Reevaluate all ToML

[rough fossil]

Not chairman

[dense helm]

This was also a brick wall we had when thinking abt UM

[fallow gate]

Stupid reaction =/= evil person

[rough fossil]

He doesnt interact with the community at all

He oversees mdf right?

[normal geode]

Trading is both

[dense helm]

Ye

[normal geode]

No that’s Noah

[rough fossil]

Someone in mdf said he hadnt talked in 3 months in the non command channels

I wanted to make sure he still oversee it

Like you have to interact with people

[fervent cairn]

MDF personal not talking for 3 months?

they surely had to been active in game right

[rough fossil]

karl not talking

[fervent cairn]

Oh

I can’t even dm Karl for help if I wanted too

😭

[rough fossil]

Saucy didntt toml also end joke's UM term early by like 2 weeks

[dense helm]

No

[normal geode]

Just give joke toml already

[dense helm]

He did the full

[rough fossil]

also UM as a whole is badlyy set up

its just a slave program set up by toml

[normal geode]

Unpaid intern

[rough fossil]

its what makess them get to toml and go inctive cause they already did all this work

[fervent cairn]

what’s UM

Unit what

[rough fossil]

unit marshal

[dense helm]

If it was me id do that

[fervent cairn]

🫩

[dense helm]

Indeed

[rough fossil]

its a slave program where they have to do toml tasks to become a toml

[fervent cairn]

Lowkey never heard of that

[normal geode]

Basically just trialing toml but they do the shit toml don’t wanna

[leaden lintel]

id give guidelines a quick skim then

[dense helm]

UM probs do the most work for the group compared to anybody ever

[fallow gate]

dont give jjoke toml
let me extract entertainment from his pointless suffering

muahahahah

[fervent cairn]

No

Don’t feel like it

[normal geode]

Haven’t UM like re written guidelines b4

[rough fossil]

When was the last UM promotion

[rough fossil]

yes

[dense helm]

No

[rough fossil]

they rewrite and write whole ass guidelines sometimes

[dense helm]

updated ye

[rough fossil]

not the core guidelines

but other ones

[normal geode]

When I was still active in aegis

[silent moth]

after i asked 4 months prior

[fervent cairn]

So it’s basically doing toml work but you’re not getting toml

[dense helm]

Matx got toml 1 month ago

[normal geode]

Yeah

[rough fossil]

Ok before him?

Like 6 months

[normal geode]

Wait wtf matrix is toml

[silent moth]

nxrk

[cloud sentinel]

Nxrk

[dense helm]

U kept changing ur mind

[fervent cairn]

Crazy

[silent moth]

NOT TRUE

[fervent cairn]

LOL

😭😭

[dense helm]

and now u want to come back to the department

so u just playing around

[fervent cairn]

BAHAHHAHA

[rough fossil]

saucy just do what i said

[silent moth]

Smh.

[fervent cairn]

Can’t be real

[silent moth]

SAUCY JUST TROLLS.

[rough fossil]

merge every department into 1 department where they host these actually fun events

not dance partioes

with fake drinks

[silent moth]

not as pm

[rough fossil]

and a shitty build

[fervent cairn]

😭😭😭

[silent moth]

i mean i'll take pm but its just a shitty dead department

[normal geode]

U forgot to mention raid events

[dense helm]

Tell me how i merge wiki gamenight events and media

[silent moth]

there's no reviving events department

[rough fossil]

no one needs wiki

[fervent cairn]

Yes

[rough fossil]

no one attends gamenight

[normal geode]

Could have media and events work together

[silent moth]

90% of aecd is dead and there's no reviving them

[fervent cairn]

Wiki is needed

[rough fossil]

and no one watches or listens the interviews from media

[normal geode]

Might draw more attention

[leaden lintel]

some people enjoy it

[fervent cairn]

If you wanna know stuff about the game

[rough fossil]

aph was the last person i talked to who enjoyed reading it and wwriting it

[dense helm]

Dabestees said before we as leaders are responsible for it and its out problem

[rough fossil]

nobody else seems to care

[rough fossil]

not entirely

[dense helm]

Wiki is full of lore

[rough fossil]

but you can make decisions to help fix

[normal geode]

UC is just events now ngl

[leaden lintel]

have you asked anyone else if they like wiki?

[dense helm]

They do completely different things

[rough fossil]

no one reads aegis lore?

[leaden lintel]

or are you just going off of feels?

[fervent cairn]

Some do

[normal geode]

I mean like have media advertise any planned events

[rough fossil]

All i know is there was a resource war sometime and now we are in big wasteland

[dense helm]

Subjective

[rough fossil]

yes

[normal geode]

The only shit it’s useful for is finding out perhaps obscure info about a div u wanna join

[dense helm]

Dabestees has surveyed the whole of aegis

[rough fossil]

i practically have

[silent moth]

it is ur problem

[normal geode]

Where’s his signatures

[silent moth]

fix aecd

[fervent cairn]

😭

[silent moth]

i want fun events again

[fervent cairn]

ts funny

[earnest ice]

Events was a good excuse for abusing mod

[leaden lintel]

practically is crazy bc I was never asked

[rough fossil]

i somehoww know more than like 90% of the active playerbase

[silent moth]

i want FUN events deparment events

[rough fossil]

@dense helm put me in as events PM and watch me fix it in 2 weeks

[normal geode]

When uo

[rough fossil]

this is what im saying

[earnest ice]

Check roles

[fervent cairn]

What’s PM?

[silent moth]

-# not happening btw

[earnest ice]

🤑

[normal geode]

How

[rough fossil]

project manager

[rough fossil]

ik

[fervent cairn]

Oh

[earnest ice]

Click my pfp

[silent moth]

leader of an extra curricular department

dont even let me talk about kp's inactivity....

[earnest ice]

Prime minister

[fervent cairn]

Productive heavy is here

[normal geode]

What’s that

[silent moth]

kp has random spurts of activity lasting 1 month every year

[fervent cairn]

Another addition to the thread

[earnest ice]

I’ll find u

[fervent cairn]

Ohhh ok

[normal geode]

@high osprey (insert fat joke) hi

[dense helm]

U were the PM

[high osprey]

i barely play this game anymore but it can be very annoying having to converse with toml at times

[earnest ice]

Yeah but when he’s active we go through so much

😭

[silent moth]

There is NOTHING to do with that department

Events in DoD are shitty in general

[rough fossil]

saucy what about comfy

[echo prawn]

Did you finally go in a diet?

[rough fossil]

its been 2 years since his incident yet hes only moved up 1 rank

[normal geode]

DoD is shitty in general

[silent moth]

Im not spending 3 hours building an event, gaining nothing out of it, while 3 people attend

[rough fossil]

and hes the best performing uc

[fervent cairn]

😭

[dense helm]

We can all do that bro but if it lasts for even 2 months ur lucky

[rough fossil]

We dont need to build shitty events to go dance at

[silent moth]

I WAS ALREADY PM DAWG IM GAINING NOTHING

[high osprey]

bruh i've been to the gym yesterday and today

[earnest ice]

@dense helm do u enjoy being AO of AECD

[silent moth]

repromote muydata to ucomm

[high osprey]

smh

[open zenith]

I say we make a beyblade event where @silent moth is a beyblade spinning

[rough fossil]

ok

[dense helm]

Others say hes not standing out

[high osprey]

i've legit got nothing to do lately

[normal geode]

Yeah just to stare at dudes and eat

[rough fossil]

he lowk is

[high osprey]

smh

[fervent cairn]

Lowkey explore the world

if I was you

[silent moth]

comfy is the best performing uc currently

[fervent cairn]

explore and live you’re life

[silent moth]

ill die behind those words

[rough fossil]

yes

[normal geode]

Have you tried going to space

[echo prawn]

Climb everest

[leaden lintel]

lowkey that reminds me of the first event ive attended. Toby made a soccer tournament

[high osprey]

no aegis is more i'm

[silent moth]

i was better than comfy but its alright

[high osprey]

important

[dense helm]

Before when aegis was active now not so much its hard bc its suicidal w leadership and activity and members

[open zenith]

@kindred holly we need a rayris faces event

[silent moth]

i was supposed to get ucomm before i discharged

[dense helm]

We dont promote people thinking abt discharging

We can read ur thoughts

[fallow gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1370944442726482050/1439564564927877272/togif-117.gif

[silent moth]

you didnt know i was thinking about discharging....

[dense helm]

Did so

[fervent cairn]

Alright

[leaden lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-alien-babyalien-unmask-gif-6190106

[silent moth]

and before i got unfairly demoted i was supposed to get ucomm

i was supposed to get ucomm the conference i got demoted actually.

[dense helm]

Whatd u do again

[rough fossil]

he was framed by toml

[silent moth]

i was very rude to merci in dms

[fallow gate]

OH

OHHH

[rough fossil]

is ts actually the reason

[silent moth]

and i got a perm officer warning for it

[rough fossil]

💀

[fallow gate]

OOOOOOHHHHH

[fervent cairn]

ggs

[silent moth]

the broad reason yes

[fallow gate]

oh

[silent moth]

theres more

that goes into it

[rough fossil]

whatd u say that was so bad

[dense helm]

Maybe shouldnt have had too many warnings

[minor ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/holding-laugh-holding-laugh-meme-holding-laughter-meme-holding-in-laughter-holding-back-laugh-gif-24923196

[rough fossil]

drwillson get out

[open zenith]

^

[silent moth]

maybe tomls shouldnt be stupid and try and make decisions where they aren't supposed to

[minor ginkgo]

silence dabestees

you dont tell me what to do unc

[rough fossil]

you targetted iaurec and i will stop at nothing to get you demoted

[normal geode]

Azbawi vacate the suggestion

[fervent cairn]

Did I say laugh!

[open zenith]

Denied Ultrafat130

[fervent cairn]

No laughing matter yet

[minor ginkgo]

not the one who banned him

[silent moth]

and then have IC intervene removing me from my position 2 months after toml made that stupid decision

[normal geode]

Dude I was only gone for like 3 months how is iaurec banned again

[fervent cairn]

What happened to iaurec?

[silent moth]

@pastel spoke

[rough fossil]

you can say it all you want

[open zenith]

@silent moth You guys got a huge fan

[fervent cairn]

I just remembered that name he was a PKSF I think right

[silent moth]

LOL

saucy has no clap back for what i said.

[normal geode]

A while ago

[rough fossil]

he accidentally pinged chairman and when he appealed wilson immediately banned him for reaching max appeal limity

[minor ginkgo]

twunt

[fervent cairn]

Damn what happened

[normal geode]

Discharge

[dense helm]

Maybe im wrong didnt toml decide to leave it and months later IC intervened

[normal geode]

Can’t he just appeal the ban

Or did they put a limit on that

[rough fossil]

no

theres a limit

[normal geode]

What why

[rough fossil]

we are pushing for it to be removeed

[normal geode]

That’s fuckin dumb

[rough fossil]

its under toml consideration

[silent moth]

Toml decided to go against their own made guidelines where IC then intervened 2 months later enforcing those guidelines and demoted me

[fallow gate]

ToML left it at warn and IC intervened and demoted iirc

[dense helm]

Ye

[normal geode]

If you can technically infinitely appeal in game why should discord be different what

[dense helm]

So why he mad at us toml

[fervent cairn]

Having an appeal limit is crazy to me

[rough fossil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1356699368496959830/1386431693614878861/caption.gif

[silent moth]

because it was your guys fault

obviously i'm happy i got UC back yes, but it should've never happened like that

the rules shouldn't be bent for certain people

[rough fossil]

@silent moth what month were u demoted

[silent moth]

and in my situation it was for me

[silent moth]

all throughout summer basically

[rough fossil]

what month did ic demote u

[silent moth]

uhhhhhh

prob june ish

[dense helm]

If ic applied it it wasnt rule bending

[rough fossil]

hmm ok

[fallow gate]

++ But iirc again it was because the rule says that the warning should be a demotion but you guys gave a warning but no demotion so IC decided u were bending the rules and decided to apply the rules exactly as written

I am just reasoning it out I was not involved in this beyond like the first complaint

[pastel spoke]

@rough fossil No offense, but providing your complaints in this way is just childish and petty. You only are aching for attention and social outrage. If you actually have any evidence pertaining to ToML and what you "dislike" or don't believe they are "qualified" for. You can take it to SJB or AHRD.

[silent moth]

it was when 2 months prior the tomls went against their own guidelines

[normal geode]

@rough fossil stupid bitch ass Amazon prime isn’t letting me skip intros

[rough fossil]

Ok well I have a ton of community backing and I cant just go find classified information and submit a report can I

[minor ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/wah-serval-wah-serval-blue-corner-wah-wah-wah-gif-9294668074869302114

[silent moth]

#📢🌎global-shout message - demotion

#📢🌎global-shout message - repromotion

[rough fossil]

• this has backing of a lot of HR and former HRs including coded

[pastel spoke]

Well what you're doing is just making complaints and causing drama without anything to support your evidence.

[fallow gate]

wait u got repromoted?

[dense helm]

U didnt get a demotion u got a warning which resulted in a demotion big difference

[silent moth]

yes i got UC back and then discharged

[fallow gate]

fair beans

[pastel spoke]

@silent moth can we refocus -_-

[normal geode]

@rough fossil u gotta get ppl to testify unc

[silent moth]

No, I got my 2nd perm officer warning which should've been a demotion and ToML decided to not demote me, then IC intervened and demoted me

[fervent cairn]

If saucy got demoted for being underaged how is he ToML again

[odd bridge]

some toml actions are questionable

like not allowing officers to post their own trainings for some reason

also never promoting officers ever

[normal geode]

He wasn’t demoted

[rough fossil]

causing drama

i dont see any drama here

[fervent cairn]

He was

[fallow gate]

he was

[rough fossil]

i see a ton of support and the only opposition is from ahrd and toml

[high osprey]

i think the main reason for theses problems is that, sure IC changes the punishment but never actually bothers talking to TOML about it, how can toml know where they went wrong if all IC does is changes or reverts a punishment and leaves it as that.

ic are meant to supervise toml but right now all they are is a PR recovery team

[normal geode]

Since fuckin when what

[rough fossil]

even toml have supported it

[normal geode]

I don’t remember that at all

Must’ve been very insignificant

[fervent cairn]

Look at the message of the dude that got repromoted he got demoted in that exact message too

[pastel spoke]

the thread

[silent moth]

saucy was never demoted

[fallow gate]

This particular instance was quite clear tho
The rules say 2nd warning is demotion
If you give out a second warning but no demotion, does that mean ur bending the rules in favour of that person?

[silent moth]

he was put on pause for um since he was underage

[fervent cairn]

🫩

[rough fossil]

As I said, its only AHRD who seem to have an issue with this, they find we are trying to bypass their broken system to go straight to the root of it

[minor ginkgo]

top 5 best aegis dramas

[silent moth]

Exactly what i'm saying

[leaden lintel]

I'm sorry which AHRD said that?

[fervent cairn]

Freedom of speech isn’t drama

[fallow gate]

https://tenor.com/view/itachi-itachi-uchiha-naruto-anime-gif-gif-6980510505105788152

[silent moth]

@pastel spoke after ur done tab in thx

[rough fossil]

Thats why im sayying theyre in opposition

[silent moth]

finish ur message though

[pastel spoke]

Erm. I have never heard such an accusation. Also, AHRD isn't the place for that. ToML matters should go to IC or SJB

[rough fossil]

You and merci are the only ones actually disliking the suggestion

[dense helm]

Wait so muy would u rather have gotten demoted and warned or just warned

[pastel spoke]

Because you're being utterly stupid with how you are doing it

[normal geode]

Dab that’s dumb 2 members doesn’t make it as a whole

[leaden lintel]

I never said I disliked it, I just came to challenge the AHRD hate

[dense helm]

I love AHRD

I love them

[normal geode]

ahrd is corrupt

[rough fossil]

As I said earlier I cant just materialize classified evidence without either A. me being banned for getting people to leak it to me or option B. Rank up to UC or toml to see the evidence myself

[silent moth]

i would've rather what happened 100 times over, but at the same time it isn't fair to other officer+ who get their 2nd perm officer warning and just get demoted instantly

[leaden lintel]

L ragebait, try again buster

[fallow gate]

Dont challenge the AHRD hate
let it flow through your veins
it gives you power

[leaden lintel]

yes master rib

[rough fossil]

you have ssp as a compliance officer

[normal geode]

oh no it’s called fact

[rough fossil]

i will never go to ahrd if ssp can even see my case

[silent moth]

LOL

[leaden lintel]

alr lemme shoot you down real quick

[normal geode]

You wouldn’t go to ahrd anyways let’s be fr

[rough fossil]

im 1 for 1 with my ahrd cases bud

[silent moth]

im 1 for 1 too

[normal geode]

I hope u get 0 for 1928484829

[rough fossil]

rib handled the entire case thats the only reason it wasnt bias asf

[silent moth]

personally i don't trust all of ahrd.

[dense helm]

Too many cases to count but never made one myself

[fallow gate]

ragebait

SSP (or any CO or Lead CO) cannot see any cases by default

The only way they see a case is after either me or marshee assign it

[normal geode]

Nah I wouldn’t cuz I can’t trust them to not be biased

[rough fossil]

Cant compliance officers see the open tickets

[silent moth]

i trust someone like rib

[normal geode]

Especially against me

[fallow gate]

no

[rough fossil]

i still wouldnt go to ahrd

[normal geode]

Well yeah he’s been impartial a lot

[rough fossil]

cant trust em

[silent moth]

i'd rather go to ic i trust coded a lot more

[fervent cairn]

62-3

ggs

[normal geode]

Can we make it 67

🤲🤲🤲

[rough fossil]

coded said last night he left anyything to do with ic

[fervent cairn]

Coded isn’t ic anymore

[rough fossil]

he said hes done with group management forever

[silent moth]

@paper rover Ur fake bro.

[leaden lintel]

First of all, any time a new case drops, anyone who has a Conflict of Interest is immediately removed from the case all-together. Secondly, rib has to sign off on any judgement a CO makes before it even happens. THIRDLY, I am the Lead CO and I ensure that all of my CO's adhere to protocol. My CO's always check in with me or someone above me before committing to something and I will stop anything that I think goes against protocol

[paper rover]

bruh

[high osprey]

i'm not saying toml weren't in the wrong, but who's actually telling them this, someone with actual authority needs to let them know as we've seen how little aegis hrs listen to lower ranks

[silent moth]

after dealing with my ic case u just got up and dipped

[fallow gate]

yes he isnt
I reprimanded for reporting on * an IC matter to him today since he doesnt want to be involved anymore

[normal geode]

Rattle ur more biased than mr bias

[rough fossil]

i trust probably rib and pixel

[leaden lintel]

show me proof

[silent moth]

i trust @tropic sorrel with my LIFE

[leaden lintel]

drop the proof rn

[fervent cairn]

Ok ok

[paper rover]

well i didnt reprimand u...

[normal geode]

Sorry it’s classified

[paper rover]

thats a bit deamatic

dramatic*

[fallow gate]

dob

[leaden lintel]

oof, tragic lol

[fallow gate]

dob

not u

[paper rover]

oh

[silent moth]

coded do you believe ToML term limits would be tuff

[leaden lintel]

then its a good thing rib has power over everything happening in AHRD and can veto any decision we make

[silent moth]

similarly to UOC

[fervent cairn]

Yes

[silent moth]

IC/Chairman can give extensions

[fallow gate]

well more like sent a stern message

[normal geode]

Nah it should be we the people

[fallow gate]

CAN YOU LET ME BE DRAMATIC

[paper rover]

oops

[rough fossil]

it should be the community

[paper rover]

sorry

[minor ginkgo]

ultraflame130 give me an ahrd handpick

[silent moth]

No because that will be bias 100%

[normal geode]

A vast majority is jkl

[rough fossil]

shut up wilson

[silent moth]

ToML's that aren't liked by the community would not be voted for extension

[paper rover]

probably

[normal geode]

what’s that

[rough fossil]

thats like saying a president with a horrible approval rating wouldnt be reelected

[rough fossil]

they lead the countryy and toml run the group

[silent moth]

doesn't mean they aren't doing a good job

[fallow gate]

zoomdani

[cloud sentinel]

Gng why this is still going on

[normal geode]

maybe they don’t deserve one then?

[cloud sentinel]

Go shower

Jk

[silent moth]

many tomls aren't liked by the group but still do a good job

[normal geode]

Noah was loved but all he did was eat

😡

[echo prawn]

1401 messages

[silent moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936962093532467226/1185239129399767100/caption.gif

[odd bridge]

take the elon musk approach, every toml has 48 hours to turn in a statement saying what they did for aegis in the past year

[fallow gate]

AIA toml never getting an extension because [classified] [classified] [classified] [classified] [classified] [classified] [classified] [classified] [classified] and so they cant speak about anything theyve done

[rough fossil]

can we just get a chairman ping and move on

[silent moth]

CAN WE GET TOML REPORTS YEARLY

[cloud sentinel]

Isnt he working on a ic ai

To monitor tomls

[normal geode]

I mean if walac is aia dictator the toml ain’t ever leaving

[fallow gate]

I have no comments on this matter at the moment

[silent moth]

walac will be aia uoc longer than any toml will be toml

[normal geode]

Prob

[cloud sentinel]

I mean walac is good uoc

[silent moth]

i believe he is to an extend

extent

[rough fossil]

hes been there since marshal

he should be forced out

there isnt even a dc

[silent moth]

i obviously know more than most of u since i was aia but

[solid iris]

no who told you that

[fallow gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1370944442726482050/1439564564927877272/togif-117.gif

[cloud sentinel]

Yea im saying from an non aia member

[solid iris]

he talks with dc+

[rough fossil]

mdf

[cloud sentinel]

Never been in aia so idk

[normal geode]

No u weren’t that was someone hacking ur acc

[silent moth]

i love walac but he's been uoc too long

[rough fossil]

ur lost in the fucking head

"in the non command channels"

does that mean dc+ channels?

[normal geode]

Yeah

[solid iris]

why does he need to talk in non command channels

[normal geode]

idk to be engaged with the like majority of his div

[solid iris]

oh brother

[normal geode]

sometimes the lower ranks got the best advice

like ever

[silent moth]

every AO should be engaged with their respective AO position

[normal geode]

anyways bring back cuo

[silent moth]

matrix talks to all of aed!

[cloud sentinel]

Rikka as well

[odd bridge]

matrix actually has to do shit since the div is new tbf

rikka wasnt bad when i was ard

[solid iris]

^

[cloud sentinel]

Rikka is good

If you ping him he replies almsot immediately if hes online

[odd bridge]

actually kinda involved

in the div

[cloud sentinel]

In ard yes

[paper rover]

ive never liked AIA getting exceptions to things

[silent moth]

he does a good amount coming from me as hr in the div

[vivid cradle]

Same in DMs.

[paper rover]

it's kinda bs

[cloud sentinel]

3d is also active in game

He fixed some stuff when we needed

[earnest ice]

Some tomls barely respond to important pings in sc

[odd bridge]

3d has like youthful energy yk

[silent moth]

matrix is very active in game

[odd bridge]

hes a new toml

[normal geode]

Yeah it’s dumb nobody should get an exception

Maybe change the rules in the future

But it just doesn’t make much sense

[earnest ice]

I still think that’s it’s completely BS that they were allowed to play a clone game as a “joke” but then banned others for it

[leaden lintel]

To be honest, I don't think it would hurt to have an annual/biannual ToML eval. My only concern is how it would be carried out because it would have to be a well-structured evaluation criteria.

[earnest ice]

Still don’t get how no one is talking abt that

[normal geode]

Since fuckin when were ppl banned for playing a clone game

[cloud sentinel]

Isnt chairman working on an ic ai

To monitor tomls

[normal geode]

I thought they had to contribute to it for some reason

[earnest ice]

The same person who played it banned people for it

[leaden lintel]

thats the first ive heard of it lol

[odd bridge]

dear lord bro

[cloud sentinel]

lol

[odd bridge]

ai should not operate in an administrative capacity

[normal geode]

Lmao

[odd bridge]

its not ready

[cloud sentinel]

Ai is useful as helping tool

[normal geode]

I hope the ai does a warhammer ai on aegis

Would be so funny

[cloud sentinel]

💀

[silent moth]

Btw demoted on june 7th, the incident happened march 12th LOL

[odd bridge]

aegis skynet

[cloud sentinel]

How

[normal geode]

What if instead of march

It was walk

[cloud sentinel]

Skull

[silent moth]

because ic intervene 3 months later

[cloud sentinel]

Bruh

[odd bridge]

i think

1. increase toml transparency, supposedly they vote on shit but nobody really knows, it appears they just rank sit to most people
2. term limits might actually encourage toml to do shit with their limited time
3. toml should be evaluated by ic and their respective div commands to determine what they have contributed

[dreamy sphinx]

🪧

[vivid cradle]

The number 1 would work, number 2 would be mostly a IC/SJB or Chairman decision, and the 3 is no clue.

🤔

[fervent cairn]

What I miss

[vivid cradle]

I missed a lot, so I'm reading the last thing.

[normal geode]

It’s pretty universally accepted that people want term limits for toml but I really doubt it’s happening

Cuz it’s real dumb how division leaders have one

But basically their bosses don’t have one

But it just won’t happen because toml don’t believe there’s enough UC qualified to replace them

[odd bridge]

the community wants a lot of shit that will never be approved it seems

[odd bridge]

there are so many promosing aa staff and officers too but they never get noticed/promoted

[vivid cradle]

Some stuff are not approved that easily.

I don't have any upvote or downvote here, since is a clash of stuff.

[fervent cairn]

So far it’s 62-2

[vivid cradle]

Even if the community approve this, you know that some of this won't be happened. Unless as I said before, is really a big red flag.

[fervent cairn]

Yea ik

And it gotta be approved my chairman n etc

[vivid cradle]

I can say ToMLs do their job well, some not, we're unsure of what they even talk.

Is like there's no such special ingredient to make them the perfect all mighty being.

BUT as long as they're doing what they're suppose to do, we cannot say much.

[odd bridge]

ideally, the best person for the position should hold the position

[vivid cradle]

As well, if they're risking to be AO for 3 or 4 stuff, that's on them, as well their dowfall.

[vivid cradle]

I agree on that, but we cannot say "They're doing the worst job" or such things, because we're unsure about what's going on inside.

Just because some people does comments, we cannot trust 100% on their words.

[dreamy sphinx]

fine I ran a vote for monthly newsletters

[odd bridge]

that goes back to lack of transparency, and also the need for evaluations by those who do know what's going on inside

[odd bridge]

thats good, we'll see how it goes

it won't be a good look if TOML shoots it down

[vivid cradle]

As merci said, and it is true. If you really need to show what are they doing wrong, contact and show it to them. Because right now... We're kinda just saying stuff without something to defend with.

[vivid cradle]

Depends, the transparency doesn't mean they need to show all the stuff they do, but as well they cannot hide something that can be know to the public.

[dreamy sphinx]

for transparency

im project: valkyrie's toml overwatch

im not being transparent anymore

[odd bridge]

bros had enough

[odd bridge]

not really a fair argument tbf, saying "prove it" when hes arguing a lack of activity and action by toml

what would the evidence be? a screenshot of their lack of activity?

which would be classified in divisional servers anyway

calling it childish and petty is kind of ad hominem and doesnt really address the issue at hand

[vivid cradle]

So you can't do much.

Never said is fair.

Is something that one way or another you need to do if you feel the things happening inside are not working.

[odd bridge]

the suggestion is to reevaluate, most of the community has recognized some toml are good and others should be reviewed

i dont think anybody is demanding a massive reform or demoting current standing members

[vivid cradle]

If you reevaluate someone, and the person doesn't show what it is supposed to do, the person would mostly be demoted.

[odd bridge]

which would come as a result of evidence found in the reevaluation

[vivid cradle]

Which this makes it true.

Demoting some of the current ones.

[odd bridge]

the opposite argument is that evidence is needed to take action, but that is a misrepresentation of what the community is asking for

a reevaluation would, in the best case scenario, assure the aegis community that toml is doing well in their positions

[vivid cradle]

To reevaluate someone, what you need?

[odd bridge]

determine their contributions during their tenure and determine whether or not they have done their duties well

or have just been sitting on the rank

[vivid cradle]

And if it was wrong?

Who will have the clown face?

See?

[odd bridge]

the reevaluation?

IC i guess

i dont think it would be wrong

[vivid cradle]

US

Because we're saying to reevaluate them, when we don't have nothing to defend that.

[odd bridge]

im confused what youre saying

[vivid cradle]

All of you for I can understand wants to reevaluate ToMLs.

[odd bridge]

it would be done by qualified individuals

[mortal depot]

yes

[odd bridge]

like IC and their respective div commands

[mortal depot]

who have access to said classified information

[vivid cradle]

Ok, and to do that, what we need?

[mortal depot]

what we're doing is calling for those individuals to reevaluate toml

[leaden lintel]

cough

[odd bridge]

yes

[mortal depot]

i agree

[odd bridge]

in my mind it would be conducted by IC, probably by interviewing their div UOC/command members and also examining their activity in their areas of oversight

[vivid cradle]

I think they mentioned this somewhere.

🤔

[odd bridge]

Nxrk proposed monthly newsletters

presumably to ToML

so its up to ToML whether or not ToML is going to be transparent

[mortal depot]

i think the results will be

pretty telling

[odd bridge]

yep

[mortal depot]

whether it's passed or denied

[odd bridge]

if its denied we'll never hear about it

[vivid cradle]

Let me later explain, I'm eating and me doing a slowly explanation is not my style...

[tropic sorrel]

Yoooooooo

[tropic sorrel]

Yoooooo

[daring copper]

Tbh, the whole OCE thing wasn't as bad as people think it was

She did something stupid yeh, but it didn't warrant that harsh of a punishment as it did imo

[deft plover]

she only got removed from HR no?

as it was pretty gross conduct with an intern

[daring copper]

Fuck u im not that hungry

AIA will suffice

[daring copper]

IIRC that was what happened yeah

[deft plover]

ban was her fault tho

[daring copper]

But tbh, she looked like she just gave up

[cloud sentinel]

She also got banned from here

[daring copper]

Like she just wanted to leave and be done with it

[deft plover]

yeah but that was completely her fault

[cloud sentinel]

I dont know if she got ecoban

[daring copper]

and she decided to go out with a bang ig

[cloud sentinel]

Probably no

[deft plover]

she wasnt originally discord banned

she just decided to post the dms

which had nsfw material

[cloud sentinel]

Oh right that wasnt smart as well

[daring copper]

People completely blown it out of proportion tbh

it really wasnt that bad like marshal/zock level

[deft plover]

release the zock files

[daring copper]

But maaaaaaan i did NOT expect that from zock

[deft plover]

and dont make it black lines

[daring copper]

I think I wasnt even aware of it at the time and walac just dropped a bombshell on me lmao

[deft plover]

idk people just get falsely labelled as predators

gone was an example

oce too

[mortal depot]

what did zock do?

[deft plover]

he likes children

[mortal depot]

remember wizard_aia?

[leaden lintel]

He initiated an inappropriate interaction with a minor in a very bad way

[daring copper]

They see it and immediately refer to it as pedophilia

[fervent cairn]

damn Noah found the thread too

[mortal depot]

ah

[daring copper]

Some fat fucks kept saying it was a good idea for me to eat AECD

[fervent cairn]

😭

[silent moth]

i BEEN saying this.

[daring copper]

Another fat FUCK is here

https://tenor.com/view/you-smell-stinky-angry-birds-gif-26105906

[silent moth]

don't talk about yourself like that

[cloud sentinel]

Zock was diddy

[daring copper]

Been saying it since day 1 buddy

[cloud sentinel]

He was in the files

[silent moth]

same

she should not have been punished as hard as she was

[leaden lintel]

There's also the attacking of people that say this

[daring copper]

If zock was diddy marshal was Epstein

[leaden lintel]

which is insane

[daring copper]

Yeah it was stupid

[cloud sentinel]

Yes

[daring copper]

Epstein files got released but its all blacked out who couldve guessed

[leaden lintel]

"we gave them the files, why aren't they happy?"

lol

[daring copper]

"We definitely did not delay it to redact stuff"

[cloud sentinel]

“Lets censor what they want see”

[mortal depot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1359872510807507038/1452481528952000655/attachment.gif

[frank hazel]

👍

[fervent cairn]

ggs what’s up with these people n their interactions with people not their age

[open zenith]

@slate bluff

[mild thorn]

feel like the only active tomls rn are nxrk and matrix

[queen escarp]

@daring copper leave already bro

ur pushing 30.....

[daring copper]

50.........................

[queen escarp]

still a cunt.....

[daring copper]

i already left stoopid.....................

[queen escarp]

nop

[daring copper]

Once you reach my age you'll know why............................

[fervent cairn]

oh

[misty zephyr]

Bro. 💀

[high osprey]

CIA forgot to censor some pages bro we got the proof already 🤑

they're corrupt anyways

they started a coup and assassinated jfk

but that's a story for another time 💔

[chrome peak]

ultimately yeah ToML probably need some kind of term limit or something

not necessarily a term limit if they're doing well but a lot of them just seem to drop off the face of the earth after a while

[chrome peak]

transparency is definitely a must imo

I think ToML should probably have a public motion system, maybe community suggestions with X amount of reactions are automatically voted on by ToML and the results are made public to everyone

[mild thorn]

yeah they should def have terms

[cloud willow]

Absolutely, Transparency reduces Corruption well if not completely eliminate it.

[mild thorn]

would allow more people to have the chance of being toml

[chrome peak]

SC has a similar system already and KP made the bot we use so a system like this should be quite easy to implement for the main group given I know it's already used in SC, and I believe it's used elsewhere in AEGIS as well just behind the scenes

ToML should probably release a monthly report on what they've been working on for that month as well imo

[split moth]

I feel like it goes without saying (i saw a bit of ahrd discourse) AHRD can’t actually do anything.

They determine whether or not something was done or dealt with right, or if something hasn’t been dealt with make sure it goes through the appropriate channels to be dealt with first.

No one in AHRD veto dob have any power over anyone.

It justs advises, points and judges.

If y’all have shit against toml, bring it to AHRD and see if there is a direction it can be taken in, sure.

[chrome peak]

I mean it isn't exactly AHRD's purpose to be evaluating ToML anyway

[split moth]

Yeah.

[chrome peak]

Really ToML performance needs to probably be evaluated by the chairman given he can see everything that goes on

Or Dob

[split moth]

I say AHRD as a whole including Dob.

Realistically without corpsii I’ve noticed toml don’t rlly work as much of a group anymore nor hold each other accountable for things.

[vivid cradle]

I kinda feel that too for some reason, like a essential essence was lost.

🤔

Then seven, and noah.

[split moth]

Seven and Noah were the last two to follow the old regimen.

[vivid cradle]

And right now, KP is like holding the last column when the others are building each one slowly.

Some a bit faster, other's slowly. Like still not a complete one, but kinda.

[split moth]

Tbh not even Kpd. The current toml are much more brash, blatant in their disrespect at times (the non constructive type anyways), and not afraid of not actively contributing.

Lazor and matrix are separated from this because they’re newer.

Matrix though was already falling into the pattern.

Even before UM.

[vivid cradle]

I don't count new ones, since those are slowly organizing.

[chrome peak]

How so?

UCs don't really get much power over the group, I don't think it's possible for a UC to fall into the same pattern as ToML because we don't really have close to the same duties

[split moth]

The problem i think lies ultimately, as much as i appreciate the insane amount of work he’s added to updates, with Dylan holding his subordinates accountable.

Being deadass. Dob and Dylan need to step it up and put them in their places, see if anyone actually wants to be in said place and if not shuffle them along.

[vivid cradle]

UMs are a trialing ToML, so they have the same power as a ToML.

[split moth]

Power irrelevant i was talking about behaviour.

[chrome peak]

"Even before UM"

[split moth]

Matrix’s negligence of AOA proved enough for my doubt in the potential of ToML worth on his end.

[chrome peak]

I mean yeah but the point I'm making is that the duties of a UC are inherently different

A lot of UCs don't do much at all and that's because we don't have anything to do

[split moth]

Okay doesn’t change treatment of groups/departments/ppl you lead.

[vivid cradle]

I mean power blinds people. Sometimes affects them, never said only power.

[split moth]

For someone who didn’t have a lot he was negligent in even that.

But yeah nah.

[vivid cradle]

In that part, I agree.

[chrome peak]

Most of my time in AEGIS is spent working on SC rather than doing main AEGIS things unless if it is cleaning up an incident or something

[split moth]

Ultimately dylan need to kick toml up the ass, they either need to nod and get on with stuff or step back.

Their attitude rn or the ‘b-b-b-but we are doing our jobs!!!!’

Isn’t enough

[chrome peak]

I won't argue with this because I'm not up to date on the root causes of AOA's issues

[split moth]

Make changes, be active, hold yourself and fellow toml responsible, take it a bit more seriously.

[chrome peak]

Ultimately though it is important to keep in mind that there are external factors which are often difficult for leadership to control, whether this was the case for AOA though I'm unsure, eitherway the state that it's gotten too isn't really justifiable

[split moth]

it should not be that difficult, its not a crime to want active and competent people admining for a group. 🤷🏻‍♂️

again not talking about aoa as a whole

the personal behaviour and choices of matrix

got nothing to do with it as a whole

[chrome peak]

My point is ultimately it is important to consider what you do and don't know from your perspective

As I said I'm not defending AOA but in my experience some things can be a lot more difficult than they appear to the average member

[split moth]

At the end of the day-

It doesnt matter.

Hes doing good enough as toml, as it is.

Not peak aegis level but it's enough.

When you got, scuse the blatency, absolute bullshit that's these joke suggestions like #1452650094762524743, when realistically there isn't any slander its just basic criticism, it shows such a divide of 'them vs us' that it makes the group generally so impersonal

and this criticism being treated like a joke by extension doesnt help

[odd bridge]

any who dare question toml’s administration are certainly slandering the entire group

[split moth]

not joking

[mild thorn]

karl

[open zenith]

I slander the game so why not the group?

[tropic saddle]

not true, only when given that authority by toml. Usually for certain tasks that require it. Otherwise they keep the unitcom authority

[vivid cradle]

So is a buffed UComm?

🤔

[vivid cradle]

Better to know now than never.

[chrome peak]

someone removed their reaction because you sent this

[mortal depot]

You’re contributing to the downfall of this group

[leaden lintel]

DOJ but yeah sure lol

[dusty kettle]

we're back to 67

[odd bridge]

nope somebody removed oke again

i think the checks are permanently capped at 66

[rough fossil]

Stop sending 67 jokes

[dusk drum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/874440787704827934/1370238374719262892/Ice_Age_3_Buck_broccoli.gif

[fallow gate]

@hallow meteor

[hallow meteor]

no

[fallow gate]

u got the role nub

[hallow meteor]

what one

if its the one i think youre talking about that got fixed like a week ago i think

[urban charm]

holy 68 upvotes

[exotic wasp]

Someone just removed their vote to make it 67 😭

[sharp gale]

Alright gotta remove mine

[echo prawn]

Went from 68 to 64

[tropic sorrel]

I would’ve expected more tbh

@tropic saddle let’s just come back

[chrome panther]

fr

[rough fossil]

people r unliking cause they are scared

[silent moth]

same

[chrome peak]

They're unliking to keep it at 67

[urban kayak]

ty for reminding me

https://tenor.com/view/67-67-kid-edit-analog-horror-phonk-gif-3349401281762803381

[hushed sluice]

tuff

[normal geode]

67

🤲🤲🤲🤲🤲🤲

[open zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/shaquille-o'neal-shaq-67-6-7-gif-5184942973847308913

[split moth]

Finally an actually funny number

[rough fossil]

chairman has looked and responded to multiple other posts that are way newer than this one 💔

Can we get a response too

[dreamy sphinx]

🪧

[fervent cairn]

😂

[steep fiber]

He knows we don’t need a reevaluation 🤪

[exotic wasp]

Holy ragebait

[earnest ice]

Probably thinks this is a joke ngl

[silent moth]

rage bait

[hearty heath]

im active af 😾

[tropic sorrel]

responded 4 days late

[fallow gate]

this post doesnt really note any ways to improve the current situation
dylan wont be interested if your reads like "burn it all down, nuke it all, lets start again"

unless shit has absolutely hit the fan he isnt doing to go for that option

[vivid cradle]

I mean, all I see bombs everywhere, but not a single stuff about WHY exactly must they reevaluate all of them. Activity is something that mayority of the time is considered for the group, since they mostly are the ones who talk and do the rules, or even are the last word to fix people's missjudgement.

But if the Chairman isn't here, I think the reason is kinda obvious.

[open zenith]

I’ve seen doblox ingame more than you

[fallow gate]

no it still exists

it just doesnt need to do any work anymore

but it exists if only to veto SJB incase it does something stupid

[split moth]

Inactivity, poor judgement, poor attitude, lack of new ideas/changes, poor public relationship (as a whole).

[deft plover]

^

every point there is valid except maybe lack of new ideas

[rough fossil]

How to improve is to evaluate every toml to see what they have actually done that benefits the group in the past ~6-12 months

[deft plover]

@rough fossil dw if you get any criticism just make a new joke feedback post instead of addressing it

[rough fossil]

We actually have community support for this as over 70+ people have upvoted agreeing with the suggestion while only 5 people (with 2 of those being people never even been in a division) saying we shouldn't do this

[rough fossil]

yes

[vivid cradle]

(I know, just making a little knive on the back)

[fervent cairn]

Well well well

[still leaf]

@rancid abyss

[rough fossil]

W leon

[frank hazel]

alr dab wtf

[fervent cairn]

😭

[vague sable]

W

[dusk drum]

based

[hearty heath]

bro….

[still leaf]

Peak insult

[spiral yacht]

boii ts so tuff

[slate bluff]

Just become more active problem solved

[misty zephyr]

Honestly yeah inactivity needs to be fixed

[frank hazel]

been 4 days and theu guy is still not yet striked...

[torpid sentinel]

he has perms to ping

[mortal depot]

look at his roles