the bigger videos I’ve seen but this showcase one basically skipped over bam 🤣🤣

The forgotten child

[dawn python]

What would be nice is a secondary activation mode for our v2 where casting it will auto place all four towers at the corners of the max v2 aoe. If there is no platform at those points, towers simply drop down to the next available platform. This will make it so much better for ab mobbing. And perhaps bridge our pathetic eos performance. Right now I’m at around 8600/hr. My phantom is 9800 and da at 10300 despite other two have far far less node investment than bam. So a magician class losing out big to a thief and a warrior.

Also the burst mode for our v3 would be a nice cherry on top. (1/5 duration for 5x the hits)

And Adele’s aether guardian is basically our party shield but moves with Adele. That change would be a nice QoL for us as well. Make party shield move with us.

[cosmic ice]

Making the v3 as burst will make your. Mobbing even worst...

[dawn python]

That’s what secondary activation mode is for. A toggle. One for burst one for normal mobbing.

[cosmic ice]

tbh, i dont expect anything. i know whos running the game. it will stay as it is maybe with some overall twiks and thats about it

the real GMS for example actully does this kind of stuff of rebalncing over and over classes to somwhat keep up with the chnaging game

[dawn python]

Maybe if we keep bugging them about it. Maybe one day we get our wish.

[sharp sable]

EoS isn't the be-all-end-all of mobbing proficiency. Neither is node investment with regards to mobbing.

EoS mobs are weak af. Just because your phantom and da can kill more in EoS doesn't necessarily mean they will in an actual SF/AF field. Phantom Ace in the hole and DA swords are such low skill dmg vs bam totems that you need far more non-node investment to make use of them properly in a non-EoS setting

[dawn python]

Heck the v2 change would work for mechanic tots too. I think mechs would appreciate a one button max size tots

[sharp sable]

Bam has other strengths that phantom and DA do not have

[dawn python]

No phantom use v1 in mobbing.

Da I’m not too sure yet. My lv5 v1 kills in two hits already. In af170.

V2 is stronger but uptime less than v1

But da is only good in mobbing. Everywhere it’s pretty ass.

[sharp sable]

Phantom v2 is great for mobbing idk what Ur talking about

Especially if funded

Inb4 maybe not in EoS lmao

[dawn python]

Nvm I was thinking v1. V2 already Ohko so doesn’t need to be stronger for af

I’m 4 lvls away on v3 then I can move on to invest nodes in phantom. But so far my experience is da > phantom > bam in mobbing. From long run kills

In similar party setup. Like a duo etc.

[sharp sable]

Yeah but bam's dash > phantom/DA

Every class will have pros and cons stop trying to compare them so much lol

[dawn python]

I just hope our v4 is all it’s cracked up to be.

That reminds me, I need to complain about how short da dash is. Totally useless.

[sharp sable]

https://tenor.com/view/sammy-d-kart-life-complaining-complain-mario-kart-tour-gif-24670720

https://tenor.com/view/complaining-complain-complaint-unacceptable-gary-vaynerchuk-gif-14838782

[dawn python]

lol 😂 you followed up my da dash complain post with cannoneer bug fix/suggestion/feedback. I like how you dress it up but welcome to the 🏕️

[sharp sable]

I'm just trynna get the updates pcms has

My requests are reasonable

And one of them is a bug lol

[cosmic ice]

Tbh I didn't feel like our dash is short. Atleast most of the times it's enough to pass through bosses.
Don't mind scrap any buff they can give us tho

[dawn python]

It’s the demon avenger dash I was complaining about. Bam dash is one of the class highlights in fact. Probably the one skill that kept me going and not give up on the class the last many lvls.

[candid hedge]

https://youtu.be/lc-x28e4k7s?si=zwpNab6BlBanGNCd

Just stumbled on this video. We’re at 7:45. This is what the actual v4 looks like. Has damage numbers and stuff also. Infinitely better than the other video.

[dire holly]

[unborn vale]

Im surprised its quite a lot stronger than v2 and v3

Very nice, and it’s an iframe skill apparently ?

[dire holly]

Time for us to shine!

[unborn vale]

My node saving started already

Up to 200

[dawn python]

Anyone got that translated? I see some numbers but don’t know how they apply

[dire holly]

It’s like ad lines

@unborn vale

Maybe could’ve gotten 8500 but I played a little sloppy

[unborn vale]

Nice!!

Epic score

[dire holly]

Yee, v2 still not maxed either

Need 6 more lvls

[unborn vale]

OP

[unborn vale]

I cant decide if it’s worth maxinh out infantry and mana overload?

Or Save all these nodes for 6 months for v4

[dire holly]

It’s probably better to save for v4

[unborn vale]

Yea im thinking thay

Given how strong out v4 seems to be

[dire holly]

Yea

I might want to save for it too

[unborn vale]

Our EU node prices so low at the moment too it’s not worth selling

24m now

[dire holly]

I think na is like 21-23m

[unborn vale]

Oh i see

We following

[unborn vale]

I’ve reached the stage where the better classes are hitting similar to me with 1-1.5m less@mdc

Bam problems

[dawn python]

When is v4 supposed coming to gmsm? 6 more months of waiting?

[subtle zealot]

Can someone share good skill wheel for AB + Preset in case there is?

[unborn vale]

I am assuming next anniversaries?

[unborn vale]

I just use battle burst/finishing blow/sweeping staff and dark genesis

I have v2 and v3 as well if you are 200+

[subtle zealot]

Still not there lmao but thank you for the first one, I’ll check it out

[unborn vale]

Depending on your stats and sf field too i picked weakening aura or blue aura on pets

[unborn vale]

Hi guys - Ark multi question

I just did a multi run and used shield on one of the cracks… (bishop and phantom didn’t shell, and heavens door already used) - everyone survived

But they were not inside the shield

Going to test again tomorrow

[dawn python]

This is the absolute best I can do in eos right now with bam even using speed jewel and 10% speed buffs. Have to buff like a mofo to reach this exp and kill rate. Whereas my other two chars at 9.8k and 10.3k without going hog wild on speed.

I was at 175 speed without fever for the above run

[dire holly]

…. I’m disappointed

[unborn vale]

Is this known?

[dire holly]

You’re telling me throughout this whole time that we talked about shield, you didn’t know that this interaction worked???

Bruuh

[unborn vale]

Haha no

Fml

[dire holly]

Well now you know

[unborn vale]

I actually just never used it as we had 2 bish and phantom

But now only 1/1

[dire holly]

It’s useful but requires communication

[unborn vale]

But there were lots of people outside the shield?

[dire holly]

But clears are becoming so fast that it’s almost not needed

[unborn vale]

[dire holly]

If they’re outside shield they will die

Or eat door

[unborn vale]

Hmm that’s what I was confused about

I knew it works inside shield

It seemed to save whole party and everything was confused 🤣

[dire holly]

You’d probably have your test the range of shield; it could go slightly beyond the animation range, but I don’t think it would by very much

Yea no

[unborn vale]

Lucky maybe

[dire holly]

If it saved the whole party then it’s something else entirely

[unborn vale]

Ok thought so

Coincidence

[dire holly]

Maybe bene was still up

Idk

If someone has a recording of it, then you could review that

[unborn vale]

Im gonna check again tomorrow to confirm

Expecting everyone to die

[dire holly]

Very disappointed

[unborn vale]

[cosmic ice]

A2u at 13-14mil wdymmm

[candid hedge]

What’s the duration or cooldown of aura scythe when it’s maxed?

[dawn python]

2min up. 1min down.

[candid hedge]

Thank you.

[unborn vale]

Anyone expecting a rebalance this month?

BaM S tier when

[cosmic ice]

Don't see them buffing bam at all atleast not in the near future...

[dire holly]

#msm-general message

Hmmmmmmm

[unborn vale]

Looks great to me!

Interested to know about this portL thing

But i hope they keep the iframe!

[dire holly]

Yea I wonder if the portal will be any good for Damien

Could be decent in Lotus, but the only thing is that no one will be able to see the animation with 0% transparency

[unborn vale]

Haha yea makes it pointless if thats the case

Id hope it makes a portal like in chaos von bon?

[dire holly]

I don’t think so

I think it’s similar to mech’s portal?

[unborn vale]

Mech has a portal?

Would make sense like a resistance skill

[dire holly]

I'm pretty sure they do

They can place down 2 portal bots which then activates, allowing you to tp back and forth between the two

[unborn vale]

Oh sweet

@dire holly

Finally did it

[dire holly]

Grats!

[unborn vale]

[unborn vale]

[unborn vale]

Guys what are you thinking about BaM damien skill wheel?

As we need to add blink (if you haven’t already..)

[sharp sable]

My blink is on 2nd page for damien

Haven't had any issues with levitating on time

[unborn vale]

Oh nice ok

Wondering what skill wheel gonna be like with v4 too

[dire holly]

Wow you run Damien?

[sharp sable]

Oh on my cannoneer LOL not* my bam

[dire holly]

Have you passed yet?

[sharp sable]

Not me personally no but I'm doing the same dmg as 2nd page on teams* that are

In our practice runs

But I'm not in their guild so I don't get preference

Usually 6th or 7th

[dire holly]

That’s not too bad

Hopefully more teams will form after the next update

[outer crane]

I made it to 1.1

So satisfied

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-gif-gif-26042600

Gz bro that’s insane

[outer crane]

You guys can make it too

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-beating-gif-24531604

Me vs @outer crane

[outer crane]

lol

[sharp sable]

holy grats!!!!

[dire holly]

@outer crane Do you know what shield does in Damien?

[outer crane]

Decrease Damien’s damage

[dire holly]

That’s it?

It doesn’t block anything like in ark or lotus?

[compact steeple]

Damien all fixed damage, so it should only reduce damage by 20%

[unborn vale]

I was using it the other night in practice run to test but pretty sure it’s useless unfortunately

[dire holly]

Sad

[unborn vale]

Was hoping it would guard against some of the attacks like the grasp/altars or something

[outer crane]

I think it might work when standing on altars 🤔

[rancid estuary]

shield is pretty good in hard damien considering dash does 190k .. 20% is a lot and helps aggro survive more

and also when orbs start stacking to 3,

[unborn vale]

Need to check this again!

[unborn vale]

Good point, every little helps i guess

[sharp sable]

shield theoretically guards everything benny blocks... so since benny blocks the grasp shield should too

[unborn vale]

I think i saw a video of your damien clear

Gz! We were watching for tips

[sharp sable]

LOL damn I feel famous

Tips: don't die

Jk yea it's definitely hard but very fun

[unborn vale]

Cannoneer in Damien had to be you

[unborn vale]

Is there any bam tips for mulung 44? Basically just need to avoid the bomb

Or does well timed shield save from that?

[dire holly]

Pray you get a good rotation

Bomb can be resisted so that may save you from having to burn shield

And the common mage v3 can block bomb as well

Basically you need to kill Cygnus within 2 bombs or you’re dead, and Cygnus’ skill rotation appears to be random so you need a bit of luck

[unborn vale]

Ty! I hope I’ll get it soon, feel like 45 would then be ok but I’ll have to see

[dire holly]

Yea floor 45 is pretty much the same as before, just a lot tankier

[sharp sable]

Can also throw stun on ur wheel. Stun a few nados/purple beams after 1st bomb

[unborn vale]

[unborn vale]

More Culvert questions for me.. is it best to time the hyper buffs to come on at the same time as v1? (In stage 5)

Not sure what i did but i thought i did perfect run just now and was 1300 under my pb..

[sharp sable]

Maybe ds4 expired?

[unborn vale]

Big fails i dont think so as i had just crafted it

Oh well ill do it again later

[dire holly]

Pretty sure I said this before, but I always time v1/150 hyper for the last 2 minutes of the run

[unborn vale]

Sorry my question was crap

[dire holly]

So you essentially have to enter right as the 1 minute cooldown starts

[unborn vale]

Do you enter in to convert even it has 1 min cool down

Ah yes that was it

Ty

[dire holly]

ywyw

Just have to pray for good fire rng too

[cosmic ice]

Lol I got the damage tomscore higher but too lazy to figure wtf is going at stage 6 culv... Flames and stuns everywhere

I just afk after 4.1k which is anyway the highest rewards besides rankings

[unborn vale]

Yea apart from season ranks you dont get any extra after 4100

But you need ds4 to keep hitting stage 6, and lots of teleporting action

[junior egret]

You can deal damage without DS4 too

Unless you're tryna tell me your boost nodes aren't lvl 40

[unborn vale]

[junior egret]

But it does help ye

Generally speaking I think it's better to use burst after hitting stage 6 since there's a little bit of downtime between swapping stages and you lose out there

[unborn vale]

Good point

[dawn python]

I usually stay in the middle platform and use dash to move away from stun bubbles. I think sometimes the flames don’t spawn on that platform.

150 hyper full uptime. Then I can just pure dash for my farming bam. Back to the 144 glory days.

[sharp sable]

Why dash that's a waste of DPS lol

Just teleport mid-aura, it's what Bam's playstyle was made for

The flames spawn on every platform it's just rng

[dawn python]

Because dash doesn’t get me off that platform while teleport can move me off of it.

But I barely scratch 4300 so I’m just noob at culvert.

[cosmic ice]

At the phase I'm progressing I won't reach 50 chaos in a year 😵‍💫

[hallow isle]

u not the worst, im stuck at 44 😂

[cosmic ice]

Soooo

Re-rolling to Cygnus mage 😅?

[unborn vale]

That new blaze wizard skill almost with a rr

Phoenix burn

[outer crane]

New score here

[unborn vale]

[unborn vale]

What are your equips now? You made any abso?

[outer crane]

1 abso

[unborn vale]

Dam nice congrats! I still need some culvert tips for battle mage

New video?

[cosmic ice]

Close 😂

[serene solstice]

How mdc

[outer crane]

Almost 2600

[compact steeple]

https://youtu.be/Ng21QI7e2ro?si=SptMGm3-TYimhiEP

Dafaq

||1.1b CP|| BaM in action

[dire holly]

Hmmm I wonder why they use sweeping staff in their preset

And no battle burst on skill wheel

🤔

[unborn vale]

I saw it in the second page

But funny skill wheel

Looks like a Damien wheel maybe? Some buffs on skill wheel i guess no space on pets

[cosmic ice]

Resistance revamp when

Damn that Cygnus revamp probs felt so good for Cygnus mains

[unborn vale]

Yea respect to any that held out for it

I loved TB before and its so cool now

[unborn vale]

Hopefully v4 for BaM helps us as some quicker burst skill

Probably Christmas 2024

[cosmic ice]

First run on my new blazing wizard.. mann some classes having easy life

[cosmic ice]

Umm, debating on link skills

Got a slot that can either be 4% finale damage or 4% magic
What will benefits (BaM) more ?

[cosmic ice]

Also would like some opinions on how to sort my vmatrix
Lv214
I want to free up another slot so the questions are:

1. Should I even bother or this way is fine ?
2. Remove the slot levels from 2 of the 5th job skills And remove one trio
3. Remove a trio and keep the skills lvl 50 .

As for now the nodes I want to be on the new slot are decent speed infusion (boss attack )
Or invincibility/bind

[unborn vale]

Final damage > mag dmg for sure

[unborn vale]

Think you need to get a dark shock trio in here (it’s not massive dmg but it all adds up as additional dmg from our attacks)
Then, assuming this is bossing matrix, i’d take out infantry for speed infusion

[cosmic ice]

Could you show me damage summary when you boss with dark shock? I had it maxed and didn't see it's value. Rn got a maxed trio on stand by with hyper,dash and shock I use for AB

[unborn vale]

Ofc it probably is not that important really

[cosmic ice]

Yeah these the values roughly I was getting myself

Did youax the extra hits from hyper stats?

[unborn vale]

I have this one , the 3 finishing blow hypers, dark and weak auras and shield cooldown cutter

[cosmic ice]

i meant hyper stats as for the stats you pay for leveling

im considered weak in my guild, so i went damage and weakning aura on hypers to clear bosses solo easier/ win more guild honor battles for now

[unborn vale]

Ohhh yes i have Additional / mag dmg / final dmg / max dmg and some BA now

[cosmic ice]

made a mistake and added to ba too soon.. shouldve gotten crit&extra attack instand (dont have and not gonna have necro weapon)

[unborn vale]

Lots more crit rate available at least now with guild skills etc

[cosmic ice]

yeah maxed out the guild's crit on first day xd

sitting around 85% if not slightly higher , still need magnus's badge for more crit

[compact steeple]

I thought it make sense to just keep using sweeping staff as many times as possible, to maximize DPS

At least for me I also include that skill in my main skill preset

[dire holly]

Hmmmm I need to test this again

I always thought it was slow and not worth putting into a preset because it would lose dps and cause you to be stuck in a pretty long animation

I prefer to have fb alone so I can freely tp to dodge when needed; and with how many skills we have it’s hard to fit sweeping into the main page

[unborn vale]

I am the same, i took it out of bossing preset (when i did a test the dps difference was slightly higher when just using FB)

[dire holly]

Looking at it now, I think that if for some reason fb isn’t capping all lines, then the extra skill damage % from sweeping staff will do more dps in the long run, but to have it on a preset is risky in my opinion

[unborn vale]

Haha yes i took it off just as it got me killed a few times

Unless they buff it i will probably leave it out

[cosmic ice]

wdym? i have it on my "main" spamming preset along with FB aniumination is kinda long , i removed it since iddont have nodes for it on bossing matrix so its weak compared to lv60 node skills. but if you have it maxed space shouldnt be an issue

[cosmic ice]

The stats I'm working with now... Still haven't cleared hmag solo yet

[unborn vale]

Getting there

Messed up a bit too

[dire holly]

[cosmic ice]

gartz! mate didnt you said you were "Stuck" at 5-6k ? huge jump what did you change

https://youtu.be/yVwXVo95RoI dropped this on qol .. 3:09 you think they will understand the pain ?

just want to simply replace one aura into another without having to chain 10 clicks for this simple task

0:53 shows how im already programmed to automaticly remove the aura first before replacing xd sad

[cosmic ice]

also , next time you culv, could you show me what are you buffing with ? never reached 31 buffs and i do use everything from mulung&abyss shop

[unborn vale]

Ofc! I did boss rush this time but can’t remember what else i used

The guild campfire too

[unborn vale]

Definitely for the auras it would be nice to be able to use both during AB on pets

But do you not use bossing/farming presets? So you don’t have to change accessories etc ?

[unborn vale]

Dam i tried 4 full mu lung runs back to back to try and beat 44 and got so unlucky each time

She was trolling me

My favourite when the gap in the lasers is on her body, twice in a row

[cosmic ice]

ILM buff voices are poping in suggestions section. Let's voice out weakness 🫣
No proper burst
No I-frame
Useless hyper with an awful hotbox
Can't use v1 in AB without being aura-less off cd
Shield is out of date
Pretty sure we still in the bottom chart of lines (?)

P.S made it to 50 🎉

Low-key happy my chaos attempt at lv.42 failed would be a mistake of it passed 😅

[unborn vale]

Gz on 50!

Yea i liking your BaM comments i think they are valid (i think we are low down lines for sure)
Other classes with low lines seem to make up for it with a strong short burst

[outer crane]

OMG

[cosmic ice]

First time clearing Hmag solo today.
Which with my account shouldn't be a huge deal but I'm a EU playing on Asia server so I got 300 ping (berly able to react need to actually pre-dodge) ... Damage wise I'm much over the needed requirement 😅

For the big Bois here ,
Is it possible to clear ark solo as a BaM? We got a 3min cd invincibility and the shield for the FMA is it enough for a full 10min run ?

[junior egret]

Come join the dark side of EU server got a pro BaM to guide you

[cosmic ice]

If it was possible I would've even paid to move my account🙄

Of you guys could record some footage of solo ark as bam I would appreciate it
(Of you do it "easly" try to unbuff so I can see how a somwhat of a struggle run looks like)

[unborn vale]

I think Ark is ‘ok’, and the shield is enough to save you from at least 1, maybe 2 screen cracks! Otherwise without iframe you just have to drag ark side to side, and attack until he stops.
When it stops just teleport over to the other-side of the map and repeat

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/say-it-edward-cullen-robert-pattinson-twilight-tell-me-gif-18229901

[compact steeple]

You can drag the Ark run so that the screen crack interval is longer than 90s

So you can use shield for all cracks up till 20% HP

[unborn vale]

Pro tactic ^

[limpid talon]

why are there no battle mages ?

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/excuse-me-well-excuse-me-my-bad-forgive-me-gif-3058401731886965084

I guess better dps/support classes people prefer to play

[limpid talon]

im just surprised they used to be pretty popular. dont they still offer good support skills for boss ? i couldnt find a video for v skills but read description

[cosmic ice]

Relatively weak, there's better options for supports , and besides maybe ark I don't think our shield is that useful for lotus / Damien , tho I haven't done them myself. So not a meta choice for sure

I'm pretty sure I'm like the 4th in my server regarding to the active BaMs and I'm using none Cygnus inherited weapon 😅

I do say, manually playing BaM is kinda fun with the teleport and mid air skills/mobility.
Without that I would've rerolled to literally any other mage long ago

[cosmic ice]

As an example of how non-meta this class is

[unborn vale]

Yea there are only 2 active bams in the EU server really

Maybe 3

[cosmic ice]

Bruh, this guy cleaning lotus with 2 min to spare 🫣
Meanwhile me as a BaM with better stats not even close to clear it 🙄

Idk how he's also 97% crit rate unbuffed

[junior egret]

DW has dumb unbuffed cr

[unborn vale]

I was gonna say if thats DW its cracked for crit rate

[cosmic ice]

My selfbuff (BaM skills+vmatrix no food) stats

The dawn warrior stats

Mine is -200 matk since I swapped from exp gear (no soul).
I assume that guy has higher legion since his max damage is higher with the no better gear (I'm 4.6k , yet to unlocked the +500k)

Besides the 1.4k atk, and 27% boss damage I got all other stats higher by significant amount 🙄

He got more Fame , I give him that 😬

Just realized I reached 100% crit rate recently for creating lvl 8 Cygnus link skill, so I take back what I said about his 97% xd through I use the zakum face acc for crit and also committed majority of flames/pot towards it

[unborn vale]

I think the dmg calculator for lotus is based on your max dmg cap a bit (some formula of max damage, enemy defense and ignore enemy def)

So the DW will do more damage purely because of max dmg being higher

I might be wrong though

As i think Bam is cracked in lotus

[cosmic ice]

So you saying even tho he ain't capping, he's dealing and will deal more damage

Just because the formula sucks and works over your MD instand of damage dealt?

Sounds like the most Nexon thing I've heard . I believe that

[unborn vale]

I think it’s something like that anyway, maybe @junior egret knows, he knows everything

[junior egret]

It's multiple things

First of all the DW does cap a lot of his lines

But because of the way DW works the bottom ones don't seem to cap

And second of all he uses DS4 which I don't know if you do aswell, but that makes a big diff

Basically how end game bosses work is it takes Damage (including when it's capped by MDC) * 1-effective defense

So lotus has 40% defense

You ignore 20% of that because of boost nodes already (assuming yours are level 40)

Meaning it has 32% effective defense all the time

But with DS4 you ignore even more defense 50% of the time

You ignore another 25% defense 50% of the time

[junior egret]

Because of how the math works this 25% is however applied to the 32% we had leftover here but that still means there is 24% effective defense half the time which means higher effective damage

It's difficult to explain xD

But ye

Basically comes down to that

[unborn vale]

I asked the right guy

[cosmic ice]

Interesting. Anyway, rn unbuffed no ds4 it takes me roughly 4 min to 50% phase 1. So basically fully buffed , I most likely can clear if I do a perfect run with ds4. Since it's low-key "expensive" resource wise I'll just wait for my weapon to turn chaos ( will have another attempt in a month& half -months from now )

Lvl 50 chaos is +20% crit damage & 2k m.atk I guess ?

[unborn vale]

That’s pretty good for unbuff no ds4

Ds4 makes a big gain too (and if you full buff properly you should be good)

[cosmic ice]

More left & right teleporting action instand of portals *still unbuffed

Also realized I'm I still was on exp jewels, need to test out if purple set benefits me more

[cosmic ice]

Should I replace combat orders for ds4 ?

[cobalt crater]

no, i would replace decent AB

[cobalt crater]

if you're scaled to EXP, stay on EXP. the kbk from set effect will help you in phase 2 and 3. Always TP when the laser is a cross formation. you can use your shield in p2 and 3 like bishop shell to not get knockback when platforms fall

[unborn vale]

Yea switch out advanced blessing for ds4 for sure

For lotus anyway

[rancid estuary]

[cobalt crater]

[cosmic ice]

Really? 12% m.atk vs 9%m.damage?

Always thought atk>damage

[unborn vale]

Other way round

[cosmic ice]

Welp on PC it works like that

K will replace blessings

Will do culv today and try lotus ubuffed/buffed again tomorrow

[cosmic ice]

Skill issue with the flame stage

[unborn vale]

https://youtu.be/RglPT9yRS3k?feature=shared

I did a wannabe 545Z and made a youtube

It has no sound sorry 🤣

[junior egret]

IDOL

[unborn vale]

[dire holly]

9k is so close!

[unborn vale]

Nice!!

[snow thistle]

New record 🙂

[unborn vale]

[cosmic ice]

Chaos pl0x

[cosmic ice]

Eh both the pathfinder thingy and the hat ruins all the fun effects all capes basically worthless 🙄

Not recommending that hat , especially if you also anviled it into your M label 🫣

[limpid talon]

does battle mage have good support in bosses ? from the skills description it seems like a pretty helpful class but is it practical? i see it almost as better than a class that offers zero support skills/buffs at all

[cobalt crater]

not much besides the party shield, but people can't even see where you place it. i'd say the party buffs are very negligible in terms of damage increase

it's still a fun class overall

good farming class with all the aoe summons

[unborn vale]

Yea the shield is great for Ark and lotus (stops the knock back) but no one can see is as said above 🤣
Buffs are pretty good but not sure how much help it gives others. The heal effect maybe quite beneficial but no one has ever mentioned it to me

[sharp sable]

I'd personally say the aura scythe buff is literally one of the best party buffs in the game (granted it's a lv200 skill with a cooldown). Not only is the 10% def buff/BA buff/and pdmg/mdmg buff already better than most class buffs, but the -20% weakness aura/pdmg/mdmg reduction on bosses is actually huge and more DPS than most realize. Top it off with the healing/speed for better survivability it's really nice haha. But not vital like other support class skills like shade split/v3, rez, sia shell, benny, crit res debuffs, etc. But if we're talking one-to-one party buffs then aura scythe is like top 3 in the game lol

[unborn vale]

Yea agreed, i think people dont realise how much benefit it does as they dont even know its on

Wonder why they are getting healing while attacking with no bishop

[dire holly]

We get overlooked

No one knows about our support skills

[cosmic ice]

It's nice to have class
, not a guarantee spot

For grinding, if the auras were full map range, people would love to have bam in Thier pt, rn the range so short aura isnt even counted as a party buff 🫣

Our dps is pretty low, same for map clear compared to other classes, even with all the summons....

I would give it a 5/10 , majority to the dash and blink which make it a fun class

[halcyon trench]

this guy's legion is only 4k 😄

[halcyon trench]

speedos is right for lotus you won't be able to hit cap due to some calculation. If I'm not wrong 15m cap will hit about 11m. 16m ard 11.5m and 17m ard 12mish. So this dw is just doing more damage based on the cap difference. probably with your stats you will be able to hit higher cap and would do better once you unlock cap

[compact steeple]

Max line in Lotus = MDC * [1 - Lotus DEF% * (1 - DEF Ignore Rate%)]

Basically Lotus has 40% DEF, so without considering other factors, u only can hit 100-40 = 60% of your MDC in Lotus

If u have DEF Ignore rate of 15%, u will reduce Lotus DEF by 40% * 15% = 6%
So u now can hit 60+6 = 66%

[cosmic ice]

This Sunday I'll be 69/100 for another 30% chaos attempt if it passes I'll probably be able to clear lotus 😵‍💫

[wooden dagger]

Sooo just made a Bam yesterday and prob reach 200 in a week… whats the ideal nodes?

[sonic sundial]

probably would be final blow, condemn, dark genesis, sweeping staff

[unborn vale]

I’ve got Finishing Blow / Dark Gen / Condemnation, Dark Shock and sweeping staff

Although i only use sweeping staff in mobbing

[cosmic ice]

ill avoid sweeping staff till you 225+ with everything unlocked. even for mobbing you mostlikely will one shot with it with no nodes as well

[wooden dagger]

So for bossing, Finishing blow, Dark Gen, and condemnation?

[limpid talon]

yeah thats what im thinking. im like why arent ppl wanting this buff on their runs. it probl gives so much extra burst dmg for everyone plus extra survivability slightly maybe

[wooden dagger]

Uhh did i mess up :/

[unborn vale]

[wooden dagger]

Should i reset it?

[unborn vale]

Hmm it depends

Not urgent to reset it i think, do you also have the dark and weakening auras? They are most important

[dire holly]

🤔

Yup it’s not the end of the world luckily

[wooden dagger]

What should i reset too?

[dire holly]

All finishing blows, weakening aura, and dark aura

[wooden dagger]

Is shield rly tht important?

[dire holly]

Pretty much what llama said

[wooden dagger]

Wait… i have that…?

[dire holly]

Unfortunately shield is not that important

[dire holly]

So not in shield, right?

[wooden dagger]

None, all in blow and weak

[dire holly]

Great!

[wooden dagger]

So im chillin than…

[dire holly]

Yup!

Shield is… not great at the moment

[wooden dagger]

… stressin for no reason🤣 appreciate it boss!

[dire holly]

Lol np!

[unborn vale]

I swapped one of the finishing Blows for shield cooldown now that FB 20% crit dmg doesn’t make any difference to my dmg now

But only use shield sometimes in Ark/Lotus and in mu lung

Otherwise useless

[dire holly]

I still use it lol, but I haven’t tested my damage without it

Also, if I were to remove the fb cd hyper, I’d probably go into blue aura hyper even if it’s bad lol

The random dispel when aura scythe is active seems nice

Actually I might try that because it sounds useful in chaos hilla

[unborn vale]

Yea i had this before and swapped again

But unsure 🫤 dps test didnt change with or without that CD hyper for me which is nice

[dire holly]

Yea I’m sure it doesn’t make that much of a difference when you cap

It might help a bit in culvert though

[unborn vale]

Got pb for me

Maybe ill put that CD back on and try again on culvert

Cd hyper*

Been quite enjoying the 60s shield cd in Ark

[dire holly]

I bet the 60s shield cd helps a lot in solo ark

When I’m buffed I can only get in one shield. The rest of the time I just gravestone

[unborn vale]

Yea this is true

[wooden dagger]

6 more levels til 200

[unborn vale]

[dire holly]

Grats!

[sonic sundial]

V skills helpsss so much with ab-ing

[wooden dagger]

1-2 days a level

[sonic sundial]

which server are you on?

[wooden dagger]

Na scania

[sonic sundial]

oooo

[wooden dagger]

196, maybe by mid next week

Without burning, takes sooo long

What server are you from?

[sonic sundial]

asia 2 scania!

trying to find other bams in my server

[dire holly]

[wooden dagger]

Xd we are known as the, “T-rex” of Msm we ancient, hella extinct LOL

[wooden dagger]

Whats the difference between lvl1?

I feel i should upgrade shield

[wooden dagger]

Planning, uhhh its ideal to have 2 slot for perfect trio for bam right?

[unborn vale]

I use 4 slots, but you could get away with 2 slots if you don’t use dark shock or sweeping staff?

[cosmic ice]

I should upload this on flex, but normies won't understand 😅

That Chinese guy sperate me from getting rank 3 in mulung 🙄

[sonic sundial]

damnnn so many bams in 1 pt

[cosmic ice]

Tried to look for a cape or anything to mimic the reaper skill (since my skills are transparent and I can't see him).. that's the closest I found ... Sadly don't have the Casper from the old Halloween event

[wooden dagger]

@dire holly is one by chance

[cobalt crater]

no

but i think it's the bottom right one

you're looking for finishing blow, condemnation, and genesis

your other trio is battle burst, sweeping staff and dark shock

[wooden dagger]

Got one… need the first ;-;

I only need 2 slot? I thought i need 1 more?

[cobalt crater]

need 2 for bossing, 4 if you want bossing and training hypers

this is your other trio

you need another version of the two

[wooden dagger]

Just to be sure, this is correct?

[cobalt crater]

yes

now you need another trio of the two

[dire holly]

What phalowyn said is correct

[wooden dagger]

The last 2 trio

[dire holly]

You don’t really need sweeping/dark shock, battle burst just yet. You could fit into another finishing blow/dark genesis/condemnation trio

[wooden dagger]

Would be 2 combinations of the last pic correct?

[wooden dagger]

Is that ab?

[dire holly]

By only only one of both you’re limiting the max level

[cobalt crater]

any combination of this one

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059999522903822386/1221841559117365309/IMG_2575.png?ex=66140ba0&is=660196a0&hm=44ccc1a139d1af3c622f5c4b2cddc31740f13fad76cf1dec7aa8d20b590fd075&

[dire holly]

Here let me show you mine

[cobalt crater]

but your starting node has to be finishing blow or genesis

[dire holly]

Starting node doesn’t matter much in my opinion

So long as it’s apart of the trio

[cobalt crater]

well he cant use a condemnation starting node if he finds it again

is what im trying to say

[dire holly]

Oh right right

Good point

[wooden dagger]

Think i understand, appreciate you guys

[cobalt crater]

but yea starting out, you dont need this node, you can save it for later when you're around 210 when you slot in more nodes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059999522903822386/1221841558517841942/IMG_2576.png?ex=66140ba0&is=660196a0&hm=1716b72158d107f3b5fff554b05e254fbcddc38b9cac66ebb96ff6d07593ed3d&