#Bowmaster

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minor sable
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SE enhance
SE deadly crit
Hurricane split
Hurricane reinforce
Hurricane boss rush/ AS extra strike

fleet peak
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Whelp, I feel stuck. I can't figure what else to be doing while I attempt to necro my bow. Any suggestions would be helpful!

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I can't decide what is the best use of my resources. Necroing the bow is top priority, 5 attempts in so far, but otherwise it feels like there are just so many options. I think working on my link skills is important, but I don't know if that will be a big difference.

frosty sapphire
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This 2 can do together

fleet peak
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I appreciate it! I'll keep at it then.

modest crag
polar depot
fleet peak
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Sounds good, I'm on necro attempt 6 now. I have the sinking feeling it's going to be in the 20s 😅

polar depot
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My wep took like 30 something tries

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But I got my outfit on the first

fleet peak
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I have enough trouble coming up with enough meso's for eveything >.<

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Also grats on the first try necro armor, that's amazing!

orchid moat
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Ya

orchid moat
polar depot
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You can consolidate bossing nodes into hurricane
Final attack
Speed mirage

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Quiver node doesn’t do anything since they nerfed activation rate, you don’t use the hyper skill during bossing and stream is for ab

modest crag
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When you are high enough level and you have your V1,2,3,4 at lvl30 (Top priority because we are in a Vskill Def Ignore meta) you will be able to include secondary trios (Quiver/Phoenix/AS don't need to be lvl60, but at the very least lvl40+ so you get the def ignore bonus)

orchid moat
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Kk so i go by order

modest crag
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We talked about this in the main BM discord and Quiver and Phoenix does benefit from trio support since they keep going off and give us passive damage

orchid moat
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Is trio nodes or 6th job skill priority for lv 200?

modest crag
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Quiver Cartridge and Phoenix still deliver some lines, but the most important part is the FD% and Def Ignore % from the trio that supports our V3: Quiver Barrage

orchid moat
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Kk thx

modest crag
modest crag
orchid moat
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Kk

fleet peak
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So I see mention that def ignore is important, I'm guessing I should roll a new line on my too 😅

frosty sapphire
orchid moat
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If i m surviving sf144 with uniques and a legendary weapon, is there need to rank up my gears? I may transfer the gears to kain by fusing in future so stopping at unique now

polar depot
stoic jolt
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the gold arrows that triggers from V3 (When V3 is up, you trigger both red and gold arrows) scales from quiver boost nodes

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but only if you have the slots for it, not a big priority

orchid moat
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Lucky only if you the slots for it

modest crag
modest crag
# fleet peak

Right idea, wrong item. If you plan on playing long term, I would recommend looking for a CD/BA emblem overall to start building up. Exalt to it 40 > Refine > Necro > Abso. RA/Inherit/Chaos gear are obsolete and a deadead, especially after they updated the Abso set effect to give Def Ingore.

Note: You can spam unique flames farmed from chaos expeditions on your items for a chance for it to become double line. It is reccomended to only use legendary flames or better on an item after that.

fleet peak
orchid moat
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Kk i unlock when i get to next 5 levels

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But i think buying one earliest extra slot early is worth while abing to next level

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Then followed by next pattern

frosty sapphire
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U guys tested it out / asked nexon about this?

stoic jolt
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You can test it out your self

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first take off quiver nodes so that it is lvl 0 boost, test out damage with gold arrows on without V3 on

this will show you pire gold arrow damage

next test pop your v3 then attack

your damage should be the same

now you can redo these tests with quiver nodes on

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and you can compare the damage

stoic jolt
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phoenix/quiver/arrow stream is your other trio if you have room

frosty sapphire
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4 skill with 4, forgo phoenix and AS , to use v points on skill node?

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Only phoenix got sacrified when bossing tho, havent got time to try how much it affect phoenix dmg(which is up time quite low and need to stay near), if ure the aggro holder then maybe then phoenix node is kinda worth to have?

stoic jolt
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the damage from phoenix and gold arrows is very low, but every line counts. so it is reccomended to build nodes for them anyways. when you get more slots, what else are you going to boost or slot in?

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you can worry about it when you get more slots

frosty sapphire
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Decent skill , haha

frosty sapphire
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Lvl25 13%, lvl30 15% hmmmmm

polar depot
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Idk I’d still rather combat orders/speed infusion since cap got raised I barely hit my 80m cap anymore after v1/4 are off cd unless I’m on 50s/boss rush

stoic jolt
modest crag
polar depot
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Yeah I know I’ve been procrastinating the wep 😂 all my moneys been going into abso attempts

raw ingot
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how is this class at mobbing?

toxic surge
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Nice

modest crag
# raw ingot how is this class at mobbing?

Surprisingly not great. There is a huge misconception that BMs are great at mobbing because of our "Best mobber" title from various msm videos showing test that BMs have the highest kill count in AF maps (particularly larger maps). This is not because we have good multi target mobbing skills, but rather we have 5 skills that constantly spawn homing arrows that go around the map hunting down enemies we can't even see. Most of these skills are single target so multi target mobbing wise, we are pretty garbage.

stoic jolt
toxic surge
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Andy necro for sell ? Na scania

fleet peak
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Let's goooooo!!!!!

willow tendon
uncut arrow
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Whats the AB wheel look like before 200

frosty sapphire
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Arrow stream, blaster, gust

If scare tio gang then remove blaster

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Its either u kill them 1st or they kill u, if u cant kill fast enuf, go lower sf

little python
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Hi, I just reached level 200. Could someone give me the V matrix and also a good AB for level 200?

fleet peak
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Hey y'all, how are we supposed to get past floor 43 in dojo? Without iframes it seems kind of impossible

polar depot
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Setup blink to the left of him and start right

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If he does whip then tele left

polar depot
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And then double jump back to other side when there’s another whip

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Plus there’s two v4 lives

fleet peak
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Gotcha, so as long as he doesn't whip repeatedly and I can drop him fast enough I should be fine.

polar depot
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Yeah plus the touch dmg is only 80k so I usually dash to other side if I’ve already blinked

covert orchid
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I have lv38 Empress gloves with ACC Crit Dmg emblem with 0 fails on both, should I try and sell it or just keep?

fleet peak
fleet peak
covert orchid
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Yes it's equipped and I'm lv220

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Debating whether to just keep or sell it and build a Crit dmg one

polar depot
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Sell and rebuild

covert orchid
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Do you have a ball park price?

polar depot
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Non bis cd emblem isn’t worth much

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Normally would have been fodder price

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Plus you empressed before lvl 40

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What’s the sf on it?

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Could try to resell as a sf23 ancient fodder for 6b

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But if low then you don’t have many options

covert orchid
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18SF I think I was thinking 4.5b/4b then drop it by a few hundred if it doesn't sell

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The exhalt on it was 1 fodder and 3 stones, so I would still get a profit anything from 1b

polar depot
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Seems like a stretch bc it’s not bis or finished lvl 40

modest crag
# fleet peak Lol, I wish. Usually get smoked for well over 150k

If you're getting smoked for over 150k from bump damage, this means your gear rank isn't high enough. Sounds like you're using mythic/inherit. If this is the case, you can buff birthday cake and hamburger for 50% boss def and 50% phy def to be able to tank it. Make sure you also equip PEs to recover fast enough

fleet peak
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More buff foods it is!

modest crag
# fleet peak

This is a good start! Keep exalting the rest of the mythics to 40 and then empress it and start attempting to hit Necro. Focus on Hat, Outfit, Glove and shoes to help increase you HP base.

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The 2 extra lives from v4 should also help you survive.

fleet peak
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Thanks! I finally found an outfit that has the right emblem for a decent price. Currently building it up to mythic, I am happy to say I have built everything myself.

Probably not the most efficient way, but it's slowly getting the job down.

modest crag
fleet peak
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I think I would have had it if I noticed that my storm of Arrow's hadn't triggered. It was also a pretty sloppy run overall.

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Nvm, tried again and it just whipped everytime and obliterated me. It honestly just feels like bad boss mechanics.

polar depot
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You can also stun it

stoic jolt
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you have the general idea of the boss, if you slot a stun in, you can clear it

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you stun it as it raises its arm to slam

polar depot
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You also didn’t turn on soa

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Most of our dmg is from that

stoic jolt
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if you dodged the first slam, you might have cleared it. you are very close!

fleet peak
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Wait.... Have I been playing for this long and didn't realize that BM has a Stun...

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Is it a v skill? I genuinely can't find it...

stoic jolt
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every class has it, it's called edra nova. you have to craft it

fleet peak
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Whelp, yah learn something new every day

modest crag
toxic surge
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Who its the owner i have offer

toxic surge
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Buy necro bow na scania

toxic surge
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Who have more damage bm or wa

modest crag
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@buoyant crown still got Necro bow?

buoyant crown
modest crag
# toxic surge Who have more damage bm or wa

All classes are relatively equal now in terms of lines after they put everyone on 2 minute cycles. I reccomend trying both and seeing which style you like better BM (DoT) or WA (Small Burst/Short Cooldown)

modest crag
fleet peak
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Hey y'all, I'm at a bit of a loss and use a bit of a poke in the right direction.

All my gear is exalted to 40, my weapon is necro, and I am working on getting my armor to necro with minimal luck. While I am doing that, is there something I should be focusing on other then leveling and farming Mesos?

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I don't quite know where to spend my Mesos efficiently now. So far I check off all of the boxes::

  • Full emblem, each at lvl 3 - 4
  • all items at exalt 40
  • full set of link skills & legion lvl @ 3800
  • VMatrix like 70% leveled up
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Am I missing a step?

willow tendon
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You only got one set so far

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Or maybe you already have it

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And max ur v skills

fleet peak
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Yah, I rotate them on and off depending what I am doing. I'll keep working on my v skills.

lapis oriole
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What hyper skills should i add to?

modest crag
modest crag
modest crag
# fleet peak

You didn’t post hyper stats how are those looking?

modest crag
modest crag
modest crag
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Try to make 1 of each character and get them to at least 150. The higher the better. Max legion gives you a huge boost.

Bossing Legion:

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Training Legion:

fleet peak
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I realize now I should make a leveling and bossing grid separately and probably get the second page for hyper skill.

Thanks for linking all that

modest crag
# fleet peak

Don't waste a single point into crit dmg % in hyper stats. We get so much CD from everything else these days

fleet peak
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Totally fair, I only have 5 points in so no big loss there

modest crag
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Hyper Stats Upgrading:

  1. Put 1 point into ADI (It's free lines)
  2. FD
  3. PD/MDC (If you are not capping PD first. If you are capping switch with MDC)
  4. MDC/PD
  5. ADI
  6. BA
modest crag
fleet peak
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That was my thought, only losing five points I can reset them without having to lose a ton of mesos on it.

I just don't understand how people are damage capping. I can barely do it fully buffed w/food.

modest crag
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You need levels and way more stats

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Your gear is only mythic

fleet peak
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I guess, it just feels like it's forever away with necro being such a low %. As far as gear goes, I'm stuck waiting on necroing everything and grinding out accessories.

modest crag
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The game doesn't start until after 240+ these days

fleet peak
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Yah, give me another year 😅 hopefully the next job adv will help bump folks along a bit.

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That's for your time, I appreciate it

modest crag
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Capping stats for endgame bosses

lapis oriole
rustic cypress
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does BM V4 affect one's ability to clear shrine in damien?

modest crag
modest crag
solar oyster
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I wish the arrow blaster would recover its speed performance or at least get one more hit, I see its performance as very slow,

modest crag
solar oyster
austere timber
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Any iframe for bm?

willow tendon
toxic surge
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Can any give perfect trio plz

modest crag
toxic surge
toxic surge
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@modest crag setx2 of this work? Bro

modest crag
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Later on when you are level 240+ you will have more slots to put secondary trios that aren’t as important, but does contribute to minor lines

cobalt phoenix
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Hello sir, the skill Hyper 170 , does it need to be upgraded in V skill ?

modest crag
# cobalt phoenix

No. The lines are low and the cooldown is long. We only use gritty gust to speed debuff bosses.

toxic surge
solar oyster
# cobalt phoenix

It's useless. I hope one day they improve it, at least like the Windarcher, hoping with faith that the lines or performance of the arrow blaster will increase :c.

toxic surge
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@modest crag here in rope wath its better for boss?

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Eagle or the green arrow, dont remember the names xd

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And wath its better for max first, plz help xd

stoic jolt
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purple bird gives you a buff

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green arrow is just extra lines, doesnt do that much if you look at your battle sim results

toxic surge
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Thx bro u know wath v skill its better to max first ? @stoic jolt

stoic jolt
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storm of arrows, arrow barrage

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those give you buffs

toxic surge
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@stoic jolt thx bro

toxic surge
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This ots perfect trio rigth?

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For secondary trio only have the last one in the picture , or its good this other trio?

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Cuz of this have x2

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Or i use this and w8 to get the other combination?

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@stoic jolt @modest crag

stoic jolt
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its all up to you for the secondary trio. as long as you have gold arrows and phoenix.

if you are running out of slots, you can 4get about the secondary trios since they dont contribute much

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you can slot in decent hyper skills and maple goddess blessing

rain flower
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How is BM these days? Trying to narrow down my choices for a reroll. I currently main BaM for reference.

rain flower
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WA, DB, DK and possibly lynn

stoic jolt
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Bowmaster is pretty chill, hold down movement class is pretty useful for bosses. Same with WA

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you wont have any iframes though, but instead you get V4 with 2 stacks that can save you. they regen every 30secs

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warrior class DK, and DB high burst with iframes

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no clue what lynn does, but in pcms, shes the best supporter but only the best because she buffs 1 other team member and i heard endgame bosses there run with 3 party member max. she buffs final damage

who knows what her kit will be on msm

rain flower
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man I am to excited to join yall as a fellow BM

solar oyster
hushed marsh
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Example would be Lotus, which have 70% Crit resist.

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So you would need more than 100% Crit rate to always Crit on bosses that have Crit resist

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So free Crit rate from legion is very much helpful.

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That is also why players still eat Crit rate buffs even with Fair Trade turned on.

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Furthermore before the fair trade rework when it still had its HP drain mechanic, turning it on during certain boss phases (example in Damien) is most certainly a death sentence hence players had to rely on pure Crit stats outside of fair trade.

But this doesn’t apply anymore 😬👍

maiden quiver
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What do you guys focus early for hyper stat?

hushed marsh
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Exp

maiden quiver
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or try i guess

maiden quiver
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BM burst rotation?

rain flower
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Put down Arrow Blaster buff up and hold down hurricane pretty much

weary orbit
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Sorry, whats the best trio again?

solar oyster
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we're doing well.. mode boss
I did not include the phoenix because it has low lines and the level 170 super is not useful to me either, it has few lines and takes a long time to charge, I hope that one day they make it useful and have good lines and an acceptable charging time, we are forgotten by nexon, also the "Arrow blaster" decreased its performance, at least they should have the consideration of increasing the lines to that power just to benefit the phantom, they harmed us, it does not seem fair to me :(.

austere timber
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Anyone in A2S interested to buy Archer gears?

solar oyster
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Could it be true about Bowmaster? I guess the Korean balance will apply here, or not?

toxic surge
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Ye

solar oyster
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60 to 120 sec inhuman speed is good ?

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-_-

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3sec to 10 sec o.O

toxic surge
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I think nerf xd,

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Well more burst but then lose dpm

orchid dune
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Some one can please send perfect V matrix?

orchid dune
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?

frosty sapphire
frosty sapphire
orchid dune
solar oyster
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I have it like this to take advantage of the matrix points

orchid dune
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Hmmm no one with like perfect boss V matrix can send screen shot please?

frosty sapphire
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after thursday update u can just use all as vmatrix slot will increase to max 30 slot

frosty sapphire
orchid dune
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I did but its old one

frosty sapphire
orchid dune
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Ok

solar oyster
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Nerf bowmaster 🙁

orchid moat
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Maplestory should just delete classes if rebalance keep some classes strong and weak the same since dawn

gentle tide
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so... will this balance round make us stronger?

willow yew
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If the knock back prevention applies to our main dps skills then yes

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If not only so slightly

solar oyster
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Inhuman speed nerf 🙁

slender basin
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BM is the most op class

orchid moat
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Its so OP that the map dmg nerf if i dun meet cp or sf cant do anything

polar depot
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Has anyone taken inhuman speed off pets since rework? To manual it?

modern creek
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since the vmatrix slot increase

stoic jolt
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we got so much space lol

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hurricane
arrow blaster
final attack
arrow quiver
phoenix

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you can even max our hyper gust too with arrow stream

royal arch
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Lines went up a bit
Before

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Not sure if silhouette mirage is related to inhuman speed but it seems it went up by a few lines as well

lapis oriole
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How can i improve?

stoic jolt
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inhumane spd is condensed into a burst now with 2min cd so it has more lines, but will even out at 2min mark

solar oyster
modest crag
willow yew
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Lowkey BM is so nerfed that even a 1.8m CP DB was able to out dps me during lucid (lower lvl too, only had two necros) against a BM main with 5.2m CP, that is geared with multiple ABSOLAB GEAR AND NECRO MIXED

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FULLY BUFFED

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Another instance a WA with only one necro gear one ancient and all mythic was able to OUT DPS ME multiple times in ark and other boss. Nodes that are not fully leveled

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CP lower than mine too

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@meager thicket could we please reflect this to the dev team? What’s the point of a main if an alt is able to out dps a full main that are less geared

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And not even fully maxed node

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On top of that BMs don’t have any way to recover from stun prevention while marksman have the prevent all negative status skills

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BM is one of the classic OG class, but lowkey this is embarrassing

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It’s a literal dead class like look at this forum’s engagement compared to others

solar oyster
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Unfortunately, the Bowmaster is neglected, and I've seen several cases where the Bowmaster with the highest MDC is outclassed by others with lower MDC. It's a shame because so much is invested in increasing the MDC, only to have someone else surpass you with a small improvement. This has been going on for years, and there's never been a decent upgrade. Even the 15-second burst from Inhuman Speed is weak. Currently, the Bowmaster is mid-range, verging on low-end. They should file a complaint so that they can at least improve it decently once after all these years.

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If you're looking for explosive damage and a large number of hits, the Mercedes and Wild Hunter are the top archers in terms of damage and hits.

frosty mica
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Arguably coolest archer outside of Kain though

willow yew
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I just can’t accept the fact that I’m getting out dps by an ALT with 1.8m cp, NO ABSO ONLY ONE NECRO GEAR, easily out dpsed me with full abso + NECRO gear mixed and full nodes

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Like ?????????

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I’m 3x more cp

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How is this possible

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@rigid ivy

rigid ivy
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BM slaps DB around in mobbing. There are some jobs that just aren’t as good at bossing as others and that’s fine. Some need buffs, some need nerfs.

I always recommend to jump into #msm-feedback-qol and read the rules in the pins, then leave a constructive submission about what’s bad, what you recommend changing, and why you feel that way. Use skill names and numbers, keep your voice heard. (All archers are kinda known to be meh, so I feel you)

round mantle
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I thought BMs are solid.

round mantle
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But you still underperformed an ALT.

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Nerf DB maybe.

polar depot
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I switched all my stuff to manual and don’t use burst during p1 of a lot of bosses

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Bc of our long uptime low burst skills

willow yew
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It’s all manual - only included passive buff on pets

polar depot
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I agree it’s pretty lacking in burst or lines compared to my 32m mdc lynn who can hdam already

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V4 is nice in will tho I never have to move for yellow eyes etc

meager thicket
solar oyster
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Yes in msm-feedback-qol

stoic jolt
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I think BM are in a good spot but we really lack survival skills like a proper iframe.

We fall behind in quick bossing content that is shorter than 1min, because we need to wait the full 1min for V1 to do all of it's hits. In the case with lotus/lucid/damien where the bosses have times where you cannot hit him or moves around too much, this waste our V1 uptime and we lose lines because of this.

the bossing content we do really well on is vhilla. she doesnt move around too much and we can move + attack with ease. i can say BMs outperforms other meta class dps by quite alot in vhilla.

In will, we excel as the poison holder in phase 3 with blink shot.

However besides outperforming in vhilla, we are kinda lackluster and mid for other bosses

low ice
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could someone help me with a skill preset for autobattling and review my burst/bossing preset? (feel free to DM)

vapid urchin
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hi may i know what hyper skill do i need to add for bowmaster ?

burnt topaz
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What the updated perfect trio for BM now ?

vapid urchin
rustic cypress
vapid urchin
dawn ingot
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@modest crag hi Dan, can i know the AB & Bossing skill wheel rotation? And how bm burst on bossing

maiden quiver
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Can someone send me the best tri nodes to use for BM?

polar depot
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Final attack/hurricane/speed mirage

elder bronze
old hollow
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Hi guys, any active BM?

maiden quiver
old hollow
covert orchid
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When should we unlock hexa stats? After lv1 everything?

covert orchid
polar depot
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I went origin hexa skill hexa stats

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Did not unlock hexa boost nodes

polar depot
covert orchid
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I am not hitting my max cap, but I think that is because of my def ignore rate is low 42% with the rune

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I am hitting a cap just not my max cap because of that I believe

maiden quiver
polar depot
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Or guild dungeon

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But then there are no free buffs

lapis oriole
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Hihi, can someone share the skillwheel for AB & bossing?

And what buffs to equip on pets and what buffs to press manually?

Thanks in advance!

dense trellis
fossil fox
austere timber
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can I know what's BM iframe?

austere timber
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Does anyone have the V3 and V4 skill description? Thanks in advance

fossil fox
polar depot
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You can’t use it to block lotus lasers, or Damien fireball/firestorm or darkness in gloom

rustic cypress
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works on a per-instance basis rather than per-interval

solar patrol
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New v skill next patch give us a true iframe?

onyx ivy
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guess bm too great with ab that's why she doesn't have iframe?

fossil fox
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with the new patch, what will be a good jewel set for bossing, purple to increase BA?

i am still using yellows for both farming / bossing

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i think my BA is too low? 🤔

fossil fox
violet rampart
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Kinda funny they gave PHY class magic attack

frosty sapphire
fossil fox
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farming set. almost the same just different accessories and slightly different legion layout.

both sets using yellow jewels

frosty sapphire
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Ic, sooner or later ur flame all will go IED anyway, as for jewel i see mostly go for PD instead of BA

polar depot
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Try at least one line each for ied

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FD on android lsw and main wep

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Your mdc still pretty low so it won’t make too much of a diff

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And no necro so that’ll hurt for higher bosses

long palm
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Harloe guys, any BM guides here?

iron smelt
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How to up skill hexa status

weary orbit
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All 4 hexa v skills only give fd?

stoic jolt
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yes

raven rock
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Does BM need decent SE node? Also, how many Boss Attack emblems are BIS compared to CD? I Currently have CD weapon and 2 cd armor, 2 boss atk armor, 3 junk emblems looking to swap out. Trying to decide between boss attack and crit damage emblems before I commit to a necro project.

polar depot
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You can have it on just for the patk but just don’t actually use it on pets

polar depot
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Archer gear is hard to come by cuz no one fuses

frosty sapphire
onyx ivy
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why everyone use bow master ? is he that good ? if is i would like to try to create him as 2nd main

gilded anvil
willow tendon
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I think bm is a solid class overall

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But needs a ton of funding

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Compared to smtg like marksman

polar depot
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Downsides is no real short burst

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But you don’t have to aim anything bc everything is a long duration skill

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Less chance of missing

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Sucks for bosses like will and lucid where they disappear and do stuff then come back

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0 party utility tho and no true iframe but v4 blocks some stuff like screen cracks and skills over 50% of your health

onyx ivy
onyx ivy
onyx ivy
willow tendon
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mm is basically Hero but Archer version

rustic cypress
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u can make any class work given enough effort, just decide based on what u like about their design and gameplay pattern and work from there

rustic cypress
polar depot
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Hard Vhilla

gilded anvil
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More bow skins in cash shop pls

austere timber
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Is there a trio for speed mirage? Seems like it does significant damage

polar depot
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It’s connected to Arrow platter

austere timber
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How do BM fare against WA? Seems like the debate is always ongoing

astral sphinx
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Hello, may I know BM's skill line up?

hard verge
idle jacinth
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What trios for bm?

gilded anvil
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Then FD>phoenix>whatever

idle jacinth
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this class crazy mobbing

idle jacinth
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anyone have SS of max level V skills?

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want to see skill descirption

polar depot
idle jacinth
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What’s the priority of V skill to max out first

polar depot
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Storm of arrows does the most