Shadower

[velvet ocean]

Shadower

[versed tangle]

Hi

[fair bane]

[pine orbit]

is there a thiefs discord? can pm me?

[strange ivy]

[lapis marten]

Ah yes

[plush shore]

TKSG#0573 has been warned

Reason: Posted an invite

[dusk ledge]

Lmao I dmed, I guess I can’t link it here

[strange ivy]

this Taka bad boii

[dusk ledge]

[ancient galleon]

Best class in entire MS history, eot.

[wintry lodge]

Op class

[livid swan]

Not sure if feedback can be dropped here as well but just wanted to put my two cents on bloody explosion and trickblade

• they both mention targeting as "enemy in front of you" but i believe is not working as intended

Trickblade: I think enhanced trickblade should prioritize bosses rather than anything within the area. Even if I’m in front of a boss it will still teleport me to a random mob or spawn that’s on the side. In ark for example it will randomly teleport me to the pillars even when I’m in front of the boss or for instance in guild dungeon a random mob can be in the opposing side of the map and I will get teleported.

Bloody explosion: the main thing is with split as it will either target the clone from the split or the actual target itself. The description also says ‘target in front of you’ but it’s not fully working as intended.

Besides those two things shadower is in a good state specially since our V1 is not bugged anymore (I’m not running into the issue but if someone else please bring it up)

[strange ivy]

didnt notice so far about BE but will keep an eye on it
but for the V-skills its reversed for me
V1 keeps bugging for me from time to time, but so far no more orb teleportations in Ark with V2

just happened again today in Ark and v2 got me onto wrong Orb

[ancient galleon]

The only thing I would consider to change is smokescreen. In PC ms it gives invisibility for the whole party within the range, OP support ability if you ask me.
Don’t expect it can be implemented 1:1 into msm but they could at least make it more useful.

[gloomy raven]

I agree, I remember the earlier patch notes of smokescreen added that feature but I guess it was removed last minute

[fierce sigil]

What kind of requirements would i need to be doing AF90 comfortably as Shadower

[ancient galleon]

Arcane 140+ and same gear you need for sf180 will be enough.

[fierce sigil]

can I get arcane 140 if I'm not level 215 yet

[ancient galleon]

Yes, just lvl the symbol

[oak ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBtBT4a8kvg

Shadower OP

[wintry lodge]

Sdws in a good place now, especially for those longer duration bosses. Our burst still can’t beat meta classes but dragged out long enough we are quite comparable

[livid swan]

Yeah I think with V3 we can possibly be one of the top classes

I do like the state of shadower right now and with current bosses and upcoming bosses we stay relevant

[wintry lodge]

Agreed, sonic blow honestly quite OP

[fierce musk]

@vast wave

[vast wave]

S> Tuition for Shadower

[fierce sigil]

Getting boost nodes for Shadower shouldn't be too much of a trouble right? Considering that there are around 9 boost skills in the matrix

[vast wave]

yeah not too bad, u need 2x assassinate/mesos explosion/shadow veil and 2x of dark flare/sudden raid/cruel stab

that pretty much covers everything from bossing to sf/af

[fierce sigil]

Can't wait to get my shad to 200

[ancient galleon]

Yeah the fact our burst skills also got iframes is OP

[strange ivy]

We just have 1 burst

[ancient galleon]

Don’t you consider both vmatrix skills a burst?

[fierce sigil]

I gotta say Shad is really really good, with way worse gear than my bucc I'm taking down NVL in 4 mins on my shad where it took like 7 on my bucc with better gear

[dense sphinx]

why is there MP issue with this class? i cant actually spam assassinate when im fighting boss with potion cooldown setting
if the pet uses HP potion, most likely i wont have any MP left and is forced to sit out till the pet decided to use MP potion, even AB session i can finish my MP pot for some reason, is it because of my AB wheel? or is there a miscalculation for the mp usage from devs?

[fierce sigil]

It's because of flip of the coin, remove it and you should be fine

They need to make it a one time cast skill. I've mentioned it in feedback before

https://discordapp.com/channels/413046906638565395/501895709767761942/1052947564095348816

See here

[dense sphinx]

is this after the remastered update? or has it been like this since the class released?

[ancient galleon]

After remaster, I've noticed on my 2nd Shad higher mana drainage as well.

Later or it's not really noticeable, never had issue on my main during bossing.

[fierce sigil]

Not too sure since I crossed 150 only after the remaster. I just don't use the skill unless I have extra MP potions in my inventory that I want to clear

[dense sphinx]

whats ur max MP like if it's not affecting you in bossing especially?
mine is at 7.3k, activating flip of the coin takes like 10%, and it's being activated like every 2~3s

[strange ivy]

~24k

[dense sphinx]

i guess that explains it

[ancient galleon]

Around what Pat said, 22k+

All you can do is avoid hits to not use HP pots so often for now, or switch to PE

I found my alt been using 3x more MP pots than HP since patch, nexon should fix it

[dense sphinx]

🥹

i believe both of you have mythic+ shoulder/belt/cape too? just realized they gave MP stats

it's so weird to go after these stats because im a thief lol

[ancient galleon]

Well we’re both endgame players, and you need your shoulder/belt/cape not only for MP it’s just an addition.

40lv+ stuff gives MDC which is bread and butter on our lvls

[strange ivy]

he's lying, he is just some cra nib

[fierce sigil]

What level are you

I have like around 10k I think, it's not a huge problem for SF fields because I gain pots as fast as I use them, but for stuff like Mu Lung you would definitely have to take off Flip of The Coin and just manage it manually

[dense sphinx]

180+, sf158 dont seem to drop enough MP pots to fix the issue, ty for the tips, but im too lazy to micromanage these things and i will just hope nexon notice theres a gameplay issue with that buff for shadowers with 7k MP 🥹

[fierce sigil]

Sf158 not really an efficient place to be, I would switch to SF147 until you have enough to get to 168

I'm 187 on my shad right now and still at 144, it does absolutely nothing for exp but worth it for the meso gain. Will go to either 168 or 180 next

[ancient galleon]

for SF just buy higher amount of MP potions and that will solve the issue, for bossing it needs to be looked after by Nexon. There were ideas to have separate cooldown for MP/HP pots, which should be happening imo. Keep highlight the issue in feedback, let's see if they change it before you reach sf194

[dense sphinx]

hmm, idk if you have been tracking your data because from my testing -
SF144 gives 4.8m mesos and 1.3b exp /h
SF 158 gives 6.2m mesos and 2.8b exp /h
i have only calculated it once, so sample might be too small. but i did with my own fixed alts, so there shouldnt be any big difference

but regarding SF 147, i remember it being worse than 144 in terms of mesos/exp, is that not true?

[dense sphinx]

i just remembered HT might influenced the numbers, but it's whatever, mesos is what im going after rn

[fierce sigil]

that's a real big difference honestly, I'll check it out and see if i can find a party there

[fierce sigil]

SF144 is better mesos

I don't know how you're getting 2.8 at 158 because i was getting around that much at 168 with two pendants, kerning and 70% hot time. Seems like that's on the real higher end

[dense sphinx]

i have 70% exp from accessories, but my alts have lv5~7 in PEXP hyper stat and a bishop
i will run one more sf158 tomorrow night during the HT and see if i actually popped every EXP buff(exp ticket/potions) during that 2.8b exp sample, i cant remember
but i know there are people claimed that SF158 is better than 168 due to its layout, think i read that on reddit

[dense sphinx]

im getting 3.2b/h now instead lol, with only 50% HT and my exp accessories, guess you and your party were struggling at 168 if thats the case

[fierce sigil]

what's your weapon like

[dense sphinx]

mythic jaihin lv30 non emblem

[fierce sigil]

maybe my stats not relevant because i tried it on bucc

shadower might be better with mobbing i guess

[dense sphinx]

maybe, but one thing i learned from my bucc is that their animation is so slowwww, and damage lines arent appealing too

[fierce sigil]

Yeah honestly, reaching 200 was fun but then i realized I'm quite trash at training

need a lot more funding for bucc to be good

[plush breach]

hello! is there a thief's discord grp?

[shell wadi]

hey fellow shadowers, do ya'll have dark sight and shadow walker as pet autobuff during bossing?

[strange ivy]

No

You want to use your DS for specific actions especially with the longer bullshit cd

[shell wadi]

i see. then put it back on during autobattle?

[strange ivy]

well, could yea but not if thats gonna be a gamechanger idk

[fierce sigil]

too much work tbh

[dusk ledge]

Agreed with Patrick, never put dark sight or shadow walker as pet auto buff during bossing. I always take it off in bossing and put it back on during ab.

[shell wadi]

cool thanks for all the tips guys. Do you put both dark sight and shadow walker together on preset or separate?

[royal crystal]

How is shadower damage against DB after remaster? Just got necro slayer but still deciding on class. Fully deck out Paladin as my main

[ancient galleon]

DB still at least tier higher than Shad

[strange ivy]

DB > Shad especially in bursting
Shad can slightly catch up over time but thats it

[dusk ledge]

I put it separate, but i know some that preset them together. Depends on your preference

[dusk ledge]

DBs are still much stronger than shad. Maybe with V3 we will get closer to DBs

[fierce sigil]

DB is better than shad in DPS but I feel like Shad V3 is pretty awesome compared to DB V3

but yeah V3 not out yet so can't compare that

[livid swan]

There’s currently an issue with meso explosión and split. It will prioritize the clone as main boss and ignore the boss itself

Atleast for me it’s been happening every time I run with a shade

@dusk ledge @strange ivy have you guys noticed this?

[strange ivy]

Im using BE, but i got recording from last Ark run lemme check

As far as i can see from the recording BE prioritize with Boss

[livid swan]

Maybe just my character is bugged

[dusk ledge]

Oh I’m not sure. lol I don’t really check if my meso explosion is hitting clones I only get to run with a shade in lotus, and I’m too focused on surviving in lotus.

[livid swan]

[tawdry roost]

what about shadower vs phantom for endgame wise? (including the future v4 etc)

[strange ivy]

V4 my man playing in 2025

[fierce sigil]

Shadower V4 isn't a bossing skill i guess

[visual quail]

b>shadower help/guide/discord

[fierce sigil]

you don't need assassinate for mobbing

[vast wave]

depends on what u wanna focus on

u can DM me if u have questions to ask

i'm more familiar with end-game stuff but I can give input based on what u wanna focus on

[fierce sigil]

quick question, should i keep meso explosion on my skill wheel?

i know it auto triggers if you don't, but any benefit of having it on the wheel?

for mobbing specifically

[gloomy raven]

I don’t think there’s any benefit of having it on the wheel since you lose out on some final dmg if you trigger it before you have 15 coins on the ground

[fierce sigil]

yeah that's what I was thinking

btw just wondering, because of how much final DMG increase you get from meso explosion does that mean it's easy to hit cap on it?

Also, is there any better explanation to how meso explosion works? because hit count 2 and Target count 1 is clearly wrong

[gloomy raven]

Yeah it is very easy to cap on it especially with max nodes. And as for how it works, basically each coin targets one mob with 2 lines, but with shadow partner you get 4. So during bossing, 15 coins will hit the boss, giving 60 lines (someone correct me if I’m wrong)

[ancient galleon]

Each coin hit 1 target 2 times. You get 15 coins max, so I leave you the math

[wintry lodge]

I think shadow partner might not apply to mesos explosion. just based on observation everytime my ME activates I see all lines of cap which i feel is not likely if there are lines from shadow partner

[gloomy raven]

Ooh you’re right, ty

[fierce sigil]

so it can hit max of 15 targets pretty much?

[fierce sigil]

that makes way more sense, thanks. Skill description for this one wasn't clear

[ancient galleon]

Yes, unless you use bloody version, then all 15 coins hit 1 target with extra BA

If you’re lazy like me just stick with bloody explosion on your pets. Cba swapping it each time

[fierce sigil]

yee i keep pickpocket on pet and have the bloody one on my skill wheel to use when I boss, no need to switch that way

shad mobbing is seriously amazing though

But new Meso Guard is completely ASS

[wintry lodge]

I find that even if i keep blood mesos on all the time, the explosions still target different targets so for me it seems there is no incentive to switch between the 2

It could be that it is programmed in a way that if the mob only requires 2 mesos explosions to down then the game automatically allocates only 2 to each mob

[fierce sigil]

yeahh ur 1 hitting that's probably why

the red mesos just look way cooler though

can't wait to hit 200, almost 192 now

hoping there's at least a decent gameplay change once 200

[wintry lodge]

If u thought sdw mobbing is good now, wait till u get v1 and v2, both skills can literally wipe every mob on screen

[fierce sigil]

Shitttt so pumped, but is there a ridiculous 3 minute cooldown on the skills like most 5th job skills

[strange ivy]

45 & 15s but v2‘s radius ain’t that big

[ancient galleon]

Shad after 200 is even more cool

Most iconic skill shadow assault is back on steroids as vmatrix

[fierce sigil]

I'm just glad gameplay at least changes a bit, bucc was so disappointing, gameplay exactly the same after 200

[fierce sigil]

is that like the OG Band of Thieves skill from PC

i loved that skill

[ancient galleon]

Nah band of thieves is different. Shadow assault was that teleport slash

[fierce sigil]

ohh yeah that's cool AF

anyone remember assaulter from PC?

the blue slash thing

[ancient galleon]

Ye

I was playing dit 15 years ago on PC ^^

[fierce sigil]

That old band of thieves + ME combo

[fierce sigil]

Theif, bandit, chief bandit, shadower

Back when getting to 4th job was a months long grind

[gloomy raven]

I loved band of thieves 🥲

[tawdry roost]

nothing beats the sound of savage blow. 🤤

[fierce sigil]

And that animation

But you had to literally be hugging the monsters to attack lol

[tawdry roost]

true. Bandit is my very first job into maplestory world back in 2007. Lots of good memories xD Cant wait to be done with my phantom and next i will fully dive into shadower again hehe

[gloomy raven]

That with the Korean fan weapon really miss the variety of weapons from MS

[wintry lodge]

Can I ask what is the SC scores of the top shadowers in ur respective servers?

[strange ivy]

4.4 as far as i've seen recently

[wintry lodge]

Thats for EU?

[strange ivy]

yeah, we got no ancient shad lately who's going for culvert
i got 1st with avg of 4280 or so per week

[wintry lodge]

I see i see, thanks!

[dusk ledge]

5,572 inosys NA

[livid swan]

5075 for NA scania

[shell wadi]

Any idea when V3 will come? Can’t wait to play with sonic blow

[dusk ledge]

Should be June or July patch.

[fierce sigil]

Sonic blow is basically a bossing skill right?

BTW, do you guys use the original damage style or the "New" damage style, because i feel like i only get to see all my lines with the Old one

New damage style is very unsatisfying on shadower

[tawdry roost]

i just use the original ones because of nostalgia xD

[shell wadi]

Yeah sonic blow is for bossing

Fav class since 2006, no time to play pc maple anymore tho 🤣

[tawdry roost]

Same here hehe. Thankfully they made mobile ver and it's pretty enjoyable so far. I miss grinding in singapore maps (fighting those sailor ghosts) while chatting with homies

[fierce sigil]

tbh i miss that too.. that spawn rate was something else

[fierce sigil]

How good is it

[shell wadi]

I only know from watching videos on YouTube. Looks like a butt-ton of lines and have to be smart about when to use it (locks you in place), which will make using it interesting and fun

[vast wave]

I heard the trick around it is to make sure v2 is up then u use v2 straight after v3 to release from the lock in

Not sure if msm will be the same though

[fierce sigil]

V2 is the dash?

[vast wave]

Thats v1, v2 is the one that teleports u to the boss

[fierce sigil]

damn so i guess I'll get the dash free when i get 200

gotta prep mesos for those nodes

[ancient galleon]

Korean fan + savage blow. Oh boi, that was no brainer and such a fun to exp

[gloomy raven]

pan lid BIS 😅

[fierce sigil]

don't forget Sauna robes and how meso guard actually used mesos and would let you die if you had all your mesos in storage

[vast wave]

Posting SC score here to hopefully inspire other shadowers to push their limits. This was done with exp and pexp hyperstats so definitely still room for improvement

Am happy to share advice for SC, just drop me a DM

[strange ivy]

Go full PE hoe and tank them flames

[tawdry roost]

Thanks! will ask a ton of questions once I'm back from work 💯💯

[vast wave]

Haha i tried before but the results were actually worse than my usual jumping around 🥲

[dusk ledge]

Strongest shadower

[ancient galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-revenge-of-sith-anakin-vader-darth-vader-gif-19644107

[fierce sigil]

My Shadower at 194 now, I think probably 3-4 weeks till I hit 200

[severe stream]

Anyone can help me with nodestones? which trio to use

[strange ivy]

ME/Assa/Veil
Flare/Sudden/cruel

Once again another patch with bug fixes and shadower gets fucked

[fierce sigil]

what did they do to us this time

[strange ivy]

v1 & v2 still fucked

[fierce sigil]

[hot coyote]

Meso explosion, Assasinate, Shadow Veil - This will be your Tricore setup.

[stone wigeon]

Any hyper passive recomend for lv 191?. And meso dagger rate 30% is good?

[fierce sigil]

I have some bad news for you...

[stone wigeon]

What's that?

[strange ivy]

3 Assa, ME Reinforce & Enhance

[fierce sigil]

You don't get hyper skill point at 191

181 is last

[stone wigeon]

Wtf?

So only get 5 hyper passive?

[fierce sigil]

Ya

[stone wigeon]

Bruh. I think we can get all hyper passive

[stone wigeon]

Thanks

3 Assa, ME Reinforce & crit damage.

is it still good? or should i reset it?

[vast wave]

This is what i would recommend. Im still against ME enhance, seems totally useless to me

[stone wigeon]

I think so to. CD 30% it's huge 😅

[tawdry roost]

So in what order would you guys do? 141 to 181 = all assassinate hyper skills first or mesos hyper skills

[vast wave]

Assa fd, me fd, assa ba, assa cd, me cd

Thats if i wanna focus on bossing

Currently im using assa fd, assa ba, me fd, cruel stab extra line, cruel stab fd

[tawdry roost]

Ohh noted. Ty foochu

I think I will do the second as well to farm more efficiently because lv still young and couldnt really do well in bossing 💀

[strange ivy]

ME gonna cap anyways tho, so why not go for enhance?

[fierce sigil]

Cause we ain't capping bruh

[strange ivy]

If you not capping ME you doing something wrong?
I did cap 15.1m with a mythic dagger

[fierce sigil]

lvl40 dagger with nodes too?

[strange ivy]

Obv?

[fierce sigil]

Maxed nodes?

[severe stream]

What ration of CD/BA emblems does shadower use?

[strange ivy]

Mostly common everything from 2-6 to 6-2, depends on whom you asking

[shell wadi]

under skill description of shadow walker it says "...increases Final DMG while Ultimate Dark Sight and Dark Sight are active at the same time". How do we activate Ultimate Dark Sight? I can't find that skill description anywhere

[gloomy raven]

I think that is the name of another thief’s dark sight

[strange ivy]

Basic -> +with Shadow Walker -> +with Dark sight „ultimate dark sight“

[frosty flame]

why our v1 hitting 1 dmg in sc stage 5 😢

[strange ivy]

You need Defense Smash 4 node to activate before you use your burst in higher sc stages

[shell wadi]

Do y’all only sometime get one v1 charge instead of 4? Is this a known bug?

[strange ivy]

It is, has been recorded constantly for months
but developers ain’t smart enough to handle it

[dusk ledge]

it happens often. Nexon never fixed it.

[fierce sigil]

Wtf, this is such a massive DPS loss...

Bruh imagine having a bugged V1 skill for months, I would be flipping mad. Y aren't y'all raging

[tawdry roost]

cuz it's Nexon

[strange ivy]

It’s nothing new that we are the only class with 2 bugged vskills
Get used to it

[vast wave]

https://youtu.be/WS7JCPzgYmI
heres the link to my most recent SC video
for those looking to push their SC score higher can just DM me, am always happy to answer any questions!

[fierce sigil]

Wtf even V2 is bugged?

I have only like 1.5 levels left I don't wanna get there and have shit be bugged af

[strange ivy]

[fierce sigil]

I forgot about it

but damn. both bugged

[shell wadi]

I haven’t noticed v2 being bugged, v1 is bugged quite frequently though. Still having a blast on shad

[gloomy raven]

I only have issues with trickblade drowning me all the time in ghb 🤦‍♂️

[shell flax]

What’s the new skill wheels for bossing and training? Just came back after awhile

[vast wave]

This my bossing skill wheel. Shadow veil/dark flare preset, poison/sudden raid preset

And this is my training skill wheel

[fierce sigil]

just to clarify, midnight carnival nodes are absolutely useless right? think I'll extract all of them then

[shell flax]

Thank you!

[gloomy raven]

Congrats! And yes but level up your trash boost nodes to 5/8/13/21/25 to get the most out of extraction

[fierce sigil]

Shadower V skills are amazing and so aesthetic

[tawdry roost]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/maplestory/images/c/c5/NPCArtwork_Shadower_(Male).png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20220118213221 do this class hairstyle ever come to msm?

[shell wadi]

More interested in the mask/scarf thing

[tawdry roost]

Yeah that too. Would be nice if we can at least get that someday.

[gloomy raven]

What's the minimum gear/hp requirements for Ark as shadowers? Do we also need 120k hp?

[strange ivy]

not if you play smart, but yea 120k to make sure to not die

[gloomy raven]

do you need a lot of ancient gear too?

[strange ivy]

nah, first ark i did was
mythic dagger, inherit hat,gloves and shoes for hp iirc
rest mythic

[gloomy raven]

oh awesome, I think I'm getting pretty close then after I study mechanics - thanks Pat 🙏

[finite dirge]

Is that means full cd is new meta? Because the crit rate no more cap

[vast wave]

seems like it, luckily i've always preached CD emblems

[gloomy raven]

10% ba still beats out 20% cd though 🤔

[vast wave]

depends on ur base stats!

not to mention u can get up to 120%BA from buffs in contrast to only 30%CD

[gloomy raven]

oh I see, good to know

[fierce sigil]

Is it just me or have the skill animations changed a little bit? Specifically the double jump animation

[gloomy raven]

they changed everything at remaster, but don't think anything was touched since then

[finite dirge]

Bro can I have this dmg calculator 🥹

[broken atlas]

Hi Hi, about hyperstats which ones i should lvl up first?

[finite dirge]

Final damage

[broken atlas]

i mean... which ones i should lvl up...

FD, PhyDMG // MCD, add dmg?

[fierce sigil]

Final damage.. then phy dmg, then ADI I think

[broken atlas]

ty ty

one more question, about V skills (venom burst and shadow walker) which one i should take first? also both of them make significant difference on bossing/farming?

[fierce sigil]

I’m not sure about that one, haven’t unlocked either yet lol. My main focus is only farming though maybe that’s why

[vast wave]

Venom burst first, it’s extra DoT lines

Mostly for bossing, the aoe for venom isnt quite big enough to make any significant difference in farming

[vast wave]

I went for MDC>ADI>FD>PD

Just thinking about the last one whether to go BA or CR

[broken atlas]

ty Foochu

[gloomy raven]

I don’t think I can post links here, but if you Google MapleStory m damage calculator there’s a link from github that’ll take you there

[ancient galleon]

Final dmg then MDC is you cap ME, then extra line 15%/phy dmg

[finite dirge]

This is my current nodes setting, should I craft DSI or shadow Walker for next slot?

[ancient galleon]

Looks alright, but you don't need HB except for certain bosses. Replace it with combat orders imo for extra phy dmg.

I would go for shadow walker for bosses to increase your burst dmg.

[finite dirge]

ok thanks for help🙏🏻

[strange ivy]

lol

[fierce sigil]

Think basically just gotta deal with the bugged skills lmao

[vast wave]

Tried my best but just couldn’t break through the 10k sc ceiling

[fierce sigil]

Excuse me sir, what the fuck

Is this real..

[vast wave]

Fair trade broke sc

[gloomy raven]

wow congrats!

do you need def smash for SC?

[vast wave]

Definitely need DS4

[dusk ledge]

Wow nice!! What's your mdc?

[vast wave]

23.3!

[dusk ledge]

Dang that's goals. I'm still less than 20m one day I'll get up there

[vast wave]

It’s a marathon not a sprint! Took me ages to build my gear as well

[gloomy raven]

Hey guys in terms of leveling our V skills, is there a priority on V1 or V2? Or should I level them equally? I was thinking of prioritizing trick blade since it’s higher up time 🤔

[strange ivy]

V1 due to the burst I’d say

[fierce sigil]

I’d probably go with V1 first

[vast wave]

I would go with v2 since v1 has higher sdmg% and is easier to cap. That being said v1 burst is more significant

[vast wave]

Finally cleared F45 of mulung

Maybe first sdw to clear?

[ancient galleon]

record a video of full mulung clear next time

[vast wave]

Used at least 3 sets of full buffs before finally clearing so was lazy to record without any certainty of clearing haha

[ancient galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-gif-21458880

[knotty portal]

#WorldBestSdw

[gloomy raven]

Makes sense, thanks guys!

[dusk ledge]

Congrats!!!! I also cleared it on Saturday. Not as fast as u tho

[vast wave]

Danggg then the honour goes to u my friend! I’m just glad that I got this content out of the way so I can move on 🤪

[hybrid dust]

should i reflame it into PA:EXP?
i have 2 legendary flames to use and this is the only item i have 2 lines on

[strange ivy]

yes try to go pa:exp early game

[dusk ledge]

Lol it gets easier the more u practice. I was so close to beating it before the patch. I just casually run it after ark daily runs. Fun daily runs

[hybrid dust]

🙆‍♂️

[vast wave]

I see i see, its tough for me to take the time to practice coz my party runs autobattle non-stop so if i’m gone for too long they’ll start hating on me 😅

[dusk ledge]

Dang true dedication to ab party xD

[frosty flame]

guys, venom burst & shadow walker, which one to max first?

[strange ivy]

Venom, DoT

[unborn matrix]

There are other shadowers

[gloomy raven]

we did it! Our guild’s first ark clear 🥹

I wasn’t able to get to 120k hp, but managed okay by keeping fair trade off mostly

[strange ivy]

gz!

[fierce sigil]

This class is seriously the best I’ve played so far. Few things come close to as strong and tanky it is with little funding

After my DW is 200 I’ll decide if I wanna main that or this

[tawdry roost]

Nothing beats the swag of a shadower. 😈 One of the best revamp og class in many years to come.

[unborn matrix]

Congrats that’s one hell@of a milestone

[dry plover]

Congrats Island, awesome milestone!

[vivid oracle]

Is CD also most important stat for Shadower?

[vast wave]

no balanced stats are the most important

[strange ivy]

4/4 emblem here
Doing totally fine

[oak ember]

Wdym balanced stats are impt

Is there some kind of baseline for each offensive stats

[vast wave]

Means that u shouldnt try to skew ur stats focusing on one

When i look for stats to improve i usually tend to increase the lowest of all my stats

For sdws specifically this is usually pdmg

[vivid oracle]

What is the best wheel for Bossing and AB pre lvl 200

[idle cobalt]

Hi, can I know how the best V Matrix looks like for a bossing built Shadower please

!vmatrix

[plush shore]

Kelevra, that command is disabled in this channel.

[vast wave]

If u still wondering can DM me, i’ll send u mine

[idle cobalt]

Hey thanks so much guys @hot coyote @vast wave I think I got it

Are you guys happen to play in A2S? Haha

[vast wave]

We’re both A2Z

Haha

[oak ember]

OneTouchh is from Pandemonium also?

[hot coyote]

Yeah, but im retired already.

[paper saffron]

is there a guide for shad players? for equipments.

[vast wave]

Equipment wise, i think its pretty standard across all classes

[paper saffron]

hmm so can use any equips? are there like end game stuff?

[vast wave]

Yeah end game is absolat gears lv60

End point is more or less the same for everyone

[paper saffron]

what about mid game like anything that's good?

like for example isn't jaihin better than utgard?

[vast wave]

Well when u necro ur gear u get to choose what base stat u want, so regardless of jaihin or utgard it can be changed later on

[vast wave]

Midgame is probably lv40-50 necros

[paper saffron]

necros?

i just started a week ago

do you mind helping me what to do

[vast wave]

Hmm there are some guides in this discord

Tbh im not familiar with the early game stuff anymore, it’s been maybe 4 years since i started

Can anyone help to direct our dear friend here

[paper saffron]

this is my stuff atm

[fierce sigil]

That’s like late mid game more like..

If that’s midgame then I guess I’m always going to remain a beginner

[vast forum]

Anything to Lvl 30 to 40 Mythic (Emblem) are start till late early-game progression
Lvl 30-50 Fafnir are early till mid-game progression
Lvl 40 Inherits/Necros have shifted to late mid-game progression
Lvl 50 Inherits/Necros are late-game progression (On the border of crossing over to end-game)
Lvl 50 Chaos Inherit/Absolab and beyond are current end-game progression

[strange ivy]

what is this inherit & chaos gear harassment

[fierce sigil]

lmao middle finger to inherit users apparently

[strange ivy]

i dont feel offended at all

[fierce sigil]

Ur not inherit…

[strange ivy]

[fierce sigil]

Necro weapon tho

[strange ivy]

as you can see, theres still 4 inherit
and even 2 mythic pieces

[vast forum]

Sorry man, i just updated it

Still the same but with Inherits

[vast wave]

yeah new players pls follow this, i've played this game for too long so my perception is a little skewed

[dry plover]

How much did it cost you to max out everything? Working on v skills now and it's a painnnnnnn
Nice matrix though, you're definitely throwing down some serious damage 🙂

[hot coyote]

Around SGD $13k to 15k give & take. Currently working on my 2nd Matrix for my new Dual Blade.. lol

[dry plover]

Damn, sounds about right though.
Thanks for the info, good luck on your DB matrix!

[hot coyote]

Thank you! 🙂

[unborn matrix]

Wait @dry plover you’re a shadower?

[dry plover]

nah LMAO.
I have a lvl 202 shadower, but pretty much just a node farming alt. I love the class, just am more dedicated to working on my main (NL) for now.
I keep tabs on this sub-channel cause I'm curious to hear what the experienced shadower's have to say. 😄

[unborn matrix]

Oh ok I thought I was tripping lol

[fierce sigil]

Feel like Shadower has some of the best V skills in the game

[strange ivy]

if best stands for most bugged, yea

[fierce sigil]

They fixed V1 right? I haven't come across the V1 bug in a while

[strange ivy]

According to me running into lotus laser after v1 went into cd after 2 bursts
no

[fierce sigil]

fucked

[mental kindle]

Can someone please post the trickblade description?

[mental kindle]

Thank you so much ❤️ appreciate it. Could I possibly see the numbers too?

[mental kindle]

Awesome 😊 thanks again

[fierce sigil]

Wtf the skill damage goes that crazy after leveling up?

[dreamy badger]

Ooohhh hello there fellow Shads.

[idle cobalt]

Y’all think they nerfing or buffing sdw on coming patch?

[fierce sigil]

Knowing nexon probably nerf

[strange ivy]

We already almost top tier, I’m fine with a nerf as long as they finally fix v1 & v2

[dense sphinx]

do i prioritize leveling v1 or v2 for bossing? or is v2 generally better than v1 due to its numbering?

[strange ivy]

Id say v2 due to smaller cooldown
but I’ve always tried to keep them kinda equal and since v1 bugged aswell you’re not always getting 4 bursts out of it anyways

[dense sphinx]

yeap i have the same issue with v1 as well, sometimes it just went on CD within 0.2s after pressing it once

[dreamy badger]

There’s no bug with v1, you just need to know how to use it right 😉

[dense sphinx]

pray tell

[dense sphinx]

lol my bro unfollowed this forum right after

[fierce sigil]

🤡

[paper saffron]

Is there a guide for which hyper passive skill should be upgraded first?

[modern galleon]

Can someone sell me a reasonably priced level 40 emblem jaihin dagger? Im only a month and a half into the game, but I need the kickstart of a good weapon so I can start into some content.

[drifting geyser]

Buying 20* mythic thief outfit 900m na Inosys

[fierce sigil]

V1 still fucking bugged

@strange ivy this is never going to get fixed

[modern galleon]

What's the bug?

[strange ivy]

V1 has 4 bursts, but goes into cd from time to time after 1-3 bursts within the 10s timewindow
V2 teleports u not to the boss but ark orbs, bots in lotus, underwater in ghb erc

[tame marsh]

So still bugged after update I take it?

[strange ivy]

Haven’t tested yet, but I think at least no v1 bug in Lotus yesterday for me

[tame marsh]

Keep me updated

Also for v2, is the teleport range large?

[strange ivy]

Worst examples so far?
Ark across the map to the other orb
GHB from the top down to the bottom swimming session
GD from the far right to a mob on the far left
So range is pretty much screen range+ I guess

[tame marsh]

And boss is directly on top of you in ark/gd?

Just want to get a sense of the range

[strange ivy]

yea, Ill send you some screenshots later

[tame marsh]

If I recall correctly, there was a target priority problem with BW’s v2 that was fixed, so it should be possible with shadowers and fpm

The teleporting underwater in ghb resembles NW’s issue so it may slightly more difficult?

[pine cove]

Anyone selling good necro dagger? Asia 2 scania 🫠

[tame marsh]

Please refrain from posting items that you are wanting to buy, and or sell in the future, as this is not a trade server. I see that you’ve posted about this several times before so consider this an unofficial warning.

[eternal mirage]

Wasup fellow shadowers, new to the class and loving it so far, what’s a good setup hyper skill wise for a lvl 150 character ?

Will be mostly auto battling,

With daily dungeon runs of course

Preciate the info in advanced

[modern galleon]

@eternal mirage shadower mobbing always falls behind. You should focus on bossing skills. Hyper skills all 3 for assassination, top and bottom skill for meso explosion

[eternal mirage]

Awesome, thanks for the info! Yeah I already scaled into assassinate, was trying cruelty stab for the mobbing, but good to know I’ll respec it

[fierce sigil]

what about for an alt Shadower, cruel stab still the way to go?

or assassinate better? I've been using Cruel Stab at AF60 and feel like if I one shot, it'll be best to keep my points in Cruel Stab

[modern galleon]

Yeah. An alt that isn't going to be doing a lot of bossing should focus on mobbing. Cruel stab is best for mobbing. Shadower mobbing is worse than most classes, but for an alt it's probably the way to go.

[fierce sigil]

shadower mobbing is really good honestly

Shadower gets 12k kills at edge of space easy

compared to my bucc that got 10k, Evan got 9k and Dawn Warrior that hardly managed 7

[idle cobalt]

V1 still bugged 🥲

Can we get a fix soon, why is that difficult 😦

[shell wadi]

Lv 207 shadower and only realized yesterday that with dark sight on I am immune to damage reflect 😮😮 what a game changer

[strange ivy]

the more you know

[modern galleon]

Do you guys use trickblade outside of bossing? Like just throw it in your mobbing wheel?

[idle cobalt]

I do, decent range and hit targets, 1 hit to kill, why not haha

[fierce sigil]

Definitely, it's a real good mobbing skill too. Short cd

[modern galleon]

Thanks

[modern galleon]

What is the next node skill i should go for? That shadowy evasion one, or the venom burst thing?

[strange ivy]

Venom for DoT

[modern galleon]

Thanks

[chrome plume]

For anyone who decided between shadower and DB how did you choose?

[strange ivy]

Burst -> DB
Constant DPS -> Shadower

[fierce sigil]

was an easy decision, nobody can beat shadower at SF survivability. 12k kills each hour of EOS. EZ 200. sick V skills with short cooldowns. consistent and cool ass aesthetic and more then 1 button playstyle.

oh and how could I forget my favorite part, consistently bugged V1 that refuses to get fixed

[vast wave]

I picked shadower when it first released, but if I had a choice at starting both from scratch I would pick DB simply since the maximum potential for DB is higher. Basically I stuck to shadower as I was ‘in too deep’

[edgy shoal]

Maybe this is a silly reason but even from pc maplestory meso explosion was my favorite skill. Seeing mesos flying around and dealing damage is just so satisfying

[dusk ledge]

I stuck with Shadower because just like Foochu said, I invested too much by the time DB was released. Also, almost every whale rerolled to DB, and I wanted to be different. With the remaster, I don’t regret my decision at all, I still think Shadower’s skills are more aesthetic and cooler than DB's. Right now, DB is easily the top class, but with V3 coming, there’s gonna be a shift. Shadower might be on par with DB after the v3 patch

[fierce sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-boi-excited-smile-grin-gif-17305845

but shadower V3 has 120 or 180s cooldown right, does it really do that much damage in 5 seconds?

I guess we'll see in a month

[dusk ledge]

If you max it, it should be 45 secs

And from what I've heard, it's our strongest skill. Stronger than our v4

[fierce sigil]

oh shit 45

yeah, V4 is a mobbing skill right

[dusk ledge]

Yeah, v4 is a mobbing skill, but can cast other skills during v4

I think

[frozen pendant]

After maxing trinodes..what is the next skill node that shadowers should prioritise. If anyone can provide a list of what should be upgraded first would be nice. Thx in advance

[strange ivy]

id say
Shadow assault > trickblade > Venom burst > shadow walker

[dusk ledge]

For now, I would suggest you saving your nodes for v3. Maxing V3 will be your priority. After maxing v3, follow what patrick said.

[frozen pendant]

Thx guys..btw for shadow assault bossing..is it just spam the button 4x or should i have a short delay before pressing the skill again?

[dusk ledge]

yeah most of the time you want to spam button 4x, but for bosses like lotus, you want to use it for iframe (for laser)

[mental kindle]

What skills do yall use for boost nodes? I've heard assassinate/ME/sudden raid and assassinate/ME/shadow veil

[strange ivy]

2 versions of Assa/me/Veil for bossing
2 versions of Sudden/dark flare/cruel stab for mobbing

[mental kindle]

thank you 🙏

[quick veldt]

@chrome plume one of us one of us

[south wren]

@glacial token from the mouth of the opiest shadower. this is your trio

[fierce sigil]

Wait a minute wtf I thought Shad V3 was supposed to leave you stationary?

https://www.youtube.com/live/9i9-3DElS6I?feature=share

[vast wave]

Hmmm based on the video looks like DB’s V1

Which may actually be better

[fierce sigil]

Yeah exactly

But tbh, looks a lot cooler

[strange ivy]

am i supposed to search through 1h30m livestream now to see where it happened?

[lapis marten]

Oh, wait till 8pm for the video iirc

which is in 4 mins

🤣

I can get you the timestamp tho if you want?

https://youtu.be/9i9-3DElS6I?t=463

[strange ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-trust-chest-pound-brotherhood-gif-17669441

[lapis marten]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDDDumpILLY&t=153s English version

[strange ivy]

nobody every said stationary i think, you will just get no iframe even tho you are
"moving faster than the speed of light"

[fierce sigil]

Lmao but I'm happy it's not a stationary skill

Hoping for a short CD so I can put it on the AB wheel

[vast wave]

Pity the video is testing on mobs, can’t really gauge the amt of lines

Just wanna know how our v3 sizes up to db’s v1

If its equivalent thats huge for us

[strange ivy]

if its not bugged thats huge for us

[fierce sigil]

24hrs patch notes should drop

[fast sun]

The TW stream

[fierce sigil]

Seems like it's a 120 second cooldown, gg

[fast sun]

At lvl 1

At lvl 30 it’s 45 seconds

[strange ivy]

thank god, we stacked them nodes for thursday

[gloomy raven]

do our v1-v2 skills have lower cooldowns at max too?

[strange ivy]

my v1 at 30 still 45s
my v2 at 25 still 15s

[quick veldt]

sheeeesh

lines on lines

[modern galleon]

Ive got all this money im so tempted to spend on hyper skills and now even more tempted with nodes... im so close to affording a good dagger...

[drifting geyser]

Waite till node drop again

[fierce sigil]

Anyone send the skill description of V3?

[fierce sigil]

% and lines please?

[vast wave]

I just tested it out, its sick

Just like DBs v1 but longer CD

[fierce sigil]

Wtf, you maxed it already?

Any idea what the cooldown at level 1 was?

[vast wave]

i didnt open my nodes since i moved over to the arcane field

so i had a ton saved up

[fierce sigil]

I'm guessing 90?

[vast wave]

i think 90

[fierce sigil]

Can be used during AB?

[vast wave]

i decided not to

range is too short

aoe is small

[shell wadi]

For my slots that I’ve maxed, should I place skill nodes on those slots or boost nodes?

[fierce sigil]

Oh alright

But this looks really OP for bossing, like 300 lines every 45 sec?

[vast wave]

yeah 12x28x2

[fierce sigil]

Oh shit I forgot about the shadow partner lines

That's insane

[vast wave]

yeah its basically Db's V1

their v1 is still slightly better but its comparable at least

[fierce sigil]

And on the other hand I heard DB V3 is trash

[vast wave]

i would recommend boost nodes first

yeah it seems quite lackluster

[shell wadi]

Aite cool ty

Probably unpopular opinion but I kinda feel like if v3 were immobile that would be cooler. Like it’s a super high risk high reward skill that requires good judgement of when to cast

[vast wave]

i think its like that in PC

[shell wadi]

Yup

[strange ivy]

is DB v1 immobile?

[fierce sigil]

No

[strange ivy]

So why make a weaker version immobile

[fierce sigil]

Amen

[strange ivy]

Venom Burst not even maxed yet smh teddy....

[fast sun]

It’s in the works

Need to farm more nodes

Venom did just hit 24 though

[mental kindle]

Can you please show me the numbers on your V1 and V2 😇

[fierce sigil]

Skill damage on these goes so crazy with levels

[mental kindle]

Thank you!!

[sharp moth]

Bro did u notice the delay in activation of V3? Also I was struggling when facing ark knockback and will cancel V3 activation. I guess timing is crucial as well

[vast wave]

There is some delay, but thats the same as DB V1 as well

As for knockback cancelling V3 i have yet to experience that

Will try and pay attention my new ark to see if anything of that sort happens. But based on the description of the skill we’re supposed to be resistant against any status

[sharp moth]

Ya based on description it should resist.. I shall try again, maybe my mechanics were wrong

[strange ivy]

Besides the missing lines, my v3 got canceled in ark yesterday after getting hit multiple times. Can’t say about lotus as the game threw me out from P1 40% to P3 30/40% lol

[vast wave]

Hmmm why can’t we have any v skills that work as intended

Is that too much to ask for

[strange ivy]

I’ll have to edit my positive feedback, got too happy too early

[fierce sigil]

Seems like third time isn't, in fact, the charm

[lapis marten]

oh, oh no 🤣

[strange ivy]

[mental kindle]

I have 100% experienced this too. Is it intended or not? 🤨

[strange ivy]

idk but especially the cancelation of v3 is fucked up
Especially the higher bosses have always some kinda attack which affects you
or gets you some kb, so have fun timing it and still get canceled

[strange ivy]

1 done
2 to go

[lapis marten]

Finally 🤣

back to 2 bugged V skills 💀

[sacred kelp]

I believe this is intended. DB's v1 would also get canceled by this. What u can do is jump away and back in to avoid

[dreamy badger]

Oh no we got nerfed!! Seems like you guys didn’t know how to actually use V1 and only cried half the time 🤣

[sharp moth]

According to skill description sonic blow should have push prevention.. it sound like knockback resistant but it is not working as it should… maybe some bosses push back and some knock back… nexon can’t even be consistent in the wordings

[sharp moth]

I know what u meant 😏 T..T we are doomed

[idle cobalt]

Is there a correct way to us V1?

Please share 😳

[strange ivy]

Surely he will enlighten us

[dreamy badger]

Gotta ask @strange ivy the guy who thinks he knows it all but apparently nope. Just cry on #msm-bug-report

nerfed your own very class 😄

[strange ivy]

Has to be your skill issue habibi, I’m getting the same output as before

[dreamy badger]

@idle cobalt he could only use it 2 taps while the rest of us could do it 20+ taps, so instead of learning his own class he cries 😄 #getgood

[strange ivy]

Please teach me

[vast wave]

oh they fixed that too? damn

basically its the same as the v1 spam bug ages ago, but u use cruel stab instead of assassinate

[fierce sigil]

how have you used that skill 30 times in 1 minute?

[fierce sigil]

20+ taps of V1? when, where

[strange ivy]

you could abuse it, just like back in the days
and by fixing the early cooldown they also fixed that

[dreamy badger]

@fierce sigil stay woke.

[finite dirge]

Is dark flare worth to cast it when bossing

No slot for my preset already

This is my current preset

[ancient galleon]

Put it on present with you hyper, same cd, problem solved

[topaz bronze]

Should I craft V2 or V3 or ropelift first?

[idle cobalt]

Rope lift!

[topaz bronze]

Thanks

[vast wave]

hi, can any shadower share with me the top shadower sc score for your server?
i just did mine and was rather lackluster so i was just wondering how i fared compared against others

[strange ivy]

i really dont think EU will be of any usage
but lemme dm you

[wispy sequoia]

at level 120 what skills should i be using to afk SF zones?

[glacial token]

Use cruel stab, dark flare, sudden raid. Those are our main mobbing skills

As you progress in the game assassinate is gonna be your main skill for bossing but at that lvl worry about maximizing your kill rate for more exp

[glacial token]

Also shadow veil once you unlock it

[modern galleon]

So what do shadowers put hyper points into for bossing?

[vast wave]

Hyper stats or hyper skill

[modern galleon]

Hyper stats

[lapis marten]

FD, ADI, MDC, PD (applies to all classes, you switch PD for MD if you are mage-based obviously)

[modern galleon]

Thank you

[lapis marten]

No prob glhf

[finite dirge]

do u guys use sudden raid, venom burst and dark flare when bossing? Or should I just whack with assassinate

[vast wave]

I use all of them, but that being said probably only worth if u use boost nodes with those skills

[strange ivy]

what gentleman said

[wispy sequoia]

so for bossing and stuff do i really just spam assasinate?

im lvl 131

[vast wave]

at that level probably yes

[finite dirge]

Ok thanks pro

Have to reach lvl220 to get slot for training boost

[wispy sequoia]

what order should i do hyper skills?

[fierce sigil]

if alt, put everything in cruel stab and the other in meso explosion

if main then 3x assassinate

[versed tiger]

Hey is there any guide up to date for shadower (AB for bossing and farming) and is there any hyper skill guide as well? 😮 thank you in advance

[mental kindle]

What do yall think of Sonic Blow now? Is it worth leveling up

[drifting geyser]

Probably not my first choice, v1 and v2 are better for max out first (great at bossing and mobbing), then all other skill nodes

All thet after maxing boost node

[strange ivy]

For Shadower:
V3>V4*>V1>V2

Commons:
V4* > V1 > V2 > V3 imo
*updated after V4

[strange ivy]

Depending on your progress
either go for cruel stab and if you dont cap ME reinforce and cd or
Assa all 3 as passive hypers for bossing + ME same same
for skills, whatever gets the job done i guess
Hyper, v1-3, Sudden Raid, Venom Burst,... just test out what works for you

[vast wave]

Decent prolonged burst that we’ve been lacking for quite awhile. Would probably lvl it first among the v skills since its the only one that progressive lvls reduce the cooldown

[mental kindle]

Thanks for the responses : ) I feel like i prefer V1 and V2 over it, but maybe i havent leveled it enough yet

also mangus knockback still hits me and cancels the skill

[cloud plinth]

Your first cast shouldnt be an issue since mag should be stunned. Most hmag run is sub 2 mins so most class wouldnt be able to use a 2nd time for v3

[mental kindle]

Yeah my guild isn't clearing that fast yet unfortunately 😕

I think I will keep leveling it until then though

[drifting geyser]

what option would u guys peek for nacro belt, considering all the rest of the equipment are bis empress ancient and top and bottom outfit

oh and i got necro slayer so i have fair trade

[modern galleon]

Can somebody show me their shadower v matrix for bossing and separate for mobbing?

[drifting geyser]

Can you do weaving on the mobile version ?

[vast wave]

nope, isnt a thing since mesos explosion is autocast

[rapid notch]

Any idea how to boost shadower att? Currently att stuck at 26k with ancient 40 weapon

[drifting geyser]

Ur 200+?
What about ur rest of ur gear?

Give us more info?

[strange ivy]

Sounds like missing out on flames etc, i had 28k+ at peak with mythic dagger

[drifting geyser]

Basically if ur shadow is a farmer then:
Hayper state- FD, PHY DMG and how much you can to ADI
Flames- weapon, outfit, shoulder x2 flame -phy to hp
All the rest- cd to exp (if u have source) x2 if u can

If u above 200 then- work on arcane symbol
Matrix- trio skills x2-3,
Active skill- v1, v2

Descent skill- combat order, sharp eye, speed infusion

[rapid notch]

Any comment on v matrix?

[rapid notch]

Maxed Fd adi and currently focusing on pdi.

[rapid notch]

Yes. Currently only weapon with 2lines pa scale to exp

[drifting geyser]

I would change shadow walker to decent hyper body

And adding decent combat order next

U main?

[strange ivy]

Venom burst
and if you’re planning to Level a v-skill focus on Shadow Assault

[rapid notch]

Venom burst helps alot?

[strange ivy]

Pretty good yea

[rapid notch]

How do venom burst work?

[strange ivy]

Just put on preset with Assasinate if you’re lazy

You hit it, poof aoe poison

[rapid notch]

Okay. Thanks brother

[dusk pendant]

Anyone have the max stat for shadower and thief v skills?

[strange ivy]

Just shadower v1 & v3
V2 just at 28

[dusk pendant]

Ha I'm in the same situation

[versed spruce]

Hey guys.

What’s the recommended Hyper skill build for Shadower?

[strange ivy]

Full Assa
ME is debatable, if you don’t cap just go fd/cd
Some say the extra coins are worth it, but it proccs anyways every like 1.5s
Just go cruel stab for farming if you want to

[versed spruce]

Thx! Appreciated

[dusk pendant]

for posterity this is v2 maxed stat

[topaz bronze]

Anyone know what should be the BA/CD ratio for shadower?

[strange ivy]

Everything kinda works 8/0, 6/2, 4/4 but better than CD is just more CD

[fallen shell]

Hi, I just passed 200 a few days ago and I have a few questions about the V skills and nodes, would anyone be willing to help me out as a fellow Shadower? I’m the only one in my guild so nobody really knows how to help me there.

[vast wave]

sure, i'm happy to help! just drop me a DM on discord with ur questions

[fast sun]

Why don’t you ever help me

[vast wave]

Too strong, nothing I can help with 👀

[livid swan]

👀

[rapid notch]

R u gonna max out ur assassinate trio node?

So just let it be, as long ur boost node is lvl 60

[fast sun]

Yeah no reason to go past 60

Cause you don’t gain anything

[near zinc]

What is the best eqp set for unfunded shadower?

[strange ivy]

The same as for everybody

[drifting geyser]

I got some questions on v3 class buff

• are you using it in mobbing?
  -is it good in bossing and how? Manual or on pet?

It just seems to become more complex and clicking on skills when bossing

[stuck lance]

@drifting geyser just auto , chill and leech

[vast wave]

I don’t use for mobbing, primarily since I can 1 hit mobs in my map without it and I just don’t feel the duration is long enough to make any difference. In bossing I guess u can describe it as a double edge sword, more dps but if u take extra dmg causing u to die then net result is a drop in dps. I usually pair it with dark sight so the extra dmg received is negated

[drifting geyser]

So u timeing it to dark sight in ark+ for 10sec
it sound like its not really worth to deal with it in ark, lotus, dem if we don't have amazing gear to take the dmg hit

*and every 45sec-60sec

[vast wave]

I try to time everything together with my v skills, the fd helps the shadow partner lines of ur v skills to cap. Especially since we dont have boost nodes for v skills so the fd component is severely lacking. Also the base PA it gives is a nice bonus even if u choose not to use the skill at all

[drifting geyser]

Base PA when equipping on pet?

Btw ty it really helped

[river lily]

That make sense

[vast wave]

Not on pet, just equipping the node without having to use the skill at all

[rapid notch]

Hey guys. Anyone can share the stat for maxed out of last resort?

[sharp moth]

Bro how do u use last resort and shadow walker? Do u use these two together for higher FD? Or separately last resort and shadow walker+dark sight at a time?

[vast wave]

Usually everything together

[sharp moth]

Ok nice! I am on the right track

[finite dirge]

Not my nearest run to solo lotus but only get this screenshot

I used all my ra coins and pe

Should wait for next week and try again before my ds4 expired

[oak ember]

Hi just asking for a friend, for the recent potential revamp what is important to be priortised for Shadower?

[vast wave]

hmm this really depends on the individual
for example, in my case I tend to prioritise PDmg and BA pots. PDmg because Sdws in general have very low PDmg, BA because my flames are heavily scaled to BA.

If your friend is a relatively new player then I would say CD pots go a long way

So I can't really give specific advice without knowing the stage your friend is at.
If he wants he can always drop me a DM.

[dense sphinx]

no doubt we need crit rate right? i remember people used to leave it unactivated, but not sure what was their reason

[quick veldt]

exp all the way

[shut veldt]

Should I preset meso explosion with Nate and/or cruel stab?

Or is that a bad idea?

[strange ivy]

No need to, ME auto-proccs every 1.x-ish seconds either way

[shut veldt]

Alright thanks

[loud ridge]

I came back to the game and dont know what to do first? Should I be focusing on getting a more stronger weapon?

[drifting geyser]

Try to save mesos and get some bis emblem equipment (weapon, glove and hat with cd) and pets for ur passive skills (free pets or u can buy in ts just make sure ty work with each other)

Start with thet

It better to buy a unique equipment and get it to sf17 and then rank it

[rapid notch]

Hey guys. Wanna ask. Are there any diff between mag piere and crimson Queen soul?

If I aiming for mdc

[vast wave]

no diff for mdc

[stuck lance]

Our explosion got bug? Can u guys try And check it out

[mental kindle]

my bloody explosion damage went wayyyy down

[livid swan]

hmmmm not sure

unbuffed in analysis

this was bossing

although im sure even ubuffed meso explosion always capped

unless i was looking at assasinate lines all this time

[strange ivy]

Just did a quick unbuffed one, left is from today right is from back in June. Will test later full buffed but seems okey
You were right

[dusk ledge]

📌 09.22 Patch Notice
Maplers, a quick patch has been scheduled.

▶ Patch Schedule:
2023.09.22 (Fri.) 01:00 - 01:20 (America / UTC-8)
2023.09.22 (Fri.) 11:00 - 11:20 (Europe / UTC+2)
2023.09.22 (Fri.) 17:00 - 17:20 (Asia / UTC+8)

▶ Notes:

• Occasional connectivity issues may occur during the time of the patch.
• Please restart your application once the patch has been completed.

▶ Details:

1. Fix an issue where upon casting Paladin's 'Divine Echo', Paladin's skill hit counts are abnormally applied
2. Fix an issue where upon casting Mercedes' 'Spirit of Elluel', 'Ishtar's Ring' skill's hit counts are abnormally applied
3. Fix an issue where certain skills of Wild Hunter is not correctly displayed on Battle Analysis
4. Fix an issue where Shadower's 'Bloody Explosion' and 'Meso Explosion', Evan's 'Magic Debris' skills' Final DMG Increase was not being applied
5. (Thai Language Only) Fix an issue where Cadena default face name is incorrectly translated
6. Server stabilization

Number 4

[stuck lance]

gratz

[vast wave]

Got shadow nerfed again LOL, whats new folks

[sharp moth]

Another bug? I just don’t know where to start, recently felt something not right with my dmg

[vast wave]

I was referring to the mesos explosion bug haha, but its fixed now

Supposedly

[sharp moth]

Ah I see.. well nothing new from nexon

[vast wave]

I realise that this mdc raise has done thieves even dirtier

We have overall less lines than half the other classes already, and i can’t even cap my shadow partner lines

[sharp moth]

If u can’t even cap your shadow partner lines, I think I don’t need to check mine.. for sure even lower..
They need to increase our lines.. 😭

[shrewd timber]

if i have the bloody explosion skill does it mean that meso explosion won’t activate and if so then the hyper skill for meso explosion is kind of pointless right ?

don’t rly uds the hyper skill for meso explosion if there is bloody explosion or is it actually the same thing ?

[strange ivy]

Hyperskill affecting both versions of Explosion

[shrewd timber]

just curious how did you find out ?

[strange ivy]

[shrewd timber]

OH HAHAHA

mbmb didn’t read that

[west zinc]

Shadower vs dual blade for a lv 200+ alt

Ancient fodder as weapon. Mythic emblem gear and top/bottom

At that gear, which one will be a better node farmer? Will Db suffer from survivability issue at that gear? Will shadower outdps DB after the initial DB first?

[vast wave]

Better node farmer definitely sdw

Both will survive fine

I would say sdw dmg only overtakes db at the point their hyper buff runs out

The one that gives ADI

[vast wave]

Hmmm, just based on gut feeling and abit of testing on my sub cadena, i do feel the maximum potential is higher than sdw

But i dont know anything about cadenas v skills so its hard to say

If equal v skills then i think cadena should definitely be better

[shrewd timber]

interesting… but i find sdw much easier to play tho haha just spam assassinate.. btw do u know cruel stab is better ? i mostly just use assasinate

[strange ivy]

Cruel Stab is just for farming, if you cant 1-2 hit mobs you might wanna use Assa

[shrewd timber]

oh yikes. i have been usingn assa all these while.. is there a reason why cruel stab is btr ? assa seems to deal more dmg

[strange ivy]

Target Count 7 vs 3

[shrewd timber]

ooo ok shall try. thanks!

[vast wave]

Longer range too

[sharp moth]

Hi fellow Shads… are smokescreen and dark flare skills useful in bossing?

[vast wave]

Think of smokescreen as giving ur team 15% CD

Dark flare probably only if u have max lv boost nodes and even so quite minor difference

[vast wave]

I may be wrong so don’t take my word as gospel

[drifting geyser]

I dont think it buff party members only us, u sure?

[sharp moth]

Do u even use these skills? Hahaha

[sharp moth]

Ya that’s what I thought, smokescreen effect is individual

[drifting geyser]

Im using smoke(help to raise dmg) with sudden raid (smoke first)
And flare only on filed, after 200 u have much better skill to focus on clicking

Skills*

[vast wave]

I do, i use all of them haha

Well, my take is that smokescreen puts a debuff on the boss, so with all other debuffs it should technically help the whole team

I havent found any evidence to suggest that it’s individual

And so far all other classes with debuffs affects the whole team so it doesnt make sense to me for sdw to be the only one with a debuff that works individually

[drifting geyser]

im debuff for a while with thet skill (we cant b sure) lol

u caping with flare?

[sharp moth]

Hi fellow shads.. is there something wrong with sonic blow and shadow assault hit counts?
Sonic blow Hit count 24 and max repeat 14: 24x14= 336
x2 for shadow partner 336x2= 672 hit counts
But I tested 1 cast only get 667 hit counts

Same for Shadow assault
Hit count 26, max repeat 4: 26x4= 104 hit counts
x2 for shadow partner 104x2= 208 hit counts
But I tested 1 cast only get 205 hit counts

Both my sonic blow and shadow assault already lvl30

[strange ivy]

You will always have a „miss“ here & there

[sharp moth]

Does increasing ACC helps?

[drifting geyser]

I just hit 220 wondering what will be the best emblem for exp gear?

I have 1cd and 2phy att right now

[strange ivy]

doesnt really matter tbh, my weapon has pa
wont make a big difference

[drifting geyser]

Do we need rebalace, im scared to being nerf

?

[vast wave]

It should be a buff

Sdw is alrdy below average

Shouldnt be a nerf

Plus we posterboy, issa good omen

[strange ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/perhaps-you-did-indeed-jinx-it-spock-ethan-peck-star-trek-strange-new-worlds-you-jinxed-it-gif-26046781

[rapid notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1077959226904821863/1164151318764601405/IMG_1253.png?ex=65422b67&is=652fb667&hm=ccc9a750f8920ba790a484b7a9103f1ae71f0159fe11f71ac6bb75d00c88db22&

Consider nerfed?

[oak ember]

That looks like one hell of a burst

Shadower is getting a buff in their burst skills

[shrewd timber]

why consider nerf ? isn’t it a buff ?

[stuck slate]

Do I understand correctly shadower got mostly less skill dmg per line, but more lines overall so a higher total dmg output? (My shad is still low so can't test stuff)

[shrewd timber]

seems like soo.. but yeah needa pro here to advise 🙏🏻

[dusk ledge]

It is a buff; our burst was lacking. With these buffs, it will increase our burst dmg. The lower skill dmg will only affect our clones, and our main dmg should still be easily capped. V2 and V1 are also increase to our burst as well as overall DPS.

[strange ivy]

That v1 "buff" tho..could have left it as it was

[dusk ledge]

Lmao lets hope there's no bug.

[strange ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/covid19-covid-coronavirus-corona-let-us-pray-gif-17105857

[dusk ledge]

I was also hoping for a decrease in v1 cd. In kmsm v1 is 30 seconds

[strange ivy]

yeah lydia told me a while ago, but that would be insane

[dusk ledge]

But oh well, this is an overall a nice increase to our DPS

I'm glad I only have to use v3 once in ghb

After this update

It's so difficult doing two v3s in one minute right now

[vapid rune]

what is the CD:BA ratio for shadower?

[strange ivy]

Kinda everything works, up from 4:4 but more CD always better.
Basically depends on your wallet and your servers supply

[vapid rune]

Thank you very much kind sir!

[glacial token]

Anyone here tested out if your v skills work properly ?

[strange ivy]

Working properly, no issues the entire lotus run

[glacial token]

@strange ivy Ty , did your dmg increase a lot ?

[strange ivy]

Cant say for sure bc I got 1m cap more compared to last week but looking at who I was running with it seemed like a decent upgrade yea

[vast wave]

Huge buff

50% increase of lines for v1, 40% increase for v2

V3 100% increase with double cd, but that means the cast time is eliminated for what wouldve been our second cast

[vast wave]

Has anyone tested how many lines we can do in training ground now?

[strange ivy]

not yet, wanted to try after ht

[serene cedar]

Anyone have news regards DB Vs Shad after last patch ?

[livid swan]

Not sure need to see lines and dmg output on training grounds

[dreamy badger]

1min - 7k lines
3min - 18k lines

[rapid notch]

Af120 or 160 better nodes drop rate guys

[strange ivy]

how did u end up with those numbers?

cant get past 6.6k and i did the same i did for the recordscore on the spreadsheet

[dreamy badger]

#mechanics

[strange ivy]

please share your secrets almighty shad god

[dreamy badger]

Unfortunately, I’m just a retired & washed up shad player from 2021 🥲

[vast wave]

I could only get 17.3k lines in 3mins

I too am lacking

[dreamy badger]

Pm-ed

[strange ivy]

#mechanics

[stuck slate]

What's the recommended hyper skills on shadower? Most info I find is really outdated (uses old skill names even?)

I mostly use cruel step for AB along with shadow flare and sudden raid.

If anyone got tips or can share their pre 200 abwheel, that's awesome along with hyper skills of course;)

[gloomy raven]

I’m also curious

[gloomy raven]

You’ll be fine with 3x cruel stab hypers and the first 2 points in meso explosion pre 200. After that you can swap cruel stab points for assassinate to focus on bossing

[topaz bronze]

Can pm me as well? Would like to know as well 😊

[stuck slate]

Better just post here if everyone want to get a PM about it 😂

[fast sun]

i did 17.8k lines when i tested

[quick veldt]

spill da beans

[vast wave]

Oh yeah i just recently did 17.8k as well

[glossy wraith]

I have not played my Shad in ages and it’s practically an Alt, how important are the V2 and V3 skills for their overall DPS?

[strange ivy]

V2 not as much, but gut better after latest patch
V3 very important burst

[glossy wraith]

Thank you, exactly what I needed to know

[vital bison]

can someone share what hyper skills to get

[rapid notch]

Seeking for advice from yall.

What can I boost?

[drifting geyser]

If ur caping so probably max dmg
Im guessing ur equipment is ancient lv 40 so it better to lvl it to 50 it will raise ur overall att
And boss att can be higher for better bossing dmg

Overall att and def*

[rapid notch]

Yes weapon is ancient lvl 42 inherit.

Hitting cap now

All are lvl 40 except top and btm

[strange ivy]

whatever you do, dont rush to chaos
you really wanna go 50 first

how far are you from getting the commander set?

[drifting geyser]

So u can buy magnificent souls and trying on weapon to raise ur max dmg
And @strange ivy mentioned something really important here

[strange ivy]

Don’t let this man waste his mesos on an inherit dagger bro

[drifting geyser]

I dont know anyone selling nacro dagger and didnt see one in ts for more then 3 months... If he can work on necro he should do it but if he cant thets the best way to move forward

He is already working on hes inherit weapon

[rapid notch]

My weapon currently is lvl 42. With piere mag max dmg soul

[rapid notch]

Necro better?

But getting to lvl 50 necro won't that be pain in the ass?

[drifting geyser]

Nacro is better ya ull need to put some work on it but lv 50 nacro will make u stronger

And when ull craft to higher equipment ull get abso weapon

[rapid notch]

So I should stop focus on inheriting my weapon?

[strange ivy]

lv.40 necro dagger will do the job perfectly fine for a really long time
im close to 21m cap with a 40 dagger and Assa&BE keep capping so..

[rapid notch]

21m cap? That's nuts

What's ways to boost max dmg besides soul

[strange ivy]

Exalt your gear past 40
Make it chaos at lv.50+
Getting Commander set

[rapid notch]

What do u think about inherit weapon?

[strange ivy]

you really want a necro, too good to miss out on with the newer fair trade version

[rapid notch]

BTW, what link skill do you guys use?

[stuck slate]

Probably all p.dmg, FD, BA, Exp ones. Both individual as stackable

[mental kindle]

Which V skill do yall think is best to prioritize? Mostly for Hmag/Ark/Lotus specifically

[strange ivy]

V3 for sure
that burst is >>

[iron ore]

shadower have bonus meso percentage?

[drifting geyser]

No bro...

Casting mesos coin for meso explosion is not changed the meso drop rate either

[iron ore]

so acquisition mean what? i dont really know the passive mean

@drifting geyser

[drifting geyser]

Mseo dagger passive?

[drifting geyser]

👆

[strange ivy]

This one?
Faster stacking = faster autoprocc = more dmg

[drifting geyser]

Btw apparently 'Gustav' (passive 3rd job) increase mesos by 5%, i cant check it right now

If u can confirm thet or ill check it later

[strange ivy]

That is correct, by 5%

[iron ore]

yes thats i mean

the passive

gustav

that pasive help in grind right? not for dagger meso spawn

[drifting geyser]

So yes 5% for meso drop

[vague ravine]

What’s the ideal AB skill set up?
Lvl 140

[slate seal]

Can shadowers still ab effectively without pets? I realised no clone and blood money there’s significant drop to dmg and hence farming speed

[drifting geyser]

on low sf (lets say 144), high equipment and a lot of pots maybe but but on high maps like Arcane maps u want to kill and move as fast as u can so u could peak up those nods

[slate seal]

So actually shadowers are not good farming mules without pets essentially…..

[drifting geyser]

Can anyone share their mobbing wheel, bossing wheel and Vmatrix layout? Thanks

[narrow egret]

Mobbing, Cruel Stab, Shadow Veil Sudden Raid, V1 skill pretty much all you need.

Bossing, you want Assasinate, Vskills and turn blood money on.
Thats about it

Vmatrix, you want your vSkills and boost nodes that improve Meso Explosion, Assassinate, and Shadow Veil as primary.
Secondary can be sudden raid, cruel stab, dark flare

[drifting geyser]

So whats the deferent between blood money on/off? Besides the boss att...

[narrow egret]

Makes Assasinate have more lines. Blood money also only attacks one mob when it is on. As opposed to multiple mobs when it is off. You want it on for bossing, off for farming

[drifting geyser]

Didn't notice hiting less when on, it always looks like he hits 2 mobs as it suppose to be, but ty i have changed it and ull check it

[strange ivy]

Spare your energy, not a big deal just keep BE on

[drifting geyser]

Ya i cant see any difference ill check it again, if we take out the BA there is no difference for shadower with high equipment

[vast wave]

personally i've noticed that blood money will hit multiple mobs for me in my AF map, so essentially no difference

[drifting geyser]

Thank you god!!!

Another Q, how im raising my lower line att(not crit line)? Phy att and acc?

[vast wave]

Sorry i don’t really understand the question…

If u’re talking about increasing non-critical lines then i think don’t bother. With fair trade around it’s a non-factor

But best stats to increase to increase overall output in my opinion is FD>PD>BA=CD>PA in that order

[drifting geyser]

Ya exactly what i ment...

Im already max fd, max dmg, pd, add and now ba

Ther is s no phy att on state

Then phy dmg and max dmg should be my priority on potentials lines and jewel emblem?

And BA

[mental kindle]

which v skill do you guys max?

sorry, im sure thats been asked already but i cant search this channel specifically

[strange ivy]

V3 > V1 > V2

[mental kindle]

as expected, thank you

[drifting geyser]

anyone can help me with a shadower farming skills for level 140+?

[strange ivy]

assasinate if you struggle to kill mobs
otherwise cruel stab, dark flare, sudden raid

[drifting geyser]

Thanks! Will use this!

[golden jasper]

👀 Pre-200 AB wheel ? 👀

[strange ivy]

same as above + Shadow Veil

[vast wave]

Finally did a perfect run in GD and hit 2b!! 37m MDC in case anyone’s wondering haha

[drifting geyser]

What?! how?! From where all thet 13m?

Definitely an idol

[slim jetty]

Passive hypers for a shadower that is strictly being used for ab?

[strange ivy]

if you dont struggle to kill with cruel stab, 3 on CB, ME FD and CD i'd say if you dont cap

[hazy pond]

Just turned level 60 shadower what active skills should i put on?

[drifting geyser]

lol get to lv 100 thro the new AB dungeon it will take about 30 min to 1 hr and then use crule stab, sudden ride, flare and meso explo (it also cast auto)

[covert whale]

I started playing the game a few weeks ago, and im planning to main Shadower. So, can any main shadower tell me how good is shadower in AB and bossing?? (Im a F2P, btw)

[keen badge]

Quietly good at ab for F2P. Strong and easy to survive. The skill Damage is not that good (not so fast to clear mobs)

Bossing is good ( easy to reach cap dam for main line). I think 7.5/10

[covert whale]

Soo overall, its a good char?

I tested it, and he was pretty fun to play imo

[hazy pond]

Are all weapons that has no E that are PBA weapons all equal in value of base attack? I dont know which dagger to get jaihin utgard briser halphas

[drifting geyser]

U main shadower?

Any way jaihin will help u with ur dmg so it the best weapon to choose but if u main shadower i recommend u to focus on buying jaihin emblem (CD/BA) coz u can buy +10% state raising scrolls to get it to pba state

[strange ivy]

or just ignore pba cause it ain’t 2021 and nobody cares

[marsh jetty]

for 200+ auto battling, are you using dark flare and trick blade? Also, which do you think is a better hyper, cruel stab FD or the extra line?

[vast wave]

yes to dark flare and yes to trickblade provided u aren't using assassinate. cruel stab extra line for sure

[marsh jetty]

Sweet. Thanks. Wasn’t sure if I should have changed my hypers to farm af90 better. Currently 2/3shotting with cruel stab

[vast wave]

Have u maxed ur boost nodes?

That helps alot

[marsh jetty]

not yet. It's my alt. cruel stab is around 40

[vast wave]

yeah once u max the node it's actually pretty efficient in killing mobs, especially with the extra line hyper (2 lines if u include shadow partner)
even at my current af380 i'm one shotting mobs with any skill, and i'm using full exp gears

[marsh jetty]

Thanks for the tips. I’m just trying to grind some mesos to open more vmatrix slots. lol

[gusty rapids]

how useful is venom burst? is it better to have a buff skill e.g. sharp eyes over venom burst?

[drifting geyser]

Sharp eye will help you with overall dmg while venom is improved skill u already have but better if u dont have slot for it i would suggest you to use sharp eyes

Either farming or bossing

Use it when you have space for it and the same for all thief vbuff

[hazy pond]

Just reached shadower hyper skills what to do here?

[strange ivy]

https://discordapp.com/channels/413046906638565395/1059991588643811388/1206003704902459392

[zenith kiln]

Any shadowers by chance has more than 4 BA emblems for end game content ?

[hazy pond]

What is CB ME FD and CD?

[hazy pond]

And which one to learn hyper skill

[strange ivy]

3x Cruel stab
Meso explosion Final dmg and crit dmg

[hazy pond]

How about hyper stats?

[strange ivy]

final dmg, max dmg, add dmg, pd, ba i'd say

[drifting geyser]

U guys think we gonna get v4 soon? Lats say 4 months?

Or next year?

[iron compass]

Somewhere around summer most likely

But nobody knows for sure

[drifting geyser]

Im wondering if to open or save all my nodes....

Need do lvl my descent skills

To*

[strange ivy]

Open everything above 200-300

If you really wanna get your decent nodes up

[drifting geyser]

Ohhhhh... That's the amount i need to lvl 1 decent or all 4?

Probably all 4 hu?

K ill save untill 250

[strange ivy]

for your v4

[drifting geyser]

Ohhh lol... I meant for sharp eye and al the rest

[strange ivy]

ignore those unless you 45m mdc whale whale

as long as your v's and trios are maxed u gucci
im saving up 200 for v4 and just selling the rest

[west zinc]

Are you sure we only need 300 nodestone to get enof shard to max v4?!

[zenith kiln]

Hmm what you guys say I should go for in emblem ratio - I have every option ATM
8/0 both ways, 6cd 2 ba
5 cd 3 ba or 4/4 🤔

[strange ivy]

The more cd the better is the majority I guess, but it’s just min-max at some point

[strange ivy]

Not sure but it will give you a very good start

[vast wave]

i think abt 700 to max a v skill iirc

[west zinc]

Sounds about right

[steep zinc]

Can anyone share your farming skill wheel for farming af60/90?

[drifting geyser]

Well all trio and v1-2 maxed isn't decent skills can help with the lower normal lines and capping shadow partner lines? We can use all thet phy att/dmg, reduce and boss att