Enforce Divisionless bin rules

[glacial furnace]

According to the shout made (#📢shout message);

FA+ will now spawn with bin tools (player marker + scanner) and may use it during Protocol: Processing so long as divisionals are not currently performing the task.
This is, however, rarely enforced and I suggest that SC should be making sure divisionless aren't doing bin duties when divisionals are. It takes away one of our main tasks during Processing, and the FAs could be used elsewhere.
Often, SC I tell about this rule have to check the shout to make sure I'm not lying which just further showing that the rule isn't well known.

[heavy jasper]

yet another rule only mentioned in shouts and nowhere else 😔

[signal raptor]

meh, i think it should be designed around first come first serve

[heavy jasper]

^

[signal raptor]

like, if a div is doing it, then they're doing it

[heavy jasper]

it lets divisionals have more freedom to do their duties

[glacial furnace]

it's a divisional duty, not divisionless

[signal raptor]

yet why were SC given a marker then

[glacial furnace]

so when divs arent doing it, FAs can

[still lion]

Its a privilige

[signal raptor]

so ur saying

[still lion]

Not a right

[signal raptor]

if a FA is currently doing bins, and a div shows up, they take priority?

lol no

[glacial furnace]

the divisional? they should yes, according to the shout

[signal raptor]

if the FA is doing it correctly, then let them

the shout

a fucking shout

not even an actual rule

[glacial furnace]

it's a divisional duty not a divisionless duty

[signal raptor]

now ur circling

divless can do it imo, even if divs want to

it should be first come first serve

not by any priority

• its not even that big of a deal who does it

as long as its done correctly

[still lion]

It is since divless love doing bins for sum reason

[signal raptor]

i do think that SC should be given the right to remove people from duties if they just suck ass at doing it

including divs

[glacial furnace]

can we at least limit the amount of divisionless that can do it there was like 7 earlier

[signal raptor]

because their other duties, which are scarce, are boring

[still lion]

We do

[signal raptor]

thats good

[still lion]

Hi frant

[vivid chasm]

One sec, I want to comment here later, mobile issues.

[signal raptor]

also idk how PKSF feels about doing bins

if its that big of a deal there or not @glacial furnace

[vivid chasm]

I remember the rule of the FA+ is still on effect on the guidelines, unless they change it.

[tidal zealot]

I like it when divless do bins when im doing them tbh

[glacial furnace]

all i was suggesting was to enforce a rule that does exist i never said it was an issue

[slim sparrow]

actually its shared between everyone

[tidal zealot]

They help out and at the very least can acg as a meatshield

[signal raptor]

never implied it was an issue

[signal raptor]

this

[slim sparrow]

i dont think anyone gaf who doing bins unless they like

manage to fuck up

[tidal zealot]

“Waah they are helping me waah”

Not directed at anyone btw

[slim sparrow]

no comment

this lowk a rage suggestion

[signal raptor]

no i think in PKSF its a big deal im guessing

cause in sthd, is sure as fuck isnt

[glacial furnace]

rage? at what point did i get mad about it

[tidal zealot]

I dont really think i ever saw a divless mess up bins tbh

[tidal zealot]

Hes saying its ragebait

[slim sparrow]

ur very passive aggresive when not getting it ur way ive seen

[tidal zealot]

Imo, the rule should be removed

[slim sparrow]

yea

[glacial furnace]

i have a point, i try to get it across, how is that passive aggressive? not once have i made any kind of remark that i disliked them doing bins, i just wanted to enforce a rule that already exists

[slim sparrow]

youre doing it right now

[tidal zealot]

But why do you want it enforced

[vivid chasm]

I mean...

[slim sparrow]

im not gonna continue this cause if i do

ill get punished in some form

[glacial furnace]

yeah, enciting drama

[vivid chasm]

Because people still asks for bin duties even if divisionals are there?

One time happened, so maybe that's why.

[tidal zealot]

I meant for people who already have them via the marker thingy

[slim sparrow]

idk if u noticed but sc arent giving a random operative bintools while someone else is doing em

[glacial furnace]

its when im sat doing bins and like 5 divisionless with the binmarker thing come and do them

[tidal zealot]

I see no problem

[slim sparrow]

free duty

[vivid chasm]

I never said Operative+.

[glacial furnace]

there already isnt a lot to do during processing with little to no raiders, then when divisionless come and do something you're already doing it just makes it boring

yeah you might say free duty state but its not "free" when you have to not look AFK for an hour

[slim sparrow]

u can just sit in recreational

lol

[glacial furnace]

it doesnt quite work like that

[slim sparrow]

idk about pksf but it sure does for sthd

[glacial furnace]

if you're caught being afk for the majority of your DS itll get denied, points removed and often divisional punishment like a demotion or something

[vivid chasm]

I would feel this would be good if ICP is on.

In my opinion.

Due to the amount of people coming.

[slim sparrow]

like 5 divless wont make a diffrence if they do bins or dont

theres only 4 processing booths and 1 bat every like 20-30 mins

[vivid chasm]

And the normal :bintools one just for 1 time life.

[slim sparrow]

or just learn to do them together

[vivid chasm]

Kinda makes a difference, since if divisional came first to do the bin duties, and suddenly 10 FA+ comes to steal the duty, then why you selected the duty if at the end they'll steal it?

As well as patrols, because if they don't put a limit amount of people to attend one, how many people would they grab?

The border will be empty, and where are they? In a patrol.

Sadly, on this occasion, since there's no limit, people can spam bintools, which is not supposed to happen.

[gritty rover]

Divisionless are better suited for processing and defense duties as there are no shortage of those posts and theyre both extremely important duties to carry out

If bins are currently being occupied by a divisional, then the divisionless FA should go find something more productive to do rather than sit around at bins being useless

[vivid chasm]

They're useful, but... Not in the best times.

[gritty rover]

I swear these mindless takes from these randoms are so odd lol

[vivid chasm]

I still remember the old rule when 1 life-

Wait...

Why not a command that give bintools with an amount of times, instead of being permanent?

[gritty rover]

I remember when there wasnt that fense in front of the gate, it was just open nothingness

[gritty rover]

cooking

[vivid chasm]

That fixes an issue, if they lost those lifes, they cannot reclaim to do bin duties again, and they can keep doing another duty.

I am a genius!

[gritty rover]

well done frant

or we can have PKSF genocide anyone we see doing bins if we feel like it

but your idea would probably be more popular

[velvet nexus]

i forget this rule exists

[vivid chasm]

F.

ItzCrime must be executed.

[velvet nexus]

oh no

😨

frant gonna give himself tk perms to tk me!! 😨 😨 😱 😭

[gritty rover]

or he can give me tk perms and I can do it

[vivid chasm]

PKSF you have KOS orders once in-game to follow and murder without issues all SCs who don't follow this rule! Juasjuasjuasjuas

[gritty rover]

I like that option

[gritty rover]

epic

just 2 problems lol

[vivid chasm]

It's a joke.

[gritty rover]

ik lol

[vivid chasm]

Still say the 2 problems.

[gritty rover]

Large Scale Termination restriction
UC Orders in-game vs online restriction

But if youre toml, that changes

[vivid chasm]

Crazy.

[gritty rover]

so get toml

[vivid chasm]

Ok saving that idea for an event called "Hunting SCs"

[velvet nexus]

😨

[vivid chasm]

(Ok no)

[velvet nexus]

@sitontrol

we're in dnagr

[vivid chasm]

But being seriuos, that was my solution for the FA+ bin tools infestation.

[gritty rover]

https://tenor.com/view/congratulations-northkorea-korea-indeed-gif-5721006

[slim sparrow]

there most definetley is a limit to processing

only 6 posts that process civillians

7 and 8 if you count bat hosts and co hosts

also more people doing bins is just gonna let you chill as a supervisor

its also "safer" so to speak

[ionic crater]

Afirm

[gritty rover]

cough defense posts too

[slim sparrow]

incursion exists for that

also bins are a defensive post

arguably

[gritty rover]

bins have a processing post and several defensive posts

[gritty rover]

so border defense is just irrelevant and shouldn't be focused on when processing is in effect?

[slim sparrow]

theres a reason people arent exactly posted on roof or aed

[gritty rover]

yeah because its unrealistic for SC to be everywhere in the border 24/7

[slim sparrow]

you could just have more than 1 sc a server

[gritty rover]

thats not really in my control

and I dont know if you've seen SC activity recently, but it isnt too great

[slim sparrow]

so then why do u comment about sc stuff

if ur concerned about that why not become sc

[gritty rover]

you brought up posting people at different posts, what do you mean?

can you just pick a subject and stick to it?

[slim sparrow]

no i didnt

[gritty rover]

?

[slim sparrow]

i just said theres a reason people arent being posted at aed or roof during processing

thats not exactly what you said

[gritty rover]

Yeah im not gonna entertain this lol

[woeful dune]

if they are checking the shout about that

they are idiots and shouldnt be in a position of power

its a sc rule to prioritize divisionals over divless

report them to uo for being morons

[slim sparrow]

if ur that pissy over a guy doing a lego duty then i dont think i deserve to be a divisional

entire point of the game is to have fun in the end

[woeful dune]

no its not

dod is a career.

[slim sparrow]

you probably dont like sergeant doakes

(best character written)

[winged dragon]

FA+ should have priority at bins 😔

[tropic pilot]

meh, idc if the FAs are doing bins I rarely do them anyways 🤷

[hot wyvern]

as a divisional

I hate bin duty

only there for those runners fr fr

[atomic grove]

It is the most boring divisional duty

But i have seen efas somehow mess it up

[arctic perch]

Yes

Or just max it at 3 divisionless that can however divisionals get priority over the divless and kick em out

But either way makes most divisionals jobs better

Cause like MDF if there FAs doing bins they can do combat in wasteland

I don't really think it needs to be changed but just make sure the divless FAs don't clog up bins

[rare smelt]

if sc aren’t enforcing this complain to uo

or just like don’t care cuz it’s not that big a deal unless there’s 15 fucking fa doing bins

[hot wyvern]

there’s also random ass JOs

not outside but by the gate

that rk

or attempt to

cause they really want those kills for some reason 💀

[woeful dune]

shut up

we are anti efa rights

[rare smelt]

That’s why I said fa

Not efa

[woeful dune]

only efa get bin tools

[rare smelt]

I thought it was fa+

This should’ve never existed btw

Should’ve just allowed sc to startergive if they trusted

[winged dragon]

It's FA+

[winged dragon]

That's literally how it works

[dusky zinc]

We have a tool that gives perm bintools(across servers) and it can remove said tools too

[rare smelt]

I know how it works

It just shouldn’t exist

[dusky zinc]

It’s been useful imo

[rare smelt]

No

FAs aren’t divisionals

They shouldn’t get perm bin tools

They ain’t trustworthy either

[dusky zinc]

Yeah that’s why not every FA gets them, I’ve rarely given them out, I’ve only done FA’s that are in academy’s for divs, AFA+ or people who have high activity and don’t act stupid in game

[rare smelt]

It should be UC+

[dusky zinc]

Not to mention there’s always that occurrence where every few days there is like 0 divisonals

[rare smelt]

@woeful dune do u concur wise one

[rare smelt]

0 divisionals = no processing anyways

[dusky zinc]

UC’s have very low activity 🥀

[woeful dune]

I believe FAs should never have received these "permanent" bin tools

i was the one who convinced chairman to lower it from all FA+ spawning with it

[dusky zinc]

Fr? 🙏 Everyone in SC was dying from that shit

[rare smelt]

It would be nice if like it was afa+ or efa that was divisional previously

But the fact that any random fa can get it is dumb

[woeful dune]

@rare smelt if i was inc harge of the list

itd actually be perfect

[dusky zinc]

Imo most AFA’s are in divs and the rest well idk I haven’t seen a divless AFA

[rare smelt]

I do hope sc has a trusted person list

[woeful dune]

but i think only those who r discharged from a div with good record deserve it

[rare smelt]

Afa intern every div except aia

[woeful dune]

theres a ton of divless afa

[rare smelt]

Yeah a lot of afa r divless

[woeful dune]

interning is stupid

[dusky zinc]

I never see em in game, but I have low activity rn so idk

[rare smelt]

Like some absolute bum named @slim kite

[dusky zinc]

Ik im in AOA

[slender dune]

absolutely goated suggestion

[rare smelt]

Yeah idk why it exists

[dusky zinc]

This guy has perm bintools last I checked

[woeful dune]

you get every divisional document + if you somehow do fail you can just go back and redo the one you failed

good

he mogs you

[rare smelt]

Lowkey I forgot to demand perm bin tools from him when he was still sc

[dusky zinc]

Tbh

I don’t hand perm bintools to people who ask 🥀

I’ve only done it once

[rare smelt]

@woeful dune should we join sc again and give everyone them bin tools

So they get removed

[woeful dune]

no

i am retired

[rare smelt]

Just use an alt

Become wizard_sc

[dusky zinc]

💀

[woeful dune]

if i had a developed alt i could actually get into any division

[rare smelt]

I could develop my alt

But it wouldn’t get into any div

[woeful dune]

cause ur dumb

[rare smelt]

No cuz of its name

[woeful dune]

i am the master of aegisia

[rare smelt]

But yes partly that

@woeful dune look at this player report and tell me how on earth this was accepted #🚶player-reports message

[woeful dune]

wtf

hold on

im gonna go yell at the sc

and uo

[dusky zinc]

Lemme check smth

[woeful dune]

• Random shooting isn't a punishable offense as listed by the Core Guidelines nor the SC Punishment Guidelines
• No evidence a verbal warning was given in a reasonable amount of time between the previous clip he sent and the one that was used for the report

im so good at this shit

[rare smelt]

U forgot the fact he’s not sc officer or trialing officer

[woeful dune]

yeah can sthd even give verbals

especially for things not against rules

sc could tell him to stop and itd be valid

cause refusing sc orders

[rare smelt]

I think maybe like he can tell him to stop cuz it’s annoying but he don’t gotta listen

[woeful dune]

yeah

sru tryouts got opened btw

did u ever fix ur laptop

[rare smelt]

No

It’s bricked

[woeful dune]

crazy

[rare smelt]

Also aren’t u joining an mtf

[woeful dune]

no

there was a cycle recently but im already sd command

so i dont wanna discharge

[rare smelt]

Did u clutch up and not get demoted

[woeful dune]

yes

[rare smelt]

omg YouTube just recommended me a popularmmos video

[swift swan]

Or let’s just rid of this

[polar python]

W

[winged dragon]

👋

Divless AFA mainly join just to host lessons because we don't do anything special other than that

Since we don't need to moderate the game or do division duties

As well as not needing to do duty states

[neon zenith]

I disagree. For example, if you’re an SO waiting to host a BAT you don’t give up that post because lets say a VO came along. If they’re doing it correctly, it should be first come first serve. Also why not do it in tandem with that divless

[winged dragon]

Make it a divless post shrimple

[neon zenith]

Word

Or just leave it as is

It works perfectly fine

[slim sparrow]

only fa that should get perm should be ex divs

[neon zenith]

that would be so shit to enforce

imagien being the poor SC that needs to check if they've ever been in a div

[slim sparrow]

its not hard at all

[neon zenith]

waste of time when they could be dealing with something important

[slim sparrow]

it takes less than 2 mins

not even 1

[neon zenith]

yeah but think about it when you're having to deal with an entire border your not gonna worry about an FA who is doing a job correctly

seems like a waste of time imo

[slim sparrow]

its processing

you dont have to deal with an entire border every second

[neon zenith]

I'm aware

I'm just saying SC could be doing more important things then worrying about something that isn't hindernig anything

if it ain't broke don't fix it

[slim sparrow]

midly incorrect

[neon zenith]

I've been in SC speaking personally I wouldn't care if an FA is doing bins

over an MDF doing bins

as long as it is being done correctly I don't care

[slim sparrow]

i didnt say anything about bins

[neon zenith]

the whole thing is about bins

[slim sparrow]

the more "important" things are only exp stuff

[neon zenith]

the whole point of this thread is about bin duties

and priority of that

[winged dragon]

Lmao why

I've never been in a division and I can do bins just fine

[neon zenith]

^^^

[slim sparrow]

u were for aoa

[neon zenith]

null point I've seen random O do bins perfectly fine

[slim sparrow]

for like 2 weeks each

[winged dragon]

Literally

I did bins perfectly fine before joining aoa

[neon zenith]

it's literally just "Click a bin or leave, 5s."

[slim sparrow]

must be living in a separate world cause i always see them doing stupid shit with traders or infected dudes

[neon zenith]

if they don't click a bin you shoot them

[winged dragon]

Exactly

[neon zenith]

if they do tag them and move on

[winged dragon]

It is not rocket science

[neon zenith]

traders is not their problem

and anyone with an IQ willing to trade will know what to do

[slim sparrow]

it kinda is when u get killed for being a trader

[winged dragon]

Ok let's take pistols away from initiates

They TK

That's basically your logic

[neon zenith]

to play devils advocate you're never really taught what to do with a trader

[neon zenith]

amazing point icl

like holy glaze but that's exactly it

[slim sparrow]

mildly incorrect as initiates cant go outside

[winged dragon]

That wasn't the point-

You're saying that because FA can go outside they kill the trader

[slim sparrow]

also your argument is defined on all initiates getting their pistols removed

[slim sparrow]

not all the times

usually

[winged dragon]

Your argument is defined on all FA killing traders 😭

[winged dragon]

Not all Initiates TK

Just because 3-4 people do it doesn't mean you should take it away from everyone

[neon zenith]

exactly

[winged dragon]

SC have a sheet or something to track who has binman perms

If someone abuses perms then simply take it away

[slim sparrow]

never said that all of them do

[neon zenith]

idk if this has changed since I was in but I kept track using !notepad

[slim sparrow]

nobody reports those guys btw

[winged dragon]

Then that's their problem

[neon zenith]

because it's so rare someone abuses bin tols

[winged dragon]

Literally

[neon zenith]

and sometimes they accidentally tag someone

key word accidentally

[slim sparrow]

first day fa+ bins got added like 5 people got tagged

as aegis

[winged dragon]

And with the new feature you can take the tag off

[slim sparrow]

intentionally

[neon zenith]

exactly

[winged dragon]

That's because it was just instantly added, no rules or barriers were put in place to combat abuse

[neon zenith]

ok so back the point because a few initiates did a bad thing we should remove their guns

[winged dragon]

You can't just give everyone an item and not expect them to experiment

[neon zenith]

because a few FA did something bad we should remove their tools

I'm just saying it's not the best way to look about bin tools

I think it should be left as is because it works

if it ain't broke don't fix it

[slim sparrow]

yea

[winged dragon]

🥀

Atp remove all divisionless guns and gamepasses because there are more rk and TK reports from divisionless than divisionals

🙄

[slim sparrow]

the guy was talking about removing those specific initiates guns

not every initiates

[winged dragon]

🤦

[neon zenith]

I'm sorry but you've missed our point

[slim sparrow]

or you made a grammar mistake

[neon zenith]

regardless I think you've missed our point

just opinions so who cares lol

[empty hemlock]

let the divless do bins

I’d rather them do it then get stuck on them myself

[arctic perch]

Yes

It frees up combatives

To you know

Actually do their jobs

[rare smelt]

my thoughts exactly

[frail jewel]

Just max ppl at bins to 3

[tropic pilot]

I remember when there were 9 people doing bins at the same time

[arctic perch]

Dear fucking god

That's called

Post.

[fair spear]

Divisionals wanting to take our rights away 😔

[arctic perch]

Most of us

Don't have a problem so long as your know what you're doing

Because it means we don't have to do bins

[rare smelt]

FA don’t deserve rights

[arctic perch]

Nah give the FAs freedom

Which is exactly what y'all have a little bit of now

Cause of concrete pad

No perms for FA tower

Fuck it let EFA+ go to coolant when no divs fr

(terrible idea)

[winged dragon]

🤑

[hot wyvern]

yes

what’s this do 5 seconds later meltdown imminent