STHD-Evolution 8.1 suggestion.

[rapid elk]

• STHD is a long-range combative division that is meant to annihilate targets from a long distance while utilizing specialist long-range equipment. But we don't have that.

• STHD should be given increased vision, comparable to AAL pilots; STHD divisionals should receive roughly 25%-30% greater vision than ordinary individuals after they equip their combatics; this might be similar to what pilots receive or slightly less. This will greatly assist STHD in carrying out their tasks, which are to eliminate targets/threats from a long distance and to identify targets from a long distance, since I've had several occasions where I was unable to identify KOS personnel from a long distance and had to approach them.

• STHD is supposed to be a combative division, however they have one of the lowest amounts of combative armor in the game. As an Overwatch member, I gain 89 armor, which is absolutely useless in actual battle because civilians can simply obtain 100 armor using light Kevlar.

• STHD is intended to neutralize and eliminate KOS targets from afar, but if we can't identify them from afar, there's no difference between MDF and STHD because STHD isn't given any actual far range buffs, whereas MDF is given armor to tank close range fights and survive hits. Which STHD is not provided.

• This includes the STHD tracker/bounty system, which is temporarily unavailable due to development issues. STHD has no other bonuses for spotting targets from a long distance than that tracker.

• HAUT-12 should be silent because we are supposed to be stealthy and not exposed while utilizing this device, no divisional should be able to equip conduct the quest within tundra to receive this device as it's only a speciality for STHD.

The HAUT-12, can be built by anyone.

• An additional proposal if the community disagrees with STHD being awarded more vision is:
  Give access to STHD divisional to manage their bounty system, and place bounties on the tracking system within the STHD wing.

[zinc panther]

100% agreed.

[fresh junco]

we need this

[quiet sedge]

Yes

[zinc panther]

Some sort of player identification binoculars would also be a great addition

[dusky lion]

this suggestion is the truest thing I've heard in 2026

[zinc panther]

Would be helpful with all the sweats that dress similarly

[fresh junco]

real

[zinc panther]

Which causes rk problems when some are kos and some not

[sleek swift]

🙏

[summer vector]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-active-raid-madoka-amano-thumbs-up-approval-gif-17932640007379402823

[stark rover]

Mmm if theres still issues with the tracker please report it

I haven't had any issues reported to me when I've put them up

[clear nest]

It is pretty miserable fs, like our nvg is pretty good but the fog is so unbearably hard to see though that it makes it almost impossible to make out targets farther than the next tower over
Also another big issue is raiders love to wear the typical black outfit which makes it impossible to identify which is kos and which isn’t
Another thing id like to add is that the the tracker needs a buff, the times it does work it’s super jank and doesn’t work as well as you’d like and also the cooldown is way too long for it to be feasible when you can just simply walk around the wasteland and locate them faster than it takes to go and use the tracker especially with the fact that it relies on AIA in order to use

[magic elm]

Legit doesn’t work

At all

[stark rover]

Then

REPORT IT

Get clips

[uncut trout]

This aint pokemon

[rapid elk]

It was already reported.

[slim elm]

I approve as well

[stark rover]

I have put up a few last week all the sthd I did it with said it worked fine

[rapid elk]

And meant to be fixed by chairman.

[magic elm]

Like how tf do we get less armor than ard

[rapid elk]

Was not fixed.

[magic elm]

Holy shit

[stark rover]

Chairman apprently fixed it last week, if its not fixed report it

We need to ensure its working

[magic elm]

Anyways other than that, there’s still lots of fucked shit. We somehow have less armor than any other division

A uo has less than that

[stiff python]

what sthd needs is a sonar that would travel outwards slowly and highlight every aegis personnel in green for about 5 seconds while wastelanders and raiders are not pinged, almost completely eliminating the team kill issue

[stark rover]

You have more then we do

[magic elm]

How much do u get

Yea

Good job

[stark rover]

around 70

[magic elm]

Giving a combat div 80 armor

[rapid elk]

We're combatives..

[magic elm]

As the UOC I get 97

Like what

[rapid elk]

AIA's duties are mainly done outside of the game, you don't need armor.

[dusky lion]

less than a mdf trialing iirc btw

[magic elm]

And somehow there’s talks about making mdf juggernauts like what?

[stark rover]

thats bullshit

[stiff python]

the raiders being pure black could be remedied by remaking the morphs to adapt a sand camo

[magic elm]

It doesn’t matter. Ur not a combat division

[rapid elk]

Do you deal with combat?

[fresh junco]

Naw fr tho

[stark rover]

But yes I don't disagree that STHD needs some fixes

tbh the armour buff per rank should apply to both MDF and STHD both are meh

STHD is supposed to be on the lighter side tho

[magic elm]

The buffs are different as well

Mdf uo gets 165

Sthd Uo gets 89

[stiff python]

I feel like a ping system like in helldivers 2 would go a long way

[stark rover]

MDF is the main middle force while STHD is all about sniping from long ranges.

But yes i agree they need more then 89

[stiff python]

you can just hover over someone, press a keybind and boom

[rapid elk]

I'm expected to terminate individuals within far range by only identifying their avatars, which they could simply match and lead to me being warned by SC. Said by SC DC: if I terminate someone from far range I'm basically "Taking the risk"

Said by Truck_Lover1 [SC DC]

And I ended up getting warned for such duty.

Which i do not want repeated.

[magic elm]

Halfly bullshit imo. We’re “long range” yet we don’t jave any long range buff

[stark rover]

You have 1 the tracker and 2. a 132 damage sniper rifle

Tbh sthd has alot more stuff then the olden days

of just sniper rifle

[stiff python]

chairman could fix these issues by making the op guns niche amazing instead of general really good

[rapid elk]

Broken, cannot equip it alone/freely, requires 2 other divisionals from two different divisions. Sniper rifle won't help me identify raiders.

[clear nest]

We have the LRP but I’d say roughly 75% of my combat has been like close range since long range is so impossibly terrible

[magic elm]

^^

[stark rover]

Ah and also a grappling hook although yes I wish that was your division only. However the STHDs grappling hook is twice as fast and barely any delay time between use.

[magic elm]

The sthd hook is the only actually good thing we have

[rapid elk]

All divisions can craft it, even wastelanders.

Not a big buff.

[magic elm]

There is a decent difference

But still

They add something exclusive for sthd

Then just remove it by a quest

[stark rover]

Although they have a far worse version

[undone torrent]

the wasteland version is heavily nerfed with its speed

[rapid elk]

the slower version isn't really that bad since for both grapplers there's 1-2 seconds where you get stunned while grappling and can be easily shot.

[stark rover]

Easy solution would to have it that the grapplinghook is sthd only and aegis can't use the quest

[clear nest]

It’s also a quest that only has to be done every 2 weeks

[undone torrent]

but honestly

the speed doesnt change how easily you can get killed when using the grappler

just place your crosshair on the grappling point and wait for the moment

[rapid elk]

Exactly.

I can be easily killed.

[stark rover]

Does mean if people aren't focused on you, you can get up faster before they can pay attention but ofc it leaves you exposed.

[rapid elk]

It makes an insane loud noise, not even silent.

I can be easily caught and terminated on-sight.

[undone torrent]

if the grappling up sound was silent for the sthd version that'd be sick

[clear nest]

They also make different noises too and honestly the scrap one is quieter than our version 😭

[undone torrent]

makes the tool seem actually professional and fitting with our theme

since we're supposed to be stealthy

[clear nest]

Yea honestly I would rather have a slow and quiet grapple than a fast and loud one

[quiet sedge]

Oil up the sthd grappler and it’ll make no noise

[brisk isle]

HOLY SHIT PLEASE

Snipers with no way to snipe any better then another.

While every other div gets equipment completely specilised for them.

[finite wave]

buff pksf

[quiet sedge]

What’s so different about a raider with a 1s and an sthd with a 1s

One is blacker than the other

[heavy knoll]

Could kinda say the same with mdf

[quiet sedge]

If you buy the 1s you can do STHD’s job

[heavy knoll]

Realistically sthd has more content than MDF

[solar stratus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1036815489776758838/1117161854347788298/RDT_20230610_1142111329734205080458561.gif

[quiet sedge]

In like

What way

[heavy knoll]

Every way ☠️

[quiet sedge]

You guys have an incoming jugg

[heavy knoll]

Sthd can do everything mdf can

[quiet sedge]

You got an alarm

You got more armor

[heavy knoll]

U guys can do hits

[quiet sedge]

Your morph is darker

[rapid elk]

HAUT-12 being silenced implemented^

[heavy knoll]

Idk bout that

[solar stratus]

idk if thats true

[quiet sedge]

It is I’ve tested

[solar stratus]

for real

[silk prawn]

Imo, it is true that STHD does need way better vision, since they are supposed to do long range, with the fog, is just painful to even see at all, the only way you could actually tell someone apart from long range would be to see green parts of weapons. The tracker from what i've known has been broken or not used at all, you have to ask AIA to put someone in the tracker to be able to even use it in the first place, now the downside is that the raiders can just use the disrupter so bye tracker. Now the armor, yeah, it's fucked up to only have 89, but i guess chairman thought about it as in STHD needing to be lighter for movement (I suppose)

[quiet sedge]

Yes

With your neons off

[solar stratus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/902920902906376282/1444764497293344962/togif.gif

[quiet sedge]

You’re less likely to get shot

Than sthd

Cuz with neons off you legit look like a raider

[solar stratus]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

could go both ways

[quiet sedge]

Dawg I WISH we could move faster

That would make sense

We don’t have a vest

[silk prawn]

Yeah bro

[quiet sedge]

You can tell an sthd cuz of their mesh cape

[silk prawn]

Hitmans are to be lighter and faster, being able to conceal themselves fast and move point to point within seconds

[quiet sedge]

And mesh mask

[magic elm]

Yea.. I also had some chat with a raider and they simply said they always use the disrupter to make sure they aren’t tracked

[rapid elk]

Please don't troll in this chat.

[quiet sedge]

@rapid elk add faster movement

[quaint dew]

Yeah don't troll brochaco

This is peak

[magic elm]

That’s not related to dev content at all lol?

[quaint dew]

Glory to sthd

[quaint dew]

He's not that smart

[solar stratus]

hits have an in game system do they not

[silk prawn]

Faster movement is actually something that sthd should have, being a hitmans division, y'all should be able to dissapear without traces under seconds after firing a shot

[solar stratus]

idk how much it can be talked about outside of jdc

[quiet sedge]

@slim elm can you pls pin the suggestion

[quiet sedge]

It is broken

[solar stratus]

oh 💀

[rapid elk]

Please read the suggestion.

[solar stratus]

no

[quiet sedge]

Chairman said to suggest anything here no matter how classified it is

Cuz he doesn’t read stuff outside of here

[silk prawn]

As well to say, I confuse more MDF as raiders than STHD

[quiet sedge]

Bro I’ve confused so many MDF as raiders before

Simply because they don’t have a cape

[silk prawn]

Like I somehow can tell off STHD but cant with MDF smh

[quiet sedge]

STHD’s cape has a huge identifying factor

[quiet sedge]

It’s the cape with the mesh mask

[quaint dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1473022415553433723/1473062625750421628/togif.gif

[quiet sedge]

And the belt

[quaint dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1335710439346016307/1477362101084487896/srrMBBUNg4lWIroM-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[silk prawn]

It's just pain tbf

as well the fact that sthd should be able to camouflage more in the wasteland

[quiet sedge]

We only camouflage against the walls

[silk prawn]

yeah

[quiet sedge]

Imagine if we were sand colored

Woah

[silk prawn]

Invisibility:

Lol

[tawdry sentinel]

@rapid elk done

[rapid elk]

👍

[heavy knoll]

Alt detected opinion rejected

[rapid elk]

@slim elm

[heavy knoll]

🙀

[slim elm]

?

[rapid gate]

Sounds cool

[slim elm]

@heavy knoll Can you keep the discussion suggestion related please

[heavy knoll]

0 bias 😑

Tell royal that as well then

[slim elm]

@quaint dew Same for you, keep the discussion suggestion related please

[quaint dew]

Is that your only argument

[heavy knoll]

Keep the discussion related.

[quaint dew]

He's constantly harassing me due to my account age, Mind verbally warning him for such traumatizing actions.

I feel emotionally and mentally abused by this individual.

[heavy knoll]

Keep the discussion focused please.

[cyan fox]

Sir.

Keep your tome low please.

[heavy knoll]

Yes sir.

[cyan fox]

Thank you. 🥰

[magic elm]

Take a break please.

[late eagle]

The fog thing would be SOOO GOOD

Holy 🙏

[eager meadow]

It literally is, when your neons are off you can easily just be mistaken for a raider, you got full black and we don’t whilst we’re supposed to be the stealthy sniping division

[late eagle]

^ Our capes makes us too obvious lol

We cant blend in with the other raiders like MDF can

[solar stratus]

lowkey

what do sthd look like at night with neons off

[eager meadow]

W suggestion, please add

[dusky lion]

i do have to say i almost shoot mdf multiple times cause withput the cape it really is hard to diffrentiate them

[late eagle]

If you see a cape its easily identifiable as STHD

[dusky lion]

yeah

[eager meadow]

Doesn’t really matter regardless sadly since most raiders have NV and it is easily buyable for any wastelander as well smh

[late eagle]

Sticks out like a sore thumb with nvg

MDF is basically impossible to identify with neons off

[dusky lion]

i have seen raiders use berets to look like mdf too

not usually but sometimes

[late eagle]

Some wannabe sthd raiders also cop the cape 😭 🙏

[dusky lion]

with sthds cape its way harder to do this

• the scarf or whatever you call it

[late eagle]

Ngl if WE HAD TO PICK ONE im fine with the fog thing being added 🙏 🙏

That shit changes so much 😭

[rapid elk]

what fog

u mean extra vision?

[late eagle]

Yes

Maybe a binocular tool could be added that lets us see the name and faction of the target if within field of view and zoomed in at them.

[magic elm]

Would be bad

Would force u to stand still without cover basically

[late eagle]

True... but thats just a risk factor. Its better than having to go up in their face to identify them.

STHD should have a method of reliably identifying targets from long distances.

[orchid cobalt]

i always thought it would be cool if ur scopes could scan people kos status but that might be a stetch

[rapid elk]

I don't think chairman would free to design a new entire system

Giving us vision would be much easier

[orchid cobalt]

thats why i said its a stretch

[rapid elk]

Indeed

@gentle iris Why did you deny it an explanation or opinion would be good

[gentle iris]

Range buff seems too op

[eager meadow]

buff aegis, raider no likey

[rapid elk]

Do you have another way where I would be able to identify the difference between two full black indviduals?

[rapid elk]

I know but I'm taking opinions

[gentle iris]

Tracker? idk

[rapid elk]

Does not work and you can figure out more information if you join STHD.

I wouldn't be complaining if I can track everyone in game whenever I wish to.

[gentle iris]

Range wont really change that

[rapid elk]

It surely will.

I'll be able to view someone's avatar/username before terminating them, as well as I'll be able to identify targets from far range.

[late eagle]

If you were in STHD you would know that the tracker is HOT GARBAGE

[gentle iris]

perhaps a rework on thr terakcer

trakcer

tracker

[magic elm]

Won’t help at all

[chrome cradle]

1. You have long-range equipment: what else does a specially trained hitman need other than a sniper?
2. They shouldnt have an increased zoom out camera distance but if anything a slight increase in their non-fog vision. If you have trouble identifying targets by their mere avatar, there are many factors which you definitely know about.
3. Sthd are meant to be snipers: they go on roofs, towers, etc thus they do not require lots of armour, unlike mdf who are supposed to be in the frontlines
4. Same reply than 2 and 3. Plus, the "buffs" that mdf is given is automatic weapon + middle armour = fast paced combat. The "non range buffs" of sthd are a sniper that can take out most threats in one shot. To balance it, lessen their armour
5. Dev issues
6. It shouldnt be silent but the noise could be supressed to a certain degree. Moreover, I believe it would be neat to have sthd's grappler being toggleable between fast (current) and stealth modes (much more slower but slightly audible)

[magic elm]

There’s a game pass that prevents it no matter how much buffed it will be

[gentle iris]

So is the issue identifying raider between wastelander or raider between aegis

[chrome cradle]

No its W

[magic elm]

There’s multiple issues.

Starting with us having less armor than fucking ard

[gentle iris]

Armor yeah, idm that

that can be increased

The haut 12 could be silent definitely

[magic elm]

Then us being “hit mans and stealth” yet we aren’t even stealth at all, and there’s so much shit that just doesn’t allow us to do long range

[gentle iris]

i think the vanta black on the cape gives sthd away

if you go on chairmans tower

and look in the wasteland

u have esp on all sthd

Pretty nuch

in the night

from ANY DISTANCE

[magic elm]

Our tracker, insanely bad. Game pass prevents it, u need a whole other division to activate it, always has so much fucking glitches and doesn’t work

[late eagle]

Lol

[gentle iris]

same with aia ofc

[magic elm]

Only thing good we have is the grappler

And everyone can get it

[late eagle]

I dont even think disruptor stops the MDF sensor

[night elbow]

I agree with everything but

[late eagle]

Which is insane work

[magic elm]

A worse version , but we don’t even have anything that helps us in being “hit mans” and “stealth” and “long range”

[gentle iris]

Thats actually something they should add to the disruptor

[night elbow]

i want to still get a haut12 still

[magic elm]

And we’re more weak that any division basically

[zinc panther]

@slim elm remove ur and add a then 😭

[gentle iris]

What if youy dont need aia, you can track with a delay and its pretty mid, but if u use aia it bypasses the gamepass and is better

[magic elm]

Now if we had stuff helping us in long range sure. But that’s now even a thing

[magic elm]

Chairman won’t add shit that bypasses a game pass

[gentle iris]

its a pretty cheap gp

[chrome cradle]

Are there that many raiders with disrupter on

[gentle iris]

Na

[magic elm]

That’s not even the point

[chrome cradle]

Uo should be allowed to put ppl on the tracker

[rapid elk]

1. A hitman's gear isn't only a simple sniper, if we talk gameplay wise, everyone has a sniper doesn't mean they're an STHD.

2. fog is basically zoom out camera same idea won't be a huge difference but you're basically agreeing with my suggestion.

3. Snipers with no gear, and one of the lowest armor as a combative division.

4. 150 armor isn't middle, LRP isn't that powerful if you can be easily killed by any indvidual in a moment even if they're using non one-shot weapons.

5. I don't this would make this item exclusive for STHD at all, still that it can be crafted by anyone.

[magic elm]

Tracker always has issues, and you need a whole other division that has the least amount of members simply because they are exclusive to allow it for you

[zinc panther]

That’s what I want as well

Prevents rk reports I don’t see the issue

[dusky lion]

the sniper is useless for hit requests because we have to get close to make sure we are shooting the right guy anyway, cause 95% of raiders look all the same

[rapid elk]

I'm not saying we should remove it, we should upgrade STHD's one.

[dusky lion]

and we all know how people react when we mistake someone...

[late eagle]

My suggestion is just to add some way to identify our targets from a distance without being close to them.

Hence why i suggested the binoculars. Zoom in on them and their names and faction would be revealed to you which would allow you to engage from a longer distance. Even if they have a full black avatar.

[magic elm]

Only content we have is actual shit that I needed to add or other retired divisional leaders simply because all the dev stuff we get just suck

[zinc panther]

Moffs idea of sthd exclusive grapple points would also be a great buff

[magic elm]

Agreed

[rapid elk]

I've added it into the suggestion for a reason.

[zinc panther]

Ikik

[night elbow]

yeah I can agree with that but I’m still kinda mad I had schematics once and couldn’t do the quest bc of a stupid bug with the npc

[rapid elk]

@chrome cradle If tracker was as powerful as you're thinking I would've not posted this suggestion since the beginning.

[chrome cradle]

I actually dont like that anybody can get the haut

[rapid elk]

Same for you @gentle iris

[gentle iris]

I know, i think a rework could go into it

[rapid elk]

I'm not just asking developers to make STHD that one OP division.

I'm basically asking to make it more special and actually given useful gear.

[chrome cradle]

Ive always though of tracker as a secondary tool

[magic elm]

Tracker used to be good

[slim elm]

[magic elm]

I used to use it a lot

I didn’t use it in like 8 months

[dusky lion]

i have never used the tracker in my sthd career

[rapid elk]

I've used STHD tracker 5-6 times

[late eagle]

Rarely used btw for OBVIOUS reasons 😭

[rapid elk]

And it's barely useful.

[hollow iron]

Good idea idk about the grappler though

[dusky lion]

not that i HAD THE CHANCE to

[amber ravine]

I agree with the armor being low and should be increased, and I somewhat agree with haut 12

the long distance nvgs just dont make sense and seem unfair when fighting

[magic elm]

Simply because it’s always glitchy, and it’s so much work especially now where they made the terminal more far away

[slim elm]

Well it's not supposed to be really fair

That's the point

[chrome cradle]

Did they fix it yet

[slim elm]

PKSFs shield isn't fair either

[late eagle]

No...

[magic elm]

Takes around 3 minutes to simply track someone after aia put them on the tracker. Then after that once they die you needa go back again / if they have a disrupter it doesn’t help.

[hollow iron]

@rapid elk why u trying to restrict the grappler

[chrome cradle]

Oh hell nah 😭 😭

[amber ravine]

this is a blacklisted suggestion btw

[chrome cradle]

I thought they'd had by this time

[rapid elk]

STHD is supposed to be given specialized gear, for far-range, as well as this suggestion would solve multiple reports and RK issues.

[slim elm]

We're supposed to have somewhat of an advantage except the great amount of 89 armor that we get

[rapid elk]

I'm not, read the suggestion again please.

[amber ravine]

yes but 95% of the time sthd fight up close with raiders hardly ever fighting far away

[rapid elk]

he's officer

[slim elm]

What exactly

[rapid elk]

he placed the suggestions

[hollow iron]

Also the aal vision isn’t what you think

[magic elm]

Simply because long range is so buns

[amber ravine]

all the times ive fought u were up close bro theres no need for long range nvgs

[slim elm]

I wonder why

[zinc panther]

Oh mb

[hollow iron]

That’s a no for the aal vision

[late eagle]

Literally just add binoculars that lets us see the name and faction of the target from a distance if we focus at them with it. 🙏 😭

[magic elm]

Bro. He’s been fighting close range because long range has so much issues

It’s not realistic

[rapid elk]

I wouldn't be close if I was able to actually spot you from far range???????

[dusky lion]

because we cannot fight them from far away, we are just risking rk because we cannot see who is who

[rapid elk]

Use IQ???

[magic elm]

Therefore we are required to fight close up

[slim elm]

If we shoot a raider with 180 hp and 800 armor with an LRP it's like throwing rocks at a tank

That's why fighting up close with camping is smarter for most STHD

[rapid elk]

wdym by that?

[amber ravine]

exactly

i can tank like 5 sthd sniper shots to the head

awesome sauce

[hollow iron]

The aal vision is because you sit in the chair

[magic elm]

That’s why u should fund all sthd gamepasses gsc

[hollow iron]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-gif-13246854

[rapid elk]

https://discord.com/channels/1063435828556206141/1085808695352492052 please look at this

[slim elm]

So we agree on needing an advantage to have a chance to be an actual hitman

[amber ravine]

no cause im blacklisted

[rapid elk]

you keep forgetting I'm a pilot

💀

[zinc panther]

This is why we should give some value to the lrp by giving it some sort of identification purpose like a kos checker or even just a name checker

[rapid elk]

And it does NOT work like that.

[hollow iron]

Yea

[royal trellis]

the division's armor was intended to be low (at least on my part), as your combat is mostly long distanced

Along with that, it's intended to balance well with a sniper, with sthd being capable of dealing high damage at a low rate of fire, whilst still being weak enough to be able to be countered up-close, encouraging weapon use at long distances

This isn't entirely so though, considering the current balancing issues with in-game weapons, in which I hope to be fixed as soon as possible

[amber ravine]

i think the gun should turn into a 1tap to the head to make it actually worth while, but the nvgs just dont make sense

[rapid elk]

check 3.

simple

[slim elm]

I wonder what exactly is considered high damage

3 headshots to kill a raider

[magic elm]

Clloned our long range is ass. There’s many stuff that prevent us going long range. How the fuck do we have the least amount of armor than every other division?

[zinc panther]

Even if you look at sthd combatics we don’t have much armor so the armor staying low makes sense, however our gear should still make up for it

[amber ravine]

last time i checked 1 headshot to me does like 65 damage out of my 175 hp

[dusky lion]

im crying bro

[gentle iris]

Na it does alot more than that

[amber ravine]

gun is very buns

[magic elm]

Ur saying we have low armor cuz we’re supposed to be long ranging, then give us long range buffs?

[amber ravine]

nah it doesnt bro 😭

[gentle iris]

its 2/3 headshot 1 tap

for highest p2w raider

[slim elm]

Last time I was in game I had to hit 3 lrp headshots to kill a raider

[royal trellis]

Again, the issues with gun balancing are of my concern, which I did mention

[hollow iron]

Sorry ur sniper is useless to p2w raiders with a million hp

[slim elm]

Without them healing obviously

[zinc panther]

When I fight people who aren’t using 100k+ in gamepasses it is more effective

[chrome cradle]

This could be interesting but the firerate should be nerfed

[amber ravine]

yes but if ur popping medkit and turkey and heavykev its 6 headshots

[magic elm]

Any div gun btw^

[chrome cradle]

Special "abilities" for div weapons

[late eagle]

Our long range is hot garbage because 99% of the time we cant even identify who we are shooting. Most of it is spent in close range engagements because everyone has the same full black avatar or accidentally tking MDF that have their neons off.

[hollow iron]

Yea probably not gonna change

[amber ravine]

yes, i mean they are supposed to be hitmen and theyre sniper should kill with a headshot it makes sense, but the firerate is kinnda quick

[magic elm]

That’s not even the point tho

[dusky lion]

yeah raiders dont just sit there and take it

[amber ravine]

why not just turn the sthd sniper into musket bro solves every problem

gg

issue resolved

il take my gold medal

[chrome cradle]

Making it 1 tap to head but only works in a certain distance (so u dont spam it cqc) + firerate nerfed

[orchid cobalt]

mainly an issue development wise, and there are other solutions to this issue

[royal trellis]

I agree, which is a problem in terms of weapon balancing

STHD should have a decent sniper, which they unfortunately don't have in comparison to most gamepasses

[slim elm]

Doesn't sound like a bad idea to me

[magic elm]

I’d be fine with low armor if I’d actually be able to do long range combat. I’ve been in sthd for nearly 3 years and I never sit on cliffs to snipe as it’s legit unrealistic. It’s an insane disadvantag, many risks in rking as it’s nearly impossible to identify people from afar unless they have a special avatar.

[rapid elk]

• Remember that LRP isn't particularly powerful.

• All combative divisions are given gear that helps them with their speciality/main duty, such as the PKSF Shield, MDF armor, and Jugg armor.

• STHD is the only division that is not provided with useful combatics gear to help them in carrying out their tasks.

[slim elm]

So the development team sees the problem but does nothing about it

[amber ravine]

your gear was supposed to be the haut12 iirc but that sucks

[slim elm]

Or what

[late eagle]

Trackers barely used btw ifyk yk why.

[sonic wing]

is this peak?

[late eagle]

Everyone can utilize their gear whenever.

[dusky lion]

i feel like we are forgetting that one of the main issues is that we CANNOT see who we are shooting at from long range

[late eagle]

Ours needs requirements

[amber ravine]

yeah ik that and ik how sthd works but haut12 was supposed to be your gear iirc

the grapple gun thing

[dusky lion]

most of sthd is using gamepass guns anyway

[chrome cradle]

^^

[amber ravine]

but its like not even that good

using haut12 has a 25% chance to kick u by the anticheat if u clip through the building when going up

😭

[slim elm]

Well we do that for a reason

[late eagle]

😭

[rapid elk]

• A tracker that STHD cannot use freely, and must request assistance from other individuals.

• HAUT-12, any indvidual can get it.

None else.

[royal trellis]

I can't do anything about this, I can only bring up my own concerns and ideas

Coded and a couple others are working together in terms of anchor 4, which should hopefully be released with balancing adjustments

It'll likely take a bit, but my progress is and has been made behind closed doors

[amber ravine]

yes im agreeing with you bud

sthd armor should be increased
and the gun should be buffed alot more

[magic elm]

@royal trellis ? Since the tracker came out it has been bugged / broken and insanely unrealistic. U rely on a whole other division to put people for you, you need to go all the way to the end of the sthd wing to track, and then either the raider dies and you need to go back or they own a cheap game pass that just denies the whole system.

[amber ravine]

anchor 4 drops when city drops in 25 years

[slim elm]

Oh I see

[rapid elk]

you know what

I'll add this into my suggestion as well

Let STHD deal with tracker by themselves

💀

[amber ravine]

iirc someone told me that city update was supposed to come out in 2019 or something thats crazy

[gentle iris]

Bro thats wjat io said

lsiten here

ok

[late eagle]

Lol you might as well go for your Masters atp

Never coming out

[gentle iris]

standard tracker : sthd can use with a moderate delay with no aia
gud tracker: aia allow sthd to use op tracker or som shit

[amber ravine]

city comming out 2040 trust

[magic elm]

@royal trellis And then whenever you try to long range your either reported for rk as it’s impossible to identify the wastelands unless they have a unique avatar, or stuff such as your low view and fog prevent you from that. In addition if we long range at least make us stealth. Mdf who aren’t supposed to be stealth are more stealth than us. We stand out from afar by many ways and we are t any stealth at all. I’d accept low armor if we could actually properly long range, but simply because these shit content buffs we can’t do anything

[chrome cradle]

I believe coded had said once that the city was the last card update when they ran out of ideas

[dusky lion]

i feel like buffing the lrp aint gonna do nun if we still cannot tell who we are shooting at...

[amber ravine]

i dont know how much i can say about other divisions gear but i see no reason why sthd gun cant be buffed lol

[dusky lion]

just ignoring what im saying

[royal trellis]

Im not entirely sure of the balancing for sthd's tracker, mostly due to my lack of access to such during its development

If you have any ideas, please forward them to me or any qa members, as we can forward them towards the qa server, and hopefully to dylan - alternatively, you may also make a feedback post

[young shell]

everyone upvote

[chrome cradle]

I refuse

😈

[young shell]

make us stronger than pksf

[amber ravine]

yeah lets just give sthd a custom sniper scope that when you aim in at someone you see theyre name avatar account age and everything just give them exploits

[magic elm]

We’re talking in a feedback post and this was brought up multiple times. Even if the tracker bugs are fixed, why the fuck do we need aia to put a person on the tracker for us? And why the hell do we need to “retrack” them each time they die? And then a simple game pass prevents a whole system. How am I expected to fight long range ?

[amber ravine]

when i was in sthd i had no problem killing people from far away if yall are unable to use ur eyes thats on u bro

[dusky lion]

listen man if you dont like it just dont get mad when we shoot the wrong guy because you all look the same...

[chrome cradle]

Giving the username after scoping down for a certain amount of time might be interesting

But straight free name esp aint good

[slim elm]

Cap detected

[dusky lion]

what is it with you guys thinking we want esp

[chrome cradle]

Thats what you (rarely) use tracker for

[rapid elk]

^Updated.

[chrome cradle]

Newgen

[dusky lion]

i js want to be able to not have to get within 10 feet of a raider to see if i can shoot them

[magic elm]

We’d use it often if it was realistic.

[slim elm]

Good argument

[magic elm]

No one’s walking 4 minutes to track a guy just for them to die and then they needa redo it

[amber ravine]

just check accessories, and clothing

its not that hard bro

[chrome cradle]

Back in my dayssss we could spot a fly in a 1 kilometer radius

[magic elm]

Half of the raiders have the same black avatar

[amber ravine]

match gamepasses then, if they dont have hat or if they dont have titan

[chrome cradle]

Or go by the general rule that any pitch-black avatar is kos

[amber ravine]

real shit

[late eagle]

• The whole identification thing can easily be mitigated if they added a way to identify the person from a distance so you dont accidentally RK. We are meant to be a long range surveillance squad. Our lethality has to come from our range and ability to spot you easily.

Either consider adding binoculars that lets us see the name and faction of the target when focused at them or add some other way to make target identification easier.

Adding this would make us function as a scout for other divisions as well allowing for good coordination with other divisionals.

[rapid elk]

Most of them are p2w

no raider is f2p

[dusky lion]

black shirt-black pants-black skintone, all the gamepasses, maybe when you were sthd raiders were a bit more creative but not now

[rapid elk]

the only difference you can locate rarely within diffrent raiders are some of them having st.patrick hat and some don't.

[chrome cradle]

Binoculars 🤤

[amber ravine]

match gamepasses alot of raiders dont have st patricks hat

[slim elm]

Reported for RK multiple times btw

[orchid cobalt]

yes give STHD the binoculats that the clone troopers have

[amber ravine]

im not reported for rk only tk bro

get it right

[chrome cradle]

Hey i sometimes wear cute avatars

[slim elm]

Cap detected

[rapid elk]

#🚶player-reports message

go look

[dusky lion]

so what if there are two wastelanders with the same gamepasses, but only one is kos, you want me to just take the gamble?

[rapid elk]

You're full black or full gray

90% of the time

[chrome cradle]

The 10% of the time ur not looking

[rapid elk]

sometimes you wear anime avatars

[chrome cradle]

😮‍💨

[amber ravine]

does this look like rk to u

[chrome cradle]

Yo thats mine wtf

[zinc panther]

Before I joined sthd that was how I imagined our work to be, however now I know that’s just far from reality and we’re more akin to being mdf but just with snipers

[orchid cobalt]

shoulda joined AED bro

[amber ravine]

does this look like rk to you

[slim elm]

Reported ≠ warned

[rapid elk]

The suggestion has everything included in it

[zinc panther]

I’m more of an ARD guy srry

[amber ravine]

what sc is ingame

[orchid cobalt]

tell that to the academy 😂

[chrome cradle]

Tbf, especially due to the last updates, mdf and sthd have became the same

[gentle iris]

Well if u know someones kos by their avatar shoot them if u dont, wait till they do something to make them kos

[chrome cradle]

Mrt and sau seem the same

I dont like that

[zinc panther]

Keep this thread on topic son

[slim elm]

1 step tutorial on how to die or get reported:

[rapid elk]

I don't think that means "Taking out threats swiftly"

Or carrying out duties quickly.

If I'm gonna wait to get closer to them or just wait till they pull out a weapon and kill me.

[gentle iris]

if u dont know if they are a threat dont shoot

its not that hard

[rapid elk]

"Don't take the risk"

[late eagle]

Defeats the whole point of being long range with no armor 😭

[slim elm]

Yeah just wait till bzerk stands infront of a f2p STHD and pulls out his 1s

[gentle iris]

i think its pretty obvious that im kos

i wear the same avatar every time

[chrome cradle]

Blud if i see 2 same avatar* guys and only 1 of em is not kos im obv not gonna shoot em 💀

[rapid elk]

no

[magic elm]

Yea

and then they get into the border

and then u get blamed

[amber ravine]

i love following around sthd and just killing them randomly so fun

[magic elm]

for letting them into the border

and not doing anything

[rapid elk]

You're gray, st patrick hat full p2w

[royal trellis]

I understand your concerns, but do you have any proposals as to the solutions (i.e how stealth could be achieved for sthd or rebalancing of the hit system)?

I know sthd has many problems, though as someone who doesn't have access to what sthd uses, I can only rely on your or other sthd's feedback

There've been attempts at correcting some problems, though they obviously haven't worked out quite well

[zinc panther]

Yea now put 5 people in game with the same avatar some kos some not

[gentle iris]

no one blames for that

[slim elm]

Other people's avatars aren't as obvious

[magic elm]

DMs

[gentle iris]

That doesnt happen much

im using grey skin tone

and i have all gps

and im always shooting aegis

im never acting like im not kos

[zinc panther]

I don’t mean just for you but rather just all the people who use the black skin tone

[rapid elk]

The suggestion can you help you find the answer/solution to some of the issues.

[royal trellis]

I'll take note

[neon tinsel]

yet i still check twice before shooting cuz i get reported often

[zinc panther]

The typical raider attire

[rapid elk]

I have an entire STHD suggestion regarding the hit-system but in a different SERVER. If you wish to see it I can DM it to you clloned.

[late eagle]

Thanks 🙏

[royal trellis]

Exactly, which is why I'm interested in sthd's propositions

[young shell]

make sthd nv highly reduce the depth of field(the thing that makes far distances blurry at night) when our nv is turned on. cuz it’s still blurry when u got nv on just reduce it significantly

[zinc panther]

Even adding 1 thing from this suggestion would be huge for us, and we understand some of these things would take some effort to implement

[rapid elk]

I'll provide it in dms.

[royal trellis]

Ty

[neon tinsel]

@gentle iris i almost got reported for killing somebody on jinxed

which is kos tower

[zinc panther]

Someone threatened to report me last night for rking them when they cracked ARD trade room

[neon tinsel]

lmao

[zinc panther]

💔

[neon tinsel]

frankly i sometimes risk and shoot everything black with st patricks hat

[magic elm]

yea

and then u get reported for rk

[neon tinsel]

i didnt get reported this week which is luck

[magic elm]

well ur just going off luck

[neon tinsel]

though i believe there were some instances of possible rk due to my unavailability to identify some people

[zinc panther]

👀

[neon tinsel]

the most annoying this is

when somebody is obviously affiliating with raiders

but technically they havent done anything to be labelled kos

especially

when it comes to handle intel

via pms

[young shell]

real, i legit can’t even shoot at half of the kos raiders because they all look the same and if i kill the wrong one i get reported

[chrome cradle]

Just run a temp kos and solved

[young shell]

add a rule the restricts similar avatars 🤑

[late eagle]

#1478490716039680092 message

[chrome cradle]

Tbf they should add the raider affiliation thing as a temp kos

Unless its already in place

[neon tinsel]

i physically cant do that while in wasteland

[young shell]

binoculars would leave us so open that’s the thing

[late eagle]

Vro... just be smart

Better than going in their face

[young shell]

that’s hard for me😔

[chrome cradle]

Like if they r just chatting then no need
But if they are helping to protect a subject, printers, guard a rift or gather intel then maybe.. however it'd be a rather subjective rule to moderate

[neon tinsel]

binoculars are useless cuz u can see stuff pretty well even within the border of ur render range

[neon tinsel]

here's the actual solution

[chrome cradle]

Submarine binoculars ahhh

[chrome cradle]

Nice wallpaper leak

[late eagle]

If you spent 10 more seconds reading you would know that its meant to reveal the name and faction of the player your focusing on

[neon tinsel]

ohh i think thats technically impossible

[late eagle]

[zinc panther]

[neon tinsel]

well maybe it is

but

according to my free camera mode experience

idk

that'll be tough thing to make real i guess

[late eagle]

I see NO reason for it to be complex to add

[young shell]

add a thing onto the sniper scope that does what the binoculars goryix is talking abt

[late eagle]

Just have it shoot raycasts when you use it to focus on someone. The same way you guys do with weapons. If it hits the target then show the targets name

🤷‍♂️ Shouldnt be hard to do imo

[rustic path]

Sorry Aegis doesn't pay for your eye care

[inland lava]

holy yappers

[rapid elk]

opinions

And discussion.

[inland lava]

I need to read up hold up

[glacial coral]

Tuff

[silk prawn]

Electric 🥀

[opaque ingot]

idk this kinda buffs pksf

[silk prawn]

Pksf? UH???

How does this even involucrate pksf

[opaque ingot]

buffs pksf

think about it

[silk prawn]

Oh

Eh I don't think so

[opaque ingot]

of course a pksf would say that

[inland lava]

Aight here’s my yap:

for NV I yes you all should be able to actually see “further”/more clearly as STHD are literally snipers hiding in “plain sight”.

The armor argument is tricky because STHD seems is designed around positioning and ranged engagement rather than tanking damage like MDF hence the lower armor (for those saying why are we lower then MDF) .

The tracker/bounty system being unavailable is a bigger development side issue that should be fixed asap — ((Dev thing))

[rapid elk]

It's not NV it's far range vision being able to zoom out further

[rapid elk]

77 armor for Trialings is insanely low I'm not asking for it to be as exact as MDF but at least be useful

[rustic path]

Buffs STHD

[eager meadow]

You actually denied it with no reason other than “Buffs STHD”?

[quiet sedge]

What did you expect from tophat

[rustic path]

[royal trellis]

idk man

i uh

think it buffs sthd

no can do

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-dog-gif-14542099238045824336

[hollow lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/472407010042707989/1469443789901922385/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker.gif

[quiet sedge]

lowkenuinely cloned ima clone you

[royal trellis]

nvm i change my mind

[torn steeple]

why would sthd get better armor

[elfin void]

clloned

i hope you get kosed

[royal trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-waddle-waddler-the-waddler-waddle-cat-weird-walk-gif-9738668264510949101

[marsh canyon]

I mean, originally sthd was meant to be just snipers that gave support to cqc divisions like MDF and pksf which requires more amount of armor and sthd staying behind, so it's not really that relevant, about the vision I don't know about that since I never seen with your NV, but if it is bad I agree on improving it as you are snipers

Maybe to be a bit kind, Increasing your armor a bit but you can't expect to reach MDF or pksf levels as you arent cqc division

[royal trellis]

the nv is essentially just pksf's but a bit lighter on the eyes, assuming dylan hasnt changed it

so like, white/grey tinted

[marsh canyon]

Yeah then, if it's bad improve it a bit, since their gameplay is sniping

[royal trellis]

indeed

[marsh canyon]

But I don't agree with the armor part for the reasons I've stated

[merry dagger]

only change i really see necessary is having them have the ability to see through fog better, unless they already can see through fog more than others. i've never seen sthd nv so it's hard for me to know

also i don't know if that's possible from a dev perspective

[royal trellis]

it's possible, but it's ultimately up to dylan

[merry dagger]

you can set local fog intensity depending on a toggle?

im not gonna get too technical about it nvm, but ultimately i don't agree with haut 12 being silent, maybe more quiet if anything at all it's already fast af. also armor should be buffed only slightly if at all for reasons stated above.

[elfin void]

pretty sure its just a copy of pksfs nv but a bit more dark

[marsh canyon]

A magician will never reveal their tricks

[elfin void]

this is a photo from roof that i got from a clip

[merry dagger]

then yeah sthd should be able to see through fog better if that was possible

[royal trellis]

you can adjust how fog looks locally ye, such as pushing it farther back, changing the color, etc

[merry dagger]

then yeah i'd certainly do that. sthd not being able to see through fog when they're supposed to be long distance doesn't make sense, therefore they should ultimately see farther

[royal trellis]

maybe using a binoculars tool ye, but that's technically blacklisted

[merry dagger]

i would just make it specific to their weapons scope

[royal trellis]

i would say attaching it to their scope, but that creates a balancing issue, as they'd just be able to shoot people who absolutely wouldnt be able to shoot them

[merry dagger]

making it better than l11

[marsh canyon]

Converting sthd into an arma 3 sinper gameplay

[royal trellis]

lol

[elfin void]

how about

we give sthd aimbot

and fix the esp

[royal trellis]

lol

2x

[merry dagger]

i still think if anything that's a better idea than a binoculars, pushing back the fog even if slightly as their counter is to approach them close range. plus you can still see where the shots are coming from. if needed, just apply this to snipers in the game in general besides the 1s (already too op)

[marsh canyon]

oen more lol and you're getting trapped in a pot

[royal trellis]

applying them consistently wouldnt be to bad

i think that alongside a tool to allow for such similarly (for those without a sniper) could work well

[merry dagger]

that would make scopes actually useful in the game

[royal trellis]

indeed, i feel like all that really needs to be added for snipers now, is just a way to make them less-favorable at close distances

[merry dagger]

considering sthd's sniper is supposed to be better than l11, i'd also make there's slightly better in reducing fog too. just slightly

[merry dagger]

that's a problem that applies to one taps in general

[elfin void]

if lrp actually removed fog i'd zoom in so much more

[marsh canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/874132916177874954/1305810060412452905/ezgif-6-c27d53c407.gif

[marsh canyon]

@royal trellis I trapped you anyways

[royal trellis]

i'd personally just remove the flash, considering their sniper has a suppressor

[merry dagger]

that's also a good idea. either works

someone get me in the qa server rn 🙏

[marsh canyon]

why am I getting fih reacted

@royal trellis 😠😠😠

[royal trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/hammy-rotten-funny-aman-hamster-gif-27168635

[marsh canyon]

I will eat you for your crimes

[royal trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-shocked-cat-silly-cat-cat-kitten-gif-7414586676150300212

[rain magnet]

Radar you mean.

[stiff python]

sonar, radar, they're using the same principle

[dusky lion]

iirc military grade nvg (the most expensive one) removes fog

[rain magnet]

Ye.

[hollow iron]

Eh kinda

I would say mitigates the effects of fog

[rustic path]

It should completely remove it

🤫🧏

[young shell]

holy peak

75 upvotes

[elfin void]

76

aura

[rapid elk]

The reason I said zoom out vision and not fog clearance is so we can check individuals usernames as well.

We need to identify targets as we take out multiple individuals that match the same avatar.

I've once conducted a hit while there was 4 raiders matching each other exactly same avatar, same gear and there was no way to tell the difference between who's my target and who isn't. My solution was ending up by killing anyone I see in that avatar.

With the exact gear.

[heavy knoll]

80 upvotes wow

*buffs sthd

[rain magnet]

Sure.

Chairman buff sthd!!

[devout sable]

Hell yeah we need this.

[gaunt ice]

sm1 ping chairman here!

[magic elm]

He’s already notified

[wanton elk]

what if

[opaque ingot]

nerf sthd

no sniper only mp7

[wanton elk]

Dylanjkl never formed aegis

what if

Aegis was never created

[crude creek]

1. You have a sniper?

2 . What a nice way of unbalancing the game

3. Kevlar + default armor = 189 armor + Incursion/ lockdown plates 240, more than Heavy Kevlar alone

4. STHD is made to assist MDF and other divisions in their duties at long range, just go to a spot and wait until a raider shoots at AEGIS personnel

5. Have patience

6. I agree up to the silenced HAUT-12 part, but y’all already have an improved version of the grapple hook, while everyone else has a slower and worse grapple hook

[rapid elk]

Please make sense.

That's my only comment.

[crude creek]

💀

[rapid elk]

Recently, I haven't heard many fair arguments caused by Senior MDFs, with the second senior MDF being particularly unreasonable.

The statement "STHD is made to assist MDF" may not indicate that you have read my suggestion.
"Be patient." What are you even talking about at this point?

[crude creek]

mdf and other divs I said

and by be patient I meant just wait for the tracker/bounty system

[chrome cradle]

blud i think it's been bugged for over a year

😭

[crude creek]

average dod wait time

[chrome cradle]

no

average wait time is city

[crude creek]

LOL

[crude creek]

also what does it matter if I’m senior mdf if I were divisionless I would have said the same

if I were sthd I would have said the same

[chrome cradle]

low rank

😹

[crude creek]

I think sthd should get better tools to carry out their duties but not become a tank or steal mdf duties

[crude creek]

Ikr 😭

[whole solstice]

this

[heavy knoll]

this

[whole solstice]

give STHD better tools so they can actually use their sniper

lackluster night vision isn't gonna do anything

I think STHD armor is fine as it is, MDF and PKSF have more armor since they don't have long ranged weapons and engage in close range combat

[neon tinsel]

yall shoud make sthd spiners better

spinners

LMAO

[dusky lion]

1. yes we do I'm surprised you don't know this

2. personal opinions honestly not much I can say about that (depends on how much op you think that is, imo there are better solutions)

3. Same applies to every division, this doesn't make much sense imo

4. STHD isn't made to assist other divisions we just do that because combative divisions are supposed to cooperate

5. no comment other than it has been broken since I have memory

6. it doesn't really help the idea of improving long range combat I am not sure why the hook is being talked about

[whole solstice]

I think snipers are fine as is

mp7 needs a buff

[rapid elk]

Please keep this on topic.

[whole solstice]

all divisional weapons do, but they keep getting nerfed because cash cows keep complaining

[rapid elk]

There's already 600+ messages and I don't want this chat to be flooded.

[dusky lion]

doesn't exactly solve the idea of not being able to identify who we are shooting at

[neon tinsel]

actually that was the random idea

so

[whole solstice]

both M16 and FPK need to be reverted to their original balance (if FPK was even nerfed), mp7 and p90 need buffs, pksf shield needs a nerf

[rapid elk]

So far 3 MDFs commented about my suggestion without even reading it. I've never mentioned the LRP, as it's not really a way to identify our targets, nor does it make STHD exclusive by having a scope to zoom in.

If you're gonna keep talking about divisional weapons might as well make a new suggestion about it.

Thank you.

[neon tinsel]

being unable to identify people at the very end of ur render range is a usual thing

usually as mdf i rely on other divisionals around the area

so if i notice the guy attacks any of them - i open fire

[dusky lion]

yeah well thing is

sthd can't really afford to wait until a raider fires at them

[glacial coral]

Dont nerf pksf shield

[neon tinsel]

either way on tablist

u can identify people via kills and sounds

and so via tablist

[whole solstice]

it would still tank 1s shot, just have less overall for spray weapons to take it down faster

[chrome cradle]

their nv is basically civilian's grade right

[whole solstice]

yeah

[chrome cradle]

crazy

they should get the best of all nv

even pksf's better

[neon tinsel]

lore wise 1s was designed for anti-tank usage

[dusky lion]

I don't really read lore but I'm not sure if the gameplay really follows it properly

anyway that's about PKSF not sthd

[neon tinsel]

it doesnt

if it was

[whole solstice]

divisions in general need a buff

[neon tinsel]

dews could be a really rare weapons

and also hard to refill

cuz for each charge u need

fedorlite

[rapid elk]

• STHD's current equipment and gear given have 0 use for long-range advantage; that's why this suggestion is about giving STHD actual useful gear to be able to locate and identify targets from far range.

Keep in mind the tracker is broken and even if it was fixed STHD cannot use it freely unless assisted by other divisions.

If you're gonna say "they have a sniper" there's a sniper in the AEGIS armory and Intiates can buy it, does not make them STHD. A sniper scope does not really assist in identifying targets from far range.

If you're gonna give your opinion regarding this suggestion then, please read it.

[whole solstice]

LRP is stronger than L11

If you're hoping for any meaningful buffs they won't happen, especially when it comes to weapons and armor

[opaque ingot]

lrp does like 18 more penetrative headshot damage

[whole solstice]

For tools I agree with it

[opaque ingot]

not really substantial

[rapid elk]

I really am tired of repeating the same sentence saying read my suggestion. a SNIPER with a REGULAR SCOPE, does not HELP STHD identify targets from far range.

[quaint dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1384585231071187157/1384604986348011583/mejump2.gif

[whole solstice]

MDF and PKSF weapons are also slightly stronger variants of shop items

[rapid elk]

How the hell are you UC

[opaque ingot]

nobody is saying buff lrp

[quaint dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295937822863392769/1421991398986485780/togif.gif

[whole solstice]

damn that was a very tuff response

[gaunt ice]

..

[whole solstice]

no gun in the game has a special scope, if u can't buy it why do u think a division would get it

[quaint dew]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-sigma-alpha-how-bro-felt-after-saying-that-sigma-lion-gif-13957304746104521882

Are we deadass

[opaque ingot]

true i forgot you can buy sc tablet

[rapid elk]

And he continues on stupidity.

[opaque ingot]

thats a good point

[rapid elk]

I'm not gonna argue.

[quaint dew]

Right

[neon tinsel]

i believe lattice will resolve all issues regarding the tracking aspect
as for now u guys can come up with a hybrid methods like spying

[quaint dew]

Is this the smartest UC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1324415456177815682/1367010614110589010/9sem8g.gif

[whole solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[neon tinsel]

also think about learning ur target's playstyle and his average gameplay

like what he usually does ingame

where he goes

what he achieves

etc

[whole solstice]

So they want tools to help then snipe better

I said I agreed with that like 5 minutes ago

[neon tinsel]

for example there are raiders who wanna kill people like bots and thats it

people who joins just to fight someone worthy

[rapid elk]

It's not as simple as you think.

[neon tinsel]

people whos into researching stuff

[rapid elk]

Once a raider figures out he's being tracked they change their behavior/gameplay fully.

Just to avoid it.

[neon tinsel]

it doesnt happen practically

[rapid elk]

I don't think you've conducted an STHD hit-request before did you?

You'd understand why we need gear to identify individuals from far range if you've tried it.

SImply raiders most of the time match each other, help each other even protect each other to avoid the hit request or any method.

Even if they aren't on a hit request normally or most of KOS individuals placed on the KOS list are either fully black and got full P2W gear. So it's hard to identify the difference between KOS and non-KOS.

[whole solstice]

before it broke could tracker track multiple people at the same time or just one

[rapid elk]

Unless you approach closer and can see their username. This is not the usual style for STHD's long-range division.

[rapid elk]

It's always one person at a time.

That's how it always been.

[whole solstice]

maybe it could be changed to multiple to avoid situations like these

[rapid elk]

That's why we're expecting more advanced gear or just revamp the entire tracker and give STHD the authority to manage with it by themselves.

[whole solstice]

or maybe whilst targeting someone it tracks all KOS people so u don't accidentally RK

[whole solstice]

it's stupid how u can't do it alone

[rapid elk]

We need AIA.

[whole solstice]

I know

it's already a big enough issue that u need another division but on top of that it's AIA

[rapid elk]

And I'm not going to spam AIA agents every second I see a KOS individual.

[fresh junco]

In general it’s just rare to see an AIA in game as well

[whole solstice]

yeah that

[fresh junco]

so eternity lwky right idk why we can’t manage it ourselves

[rapid elk]

That's why I mentioned it in my suggestion.

[fresh junco]

Yea

[rapid elk]

At least grant STHD OW+ permission to place targets and bounties.

[whole solstice]

tracking multiple people at the same time would also be good

[fresh junco]

Yeah but if they put a little username on which one is which

[rapid elk]

And this can be done by either giving STHD OW+ special clearance card that unlocks AIA wing and more areas.

Or as a second option, place an office within the STHD wing where STHD can place bounties and track individuals.

[fresh junco]

That would be good

[rapid elk]

Of course there will be multiple restrictions and limits to STHD OW+ if they get access to AIA wing.

[whole solstice]

it should be moved from it

why not put it in STHD quarters

[fresh junco]

Ikr

[rapid elk]

I don't wanna say "REMOVE it from AIA" because I don't think AIA will approve that.

[whole solstice]

it shouldn't be an aia thing imo

in everyone's oppinion*

[rapid elk]

I still agree they should have access to give us special bounties and add individuals on the tracking system. But not fully manage it by themselves.

STHD should have more authority dealing with such duty as we're the one's to conduct it.

@whole solstice And if you agree with the suggestion, then react to it.

[whole solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

I agree with everything but the armor buff

[clear nest]

Something I haven’t seen as well is when the person you track leaves it just completely removes them from the hitlist

[rapid elk]

Yes that's also very frustrating.

[clear nest]

So if they know they are being tracked they can just leave and boom no more track on them

[rapid elk]

Hits that are placed on the bounty system shouldn't be removed until removed by an AIA Agent.

That should also be included.

[clear nest]

Yea exactly either not until they are removed or until the kill count has been fulfilled

You should add that because it’s so annoying

[rapid elk]

I'll inform clloned.

[neon tinsel]

honestly non-kos people never realize they're under hit request until they get killed few times by sthd
sometimes they even can approach u or approach the killzone (basically ur render range) so they can clip instances of "rk"
if the target happens to be aware of hit request system, he either can stop "pretending" to be innocent around u, or actually start hiding which is a really rare scenario unless he carries important items like ecofact stuff, needles batteries moonstone or fedorlite
hidingin the crowd is even more rare scenario which is rather a ragebaiting startegy against sthd

if u cant identify ur target, u can take time and keep tracking all suspects (like if 1 of them is ur target but u dont know who exactly among them) until ur target gets a kill in tablist
so relying on the just registered kill u may figure out whether there is a target among ur tracked people or not

one of other ways to figure out location (especially beyound ur render range) is subjective - shot sounds, tablist again, listening to combos, riftscanner at some scenarios, stabiliser-connecting-to-the-rift sounds, explosion sounds sometimes, mining sounds when camping on rdm (super duper rare), breathing sounds when too close to z14 (never experienced it myself so i assume its useless), pa equipping sounds, digging sounds, rift scanner beeping (while u are inside any cave system or inside any facility), coolant pumps disabling sounds, cracking sounds, cracking very deep sounds (warehouse), long cracking sounds (ard labs), long cracking sound and then another long cracking sound (raider going to lab 3), power-up and steam sounds (aia wing),

as the last resort u may team up with other divisional or with ur own people

[rapid elk]

We don't have to only eliminate hits/bounties. We carry out other duties and eliminate other specific individuals for multiple reasons.

And again using basic wasteland and game knowledge/tactics isn't something new to STHD

[neon tinsel]

if u believe sthd needs specificly a gear - idk, personally i believe in lattice

[neon tinsel]

moreover walac can add anything there

[quaint dew]

Holy yap

[rapid elk]

Yes, special gear, so STHD is actually more exclusive than other individuals when doing far-range combat or identifying targets/wastelanders for multiple reasons.

[neon tinsel]

as another guess

http requests

since u can make it so ur game can send any kind of information

to external enviroments like

discord

and so to ur discord bot

its possible to make a live map

and put it into a discord bot

or make any other mechanic that would allow u to track people's location using a discord bot

thats pretty much possible

but again

[neon tinsel]

yall need walac

[lone shell]

euy yup

[quiet sedge]

Are you actually trying to ragebait or are you serious

[quiet sedge]

With that wonderful idea why don’t we get MDF’s alarm on sale

3999 robux

Or a buyable variant of the PKSF shield

Right?

I love how every time a decent suggestion is made people become the durr-est they possibly can just to try and shut it down

[crude creek]

Completely serious, my whole message is based on game knowledge and my own thoughts, and it wasn’t made in any way to rage bait STHD

just making it clear cuz sthd literally made mdf leadership point a gun at my head to censor me about speaking about sthd again

[lone shell]

the information contained in your message seems... short sighted

[crude creek]

I mean, like I said before I think STHD should get better tools to carry out their duties

[lone shell]

"STHD is made to assist MDF and other divisions in their duties at long range, just go to a spot and wait until a raider shoots at AEGIS personnel"
in reference to a statement in requesting for identifiers of raiders

[crude creek]

But most things in the suggestion in my opinion would make STHD more and more like MDF, I do agree STHD should get something to efficiently carry out hits and their hitmen duties, but I don’t think having a super op vision is the fix

[lone shell]

threat negation requires early identification of the individual before they become a threat

[lone shell]

so, what is that?

MDF doesn't attack in silence

they strike with thunder

[crude creek]

STHD doesn’t attack in silence either, they take advantage positions and eliminate threats from a distance

They carry their elimination in silence

[hollow iron]

https://tenor.com/view/battleship-gif-26936399

[lone shell]

MDF's point is to be the elites of the border, to be the public figurehead of being the skilled but loud combatants, yes they can still take stealthy actions, their primary goal is to eliminate a already present threat, in which stealth is not necessary

[lone shell]

whats a sniper then

a sniper in any traditional sense is often someone whos stealthy and silent, striking quietly and fleeing

that is what sthd was planned to do

[hollow iron]

Just buff em but don’t rework em

[lone shell]

be the aegis equivilant of a traditional sniper

[hollow iron]

Buff sniper
Buff tracker

[crude creek]

just buff tracker

sniper is literally a free x33

[crude creek]

I mean that they don’t attack in silence because they don’t attack in the traditional way, they eliminate

MDF attacks, STHD eliminates

[hollow iron]

I have never seen a stud use a tracker before is that weird?

[lone shell]

MDF defends by striking groups of targets and tools/objects of interest
STHD defends by terminating specific individuals that create a threat of their own sufficient for their termination

[lone shell]

yes, and in hitmen elimination, they need to be stealthy to get the elimination

[crude creek]

Yes I agree

[elfin void]

i mean, you can be as loud as you want and still get it

[lone shell]

if a person is aware of the sthd, then their duty gets difficult

[elfin void]

stealth is only needed if you cant win your 1v1s

[lone shell]

im not saying its impossible

but its difficult for sthd to be hitmen if their targets know they're a target

[crude creek]

You are validating my point, STHD is a division that should be thought on the idea that they don’t engage in combat per se but rather avoid it by eliminating threats before they happen

[lone shell]

you're not communicating your point very clearly

[crude creek]

maybe I’m not

cuz it’s late

But yes what’s important here is to find a way for sthd to carry out their duties that doesn’t make them a tank or gives them a huge op buff

[lone shell]

this isn't making them a tank

this is making them a viable combatant in not only stealth but also in general combat

[crude creek]

I’m not saying this is about making them a tank

😭😭😭

I’m saying that it should never be that way

[lone shell]

tbh they kinda dookie at their primary objective in handling hitmen duties

not to the issue of themselves, they're not equipped properly for it
this is the suggestion to equip them properly for it

[lone shell]

it isnt and probably wont be

[crude creek]

Doesn’t the sniper do like 120 damage

😭

[zinc panther]

No it ain’t bruh

[lone shell]

to ze WiKi!!

or an sthd

[zinc panther]

Not with the armor these raiders got

[crude creek]

I heard so many sthd say the sniper is a x33

[crude creek]

ah then that’s not a sthd issue that’s a everyone issue

[lone shell]

the larp gun does 132 dmg with 31% pen according to wiki

[crude creek]

to kill someone well equipped with my x33 I have to hit them like 3 or 4 times

[zinc panther]

When I play against people with good financial decisions yes I’d say it’s similar

[crude creek]

Sthd sniper must be close to that too

[lone shell]

that is 40.66reoccuring damage

of hp for body shot

[zinc panther]

But idk I don’t have the x33

[lone shell]

raiders on average have about 120 to 160 hp i fink

[crude creek]

To kill a titanium raider with heart it’s 2 shots

[zinc panther]

Yao upvote the suggestion

[crude creek]

4 secs per shot

[lone shell]

• healing items

[crude creek]

no I don’t think this is the right fix for yall

[zinc panther]

Then what do u propose

[lone shell]

x33 does 50 more damage than the larp gun

[zinc panther]

The fog for example how is it bad if we can have visibility

[lone shell]

thats an increase of about 15 or smth

[zinc panther]

I’ve never been able to play as a traditional sniper

[crude creek]

in my opinion if yall get some kind of vision buff it should be given to wastelanders too in some way

Free preferably

[zinc panther]

Hell no

[crude creek]

Then it would make sthd the most op division

[zinc panther]

Why cause we can see better at night?

[crude creek]

Cuz yall would be the only ones in game with an op vision

Add a gamepass to that and boom

invincible

[lone shell]

so um
why do wastelanders need it

they dont need to identify their targets completely since we're identifiable
many raiders look like clones of eachother and with kos being an appealable mess, how do sthd confirm threats/targets

[zinc panther]

100%

[lone shell]

no... it wont

[zinc panther]

It’s not a issue for wasyelanders if they rk

[crude creek]

it’s such an unfair advantage

[zinc panther]

Unlike us

[crude creek]

Make the vision buff be used for 4 second and a 2 mins cooldown then

[lone shell]

and we need to defend a large area (quarry, roof) with many f2ps which raiders who are financially irresponsible pierce through like a kinfe on a room temperature bar of butter

shit once they get into basement levels, theres nolonger any cannon fodder to use

[crude creek]

That’s just the way DoD is made

The game is a business for the chairman

[lone shell]

sure if both aegis and wastelanders are equal in financial funding, suuure this might be reasonable
but its not

[lone shell]

._.

[zinc panther]

Why is it only an issue if we want to get some unique buffs

[lone shell]

the border is made the border way how amazing

hmm yes now that is a reasonable definitely for the game to remain unbalanced asf

let me see...

[crude creek]

truck, people spend 100+ usd on game passes in this game easy

no way that unfairness is gonna get fixed with all the money it moves

[lone shell]

so you agree that unfairness is evidently there

[crude creek]

in a money way yes

[lone shell]

there isn't an option to be a happy f2p raider

[crude creek]

actually

nah nvm

[lone shell]

yes do say

[crude creek]

I was gonna say a huge unc comment

[lone shell]

f2p raider not being an option and wandering wasteland isn't very fun
f2ps join aegis

[crude creek]

Before I was a f2p raider and it wasn’t that bad, but it changed a lot from back then

Now it’s hard to be a f2p raider

[lone shell]

m m m h m m m

:>

[crude creek]

LOL