raise officer quota

[prime gulch]

yeah yeah yeah y'all officers can hate me or wtv, when i was officer and uc there was never any situations where we needed "temporary duty markers", that's honestly just dumb. stop moving your duties to others, its YOUR duty. even before holidays i've seen it as a problem before and it shouldn't be happening. you see people going above their quota because they have to and that's what y'all should be doing but i'm hearing from people in my division their duty state hasn't been checked in like 3 days which is a huge problem for their divisional quotas. it's honestly stupid and shouldn't be a problem, in turn officer-vo should have quota raised to battle these influx of duty states

either that or just promote more officers... i know how the system works and it is NOT that hard

@near rapids give me reactions thanks

[velvet goblet]

or get more officers

[prime gulch]

ill add that

[near rapids]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1366501362040311948/1424510383506325685/togif.gif

[velvet goblet]

and like corpsii said change how aoa works

[prime gulch]

aoa shoudl get revamped entirely

aoa is genuinely SHIT

[velvet goblet]

make becoming an aa host easier

[prime gulch]

that can't get easier dawg

aa is gonna stay how it is

[velvet goblet]

yes bro

its copy and paste

[prime gulch]

the quota use to be 10 lessons a week....

be glad it got reduced to 2,3, and 4

[velvet goblet]

make afa easier to get instead of doing 50000 hours of aoa

more afa means more lesson

means promote more people to office

[prime gulch]

it's uc's fault officer+ dont get promoted and then toml's fault people don't get UC

we have like 7 ucs and the cap is ~15

[novel wraith]

@rose swift how many duty states did you grade?

[rose swift]

393

im gonna grade like 450 or something tho

just to get it down

[prime gulch]

what was the amount of ds before u started grading

[rose swift]

~450

i think

i think it was actually closer to 400

i had 110 yesterday

and graded up to 393 today

and now theres 166 unclaimed

[prime gulch]

@sly breach @tropic crypt @stoic estuary this is absurd 💀

[rose swift]

so 559 total

that werent graded

excluding the 110 yesterday

[prime gulch]

This is insane

so 669....

Absurd

[rose swift]

its wednesday tho and officers dont like grading early in the week

[prime gulch]

Would've never happened when i was uc

[prime gulch]

there should never even be 200+ duty states to grade

new officers are lazy

[rose swift]

😭

gonna get it down to 100 then ill be done

[novel wraith]

officers know other people will grade them if they dont...

[prime gulch]

which is the problem

[rose swift]

yeah me 😎

[prime gulch]

they're putting their literal quota and duties onto other people

[velvet goblet]

start firing officers

[rose swift]

they arent putting their duties onto other people

[velvet goblet]

promote me to officer

[rose swift]

theyre forcing higher ups to put their duties onto other people

[velvet goblet]

ori to wo

and muy to toml

[rose swift]

because they are waiting for people to do their duties

[prime gulch]

same difference

[rose swift]

ig

kp had to step in

and now im temp ds marker until they fire me or until i become officer

so thats cool

[prime gulch]

and you get NO compensation for that

that might come up in aa promos but it wont mean as much as other shit does

[velvet goblet]

temp ds markers should be given priority for officer promos

[rose swift]

we get quota exemptions

[velvet goblet]

or abolish the role

[prime gulch]

i know u get reduced quota

[velvet goblet]

and fire more officers

[rose swift]

i doubt it comes up in promotions

i doubt they gaf

[prime gulch]

which then puts your duties onto other people, however i can't speak on aa's side of things as i'm no longer apart of it

[rose swift]

im just helping to help

[prime gulch]

@lunar orchid rate my suggestion.

[rose swift]

ive been eligible for promo for like 2 weeks so now im just waiting and doing stuff to get active on paper

e.g., 450 duty states

💔

[novel wraith]

isnt officer quota 70 duty states graded?

or smth like that

[prime gulch]

when i was uc officer was 70, wo was 60, vo was 50

or something

[novel wraith]

probably it is still the same

[velvet goblet]

officer 100

wo 70

vo 4

[autumn depot]

How many ds are there daily

[novel wraith]

so oricomicai did like 6,42 weeks worth of quota in 1-2 days

[vagrant verge]

hell yeah

[subtle talon]

Would love to differ. Recruiting more people into the Officer corp is a better alternative.

[prime gulch]

"either that or just promote more officers... i know how the system works and it is NOT that hard "

[prime gulch]

idk

[novel wraith]

186 yesterday

[autumn depot]

And there are 16 officers, so 60-70 a week would be fine

[prime gulch]

lets say around 200 a day

7 x 200 = 1400

1400 ds a week

[autumn depot]

Yea 60 ds a week would be fine

[novel wraith]

22/12 = 227
23/12 = 165
24/12 =155
25/12 = 141
26/12 = 123
27/12 = 133
28/12 = 149

last week of duty states

1093

[autumn depot]

Instead of doing that can you go train instead? Please

[prime gulch]

1093

[novel wraith]

and that is while it was christmas week

[prime gulch]

yeah which is prob a lot lower than other weeks

[autumn depot]

Oh damn

[prime gulch]

bro when i was officer/uc people use to fight for duty states

[autumn depot]

Its 0:00 for me

New year

What am i doing here

[fresh warren]

times change.

[novel wraith]

29/12 = 180
30/12 = 186
31/12 = 18 (ongoing)

this week

[rose swift]

🔥

[rustic jolt]

6…..

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278056823227682890/1356396612842295556/togif.gif

In olden times we used to fight for duty states yea

I mostly wanted to do them cuz trialing officer

Luckily I got to do them before others

And now SCs sometimes complain that officers don’t check duty states in time

So it’s definitely an issue that needs to be fixed by overwatch and regcom

[austere falcon]

Can we promote oricomicai to officer

[velvet goblet]

promote realsatisfied to afa

promote me to afa

[green bay]

wdym

i should be AFA

[velvet goblet]

demote scp to wastelander

[green bay]

so you’re failing my AOA…

i see how it is

[tropic crypt]

🤔

I remember we discuss about this and it was shut down.

So...

[noble spindle]

all for making officers duties more painful 😈😈😈

[sly breach]

what am i supposed to do again

[winged nymph]

meanwhile the uc promo drought

theres like zero upward movement in the group lately

whos gonna be motivated to "go beyond" when you have better odds of solo'ing the entirety of the 6 family than of convincing toml to get votes started for promos

[rose swift]

lmao

[visual epoch]

true

[elder lion]

Kinda surprised news hasn't been released about AOA / AA. I could've swore some changes- whether they were my suggestions or not- were coming but I don't remember seeing a shout. Sucks to see the group continue to shoot itself in the foot. With the release of 8.0, you'd think ToML / leaders of the group would want to seize that opportunity to make positive changes.

[elder lion]

shocked. literally the most logical solution is to promote more officers

can't wait for the era where promotions come back

🙏🏻

[prime gulch]

Aoa needs a major revamp... @snow kindle @fresh warren

[snow kindle]

Which weve been working on

There already have been changes

[prime gulch]

good to hear

[snow kindle]

In regards to Stage 3 in particular since thats the biggest bottleneck

[prime gulch]

what did yall change

[snow kindle]

Join AOA to find out

[prime gulch]

dawg

[snow kindle]

We have made some changes but id need to look back into that other thing

[snow kindle]

Also a big problem aoa has is just the amount of professors

We were stuck in a situation for like

[prime gulch]

reduce prof quota

[snow kindle]

5 months where we barely had any

[snow kindle]

Its still the same 💀

[prime gulch]

talk to ur ao about giving more incentive to become professor

[snow kindle]

With those reductions etc

[prime gulch]

yea that shit was annoying i hated prof

[snow kindle]

The thing is I'd love to but previously some were already shot down

[snow kindle]

Its legit an hour, maybe 2 a week

[prime gulch]

exactly

horrid

for little to no gain

professor does not help u get promoted damn near at all

[snow kindle]

Yeah and thats the fucked up thing

Ive been noticing that too

[prime gulch]

u know how as -> officer promos work and officer+ promos

you know people dont gaf

[snow kindle]

Yh and it annoys me

[winged nymph]

the rank stagnation is real

[prime gulch]

officer promos are who does uc like 💀

[snow kindle]

To me its performance

[prime gulch]

it plays a factor

[snow kindle]

Performance and seniority for me

Idk what the others look for

[winged nymph]

toml try to make an AS > officer or VO > uc promotion next conference challenge (impossible)

[snow kindle]

Im js waiting for the next ucom promo

We have like 5 UC 3 UCom

[prime gulch]

officer promos should be done how as -> officer promos are done !!!

[winged nymph]

duty state grading goes well when theres not ranks that havent moved in months

[snow kindle]

Hell nah 💀

[prime gulch]

yes it should

removes bias factor as much as u rly can

[snow kindle]

Im not gonna make it so people are promoted based on paragraphs gng

[prime gulch]

not liekt hat dumbb

the voting

how as -> officer voting works

[snow kindle]

Oh you mean that thing

With that thing

On the thing

[prime gulch]

yes

[snow kindle]

Right

[prime gulch]

that me and dhos had access to

[snow kindle]

Well idk

It could work

But thas a toml thing

[snow kindle]

Also its still funny to me how we were accused of that @prime gulch

When its literally not the case

[prime gulch]

i never got accused of that

stay safe though

[oblique harbor]

ive suggested this before, got shot down pretty quick by everyone including big D.

[oblique harbor]

the highest it ever got was to ~600

then big D sent us an ultimatum of "do above minimum or ranksit for eternities"

[grizzled nymph]

make me officer

[fair panther]

[stoic estuary]

I was informed that ToML were going to vote upon it, and we have yet to hear the results of this.

[rose swift]

hi!!

[wraith trellis]

anything but promote new officers

[green bay]

anything but promoting me as an officer 🤦‍♂️

[tropic crypt]

I forgot the amount of AS we have. (5)

[royal anvil]

I've already pushed forward a ton of ideas in regards to AA in officer channels and said that AOA needs improvements as well, I'd do it myself but I've been occupied ensuring 8.0 is the best it possibly can be as well as preparing an update for Oretary for early next year. The past few days I've had to become directly involved with AA to ensure as many people from the 8.0 hype pass through to Operative as fast as possible since the rate at which lessons are being hosted and Officers are handing out points has slowed to a crawl.

At one point last week more duty states were marked by UC+ than Officers, with myself having marked around 120 because there was a buildup of 600+ duty states in the marker.

[velvet goblet]

hire me as an officer bro

ts would get fixed

or aa staff

[elder lion]

promote more officers

[velvet goblet]

(i will not do aoa)

[royal anvil]

Also already said that 6 times now.

[velvet goblet]

then force them gng

ur god

[royal anvil]

Again I'm only one person.

[velvet goblet]

force ur tomls to force them!!!!

[royal anvil]

I'm fixing things where I can but my schedules right now as pretty much full until February

[elder lion]

why is it not being done? It seems like a no brainer and I highly doubt the candidates are unqualified.
Also any of the big changes for aa/aoa haven't been made public- if any have actually been made.

[royal anvil]

I literally have no idea, even minus changes to AA/AOA promoting Officers would be a short term bandade.

[elder lion]

Not saying you haven't done anything there but ik lots of discussion around aoa/aa happened with nothing to show for

[velvet goblet]

slide me temp ds marker and we can fix this

i promise you

[royal anvil]

Temp DS marker shouldn't even have to exist.

I had a crashout in the officer channel a few months ago about this.

[elder lion]

It's the logical solution to the crazy amount of ds buildup. I forget the math but aegis can support safely about ~6-8 more officers with leftover ds to mark

[royal anvil]

Nothing has really changed in Officer core and yet the Officer core is falling behind previous years of Officers.

[velvet goblet]

officers are so fucking inactive that they forced it

[elder lion]

Its literally a cop out

[velvet goblet]

they expect everyone else to pick up the duty states

[royal anvil]

Yes, which is becoming a residual problem that backs up the mentality of laziness.

It's why we never even made an automated system (duty states would be incredibly easy to automate)

Because the mentality of such a system would give the excuse of laziness.

[velvet goblet]

if it gets to the point where you have to start marking duty states theres a major problem

i remember when it look less than 12 hours to get a ds marked for a while

i think u were still toml corpsiu

[royal anvil]

Some officers even complained I had people mark the duty states because of their quota.

They've gotten into the habit of allowing a huge buildup weekly to mark them in bulk, which shouldn't be happening.

[elder lion]

I hope changes are coming soon because it looks like AEGIS loses good people to stagnation more than anything rn lol.

[royal anvil]

I know.

[velvet goblet]

it fucks over divisionals too

[elder lion]

Makes sense if they aren't told there's exemptions. They shouldn't be waiting til the end of week either though

[tropic crypt]

I remember that.

[royal anvil]

Stagnation is the main problem in the group which is very hard to fix due to the complexity of all the academy systems.

[velvet goblet]

cause (mainly fucking me fuck you officer core) havent made quota several times because they refuse to fucking mark duty states in a reasonable time frame

[royal anvil]

Going from AFA to UC can take literal years now.

[elder lion]

There's little to no reason for that though besides negligence.

People can be promoted rn but aren't being promoted.

[royal anvil]

Me and walac have been talking about just automating certain academys entirely to just fully remove the human aspect.

Especially in AA, since to me I consider it the most important part of the group.

[velvet goblet]

ong if i was aa staff or officer i would smash out every ds i see or host very lesson

[royal anvil]

If people stagnate in AA it's a cascade effect to the rest of the group in every possible aspect

[velvet goblet]

like ur aa staff/officer for a reason

[elder lion]

Easy to say when you haven't been stuck at a rank for 6 months +

[royal anvil]

x user tries to attend lessons but lessons are never hosted in timezone = x user loses motivation to even get to a point they can join divisions/AOA and just leave the group and thinks its bad

[velvet goblet]

yeah well i got exiled from aoa and dont wanna do the unblacklist cause theres too much writing

so idk

[elder lion]

how df do you get exiled from aoa

[tropic crypt]

I thought you discharged.

[royal anvil]

AA should be the most well oiled machine in the group otherwise it leaves the threat of damaging every other academy and process in the group

[velvet goblet]

no bro

[tropic crypt]

What...

[velvet goblet]

i was inactive for like 8 months cause i didnt want to do the homework

[royal anvil]

It also doesn't help that MDF and STHD have set their rank requirements to SO in an attempt to be cool

[velvet goblet]

a lot of people just join aoa to intern anyway

[wooden veldt]

chairman can you go on freeroam ❤️

[royal anvil]

When my entire intention of those divisions is that they are starter divisions

[velvet goblet]

wasnt fcb gonna be o+

or am i stupid

i know most divs used to be o+

[royal anvil]

FCB is going to be academy joinable as well

[tropic crypt]

So they were supposed to be O+?

[velvet goblet]

oh thats fire

[royal anvil]

So there is always a division for people to be in

[elder lion]

I never understood why combat divisions did that. To be fair, they were getting some pretty silly characters joining before but that's more of a tryout host issue than a rank issue.

[royal anvil]

Bc divisionless is really boring

[tropic crypt]

I guess I'm a weirdo.

[royal anvil]

All divisions were O+

[velvet goblet]

i would join fcb if i was under so lets be so fr

[elder lion]

Kinda going off topic

[royal anvil]

then certain divisions wanted to be special and changed their rank requirements

[velvet goblet]

easiest job ever

[velvet goblet]

i think its fair for aia and ard

actually no theres been some utter imbeciles in ard

[velvet goblet]

more a dc/uoc thing cause they accept them

or uo idk how it was back then

[tropic crypt]

Ok uh, returning to the Officer problem.

[velvet goblet]

yesyes

it shouldnt be chairmans problem to tell aa and officer core to fix their shit

they should do it on their own

or whoever oversees them should be doing it

[tropic crypt]

The problem is that, even if we try to make some solutions, the ideas got wipe out as well.

[velvet goblet]

start demoting officers and promoting more

or god forbid handpicking

[tropic crypt]

Even asked Officers and some agree to increase a bit the quota, still won't help much, since we need to push people to be promoted to AS to Officer, which is not under my control.

[velvet goblet]

im certain that theres a lot of people who would be willing to actually do officer quota

just none of them seem to be officers

like ori and doing 400 duty states or something (idk the actual number)

and i bet you that doesnt get factored into officer promotions

[tropic crypt]

Sadly no.

For my understanding.

[elder lion]

by who

[velvet goblet]

i would assume toml

[tropic crypt]

Yes, but no idea what they're doing now.

[elder lion]

It seems like the attitude is "this should be fixed but its out of my control" and it sucks that's what it comes down to. Toml should really be a lot more transparent with the public about this sort've thing. There's literally no reason promotions to prevent stagnation can't happen rn other than someone being grossly incompetent

Aegis can support a good chunk of new officers and I'm sure toml can lower their exaggerated standards for officer+ promotions to occur as well. Seems like you need to be a prodigy to be promoted at regular intervals now.

[velvet goblet]

i barely ever see officers in game let alone marking duty states

or doing anything for that matter

maybe besides scp hes been in game a bit

like ok i understand officer core has lives too but it gets to a point

[tropic crypt]

I remember in-game I watched at least 2 Officers.

Weirdly 3.

[velvet goblet]

cause ur not only marking duty states in bulk at the end of the week

but you also fuck up divisionals

which is somehow always me every single week without fail

[stoic estuary]

Hi

[velvet goblet]

for the last 4 months MINIMUM

[sonic notch]

officers and academy are some of the most abused people in aegis

But they might deserve it tbh

[velvet goblet]

they need to get with the program or fuck off

[tropic crypt]

Abused? Like people abusing their rank or how?

[sonic notch]

Like hated

[velvet goblet]

no they get hated by us

[sonic notch]

And nobody really gives a fuck about them

[velvet goblet]

because they dont do their job

[tropic crypt]

Ah...

Well that's true in some point.

[velvet goblet]

i can think of exactly 1 difficult part of being an officer

thats public knowledge idk whats classified

and thats hosting trainings

they require actual braincells

[dull forge]

See how sc isnt mentioned 🥺

[dull forge]

Trainings easy to host

Just time consuming

[sonic notch]

Sc is abused within their own division

[dull forge]

Lies

[sonic notch]

Daily spankings for eso and under

[velvet goblet]

you cant even complain about officers not doing their job

cause they wont like it

uc+ cant do shit

and toml+ dont do shit

[tropic crypt]

Is not that "time consuming".

[velvet goblet]

and chairman cant

[dull forge]

Well if u get like 10+ attendees i think they can be

[tropic crypt]

Always find the way to make it fast, but without breaking their minds.

[velvet goblet]

about jump face

[tropic crypt]

But returning to our point.

[dull forge]

Dismiss half the people ✌️

[tropic crypt]

Never said something which perjudicate half of the people.

[velvet goblet]

istg some of the officer promotions have to be fucking politics

[royal anvil]

Funnily enough the transparency thing was voted on in AVABAS, to essentially "Release monthly ToML "Newsletters" similar to how AHRD do transparent case results. The image essentially outlines the idea, some were in favours and others were not - if I was to leak some of the stuff said in favour of "not" then I feel some would not be very happy. 💀

[velvet goblet]

and not about who is actually doing the jov

[tropic crypt]

This sadly is true in mayority of times, implementing rules must have ToML approval.

[wooden veldt]

give us the toml guidelines

[velvet goblet]

do ts anyway bro

[wooden veldt]

we got these old ass guidelines from like 2024

[royal anvil]

Ok https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uZjSlwmoh8Vq6eets-XdBWBJXZIyyVgT3hJ62VEqN94/

[velvet goblet]

LOL

[wooden veldt]

thanks man

[velvet goblet]

aw its public

[tropic crypt]

Crazy.

[royal anvil]

Duh

[tropic crypt]

He wanted the special one.

[royal anvil]

Btw, if you come to me with a really good idea chances are I will just implement it - or atleast help you with the politics to do it

I get flak for it sometimes but my way of doing this is always get X out as fast as possible and iterate on it in post until perfection

[elder lion]

I could see why for both sides but it's getting to the point where it's almost necessary. When there's so much scrutiny over the toml directly are responsible for and no solutions are being made public, it's a bad look lol.

[royal anvil]

Btw these were supposed to be released a while ago but I was waiting for ToML feedback but gone none so

[oblique harbor]

make the second stage 3 in AA be done via discord (as in via command/filling out a form), its the same thing over and over.

[elder lion]

It should but unless the uc ideas are wild idk why a toml hasn't worked with you guys yet on possible solutions.

[royal anvil]

Yea this was one of the ways me and walac were thinking about automating, so that results would be reviewed by staff but the lesson itself not have to be conducted

[wooden veldt]

thank you mr chairman

[elder lion]

Replacing my guidelines 😩

[wooden veldt]

ive been waiting years for these

[royal anvil]

😂

[oblique harbor]

essentially, due to the new chat update rolling out soon, lessons could be done via discord chat, but the practical part will br fonr in game (assuming host does not wish to utilise vc)

[royal anvil]

Weren't the originals from like 2020

[wooden veldt]

bro they have links to restricted channels

[oblique harbor]

the exception being stage 2

since s2 must be done ingame

[elder lion]

Yes but they were updated. Everything in there was good info.

Hope these new guidelines covered what that one did.

[oblique harbor]

the other guidelines were also updated

(last UM)

[elder lion]

I think if they aren't updated it's just on tracking what toml oversee what

But otherwise the information in them is solid 💪🏻

And its something the new guideline doesnt have 😉

[velvet goblet]

all i want is to have my duty states marked in a reasonable time frame

doesnt have be be within 24 hours

shouldnt take longer than 2 or 3

[royal anvil]

This is done automatically by a bot now

[wooden veldt]

ahrd?

[velvet goblet]

shoudlnt that be ic

[wooden veldt]

isnt the whole point of that to have no connection to toml

[royal anvil]

it's just a placeholder

[velvet goblet]

oh

[wooden veldt]

ah

[royal anvil]

IC don't exist

[velvet goblet]

doblox??

[oblique harbor]

ill be ao of fcb!

[royal anvil]

Not in any official capacity anymore

[velvet goblet]

oh

[royal anvil]

SJB are who handle IC cases

[wooden veldt]

what does the red emojis mean

[velvet goblet]

prob inactivity notice

[royal anvil]

Unsubmitted AO report for this month

[velvet goblet]

oh

yeah im stupid

i swear amcs has an ao

[wooden veldt]

laser needs to lock in...

[oblique harbor]

used

not anymore

[velvet goblet]

or was it noah

[wooden veldt]

most people assume it's just the AO of aecd

[royal anvil]

^

Which would be Saucy right now

[wooden veldt]

wait does this mean that the aegis AO role was just a rumor

like for just aegis as a whole

[royal anvil]

It did exist, but frankly, the whole of ToML should be doing it

In the past there was "AO of AEGIS" specifically

[wooden veldt]

can you move arounbd in game rq your glitched

ty

[velvet goblet]

who actually oversees officer core

[royal anvil]

ToML collectively

But mainly that responsibility is down to UC+

[velvet goblet]

oh

[royal anvil]

i.e UC+ flag problems with Officers to ToML

[velvet goblet]

i should think like

uc-ucom should be responsible for officers

and toml just oversee uc and what they do with officers

or something

idk

[royal anvil]

pretty much how it's supposed to work rn

[winged nymph]

@royal anvil is there any way to fix the rank stagnation

[velvet goblet]

yeah

[winged nymph]

i mean surely youve seen by now that ranks havent moved in months, and you said it yourself that getting to UC from afa takes years

[velvet goblet]

fuck off all the shit inactive officers

fix aoa

promote more people to officer

[winged nymph]

i said it in officer plus when we debated this suggestion last night but no wonder no one wants to retire when doing so means that if you ever want to come back youd have to go through years of effort to even get back to officer

[velvet goblet]

fixing aoa would be the first priority

literally on the group it says each stage should take a week

when in reality you intern in every division except aia for a minimum of a week

so thats 6 weeks

[winged nymph]

yall keep getting mad at "inactive officers"

what do you think causes that

[velvet goblet]

• other deadlines for other stages

[wooden veldt]

fr promote mxrou

[winged nymph]

the answer is fairly simple, burnout

[wooden veldt]

he's been VO for like 2 years

only person that really needs a promotion would be him ngl

[velvet goblet]

thats why we promote more people to officer

[wooden veldt]

everyone else chilling

[velvet goblet]

we dont need the temp ds marker role

because it doesnt even get considered for promos to officer

[winged nymph]

and even if you manage that, youre just causing more burnout because toml refuses to do uc promos

[velvet goblet]

if i was toml i would promote ori to officer because of all the duty states

[wooden veldt]

i also want a promotion

[velvet goblet]

so force them to do uc promos

[wooden veldt]

ive been doing my aa quota for 3 months

[velvet goblet]

introduce a fucking term system for toml fi you have to

[winged nymph]

there used to be like 15 UC/ucomm, now theres 7 and they promote when theyre fucking interested in it

[velvet goblet]

we dont need tomls who are inactive for 50 years

[winged nymph]

you want to talk about inactive, look at toml

[velvet goblet]

i have not seen karl do a single thing EVER for the last 2 years minimum

he responds to pings sometimes thats it

[winged nymph]

kp literally said at conf at one point that he couldnt get their asses to vote in hicom server

and thats like their main job

[wooden veldt]

fr just promoted mxrou and call it a day

[velvet goblet]

at this point we need to force atificial turnover for toml

[winged nymph]

-# ssp for uc

[velvet goblet]

so theyre forced to promote more ucs and officers

and still also fix aoa

if officers are getting burnt out from marking duty states and hosting trainings

and div duties if they have them

introduce more shit for officers

cough cough toml

according to frant uc ideas mostly get canned by uc

[winged nymph]

hosting trainings is actually the more fun of the officer duties

[velvet goblet]

i meant uc ideas canned by toml

[winged nymph]

duty states are mindless and endless

[velvet goblet]

let efa+ mark

or afa+

[winged nymph]

and the only outcome is either you get fucking nothing or you get screamed at by people if you do it wrong

[velvet goblet]

(obviously this would need a new system to allow for efa+ to mark)

[winged nymph]

if you enforce an unpopular rule you get verbally abused in dms

[velvet goblet]

ssp is the main victim of ts

[winged nymph]

why do you think i do not give a fuck when moderating about how unpopular i am

i could not care less anymore about my reputation

[velvet goblet]

i would just really love to see myself not failing quota every fucking week because some fatass officer wants to do everything at the end

[tropic crypt]

As well about complaints too. I remember I used to get 30 - 40 DMs per day, now is 5 - 6 DMs per day.

[winged nymph]

its pretty clear im not getting UC anytime soon because toml has shown no interest in promoting the current batch of VOs

and toml could care less about promoting anyone at all

[velvet goblet]

we need to start forcing toml to do shit

or they can fuck off

[winged nymph]

good luck with that

[velvet goblet]

no more sitting inactive and doing stuff barely ever

[velvet goblet]

start firing tomls

[winged nymph]

outside of dylan doing something they arent going to do shit

[velvet goblet]

introduce a requirement of at least 1 officer promotion a month or 2 months

and 1 uc promo every month or whatever

and ucom

and um

probably not um

[tropic crypt]

I remember there was something like that somewhere but they said it was a CD.

[velvet goblet]

and if they wont then demote them back to efa or officer

[velvet goblet]

chairman has literally said there isnt

(to my understanding)

and that theres also no limit on officers or overwatcj

[tropic crypt]

Like to promote people no, mostly CD is.

[winged nymph]

yall are upset because officers arent grading enough duty states

officers are burnt the fuck out because we all collectively spent years in the academy and then years in the officer core and we have fuck all to show for it because moving upwards past veteran officer is basically impossible

[velvet goblet]

exactly

just revamp aoa

fuck off everyone who is hindering shit

start promoting vo-uc

just

promote officer+ ranks every month at a minimum

[tropic crypt]

I mean... REGCOM in general is being on fire since we have VOs stuck, if those got up, we can keep moving more Officers.

[winged nymph]

no matter how many duty states we grade, no matter how many trainings we host, strikes we give out, hours we spend interacting with the community, appeal tickets we deal with, toml will not recognize it for a single minute

[velvet goblet]

every 2 weeks would be even better unless it starts to backfire

[tropic crypt]

But then again, we returned to the part when we have less Officers.

[velvet goblet]

theres so many people who actually want to become officers but theres no incentive past officer

seriously

[winged nymph]

i think fixing rank stagnation would frankly fix a lot of the issues with duty states

[velvet goblet]

o wo and vo is the same rank

it would cause then people would fucking mark on time

and not make me lose out on quota every week for 4+ months (im really pissed about this)

it happened while i was sc too

[winged nymph]

so post raw

[velvet goblet]

not allowed

[winged nymph]

how tf

[velvet goblet]

it pisses me off

[winged nymph]

come join ard we have sensible duty state policies

ong

[velvet goblet]

its not that the policies are bad

theres just no one marking during the week'

or your ds gets fucking missed

[winged nymph]

honestly i think the amount of ds is a problem

[velvet goblet]

that actually pisses me off so much

i swear to god ori has marked like 200 this week or something

dont quote me on the numbers

[winged nymph]

an idea, toss DS for anyone below FA or divisionals

[velvet goblet]

but that doesnt even get factored into wether ori gets officer or not

and making afa+ mark ds too just burns them out

so the cycle repeats

its just an endless cycle of shit because we arent promoting people

[visual pagoda]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1017994341429551216/1454596453417877668/caption.gif

[velvet goblet]

there are genuinely some people who i think deserve officer

or afa

or uc

and some officers who i think dont even deserve operative

[royal anvil]

numbers rn

[velvet goblet]

yeah see

501 in a fuckign week

[winged nymph]

(in my defense im sick on IN)

[royal anvil]

😂

[velvet goblet]

yeah well thats different

[velvet goblet]

yeah you shouldnt be marking duty states

[tropic crypt]

I would say, promote him. Even if I don't have the power to promote him to Officer, I still want him promoted.

[velvet goblet]

shouldnt be your job to step in for this shit

[velvet goblet]

yes bro

ori for officer

501 in a week is too much and shows the dedication

[winged nymph]

i said this exact thing

oricomicai should be promoted

[velvet goblet]

ori doesnt even want reward literally just said 'helping to help'

the fact that (apparently) that number isnt even considered for as-officer is insane

either get rid of the role or start promoting people for it

[royal anvil]

wait what

Ori isn't an officer?

[velvet goblet]

no

[winged nymph]

no

[royal anvil]

[winged nymph]

administered specialist

[velvet goblet]

theyre as at max

[winged nymph]

because toml wont do promos

cause it has to wait until toml declares a new officer is needed

[velvet goblet]

which apparently is fucking never

[oblique harbor]

the things that are done externally in aoa should be revamped asap

many people failed to go through aoa due to those things

(outdated, still requiring rules that were changed in 2024)

[winged nymph]

wait no theyre a specialist

[velvet goblet]

bro

make me toml bro

[oblique harbor]

@rose swift congrats on officer this conference

[winged nymph]

yall keep talking about this, what specific things are you talking about

[velvet goblet]

so many people would be getting promotions for the right reasons

[oblique harbor]

dms

[tropic crypt]

I think Chairman is shocked about the situation.

[velvet goblet]

ori would get officer

ssp is getting toml

probably someone else too

[edgy geode]

It’s pretty clear your intentions are good when you’re enforcing these “unpopular” rules but ya should also remember that this is a Roblox military game.

Of course, there’s bias, favouritism, nepotism, and a lot more issues which are a bigger problem because this is an online game, not real life where actual crimes like murder exist.

[tropic crypt]

I feel he'll get from SPC to Officer now with this.

[velvet goblet]

yes bro

mark more duty states than an officer and you can get officer immediately

(minimum double what an officer does for 1 or 2 weeks)

[edgy geode]

Ya should get AFA first before yapping about being super active.

[velvet goblet]

i didnt actually ask you dark

fuck off

[tropic crypt]

I mean 500 is like... 10 WOs quota.

[velvet goblet]

thanks

[edgy geode]

Balright.

[winged nymph]

when i first entered aa staff this was a thing

[tropic crypt]

I remember you could jump from that to Officer too, but it was weird to happen.

Unless you did a ton of lessons.

[edgy geode]

I got AFA in September and I am still an AFA, amazing!

[oblique harbor]

practically impossible unless u were an ex toml

[oblique harbor]

bother officers more

be boring with suggestions

just appear more

[edgy geode]

I am pretty sure that time when I messed up affected my chances and this rank stagnation, like dude..

[velvet goblet]

yeah it shouldnt be happening

you should be at least as by now

[edgy geode]

Ty man.

[oblique harbor]

6 months to AS is now impossible unless you're prime rentaidoskarner

but as we've seen that destroys your mental health

[edgy geode]

Is that guy okay?

I heard something happened to him.

[oblique harbor]

deserted due to mental health issues

like 2 months after he got promoted

no idea where he's at now

[edgy geode]

Oh man..

[velvet goblet]

we'll tell people not to do a 24 hour duty state

but we'll let them destroy their mental health for officer+

[rose swift]

😭

[oblique harbor]

to be fair he was volunteeraly doing 30 lessons/w

[fierce tendon]

30 lessons is insane

[rose swift]

thats the goal but im hoping i at least get AS before february

[edgy geode]

I’m pretty sure some kids just use an autoclicker to get it. There’s a very small chance some people actually put in the work for it.

[rose swift]

cuz like yo

[oblique harbor]

put out netflix, afk, click every 15 minutes

there you go

[edgy geode]

During my time in SC, I caught a lot of kids who got FA+ by breaking the rules.

[edgy geode]

Lol.

[velvet goblet]

i did

cause i wont afk duty states

and get ecobanned

[royal anvil]

The people volunteering their time are the ones that should be promoted, not the people scraping by their quota

[oblique harbor]

the most you can get is xp removal

[royal anvil]

So the fact that guy was rank locked is just wrong

[velvet goblet]

no

ecobanned for autoclicker

[oblique harbor]

he wasnt rank locked, he got officer in 6 months as matter of fact, but he deserted due to mental health issues

[oblique harbor]

well dont afk whole duty state then

cuh

[edgy geode]

Me along with other AA staff get like 13-15 lessons weekly for months and what do we get in return?

[oblique harbor]

you're doing the expected

jk

[edgy geode]

Mi bombo.

[oblique harbor]

just do 6 lessons/week

enough for the label you need on trello

remember, if someone wants to get you promoted, there's always a way, regardless of your achievements

[edgy geode]

Dawg I want SPC, I don’t wanna wait another 3 months.

[velvet goblet]

promotions are literally all political rn

[oblique harbor]

^

[edgy geode]

I need to figure smth out.

[winged nymph]

i will say

aa leadership vetos the officer core's promotion recommendations frequently

which is...a problem

[edgy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/agony-gif-23084585

[oblique harbor]

back when i was an officer we had the issue of officer core not recommending people

how'd it happen to be opposite now lol

[velvet goblet]

i can confidently say i dont know what any of the toml members do

[edgy geode]

People like me or Trading are here now. 😉

[velvet goblet]

.

[winged nymph]

we have the same problem now

[rose swift]

what is AVABAS? 🤔

[winged nymph]

the officer core will stop recommending people if aa leadership doesnt stop getting in our way

thats just reality

[edgy geode]

AEGIS smth smth.

[winged nymph]

if they keep vetoing reccs whos going to make them

[elder lion]

It was also for "extra toml" or toml who wanted to take a step back but still be there. Important imo, especially now when we could have more toml 😉

[winged nymph]

toml voting system

[rose swift]

oh

for like officer+ promos?

[winged nymph]

for everything

[rose swift]

ohh

cool

[velvet goblet]

for everything

[rose swift]

what about minor changes

like do UC have to forward shouts to toml before doing it or something

[winged nymph]

no

[rose swift]

o

[winged nymph]

UCs have shout perms for a reason

[velvet goblet]

but apparently everything ucs want to do to make officer core better gets thrown out by tomls

[winged nymph]

again goes back to what i said earlier

[velvet goblet]

i known uperman

[winged nymph]

kp in an aegis conf mentioned that toml just werent voting on shit

and if thats true then no wonder nothing gets done

[rose swift]

ok well im gonna finish my lesson scripts, bye bye ❤️

[velvet goblet]

training scripts*

ur getting promoted to officer

[rose swift]

already have one

but its from like

aoa days

like last year

well not literally last year, like 6 months ago

[winged nymph]

i promise you, you can still use it

[rose swift]

its probably outdated

[velvet goblet]

i lowkey would not be surprised if chairman gave you officer

[rose swift]

i could make it so much better 😭

[edgy geode]

#Ori4TO ❤️‍🩹

[winged nymph]

training scripts dont really get outdated

[rose swift]

so bad rn

LMAOO

[winged nymph]

looks better than my script

[rose swift]

i type google doc and it automatically forwards to this doc, it doesnt even have a page color or like anything

difficult to copy paste, gotta do the dragging thing sometimes

ykwim

[winged nymph]

but then again my script is just a loose guide i follow in vc, i mostly have trainings as a second nature now

[rose swift]

yeah scripts are gonna be quite useless when nobody can see your messages

[edgy geode]

Why did ya type “Oricomical:” for each thing?

What da hell.

[rose swift]

built for co-hosts

"OricomicaI:"

"Co-host:"

[winged nymph]

letting your cohosts speak smh

[rose swift]

😭

not really

just for faces

[edgy geode]

Oh boy this is confusing.

[rose swift]

thats why i feel like it sucks

cant believe i used that

[winged nymph]

make them engage in the hard labors of point recording 💪

[rose swift]

i feel like id be better alone without a cohost

[tropic crypt]

I would just shout a 10 increase DS quota to not get the duty state marker thing, since it's a REGCOM responsability, and the Duty markers who did their best during these times could get promoted to Officers or if they were AFAs a free rank promotion to SPC or AS since they're supportimg REGCOM about this issue as well doing AA lessons, but even like that, if I touch something, it's like stepping on a mouse trap.

[oblique harbor]

ngl i just said what i remembered in vc

[rose swift]

ive cohosted like 80 trainings

[oblique harbor]

memorised my whole scripts at the time

[winged nymph]

this is exactly what i do

i barely even use the actual script i have

[oblique harbor]

same

for lessons i just went off what was the most important

[elder lion]

Another helpful thing to do with officer promotions is to make UC's responsible for Officer promotions and just have toml sign off on the reasoning.

[oblique harbor]

and for trainings i just freestyled

[edgy geode]

They should have kept you as an Officer smh.

[elder lion]

UCs have more than enough experience to determine who is capable of becoming Officer so long as they aren't expecting the person they're promoting to be some crazy prodigy.

[oblique harbor]

if i didnt have the first officer warn

sure

but i had my first officer warn before so its all good

[elder lion]

And this would take weight off toml shoulders, while giving UCs proper responsibility / control.

[oblique harbor]

its a fair play

[winged nymph]

i think the problem toml today have is that they expect wayyyy too much out of people

before promoting

[prime gulch]

damn muydata makes good suggestions

[elder lion]

yes

[edgy geode]

AA promos are also a big issue.

[prime gulch]

toml are infinitely lazy

[oblique harbor]

yes, mostly because the same people who got to toml had lower standards

[winged nymph]

pulling up the opportunity ladder behind them ahh 🥀

[elder lion]

Apparently dylan already proposed AA changes. I did too, and ik a lot of AA leadership were discussing changes.

What's coming of all that, who knows.

It has been a while since I heard about the discussions.

[edgy geode]

If some random suggested this then they’d get silenced ngl. 💀

[elder lion]

(Regardless if they go through with my suggestions which are very very good ;)) changes should still be made

[prime gulch]

good thing about being well known

[elder lion]

the question is, will it really matter?

[prime gulch]

he did when i was hos but i didn't necessarily like them, but i saw the vision

[edgy geode]

Ty for your dedication despite being retired.

[prime gulch]

but now that responsibility lies on shadowed

[elder lion]

this is a problem I wanted to fix but had no motivation to

now the solution is a lot more clear bc of the retrospect of the failings happening lately but damn, didn't realize progress was so impossible.

[edgy geode]

It will, if you’re not liked in this community then no promotion, if you’re liked then you get a promotion.

So yeah.

[prime gulch]

well let's be honest here, most tomls now don't have a drive anywhere close to what you had...

full glaze

[elder lion]

in theory that's not how it works, nepotism has been largely eliminated from the promo reasoning (at least to my knowledge back then, should be the same now)

[edgy geode]

If some people see you as a problem then they’d dispose of you as soon as they get the chance to do so.

[elder lion]

you should be promoted based on your inititative largely. are you an aoa professor? did you go above quota, even a little bit? are you active in chats?

^ that's how it was

then obv seniority was considered, consistency

facts of someones acolades are hard to dispute.

[prime gulch]

you know as well as me officer promo voting sucks

[elder lion]

can't not promote someone when they've clearly deserved it

[prime gulch]

some vo's clearly deserve uc and haven't even been batted an eye to get promoted

[elder lion]

oh yes ik, but that is how it's meant to be. That's also why UCs should be involved with officer promos, not toml. Or at least not at the extent it is now. ToML should sign off on promotions and their reasoning, not choose them.

[edgy geode]

In the AA if you ask for a promotion then you’re ranklocked so yeah.

[prime gulch]

i wish i was still uc so i could have a bigger effect

[prime gulch]

what bro💀

[oblique harbor]

the activity in chats matters for AS -> Officers

[winged nymph]

largely this is incorrect

[oblique harbor]

then the other also matter for Officer promos

[elder lion]

see other than a hard ranklock, this makes sense IF they ask undeserved.

[edgy geode]

I did mess up some time ago and Comfy also messed up a bit so idk when I will get SPC.

[oblique harbor]

but being an aoa professor provides little to no external invest now that it doesnt really matter

[elder lion]

postpone their promotion for a bit? sure. but if that person deserves the promo, and doesn't get it, they should ask why and what's going on

[prime gulch]

why is why nobody does it

it's just extra quota

[near rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-squidward-tentacles-spongebob-look-around-awkward-gif-496727432057798195

[prime gulch]

u aren't but ur also new

[elder lion]

used to be a big contributor to promos

especially to UC

[edgy geode]

I swear to God I saw a shout about it somewhere and it is also being mentioned in AA guidelines.

[near rapids]

when do i stop being new

[winged nymph]

when yall promote a new toml

[prime gulch]

i can't tell u how uc promos get talked about because i was never toml but officer promos suck

@elder lion let's rejoin aoa and get toml

[near rapids]

for me (as someone who became a professor as soon as I could) it is a big factor

idk about other tomls

[prime gulch]

i was a professor as soon as i could all the way till i was uc then i left

[elder lion]

i'd only rejoin as bod 💪🏻

[oblique harbor]

not anymore, when i asked about it they said join a div for external contributions

i mentioned aoa prof and it didnt really get recognition

[prime gulch]

and i was grinding professor but imo you don't get muc out of it

[elder lion]

wtf? divisions have nothing to do with officer+

that's idiotic

[prime gulch]

they do though

[oblique harbor]

external invest

shows competence or whatever

[elder lion]

being in a division should have no affect on being promoted in officer+

[near rapids]

you can see that it's not an official stance among all toml, some view aoa differently

[prime gulch]

they talk about all external investments

[winged nymph]

eh divisional leadership does mean youre a proven choice to know what youre doing

[prime gulch]

divs, departments, ald

[winged nymph]

just being in a division, nah

[elder lion]

no it doesn't, it shows dedication to the group maybe but that should in no way be largely considered for promotions

EC maybe? sure

but a division? who gives a fuck

If I want to just be an officer ,let me be an officer

(professor should fall in that category)

[oblique harbor]

the some are less popular, therefore their opinion not mattering due to the majority viewing aoa as i've mentioned

[oblique harbor]

just my perspective of view

[elder lion]

Can't get divisional leadership anymore thanks to the slight rollback of the term limit for UOC's

Instead, the UOC will have to burnout to be replaced.

[near rapids]

well for any officer reading this: for me being a professor is an expectation because there's no good reason you can't be a professor unless you're just being lazy

and in that case aoa doesn't need you

[oblique harbor]

thats just one

out of

six

if i recall correctly

[fallow grotto]

Free drhouse

[tropic crypt]

Well, yeah, only we have 6 ToMLs.

Laser, kp, Rikka, Matx, Karl and Maxt.

[winged nymph]

isnt it 7

[tropic crypt]

I forgot one?

[near rapids]

nxrk 😭

[tropic crypt]

Ah.

[near rapids]

its ok

i forget about him aswell

[winged nymph]

saucy

[prime gulch]

how many overwatch is there

[winged nymph]

7

[near rapids]

67

[winged nymph]

7 uc/ucomm

[prime gulch]

In no world should there be more toml than overwatch

[tropic crypt]

Why did my autocorrector put Maxt two times?

[winged nymph]

@near rapids when are uc promos

[oblique harbor]

we originally had 10 toml

[near rapids]

like to uc or uc+

[oblique harbor]

i saw no issues

[winged nymph]

to uc

[oblique harbor]

the group was active

[winged nymph]

we aint had any new uc in forever

[prime gulch]

seems like when muydata left everyone started leaving...

i just have that effect

[fallow grotto]

@winged nymph You will be promoted within a month

I am a good fortune teller

[prime gulch]

wasn't mnm the last promoted one

or shadowed

[tropic crypt]

I mean, when Corpsii, Noah and Seven were there, the things were smooth, now uhm... No clue.

[winged nymph]

if thats true then oof cause mnm is now on the sjb

[tropic crypt]

[oblique harbor]

what are the betting odds

[prime gulch]

@carmine basin everyone still thinks about u...

[oblique harbor]

noah is fat

[opal mural]

https://i.imgur.com/GbeOkHc.png

[prime gulch]

seven was inactive

[fallow grotto]

Unc

You haven't learned

😭

[oblique harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1366501362040311948/1424510383506325685/togif.gif

[oblique harbor]

not as much as rayris

[winged nymph]

yeah im not getting uc

[near rapids]

you ask this question as if toml have a schedule of when the next promotions occur

[tropic crypt]

I mean...

[winged nymph]

i mean yall are the ones voting on them

[oblique harbor]

go out scouting

[fallow grotto]

Reverse psychology tactics

I like

[prime gulch]

this whole thread just leads back to #1452036155280326832 ....

[tropic crypt]

You're the ones who have the highest votes on all so yeah...

[edgy geode]

Gl dude.

[fallow grotto]

It's all gatekeeping

[near rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-hunchback-turn-cukurukuk-gif-15693050314819858264

[warped narwhal]

i still find this so stupid, since the main retaliation from people who agreed with this is that dc have pretty much as much power as the UOC

yet with the current system the UOC can quite literally return to the rank of DC if they wanted to, the only difference being actual movement in the DC+ ranks
-# and also...enticing the UOC to actually leave if they believe they've completed what they needed to do instead of having no easy way out

[warped narwhal]

and to comment as another officer besides super, it's just really fucking demotivating to do anything above your minimum especially with something as mind numbing as grading duty states

i became AA staff nearly 2 years and 6 months ago and if im being honest past the first month of being aa staff your motivation to do anything beyond the minimum drops immediately

because there really isnt any incentive to do it when you know that it can just straight up be ignored because by the time promotion votes come in, you lost all of your motivation

quite literally the only way to be recognized is to be the person at the top of the leaderboards constantly, and we both know how that will burn you out extremely fast regardless if your promoted or not by just looking at rentaid

look at anyone who was promoted because of being at the top of the leaderboard, i can assure you that a big chunk of them just immediately left within a year due to burn out, while everyone else is just stagnated

[carmine basin]

cause im the best....

[elder lion]

Yeah man, it's horrible. I don't agree with the mindset "People should be expected to go well above the minimum" when they've been asked to do over-and-beyond for years

[warped narwhal]

yeah im geninuely at the point where ive just given up with promotions

its either i burn myself completely out forcing me to leave everything behind or just do whats expected of me

[elder lion]

if officers (or anyone for that matter) do their quota or what's expected of them, their evaluation for promotion should be based on their consistency, quality of their work, and overall attitude / behaviour.

Not "Well they didn't do nearly as many ds as this person"

We should reward people for going above-and-beyond, but shouldn't forget the consistency of the others.

If only one officer goes over quota every week, maybe that should tell you looking for "above and beyond" people isn't the best way to evaluate for promos.

[prime gulch]

welllll.....

[prime gulch]

i was never at the top of leaderboards and i got promoted off cd except for vo to uc and as to officer which is why i find the voting system to be so ass and bias

i think there is people who should've gotten officer over me and should've gotten uc before me but i got it over them because im a very well liked individual in aegis and im very interactive

take coolguy for example, he was veteran officer when i got specialist and i got uc before he did

mnm was warrant officer when i got afa im pretty sure and i got uc months before her

there was someone who was warrant officer when i got into aoa and i was uc before them

promotional systems are ass and bias to those they actually like, most of the time if you're well liked among toml and uc you'll fly through the ranks

i'm thankful to be where i was, but i can't just overlook how i got there

[warped narwhal]

yeah thats mostly what im referencing,

with getting promoted from officer -> veteran officer you can pretty much do whatever you want and so long as you dont do dumb shit you'll eventually be promoted

but with AS -> officer and VO -> UC its either be the most active or be the favorite

[prime gulch]

this isn't even true, i've seen people get hard stuck at officer or wo and it takes a good uc to recognize those people which was my goal when i was uc

if i could take anything back it'd be my discharge because i hate what i'm seeing now and i wish i had the power to change it

[warped narwhal]

emphasis on the eventually be promoted

[prime gulch]

i hate the promotion system and i should've done something to change it when i was in power, officer and uc promos should be done how aa promos are

if you know you know...

as -> officer are the most fair promos to exist

you can't see anyone else's vote and only dhpme+ can and it isn't announced till conf

in afa-as promos you mostly just click whatever one is more voted because you don't wanna argue with other people😂

[warped narwhal]

in my opinion from what ive seen ard would be probably the best promotion system

everyone who is eligible for the promotion is able to be voted on with all the information listed and actual discussion goes into who is promoted

[prime gulch]

that's how as->officer is too dawg

we're u a professor

[warped narwhal]

dont have access to it so cant comment on it

[warped narwhal]

no

[prime gulch]

ah

[edgy geode]

Proves my point that ARD is much better than SC in terms of promotions.

[prime gulch]

Sc promos are shit

I was uo and i hated it

[warped narwhal]

yeah ive

heard some stuff about the sc promotion system

[edgy geode]

Currently, you need to be an SCO for at least a year to get the slight chance to be a UO smh.

And activity as an SCO doesn't matter whether or not you’ll get UO.

[prime gulch]

idk how uo promos work i was never dsc but

[warped narwhal]

ard has a similiar issue, but thats just because of there being no available position

[edgy geode]

I don’t really want to talk about the deep issues with SC but ARD is a lot better and I am not even glazing.

[warped narwhal]

which is also why im so confused why we even have this issue in the main aegis ranks because its very obvious there is open spaces for people to be promoted

but they just....arent

[edgy geode]

Chairman has faith in his ToMLs smh.

[prime gulch]

which he shouldn't.......

there's obviously a problem

[warped narwhal]

imagine how i felt when people wanted to hold AO's more accountable for the new UOC system when we're already having issues with toml

[edgy geode]

He mainly cares about the development but it’s about time he starts getting involved in the aegisian politics.

[prime gulch]

i know

[serene lance]

It’s not just officer ranks that experience this tbf

[wraith trellis]

doing the most mind numbing thing for a year makes it unbearable, if you did it too, you'd feel the same. i said the exact same thing as i became officer, "i don't get why people say it's so hard" then i became the same as all other officers a few months later

[oblique harbor]

not too far from truth LOL

[small sail]

Also people complain that it takes literally 6 months of grinding

To get officer

And that like

No lifing basically

People who consistently do quota as AA staff don't get promos past AS

Tank_niy has been AA staff for a while now (I think almost a year) and he still isn't officer

I think if UCs aren't gonna promote more officers that the quota needs to be increased but having like

15 people normally that grade DS? For a group of probably around 3k+ active?

It's absurd

[visual epoch]

real
especially since the group is growing we don’t wanna demotivate people from wanting to rank up just because their ds isn’t being accepted in a timely manner

[unborn jackal]

could introduce the automated DS that chairman says is supposedly really easy to make for divisionless

[tropic crypt]

We don't promote AS to Officers.

(Well, I can't)

[small sail]

Yeah its AOA staff

Which is dumb

Imo, UC should control promotion to officer and officer+ until UC

[small sail]

I need to grind inf points

[carmine basin]

Means its true

[small sail]

Confirmed

Noah is the goat

[snow kindle]

Might look into that

Good comms

[snow kindle]

I was stuck at afa for 1.5 years alpne

[small sail]

Yeah for as big of a group as this is it's shocking how slow the progression is into high ranks

Even grinding to officer is slow

Which considering limited availability it can be but it shouldn't be when the officer core is understaffed

[fierce tendon]

nah

more

[small sail]

Yeah

And that's while no lifing

Like no tomorrow

[fierce tendon]

no lifing isnt THAT bad

towards the end when i got AS

i was doing 3 lessons morning 3 lessons evening

6*7 = (i cant do maths) lessons a week

thouh i think i was doing 6*5

so 30

i believe

[sly breach]

i wanted to change it like aoa but it got shut down because it would be too difficult to manage apparently

[sly breach]

no

i feel as if more people have a say its better considering everyone sees things differently and can point out flaws during promotion discussion

[small sail]

AOA staff could still vote if they are more senior but all UC+ should be involved imo

For officer+ promos and promos to officer

[rose swift]

i personally think

DHPoME, HPoME, DHoS, HoS, UC+ (& ToML) should vote

on all AS -> officer / officer+ promotions

[edgy geode]

It's DHP and HP.

[rose swift]

😡

let me be excessive

[elder lion]

"we're too lazy"