Night Walker

[tame comet]

@lost timber

[lost timber]

You can only have 5

Quint FD and BA are the 2 quint I mentioned

[tame comet]

Ok ty

Isnt FD of omen only one line?

Is that worth it?

[amber tinsel]

the fd applies to all lines of omen

[tame comet]

Ah thanks. Thought FD mean final dmg as in the last hit

Perhaps they should translate better

[solar arrow]

For hyper Stats, what would be the best to pick?

[lost timber]

It's just the name of the stat, used in most of the game

[hybrid arch]

Rr NL

[mortal ether]

I’m 28.2m my last sc was 14.6k (last resort 21, shadow bite 21, empress Cygnus blessing 19) rest of v skills maxed. I’m also not doing the corner tanking Strat just standard.

[dusky rune]

are u aligning your V4 with ds4 and setting it up with all the other relevant skills before firing it off? just trying to get a sense of how night walkers are faring at SC

[mortal ether]

Yep. I’m aligning GDS with v4 every time DS4 procs (aswell as having the other buffs like shadow illusion, spear up)

[mortal ether]

Feels like im doing it pretty optimal too. Every single ds4 proc I get a full duration V4 off too either with dark sight or avoiding the stuns.

[mortal ether]

Mine’s probably low though by the sounds of it. What’s your score since we’re similar mdc?

[austere pilot]

I’m at 45k score

At 68m cap

Can hit more but I don’t care enough

[dusky rune]

Haha, sorry but I don’t play night walker in mobile. I just wanted to get a rough idea of how much a nightwalker with that cap range can hit in culvert, for uhhh guild purposes

[mortal ether]

Ohh ok no worries then, Glad to help

[tame comet]

Question: what level for nightwalker when I can do close to 100% crit rate?

[regal agate]

What do you mean?

[polar fern]

50m mdc
31k SC

[dull zealot]

230

[tame comet]

Ty

[magic moss]

Hello, can some1 help me whit perfect trios for Nw? I just RR and I’m trying to learn how to play it❤️

[scenic notch]

Quint bat omen

[magic moss]

Thx

[magic moss]

One more question, which buff is better on pet? Ravenous bat or shadow bat?

🙏🏼

[scenic notch]

You use shadow for training ravenous for bossing

[magic moss]

Ok thx bro!

[amber tinsel]

that coulda been you in Scania @scenic notch

[tame comet]

Aww crap I am heavily invested in NW because I thought it was top tier. It's only top tier according to pc version

[dull zealot]

[tame comet]

How so u feel about About nw pori

I see mech is really strong and fun

[dull zealot]

NW supremacy

[tame comet]

you have to dau that

You pick the wrong class too😆

Just started gave 2weeks ago i am 180 now and I'm stuck

[dull zealot]

Wow better than me

[tame comet]

Better how

[dull zealot]

2 weeks 180

Took me 2 years

[solar arrow]

You will be clearing with 3rd job skill until lv200 lol

[tame comet]

But mobile is fast

[solar arrow]

I did the same

It's ultra bad until lv 200

And you won't feel the power until you have nodes

I feel sick already

[tame comet]

Wish I played a me character

Newer

But it's whatever

I'll be 200 in about a week

[solar arrow]

Good luck

[dull zealot]

Reroll

[tame comet]

I cant I invested 500 bucks already😩

[solar arrow]

You trolling

[tame comet]

I wish I am

[dull zealot]

Just invest 500 more on new character

[solar arrow]

I put in £60 and I regret it so much already

£500 just to get to level 180

Damn

[tame comet]

I won't didn't assume then 100 a month now. I'm disciplining myself

Is not for the lvl it's for everything

[solar arrow]

What do you have tho

[tame comet]

Not much

[solar arrow]

What have you gained from that 500

[tame comet]

Cause noob spending

[solar arrow]

Lol

Did you purchase this?

[tame comet]

No

Mostly pets and fashion

But I do have a mythic weapon rank 19 emblem

And all gear are rank 18

And all hyper are max for my lvl

[solar arrow]

Hmm

Hmmm

Idk

500 you can do a lot more

[tame comet]

I wasted atleast a bil on buying wrong gear

Like I said fashion and pets cost alot

[solar arrow]

I expected the best gears possible

At least 2

[tame comet]

I could have

Spend over a few billions already

But it's noob spending

[solar arrow]

Best gears they are 18b each

You must be very rich in real life

[tame comet]

I'm poor

But 500 if spent correctly could get you 10bil meso give it take

[dull zealot]

If $500 only gave me 10bil I would cry

[tame comet]

Ya i hate spending too. It's an addiction. I usually stop but by then I spent more then I want to

[dull zealot]

u should spend more imo

[dusky rune]

more like spend right rather than spend more

[tame comet]

What is the most over use class in mobile m excluding the healer class

[dull zealot]

if u keep spending more u will eventually spend right

[dull zealot]

all support class paladin phantom bishop sia

[dusky rune]

💀

[solar arrow]

Devil you are

[tame comet]

When u are in v matrix the 6th class, do u still use quin throw skill?

[dull zealot]

yes

[mortal ether]

Update 29m -16.7k SC

[dusky rune]

Grats, that’s alot of difference, how did u do it

[hybrid arch]

don't get stunned with all v skill on rotation + domionn buff and ds4 active

stunned in middle of v4 can set difference of 1k score. You really only get to use it 2/3 times

my score with 46mil cap hits around 32k probably could be 33.xk but i have 7p abso too, so my PA is on the higher end of unlucky chaos exalts

[scenic notch]

teach me how to land absos

[mortal ether]

Yeah basically what over9000 said just optimising more. Also used br which I didn’t do with the previous time.

[vapid lily]

its like within top 5 in pc. Xenon is top 1 atm

[tame comet]

After lvl 200 my dmg will increase dramtically?

Cause I'm only doing 70k average none crit and 200k crit

[regal agate]

The fun starts at level 200+

[dull zealot]

not immediately but yes it should increase dramatically with nodes + v skills

[tame comet]

I been 2-3 weeks and I'm only at lvl 186

It's taking forever

Right now I'm doing a lvl and a half per day

Once 195 come, it's going to take soo much longer

[dull zealot]

welcome to msm

[amber tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/were-rich-jack-harlow-wasted-youth-song-we-got-cash-lots-of-money-gif-22198142

[tame comet]

Could you transfer a broken non emblem piece of gear to a emblem one?

[solar arrow]

Your emblem one will disappear no? If it works

[tame comet]

How come I never get any drop from chaos expedition

[dull zealot]

Nexon

[solar arrow]

you have to deal damage to get a chance to get drop

[tame comet]

Ok like top 5

[solar arrow]

I’m not sure but that’s what it says

[pure harness]

hey folks, does anyone have an AB wheel recommendation? my alt is 193

[solar arrow]

lol

[dull zealot]

Yea

[pure harness]

k sry, haven’t touched the alt since rework. just wasn’t sure if spark is still in rotation that’s all.

[dull zealot]

Yea

[solar arrow]

Hey, what hyperstats do we use for NW?

[dull zealot]

Yea

[steel marten]

alt or main

[rapid meteor]

Can u list both

[rapid meteor]

Wat is the rotation?

[steel marten]

Main Boss Hyper 1. Final Damage 2. Phyiscal Damage 3. Additional skill damage 4. max damage increase 5. boss attack
Main Training Hyper 1. Party Exp 2. Exp 3. Buff item Duration 4. Fever Buff duration
alt. just swap out max damage increase for crit damage

[rapid meteor]

Thx

[solar arrow]

Main

[gray plume]

hi! any pro night walker able to share their skill wheel for bossing/mobbing?

[steel marten]

Go watch the GOAT on his youtube channel for bossing setup. https://www.youtube.com/@Edduh

[austere pilot]

How geared are you

If not geared use spark dominion omen penguins bite and multi bats for training

If geared just quint makes no difference

Bossing just follow the videos above

Preset has quint omen bite venom

Second reset is penguin dominion

[gray plume]

Thanks guys!

Barely geared just a necro wep having fun haha

[solar arrow]

Do people have two sets of hyper stats?

One for bossing one for exp?

[austere pilot]

No

[lost timber]

Get a third show your dominance

[austere pilot]

o u guys might of meant the other hyper

if so yes yikers

[lost timber]

I was like you do tend to joke around a lot but this is going far even for you

[austere pilot]

lolol

for some reason i was thinking about the other hyper stat

some people r crazy enough to reset

[lost timber]

True

To be fair

If you do all your bosses at once it's literally 200 crystals a week

But if you have that kind of crystals to spend you probably don't need mobbing hypers either

[solar arrow]

damn

almost got trolled

[solar arrow]

Hey guys @lost timber @austere pilot can I see what v skills you guys use?

[lost timber]

I use V1 V2 V3 V4 common V1 common V2 common V3 and common V4

[austere pilot]

shoudlnt u be using all

lol

[lost timber]

I mean I'm just a lowly 220 NW don't have slots for all the decents

[solar arrow]

I still don’t understand

Would you be able to give me a screenshot of it?

[solar arrow]

@lost timber can you help me check what I need to do?

[lost timber]

Level up to 215, unlock all the slots and then use those 8 skills plus 3 boost nodes that include 2 copies of Quint 2 copies of bats 2 copies of omen 2 copies of spark and 1 copy of Dominion (if you wanna minmax)

[solar arrow]

Is the placing important?

Like where I put those node skills

[lost timber]

Nope

Just boost the boost nodes first

With slot points

Always get slot points to 5 before going to the next slot tho

[solar arrow]

alright thank you

[solar arrow]

@lost timber is this a perfect trio?

[austere pilot]

No it’s bats omen quint

Sparks is useless

[solar arrow]

but he said spark is one of the copies?

[austere pilot]

Spark trio is for training

[solar arrow]

so i should still keep it?

[austere pilot]

If you are mainly looking to boss and don’t have the levels, u only use two trios (bat quint omen) in any order

Let me show u mine

[solar arrow]

switch when i wanna level up?

[solar arrow]

top left to right second skill

[austere pilot]

Personally I don’t even bother with spark

[solar arrow]

is that 2 bats in one?

[austere pilot]

Yes

[solar arrow]

dafk?

you can have that?

[austere pilot]

It’s different primary skill so yes

This one is primary omen the other one is primary quint

When you enhance the nodes it total 60

[solar arrow]

you only have 2 sets of boost nodes?

[austere pilot]

No u can put more but we only need two for bossing lol

[solar arrow]

i see

[amber tinsel]

4 trios by 3 skills=12
Each skill needs to be twice
Of total 6 skills
6 skills x 2=having 12
25+25+5+5 to reach max lv60

[scenic notch]

Me low level pleb and use 3 trios

[cerulean folio]

For multi GHB, do you guys quint or spark with multi bats? TIA 🙏🏻

[scenic notch]

Quint with shadow bats

V4 is most your damage anyways

[indigo sun]

I still get out damaged by phantoms with necro weapon and Czak helm lmao

[indigo sun]

Any suggestions on what’s next? Gotta replace belt. Otherwise I may have to chaos my old claw and sell that, what should I do with the profits? I’m thinking probably 15b for chaos fodder 30*

[mortal ether]

Exalt the rest of your armour equips to 40, you might need to get a new glove lvl 40 as exalting your lvl 32 will be hard. In the long term you’re then gunna wanna exalt your way up with your inherits to lvl 50 and then chaos. Reflame your Necro claw to have double phy atk lines (good to do with the current flame event). Also invest in a magnificent soul for your wep. You can get some cheap VL can give you + 1.4m cap depends on your budget but it’s a good start.

[indigo sun]

Appreciate you

[lime surge]

im a fresh lvl 200 any like node skills i should focus on for both bossing and ab?

[amber tinsel]

4 trios 6 skills each skill twice
Quint Omen Bats as first priority

[lime surge]

can i see ur list?

so i can copy it

[amber tinsel]

#msm-videos message

[lime surge]

thank u!

any main nodes i should focus on first? or just level them all up slowly

[amber tinsel]

trios n v skils first then shared before using other class skill nodes

[lime surge]

okie dokie

thank u

[coarse spoke]

does NW still use shark sparking for grinding in SF below lvl200?

[regal agate]

Yup

[strong mauve]

Anyone have a good skill wheel for abing my NW

[rose zealot]

quinstar:))

[dire mauve]

Does anyone have the perfect trio from the NW that they can provide me with please?

[amber tinsel]

[regal agate]

@austere pilot what skill is that?

[austere pilot]

Will skill

[outer snow]

how do we get that skill?

[dire mauve]

Ty bro

[austere pilot]

Ts or a drop from will

[plucky vessel]

Can you survive sf 194 with inherit lvl 30 weapon, RA top/bot and the rest are unique equips ?

[austere pilot]

No

[dire rover]

Can someone show me bossing skill

[elder pawn]

Which v skill to focus on ?

[austere pilot]

Spear

Spear clone throw bite

[elder pawn]

Rapid throw is low priority ?

[austere pilot]

i would put 1 and max clone and spear first

you need all of it to synergize

[elder pawn]

Does clone / spear duration / cooldown get affected by levels ?

[austere pilot]

duration goes up

i think rapid throw is just straight damage

and slight duration

like few seconds if there is any

[indigo sun]

What skill do you mean by clone

[lost timber]

Rapid throw cooldown goes down with levels so it's quite important tbh

Plus it gains IED

[indigo sun]

Are they meaning GDS when saying clone?

[lost timber]

Ye

[indigo sun]

Gross

[strong mauve]

What should my hyper skills be from lvl 141 and forward.

[strong mauve]

Who has the perfect trio jist turned lvl 200 need help

Just

[scenic notch]

quint bat omen

[strong mauve]

Im not sure what im doing

Should i be enchanting this

I havent got the perfect trio yet

[austere pilot]

prioritize any node with the first skill (main skill) either bat quint or omen

so you can continue to level until u hit the trio and then level it via the leveled trash node

[strong mauve]

Ok so im doing fine then

What should i do with the trash nodes extract? And craft rope lift?

[austere pilot]

theres certain levels to efficiently extract node for shards

are you light spender or just f2p

if light spender id just keep all the nodes as much as possible and get quint leveled

[strong mauve]

F2p

[amber tinsel]

[sullen glade]

What attack macros you guys use

[sullen glade]

For the skill preset

[austere pilot]

bite, quint, omen, venom first preset

rest is whatever u like tbh

[chilly dragon]

Hi guys, for late game NW. Is BA jewels better or PD jewels better?

[austere pilot]

dependent on flames

both are good

PD jewels good for guild content

BA jewels good for bossing and flames

[kindred root]

PD for sure. BA flames aren't as good anymore since the IED flames were introduced.

[austere pilot]

if you're investing heavily for late game, it just takes one patch to mess it up. there is no wrong or right as meta changes.

[chilly dragon]

Yea i thought so too, coz some of my flames are scaled to BA, with the recent patches everything is swept with the wind 🤣

Thanks guys

[austere pilot]

majority of my flames are still ba

cause I dont think 5% FD beats 1.3k pa lol

[chilly dragon]

Yea thats true

[austere pilot]

but like I said just cause currently the BA jewels lost its flames

doesnt mean it doesn't equate to its trash.

I don't think i would be any stronger if i had PD jewels vs BA

nature of the game, focus on what you can afford to craft, then work on whatever next

[chilly dragon]

Thanks for the insight nova, i'll stick with my BA jewels for the time being

[austere pilot]

because naturally we have a lot of pdmg

[kindred root]

Actually 5% FD would probably be better than 1.3k PA especially when rerolling FD souls. But I agree with you, I'm not washing away almost 3k PA for hopes of 10% FD lol

[austere pilot]

5% fd would beat 2.6k?

Its 1.3k per line

when ur doing flames the chances of 2 max mythic is unrealistic

even if you have unlimited $$

[kindred root]

Then that would be 10% FD. But yeah I do think so. 1.3k/70k vs 5%/100% shows the FD gain is more substantial

[austere pilot]

when I input my stats into a calculator created by truffles, fd 1% gave 180 attack.

[kindred root]

Not sure about damage calculators I just do simple math to see which has a greater net gain

[austere pilot]

where are you getting 1.3k/70k vs 5/100%

[kindred root]

It's just an example. If you take 1.3k PA gain with a base of 70k that gives you a 1.9% overall gain. But if you gain 5% FD with a 100% base that's a 5% boost

[austere pilot]

oh i see gotcha

definitely need to math via calculator if you have the time as the more of something you get less benefit out of it. especially when it comes to FD / PDMG / PATK / BATK

[kindred root]

And with FD being the lowest stat any small margin should give a pretty big gain. Not sure exactly how it works into damage calculation but it makes sense to me to increase the lowest base stat

[austere pilot]

Cause my fd base is 115 lol

[kindred root]

Honestly at this point of the game I'm better off increasing my MDC. Don't forget not everyone is full 60 yet 😉

[austere pilot]

he said late game though lol

if early game fd scaling is even worst if your stats are low

[kindred root]

True. Maybe I'll look into it when I get there

[kindred root]

To be fair late game isn't end game like you. I'd like to think I'm at late game lol

[austere pilot]

you pretty much there at will lol

[kindred root]

Not Gloom yet though. Any tips? Skill rotation, burst, positioning, etc.

[austere pilot]

put everything in pet and just go ham lol

v4 gets cancelled VERY often

theres a lot of things that either stun you, and petrify you

so just focus on not getting hit by meteors and the platforms that come down

I use dominion a lot when those platforms come down

other than that just time your v4 to the best of your ability and go ham

its not really a NW friendly boss as we keep getting knocked out of v4

I only had 1 sucessful v4 yesterday every other time ive gotten knocked out of it

it is definitely easier than lucid

[kindred root]

So V4 with DS/Hero's will then. You use V4 even when eyes are closed?

[austere pilot]

I use my V4 as long as my clones are up

I only focused on surviving yestyerday so everything is on pet

[kindred root]

I see. Was thinking of manualling it when eye is open to better sync the burst

[austere pilot]

tbh

its only a 6 minute fight

manually might end up being worst

[kindred root]

Yeah maybe I'm overthinking it. Focus on clearing first and dpsing after lol

[austere pilot]

thats what we did yesterday

as long as you survive

its pretty much a clear lol

[amber tinsel]

1%fd to about 200 ATK

[austere pilot]

Yep that’s close to the calculator I was using

[kindred root]

Any links to the calculator or explanation on the arrival to this conclusion?

[amber tinsel]

It's just something ive remembered throughout the years. I actually never used the dmg calc

[indigo sun]

Quint bats omen, omen quint bats, bats omen quint in no particular order. You should only need two max to get lvl 60 on all

What’s the best skill node to level first?

[austere pilot]

Max v4 first

[indigo sun]

NGL I hate this class after the cygnus update. Complicated everything a touch more than necessary.

Either way trying to persevere.

[regal agate]

That’s why with pain in my heart I have rerrolled

[indigo sun]

Yikes

[young epoch]

What did you rr to?

[regal agate]

I don’t think I would get any love if I say this: Paladin

I have played all thief classes and archer classes. Never touched warrior or magician so.

[elder pawn]

whats the order for hyper stats?

[austere pilot]

Cap, additional lines, rest whatever ur lacking

[elder pawn]

If I can’t hit dmg cap then I assume it’s final dmg / phy dmg / ba / cd first ?

[austere pilot]

I would do adi final damage cap then fill the rest

[polar fern]

MDC, ADD lines, FD, PD, BA

[nimble crest]

when to use shadow vs ravenous bat

[austere pilot]

shadow bat training

raven bossing

[nimble crest]

ty

[jaunty mountain]

What can I do with the boost nodes that don’t contain any of the main skills (lucky 7, triple, dominion, etc)

[austere pilot]

Those you use to make node shards. You can level the nodes to certain level and extract it for shards then craft nodes you need

[deep moth]

Any1 has any tips on skillwheel for bossing and mobbing?

[jaunty mountain]

Me need that too

[austere pilot]

Dmed u

[jaunty mountain]

Monster!!!

[fast bridge]

Any culvert videos?

[austere pilot]

I can make an updated one this week if yo uneed

[fast bridge]

Would love it bro, thanks
Just rerolled to nw so kinda clueless atm

[austere pilot]

👌

[fast bridge]

[marble raft]

Hi guy

Is nw good to farm and bossing now ?

[austere pilot]

Of course

[young thicket]

As TierB thief absolutely 💯

[austere pilot]

taking echo post too seriously lol

[young thicket]

Not at all. I'm the one second your opinion put us in B tier. So they buff us 🙂

[austere pilot]

he took my comment out of touch lol

the only fault nw has is its v4

the nerf clone didnt even make us any weaker than any other class

like i say to anyone if we didnt have nerfed clone the other classes wouldnt even be nearly close

we can go toe to toe with NL with more iframes and extra life

[fast bridge]

Correct me if im wrong but nw has 2 iframes mainly dark sight and dominion yes?

[austere pilot]

correct

[austere pilot]

if you could you should abuse the dominion more

because the additional bat adds up a bit

tested culvert with and without dominion and always did a lot better with dominion

[fast bridge]

So u shouldnt be holding dominion for the mini iframe

[austere pilot]

if u know u cant survive without it then i would hold it

but honestly for me I just hit it whenever its ready for myself

but I can pretty much tank everything at the moment lol

to the point i can pretty much tank the p2 spider will attack as long as im attacking

[fast bridge]

Havent tried will on nw, so kinda worried HAHAHA

im the aggro in my team

Whats ur hp like? For reference

[young thicket]

preset dominion and shadow dodge, you are free to move while the little iframe is on

[austere pilot]

304

i dont have any hp%

its just full phy sttack on every pot

or phy dmg / cdmg

[marble raft]

I am thinking in between NW and WA haha

I got 216 wind archer

[fast bridge]

Whats ur sc score like if i may ask

[austere pilot]

Only 140k

41 ied

[fast bridge]

Nw has no use for hp% pots huh

[austere pilot]

I only use pe pots for will

[fast bridge]

Should i reroll the flames for 1 line fd? As a nw

[young thicket]

You prob has the best flame imo

[austere pilot]

no

fd is 1% to 200 atk

marginal differences

[fast bridge]

Ok got it, thanks

[deep moth]

Any 1 has tips on hyper stats for nw?

[young thicket]

Depends on how your stats and if your skills CAP. Low fund 12345, semi whales with high CAP 14567, mega whales like Ed maybe sth else

[restive cedar]

what is 12345 refering to?

[regal agate]

The hyper passive

In numerical following (?)

[restive cedar]

I need advice on next steps. which stats should i focus on increasing as a low fund player

lvl 206

sf 175

[regal agate]

Try gaining boss equipment set and sf194

U will stay there until 225

Use events to upgrade you gear

[restive cedar]

which equips should i use to increase BA

[regal agate]

Legion and link skills are also impoetant for %hp and mdc

[restive cedar]

legion currently 1k

should i get some BA emblems

or prioritize CD

my current weapon is CD emblemed

[regal agate]

I would focus on leveling

[restive cedar]

okay

levels are that important?

[regal agate]

CD/BA is preferd 6/2 I believe

[restive cedar]

thanks i needed to hear this

[regal agate]

The bosses really start at higher level, more node skills maxed, more hp etc

More mdc

Hyperstats maxsd

[restive cedar]

okay bet

i dont even think i am hitting mdc

is there a way to know without unit damage skins?

[regal agate]

You got Fog Forest Training Grounds, put boss level at 180 and 15% IED and 1min

Go kill it and then u can check stats

[restive cedar]

for hyper stats which should i prioritize? fd or additional skill or some other?

[young thicket]

FD> additional if you hit cap you can do MDC or additional before FD

[restive cedar]

Sell nodes i pick up for another emblem equip or use my nodes

[mild needle]

Use nodes, it's the cheapest way to increase damage and ur node levels are low so you get even more value

[restive cedar]

when crafting i should prioritize maxing my boost nodes first right?

[mortal ether]

Yes

[elder pawn]

Isit normal for nw to not hit close to mdc even with necro weapon / max nodes ?

[austere pilot]

Yes

[elder pawn]

So for potential I should aim for all the dmg lines rather than hp lines ?

[austere pilot]

depends on if you can survive or not

I have 0 hp lines on my nw

but i survive just fine

asia runs almost full hp lines

[outer snow]

with pots might hit mdc. mine only inherit with pots I can hit max

[elder pawn]

Maybe my potentials are too much hp and too much dmg

[restive cedar]

low fund nw ideal jewels? im currently using crit rate because my crit rate is so low. 42.8% with decent sharp eyes and S crit rate jewel set.

[austere pilot]

Probably pdmg

[restive cedar]

which skill node to prioritize maxing after maxing perfect trio nodes? Shadow bite or shadow spear?

[mortal ether]

Rapid throw, Shadow spear and GDS and then shadow bite last.

[mild needle]

what vskill should I have for mobbing? I've been playing around removing shadow bite

[austere pilot]

Shadow bite is the best for mobbing

Remove v4

[restive cedar]

when people reference vskills like v1, v2, v3, v4

how do I know which skill is associated with which number?

[austere pilot]

Which one came out first

V1 is spear
V2 is teleport clone
V3 is bite
V4 is rapid throw

If I remember correctly this is the order

[restive cedar]

Would you also agree that after maxing boost nodes, the order of maxing the skill nodes should be:

rapid throw -> spear -> clone -> bite

[austere pilot]

I would say so

[restive cedar]

Necro weapon stat option should always be crit damage right

[austere pilot]

Yes

[restive cedar]

whats the ratio for emblems? im reading that it is 6/2

with 6 being BA and 2 being CD

is that right?

[regal agate]

The otherway around I would say

Just look for your own stats

Aim for 150% BA and 400% CD

[austere pilot]

personally meta would be all CD

its very hard for NW to hit cap

[restive cedar]

Have you seen substantially more damage going full cd?

[austere pilot]

Since the beginning of maiming nw cd gave more damage

[restive cedar]

Even with the crit res that some bosses have?

[austere pilot]

Crit res doesn’t have any effect on ba vs cd

[amber tinsel]

wild from 6 BA in beginning days to now full CD? oh how we have fallen again

[restive cedar]

if nexon switches up again 😭 i stg

bis jewels? phys dmg increase? or BA?

[swift loom]

What’s the best v matrix trios for night walker?

[elder pawn]

Pdi or ba jewel?

[polar fern]

PDI

[subtle briar]

Do the throwing stars in crystal store work for normal attack only?

[scenic notch]

They work with quint just hard to see it over all the purple attacks

Poo stars>

[eager steppe]

I am piling HP pots in sf90

[eager steppe]

Is nw any good pre 200

[eager steppe]

I invest because I like using trash classes for sf maps

@inland palm how about bossing , I got lucky with bosses at lower lvl than other Cygnus

Also makes sense

If a char is good, I willing to burn stones on normal eq to legend sf144

Should I go for sf 139 or 120 with minimal inv

[austere pilot]

It’s only good 200+

[eager steppe]

Got it, shall chill at lv 185 where dailies exp sux and it can't even eos

[trail quartz]

Can anyone share their burst rotation? Having trouble finding any info

[mortal ether]

I do: Dominion > > backstep (cancel dominion animation) > > Greater dark servant > > will node >> shadow bite >> omen > > Cygnus summon > > Rapid throw >> then spam quint.

[trail quartz]

Thanks i'll try this one!

[misty crest]

Kmsm nw buff recent patch

[mild needle]

this looks pretty bad right

[hybrid arch]

For weaker nw yes

Patch was designed for end game and whale

[mortal ether]

We also lost 30% dmg on ravenous bat 🦇 via bat affinity 3 skill nerf but gained flat 15% skill dmg on ravenous bat and 15% passive phy dmg and 15% crit dmg from shadow illusion now.

[grave kiln]

[austere pilot]

Damage or lines

Cause the damage don’t matter

If we keep our lines

You can always upgrade gear

But never upgrade more lines

[mortal ether]

Yeah the lines for bats are unchanged.

[austere pilot]

Ya we chilling brother

[hybrid arch]

You are both of them and more

[grave kiln]

[hybrid arch]

Yea

[polar fern]

Anyone did a test pre-patch to compare after patch?

[elder pawn]

Will there be a change in hyper skill cause of the new passive ?

[amber tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/contemplating-thinking-eating-chewing-eat-gif-3349374

[grave kiln]

[cold coyote]

Looks like we can expect a net increase despite the massive nerf to QS.

[coarse spoke]

what did you input for chatgpt?

[cold coyote]

First Prompt:

"I need help analyzing how the most recent changes to my class in the game Maplestory M will effect my character. I will provide the following information via screenshots; my characters stats, a list of changes to the skills for my class, and a battle analysis summary. I would like to know how these changes will effect my character."

Second Prompt:

"Unfortunately, Quintuple star cannot be replaced in my skill rotation. Knowing that, how would this change the results provided?"

[grave kiln]

What prompt to ask chatgpt to boss for me weekly

[cold coyote]

"How to get gud?"

[amber tinsel]

[austere pilot]

why would u do a prepatch test

when cap is different

it would be different if cap was the same you have something to compare it to

[scenic notch]

was v2 cooldown always 30s?

nvm im dumb

[mortal ether]

It used to be 45s before it got nerfed iirc

[polar fern]

We got some lines

[austere pilot]

ya

more lines new cap

how does that translate to old cap old lines

lol

[elder pawn]

New hyper passive from darkness ascending vs omen ?

[scenic notch]

not needed still cap without those darkness passives

[elder pawn]

What about for non capping

[fast bridge]

Is this worth to use now? 20% CD 100% up time

[rigid horizon]

Yes its worth it, it helps to compensate the nerf in quin throw

[fast bridge]

Which other hyper to forego tho

Maybe omen reinforce? (20% fd)

[rigid horizon]

Yup

Remove omen its easily capped

[elder pawn]

Is the new physical atk passive from darkness ascending good? Or physical attack in general not so good

[rigid horizon]

Not worth to switch over to bro

[mortal ether]

Yeah I agree with this

[austere pilot]

Should always test yourself with hyper

Due to stats

[polar fern]

Red: Will best pre-patch
Purple: Will after patch

[polar fern]

Best before probably with BossRush.
After w/o BossRush

+43,18m MDC from patch

[austere pilot]

So what’s tldr?

It’s very interesting to see quint and spear does more damage than rapid throw now

Bite lines tripled

Assuming same time per run

[lost timber]

@amber tinsel take notes

[lost timber]

He prob got hit out of rapid throw cuz it's less lines per use after patch

Because Nexon didn't bother giving us iframe during it still like we all wanted

[mortal ether]

No clue why they still haven’t done this

[lost timber]

To make us suffer

[austere pilot]

Bro sending meme data’s

[lost timber]

Just a casual 3k lines missing

No big deal

[mortal ether]

From my 2min test in training grounds before and after patch I calculated I gained around 1.3k extra lines per 2min. 1358 from what I tested. From rapid throw, shadow bite, venom, will node and Cygnus summon extra lines.

[austere pilot]

Free lines r best lines

[amber tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-girl-middle-finger-mood-screw-you-leave-me-alone-gif-12370831691995374617

[lost timber]

[nimble aspen]

Hi, what should be the ratio of BA to CD emblem for night walker ?

[austere pilot]

Minimum 4:4 tbh

You need more cd than ba

[rigid horizon]

All cd

To cap min lines

[lost timber]

As long as you have this your fine

I tend to aim for 2CD6BA

[amber tinsel]

with that new change to quints dmg like 5-6 now but as ed said 4/4 min

.

[amber tinsel]

this was my first set up when we had high dmg main skill

[misty flower]

How’s nw for everyone so far ?

[amber tinsel]

still miss that clone

im debating swapping omen reinforce for 3x quint

[misty flower]

What hypers are u on?

[amber tinsel]

3 omen 2 quint may do an unbuffed 3 min and 3 buffed test both with set ups to see

[noble oracle]

How much Mdc you playing

[mortal ether]

it’s better to do darkness ascending crit dmg hyper rather than quint crit dmg since DA hyper is passive and will grant 20% crit for all skills (including quint) rather than just the flat 20% crit dmg only for quint on the quint crit dmg hyper.

[polar fern]

My test

3quint 2 Omen hypers

Apparently, quintuple and V4 are limited by clone damage, increasing status won't make a difference for me those skills

[austere pilot]

it would be very pointless to do 3 quint with darkness CD

[torn quail]

Nw nerf or its good?

[scenic notch]

why do people think its a nerf

all our dps is v4 and that got buffed

[amber tinsel]

not as much as that^ but i gained 40m mdc since pre patch

[torn quail]

So nw and nl need alot of money to decent damage ? With compared anothwr jobs?

[scenic notch]

yes and levels

[austere pilot]

if anything I would put this patch put us above NL lol

more lines and still better survivability

[mortal ether]

This Patch buffed us a lot

[torn quail]

Nice bro

Any csn help in passives 141-181?

[misty flower]

Interesting , what’s the recommended latest hyper set up?

Trying to figure if there’s a difference to 20% cd quin hyper and 20% cd passive on DA .

[amber tinsel]

anyone here currently have the DA hypers? i have a question

[eager steppe]

Nw mobility is alright even without rope lift

[noble oracle]

Our class is one of the best now imo

Since long time

Need to max stats but awesome improvments

[polar fern]

Me too, I do Will with an NL, we was close dmg, but 2 runs after patch I did better (he has +9m mdc)

[mortal ether]

Yes I traded omen reinforce for Ascending CD. So 2 quint 2 omen 1 darkness ascending. Did two unbuffed tests DA ascending hyper gave higher total dmg and the individual difference between omen dmg (using omen reinforce hyper instead) isn’t significant. When buffed omen should cap anyway so omen reinforce pretty much no point imo.

[mortal ether]

CD quint hyper only affects quintuple throw skill. 20% CD hyper on DA ascending is passive so affects our whole kit.

[amber tinsel]

so does the CD show on the stats page? even without the skill procd?

what confuses me is that it says "passive" which normally means what it means without using but it says applied to Darkness ascending which is also our revive.
lose the skill, lose the cd?

Before, it \was worth when and if you kept leap with you at all times to have it up at all times, but that changed years ago.

[mortal ether]

I didn’t confirm this on stats page (although I’m not sure it would show up there as it’s passive cd for skills) but I did two tests with omen reinf , and with ascending CD and ascending CD hyper gave higher dmg when comparing the two battle analysis in hunting grounds so I assumed it works as the description says as a passive.

So as long as you have ascending darkness on pet you should receive this passive effect at all times is my understanding regardless.

[amber tinsel]

what i want to confirm is if its truly passive, even if its on pets but you lose the skill due to death, the CD still take affect

if you lose the CD then its not worth because you lose it during cooldown. especially for bosses that run back to back

[mortal ether]

By the wording of passive and how this is used in Maple it shouldn’t though. Regardless of if procs or not it should just now add the 20% CD. Otherwise it wouldn’t be considered passive. Although I can’t confirm this 100%.

[amber tinsel]

yeah but its our revive skill not a normal or attack skill/buff

i just tested one of my NW alts and it does change stat

WIth DA Hyper without procd or pet

Without DA Hyper

so per total hyper set up in question now is to test

Quint Reinforce
Quint BR
Omen Reduction
Omen Maintain
Ascending CD

vs 3 Omen 2 quint
or
3 quint 2 omen

[mortal ether]

So see if you die and it goes on cd if we lose the stat. That’s the main concern right?

[amber tinsel]

this without it procd

so its constant

i just changed the hyper checked before and after didnt use the buff

[mortal ether]

Ah great then it’s truly passive then

[amber tinsel]

even using skill the duration expired and still there

[mortal ether]

Ok that confirms it then it’s better than quint cd

[amber tinsel]

the trade off for omen FD for CD everything (DA) worth cuz as even ed said, not hard to cap omen but id have to visually check myself

https://tenor.com/view/spit-it-out-doughboy-boyz-n-the-hood-say-it-speak-gif-21699388

@scenic notch

[scenic notch]

Idk with that cd passive I have over 600 CD

[amber tinsel]

[amber tinsel]

dayum

[scenic notch]

Don't think capping is an issue with whatever passive I pick

[amber tinsel]

yeah you not wrong but for lower or mid tier players could be the difference to help

[scenic notch]

But I'll try it out in Will on Thursday

[mortal ether]

Yeah this is what I was saying too. So it’s better to do quint FD, quint boss, omen cooldown, omen maintain, ascending cd

Or nah?

[amber tinsel]

correct in terms of collective dps output for the majority between all the skills, this would be the optimal set up i believe now

[mortal ether]

Ok nice yeah

[amber tinsel]

just no one try and say swap something else to do DA Phy Atk too

[mortal ether]

And Ty for testing on your nw alt

[amber tinsel]

whats a 100 crystals

[mortal ether]

I didn’t check stats page when I did it I just went of battlegrounds so wasn’t sure if it actually showed up in stat window.

[scenic notch]

We got a free hyper reset ticket

[amber tinsel]

yeah i wanted to confirm that cuz it will apply to all the skills where as CD quint wont show up in stats. just in the background of skill dmg % equation

[scenic notch]

That's what I used lol

[amber tinsel]

this my phant acc not main didnt wanna waste mine yet

[mortal ether]

Yeah understood and the way the DA ascending works it could be easily confused so it’s good to confirm it’s truly passive.

[amber tinsel]

yeah for me reason i wanted to check cuz the leap changes once again. before i ALWAYS kept leap with me so always had up time for DA so i ran the old 2x DA set up

back then

[scenic notch]

Also I hard to nerf my DMG during Will. Agro was bouncing and messing up the run

[misty flower]

Sounds cool . Will try to swap my hypers . But doubt will see any huge difference

[torn quail]

Heloo any main here ? Who can help with pasivves 141-181 the besto choice please

[winter eagle]

Quint Reinforce/Quint Boss Rush/Omen CD Reduction/Omen Maintain/Ascending Crit Dmg

that's the 5 that im using

[torn quail]

Nice thx bro

[mortal ether]

Anyone else have this bug where this doesn’t auto buff? It’s so annoying. Any solutions? Or is it just me lol?

Have had this issue for a while now…

[amber tinsel]

are there other Cygnus in party? if so then thats why

[eager steppe]

So there's no need to max all my Cygnus meso farmers

[mortal ether]

Ahh could possibly be maybe… but I’m pretty sure it’s happened when I’m solo also.

[mortal ether]

Usually when I tank a death after darkness revive I notice it starts to act up. But it could be the Cygnus party thing. I never paid attention to that.

[regal agate]

I noticed it’s also for Paladin’s MapleWRrior buff

Looking at the preset and it’s not being used by my pets

[mortal ether]

Hmm strange…

[topaz egret]

.

[elder pawn]

What nodes to max after spear / gds / rapid throw

Last resort worth to max?

[acoustic moat]

shadow bite?

[austere pilot]

shadow bite is correct this guy is good

[acoustic moat]

learn from the worse. rapid throwing the wrong way

[scenic notch]

Letting greater dark servant do all the hits

[austere pilot]

Can’t believe u saw that

[elder pawn]

Shadow bite decrease in cooldown on level up’s ? Or purely for dmg only

[austere pilot]

Damage

[hybrid arch]

A lot of lines too

[weak merlin]

Do nw non auto battleable nodes have any passive skills?

[violet harness]

Anyone can teach me how to play nw properly

[regal agate]

Kill the boss from a range

Time all your clones and buffs together

Then burst

Then do low damage, and repeat

[lost timber]

Staying at a distance is genuinely just bad tho

[fast bridge]

Stay near for dark omen to hit

[regal agate]

[weak merlin]

What are the most important nodes for mobbing?

[torn quail]

Hey bros ,nw its good now ? I looking for new main , im comong from bowmaster , any help?

[hybrid arch]

Nw is okay only strong when you land your v4 with all the buffs. Probably a top 15 class imo. If anything it’s peaking at 10th in overall only because of the v4. No cool downs = wet noodle. I think the sentiment is up there somewhere. Clone changes from a year +* ago made us not so good since our damage actually comes from the extra clone we lost on top of formula change.

I would be inclined to say most other thief class would be friendlier to wallet and better bang for buck

Would honestly stick to BM. They’re very easy to play and do a lot of consistent damage. Most classes are on par with each other. Hurricane class is easy mode.

[grave kiln]

[torn quail]

Oh ,ok bro thx 😀

[snow flax]

Hi guys... this is my old abandoned main, does anyone have some tips as to what could help him survive SF158 for mesos farming? Currently he simply cannot survive for 5 minutes ._.

[torn quail]

Maybe jewel link skill , and legion for more hp , and guild skills etc , and change that unique items for legend boss iyems

[fallow lagoon]

apart from HP, try Yellow jewel S set effect for that knockback resistance, helped my NW survive (4 years ago lol)

[snow flax]

That's sounds weird enough to work tbh... ty I'll try that ;D

[fallow lagoon]

ye for my case , its not that i didnt have sufficient damage/hp, but the clump of mobs were chain stunning me (knockback) , so the resist really helped , so give it a try n see

[grizzled roost]

Hey yall I'm a little lost on NW skills lol. We're supposed to autobattle with Shadow Spark (a lv30/2nd job skill)? That's the only multi-target no-cooldown attack that I see

I also equipped Quint Star, to trigger Dark Omen's cooldown decrease. Or is that unnecessary?
edit: I removed Quint, DO's -cd still works.

Sorry for the ping @hybrid arch @acoustic moat

[austere pilot]

Nw mobbing is really bad

It requires your bats to do majority of the work

[grizzled roost]

Haha yeah feels that way. Good thing I’m only doing DD & Mini Dungeon for now

Thanks boss

[rough sable]

Yeah shadow spark, dark omen, and dominion are pretty much your only aoe's before 200 haha shadow bats ((not ravenous)) do a good bit of the heavy lifting for aoe though

You can use quint if you're having issues surviving higher sf 😅

[grizzled roost]

Man good looking out on the bats. I had Ravenous on haha. Thanks!

[torn quail]

Hard choice , rr nl or nw xd anycknow Who its btter in next patch balance?

[steel marten]

NL is easier to play. NW requires too much coordination and timing your burst

[austere pilot]

NW easier in every boss but vhilla due to self heal my king

[ebon plover]

can anyone let me know whats nw tri nodes?

[fast bridge]

Bats quint omen

[ebon plover]

can anyone show me Nw skill setup , Buff rotation, Pet Auto buff setup on which skill to put?

Vskills and hyperstats/skill priority is also appreciated

[indigo sun]

Shadow spear post 200 def helps that, but I agree.

[indigo sun]

Been there 🤣

[steel marten]

I put almost everything on pets. Simple wheel so I don’t need to worry about constant refreshing

[steel marten]

3 omen quint star reinforce and darkness ascending cd or cd reduction

Prioritize rapid throw, greater dark servant, shadow spear, shadow bite

Breakdown of the damage

[polar fern]

Which boss is this chart?

nVhilla? hVhilla?

[steel marten]

Nvhilla

[kindred root]

Why omen FD?

[steel marten]

Trouble hitting cap

[grave kiln]

L > NW POV video for research purposes

[acoustic moat]

[grave kiln]

[weak merlin]

Why cant they make older classes greater again but give us lynn

[ebon plover]

thanks for showing me this, getting a pet with 3 buff extra slot gonna be a challange in the future.

[ebon plover]

i did 3 quint 3 omen, ntg on the darkness ascend. is this bad?

[steel marten]

Overall, more stats for darkness ascending crit damage. Passive cd.
I use Darkness ascending cooldown reduction for vhilla. Extra life is super useful.

[ebon plover]

Oh wait will i still get hyper point?

Or i only get 6

[steel marten]

only 5

[ebon plover]

Eh?

But i got 3x quint 3x omen. Thats 6

[steel marten]

check again. you only get 5

[ebon plover]

Ah yikes u are right

Is there a way to reset hyper?

Or is 100 crystal the only way

[regal agate]

Sometimes u can buy it in event shop too

And maybe u get a free one with rebalance update this month

[ebon plover]

Is the current octo event 100coin can reset?

Its called hyper skill reset

Cost 100 octopus coins

Is this the one that reset the stat tho?

[steel marten]

yes

[regal agate]

Yup

100 crystals saved

[violet harness]

Anyone have NW rebalance info?

[ebon plover]

nice thanks

[grave kiln]

Reduce to one clone

Nah. I’ll RR if that happens

[violet harness]

Oh you joking or thats real? @@

[steel marten]

He’s Mr. John Nexon. 1 tapped all his gear

[grave kiln]

[amber tinsel]

This boi thinks he's a nightlord

[regal agate]

Im a old NW main, but I can’t remember it: did we have a iframe buff before?

I translated KMS patch notes and they’ve added a 10sec iframe buff?

Cooldown 120sec

[scenic notch]

from what i saw in the korean patch notes dark sight gets nerfed and we get a totally new skill thats an iframe

[regal agate]

Yeah darksight to 5seconds I believe

Shadowers keep 10 seconds from advanced version

[polar fern]

The new skill is also Time Leaped?

[steel marten]

[quartz vector]

actually, shadowers and DB's have 15s of Dark Sight right now

so they are going to lose 5s of Dark Sight, while NW and NL are getting 5s of iframe because they got a new skill that gives 10s iframes

[steel marten]

[grave kiln]

[amber tinsel]

dont die

[grave kiln]

Ima just stay alive 5 seconds longer

[steel marten]

we are saved. v4 is now an iframe

[acoustic moat]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[polar fern]

[austere pilot]

I hate night walkers

[acoustic moat]

thats why hes a NL now

MakegameF2P has retired. rise of Novathebest

[violet harness]

Anyone have the rebalance leaks for nw and sdw? 🙁

[regal agate]

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/juCBK4kz63h7H0-7Bef55Q

This KMS, it’s not even sure we get the same right now

[violet harness]

Thank you kind sir

[austere pilot]

trash class

[grave kiln]

[austere pilot]

glory to Night Lords

[steel marten]

c u in the buccaneer forum

[austere pilot]

dont understand the changes

ssure slight line change for spear and bite

but a lot of thieves got similar buffs without cd change

rather b a db at this point brothers

[grave kiln]

Bout to join bobo with WH

[weak merlin]

Yea

Might as well delete the class like unreleased mihile

[hybrid arch]

We lost lines.

Culvert down most likely

[austere pilot]

anything less than 5 minutes we lose a lot of lines

[mortal ether]

https://tenor.com/view/artan-artan-sad-doomer-sad-doomer-gif-15259508

So Rapid throw got double the cd but less than double the lines… I’m assuming the logic is spear and shadow bite additional lines compensate for the loss of lines in that time period?

Or we just flat out lose total lines?

Need some copium

[scenic notch]

[austere pilot]

theoretically if the fight is long like 7 - 9 minutes long

we are okay

because you dont really burst exactly off cooldown

but short term fights like cuvlert we definitely took a hit

[steel marten]

We can burst with iframe now

[mortal ether]

https://tenor.com/view/fridge-dissapointed-no-food-my-excitement-for-food-is-now-gone-oh-nevermind-gif-17411460

[austere pilot]

u could always just DS brothermen

[kindred root]

60s CD Culvert allows 3 V4 uses {[(27 x 15)+48] x 5} x 3 = 6795 lines

Post Patch allows 2 V4 burst so;
{[(48 x 15)+84] x 5} x 2 = 8040 lines

[mortal ether]

It’s so weird how pc rapid throw has inbuilt ds and msm doesn’t …

[kindred root]

Basically we lose out on content that last an odd number of minutes and fare better in even number of minutes content. But coupled with the additional lines from other skills and the simplicity of not having to worry about syncing V4 with clones/spear/GDS every burst cycle, I'd say seems like its overall pretty decent

[austere pilot]

I mean they're comparing it to the fact that other thieves had line gains with little to none drawbacks while nw gets shafted every other patch

Just cause we all got lines doesn't mean it's not an indirect nerf.

[kindred root]

Just putting it out there, its not all doom and gloom. Actually excited to see how much GHB and SC will improve. And overall just pleased with simplifying our burst

[austere pilot]

I mean the only thing I see that's a perk is the ease of playing the class but even then its easier to play something like a NL. Everything else seems better to be any other thieves at the moment sadly.

And by ease it's just the v4. Everything else is practically the same between all the thieves in terms of stand there and attack lol

[mortal ether]

Thanks for the cope

[mortal ether]

Let’s see after update I guess, but Yh other thieves seem to have the increased lines with no comparable drawback to their kit like our rapid throw cd gain

[hybrid arch]

Okay with coping, but when you spend more than most people to do less.

[cold coyote]

GPT cope

[hybrid arch]

See how it rides out I guess. Just Nexon things

[mortal ether]

https://tenor.com/view/kaspa-kaspa-cope-kaspa-copium-kas-kas-cope-gif-4442308839343392856

[amber tinsel]

[ebon plover]

is it me or last resort cant be used twice anymore?

[hybrid arch]

Check the patch notes for the common skills

You don’t tap twice for stage 2 anymore

[ebon plover]

Oh dang its 20sec only now

[scenic notch]

i still have 4 open matrix slots what else should i put?

[steel marten]

Honestly just get all the skills so many open slots

[scenic notch]

triple and quad throw next i guess lol

[steel marten]

Get the decent skills if you haven’t gotten them

And the erda skills

[austere pilot]

I made stitch dominion and spark node lol

Not that u even need it but yolo

Oh snap u did that ur a nerd

[scenic notch]

i did too last night

i still have 4 free lots lol

[austere pilot]

I had like so many random nodes this morning

So I leveled everything lol

How do u have stats left

To enhance those

[scenic notch]

been hoarding nodes for no reason

[austere pilot]

I only have two slots left

How u get four

[scenic notch]

the stich and dominion trio are just 2

[austere pilot]

O

[scenic notch]

quint omen bats is 3 but i can do 2 if i want

[austere pilot]

Isn't it better to.use enhance on some random decent

[scenic notch]

theres 2 more on the third page

slots

[austere pilot]

Oh god I didn't even check the other pages lol

[topaz egret]

I’m looking for 2 min line count along with battle analysis results. Please let me know your best number!

[steel marten]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[grave kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/60fps-knee-slapper-spongebob-milkcord-gif-27449345

[hybrid arch]

Why is the gif so smooth

[austere pilot]

I wonder what is our effective line

With classes that has no clones

We got like three reduced dumb clones

[polar fern]

We can approximate this...
Doing the test on the statue with all lines hitting CAP, take the total damage caused and divide it by your MDC.

Reduce your MDC unequiping some equipments to garantee you is capping all lines and clones lines

[austere pilot]

Our clone is 50/30/25?

Idk how you would quantify that lol

To effective lines

[steel marten]

Just ask ChatGPT

[scenic notch]

I had someone tell me NW op this morning

They don't even play it

I blame @fast finch and his videos

[steel marten]

The weak clones up 66% of the time. Gds clone up 50% of the time

But for 3 min, weak clones up 77% of the time

[fast finch]

i blame @polar fern for beating my pally with 30m less mdc

[scenic notch]

All I know is I can't beat a blaster with 40m more

[grave kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/hehehe-ghehe-reptile-laughing-gif-gif-26223253

[steel marten]

in a 1min fight. scale rapid throw by 0.64 and quint throw by 0.57 for effective line count

in 2min fight, scale quint throw by 0.5156 for effective line count

1 min fight scaling for quint throw

2 min fight scaling for quint throw

rapid throw should have all clones up

in summary, stop the NW propaganda @fast finch

[fast finch]

So 4k lines = 2.2-2.4k full capped lines ?

[steel marten]

yep

[fast finch]

Well good thing you have 5k lines over the 2nd best class than also has clones

Propaganda is back

[steel marten]

[fast finch]

What was rapid throw lines like pre patch? Was it like a 1k increase in lines over 2 min?

[steel marten]

this was one cast but it's so hard to get the perfect 2nd cast off due to the small window of all your clones up and ds4 up

that's also michael's chart

[scenic notch]

[scenic notch]

Why is my rapid throw before patch higher than that pic?

Before and after

They let go before big star?

[austere pilot]

dont we have 4 clones

main person
clone 1 70
clone 2 50
clone 3 30

[steel marten]

Gds brother

[fast finch]

#Nwstory

[grave kiln]

The shrimp didn’t die

[steel marten]

[grave kiln]

#crabking

[fast finch]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-there-up-there-big-smile-hey-you-gif-15031085

[scenic notch]

Fake news. NW bad

[steel marten]

all i see is 3set NW losing to a 2set WH

[fast finch]

Whoops I forgot to mention he did that dps in 3 min.

[acoustic moat]

thats crazy this MakeGameF2P can do this dmg, but miss V4 twice in damien.

[austere pilot]

damien harder boss brother

[amber tinsel]

you mean EdStory

always been that

[weak merlin]

Is nw mobbing better than nl now?

[austere pilot]

i think nl still better

[hybrid arch]

NL probably even better now considering we got nothing that involved mobbing lol

[austere pilot]

i see my char

walking around more than doing anything

the cast time is too slow

[weak quest]

unsure if pinned, but what hyper passive should i have

[old marlin]

Any recent yt vid of bossing with the new skill changes? Thinking about investing again in my old nw

[steel marten]

@austere pilot time to bring back the YouTube

[austere pilot]

Im a runescape main

[austere pilot]

There's no difference between today and one year ago

The concept is still the same

Just longer cooldown for rapid throw

[scenic notch]

Yeah just hold quint preset longer and wait for all clones and v4

[amber tinsel]

Ye not an iframe but won't get knockback unless u die it wasted

[red nexus]

anyone want to share a good v matrix setup and which gear needed would be apreciated 🙂

[austere pilot]

prioritize this

[red nexus]

thx alot 😄

[weak merlin]

So nw is goated for sf147 mule because once you are lv 200 you prefer sf150++

Its so weak that lvl can lie

[hybrid arch]

That’s a gear issue

[grave kiln]

I’m still weak

[hybrid arch]

259 says otherwise

[amber tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-right-kangaroo-chew-eating-eat-gif-17215156

https://tenor.com/view/lie-detector-maury-povich-paternity-liar-gif-12599954

[grave kiln]

[torn quail]

Any can help with hyper pasives 141-181?

[steel marten]

1. FD
2. PD
3. additional skill line

[wind sluice]

In the latest patch is Night Walker or Night Lord better overall? Looking to start a 2nd main after investing in Adele for a year

[weak merlin]

Night lord

Nw needs more funding

[hybrid arch]

Be a shadower or db

[weak merlin]

Db👀

[austere pilot]

Phantom

[torn quail]

Wath its more easy to use nw or nl ?

[steel marten]

NL burst easier to do. NW can heal. depends what your playstyle is

[austere pilot]

Nw is easier long term

If u put a team of night lords and a team for night walkers battle to survive all bosses

Nl got no chance

[torn quail]

Need more gear nw than nl? Ora its same in both?

[austere pilot]

I would say they are equal