Night Lord

[plucky sundial]

200% would be amazing
but even 160% would be a godsend

[tidal halo]

yeaaa our NL mark is quite pathetic here. Think it's way worse than our kmsm and it's not like we're hitting big damages like they are

I feel 75 charges is reasonable, though 100 charges wouldn't hurt.
However, the best thing they can do for us is to help us with the off-burst lines - for instance, reduce passive re-activation of throwblast charm from 15s > 5s. Don't think it'll make us OP but it'll greatly help our off-burst dpm

[fresh widget]

congrats!!

[plucky sundial]

I'm about 8mil from capping it with Shadow Walker, Last Resort and Goddess active

but I think abso weapon might let it cap

I'm abso-weaponless

[potent heath]

Coming soon!!! Trust It will!!!

[fresh widget]

coming soon bro!!

[plucky sundial]

I can feel the RNG coursing through me with your blessings!

[eternal panther]

Imagine throw blasting count as long as barrage duration

[hidden nebula]

This is so disgusting… wtf. Time to change exalt failure bonus to 10% each fail

[thin juniper]

Does anyone have a NL sc video that I can have a look at?

[potent heath]

https://youtu.be/u3dRcEnaYVc?si=K9uDNubrNjw5MXKI

[graceful salmon]

[thin juniper]

Didn’t catch the cap, how much was it?

Will it be more advisable to take the corner or move around like you did in the video?

[potent heath]

Cap is 63m.

Yea i did try to take the corner back then but it doesnt seem much different for me at least...its more like a preference or rather some satisfaction seeing him taking all the hits rather than the corner being partially blocked by buttons. Heheheheeh

I should try taking the corner again just to see if it makes more difference now

[thin juniper]

I see thanks alot! What’s the score that I should be doing for 50m cap currently?

[potent heath]

Not too sure buddy. I was having like 50m back then pre-v4. Wont be accurate as of now (post v4)

[thin juniper]

Can you pm me or show v matrix page as well?

[potent heath]

Its all maxed

[thin juniper]

Between sd and venom , where would the +5 go if I had to choose between the 2

[potent heath]

Sd = showdown?

Id believe ur asking for shadow walker vs venom?

If I were to choose it would be shadow walker first

[thin juniper]

Yup shadow walker, alright!

[normal vector]

anyone have video for a fast mulung clear time?

[potent heath]

This is the fastest one I've seen so far!!

[high igloo]

Don’t bother you aren’t passing the 3 amigos

[shy quest]

If anyone wondering how fast a NL can do in Mu Lung

[high igloo]

dang thats close, thats 1s higher than my fastest time

[potent heath]

Wth!!!!!! Got a video? That's serious quick!!!

[shy quest]

Looks like 1.11 mins is the limit atm for some classes. Not sure what’s the spread like for the rest.

[potent heath]

1.11 requires lvl60 weapon?

[shy quest]

Full Absolab 60

[eternal panther]

what cap

[shy quest]

67.4m

[finite mesa]

Nuts

[boreal frost]

Guys I’m looking for some advise, if I don’t have the max dmg soul in my weapond what’s is better phy atk% or max hp? In this case

[stray parrot]

Phy unless you need HP for ark or something

Can I get a vmat check? What skills should I be doubling down on? What skill should I swap out for DS4?

[graceful salmon]

Definitely swap ropelift out for DS4. As far as focus goes, iirc the recommendations would probably be omen/barrage/throwblasting? Ronald makes a good point that shurrikane is easier to cap so maxing it doesn’t need to be an immediate thing

[plucky sundial]

What Sheepey said
Just one thing to add, you probably want the 2 points you have in the top right to go to a vskill rather than boost node
and try to use the points to reach multiples of 5 on Shurrikane, Omen and Throw Blasting
every level adds skill dmg%
but every 5 levels give more duration on Shurrikane, cd reduction on Omen, and more charges on Throw Blasting

[finite mesa]

Here’s my bossing set that works for me, I usually replace decent combat orders with DS4 during ark and lotus etc.

Personally because I’m lower leveled I don’t use my farming trios (showdown, sudden raid, dark flare) during bossing. Just use a fodder level 10 bossing trio to replace the 10 v matrix points that I would have used on my bossing trios so I can put them on my v skills instead while freeing up an extra node slot for other v skills/decent skills/DS4. It’s a hassle to switch back and forth but it’s a game changer for me.

[unreal parrot]

hello. anyone can share NL ab skill wheel? thanks!

[granite whale]

showdown/omen/raid/170

[rigid herald]

how's NL post buff? I'm a shad and thinking to reroll

[tidal halo]

Shadower is most op out of all thieves.. unless you don't like the playstyle, no point rerolling

[fresh widget]

😆

[glad gust]

Is it rare to get the perfect trio on my V nodes? I think o definitely messed up post 200 😂. Got overwhelmed way too fast with all the new content

[sudden isle]

Need help please

What is better jewels

And hyper stats ?

[graceful salmon]

Yes you seem to have things backwards. You should max your boost nodes first, when you don’t have any equipped rn haha. Perfect trios for us are “rng”, rather than “rare”. I’d use the term rare for jobs like ark or whoever else has ridiculous amounts of boost nodes. It’s very doable and much cheaper than vskills. Grats on 200!

[graceful salmon]

Best choice is based on your flames, between exp, ba, pd scaling. Exp is the best for most players, since most aren’t spending much and exp accessories are free. Hyper stats can vary in order based on your budget, less spending would usually mean pushing MDC further back in the order.

FD> PD> MDC> ADI> BA

[glad gust]

Good to know… I’ll get boost nodes from here and I guess shoot for 2/3 on the RNG luck

[full crown]

Can anyone share nl's perfect trio?

[graceful salmon]

#1059991474357424148 message

You can also check the pins for FAQ

[graceful salmon]

Sending good luck vibes

[thin juniper]

New PR [ With BR and food buff ]

[graceful salmon]

Sheeeesh

[tidal halo]

wa true beast.. what are the stats of Will’s skills?

[eternal panther]

op

[normal vector]

When do you add will skill to your burst skill order? Omen > shuriken > will skill?

[thin juniper]

Omen > Will Skill > shuriken

[normal vector]

Why that order?

To get the summons out asap?

[thin juniper]

Yea I made use of omen to proc DS, So I can use will skill. Shuriken only lasts for a short duration thus it could be used for the last 5-6s of ds4

[normal vector]

U will need 50 hit count from omen to proc DS4 right?

[thin juniper]

if you time it with DS at Stage 6

Shouldn’t be an issue during the next activation

[hard flare]

Can anyone share with me perfect trio ?

[potent heath]

@thin juniper do you have a will NL POV?

[thin juniper]

Yes, but not my gameplay

[hollow onyx]

anybody knows whats the best cd/ba emblem ratio for NLs?

[cosmic kestrel]

Guys best place to farm for exp/drops/meso?
Lvl 204 NL with 7.5m dmg
194SF/120AF

[hollow onyx]

194 till 215

[hollow onyx]

^

[cosmic kestrel]

Ty!

[thin juniper]

No BR and food buff for this week ~

Didn’t manage to get a video as device had max memory capacity and unable to save the screen record

[eternal panther]

[potent heath]

That's really high

[graceful salmon]

[boreal frost]

5cd/4ba

Any advise on how to cap my mdc? my max damage right now is arround 9M one line

[hollow onyx]

u maxed ur boost nodes bro?

u should be capping with max boost nodes

and also theres clone lines that are hard capped

so don’t pay attention to its mdc

[boreal frost]

My perfect trios yes

Still need to max the big shuriken and omen

[graceful salmon]

Omen max will be a big dps boost, shurrikane caps pretty easily so just having that low level vskill is a big increase as well. However to help with overall capping, increasing your CD +50%, crit rate +1.2%, and then pumping in more PA/BA/PD from wherever you can will be a good start imo. Pumping CD and having 100% crit rate buffed (50% crit rate unbuffed) alone should tip you towards capping that mdc afaik

[boreal frost]

I have necro claw so don’t care to much on crit rate

Mmm so have to focus on arround 400% CD and something arround 140-150% on PD and PA

Thanks guys

[signal sorrel]

Noobie question, is night lord strong now??

[graceful salmon]

We are decent! Not the best, not bad. Our burst is good

[graceful salmon]

86 SHEEEEESH

[eternal panther]

[sweet sequoia]

Can anyone help explaining how many perfect trios NL has and which skills they should be?

[graceful salmon]

[chrome rampart]

when using showdown does it only proc night lords mark and the deals additional dmg hyper on the first target or each target

[chrome rampart]

Another question, is it intended that the quad stars extra hit hyper passive doesn’t affect barrages extra 3 “directions”

[graceful salmon]

Should be all targets hit

[graceful salmon]

Yes since the extra “cone” lines are not quad star lines, they are considered barrage lines

[chrome rampart]

Ty

[chrome rampart]

It looks like one target this is from zakum I used 2 showdowns then had a guild mate finish

[graceful salmon]

Oh I see. Hard to say since marks are a chance/proc that doesn’t always happen. Ty for the follow up

[chrome rampart]

Your welcome just trying to optimize for ghb

Which from the numbers I’m seeing if you have barrage maxed and are able to cap mark I would use qs on both bosses in ghb.

[graceful salmon]

Ahhh I see. Yea I would probably have more helpful and accurate insight if I did ghb but I don’t there were others in here discussing their multi vs single scores tho! They’re hard hitters too. Might be of use for you (cant remember the context sorry)

[chrome rampart]

I appreciate the help all the same ty

[brisk owl]

Anyone have a skilllwheel setup for ab? As welll as skill presets

[chrome rampart]

Leave additional function for shurikane off incase you weren’t sure

[inland yarrow]

Is there any update for what hyperskills to focus for us. I have been researching and haven't found anything to follow. Thanks in advance y'all

[graceful salmon]

if you're still leveling to 200 or are new 200 and still weak, i'd go 3 showdown 2 quad star
otherwise, 3 quad star 2 frailty curse

[hard flare]

Hi guys for Vskill which to prioritise to up first?

[eternal panther]

Barrage

[hard flare]

Hi bro can i have the sequence to pour exp into?

[grim escarp]

Hi yall 🙂 Looking for help on NL perfect trios, any up to date guide around? Found some but worried they might be out of date.

Thankss

[graceful salmon]

[eternal panther]

v6 op

[tidal halo]

wow, how did that do over 4x the damage of throw blast?! Despite this being a 7s burst as i can see from the chart 😶

Any link to the vid?

[austere spire]

Huge cooldown, most 6th job skills are like 300 second cd

[proper sorrel]

Anyone have skill build for NL? Not sure skill point should go to which skill , new to the game here

[hidden nebula]

Hexa skill is basically an ultimate and it’s a bind

Strongest skill is every classes kit post 6th job by miles

[broken pelican]

if they copy PC its will make huge burst at the start and dot for 1min on the whole map

[tidal halo]

Actually that's also where the inconsistency is at..
They want us to burst, yet gave us DoT. A bit of an identity crisis 😳

[normal vector]

Did kmsm get v4 mastery core skills too?

Or it’s just origin skill

[eternal panther]

seems like it

[broken pelican]

update 2 with the mark will be OP

[eternal panther]

Which mark

[broken pelican]

Assassins Mark

[eternal panther]

So it makes mark more damage and lines?

[normal vector]

wats 4 mastery cores?
Quad, Mark, showdown and dark flare?

[broken pelican]

on pc

[broken pelican]

atm quad and mark released on pc i think its will be showdown and sudden raid for the last 2

thats the normal one. So 5% higher chance and alot more dmg %

[normal vector]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnVnKA6AUq8&t=90s

according to this guy...

dark flare, showdown, darkness shuriken? sudden raid and four seasons

[broken pelican]

nice thx Dark flair, Sudden, Showdown and fourseasson.

[normal vector]

so thats 6 in total? but 4 slots max?

for mastery core

[broken pelican]

they will make 2 per slot

like this

[normal vector]

oh ok

[grim thorn]

New NL passive skill

New Four season look

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1016036018316648509/1315932585456566282/four-seasons-vi-effect-rampant.gif?ex=675dd279&is=675c80f9&hm=bfa0654812921f15b00f9b46a4081fb03bddd4ec4a0e5ed532a927e56c32575b&

[eternal panther]

Sick

[tidal halo]

wow damn 🔥!
Just hope the skill delay doesn't look as bad as how it feels from the animation

[broken pelican]

its passive skill

[tidal halo]

wait… isn’t that the new Four Seasons animation?

[broken pelican]

oh my bad readed wrong

[shell plaza]

anyone can advice on the skill wheel for NL level 179 (before 200)? Thank you very much

[tidal halo]

NL is the easiest 1 button class.
Just put showdown. Sudden raid if it doesn't cause you death.
Dark sight on autopet to save pots. Easy as that - nothing else required.

[shell plaza]

i see, just wanna know does quad star or showdown does more damage?

showdown even for boss?

[tidal halo]

Quad star for single target boss.
Above skillwheel I suggested is for auto battle

[shell plaza]

got it! thank you very much

[normal vector]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI6MYjjOf-c

6th job kmsm anyone can translate?

[thin juniper]

Would like to source different opinions or views on certain ideas as testing has given me doubts thus far:

1. if 4 season is good to be used in SC/ boss contents

2. bossing with only 2 trios ( assassin mark, quad , 4seasons or sudden raid?)

OR

4 trios 6 skills ( assassin mark, quad, 4 seasons, sudden raid, dark flare, curse ) , if so, does flare/curse/ sudden raid/4 seasons needs to be lvl60 to see the true highest dmg?

Currently lvl251 NL with 108m cap

[potent heath]

I use all except flare and frailty curse

4season during quad down time

Sudden raid all the time for dark sight cool down purpose and it's a fast cast.

For those skills yes max lvl will see true potential as it has IED increased at max too!

For bossing I'd look for more utility vs outright dps so the 4season n sudden raid is in my skill rotations (useful for gloom/lotus P1/lucid or whichever that has pesky mobs ard)

Currently lvl254 with 107m cap.

So perhaps you can do 2 presets

QS down time - QS, S.RAID, Venom Burst (by preference) 4 season

QS up time - QS, VB, S.Raid

[thin juniper]

4 season during omen down time you mean?

Then we are pretty much similar in stats, how much are you doing in sc currently ?

Would like to take a look at your bossing Vmatrix as well, can either share here or via pm!

[tidal halo]

Insane top tier NLs. Do you guys still notice yourself getting gapped by Shadowers/DBs in bosses?
I still find our off-burst dps/dpm quite miserable

[potent heath]

Other people use 4Season during barrage couldown. I personally don't cause too lazy to adjust but it does give more dps that way.

As for SC iirc I'm doing 107xxx. Didn't use guild buff and BR as I'm that stingy 😅😅😅

[potent heath]

Yups....shadower and DBs but the gap is closer now as compared to before. For bosses that runs everywhere we have our omen to help us maintain a consistent dps but since the dmg output is very DoT style...we do lose out agro to alot of thieves but the dpm is still quite on par...with a lil disadvantage that's all

[eternal panther]

Wonder if 6th job is way stronger

[tidal halo]

I don't think so. It creates a bit of an identity crisis by giving dpm on our burst

[thin juniper]

If comparing almost same stats and what not, shadower comes in first place for now, followed by NL then DB

[tidal halo]

Makes sense.. quite consistent with what I'm observing also

[potent heath]

Ahahahaha I'm still getting out dps by this db in my team that claims to be the same stats as me....hmmmphhh......either I'm not doing my best or someone is being dishonest. Heehhehe...but oh well just marginal.

@thin juniper here's the vmatrix page for my bossing. I'd swap out arachnid for hyperbody during will but of no importance just don't wanna leave it empty that's all

[thin juniper]

Same stats probs best ref to MDC and IED as well, and also depending on what boss. In Damien I can lose to 80m dk as well even with a huge gap of 20+m MDC , will only see the results in prolly Will type which takes 10 mins at least

[thin juniper]

Thank you! Looks slightly different from mine as I only use 4 trios, perhaps should find time to adjust them

[tidal halo]

hmm... is the showdown V skill boost necessary?
How do you utilise it during bossing?

[potent heath]

It's not necessary if you have a perfect trio in that sense. I kinda effed it up quite early in game and pretty much lazy to change it after as it will involve quite alot of change. Not just that few trios. Again! Due to my laziness and my sloppiness I'm living with it.

As of now I need to boost it so that my QS gets lvl60

[potent heath]

Damien is kinda hard to gauge dps/dpm if we're that closely placed in terms of ied and mdc. Everytime we stand on ball duty it decreases so much of output.

Today you get more tmw I get more kinda thing. Very dependant on luck.

These days with the recent update for IED and massive MDC increase. Most things became too easy and I kinda became very complacent n wasn't serious abt them details as much as previously

[normal vector]

Fuuma Shuriken is V2?

ok yea i think it is

[potent heath]

Yea looks like it

[normal vector]

5320 lines

looks like 4 min CD and 30sec duration

[thin juniper]

They need to buff assassin mark badly, back when 72m was able to cap mark with ease but at 110m the calculations just doesn’t tele and hit cap at all. Just from mark alone can easily lose about 5% of DPM

[tidal halo]

This should be fedback many many many times haha. And increase hit counts while they're at it too haha

[normal vector]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InOLXS8_3YM

almost insta kill lotus+damien with origin skill

[tight topaz]

bonus pots are dropping soon. get ready to roll for more pdi/ cd

[tidal halo]

lmao proof that kmsm is op and broken

[eternal panther]

looks nutty

[normal vector]

do we need to stamp it for additional line

[tidal halo]

don't quite remember details on when it's coming. Did they say when it hits our servers?

[tight topaz]

Not sure how it works, but I think the stamps apply

[tight topaz]

In Feb 2025

[normal vector]

any idea what skill this is under the X button?

[tidal halo]

I think it's just the upgraded Quad star. Cuz every X number of hits, it'll trigger some additional lines which I think they termed as 'lightning hits' or smth

[normal vector]

I see

[broken pelican]

Quad 3 normal hits one special hit. At least on the PC its like this

[ornate mist]

Oh wew I'm playing NL now @graceful salmon

[thin juniper]

You’re too free….

[ornate mist]

Hai hao la......

[graceful salmon]

I’m sorry to hear that…LOL jk welcome!

[ornate mist]

teach me da secrets

[rancid topaz]

Hey guys, which skill should I max next? V1, V2, or V3.I hope for your help, thank you.

[normal vector]

v1

[still fossil]

How do y’all incorporate venum burst into skill presets

Can one of you pro NLs post preset page

This is mine currently

[ornate mist]

whats the skill rotation?

v4 -> v123 -> hyper/sudden raid/venom burst -> quad ?

[eternal panther]

[still fossil]

Pretty much. Except I use four seasons with quad. And only sudden raid when I’m trying to cool down dark sight. Is venum burst suppose to be apart of my burst uptime or do I use it during downtime?

[eternal panther]

Heard venom not worth it

[ornate mist]

I only saw if max then worth it else no

[eternal panther]

Even maxed it’s a ok damage increase

[still fossil]

Nvm, I tried it, and it was junk

[eternal panther]

is it worth to get Will Skill for training or nah?

[tight topaz]

worth

[eternal panther]

Even if it’s level 1

[tight topaz]

u get nodes from events

[eternal panther]

Yeah the green nodes

[tidal halo]

Rejoice my brethrens! Woot woot!

[static ether]

i wan mtk 😦

[tidal halo]

Same HAHAHA but we take wtv we can get first

[static ether]

agreed 😄

[normal vector]

which looks best

no NW get this too..?

[tidal halo]

haha NW should have the same as well.. I'm personally not a fan of any of them in particular but I'm probably going with paper plane and/or water balloon.

Water balloon's sound effect can be quite asmr

but like brother Sundays above, I'm also a fan of MTK haha so I will look forward to the day they bring a similar skin over

[normal vector]

any idea whens the yellow and red one represent?

[tidal halo]

The red one should be hearts. Yellow one seems like some sort of “blast” thingy

[normal vector]

wonder if it'll cost crystal to change the skin

[tidal halo]

I'm curious about this too tbh...
Our old bright ilbi thingy wasn't too shaby but not sure why they changed it into subis

[fringe glacier]

I want steelies

[normal vector]

Can throw poopoo now

[tidal halo]

The options available are so sad 🥲 nothing cool like MTK

[cosmic kestrel]

Sweet ! Came here to ask,
Anyone have gifs/videos of all (or some 😅) of the throwing stars?

Got more crystals and want to buy one for my nl

[normal vector]

They have previews in the cash shop

[tidal halo]

Don’t think we can preview it per se. Doesn’t really show.
But have tried and they’re pretty tragic. Nothing worth buying 🥲

[normal vector]

I liked the water balloon

[static ether]

i got the water balloon too. maybe the planes but the rest doesnt really interest me

[cosmic kestrel]

Would love some suggestions to improve dmg\overall value in bosses? 😅
Boss Vmatrix with what I thought to be a perfect trio... (Quadstar/AssassinsMark/FourSeason) and the other 2 are just leftovers i leveled to boost quadstar dmg till I get perfect trios.
Then I read the pins here and now I'm tending to go with just 2 Trios of (Quad/Showdown/AssassinMark) .. honestly just a bit confsued haha would appreciate any help

• Let me know if any1 care to look at my gear as well, I will add main gear pics to have rough estimation where I'm at.. I think i should be pretty solid but maybe I'm way off 🤷🏽‍♂️
• FOG view of lvl 200 boss no def no buffs DPS

Fog own opinion:
I think of removing Dark flare from bossing as it seems to do so little dmg and probably wastes me another second or so?
I use sudden raid only to reduce cooldown of hid-sight
I execute combo of "Throw blasting, TSBarrage, Maple world goddess blessing, Shadow walker"
Then Put a stationary Shurrikane on boss, activates Dark lord omen
Then just spam attack: skill combo of "QD QD QD 4S"

Why did it attach the images like this instead of showing the thumbnail O.o

[grim escarp]

LF > Recommandations 🙂

I’m kind of wasting place at the moment. Should I get two of the perfect trios lvl 25 and put them in a lvl 5 spot? And add a Showdown, sudden raid, dark flare node? Or it would be a weird mix of bossing/mobbing grid?

Also I have no clue what spell to add in my Matrix, I could buy another slot but I dont because I wouldn’t know what to use it for..

Thanks in advance 🙏

[eternal panther]

op

[iron pond]

@grim escarp @cosmic kestrel

If you’re limited on space you can have two active trio at a time (one for bossing and one for farming)

Four season is the most useless skill, don’t use it

Besides your trio, your most important vskill is barrage and the explosion skill, max those asap

[grim escarp]

you dont use four seasons in your rotation 😮

[iron pond]

Nope

[grim escarp]

dang that's good news

[normal vector]

The animation cast time is slow

Not as smooth as sudden raid

[cosmic kestrel]

Correct, 4Seasons take like a 2 seconds off my Quadstar burst

Considering juat taking him out of the bosses preset
But then I need to readjust my vmatrix as its lvl 60 🤮

[eternal panther]

Damn so remove 4 season from bossing and training then

[iron pond]

How do you guys feel about the green poison skill?

I see a lot of NL use it but I personally don’t

[normal vector]

i use it on my preset

[cosmic kestrel]

@normal vector Can you share your presets for bossing/mobbing?
😄

[thin juniper]

I second that, previously I thought it wasn’t as good as well due to the fact that it has slow casting delay, but using it in SC has significant difference. It varies for a good 8-10k difference at least.

[eternal panther]

Damn that much difference

[red estuary]

What hyper stat sequence yall go first for NL?

[tidal halo]

If you can cap, MDC > ADI/FD > PD

[red estuary]

If cannot cap?

[iron pond]

If you can hit your maximum damage ceiling

[red estuary]

Yeah what if cannot cap, then the hyper stat sequence would be?

[graceful salmon]

Then put MDC behind the others that were listed to help you cap before adding more MDC

[hushed dagger]

which v skill to max out 1st

[iron pond]

Barrage and explosion

[cosmic kestrel]

Any specific order recommended for alts to open? For bonuses %'

[red estuary]

NL or NW better?

[iron pond]

I think NL but not by much

[normal vector]

Is it just me or is the marks not capping like the other skills?

We need buff on assassins mark?

🤔

Even 4 seasons is capping

[iron pond]

I dont think the AM never cap, a lot of our tick dmg never cap

[tidal halo]

Would be good with a buff on the damage % as well as hit counts. Or adding 1-2 more marks will be good.
I find our off-burst a bit miserable

[iron pond]

we are very burst dependent

[tidal halo]

yeah.. however, our burst cannot gap enough and make up for the off-burst.
I wonder if it's better to be able to hit consistently rather than have a short burst

[cosmic kestrel]

Id prefer hit constently..
As if you mess up by accident the bursy is pretty much half way done till you recover

Easier to maintain high dps if consistent 🤷🏽‍♂️

[maiden timber]

Do the throwing stars in crystal store work for normal attack only?

[south juniper]

could anyone share your gloom or archon or damien BA line counts, is throwing blast suppose to be the most dmg? or quad stars

[south juniper]

tyty! this is gloom right?

[iron pond]

I did all but when it compared to gloom it’s nearly the same

[south juniper]

this is my friend's gloom run, are his lines okay? or considered low, he is 48m cap but doing the same dmg as a 40m

[iron pond]

I really can’t tell unless the gameplay

[south juniper]

ill try to get a recording from him, do you have any videos or recommendations to follow?

[iron pond]

Oh sorry this one is for archon

Please keep in mind I suck a bursting for this boss, I think once I have this down then the analysis will look like gloom

[iron pond]

Just to burst when the eye open and to survive

If he haven’t so, max out omen, quad, and burst

[south juniper]

He maxed out everything, his dmg Is subpar not only for gloom but archon Damien lotus as well

[iron pond]

Unless he’s dying a lot then idk. I’d have to watch to really understand

[south juniper]

ill update once i have his video next week

[raw frigate]

avg dmg on throw blasting should be same as or greater then quad star, it looks like he's not strong enough to cap, is he full buffing?

[south juniper]

Yeah he should be full buffing, not sure why his dmg is like that too

Unless fair trade was off in the middle of the fight

[graceful salmon]

That’s possible. Maybe they aren’t aware that phase changes in a fight turns off fair trade, needs to be turned on again

[raw frigate]

What’s his best lotus chart looking like?

[south juniper]

i think lotus is like 3-4mins not a good gauge of dmg/lines tho but i can ask if you need

[iron pond]

Best bet have him record a video of next run and we can fully give our opinion

[south juniper]

Will be sending one in a few hours

[south juniper]

https://youtu.be/seHLkCoClq8

This is his gloom pov with the BA here

[iron pond]

@south juniper can you show me his skill preset again?

I think he should be doing around 1.5T minimum with his dps. He could consolidate how he has his burst buffs and quad star presets

[south juniper]

yeah im the phantom doing 1.6 at 39.5m mdc, he is at 48m currentlly

[south juniper]

let me ask from him ill send in awhile

[iron pond]

Here’s mine

He doesn’t need to use four seasons, none of the other NL uses it

[south juniper]

whoa is type A enough? haha without the up jump and dash skill

alright ill let him know

[iron pond]

I make it work

[south juniper]

but im curious why the throwing blast lines are 17m min tho, is that from the passive?

[iron pond]

Yeah I been wondering that and the throwing blast should do massive dmg

[south juniper]

how are the line counts tho? are they okay? from what i see some bursts were not with ds4 which could be one of the places where he can improve dmg from.. but im not sure about line counts

[iron pond]

For gloom I’d switch out my sudden raid slot for blink

[south juniper]

sudden raid is also useless right in terms of dmg

or are they still okay to use

[iron pond]

Dark phase he needs to blink and dark sight after, which he is he doing. Otherwise he should be staying on the move

I don’t remember but i think l you can use cure all for those stuns

[south juniper]

yeahh you can, thats also one area of improvement

[iron pond]

You need sudden raid to reduce the cooldown for darksight so put it on with quad star

[south juniper]

ahhh alright!

[iron pond]

Yeah he’s loosing dps time during those stuns

I’m not sure if he needs the green poison skills, I know other NL uses it but I personally don’t

[south juniper]

im using it on my phantom, around 2-3% of my total dmg but im not sure if its better than putting a decent skill

[iron pond]

I have 3 quick and easy presets that lets me cast and do dmg. He has a lot which cost dps time

I see him casting and dying to the 1 hit ko

Keep it quick and simple

[south juniper]

yeahh

thanks for the tips man, hopefully with the new skill wheel and better gameplay he will be able to do good dmg as well

[iron pond]

Also optional, I like to use omen either during the eye phase or the dark phase

Using during dark phase might cost dps time

[south juniper]

yeahh around 10 sec with omen hitting mobs instead of the boss, but i think its still good

[visual oasis]

Elllo, uhh for NL trio consists of, four season, quad and assassins mark?

[normal vector]

Yes

[graceful salmon]

Hi all, I haven’t been keeping up with some of the recent changes so if yall catch wind of some important NL information then feel free to ping or dm me and I’ll make sure that the pins for us are sorted! #BuffNL

[proud holly]

Perfect trio consist of showdown, quad, and assassin's mark

[visual oasis]

Shouldnt showdown, flare and raid be for farming? Showdown aoe < quad single bossing

Or yall tested and showdown>quad ?

[proud holly]

You can make a secondary trio with fourseason, flare and raid

[proud holly]

But the perfect should be show, quad and assassin's mark

[eternal panther]

yea

[visual oasis]

Im guessing for hyper 3 quad and 2 in show? Or in frailty o.o

Appreciate the help

[proud holly]

I'm talking about your nodes your perfect trio nodes.

[proud holly]

For hyper yes you want the 3 quad. And then depending on your build some people do strictly bossing. Which would be 3 quad and frailty nothing on showdown.

[visual oasis]

Yea, got it. Just wondering if i needed to re-do my hyper xD

Hoping 1k nodes will get me atleast 2/4 trio

[proud holly]

You will be good. The secondary trio is really not necessary unless you have them and have the space for it. Just worry about getting the perfect showdown, quad, and assassin's mark.

[tawny inlet]

Is this the perfect trio? I’m level 199 about to hit 200! I can’t find any good guides from MSM that tell me :(((

[high igloo]

just tell him to use v1 the moment the boss starts, not worth holding out on it and use v4 when the eye opens

he should be top dps especially in gloom

[south juniper]

thanks for this tip! ill let him know

[cursive adder]

following up on this, can anyone show the perfect trios for AB vs Bossing and skill wheels for both too?

[high igloo]

most of the time four seasons isnt really used in bossing because of the animation delay but your trios can look like this:

Bossing -> Quadstar, Assassins Mark, and Sudden Raid or Four seasons

Training -> Sudden Raid, Showndown, and Anything else

personally i dont use four seasons in bossing unless v1 is down and i dont use dark flare in ab because its basically useless. the time it takes you to cast it, you might as well have just casted 1 showdown and clear the mob in the area you place it down

[tawny inlet]

Ty

[stray parrot]

Can I get some insights on where to go with bossing vmat from here? Not sure which skill node to max next, or if decent/edra skills are optimal selections (assuming no overlap in party, otherwise sub one out for hyper body)

[grim thorn]

v2 and v3 for more IED

[stray parrot]

Thx - those being shuk and omen?

[graceful salmon]

@tawny inlet @cursive adder

[tawny inlet]

What does v1 v2 etc actually means? Lmao

[tawny inlet]

Trio is quad star, assassin mark and fourth season right?

[graceful salmon]

It’s a reference to the release order. V1 was the first pair of V-Skills released, job specific (NL) was barrage and class specific (thief) was…venom burst? I can’t 100% remember the thief V1 tbh but yeah that’s the basics

[tawny inlet]

Goddam complicated, I need to watch a guide for this one lol

But Ty for explaining

[graceful salmon]

I think this is how it goes afaik. Someone correct me if I’m wrong

[stray parrot]

Yeah. I dropped 4 season from my skill wheel and replaced it with sudden raid for the ds cooldown benefit. Will reroll the trio when I get correct nodes, but assuming marginal benefit

[tawny inlet]

Yes make sense

I’ll try to farm those nodes too

[tawny inlet]

Tysm lol where do you all find these guides.. I’m a sucker

[graceful salmon]

Snapped a quick ss from maple wiki and just threw some text on it from memory haha. A lot of the quality (if not all) content/guides/info for MSM is from this discord server (or popular community servers) or Reddit haha. Threesnailsmsm website is known to have good info too! Otherwise it’s kinda hard to find good websites of info for this game. Side note on finding guides: I’d steer clear of MapleStory M Tips YT channel, historically unreliable and unwilling to correct false or misleading info on there when pointed out. We’ve had some issues spill over into this server with the creator of that channel and other users

Hope that helps! :)

[iron pond]

Pick up decent hyper body skill

[proud holly]

Maybe I was wrong the whole time but I thought the perfect trio was quad, assassins mark, showdown. And the secondary if wanted four season, dark flare, sudden raid.

But perfect trio primary quad, showdown and assassin's mark.

[iron pond]

It’s nice to have all 6 six but early 200 you are limited on space.

[proud holly]

Yeah but i thought primary you make quad, showdown and assassin's.

[eternal panther]

yea

[visual oasis]

So trio is sudden raid > 4 season for bossing?

I just max my nodes :/ riiip

[iron pond]

Yes, you’re in the same shoes as me

I just max all 6 skills (4 sets of trios)

If you want, you can find another trio with the same first skill and transfer it over

@visual oasis

[visual oasis]

Ya, just an hassle since i woulda gotten from my nodes opening :/ but isnt a huge huge lost

Btw whats ds cooldown mean?

[visual oasis]

Hol up, is this for bossing? Why you got 4 trio slots occupied

[iron pond]

I do all 4 so I don’t deal with the hassle of switching

It was my early mistake I just stuck with

[dusk leaf]

Could you help me with the order of buff skills for bossing (or order of preset)? Or doesn’t matter really?
I only spam all the skills at the beginning and I think my skill preset is bad

Or maybe recommend me a video or guide for nl bossing

[dusk leaf]

I saw this one but confuses me, don’t you use bleed dart, epic adventure, last resort, maple blessing, etc?

[iron pond]

It’s all on my pets

[iron pond]

It does matter, our dps has high and low intervals. I set my burst the way it works for me

[tawny inlet]

Someone said this was the perfect trio

Can everyone like share their skill wheel? lol idk what to do

And I’m going to sell everything on my DA and fund my NL 🙂 I made my choice

[visual oasis]

This is what i have, just started a week ago. But i keep seeing that sudden raid > 4 season cuz of ds cd (idk what ‘ds cooldown’ is tho)

[tawny inlet]

I think damage per second (not sure) because of the delay / time it cost to cast the spell.

[normal vector]

lol

[visual oasis]

Trio; sudden, quad, assassin mark

[visual oasis]

Lowkey feel like ab trio - show, mark/flare, sudden @tawny inlet

[tawny inlet]

Oh dam I got assassin, quad and Death Star… is that also fine? Instead of sudden raid.

For AB I have show, flare and sudden

[visual oasis]

Death star/4 season apparently useless, i havent done any testing yet

[visual oasis]

High af maps, the delay from flare could get u killed. I just also have it, but i also got different trio - assassin mark, show and sudden

[proud holly]

those are the correct perfect trios. of course some people will differe from it kind of personal taste

but yeah those are the trios you need.

death star/4 season is a waste of time space lol

[tawny inlet]

I think I had those but I exctracted them LMAO

I will try to farm those again then

[tawny inlet]

Ye I will try get different oncr

Btw can I ask one more thing

Should I had gotten this necro claw?

For 17bil.. but I think I’m to late now. And now I’m having a really really hard time choosing between these.. too

Could anyone help me making a better decision? (Actually I want high SF to farm in higher levels.. but I also want a necro to perform)

Im stuck at SF 168

[proud holly]

necro is the way to go

[tawny inlet]

Allright then I’ll just wait until I see a reasonable one

Ty

Or buy the raven and try to necro it myself?

[proud holly]

get your alts to do cdd also

the famous army lol

[tawny inlet]

What is cdd?

[proud holly]

chaos daily dungeon where you get the stones for trying necro

[tawny inlet]

But it’s not transferable right? Should I use a scissors then

[graceful salmon]

No that method is only viable on tradable equips. It can’t have been equipped in the past and has to have been fused into an emblem for it to be tradable. That’s how you pass it around to your cdd farming alts thru storage. You don’t want to be cutting an equip each time for this process. You’ll more likely brick the equip and/or devalue it than successfully necro it

[proud holly]

Yeah you need to have a tradeable equipment

[iron pond]

CDD alts is still somewhat useful but it’s being phased out by Pharaoh treasure

[proud holly]

Well pharaoh treasure you can only have 60 weekly. Cdd if you have at least 5 characters is way better.

[cursive adder]

So is the only way to make a necro project (Tradable mythic emblem) to fuse 2 legendaries & pray or buy a tradable mythic, put a emblem scroll on it and pray?

[graceful salmon]

Praying, yes

Aside from those 2, I’m told that the very rare occasion of getting emblemed mythics during treasure box events are also in a tradable state

[cursive adder]

gotcha, I'm gonna start attending church then XD

[graceful salmon]

Min-maxing rng

[iron pond]

CDD alts are only useful when the item is transferable

[tawny inlet]

Is it always transferable after buying in TS? I bought a weapon and I didn’t wore it yet because I wanted to use the exalt stone from my event erel. But I couldn’t trade it? Is this possible

[iron pond]

Then it only has 1 trade and wasn’t transferable

You can tell by the 3 circle icon top right of the equipment, one of them is the trade icon. Non tradeable, 1 trade, and transferable

[normal vector]

Night lord buffs/nerf coming?

[iron pond]

We don’t know yet, only for certain is more MDC

[modest steeple]

Isit okay to buy RA eqs on TS for 449m to enhance. A2S, SF 168 currently

[tidal halo]

not too sure.. but nl is quite mid overall, so I dont think it'll be a nerf? Hoping they buff the number of hit counts or NL mark counts. Or
wtv else can benefit from hit counts tbh.
Does anyone have a compilation of the changes up till 6th job on kmsm? May be able to project our changes

[eternal panther]

need more buffs

[normal vector]

Hopefully buff NLM

[iron pond]

We need our iframe restored to its former glory

[normal vector]

its been so long, forgot what former glory even look like

[iron pond]

52 sec of iframe every min

It was glorious

[restive lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/lemon-yum-tasty-yummy-lick-gif-9155110651215878083

[normal vector]

Rip, first look at patch notes looks like nerfs

Quad

[tidal halo]

guess we got nerfed. no idea why they're continuing to nerf despite not giving hit counts since the start of the game

Were we even able to cap with the previous 200%+ skill dmg? In terms of damage calculator...

[normal vector]

In the short term, this adjustment process means that some skills with high damage efficiency will be temporarily less efficient. However, the change should also be compensated for by the buffs to other skills and the Max DMG expansion.

[iron pond]

How I’m reading this is that four season has become even more useless

And that quad star as mention by Suppp is nerf

Meaning that during bossing, we’ll have very high peaks and very low lows

But nothing is for certain yet until we try out the new stat change

[tidal halo]

The low is alr so low during our off burst. The burst is unable to make up for the lows cuz of the 2min cd duration

But I guess at least our NL mark can hit a bit closer to mdc 🤷‍♂️
Gotta look on the bright side given that we're still nexon's hated child

[iron pond]

We will endure

I have hope

[normal vector]

Are u referring to goddess blessing buff that lets our mark hit closer to Mdc?

[tidal halo]

No, assassin's mark got a 60% skill damage buff. So hopefully that redeems us from the other skill losses.
The 4 seasons nerf was the one that was quite surprising

[iron pond]

I really think that the people these decisions don’t play these classes

[tidal halo]

We also never know what kind of behind-the-scene stats they use to determine all these.
Hopefully we can still cap with mdc.
As of now, post patch QS skill % is going to be ?lower than pala's blast or smth. And they've got way higher hit counts than our 4 lines since the beginning of Maple

[normal vector]

Meanwhile our counter part class, NW received a lot of passive buffs

[tidal halo]

yeaaaaa.. quint star with higher skill dmg%. Despite having more clones as well

Really hoping the assasin Mark's 60% skill dmg increase saves us.
Cuz even bleed dart is nerfed. And bleed dart isn't even that good in the first place

[normal vector]

What’s paladin blast skill %?

We’re at 240 now 🥲

[iron pond]

Yeah….

They’re slowly forcing us towards bpot

[iron pond]

Well, I looking forward to the discussion here after update

[harsh igloo]

Guys

Our upgrade is amazing

[tidal halo]

Hmm guys I realised smth. Have they been gaslighting us? Assassin's mark is not 100% currently.
Its only 50%. So if theyre bringing it to 160%, that should be easier to cap?

[harsh igloo]

Assassin mark is 100 going to 160

Not 50

V4 burst 300 to 360

10% boost to omen

Seems like great update

Quad easy to cap

Be happy

[harsh igloo]

50% is for 2nd job or something

[tidal halo]

Mark is actually at 50% currently (but they recorded it as 100% in patch notes). I just did some daily boss and checked my skills

NL mark is the one that adds 100% to Assassin's mark

[iron pond]

Why they put 100% if it’s currently 50%? Is that an error on their part? If so I’m not surprised

[harsh igloo]

Dude

Wow I’m shocked

U really say it’s 50%

That’s crazy

100%

[tidal halo]

Yeah its either their error.. or they thought they've been giving us 100% but had actually been giving us 50%

[harsh igloo]

No

They give 100

At 2nd job it’s 50

[tidal halo]

Nono, read the patch notes.
Its adjustments made for Assassin's mark. Not NL mark

[harsh igloo]

This skill

[iron pond]

Good find Tats

[harsh igloo]

Upgrade assassin mark to 100% from 50

[iron pond]

Feel like you always need to confirm Nexon’s number and math

[harsh igloo]

It’s not a new skill

This skill is upgrade to the base assassin mark

But it’s not a skill by itself

That’s how skills upgrades work on higher jobs

That’s weird nexon math

It’s actually confusing

But that’s how it works

[tidal halo]

It's different depending on what they say:

1. If the changes is Assasin's mark 50% -> 160% (add NL Mark's increase = 260% total)
2. If the patch is on NL mark 100 -> 160% (total would just be 210%)

[normal vector]

[harsh igloo]

No lemme explain
Assassin mark is 50%
At 4th job assassin mark is upgraded to 100% instead of 50%
Now it will be total 160%

[iron pond]

That’s confusing

[harsh igloo]

160% is the final total instead of 100%

[normal vector]

Does that justify 240% quad

[harsh igloo]

Yeah they boost other stats easy to cap it

I almost cap no buffs

[tidal halo]

4th job's mark is called NL mark.
The description says "additional damage increase 100%". I was under the impression its basically 100% + 50% (from assassin's mark)

[iron pond]

Wonder what does that mean when we are off our burst? Are we doing more dps during our downtime?

[tidal halo]

doubt so, cuz they made the burst burst-ier

[harsh igloo]

Yeah it’s understandable

[iron pond]

Ok, just hope the burst keep us ahead while we’re on cooldown

[harsh igloo]

But it’s effect on top of each other

Easy to cap

No buffs

@iron pond @tidal halo @normal vector

Look

[iron pond]

We can confirm after update

So Nexon number is correct?

[tidal halo]

Good reference here. Can you keep things constant and re-check post-patch tmr as well?

[normal vector]

Aren’t we alrdy capping with the V4 and V2 buffs

[iron pond]

I can cap easily at 60m mdc currently, with this update I’ll be around 80m

Idk about higher MDC at 90m+

[tidal halo]

omg Facebook is hilarious. quite a number of ppl clearly frustrated with NL's nerf

[harsh igloo]

Bro

I have 110m cap

Easy cap

[iron pond]

Is this with the new MDC?

[harsh igloo]

Yes

40% boss ignore

But I just attacked 10 seconds for reference

[iron pond]

Those are some nice gains

[harsh igloo]

Well I finished my gear already

[normal vector]

Seems like they want us to invest into bpot to make up for the loss

[iron pond]

I will catch up in 2 yrs

[proud holly]

What is dark serenity? It looks like barrage

But i don't have that

[normal vector]

Lvl 100 buff

[proud holly]

Yeah I just found it never pay attention since it was passive

But i don't like what i see on the update

[normal vector]

I think Hero’s had to worse than us

[high igloo]

Idk why it’s so difficult to understand, the current scenario is #1, we currently have 160% skill dmg (50% from assassins mark + 100% from nl mark) and putting our dmg in the dmg calculator can prove that skill dmg is at 160%

The new update is changing the 100% from nl mark to 160%, so now we will have 50%+160%.

The assassins mark is additional dmg not replacing the original skill.

They wrote it out right in the patch notes but used the original skill image for reference since the level 100 skill is just an addition

[normal vector]

Sheeeeesh

[high igloo]

uncapped quadstar assuming these stats (partial buffs) is 116m after the nerf

before the nerf it was 150m

its gonna be really difficult to cap quad star with clone if you end up with 130-150m cap which is where ill be

this just looks like one massive blanket nerf to most classes to get everyone to roll good bonus pots.

it will be near impossible to cap if youre full 60's even with full buffs unless you have the additional stats from bonus pots

[graceful salmon]

Can’t forget to factor in things like our +10% BA. Lots of things can be overlooked when they are shifting around our “power bands” by making changes in several areas like this. I’ll pin trojins battle analysis for awhile so that it can be quickly referenced after he posts the new one for us. Hopefully it’s a net positive, even if our off-burst is more wet noodle than before. I’m not the type to complain about off-burst dmg since I enjoy the burst aspect of the job and strategically using it. If I complained much about off-burst, I’d play a non-burst job instead tbh. Would drive me crazy from my own choices

[high igloo]

@harsh igloo full buff and do a 1min analysis in the training ground if you can, set boss def to like 40% or something

and then do one after and we can see the real effect on these changes to end game bosses, since i think trojin is the only one thats full60 with bpots

[normal vector]

FYI, we are getting +5% FD and +25% BA and -10% CD

Maple goddess and dark serenity and critical throw

It seems Venom burst is good skill now,

[normal vector]

So it’s a 40% increase

210%/150%

[high igloo]

No it’s just 60%

100%->160% on nlm

I keep confusing their names but it’s the 100 skill

[normal vector]

So total is 210 now?

[iron pond]

Can we also confirm if this true? I’ve always kept it off my skill wheel

[high igloo]

Unless they happen to make a typo which I doubt

[normal vector]

50+160

[normal vector]

I use it lol

It caps for me

[high igloo]

It is, it does about 3-4% of my overall contribution

[iron pond]

It’s just tick dmg right?

[high igloo]

It can probs do more now since the lines increased by 60%

[iron pond]

Put it with quad star preset?

[high igloo]

Yeah

I just do vb->qs->qs

[iron pond]

Thanks, I’ll start using it

Why a second qs?

[high igloo]

I actually put 3qs

But was lazy to type it out, for some reason it’ll feel more fluid versus just 1 qs

Idk you have to try it yourself to understand but it may be something with the game trying to cast vb again while it’s on cd

For a split second

[iron pond]

Wow, I had no idea. When I do bossing I do SR > QS

[high igloo]

So during the time the image on the skill wheel changes

It feels a fraction slower if you just have vb->qs

[iron pond]

Thanks, I’ll give this a try also

[proud holly]

Csn you send screenshot of your preset plz?

[high igloo]

I may actually move vb to the last slot

I find myself using it before the boss even spawns sometimes

[restive lodge]

This is my battle analysis in training ground with 40% def will post again after patch

[iron pond]

Very interesting on your burst, I wonder how others set theirs

[high igloo]

you dont cap assassins mark?

[restive lodge]

Nobody does

As far as I know.

[high igloo]

you do if you mdc is low enough

[harsh igloo]

I’ll do 30s

[harsh igloo]

What’s ur cap?

Crazy dmg

[restive lodge]

111.7m

[harsh igloo]

Nice!

8 got only 110m

What sf is ur mythic accessories?

[graceful salmon]

“Only”?!

[restive lodge]

DP: 4sf
Gloom Ring: 3sf
Will pocket: 4sf
Damien’s: 3sf
Lotus’s: 2sf

[harsh igloo]

Solid

Dam lotus 3
Ring 2
Don 6
Will 0

[restive lodge]

My pendant isn’t that lucky

[high igloo]

That dom pendant at sf6 alone is already more mdc than all your accessories combined

[harsh igloo]

🐳 🐳 🐳

[normal vector]

How will 4sf alrdy ? Geeez

[eternal panther]

[rustic ether]

hi im a new player and my NL is approaching lv200, just wondering what are the V nodes i should be going for when that happens?

[stuck mango]

u know how bad nw is comparing to nl

[normal vector]

Wym they got alot of buffs

[harsh igloo]

Ofc NL got one of the biggest buffs

[stuck mango]

Hmm? Isn’t ur average dmg all over the place?

NW can never outdps NL rn

Even at the top tier

[stuck mango]

Nw in such a bad spot rn. They are def below db Shad nl

It’s tbd if this patch make nw more comparable to those thieves

[normal vector]

How?

[rustic ether]

why do rarely anybody play NL?

[normal vector]

All their damage % went up and and gained more lines…

And stat boost

[stuck mango]

The way their clone is. Too many clones with low %, they have lots of lines but essentially theyre 30% of 1 line from other thief. So they need to have like 2x more lines to be comparable

Think of it like this

[harsh igloo]

NL is one of the strongest class atm

[stuck mango]

They have 3 clones, 70, 50 and 30%. So essentially it’s not 3 extra line. If u add those up, it’s only 1.5x more line

So their line isn’t a full line. It’s a fake 30% of a line

[harsh igloo]

Finally can say I’ll be happy

[stuck mango]

So yea rhey have the highest line count rn, but if u accoint for the “fake” lines, it sucks

[harsh igloo]

Even more post patch

Lines doesn’t matter if those r small ones low capped

[normal vector]

What about NL nerfs

[stuck mango]

It’s not a real nerf

This patch is equalizing everyone skill dmg % bb

[rustic ether]

is that based off damage output or overall? i heard that NL is pretty squishy

[stuck mango]

Look at all classes. All of their main bossing skill is adjusted to between 210-245% roughly

Any class that has main bossing skill is adjusted to within that range

And for skills like summons, passives, they are adjusted to all above 150%-200%

Now take a Quick Look at all classes and if u see that pattern

Same for all v skill

All v skill is adjusted to between 340-370%

That’ll be the new standard. This is Nexon attempt to equalize all classes in term of skill dmg%

[sturdy grotto]

Quad star : Why always me ?

[normal vector]

So if they do this… then the class with most lines output will be superior?

[stuck mango]

Yep. Line output, passive damage boost, how condense their burst is, play style

[normal vector]

Linestory

[stuck mango]

Primarily. Nw is an example of high line count but dont mean much

And nl is a great example of an overtuned 2min burst class.

Tons of other classes with similar v skill mechanism and being a 2 min burst class, but NL is just superior in term of dps output

[iron pond]

Interesting

[normal vector]

Our line count is doodoo when skills on CD

[stuck mango]

Well if u deal 10,000 line in 10 seconds. Then deal only 1000 line dor thr next 110s. You’re still better than a class that deal 12,000 line slowly over 120s.

Boss will move, ds4 won’t line up, you may die, etc

[normal vector]

Wat about capping

[stuck mango]

But this is just prepping u guys for origin skill. It’ll completely change how quad star function. It’ll boost quad star fd by a ton, it’ll boost all v skill by a ton of fd.

In 2 months, it’ll be the real test of whos the best dps

#buffMercedes

[tidal halo]

Shadowers are up there on S tier with palas, dont think NL is on the same class.

[visual oasis]

#BuffDB

[stuck mango]

I think in term of pure dmg, pally isn’t the strongest. Their sancro allow them to hit pretty high. But if u can give sancro n protective buff to the strongest end game NL vs shadower, I think NL may have an edge over shadower even.

No data tho. Just kinda my feeling seeing how a few top nl n shadower dps

[tidal halo]

but anw... doesnt matter, we can all be mentally prepared with the current adjustments.
Cuz it'll only be down as 6th job isn't very good for NLs as well. They made the job dpm rather than burst/dps. Identity crisis.
So if we are far down, there can only be up afterwards

[harsh igloo]

110m cap shadower can’t outdps me

But let’s wait and see

[tidal halo]

This is you with sacro as pin?

[harsh igloo]

I don’t get often Sancro

[normal vector]

someone input this into chatgpt lol

[iron pond]

Ty all I learn a lot today

[tidal halo]

NLmark adjusted 100 -> 160%. Sad it wasn't assassin's mark as they displayed in patch notes

[rustic ether]

what does that mean

[tidal halo]

Need to compare @harsh igloo's before and after battle analysis post patch to see how we're afrected

[normal vector]

itll be difficult wont it? since everyone got +mdc

[tidal halo]

I guess we can at least tell if the NLmarks hit closer to the cap

[tidal halo]

lmao.. did you actually chatgpt it?

[normal vector]

lolol

[tidal halo]

I'm more curious with what you actually input into the AI chat to get this response LOL

[normal vector]

screenshots of the patch changes

and this,

lol

[tidal halo]

What a gigachad.
Ok then i guess we take a look at the battle analysis to see if the AI's analysis is accurate

[normal vector]

just did a quick ark run... and my NLM didnt cap still lol

rest of skills was

u guys have last resort on pets or preset??

[tidal halo]

Still not capping with the extra 60% buff? Do you have a before and after patch Ark comparison? For the NLmark

[normal vector]

nope lol

[iron pond]

Pet

[tidal halo]

I also have it on pet. But tbh never really knew how to use that 2 stage buff thingy. And seems like if we want to activate 2nd stage wtv effect that is, we gotta manual cast and cant put on pet anymore

[normal vector]

what about shadow walker?

i use to have it as preset with dark sight...

[tidal halo]

I manual buff this. Cuz i control the usage of darksigght. Need the iframe at the correct time

I actually also occasionally use 4 seasons.. but I think that's definitely a skill that's gone down the drain post-patch

[normal vector]

can u share ur presets?

[graceful salmon]

Welcome! Check the pins for some FAQ like nodes n stuff. Otherwise feel free to ask here! Good luck on your NL

[rustic ether]

Thank you! Wasnt aware that theres a pinned section💀

[high igloo]

someone wake up sword

[high igloo]

the reason we would do a before and after is so see the shift in damage between our skills

really its either you hit your new cap or you dont

[restive lodge]

After patch

[boreal frost]

Sword you are a monster in the good way of the word

[daring lava]

dpm drop or increase after patch?

[static ether]

up it seems idk

[high igloo]

Looks like a slight buff

His nlm is on par with omen as far as % dmg

Assuming you are able to cap quadstar like he is, it’s an overall buff.

If you end up not being able to cap quad due to the lower skill dmg then it’s a nerf

And everything is relatively the same amount of lines too

[high igloo]

What’s your stats, you got full bpots and everything rolled for dmg?

[static ether]

wtb physical att / fd after the patch 🤣

a60 weapon or not yet? @restive lodge just for comparison also

[restive lodge]

Yes full bpots but will rr some hp to pa% later to see the difference in nlm looks promising

[restive lodge]

Yes full 60

[restive lodge]

71.9k pa

[restive lodge]

After rr some pots

[tidal halo]

Wow, capping the NLM now?

[restive lodge]

Almost yeah

[normal vector]

How much cap did u gain?

[restive lodge]

45m

[normal vector]

Wow NLM more dmg than V2

[restive lodge]

And V3

[normal vector]

V3 will probabaly do more on bosses with more summons

[restive lodge]

Will see in bossing

[normal vector]

Share stats after 🙂

I mean battle analysis

[restive lodge]

Sure

[normal vector]

So it’s possible to cap NlM now?

[restive lodge]

Before rr some hp% from cape and belt it wasn’t but I am shocked after few percentages of PA% it caps

[covert imp]

It will lost the (E) but will be 0 cuts

[rich path]

But requires a high skill level or a lot of support mainly a pally. If you get a pally while your bursting NL is unstoppable or better have 2 pallys and time their echosancro😌

[woven stump]

Any guide for NL Hyper Skills which should i up

[harsh igloo]

Ty

[normal vector]

Do we conquer overall buff?

🤔

[iron pond]

Everything else in quad star

Also question for all the seasoned NL here, is fragility curse useful in higher tier bossing now or its still pretty useless?

[woven stump]

yeah this i want to know haha

[normal vector]

I use it, I know some who doesn’t

🤷🏼‍♂️

[iron pond]

Can’t help it think that nlm could use another 10-20% skill dmg

[harsh igloo]

Feel like a bad useless skill

[tidal halo]

hmm, I still feel shadower is S tier. Post patch theyre better. NL's off burst is still abysmal. Not sure how much improvement the NLmarks added

[iron pond]

Running lotus tn and other bosses tomorrow. I’ll compare the analysis from pre and post rebalancing

[tidal halo]

Think we're still strong in situations like Lotus with multiple targets, cuz it generates a lot of stars.

According to my initial test in Will, NLmark contributing similar dmg proportion to Shurrikane

[eternal panther]

Heard quad gets a lot of FD in 6th job

[normal vector]

Is our clones suppose to be capping now? With the nerf to QS?

[normal vector]

https://youtu.be/G7sy_vpf0os?si=qGAb2CKNv-zgH43r

Echo says we are stronger now with NLM buff

[iron pond]

Clones can only like 75% of our mdc

I say yes, definitely a buff for us but I don’t think it’s huge compared to Shadower

Well know more as more data comes in

[inland yarrow]

Why do people put hyper points in fragility curse if it's useless. Why not more puts into showdown for training?

[high igloo]

theres many times when a boss is invulnerable so throwing down curse for a small dps improvement is better

with showdown, your gear should be good enough to 1shot the mobs regardless, so putting it all in showdown is pointless. the only thing that should be put in showdown is just more mob target count

[rustic ether]

so 3x quad stars, showdown extra target and fraility curse enchance?

[high igloo]

yeah

[iron pond]

Can someone show battle analysis for commander bosses? Either lucid, Damien, will, and archon?

[normal vector]

did you have signet?

I think once u get signet and add some stats on it, u dont need to reroll some potential to cap NLM

[restive lodge]

Not yet, but even though you need to increase the minimum dmg of it

If you just cap NLM lets say 100m and you get an avg dmg of 50m that’s not good enough

[chrome rampart]

Does shadow shifter have a cool down or how does that work

[modest steeple]

Can I know which v skills order should i focus? Thank you so much

[daring lava]

hello....since we got a free hyper reset scroll may I know which 2 remaining points for hyper skill? thank you..

[normal vector]

Anyone got video for kmsm 6th job NL

[normal vector]

KMS NL got a new iframe skill

[daring lava]

2 sec iframe with 60 sec cd

[tidal halo]

Is this the name of the 6th job big animation skill?

[tidal halo]

Theres some Korean dude who mains NL. Will see if I can find some videos later.
But tbh, cant understand korean so have no clue whats being shared

But anw... expectations is that NL is not top 5 burst class. Will be fine if we are accepting of this. I'm still waiting for our devs to release some sort of job change (even intra class job change is good enough)

[normal vector]

to reroll from NL?

[tidal halo]

yeah, not the biggest fan of the state it is heading into. Just that the way eq progression works here is quite difficult to transfer hence I've been sticking with NL

[normal vector]

is there still the gambling aspect in 6th job skills

where there is a % success to increase skills

[tidal halo]

I think there is. In order to strengthen VI, there's some sort of thingy to obtain before you can try to enhance the VI levels. At higher levels, the chances decreases much like SF. But once again I may be seeing the wrong thing cuz I've seen it in korean

[iron pond]

Going to ride or die with NL

[tidal halo]

Hahaha, NL is actually fun. If we didn’t have cap limitations and need for party to clear bosses, NL is actually very fun cuz you can do your burst and stuns, and focus on mechanics to time your burst skills.
On mobile version it’s a bit more awkward cuz we don’t really just stop hitting after our bursts

[iron pond]

We are also a delicate flower and die easy

[normal vector]

Are u guys capping bleed dart?

[normal vector]

Is it just me or the deal additional damage hyper doesn’t show for hard archon?

[tidal halo]

Yeah no i dont think so. Which boss analysis is this?
Some of the skills weren't already very good and they nerfed the dps ticks even more.

[normal vector]

Hard archon

[tidal halo]

Have just checked.. Max damage for bleed dart seems to be able to cap. But the average dmg is abysmal

[iron pond]

Here’s my hard archon run

[boreal frost]

NL got a iframe in KMS in the last update

It’s a new skill

[high igloo]

You only hit 87m on archon?

[normal vector]

Don’t have as high mdc as you

[high igloo]

[earnest wyvern]

Nl neerf or still good?

[tawny inlet]

Hey all, I think we all got this hyperstats reset for our job. I was wondering which point to put in? I think I did it randomly when I started NL. What’s the right way to put these points into?

[boreal frost]

Final Damage
Max Damage
Phy Atk
And the last one don’t remember the name ( the one that you can deal more lines of damage )

If you can cap your mdc up your max damage if you can’t cap yet up the other ones

[tawny inlet]

Tyyyy 🫶🏻

[tawny inlet]

Oh wait I’m so wrong! I mean the hyper passive skills

[graceful salmon]

If you’re still working towards lv200 or are not setup yet to carry your own weight in bosses like ark (and beyond), I’d do hyper passives something like 3x showdown and rest into frailty curse of your choosing (usually the curse dmg boosts are suggested). Otherwise if you’re already bossing focused, 3x quad star and frailty curse. Some can justify other styles of filling in the points where you meet both needs halfway, but their playstyle is suited to that so it likely helps them more than it’d help someone that isn’t min-maxing.

[iron pond]

I did 3x quad star and 2 into showdown (FD and more darts)

I decided to not do frailty curse anymore

[modest steeple]

Anyone know the v skill order priority?

[iron pond]

Barrage, throwing blast, and omen

[modest steeple]

Thank you!

[modest steeple]

Any updated presets guide? Thank you so much!

[daring lava]

For hyperskill frailty which of these 3 is better? additional attack (can trigger nl mark), crit reduction, or 10% def reduction. With 2 hyperskill remaining points is it worth it to put 20% fd on ahowdown or should I spend both on frailty?

[tidal halo]

https://youtu.be/GVuTyG3LMSc

Getting rekt by Adele, Hero, DB and Thunderbreaker in burst

[tawny inlet]

Yea I wanna focus more on bossing! And do you mean the frailty curse - additional attack? It applies a continuous damage effect? That makes 4 points in total, I can put 5. Which one should I put the last one in?

If I have the other 3 points in quad star*

[tawny inlet]

Can anyone explain the V Skill order? I don’t understand anything of it. Or do u have a link on YouTube I can watch? I’m bugggging

[iron pond]

Can you elaborate on what you don’t understand?

The 3 skills I mentioned are NL burst skills that allow us to do massive amount of dmg in a short period of time

[boreal frost]

What is your burst rotation?

[iron pond]

https://tenor.com/view/hit-brick-toss-throw-home-alone-gif-17684517

Kinda like this but with more throwing stars

[graceful salmon]

I did additional+bountiful. Minh makes a good point tho, if you barely use curse (I don’t even always use it tbh lol) then you can use 2x showdown instead. I just haven’t because I don’t care to rr passives and my farming rates are alr where I want them to be so the increase to showdown isn’t too appealing. If I was pushing exp and perma in highest af instead of farming then I might consider the switch. Am a farmer mindset player so I’m content in lower af farming map

[boreal frost]

@iron pond Ooh so you are one of those who keep secrets hahahahaha

[iron pond]

lol I was just trying to be funny

I use p2 and p3 at the start of the battle while ds4 is in effect

Cooldown should be at 2mins before I repeat. You can try to maximize and wait for ds4 to activate

Also keep in mind, barrage and blast are more of a enhancement to quad star

[tawny inlet]

Waaa hard choice. I mean im not really ready for bosses but I wanna max my dmg when doing so. Also I’m a grinder and leveling is also my priority 🤣. But yeah Ty for the info! I will try to see what I will do

[tawny inlet]

I always though that the V matrix had a particular choice of set up when choosing the skills in the v Matrix. Like the first 4 row then the 3 beneath and the last 4 etc. Do they have a order? Or is it randomly?

And people always calling V this V that yadayada but I don’t know what they mean

[graceful salmon]

The showdown boosts really help with kill speed when you’re still getting going. Would be wise to start 3x there, and then 2x into something else

[iron pond]

I don’t think you need the full 3 pts into showdown, 2 is good. The one that increase target count is not that useful because you rarely encounter mobs greater than 6

[tawny inlet]

Tyyy

Do you guys use showdown as a perfect trio for mobbing aswel?

[iron pond]

Yes

[rustic ether]

is 4seasons no longer relevant after lv200?

[iron pond]

Nope, I don’t use it

[rustic ether]

i see

my main is hitting 200 later this week so i havent got access to v matrix yet

to level up a node skill, do i need to keep opening nodes till i get the same one or is it just pumping mesos?

[iron pond]

Opening node slot cost mesos but leveling it up only takes the same nodes

[rustic ether]

does the same nodes come from nodestone rng and crafting?

[tawny inlet]

Huhhh dafuq, did I just ruined my perfect trio?? I use for season, quadstar and assassin mark as perfect trio HELPPPPPP

[tawny inlet]

Yess rng and crafting

[tawny inlet]

Someone told me this was the perfect trio.. I wanna cry cuz I extracted all the other skills

[rustic ether]

and can i just extract undesirable node skills for shards? what are the shards used for

[iron pond]

It is part of a trio, you just don’t use the skill

[iron pond]

You only need to extract special nodes, you will level up every node even the ones you don’t use. Once those useless skills are max then you extract them for maximum return

The shards are used to craft other nodes and skills

[normal vector]

Better to put V4 ahead of v1 in your preset

To min max that few seconds of v1

[iron pond]

I did already from when talk about it, that’s a old pic

[restive lodge]

Solo multi hard damien

[tidal halo]

How are SC and GHB score like for you top NL players looking?
Is the difference for multi targets quite significant for some classes in your server too?

[iron pond]

For multi target when I was at 60m MDC, my score was around 640m

Since the update my mdc went up 80m and my score is at 1450m. Which a significantly increase

[tidal halo]

For a 20m mdc increase, your score seemed to have more than doubled? weird... how did that happen?

[iron pond]

No idea, I’ve done the same thing as I always have for multi target. I agreed that the math didn’t add up for a 20m increased. Do other NL players here noticed the same thing with their GHB?

[rustic ether]

what hyper stats are we maxing on NLs

[graceful salmon]

FD
PD
MDC
ADI
BA

[harsh igloo]

🐳

[graceful salmon]

Lend me 20m MDC pls

[harsh igloo]

Too weak

[proud holly]

Damn after so long trying almost 2 years trying

[tawny inlet]

Woaaa almost 2 years 😭 congrats tho!

[normal vector]

yall capping additional damage upon attacking hyper???

[tidal halo]

Not for me. About half of cap or smth from what I rmb

[normal vector]

How about bleed dart?

I believe they nerfed it

[tidal halo]

They did nerf bleed dart. Its now 245% <--- down from 300% iirc

[tidal halo]

Can cap, i think you asked recently. But the average damage more often than not hits under cap and is still abysmal. But the additional attack one hits lower

[graceful salmon]

Big grats! Now to drain your resources to max level it again

[proud holly]

Jajaja I did maxed it right away I have so much powder remember 2 years just saving powders.

[high igloo]

you aren't?

[rustic ether]

may i know whats the rationale behind having quad, showdown, mark over quad, mark, 4szn as your trio? or do you only use this for AB?

[daring lava]

you can see on the max level nodes 2 of the nodes have the same 3 main skills and another 2 is another 3 diff skills....the order is not rly that important...e.g you can use quad,4 season and sudden raid but the other nodes should be other 3 skill...for me I separate the skill 2 nodes for bossing and another 2 for mobbing

[graceful salmon]

Ultimately, how you divvy up your trios is up to you and your budget. These are just the trios I ended up with long ago and have kept them since. My only goal back then was to have 2 pairs of trios. I didn’t want to have a mixed bag, locking me down to investing 3+ matrix slots to be able to max important boost node levels. They actually look like pcms trios lol. You can min-max by going after specific trios that you want based on current skill stats (rebalances over time will shift the usefulness of certain skills as their skill dmg fluctuates, so be mindful of that when you’re hyperfixating on specific trios). For example four seasons was a huge off-burst boost before but apparently I’m seeing some NL’s don’t even have it on their skill wheels anymore. It used to cap easily with its high skill dmg making it commonly apart of off-burst quad star presets.

[iron pond]

Need opinion on this, as we gain higher MDC. Do we benefit more for having more MDC souls or FD souls?

[eternal panther]

If you keep capping then more cap I think

[proud holly]

Always cap forever cap

[proud holly]

Made it 1st clear but is almost impossible to do it on NL jesus christ!

We definitely need some survivability or an extra iframe im sick of dying like nothing.

[graceful salmon]

Welcome to the world of squishy burst, where your survival complaints will never be fulfilled

[proud holly]

Yeah man I been suffering forever the only reason I haven't rerolled is because I dedicated so much already 😪

[graceful salmon]

Good choice. I know someone in this server who has rerolled ever since they started playing and now has multiple years of “experience” but still has no idea what end game is, judging by the things they say when they try to chime in on anything beyond ark bossing

[tawny inlet]

😩this demotivates me. I just re-rolled into NL and now I wanna cry lol

[proud holly]

What was your main before?

[proud holly]

.

[tawny inlet]

Even worse haha. It’s demon avenger

[graceful salmon]

DA is a great farmer at least haha

[iron pond]

NL is in a good spot but it does require heavy spending

Just get decent Hyper Body and rr pot lines for more HP

[tawny inlet]

True XD I like the skills allot

[tawny inlet]

What’s hyperbody?

[graceful salmon]

After I adjusted the entirety of my account for HP, quality of life improved by A LOT

I have nearly 250k HP with inherit+chaos+abso mix, and it helps me keep up with bossing reqs

[iron pond]

It’s a vskill you can craft

I think I’m at 285k, I just take Damien and will now

[graceful salmon]

I wish I could tank big hits like that. 3 hdamien orbs on me while I’m standing on altar WILL f me up

[iron pond]

One thing people don’t talk about enough is how important level is

Every 5 level makes it easier

[tawny inlet]

Dangggggg

[tawny inlet]

Oooh that skill, yes now I know!

I can’t wait to solo bosses and farm all those abso or chaos stones. I’m really dying to do that all

[graceful salmon]

Excited for you to get to bossing and seeing how you like it

Try to avoid prioritizing soloing the harder bosses. Some players tend to fall into the noob trap thinking that “solo” means “easier”, and idk why…maybe they see lower total HP + altered attack pattern and assume it’s simply easier. For some jobs it is, but not all. It’s basically always easier to do it in an organized team that has the right roles filled in the team comp to bring the necessary support skills to make the run smooth. Like bringing blockers for certain attacks, bringing shell to mitigate big hits, bring rez’s for goofy mistakes lol, etc.

At the end of the day, if you’re not strong enough to burst thru certain solo mechanics (or even meet requirements for teams), you will die to them. That goes for many jobs that don’t have multiple iframes, they’re affected the same way. Nexon does a good job in gating content by HP to tank hits and total MDC to clear within the fight timer, before even considering specific fight mechs that require certain jobs to be present (bishop, phantom, pally, etc).

[tawny inlet]

I really wish I could team up with strong guild members and try to beat those bosses. But I live in Europe and it’s nearly impossible to join them 😭 every run is midnight, like 4 or 5 am. That’s what I’m really realllllly missing about this game. But yea I try to keep strong!

[graceful salmon]

Ah yea finding runs that are within your free time is another challenge too. I used to attend an ark run that happened right after server reset daily to accommodate people who couldn’t make it to the normal run times. It’s was degenerate hours of the night for some people but it was their only option LOL it’s hard to find large enough groups of people that are dedicated enough to form a full team at odd hours

And EU is alr on the quieter side as far as player base goes

[tawny inlet]

Do it again pleaseee! Lmaoooo haha or hopefully someday in the future again if you have enough people to attend xD

Yea that’s why I came to NA

[graceful salmon]

Wait @harsh igloo used to come to that reset ark run too LMAO

I wasn’t the organizer, I just came because I was usually awake at that time anyways

[tawny inlet]

Hahah hit me up! Somewhere in the future if there’s another run like that! I would really love to join hihi

[harsh igloo]

U can do solo no?

I do at reset

I can solo multi ark

[tawny inlet]

Holy hellllll! 😱

Is there a chance I could join u once in a while if u run at reset? 🤣

[eternal panther]

Op

[harsh igloo]

Yes

Buddy me

Trojin

[tawny inlet]

Will do the moment I wake up tomorrow! Sleepy time now! Thank you so much! 😊

@graceful salmon and ty u toooo 🫶🏻

[graceful salmon]

After we stopped doing that reset run, I stopped doing ark regularly. So many changes have happened since then that idk how solo ark looks like on my NL anymore

[harsh igloo]

Solo ark is easy

I believe Effie can do it

He got 100b hp

[proud holly]

I agree 100% most content are intended to be done in teams. I love NL but some jobs have it easy they can iframe most mechanics while we only have dark sight. I wish for at least 1 more iframe.

[harsh igloo]

People think a quick burst is bad because of cooldown but I find good.
You do a big damage burst in short time and then if you have errors later it has less impact

[iron pond]

What’s your MDC now @harsh igloo ?