Kaiser

[kindred grotto]

all buffs on pets i assume?

show your wheel too

[analog bridge]

Nah

Free pets

[kindred grotto]

oh so no pets

[analog bridge]

Yes

WOL too expensive on my server currently

175m

Maybe when they drop to 35m again then I’ll consider

[kindred grotto]

my AB wheel is

1. Preset: Gigas + Wingbeat
2. Ancestral Prominence
3. Stone Dragon or Inferno Breath
4. Dragon Barrage
5. Inferno Breath or Stone Dragon
6. Pantheon (if you have)

[kindred grotto]

yeah no, take stone dragon and inferno breath off your preset

[analog bridge]

i assume inferno drake is inferno breath?

[kindred grotto]

yea

[analog bridge]

So I definitely need pets?

[kindred grotto]

depends on if you can kill or not

priority buffs are probably atk speed buff > FF transform > tempest blade

you can make do with silver pets if needed

[analog bridge]

ok ill try with the new AB wheel and see how it goes

[frozen isle]

Why are you still using good cook medal

Use the story medal with 300patk

[kindred grotto]

it's a meso farmer for him. i doubt he spending time on black heaven quest 😂

[frozen isle]

🥹

[echo nimbus]

Hey fellow kaisers! I had the following problem during pierre: if I have too much buffs, and in final form, I can't see which hat is on me. It was kinda frustrating, until I realised, since final form is dmg reflect immune, I won't heal the opposite color clown. In my most recent run it seemed like it is true, I can hit both of them clowns without healing them, but I would appreciate if someone confirmed my experience 😬

[wise finch]

Confirmed. You can hit any clown in final form.

[final nova]

how would you gear a kaiser for sf144 without pets ?

[frozen isle]

Mythic weap and bis legendary gear

[frozen isle]

Anyone know how worth it is to use stone dragon and inferno breath for high efficiency farming/kpm

[feral thistle]

Is there anyone here a high level or just really knowledgeable who can help me please drop me a dm I've been playing for a month or so now and have hit lvl 150 on a couple of toons and now don't know what to do I don't know how to level my gear up further etc feel like im missing things.. I'll return the favour in whatever way I can if u play osrs I'll give u 100m xD

[lunar raft]

Can you show your char gear?

[feral thistle]

@lunar raft that's my 2 best chars

[lunar raft]

it's better to sf unique gear up first b4 ranking them to legendary.

are you f2p?

[feral thistle]

@lunar raft I'm struggling to get mesos to get my hyper stats and also my sf upgrades, yeah f2p but I have money to spend how much you recommend?

[lunar raft]

I wouldn't worry about hyper stats yet unless u already have alot of meso.

f2p takes more patience. so don't rush it

I'm f2p too

I'm lvl 225

[feral thistle]

Is there a strongest class to have as a main?

Someone said I shouldn't main my cadena

[lunar raft]

paladin, duel blade

blaster

top op dps

[feral thistle]

So my dual blade

Should I focus on that

[lunar raft]

the have more dmg lines

make sure to sf unique first b4 ranking it up

[feral thistle]

And also what should I do with my gear should I just buy full new unique and get it all high sf then rank it back up

[lunar raft]

try to get to 17 or 18 sf

[feral thistle]

Because my gear the now I can't level it up it just breaks then costs 500m for another piece

[lunar raft]

second option if u wanna keep your gear is to buy sf scroll

[feral thistle]

What scroll

U mean protection etc

[lunar raft]

ts got sf scroll u can buy

sf17 scroll

if u don't wanna back track

[feral thistle]

Ts?

[lunar raft]

trade station

[feral thistle]

No fkn way

[lunar raft]

yeah as a f2p using ts help you but u gotta be patient with the prices

they go up n down

[feral thistle]

Bro just checked that's no option the scrolls got a 50% chance and costs 500m 😂😂

Also something I really wanted to know, when I'm doing expeditions etc should I wear the items I get from expeditions (items with boss atk) over my main gear or not ?

[lunar raft]

yeah use expedition accessories for sf. commander drops gonna take awhile get it since droprate sucks for commander.

[feral thistle]

Why do I use expedition accessories in sf? Just so I know because my gear is better by the looks of it

[frozen isle]

By accessories he means like earrings, rings, and necklaces

Also czak hat and cpb belt will help considerably at this stage
since the belt contributes to set effect and has better stats(and allows for full expo set effect and exp gear)
For the hat czak hat is gives more stats than ur current one(even though it has less defense)

[kindred grotto]

got jebaited. thought kaisers were popping off again

[kindred grotto]

pls use the appropriate channels for your questions. you'll get better responses there. #msm-game-help or #msm-general. Use specific class #1047356086644125796 if you have specific class questions

[kindred grotto]

not super useful in small maps but it can help in larger maps. the summons stay a while and you technically can put down 2 inerno breaths at once (hopefully in different areas)

[frozen isle]

So for like af 120 summons increase kpm right

[kindred grotto]

check it! just do like a 5 min run with and without the dragons to compare the KPMs

best if you do it solo since party compositions will change the outcome unless you're working in a preset

[frozen isle]

True I'm lazy tho

[frozen isle]

Do you know if summons trigger adi separately or is it like a global thng where when your character skill(any) triggers it it's back to a 1.5s cd

[kindred grotto]

I believe its a chance per attack so yes

[frozen isle]

Oh then thats one for the farming hyper stat page

[kindred grotto]

Lol what no

[frozen isle]

I mean like 5 stat points

[kindred grotto]

lol still no

PEXP/EXP > Buff Item > Fever

Then i would prob do CR > FD but thats most likely not needed until you reach end game maps and that need will prob change once you get there

[echo nimbus]

Kaiser rebalance incoming with the october patch! What do you guys think, what changes will be done?

[kindred grotto]

at the bare minimum I hope it's a fix for tempest blade targeting but that probably will never happen

[lunar raft]

they gotta buff bladefall and Draco surge.

[kindred grotto]

Bladefall update seems great

[rapid raven]

Kaiser buffedddddd

Fantastickkkkkk

[final nova]

Great buffs, thought i think they could give us even more lines

Gigas wave need a hit count buff

[frozen isle]

I'm assuming blade burst is still not viable for farming over Gigas? @kindred grotto

[echo nimbus]

Does anybody use blade burst? Is it any good? I've never touched it... I'm happy for the buffs, although I hoped inferno breath and stone dragon gets a bit more love. Gigas wave buff is great tho, finally some good dmg for the "only" skill we really use 😂

[kindred grotto]

has never been. autobattle AI doesnt make it useful

[frozen isle]

Rip

[kindred grotto]

it's only useful in PCMS since you jump around and manually cast faster

[frozen isle]

Oh it's an ai problem

[kindred grotto]

yeah, plus the target count/range differences

and would be map dependent since blade burst is useful when platforms are close but if you have a big map then you lose out on that

[kindred grotto]

Nope, blade burst is PCMS only. Gigas attacks faster, hits more, and reaches farther

[lunar raft]

Draco surge buff missing

[echo nimbus]

Did a 2 minute dmg test, going to do one after the patch. If you're interested I'll post the results (although my gear/node progression is not that impressive)

[kindred grotto]

did you do the post test yet?

[echo nimbus]

Just woke up, going to do now

This was pre-patch

and this one post patch

I used no buffs, only fickle queen was used by pet. I don't feel significantly stronger...

I'm far from dmg cap and complete nodes, and I'm f2p, I was just curious how this update would affect me. Not much it seems like

[carmine charm]

@hollow ridge here!

[hollow ridge]

ty bro

[errant harness]

i'm a returning player with a level 130~ kaiser alt, and my buff pets seem to have expired

i seem to recall kaiser being pretty good at sf, but will i need to invest in some pets?

[final nova]

yeah

kaiser has a lot of buffs

but wonder blue for you is ok now

they are really cheap because of wonder berry so its the perfect time to buy like 3 sets of them

for the next months

[errant harness]

i've actually never bought a pet before, is wonder blue something i can just find in the ah?

[final nova]

in the ts

check for pet exchange tickets

the pets with the blue mark are the wonder blue ones

dont forget to buy them from the same set

so you get the 3 slots of buffs on all of them

[errant harness]

got it, ty

[analog bridge]

Bruh your server pets are cheap

Mines are over 50m each

[errant harness]

which three buffs are the most important for kaiser pets?

[frozen isle]

Transformation, atk speed, and prob tempest blades

[errant harness]

ty!

[hollow ridge]

hi

let me ask some question .

what's the best hyper skill for kaiser?

i don't know about this but i choose Tranform skill duration.

[kindred grotto]

check the pins!

[hollow ridge]

how to check the pins ? bro

[hollow ridge]

wow ty bro

but i need to know why i still get only 1 skill point i'm lvl 144.

[kindred grotto]

you get 1 point per 10 levels from 141 to 181. 5 points max

[hollow ridge]

so if i get lvl 151 i'll have 2 skill points.

[frozen isle]

First time my vskills have out damaged my main skill

[kindred grotto]

What lvls ur vskills?

[frozen isle]

15

And my boost nodes are 60

[finite gyro]

Hi all

[echo nimbus]

Wow, so much dmg 😮 do you have necro weapon?

[frozen isle]

No I'm all inherit and I still can't clear solo ark

[frozen isle]

Also buffs

[echo nimbus]

you read my mind, that would've been my next question

[frozen isle]

U need to time ur iframes and heros will correctly

It should be possible but it's a lot of effort for the reward

[frozen isle]

I had to full buff even boss rush pot

[finite gyro]

How u survive any tips?

One hit i die hahaha

[rapid raven]

Use defence mode

[frozen isle]

Use defense buffs instead

[frozen isle]

Use nova temperance manually to block debuffs

[frozen isle]

Also just don't tank hits

It's mostly Abt dodging

[finite gyro]

I use

[finite gyro]

Oh this where to buy?

[frozen isle]

Trade station

[finite gyro]

Ya i do

Okay2 soon try

[frozen isle]

Honestly I don't think snake strike is tankable

[finite gyro]

Haha ya...

Btw how much ur mdc actually

[frozen isle]

Low, 14.5m

It doesn't matter since I don't cap in ark, max of 11m is what I deal in ark

[finite gyro]

Mine 14.6m

[finite gyro]

I capped n need more of that hmmm

[frozen isle]

Base on ur dmg I should be able to clear in like 3 mins if u just dodge

[finite gyro]

Haha will try next Friday, i have fix ark run..

[frozen isle]

If u have a multi party it's easier to do the multi than solo

[finite gyro]

Haha single run only for fun hehehe

Previous run

Best run, but stuck a bit my dmg haha low mdc hahaha

[frozen isle]

🥹

[finite gyro]

Did we have boost node start with

1. Tempest blade
2. wing beat
3. Giga wave
   Or
4. Tempest blade
5. Giga wave
6. Wing beat
   If any one have this boost node can let me know?

Wht i mean is trio la hehe

[frozen isle]

As long as the trio contains the 3 skills it's considered a perfect trio

Order doesn't matter

[finite gyro]

Yup i know, but nvm top kaiser at my server alrd show, that yeah have that kind of trio, so i need continue crafting and open node...

Not mine but his, i need that trio only hahaha wish I'll get soon, coz my boost skill lv low coz of that trio..

[rapid raven]

Just realised how important Grand Armour skill is, helped me tank Ark’s lightning ball with such big difference.
I have 156k HP and with fair trade on sometimes without GA I get one hit kill by Ark, however with GA I am only receiving approx 96k dmg from the ball… 30% dmg absorption ftw 🙌🏻

[kindred grotto]

#msm-feedback-qol message

#msm-bug-report message

[frozen isle]

Sounds like a lot of work for nexon so that'll never happen

(Upvoted anyways)

[cloud ridge]

Is this still the default AutoBattle wheel ?

[frozen isle]

I use it as it's a full screen atk

For bossing it's basically an iframe only in my use case

[frozen isle]

@lunar raft is it just me or wasn't this just damage reflect invulnerability and gauge inncrease rate and not actually invincibility?

[frozen isle]

It's not invincibility tho

[kindred grotto]

Is that new text? It’s always been dmg reflect ignore and gauge rate increase

[frozen isle]

Yeah that's the current text

I thoughtt they changed it but they didnt

[kindred grotto]

I meant new after a patch update lol i dont remember reading that before but i havent read that skill description in a while

It’s probably a typo. Nexon doesnt like kaisers

[frozen isle]

Man I'd love a 30 sec iframe like pally

[kindred grotto]

Need to test it but it also looks like we could reset our special nodes with this skill

[frozen isle]

Oh no it's actually a typo I test on ark after I I still got hit

[lunar raft]

idk I never use it that way

only use for reflect

[strange ibex]

Lol.

[vast moat]

What’s the best way to go about kaisers hyper passive skills?

[kindred grotto]

check pins!

[vast moat]

Appreciate it 🙂

[strange ibex]

When do you think they will increase the line count on kaiser. I can't break 1400 in 3 min.

[frozen isle]

When v4 is introduced

[frozen isle]

I got 14,507 lines

So starting with zero gauge, start with trance and from there u have to maximize from duration. In that 3mins I was roughly out of form for like 15seconds

Lines from ancestral prominence is actually worthless as the time it takes to cast reduces lines from gigas and reduces line count slightly

(By like 20 lines*)

U should be able to do nearly 15k with maxed node skills

Wait is ancestral prominence bugged

With 3 attacks and 24 lines per said atk and 6 uses the total line count should be 432?

[frozen isle]

@kindred grotto the skill ancestral prominence should do (24or18)×3 per cast in lines right based on the description right?

[kindred grotto]

Yeah but I’m sure it’s a poor description and that isn’t intended lol

[frozen isle]

[kindred grotto]

Write a bug report and I’ll support it but I don’t have any hopes for it

[frozen isle]

It's be so much better if it did 24x3

[kindred grotto]

Don’t use ancestral prominence in fog test runs

[frozen isle]

Yeah I use it only for iframe

[kindred grotto]

Or even in boss runs unless you need the iframe

Even inferno breath/stone dragon aren’t worth it over spamming gigas/wingbeat

Only pop those down when you can’t attack the boss

[frozen isle]

I think for Kaiser low-mid 15k lines should be possible

[frozen isle]

Who writes the skill description in msm

[mild dirge]

Hi can anyone share their bossing and auto battle skill wheels please

[frozen isle]

Bossing is just:
Gigas wave
Wing beat
Final trance(buff)
Kaiser Majesty(if u want to maximize final form up time or when there's Dr when ur not in form)
Utility: ancestral prominence(iframe), rope lift(movement since it'll become teleport in form)

This is just pre200

[mild dirge]

Post 200 skill wheel ?

[mild dirge]

Thanks

[frozen isle]

Personally I just do this

Since our vskills are just all auto

Stone dragon and inferno breath are just incase(for me just to fill gauge faster)

[lunar raft]

this my skill wheel

[frozen isle]

i like to place the 2 iframes seperately

mostly for timing reasons

[lunar raft]

I put astro prominence because cool down fast for iframe.

[kindred grotto]

Mmm they have different cast timings

All our frames have different cast timings to gauge

[mild dirge]

pin plz

[lunar raft]

what's your skill wheel?

[kindred grotto]

presets just gigas/wingbeat

[strange ibex]

They really need to change V2 to 15 seconds cooldown

When maxed

Also put advance temp blade back to 5 sec cooldown

[kindred grotto]

that would be great lol bladefall burst is so nice 😩

[strange ibex]

Sustain and I'm specifically talking about kaisers have to play catch up with burst class and when they do catch up and and slightly overtakes. The burst just comes again and you have to play catch up

Bladefall has nice burst. 15 seconds will solve the low DPS of kaiser 😔

Well I should say help

[kindred grotto]

our main dps is nova guardians

but yeah since draco surge interferes with recharge time, in long runs it's hard to recover the gauge and bladefall helps recharge immensely

kaisers need max v1, v2, v3 in order to maximize line counts since v1 is main dps and v2/v3 affects the recharge time

[frozen isle]

Don't stone dragon and inferno breath help?

[frozen isle]

I thought bladefall doesn't recharge gauge (tempest blades do tho)

[kindred grotto]

Lol wait really? Whenever it pops the explosions for me i charge real fast. Ill have to double check

[kindred grotto]

Recharge is based on line count and stone dragon/inferno breath attack so slow its not very helpful

Better to spam gigas instead

[frozen isle]

Ahhh I'm blind🥹

[kindred grotto]

Ok did some testing and found all the bugs lol

Bug 1: #msm-bug-report message Tempest Blade/Bladefall Pursing Minion Target Lock
Bug 2: #msm-bug-report message Gigas Wave inconsistent Line Count
Bug 3: #msm-bug-report message Bladefall inconsistent Line Count
Bug 4: #msm-bug-report message Inferno Breath inconsistent attack rate and line count
Bug 5: #msm-bug-report message Ancestral Prominence does not deliver 3 separate attacks as stated in description
Bug 6: #msm-bug-report message Pantheon does not deliver 2 separate attacks as stated in description
Bug 7: #msm-bug-report message Nova Guardians inconsistent line counts and attack rate

[frozen isle]

Dang that's a lot of work

[carmine steppe]

Hi guys, sorry if this gets asked all the time but what are the optimal Vmatrix nodes aside from the trios? Should I be using Pantheon or craft Erda Nova? my Vmatrix is a bit of a mess..

[lunar raft]

I don't use pantheon yet

[frozen isle]

Imo pantheon is just for farming and the DMG from its is meh and the other ability is not too help as bishops often will be in your party already

[carmine steppe]

this is really helpful! should I prioritize ''Decent sharp eyes/Combat orders/Speed infusion'' over any of my current ones?

[carmine steppe]

fair enough that's a really good point, is it worth to keep building on the side tho or better off extracting it later on?

[frozen isle]

I just have one of it as it can easily cap the rest i extract

Like after u max most of ur stuff u could lv it

[kindred grotto]

Priority:
DSE both training/bossing
DSI for bossing if you dont have a TB or Bucc (usually don't)
DHB for bossing if needed/space available
DCO if you don't have a pally in your runs (usually do for end bosses)

[lofty yew]

Why does Kaiser sometimes use the rope instead of rope skill during ab? 😂

[kindred grotto]

That’s just the AI. Everyone with rope lift does the same

[elder stirrup]

Kaiser still good enuf to main? Or better change

[frozen isle]

Imo it's a fun class but DPS wise there are better

Ie paladin

[kindred grotto]

kaiser has lowest warrior line count

blaster technically lower atm but its bugged and devs have already stated they're doing something about it

unlike other warriors

[strange ibex]

One thing I love about kaiser is because of the mobility. Interns of power and DPS there are better warriors out there. Dawn warrior are kind of sexy now. But when you think about end game dark knights are probably the best

[strange ibex]

U

[elder stirrup]

Ty

[radiant quest]

I’m surprised you mentioned Dark Knight are the best endgame warriors atm

What makes them standout to other warriors?

Is it because they can cap easily if a new damage cap is given vs other warriors who are dependent on their additional lines

Because if capping easily is a factor, then Hero should take the podium for that. Hero burst is alot more stronger in 1 minute vs a Dark Knight.

[strange ibex]

Erm I think they are just as strong. Also the survival aspect.

[radiant quest]

What about Paladin?

[frozen isle]

Hmm is Wing beat supposed to be that strong?

[lunar raft]

I think so

[frozen isle]

They should buff gigas wave more👀

[lunar raft]

I wish they buff Draco surge lines

Wing beat feels balanced

Idk

[frozen isle]

Imo kaiser is weird it's not atrocious enough to complain

[lunar raft]

Kaiser need that Adele skills for bladefall and tempest blades

Just target boss

[frozen isle]

I want old tempest cd

[lunar raft]

Yeah old tempest cd was way better

Should just buff lines

If they don't give us back old tempest cd

[kindred grotto]

or they just fix the skill like it says in the description lol

[kindred grotto]

gigas should have more lines than wingbeat but should also roughly be the same if you're also using draco surge. otherwise gigas should have a wider gap to wingbeat

[kindred grotto]

anyone remember which patch changed tempest cd?

[frozen isle]

If you still need it
https://forum.nexon.com/MapleStoryMGlobal/board_view?thread=2018792

[strange ibex]

I hope they address the whole soul fusion extraction issue in the vom

Fusing 20 at a time and extracting 2 at a time won't cut it lol

[marsh plume]

did anyone notice the "recommended skill settings" for bossing is different today than it was yesterday

are they just randomly generating this or what

[frozen isle]

Maybe just a avg of all kaisers

Which includes the boys?

[main grail]

Whats the pre-200 skill wheel for kaiser?

[frozen isle]

Gigas wave, Wing beat
Ansetral prominence
Kaisers majesty
Trance

It's roughly the same for bossing and mobbing

[signal gate]

Kaiser still almost dead last in terms of lines

[signal gate]

In kmsm gigas has 20 lines

Unfortunately Kaiser is going to stay bottom tier warrior until they fix our lines

[frozen isle]

It does?

[signal gate]

Yup

[frozen isle]

That just makes me sad for gmsm kaiser

[candid elm]

more money more damage

[strange ibex]

I still don't understand that delayed phase of kaiser V2. When it lands on the ground does it even do damage?

[frozen isle]

I think one is the initial hit DMG and 2nd is the "continuous" dmg

But I agree it'd be a lot better if it was all instantaneous

[signal gate]

Well guys, Nexon still hates us

V4 will make kaiser the weakest class in the game

[fleet ruin]

How so?

[signal gate]

Kaiser already has one of the least amount of dmg lines in the game

And now you’ve got every other class behind it getting way more dmg lines than Kaiser

Every character under Kaiser gets significantly more dmg from v4

Kaiser mathematically becomes the weakest class in msm….

all other classes for reworks have been significant improvements, we just get bread crumbs for some reason

[fleet ruin]

Hmm its too early to throw all these doomer messages

All these stats are from Kmsm

It doesn't translate to exact same hitcounts

[fleet ruin]

Also that ranking is based on his own opinion. Pov varies from player to player.

[signal gate]

True but we won’t get more than Kmsm hit counts

So if anything it will be less

[lunar raft]

Nexon hate kaiser

[signal gate]

So much hate it’s almost like it’s intentional

[lunar raft]

Devs don't even look at dmg lines chart. They lazy.

[signal gate]

Man you would think that would be what they gauge revamps by

But Kaiser has been at the bottom for years

[marsh plume]

maybe they'll make changes if we keep requesting in msm-feedback-qol?

I like #msm-feedback-qol message

[rapid raven]

@marsh plume We can try, that’s what happened to Blaster class, they kept making noise and they made changes to match Kmsm version

[lunar raft]

They had bigger player base for blaster and kaiser player base low. That's why nexon play favorites.

[waxen ermine]

There’s only like 4 of us that blaster

Anyways, I’m just popping my head in here to see if someone could share an AB skill wheel for Kaiser

[lunar raft]

Not when blaster was bug 😂

[signal gate]

We do have to try though - if we don’t then we are guaranteed nothing

[lunar raft]

They ignored kaiser feedback more than a year

[rapid raven]

Hero class with 21m MDC hits same amount of dps compared to me in Ark Run, my MDC at 25.5m

[lunar raft]

Feels like devs don't even play msm

[rapid raven]

We should be some constructive suggestions

[lunar raft]

Kaiser has one of the lowest dmg lines

[rapid raven]

I think perhaps simple adjustment by allowing shorter cooldown for Nova Guardian would be a lot more lines for us

That 1 minute wait we lose a lot dps

[lunar raft]

Draco surge casting is slow

And dmg line needs to be double

[rapid raven]

Not sure if they would be so generous, hence just requesting for a small change for our V1

Our clones actually do a lot damage if they constantly out

[lunar raft]

Tempest blade needs to go back to 5 sec cd

[rapid raven]

Nah that’s not significant on dps output, you’re not gonna cap on Tempest blades bro

[lunar raft]

Kaiser is not a bursty class

Kaiser has to play catch up with other class

My ark run dB and dark knight got strong burst in the beginning

[rapid raven]

Our burst is V2, not bad but it’s not targeting boss lol

[lunar raft]

I believe kaiser has the dmg lowest line in 3min

[strange ibex]

If you are new. Do not main kaiser unless you are just playing for fun

No one sees me asking for buffs for this class. It's not worth it 😂

[rapid raven]

Play for the aesthetics of it

[frozen isle]

Exactly what more can you ask for, big dragon swing big sword

[lunar raft]

Nexon a billion dollar company can't fix anything right😂

[frozen isle]

Was our line count always this bad(way below 13k)

Total time out of for was Abt 10 seconds

Skills are above lv20

[lunar raft]

They gotta increase the hit count on v1 and v3

[azure kettle]

I doubt so eh. Supposedly should be 15k~ iirc.

[signal gate]

That’s still bottom

Plus kaiser V4 is bottom out of all jobs as well

We will get progressively weaker compared to all other classes cause our V4 is dung

If we want to be able to do anything we need to come with a realistic expectation of what they’d even do for a buff

[frozen isle]

So no gauge revamp?

[signal gate]

I mean even if they sped up gauge, for end game bosses that doesn’t do much in reality

[frozen isle]

Wbt just a transformation toggle no gauge

[signal gate]

Even then I don’t think that would do much

[frozen isle]

That's just sad

[signal gate]

In reality for most 10 min bosses you’re transformed almost 100% or the time

90 sec on entry, 60 on instant cast, almost immediate after instant ends for another 90 is 4 mins straight

You might get one rotation to build up manually after that but afterwards your instant cast is back up and with the gauge being almost full after that you’d be at 10 min

Our issue is lines/atk speed.

[rapid raven]

https://youtu.be/gDw6WBc1L7o?feature=shared

Kaiser rank 2 at Damien

It’s all about gears and MDC, I’d say we are very tanky and teleport makes us very versatile

[rapid raven]

I actually don’t think Blaze-on buff has any effect on our attack speed, thoughts ? They should make it a passive buff

[signal gate]

Not a good comparison - this guy has around 33m mdc based on his gear. He’s putting out 600b dmg on a full 10 min run.

For comparison, I’ve been in a run where a 36m mdc pally broke 1.1 trillion dmg in about the same clear time.

Mdc goes much farther on other classes then it does for Kaiser. Even a middle of the pack class with that level of mdc would be 800m+ minimum

I’ve also seen a 24 mdc phantom break 600m many times and in faster clears. So in comparison a phantom with -25% the mdc as OMNI is still hitting for the same dmg

[lunar raft]

Kaiser skill casting is not smooth

Still need dmg line upgrade

[signal gate]

The other option for an improvement would be attack speed

Kaiser benefitted a lot from atk speed if I remember correctly way back when on pc maple

[rapid raven]

Does Blaze On make a difference ?

[signal gate]

I mean it does, but msm doesn’t really have an atk speed stat system really in place

But it does improve dmg cause you do attack faster

[radiant quest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8VZvHEnm8I

Not a Kaiser POV, but this Kaiser inside this team i'm assuming is just as strong if not stronger than Omni is still quite far away from the rank 1 to 4

Not sure if the Kaiser is inside this discord channel

Will be great for the player to share his or her pov of Kaiser vs those players in his team

[buoyant notch]

Derr’s mdc should be higher, the top 3 in this team are full 60 if i am not wrong.

[lunar raft]

V4 Attack speed slow.

[rapid raven]

At least there’s a passive mode whilst waiting for the cooldown

[lunar raft]

Gives 700 lines in 2 min. Still low

[signal gate]

700 lines is 3rd lowest out of all classes

So stronger classes are getting stronger and we are comparably getting weaker. We are dropping more in comparison to other classes

[rain pumice]

im a lvl 193 kaiser main with pretty good gear, should i keep chugging to 200 or turn around now and cut over to dawn warrior?

[lunar raft]

If u looking to do better dps.

[rain pumice]

i am but is there no hope for us? when i used to play maple back in the day i played dw so i like it anyway

[lunar raft]

Nexon taking way too long for kaiser to get buff.

[rain pumice]

yah its been bad since it dropped

huge buffs and somehow its still bad

[lunar raft]

Kaiser need more atk speed on 5th skills and dmg lines

[rain pumice]

since im not lvl 200 yet i think im gonna reroll to dw thanks for advice

[lunar raft]

Casting skill not smooth.

[lunar raft]

Kaiser is good for farming meso tho

[rain pumice]

dont need ancient emblem weapon for meso farming 😅 but imma still wait for this upcoming update cause they said they are doing something big to 5th job

[lunar raft]

I wouldn't count on it

Nexon always show favorites.

[signal gate]

Def wouldn’t count on it

And if they gonna do something big you can guarantee other classes are going to get just as much if not more

[signal gate]

@here I made a post in feedback of what we would really need in order to be able to keep up with all the other classes. If you guys can give it some thumbs up maybe Nexon will atleast acknowledge how much less we get in comparison to all the other classes. #msm-feedback-qol message

[signal gate]

Well everyone. We got a bit in this rebalance but nothing crazy.

V1 has more lines, however on a 10 minute boss we have lost 20 sec of active time on the skill

Final trace improvement will allow for very seamless recurring morphs

Gigas has been untouched and inferno breath got nerfed even further to the point being unusable

[rapid raven]

Thanks sooooo much @signal gate

Our voices are being heard finally !!!

[signal gate]

@rapid raven all other classes are also getting improvements

All increase % ignore are the same for all classes - everyone now gets 15%

[rapid raven]

Still something…

[wise finch]

can someone do a before and after patch damage and lines

[signal gate]

I think current lines is around 15k which seems high based on my attempts

[lunar raft]

Way better

[signal gate]

Drago surge is a big win for us

The gigas buff would be a major improvement but we will see how these changes make out

[lunar raft]

Definitely win for Draco surge.

[signal gate]

I’ll try and do a 3 min run tomorrow

[strange ibex]

Kaiser still sucks 😁 enjoy guys

[rain pumice]

ill wait for yall to do lines testing before cutting everything over officially but its not looking good is it 😭

[lunar raft]

Just wait on testing results.

[frozen isle]

Is it even worth putting inferno breath on mobbing wheel

[lunar raft]

Yeah

I use it

[lunar raft]

Just gotta make sure u time it right b4 Draco surge and blade fall

[signal gate]

Do you use on a rotation? @lunar raft

I honestly only use it when boss is untargetable to spawn flames

[lunar raft]

U can double cast it because the spawn can double majestic skill

I only use it in the beginning to double cast

[lunar raft]

Yes

Save me some dps when I have to move around

I even use stone dragon lol

[signal gate]

Wym? Clip it?

[signal gate]

Same, but again only when boss is untargetable as gigas dps is more with moving bosses

[lunar raft]

When u use dragon breathe spawn flame and reset the skill the spawn flame can be use again

[signal gate]

Oh you mean with reset skill

[lunar raft]

Yes

[signal gate]

True but I don’t think flame dmg stacks

[lunar raft]

I only use it in the beginning of boss fight

[signal gate]

Like I don’t think you can put down flames on same area twice

Ok I do the same

[lunar raft]

Use it on left n right direction

[signal gate]

I typically use reset to refresh wing beat for boss stuns so I can have 2

[lunar raft]

It's like Wing beat

[signal gate]

I should really see how many lines flame has over the full duration

Might only be like 20

[lunar raft]

I dont really know the line

Count

[signal gate]

And if boss moves might not be worth even casting

Cause now that Inferno lines are down casting gigas twice might be worth more lines

[lunar raft]

Depends on what boss is more mobile

[signal gate]

True

But if you get 24 lines on inferno (4 on cast, 20 on dot)

[lunar raft]

I use it for the spawn flame mainly

[signal gate]

Cast gigas twice you get same dps instantly and next attack is Draco surge

[lunar raft]

Just to keep the dps smooth as possible

Giga wave easy to tap fast

[signal gate]

I think the trend is the same, flame and stone dragon are only really used when boss is untargetable to setup dmg while you can’t atk

We will see what these V1 and Draco surge lines are like

My guess with v4 though we are still only going to be around 16.5k lines

[lunar raft]

Only thing is v4 atk speed should be faster

To help with dmg line

Other class that has continuous dmg has faster atk speed

Kaiser is more of long endurance dmg then very burst

[upbeat zephyr]

Is it true that they will remove the kaiser's default hook?

[frozen isle]

No

Also since trance has a better cooldown is it wiser now to put the hyper for ff duration into wingbeat hit count

[frozen isle]

It just means you can't hold down button

[upbeat zephyr]

Oh okk.. I thought it was going to be removed.. Tyy

[signal gate]

Should have that already anyway

You definitely want FF duration. What do you have your points in?

[frozen isle]

All of gigas hypers

And ff final dmg

[wise finch]

Any need to put on pet for passive eff3ct?

Or is it gonna be preset with gigas?

[azure kettle]

v4 can be put on pet

[pliant creek]

Not 75 seç ? How come 90 sec
Can teach pls

[lunar raft]

@signal gate Did u do 3 min test yet?

[signal gate]

I’m just waking up - gonna play around with v4 and then likely later today

[signal gate]

Take off CD from gigas for hit count in WB. late game 20% cd means nothing if you can cap

[whole coral]

hi there, can i ask what's your MDC?

[signal gate]

Trying to figure this out if it’s automatic after cast

[azure kettle]

49.2

[signal gate]

Scania or kmsm?

[azure kettle]

A2z

[signal gate]

Ahh gotcha. We wish we had a TS like you’re 😅

[rapid raven]

Love the boost !

[lost meadow]

hows the kaiser rn? feels better or still sucks?

[lunar raft]

What's your mdc?

[rapid raven]

32m

[lunar raft]

Nice

[signal gate]

@wise finch you got a SS of your 3min run?

[signal gate]

20,336 - that’s crazy

[signal gate]

I’ll run a 3min tonight - curious why @azure kettle and @wise finch have a 1.5k diff between V1+V4

[wise finch]

Err, cuz I’m a noob

[signal gate]

Idk about that lol

[wise finch]

From glancing at other jobs, around 22k lines is where a lot of jobs are at

Gonna try culvert tonight to see how much boost I gain

[signal gate]

I mean being consistent with most jobs would be a big improvement for us

[signal gate]

@lunar raft @wise finch I can confirm 22k - I broke 22.1k

[wise finch]

Awesome

[signal gate]

Easily the most lines we’ve ever had

[wise finch]

Did you press and hold Giga+wing preset?

[lunar raft]

Nice

[signal gate]

Yeah hold works better

I think I might split WB from gigas preset

So it doesn’t interrupt Draco surge

[wise finch]

It’s prolly better, since only 2 wings can be active, each wing last 25sec, but cd for wing is 10s (?)

But I’m running out of space on skill wheel to have wings separated

[frozen isle]

Doesn't the hit count run out B4 the duration end tho

[signal gate]

My solution is have the preset with WB and then straight gigas beside

@wise finch then you can have a second preset with gigas on your toggle tab as well if you need

[wise finch]

5 seconds left

is active v4 automatic trigger?

[frozen isle]

How do your buff look like when you don't have mpets

[frozen isle]

From my experience with it I think so

[wise finch]

take off the ones that last longest

when bossing

[frozen isle]

The modes?

[wise finch]

yeah,

attack mode

then blaze on for speed

[frozen isle]

I've been taking off grand armour for mobbing

[wise finch]

yeah, not that you need it

[rain pumice]

it seems like they were actually true to their word when they said they were going to make all the classes balanced, im going to keep chugging on kaiser 😌

[buoyant notch]

Seems like most of the class are hovering around 21-22k

[buoyant notch]

But most of the thieves are at 23-24k

[signal gate]

I’ve been able to get 21.8k- 22.1k consistently. We definitely aren’t op but this is the most balanced Kaiser has ever been in comparison to most classes since its release

This patch is a definite win

[frozen isle]

Yeah but I think most are clone lines which are hard to cap

[lunar raft]

Feels better

[signal gate]

Most clone lines only hit 50% cap so you basically take half of those lines for true dmg

[rapid raven]

How to you count number of lines bro ? You add up one by one ?

[signal gate]

@rapid raven pretty much. Mine looked pretty similar to this

[weary vine]

70%

[rain pumice]

the top level kaisers are putting good stuff back in their equips, life is good?

[frozen isle]

I kinda want our v4 passive to charge gauge

[lunar raft]

I wish v4 lasted 30 sec

Or more

[frozen isle]

What's it at max rn?

[lunar raft]

Mines low

Only lvl 11 lol

[frozen isle]

Oh my even lower lv8

[lunar raft]

Did my testing

I did 21213 lines

[frozen isle]

Not bad for Kaiser

[lunar raft]

V skill at lvl 20 v1 and v3

[rapid raven]

Cleared 45th floor easily post V4 update

[frozen isle]

Now I'll never get the mulung medal for my wack drop build

[rapid raven]

@lunar raft Lol bro, you requesting for our V4 to be 30 seconds ? That’s gonna make us godlike 😂

[lunar raft]

Hell yeah

Lol

25 sec at least

[rapid raven]

I wouldn’t complain hahaha!

[lunar raft]

I seen a class hit like 24k line

Lumi in my guild

[rapid raven]

Lots of Lumi says they felt nerfed after V4 🤨

[lunar raft]

Idk

25 to 30 sec for v4 would help or make the cd lower

I'll wait for his lines testing again on lumi

[rapid raven]

Don’t think they’ll change anything for now, what’s the cooldown for kMSM?

[lunar raft]

I'm not sure I didn't check

[rain pumice]

they talking about their mass res/buffs i think, pretty much every class does good dps with the right stats

[strange ibex]

Kaiser got straight buffs and still 💩? That's what I'm hearing 😅. That's how you know kaisers was in a bad position for a long time.

[radiant quest]

Is that so?

Inside a separate Warrior Discord Server every Kaiser was saying its a good buff

Perhaps your data sample set is limited only to this Kaiser channel

[lunar raft]

2 min cd v4 Is max lvl 30

[frozen isle]

Yeah it's a good buff doesn't make us op just avg

[lunar raft]

Make v4 30 sec we will be op

[frozen isle]

I'd be fine with 20s

[lunar raft]

20 is ok but sometime v4 is wasted on mobility bosses

[frozen isle]

Kinda like our v2

[lunar raft]

And also if Draco surge duration last a little longer

[frozen isle]

Like 3s→ 8s?

[lunar raft]

For it to match with v4

Good burst hit

[frozen isle]

Oh with it's passive?

[lunar raft]

Yup

Explosion from mist v4

That's 30sec for v4 and Draco surge

[rapid raven]

I wished our V1 clones is 90 secs rather than 80 secs with 2 mins cooldown, so down time is 30 secs rather than 40 secs

[signal gate]

We’d be like mid to low of the pack these days instead of being the bottom like we were pre patch. Definitely a win for us but definitely not a crazy change in comparison to other classes

[signal gate]

But yes we were pretty much a dogshit dps pre patch

[lunar raft]

Draco surge dmg line a win

Need more duration

[echo folio]

so now bcome avg?

[signal gate]

More or less

[winged sundial]

Hi guy

Any free to play kaiser player here

Kaiser can deal good damage if don't pump a lot cash to play ??

[echo folio]

a2s top free kaiser already quitted the game last year

[echo folio]

every class deal trash dmg equally if u dont pump enough money

every class do ok dmg with around 2000bucks invested

if u cant even invest like 1000 to 2000

then just dont hope for any dmg output and play whatever you want

[winged sundial]

1000/2000 sgd?

This I can haha

[echo folio]

ok then great

next you just need to pick

you want to use inherit ancient gears or necro ancient

necro = bossing set but can also use as grinding set just no exp bonus

inherit ancient = you go for bossing stats but overall lower stats than necro or you go for pensalir set for exp and both can be used for bossing and grinding too

around 1000 can get you the weapon x 1 and 7 to 8 pieces of inherit ancient armors

the best is to buy ancient pensalir set

easier to sell off

but emblem you have to pick boss atk/ crit dmg

up to u

[winged sundial]

I don't know need what stat haha

CD or BA

How many

4/4? 5/3?

Either play wind archer or.ilm

I thinking if full set ancient ilm mage is it good haha

Don't need to hunt end game boss but at least can hunt some

Ancient pensalir full set to lving or use untill behind

Later change To stronger one ?

[lunar raft]

2 BA and the rest CD

[rain pumice]

yaLl what are my trios?

[rain pumice]

nvm, we got 1 trio i see 😌

[clever valley]

got a question for floor 44 in dojo, as kaisers have little no no iframes how does one go about dodging her attacks... pm me if you have any advise please

[wise finch]

For fire pillars, use dragon barrage, if not available, then v skill impenetrable skin iframe
For cyclone, double jump up ( wait about 2-3 sec after the casting animation)
For debuff, you can see if you can resist with nova temperance
If you get curse with death curse, use hyper skill ancestral prominence ( wait about 3 sec after you are cursed)
Best to start by casting pantheon for an extra live just in case

And stay out of her attack range, your is longer than her

[signal gate]

Overall kaiser dmg isn’t amazing compared to other classes - end game we’d still be probably bottom quartile. If you aren’t going to put much into the game, then you’ll get more value spending with another class unfortunately

[lunar raft]

They gotta add 30 sec to v4 and 8 sec Draco surge.

[signal gate]

Those would be two big improvements for sure

[lunar raft]

Burst on v4 is too short

[rapid raven]

Agree ! Wished it’s 30 seconds

[frozen isle]

Wouldn't that like double our v4 line count?

[rain pumice]

it would be like triple wich might be a lil too much but even that wont make us too op 😭

[frozen isle]

That's sad

[strange ibex]

Shouldn't you ask for a shorter duration for v4 with more lines. Those long durations should be annoying to you guys especially since these new bosses moving getting out of range like Damian doing mini phases like lucid. D surge should prob be a low duration low cooldown burst to

[lunar raft]

More lines, shorter cd , and bigger hit box

[strange ibex]

Cuz if I'm not mistaken that's where the meta is right? Short burst, get your v skill to hit and just prepare for the next cooldown.

[lunar raft]

But I dont mind longer v4 tho but that depends on mobile boss

[lunar raft]

Kaiser bossing mechanics is kinda outdated.

[strange ibex]

I didn't see them get a revamp like Cygnus to. In maple PC. So one ain't coming to mobile soon

[lunar raft]

They did AB tho

Remaster

Wonder why they don't remastered Kaiser

[strange ibex]

I know they changed some of the skills that's about it. Nothing visual I guess they made some skills more flexible

[lunar raft]

Hopefully kaiser gets remastered. I probably be retired by then lol.

[rain pumice]

id take v4 with much less lines but 30s cd, then we would be really usable end game despite being “bad”

[frozen isle]

Kinda want the passive for v4 to be better tho

[frozen isle]

They mean invincibility to DR right?

[lunar raft]

Yup

[neon ravine]

any AB wheel for before lv200

[frozen isle]

Ancestral prominence
Gigas wave
Wing beat
Stone dragon and inferno breath (if ya want)

[echo nimbus]

Hey! Do you guys have any experience using pantheon in party play? I guess it doesn't stack with bishops heavens door. Do you just not use it, or can you time it efficiently with a bishop?

[lunar raft]

U gotta time it when heavens doors gets uses first I think.

Like the buff duration used first

[candid elm]

[cerulean lichen]

Is the pantheon node even worth using ?

[lunar raft]

It's like bishop heaven door

[signal gate]

#buffkaiser

[lunar raft]

Need to double dmg lines v4

Especially passive lines

[signal gate]

That or extend Draco surge window from v2

Or add a surge window to v4

[lunar raft]

I say both

[signal gate]

A controllable surge window would be nice. I personally don’t manually activate bladefall because you get penalized from the casting delay.

Having it on V4 where’s its more seemless to activate manually would give a bit more of a controllable “burst” window

[lunar raft]

Or improve all passive lines

[signal gate]

Tough thing with passive lines is its hard to control

Can’t take as much advantage of split or stun windows

[lunar raft]

Just need v4 lines double and blade fall should have automatic Draco surge without any interruption.

To keep it smooth as possible

[leaden nimbus]

What hyper skills should i be maxing out first gigas wave?

[frail pawn]

Hyper 141 151 161 171 181 must up what

[weak ibex]

Is there any recommended vskill so max first?

[crystal river]

Does pantheon not stack with heaven door?

[signal gate]

Does not - counts as the same self res buff and shares the same timer

[patent summit]

More lines for kaiser pls

A dark Knight with a stats that's lower than mine can hit almost double the dmg in lotus please help

[lunar raft]

Double dmg line on v4

[cerulean lichen]

facts

[patent summit]

All the kaiser here please go to #msm-feedback-qol to like my comment on kaiser needing more lines 🙏

[analog skiff]

Kaiser origin skill in KMSM, 40 hits * 50 lines + 50 hits * 64 lines = 5200 lines on use

[patent summit]

Seriously is there any hope that they will buff kaiser

If not I need to change my main lol

[onyx salmon]

อยากเล่นKaiserเป็นตัวหลักเหมือนกัน ทำไมไม่ปรับให้เก่งขึ้นบ้าง

[echo nimbus]

Kaiser received maybe 3 buffs since I've started to play years ago. I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.

[analog skiff]

And got a major nerf to swords cooldown because they were "too good at mobbing"

[signal gate]

Nexon just hates Kaiser we know that already

[steel grail]

Can someone share what is the V skills I should get for my Kaiser

[echo nimbus]

get 2 perfect trios with tempest blade, Wing beat, and gigas wave, and all the class specific ones. the rest can be decent skills. If I'm mistaken somebody correct me.

[steel grail]

Tyyyy

[warm ibex]

the more i play this class the more i like it

am i cooked?

[frozen isle]

nah cus who doesnt want to be a dragon swinging a big sword

[warm ibex]

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[warm ibex]

btw im surprised how bloody good kaiser's mobility is

the dashes, blink, and flash jump chains very well together

mobbing is hella good too, better than dawn warrior

i previously played dawn warrior and hero but kaiser has the best gameplay experience for 2H users imo

[warm ibex]

@round jacinth

And prominence

[round jacinth]

Ty!

[warm ibex]

Np

For the glory of kaiser

[round jacinth]

Also

What's his hyper stats again?

[warm ibex]

One sec

[warm ibex]

I went for all Gigas Wave, then Final Form Final DMG, and lastly Final Form Persist for longer duration

[round jacinth]

I mean stats

The thing you pay money for per level

[warm ibex]

Ohh

I dont have that

U gonna have to ask the kaiser pros

[wise finch]

hyper stats depends on what you need, but for bossing, get final dmg > physical dmg > mdc > boss attack /CD > additional attack

for training page, it’s usually pexp > exp > buff duration > FD/Phys dmg whatever else you need to clear mob faster

for v skills, there’ll be limited slots, so i just max 2 trios of gigas/wing/tempest

[round jacinth]

Very helpful Tyvm

[signal gate]

Not even worth bothering for inferno breath or stone dragon. Late game you’ll never use these as time to cast and dmg vs. gigas/draco surge isn’t worth

You don’t even need to have ancestral prominence in trio either - if your attack is where it should be you’ll be capping with it on every line putting nothing into it

You’ll also really only be casting prominence as an iframe as gigas is better so again it’s not really needed

[round jacinth]

Are people using kaiser's majesty, or final trance?

[echo nimbus]

I do, both. I use Kaiser's Majesty when Final trance is on cooldown, and I'm not morphed. Sometimes if I have a little time before bosses I put down 2 wing beats with the help of it. Final trance is obviously great, whenever I'm out of final form I just use it during bosses, almost 100% morph time.

[round jacinth]

Which one's preferred to put on a pet for auto battle?

[echo nimbus]

None. At least I don't put them on pets, there are other more important ones to put there. I put them on my skill wheel, and manually use them when needed.

[leaden nimbus]

Can someone post up the the main v skills for kasiers

[echo nimbus]

you meant these?

[leaden nimbus]

Yea 2 trios right

[echo nimbus]

yes, gigas, tempest, and wing beat trio x2

[outer vapor]

Hi guy

If I pump 5-10b per month

Can make kaiser strong ?

Kaiser good to play now ?

[echo nimbus]

you can make anything strong if you pump it up, so I don't really understand the question, but to give you some useful answer: not really. You could pump the same amount to a lot of other classes, and get better results

[wise finch]

Agree.
Play a class that you enjoy.

With 5-10b a month, it’ll take you at least a year to get full necro for any class

[outer vapor]

Lol one year can full Necro ?

Now Necro so cheap meh

Need few hundred +5b lol

One year like not enough

[warm ibex]

what is kaiser's emblem ratio?

is there a stat that needed to achieve when unbuffed?

[echo nimbus]

If I remember correctly 50-50 with CD and BA, but some more experienced player could helps us both out with this one. I've heard it so long ago I'm not sure it's still the way to go

[warm ibex]

Sure

[ivory carbon]

At Floor 45
Do you guys have any advice?

[lunar raft]

45 floor is very easy to dodge. Just stay out of its atk range. It's not very long.

Can save space when backing up

[marsh plume]

Does anyone have tips on lucid mini-game stage? Our dragon form is too large to avoid all of the bubbles so I usually die during that

Kaisers need a way to cancel dragon form

[leaden nimbus]

Anyone have presets they dont mind sharing

For skill wheel

[marsh plume]

Dunno if it’s optimal or not but this is mine. Yellow preset for vskills, green for regular attack, blue for iframe and pink only when waiting for boss to appear

[leaden nimbus]

Thanks

[warm ibex]

hi can i know if there are any pet buffs for kaiser's V skill or are they all usable during auto-battle without the need to pet buffs

[patent summit]

Do u know what are the main v skills to enhance

[echo nimbus]

The ones you can see on the pic, and the 2 trios mentioned below

[echo nimbus]

I put bladefall, nova guardians and weapon aura on my pets, sometimes I put dragonflare too when I know I'm in AB for a long time (and I can swap out defense smash)

[candid elm]

more money more damage😄

[gloomy quest]

What am i doing wrong here ?
Draco surge is at lvl18!!!
but it seems to have no effect (negligible) on my damage (fair trade is on)

[candid elm]

u need lv30 v2

[gloomy quest]

For faster bursts ?

What would you say is the order of maxing v skills ? v2 > v3 > v1 > v4?

[echo nimbus]

Hey! Which fair trade option is the best for necro weapon? Is it class specific, or any different for kaisers?

[coarse acorn]

Hey what are the hyper passives for this class?

[echo nimbus]

I went with all gigas waves, and final form reinforce+persist

[fickle solstice]

Hola chicos, quisiera saber como van con el tema de vmatrix, esos son los nodos que uso para bossear ^^

[fickle solstice]

Hey guys, I'd like to know how you're doing with vmatrix, those are the nodes I use for bossing ^^

[echo nimbus]

This is pretty much all you need. Later when you unlock more slots you can add more decent skills

[fickle solstice]

with useful skills what do you mean c:

[frozen isle]

That pantheon buff is kinda nice

Kaiser rebalance basically just a couple of damage percents

[lunar raft]

Wanted more lines on v4 passive fire orb

[frozen isle]

I just wanted anything more than just basic "ah here 5% more skill damage"

[signal gate]

An extra iframe on the res is always nice. Plus it’s an extra free self revive now in addition to bish doors - more sustainability

[rapid raven]

In addition to heavens door, are you sure ????

[signal gate]

They made an effort to point it out in patch notes

[rapid raven]

Niceee

[echo nimbus]

We are even less relevant in party play with this change, but whatever, it's not like kaiser was a must have anyway

[fickle solstice]

Guys, after the buffs that Kaiser had, should I change the Perfect Trio that was before, or should I stay the same?

I mean to: Gigas Wave, Blade of tempest, wings storm

[lunar raft]

Same

[fickle solstice]

Ok tnx ^^

[fickle solstice]

Hey guys, it's me again.

How much boss ATK and CD is recommended in Kaiser?

[lunar raft]

Emblem?

[fickle solstice]

Stats

[fickle solstice]

My stats c:

What could be improved?

[fickle solstice]

Omg :0 you are very strong

[lunar raft]

Get emblem gear cd

[gloomy quest]

Is Kaiser remaster coming too ? 😅

[lunar raft]

Nexon hate kaiser no remaster

[candid elm]

[gloomy quest]

I have around 12k node shards, and this is my current v matrix status. Craft nodestones or v skills ?

[lunar raft]

max out v1 and blade fall

First

[gloomy quest]

Craft those instead of nodestones

[lunar raft]

Yes

For better fd and ied

[gloomy quest]

Thanks

[charred shuttle]

Anyone got kaiser bossing skill wheel and perfect trio nodes?

[analog skiff]

is this just me or do you guys agree that kaiser should have some of its buff skills be "passive-fied"?

too many to hold in a normal pet config and theres even more buffs once you hit 220+

[lunar raft]

Tempest blade should be passive

[molten musk]

I think the perfect trios are pinned but it's more a perfect trio than duo from what I can tell?

Actually it mentioned the skills listed + an additional skill so it is the trios.

[charred shuttle]

Thanks man, so I should change away my trio nodes? I still use ancestral prominence, stone dragon and inferno breath though. I also don't know what to replace the two with if I really do change it away

[molten musk]

I'm not a kaiser main sadly! Your nodes look pretty good tho! Can someone else provide advice for Dino.
I'm only a level 198 Kaiser aha!

[charred shuttle]

Thank you! But sadly there doesn't seem to be much kaiser mains

[lunar raft]

Ancestral prominence, stone dragon , inferno save those for later when u get more v matrix slot.

[charred shuttle]

Thank you! Btw can I ask, do you still use stone dragon and dragon breath during late game bosses or not at all?

[lunar raft]

Yup. U can double cast inferno breathe

Using the lvl 150 skill

To set up double damage b4 the boss spawn

[charred shuttle]

I see! Alright thank you!

[slate vale]

Hi, newbie Kaiser here. Is there a way to keep final form on all the time? And are you suppose to use final form during auto battle because I saw some old post saying can’t rope lift during final form? Thanks!

[lunar raft]

Yup don't use final form

[slate vale]

I just noticed that my Kaiser can rope lift during final form. Was there an update that changed this?

[lunar raft]

U still can't put them together on pets.

Only one transformation

Final form has long cd

[ivory carbon]

Yes kaiser final form can use rope rift only when you ab

[slate vale]

Ok thanks. Can anyone share presets for auto battle and bossing?

[slate vale]

Just hit level 220 with the burning event lol. Seems like kaiser has more buffs than pet slots?? Which skills do u leave off?

[gloomy quest]

Yes very annoying
Personally I keep v1, v4 on a skill preset to use in a planned manner on boss runs

But activate them both on auto battle on pet

[slate vale]

I see. What did u remove for auto battle?

[gloomy quest]

Dont remember, but priority on auto battle is anything that maximizes killing

[visual topaz]

yo! baby kaiser comming back to m after years of not playing. havent cracked 200 yet (at 181 with hyper burn) and was looking for general kaiser bossing/stat tips

[analog skiff]

final form colour change coupon coming

[gloomy quest]

Any1 noticed when transforming, the Bladefall skill buff is disappearing.. then u have to wait the timer for it to be cast again

[gloomy quest]

Thanks, never noticed that
A little inconvenient with new update because u transform immediately when buffing

[patent summit]

Hi

My nodes

[patent summit]

That's not true, try going up, left and right when in final form and use rope lift

I'm not the best kaiser but can answer some questions

I'm kaiser main

[ivory carbon]

I mean final form can use ropelift too when ab
Maybe my eng was bad sry

[patent summit]

You can be in final form most of the time for bossing if you time the final form and final trace properly and after final form there is a period of time your fuel gauge can be easily filled up and be in final form again.

For ab, you can rope lift even in final form

[patent summit]

What's that skills on the last row at the middle?

[ivory carbon]

U mean this ?

[lunar raft]

Will skill

[patent summit]

Ahhh I haven't go will is that why

[ivory carbon]

You can use it when lv235

Buy from ts

[patent summit]

I'm 237 buy i dont have it

[patent summit]

Omg how haha

[lunar raft]

It's cheap now

[patent summit]

Which section is it under

[lunar raft]

Recommend using green nodes on it

Under buffs

[ivory carbon]

Search “ Mirror world nodestone”

[patent summit]

Found it

I didn't know about that haha

Thanks guys

[patent summit]

Will do thanks!

That mainly increase your hit count?

[lunar raft]

Yeah good for burst

[patent summit]

Thanks you!

[ionic ivy]

Hi can anyone share their bossing and farming skill wheel thank you

[gloomy quest]

The one with stone dragon is for hunting
This is whats comfortable for me

[ionic ivy]

Thank you!!

[lunar raft]

They should've buff bladefall dmg lines too.

[gloomy quest]

Cant control bladefall as well (boss disappear or ignore attacks)
This seems like a pretty big buff tho

[lunar raft]

Some class can hit Their full burst hit but kaiser v1 burst doesn't hit its full dmg lines compare to other class that has short full burst dmg lines.

Basically can one shot boss faster than kaiser

[gloomy quest]

Yes still not perfect, flaws in v1 and bladefall
I think theyre trying to make it up with this, more than double lines on v4
Personally i didnt feel too much behind on bosses, we’ll have to see how it fairs after update.

[gloomy quest]

And not to forget v3 is reducing damage until a certain level..

[lunar raft]

When u burst the same time as other class, u see the difference

[rapid raven]

Has anyone tried if ancestral prominence is still iframe ?

[lunar raft]

Yeah

[signal gate]

It is - just a lot quicker because they cut the cast time

[umbral niche]

Surprised they didn't reduce v1's duration

[signal gate]

V4 got a silent nerf (about -5%) so it’s nice we got something to balance it out

[crystal river]

I’m looking for 2 min line count along with battle analysis results. Please let me know your best number!

[river quiver]

I did 3 min and it was 22,061

[crystal river]

2 min only please!

[river quiver]

will try again later

[candid elm]

suck v4

[lost meadow]

is the skill balance good for kaiser, why it seems like still kinda sad and nothing change lul

[gloomy quest]

For me i seen a small increase in dps (tested on 1min)
But if compared to other classes its sadly a nerf

[rapid raven]

It’s definitely not nerfed

[river quiver]

2min

@crystal river

[crystal river]

Can u show the whole thing please

Everything lv30 right?

[vale barn]

what happened to wingbeat 😮

[river quiver]

Forgot to add it back to my preset

[frozen isle]

Kaiser survivability is now on par with pally with the general iframe

Cus majesty resets the iframe cd

[worldly abyss]

Is briser weapon goods

[static fable]

Noob kaiser here. Is being able to teleport only in PCMS?...

[umbral niche]

It's linked to rope lift skill instead

[static fable]

OMG how did i not see that, and why da heck is it in rope lift hahaha thanks

[empty field]

Does anyone know how i should setup the v-matrix for kaiser

[strange ibex]

Since when it used to do that when Kaiser was first released. But they removed it

[wise finch]

majesty does reset the new iframe cd, so you can get almost 30+sec of continuous iframe

better than pally now

[rapid raven]

I did not know that !

[frozen isle]

Yeah it makes a multi ark solo feasible with pretty bad equips and mdc

Ie: with tang buffs, ≈33m mdc, chaos weap, I can easily burst down half HP at that point its kinda luck if u get good orb rotation unless you want to try and get more mdc

[gloomy quest]

With 27m mdc i always manage multi ark solo when i miss my guild run.. around 4min tho

[sturdy bear]

Advanced Tempest Blades -> is this really useful?

[rotund vector]

ATB does some damage but not a lot. If you have open pet slot, I'd equip it and forget about it.

[slate vale]

Hi all, do my nodes look correct so far? What other skills should I get now that so many extra slots opened? Also what’s the best strategy to use node shards, do I just use the shards to craft skill or craft nodestones?

[rotund vector]

With extra slots, you can max your trios to level 60 without using extra Matrix Points. I'd use my extra shards to craft all the Erda and Decent skills, they give off free passive stats.

@slate vale Also, your nodes level boost only applies to every 5 levels, so for example, your Nova Guardian is lvl22, just add 3 more matrix points and use the rest on other skills that's not at a set level increment by 5 (use those points on Pantheon (17), and etc.)

[sturdy bear]

Thanks for the stats, it’s very helpful!

[sturdy bear]

Would like to know, kaiser seems to be fun only after level 200 where the awesome skills are located at, am i right?

[umbral niche]

Fun is subjective but the gameplay doesn't change much upon 5th job

You get an enhancement for gigas wave and tempest blade, a summon and a burst like skill

[sturdy bear]

True that it’s subjective. Getting curious more about it

[slate vale]

Ah thanks for the advice!!

Anyone know how Kaiser ranks after 6th job?

[rotund vector]

Kaiser had far too many skills and buffs. You need mpets to fully utilize him. At least to enjoy the character without spamming all kinds of skills to get ready for boss fight. They should make some of Kaiser skills passive.

[lunar raft]

And buff draco surge and v4

Dmg lines

[rotund vector]

Yes. We are so weak and our hit count is pitiful. It’s near the bottom of the list.

And they remove our pantheon skill from revive whole team to now just to self. There goes my usefulness.

[warm ibex]

Absolutely

The only thing kaiser main can hope is for a remaster

Which will happen just not sure when

They just reworked luminous and remastered wild hunter on pc

[fickle solstice]

My first Clear NArchon multi Alone

I'm very excited TuT

[fickle solstice]

If it follows the same timeline as the PC version, then it would be before the Aran and Shade rework.

Or am I wrong?

[umbral niche]

What's your stats looking like

[warm ibex]

No

Aran shade remaster, then wild hunter, then hayato kanna remaster, then only maybe kaiser