#Bowmaster
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Whelp, I feel stuck. I can't figure what else to be doing while I attempt to necro my bow. Any suggestions would be helpful!
I can't decide what is the best use of my resources. Necroing the bow is top priority, 5 attempts in so far, but otherwise it feels like there are just so many options. I think working on my link skills is important, but I don't know if that will be a big difference.
Link skill, legion is a must do upgrade, it takes time so u will want to start early.
This 2 can do together
I appreciate it! I'll keep at it then.
I would use event rank up stones for hat and shoe then exalt those. Reset cr cd and exp hypers and possibly save money for the 4-5% necro attempt bonus scrolls
Sounds good, I'm on necro attempt 6 now. I have the sinking feeling it's going to be in the 20s 😅

I have enough trouble coming up with enough meso's for eveything >.<
Also grats on the first try necro armor, that's amazing!
Ya
At what level you unlock all the nodes slots because Archer have too many nodes to fit them all inside haha, i also lazy level with the rates
You can consolidate bossing nodes into hurricane
Final attack
Speed mirage
Quiver node doesn’t do anything since they nerfed activation rate, you don’t use the hyper skill during bossing and stream is for ab
For BM, at 245+ you will have more node slots than you need for everything.
When you are high enough level and you have your V1,2,3,4 at lvl30 (Top priority because we are in a Vskill Def Ignore meta) you will be able to include secondary trios (Quiver/Phoenix/AS don't need to be lvl60, but at the very least lvl40+ so you get the def ignore bonus)
Kk so i go by order
We talked about this in the main BM discord and Quiver and Phoenix does benefit from trio support since they keep going off and give us passive damage
Is trio nodes or 6th job skill priority for lv 200?
Quiver Cartridge and Phoenix still deliver some lines, but the most important part is the FD% and Def Ignore % from the trio that supports our V3: Quiver Barrage
Kk thx
Max your two Perfect Trios (Hurricane/FA/Platter) to level 25 so that you get the phy dmg 10% (lvl20) and def ignore rate 15% (lvl40) bonus on your main skills and then focus on maxing V1,2,3 first as those are our high dps output.
Kk
So I see mention that def ignore is important, I'm guessing I should roll a new line on my too 😅
Where is this main bm discord?
If i m surviving sf144 with uniques and a legendary weapon, is there need to rank up my gears? I may transfer the gears to kain by fusing in future so stopping at unique now
I thought the fd and def ignore from the trio only affected quiver phoenix
the gold arrows that triggers from V3 (When V3 is up, you trigger both red and gold arrows) scales from quiver boost nodes
but only if you have the slots for it, not a big priority
Lucky only if you the slots for it
It's only a matter of time and level. Just keep abing and you'll get there.
Right idea, wrong item. If you plan on playing long term, I would recommend looking for a CD/BA emblem overall to start building up. Exalt to it 40 > Refine > Necro > Abso. RA/Inherit/Chaos gear are obsolete and a deadead, especially after they updated the Abso set effect to give Def Ingore.
Note: You can spam unique flames farmed from chaos expeditions on your items for a chance for it to become double line. It is reccomended to only use legendary flames or better on an item after that.
Thanks! I think it was expiring so I just randomly used it. I'll look into which overall to use and get working on it.
Kk i unlock when i get to next 5 levels
But i think buying one earliest extra slot early is worth while abing to next level
Then followed by next pattern
So.. now boost node shld be minimally
Hurricane
Blaster
Fa
Quiver
Then phoenix, arrow stream
U guys tested it out / asked nexon about this?
You can test it out your self
first take off quiver nodes so that it is lvl 0 boost, test out damage with gold arrows on without V3 on
this will show you pire gold arrow damage
next test pop your v3 then attack
your damage should be the same
now you can redo these tests with quiver nodes on
and you can compare the damage
you should still make hurricane/blaster/FA trio
i know there are wierd combinations to max 5 skills to 60 with 5 slots but not worth imo
phoenix/quiver/arrow stream is your other trio if you have room
4 skill with 4, forgo phoenix and AS , to use v points on skill node?
Only phoenix got sacrified when bossing tho, havent got time to try how much it affect phoenix dmg(which is up time quite low and need to stay near), if ure the aggro holder then maybe then phoenix node is kinda worth to have?
the damage from phoenix and gold arrows is very low, but every line counts. so it is reccomended to build nodes for them anyways. when you get more slots, what else are you going to boost or slot in?
you can worry about it when you get more slots
Decent skill , haha
Lvl25 13%, lvl30 15% hmmmmm
Idk I’d still rather combat orders/speed infusion since cap got raised I barely hit my 80m cap anymore after v1/4 are off cd unless I’m on 50s/boss rush
even with decent skills you will have slots left, really up to you on how to build your v matrix
If you look at what was previously said and posted, you will be able to include the decent skills and have trios to support quiver/phoenix after 240+.
If you are having trouble capping and seeing a consistent [Average Dmg per hit], you need better gear, in particular a lvl50~60 weapon.
Yeah I know I’ve been procrastinating the wep 😂 all my moneys been going into abso attempts
how is this class at mobbing?
Nice
Surprisingly not great. There is a huge misconception that BMs are great at mobbing because of our "Best mobber" title from various msm videos showing test that BMs have the highest kill count in AF maps (particularly larger maps). This is not because we have good multi target mobbing skills, but rather we have 5 skills that constantly spawn homing arrows that go around the map hunting down enemies we can't even see. Most of these skills are single target so multi target mobbing wise, we are pretty garbage.
its great for training and ab since we have arrows that fly out and kill stuff, we have summons that trigger those arrows. but we are very bad at multi target damage
Andy necro for sell ? Na scania
Grats
Whats the AB wheel look like before 200
Arrow stream, blaster, gust
If scare tio gang then remove blaster
Its either u kill them 1st or they kill u, if u cant kill fast enuf, go lower sf
Hi, I just reached level 200. Could someone give me the V matrix and also a good AB for level 200?
Hey y'all, how are we supposed to get past floor 43 in dojo? Without iframes it seems kind of impossible
The other one is a telegraph with the rose on the floor that you can just dodge
And then double jump back to other side when there’s another whip
Plus there’s two v4 lives
Gotcha, so as long as he doesn't whip repeatedly and I can drop him fast enough I should be fine.
Yeah plus the touch dmg is only 80k so I usually dash to other side if I’ve already blinked
I have lv38 Empress gloves with ACC Crit Dmg emblem with 0 fails on both, should I try and sell it or just keep?
Lol, I wish. Usually get smoked for well over 150k
Depends, is it already equip to you? What lvl are you? And if it's not equip, what are you currently wearing?
Yes it's equipped and I'm lv220
Debating whether to just keep or sell it and build a Crit dmg one
Sell and rebuild
Do you have a ball park price?
Non bis cd emblem isn’t worth much
Normally would have been fodder price
Plus you empressed before lvl 40
What’s the sf on it?
Could try to resell as a sf23 ancient fodder for 6b
But if low then you don’t have many options
18SF I think I was thinking 4.5b/4b then drop it by a few hundred if it doesn't sell
The exhalt on it was 1 fodder and 3 stones, so I would still get a profit anything from 1b
Seems like a stretch bc it’s not bis or finished lvl 40
If you're getting smoked for over 150k from bump damage, this means your gear rank isn't high enough. Sounds like you're using mythic/inherit. If this is the case, you can buff birthday cake and hamburger for 50% boss def and 50% phy def to be able to tank it. Make sure you also equip PEs to recover fast enough
Thanks, I feel like progress has slowed right down since I am in the process of slowly trying to necro my gear
More buff foods it is!
This is a good start! Keep exalting the rest of the mythics to 40 and then empress it and start attempting to hit Necro. Focus on Hat, Outfit, Glove and shoes to help increase you HP base.
The 2 extra lives from v4 should also help you survive.
Thanks! I finally found an outfit that has the right emblem for a decent price. Currently building it up to mythic, I am happy to say I have built everything myself.
Probably not the most efficient way, but it's slowly getting the job down.
Also, feel free to post a recording of you mu lung run with the plant for feedback. Can give you specific tips and techniques when I have a better sense of your dps and mechanics during this content.
I think I would have had it if I noticed that my storm of Arrow's hadn't triggered. It was also a pretty sloppy run overall.
Nvm, tried again and it just whipped everytime and obliterated me. It honestly just feels like bad boss mechanics.
You can also stun it
you have the general idea of the boss, if you slot a stun in, you can clear it
you stun it as it raises its arm to slam
if you dodged the first slam, you might have cleared it. you are very close!
Wait.... Have I been playing for this long and didn't realize that BM has a Stun...
Is it a v skill? I genuinely can't find it...
every class has it, it's called edra nova. you have to craft it
Whelp, yah learn something new every day
Yeah you would have cleared it for sure had you remembered to use SoA. Sloppy overall, but experience and cleaner runs will come with more practice!
Buy necro bow na scania
Who have more damage bm or wa
@buoyant crown still got Necro bow?
I sold mine 
All classes are relatively equal now in terms of lines after they put everyone on 2 minute cycles. I reccomend trying both and seeing which style you like better BM (DoT) or WA (Small Burst/Short Cooldown)
Thx bro!!!
Hey y'all, I'm at a bit of a loss and use a bit of a poke in the right direction.
All my gear is exalted to 40, my weapon is necro, and I am working on getting my armor to necro with minimal luck. While I am doing that, is there something I should be focusing on other then leveling and farming Mesos?
I don't quite know where to spend my Mesos efficiently now. So far I check off all of the boxes::
- Full emblem, each at lvl 3 - 4
- all items at exalt 40
- full set of link skills & legion lvl @ 3800
- VMatrix like 70% leveled up
Am I missing a step?
Ur boost nodes
You only got one set so far
Or maybe you already have it
And max ur v skills
Yah, I rotate them on and off depending what I am doing. I'll keep working on my v skills.
What hyper skills should i add to?
You have to get your v1,2,3 maxed asap. That’s the main source of our dmg.
Post 200 (bossing)
Hurricane - Split Attack
Hurricane - Reinforce
Sharp Eye - Enhance
Hurricane - Boss Rush
Sharp Eye - Deadly Crits
You didn’t post hyper stats how are those looking?
Bossing
Training
Try to make 1 of each character and get them to at least 150. The higher the better. Max legion gives you a huge boost.
Bossing Legion:
Training Legion:
They are looking alright, trying to work on my legion more now
I realize now I should make a leveling and bossing grid separately and probably get the second page for hyper skill.
Thanks for linking all that
Don't waste a single point into crit dmg % in hyper stats. We get so much CD from everything else these days
Totally fair, I only have 5 points in so no big loss there
Hyper Stats Upgrading:
- Put 1 point into ADI (It's free lines)
- FD
- PD/MDC (If you are not capping PD first. If you are capping switch with MDC)
- MDC/PD
- ADI
- BA
Points will get increasingly harder to come back. Good thing you can reset specific stats
That was my thought, only losing five points I can reset them without having to lose a ton of mesos on it.
I just don't understand how people are damage capping. I can barely do it fully buffed w/food.
I guess, it just feels like it's forever away with necro being such a low %. As far as gear goes, I'm stuck waiting on necroing everything and grinding out accessories.
The game doesn't start until after 240+ these days
Yah, give me another year 😅 hopefully the next job adv will help bump folks along a bit.
That's for your time, I appreciate it
Capping stats for endgame bosses
Enjoy the process! 😄
Thank you very much! Trying to switch to main BM from DS
does BM V4 affect one's ability to clear shrine in damien?
No. BM's v4 isn't an iframe. It works like heaven's door where it prevents death. It doesn't prevent damage.
Wath its dot bro?
Stands for Damage Over Time
I wish the arrow blaster would recover its speed performance or at least get one more hit, I see its performance as very slow,
It got nerfed because phantoms were stealing arrow blaster for training/bossing and the devs apparently felt like the dps was too great.
What an injustice, at least they should increase the number of impacts to compensate.
Any iframe for bm?
no
Can any give perfect trio plz
Hurricane, Final Attack, Arrow Platter
@modest crag necesary in that order? I saw bowmaster have 1 x2 trio and 1x2 sexondary trio rigth? @modest crag srry fir my english jaja
It can be in any order as long as it is that combination for bossing
Later on when you are level 240+ you will have more slots to put secondary trios that aren’t as important, but does contribute to minor lines
No. The lines are low and the cooldown is long. We only use gritty gust to speed debuff bosses.
Hey bro, wath v skill its better to max first?
It's useless. I hope one day they improve it, at least like the Windarcher, hoping with faith that the lines or performance of the arrow blaster will increase :c.
@modest crag here in rope wath its better for boss?
Eagle or the green arrow, dont remember the names xd
And wath its better for max first, plz help xd
purple bird gives you a buff
green arrow is just extra lines, doesnt do that much if you look at your battle sim results
Thx bro u know wath v skill its better to max first ? @stoic jolt
@stoic jolt thx bro
This ots perfect trio rigth?
For secondary trio only have the last one in the picture , or its good this other trio?
Cuz of this have x2
Or i use this and w8 to get the other combination?
@stoic jolt @modest crag
its all up to you for the secondary trio. as long as you have gold arrows and phoenix.
if you are running out of slots, you can 4get about the secondary trios since they dont contribute much
you can slot in decent hyper skills and maple goddess blessing
How is BM these days? Trying to narrow down my choices for a reroll. I currently main BaM for reference.
What are your other options?
WA, DB, DK and possibly lynn
Bowmaster is pretty chill, hold down movement class is pretty useful for bosses. Same with WA
you wont have any iframes though, but instead you get V4 with 2 stacks that can save you. they regen every 30secs
warrior class DK, and DB high burst with iframes
no clue what lynn does, but in pcms, shes the best supporter but only the best because she buffs 1 other team member and i heard endgame bosses there run with 3 party member max. she buffs final damage
who knows what her kit will be on msm
man I am to excited to join yall as a fellow BM
Hello, why don't you take blocks from the critical rate and fill them with physical attacks? Since you have the Necro skill, I don't think the critical rate is necessary.
Bosses have Crit resist
Example would be Lotus, which have 70% Crit resist.
So you would need more than 100% Crit rate to always Crit on bosses that have Crit resist
So free Crit rate from legion is very much helpful.
That is also why players still eat Crit rate buffs even with Fair Trade turned on.
Furthermore before the fair trade rework when it still had its HP drain mechanic, turning it on during certain boss phases (example in Damien) is most certainly a death sentence hence players had to rely on pure Crit stats outside of fair trade.
But this doesn’t apply anymore 😬👍
What do you guys focus early for hyper stat?
Exp
BM burst rotation?
Put down Arrow Blaster buff up and hold down hurricane pretty much
Sorry, whats the best trio again?
we're doing well.. mode boss
I did not include the phoenix because it has low lines and the level 170 super is not useful to me either, it has few lines and takes a long time to charge, I hope that one day they make it useful and have good lines and an acceptable charging time, we are forgotten by nexon, also the "Arrow blaster" decreased its performance, at least they should have the consideration of increasing the lines to that power just to benefit the phantom, they harmed us, it does not seem fair to me :(.
Anyone in A2S interested to buy Archer gears?
Could it be true about Bowmaster? I guess the Korean balance will apply here, or not?
Ye
Some one can please send perfect V matrix?
?
u can scrol up and read at Dan's msg
here @orchid dune
Thanks:)
I have it like this to take advantage of the matrix points
Hmmm no one with like perfect boss V matrix can send screen shot please?
after thursday update u can just use all as vmatrix slot will increase to max 30 slot
u dont read wat dan wrote/?
I did but its old one
nothing changed
Ok
Nerf bowmaster 🙁
Maplestory should just delete classes if rebalance keep some classes strong and weak the same since dawn
so... will this balance round make us stronger?
If the knock back prevention applies to our main dps skills then yes
If not only so slightly
Inhuman speed nerf 🙁
BM is the most op class
Its so OP that the map dmg nerf if i dun meet cp or sf cant do anything
Has anyone taken inhuman speed off pets since rework? To manual it?
sunny what the bw trios? for a friend nowadays
since the vmatrix slot increase
we got so much space lol
hurricane
arrow blaster
final attack
arrow quiver
phoenix
you can even max our hyper gust too with arrow stream
Lines went up a bit
Before
After
Not sure if silhouette mirage is related to inhuman speed but it seems it went up by a few lines as well
How can i improve?
you need to do 2min test
inhumane spd is condensed into a burst now with 2min cd so it has more lines, but will even out at 2min mark
I think it's manual, at least I use it to take advantage of the maximum damage in the 15 seconds because then it charges every 2 minutes. @modest crag Do you use it manually?
Yeah, with v2 lines being consolidated it is best to manual it and line it up with ds4 for max value.
Thanks You 🙂
Lowkey BM is so nerfed that even a 1.8m CP DB was able to out dps me during lucid (lower lvl too, only had two necros) against a BM main with 5.2m CP, that is geared with multiple ABSOLAB GEAR AND NECRO MIXED
FULLY BUFFED
Another instance a WA with only one necro gear one ancient and all mythic was able to OUT DPS ME multiple times in ark and other boss. Nodes that are not fully leveled
CP lower than mine too
@meager thicket could we please reflect this to the dev team? What’s the point of a main if an alt is able to out dps a full main that are less geared
And not even fully maxed node
On top of that BMs don’t have any way to recover from stun prevention while marksman have the prevent all negative status skills
BM is one of the classic OG class, but lowkey this is embarrassing
It’s a literal dead class like look at this forum’s engagement compared to others
Unfortunately, the Bowmaster is neglected, and I've seen several cases where the Bowmaster with the highest MDC is outclassed by others with lower MDC. It's a shame because so much is invested in increasing the MDC, only to have someone else surpass you with a small improvement. This has been going on for years, and there's never been a decent upgrade. Even the 15-second burst from Inhuman Speed is weak. Currently, the Bowmaster is mid-range, verging on low-end. They should file a complaint so that they can at least improve it decently once after all these years.
If you're looking for explosive damage and a large number of hits, the Mercedes and Wild Hunter are the top archers in terms of damage and hits.
Arguably coolest archer outside of Kain though
I just can’t accept the fact that I’m getting out dps by an ALT with 1.8m cp, NO ABSO ONLY ONE NECRO GEAR, easily out dpsed me with full abso + NECRO gear mixed and full nodes
Like ?????????
I’m 3x more cp
How is this possible
@rigid ivy
BM slaps DB around in mobbing. There are some jobs that just aren’t as good at bossing as others and that’s fine. Some need buffs, some need nerfs.
I always recommend to jump into #msm-feedback-qol and read the rules in the pins, then leave a constructive submission about what’s bad, what you recommend changing, and why you feel that way. Use skill names and numbers, keep your voice heard. (All archers are kinda known to be meh, so I feel you)
I thought BMs are solid.
I don't think people really use "CP" to gauge how strong oneself is, like you said yourself. You have 3x more cp.
But you still underperformed an ALT.
Nerf DB maybe.
are you using all your vskills manually or on pet buffs
I switched all my stuff to manual and don’t use burst during p1 of a lot of bosses
Bc of our long uptime low burst skills
It’s all manual - only included passive buff on pets
I agree it’s pretty lacking in burst or lines compared to my 32m mdc lynn who can hdam already
V4 is nice in will tho I never have to move for yellow eyes etc
Hello! Yes what @rigid ivy said. Please drop your feedback into #msm-feedback-qol and I'll get it straight to the devs.
Yes in msm-feedback-qol
I think BM are in a good spot but we really lack survival skills like a proper iframe.
We fall behind in quick bossing content that is shorter than 1min, because we need to wait the full 1min for V1 to do all of it's hits. In the case with lotus/lucid/damien where the bosses have times where you cannot hit him or moves around too much, this waste our V1 uptime and we lose lines because of this.
the bossing content we do really well on is vhilla. she doesnt move around too much and we can move + attack with ease. i can say BMs outperforms other meta class dps by quite alot in vhilla.
In will, we excel as the poison holder in phase 3 with blink shot.
However besides outperforming in vhilla, we are kinda lackluster and mid for other bosses
could someone help me with a skill preset for autobattling and review my burst/bossing preset? (feel free to DM)
hi may i know what hyper skill do i need to add for bowmaster ?
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What the updated perfect trio for BM now ?
i mean skill the 5 point to ?
uh just count from the top
thanksss
@modest crag hi Dan, can i know the AB & Bossing skill wheel rotation? And how bm burst on bossing
Can someone send me the best tri nodes to use for BM?
Final attack/hurricane/speed mirage
Hi guys, any active BM?
ahoy
Aight not a lot BM players rn?
When should we unlock hexa stats? After lv1 everything?
1 right here!
Depends on if you cap or not
I went origin hexa skill hexa stats
Did not unlock hexa boost nodes
This is my unbuffed lotus
I am not hitting my max cap, but I think that is because of my def ignore rate is low 42% with the rune
I am hitting a cap just not my max cap because of that I believe
okay amount just not a lot of actives in here lol
Yeah the def thing is hard to calculate. The highest boss that doesn’t have def is magnus lol
Or guild dungeon
But then there are no free buffs
Hihi, can someone share the skillwheel for AB & bossing?
And what buffs to equip on pets and what buffs to press manually?
Thanks in advance!
arrow stream for mobbing
hurricane for bossing
blue pets for all the buffs (probably not the most optimal for burst dps cycle, but dont need to manual press)
can I know what's BM iframe?
Does anyone have the V3 and V4 skill description? Thanks in advance
bm doesn't have iframe 
V4 works the same as a heavens door but it’s not really a traditional iframe
You can’t use it to block lotus lasers, or Damien fireball/firestorm or darkness in gloom
works on a per-instance basis rather than per-interval
New v skill next patch give us a true iframe?
guess bm too great with ab that's why she doesn't have iframe?
with the new patch, what will be a good jewel set for bossing, purple to increase BA?
i am still using yellows for both farming / bossing
i think my BA is too low? 🤔
what ur flame scale to?
almost all are to exp (PA/CD/CR to exp). a few scale to HP
Kinda funny they gave PHY class magic attack
means u now still using exp necklace during bossing?
boss set. my boss set / flames look like this currently
farming set. almost the same just different accessories and slightly different legion layout.
both sets using yellow jewels
Ic, sooner or later ur flame all will go IED anyway, as for jewel i see mostly go for PD instead of BA
Yeah you should be rolling to pdmg jewels and ied flames
Try at least one line each for ied
FD on android lsw and main wep
Your mdc still pretty low so it won’t make too much of a diff
And no necro so that’ll hurt for higher bosses
Harloe guys, any BM guides here?
How to up skill hexa status
All 4 hexa v skills only give fd?
yes
Does BM need decent SE node? Also, how many Boss Attack emblems are BIS compared to CD? I Currently have CD weapon and 2 cd armor, 2 boss atk armor, 3 junk emblems looking to swap out. Trying to decide between boss attack and crit damage emblems before I commit to a necro project.
You can have it on just for the patk but just don’t actually use it on pets
I would just buy whatever is available
Archer gear is hard to come by cuz no one fuses
U need the PA from lvl30 decent SE ( u cant really equip the skill but still gain the passive pa).
I think no one can tell u which bis emblem coz no one actually can test it out, all just base on theory.
why everyone use bow master ? is he that good ? if is i would like to try to create him as 2nd main
Apparently damage is great, but beware they have no iframes
Never seen a bm carry in high end boss b4
I think bm is a solid class overall
But needs a ton of funding
Compared to smtg like marksman
I use it cuz it’s a one button class 😂
Downsides is no real short burst
But you don’t have to aim anything bc everything is a long duration skill
Less chance of missing
Sucks for bosses like will and lucid where they disappear and do stuff then come back
0 party utility tho and no true iframe but v4 blocks some stuff like screen cracks and skills over 50% of your health
Thanks , i searched everywhere there's no iframe for them which is weird
Is mm good ? I thought they are good for starter but after got necro could make their single target main skill less valuable?
Ya me too love bm because holding one button and your job is done hahaha, ya ppl told me they don't have burst so some boss keep disappear and your buff still running.
yes its a good starter
mm is basically Hero but Archer version
u can make any class work given enough effort, just decide based on what u like about their design and gameplay pattern and work from there
not yet
I'll give a MM the crystal lake bow skin so that I can pretend they're actually an alternate bowmaster 😂
More bow skins in cash shop pls
Is there a trio for speed mirage? Seems like it does significant damage
It’s connected to Arrow platter
How do BM fare against WA? Seems like the debate is always ongoing
Hello, may I know BM's skill line up?
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I believe it's hurricane>platter>quiver
Then FD>phoenix>whatever
this class crazy mobbing
What’s the priority of V skill to max out first
Storm of arrows does the most
Post more videos 🙂