Cliffs

[winged compass]

I think that cliffs is being abused and is an unfair advantage for raiders as you can't really get a good visual on the raiders but the raiders can see us easy as day.

[iron jetty]

And what would you change?

[winged compass]

Either add a path that would lead to cliffs fairly for both sides or make cliffs with height fair in a way that both sides will have the same opportunities.

So for both sides is fair because/

All they do is camp and not let you leave the elevator.

[shrewd jacinth]

this could be fixed without one shots

[upper raft]

I’m not the one to say this normally. But that’s just a skill issue

And your mdf so I don’t know why you would be complaining

[hearty ferry]

maybe add a staircase that allows aegis to go next to the chairman tower, the entrance of this staircase would be in the corridor that has the elevator that leads to post-processing.

Or just jump down the cliffs and attack them from behind, it works very well, especially if ur p2w

[celest bronze]

• divisional can flank from gc or sewers
• able to be sniped at caves from jkl/tof/tls
• maybe snipeable from rdm? idk
  coordinated pushes from side elevator with main elevator as distraction
• support request
• ask divisional with grapple to hook onto chairman tower from side elevator (gives them a downward angle to sniper cliff campers)
• the rest is really up to who your up against, what theg are using, and how many there are

[sullen pecan]

with that logic you may as well rework caves so it isn't in favour of aegis 💀

cliffs are fine the way they are

if raiders camp it's just because aegis can't defend properly

[zinc sleet]

skill issue

mdf too

[winged compass]

It's unfair though.

You can't hit them from low ground.

[upper raft]

MDF teaches you how to deal with that in the academy. ^^^ what atkorv said too

[winged compass]

They should do that too.

[winged compass]

Gang it's unfair.

It pay to wins.

Not letting you exit the elevator.

[upper raft]

The game is P2W, is there a fix yes.

If you are trying to push roof use the other elevator, or try to get better movement so raiders can't hit you.

[winged compass]

And as soon as you go in the entrance.

[upper raft]

Being unpredictable is the best way to push roof.

[winged compass]

Your dead.

[upper raft]

The reaction time of normal raiders cannot see that, you just need to get better movement

[hearty ferry]

the best thing to do is to stay f2p so you have an excuse to losing combat

[winged compass]

Bro.

No.

They can see you.

It's not hard.

[sullen pecan]

you can kill raiders guaranteed from rdm, tls, tof, or by flanking them via gc

all of those you can access without going to the roof

you can also ask for a vtol escort onto the roof from a pilot

[scenic mango]

2 words: cry about it

[zinc sleet]

gang i did that as a f2p sthd

[winged compass]

Yeah everything that is unfair should be changed.

[zinc sleet]

btw u do know

that u can flank through gc

right

[vital finch]

hardly snipeable from rdm but its possible

ive done it before

[elfin crag]

• Div's rarely do that
• tls doesnt protect from aegis side once claimed
• Div's rarely flank
• Do you actually think a bunch of f2p aegis could coordinate anything?
• Ehhh
• There is too much of a time difference between getting to the platform and pulling out your gun that you'll get sniped either way instantly
• Most raiders that are camping always have 1 shot weapons and can quickly jump shoot because server lag lets them barely be seen

[elfin crag]

And how do you comp everyone who has bought 1 shot weapons-?

[vital finch]

yeah bro just make 1s do 99 damage

[vital finch]

my payment

[elfin crag]

Once I get comped for removing all 1 shot weapons 🤑

[vital finch]

they wont be removed

now pay

[elfin crag]

Lol

[zinc sleet]

i flanked alot when i was sthd

most people dont expect it

at all

[elfin crag]

You're one of the very very few

[quick mica]

and the fa lift is free cover

[sullen pecan]

that's just because (no offence) most of the divisionals are quite ass at combat

if they were to actually take advantage of what they have and their wasteland perms cliff camping wouldn't be a problem

[elfin crag]

100% offense

Bring them down

[shrewd jacinth]

make their one shots automatics 🙏

[elfin crag]

They're supposed to be combat divisions

[elfin crag]

I want an automatic musket 🥺

[elfin crag]

Fr thooo

Gimmie wastie perms and the raiders would be dead

[zinc sleet]

true

i had to tell some divisional guy to like

flank caves

cause the entrance was still blown up and that guy was camping in cover

[shrewd jacinth]

🥰

[last crescent]

can we get a tower thats just obscenely tall with a direct connection from aegis spawn to it so we can just go there and snipe off cliffs

[ancient bolt]

Genius

And while we’re changing things make the raider sewers tp go to roof instead

[narrow anchor]

rage bait

[cursive bobcat]

Is this ragebait

rage 😡 suggestion

and it's a tad bit poorly worded out as well 🥀

@winged compass Let me do my counter-rage suggestion now too, make Cliffs have absolutely zero cover from wasteland as it's so unfair for raiders to be sniped while near TLS as we can't really get a good visual on the aegis but aegis can see us easy as day

[cursive bobcat]

So many places to flank, but oh well...

[cosmic flower]

who the fuck even is this

also what the fuck do you mean you can’t see raiders

what you think we can shoot through walls or something

we can’t see you through the elevator either

when we jump and shoot you got all the time in the world to shoot right back at us

[cosmic flower]

oh and this too but clearly you aren’t smart enough to even fathom using any sort of flank that isn’t a path with neon signs saying “flank route”

[rain hornet]

hold caves if you don't like cliff camping
caves is more aegis sided then cliffs is raider sided imo

you'd have to rework the entire raid route to fix this and that's not happening

[winged compass]

My whole thing is to make caves and cliffs fair for both sides

[keen seal]

honestly

theres so many terrain differentials

if you camp toi you can deal with any patrol going robotics and such

cliffs shouldn't be an exception

[upper raft]

no

[hushed sand]

vlad man ik we friends n all

but u didnt cook with this sugg

[winged compass]

I mean this is what I think.

But I may not have the best ideas.

But this is better just not trying to suggest something.

[narrow anchor]

ur legit MDF lol

[zinc sleet]

yea

[winged compass]

And.

Doesn't change Raiders having an unfair advantage at that place.

[sullen pecan]

before raiders even get to the cliffs they still gotta get through gc and caves

all it takes is 1 decent person to be posted over there and hold off the raiders while calling for backup

[winged compass]

Like I have said for the 100th time make the wasteland more fair.

[zinc sleet]

vlad ur mdf

ur supposed to be good

u can just go around to gc and flank

its not that deep yo

[quick mica]

one raider kills like 50 people in one life cuz of rheir one shot guns

and rhey got like 800 hp

[zinc sleet]

so we just lying now

[sullen pecan]

90% of their kills come from less skilled aegis

and the max hp you can have in this game is 170

[quick mica]

i mean it more aa hit points

so like 170 health plus like 600 armour

[zinc sleet]

does he know

[quick mica]

but still the max you can get a f2p aegis is 240 health and armour combined

the best gun sniper is very good tho

[zinc sleet]

??

u cant get past 100 hp as a f2p

🥀

[quick mica]

hp hitpoints

also read it properly

health and armour combined

[sullen pecan]

armour and health is very different

which is why you don’t combine it

[quick mica]

ok sure

ye i guess so the armour in this game works diff to other games

more better

[zinc sleet]

🤔

[sullen pecan]

guns have armour penetration so the armour only stops a little bit of damage

[zinc sleet]

armor is pretty useless since armor pen exists

[sullen pecan]

it does make a big difference still but

[quick mica]

anyway but the armour pen for aegis max is like 30%

a lot but doesnt feel like it

because they one shot you

[zinc sleet]

actually its like

70

[sullen pecan]

just aim better

[quick mica]

before you can get a lot of shots

[quick mica]

i dont wanna hear it sc

[zinc sleet]

LOL

[quick mica]

you guys usually run up thinking youre the main character

[zinc sleet]

acting like any divisional wont kick his ass in a 1v1

🥀

[sullen pecan]

acting like i’ve not been in 2 combat divisions 💀

[zinc sleet]

ive seen him ingame and hes buns

[quick mica]

amazing good for you

[sullen pecan]

okay so he’s just crying cus he’s bad now

LOL

[quick mica]

you play on 15 fps and on an 8 year old xbox

and then we can talk

[zinc sleet]

...?

[quick mica]

im thinking of a pc

[zinc sleet]

theres a really simple solution

[quick mica]

but this xbox isnt dying soo

[zinc sleet]

its called buying a laptop

or pc

[sullen pecan]

@zinc sleet this guy might be under the age of 13

[zinc sleet]

he is infact

[quick mica]

i wanna keep using this xbox for a long time

[quick mica]

if you say so

[warm lichen]

dont let raiders get to cliffs and it wont be a problem

it is annoying, but at the fault of aegis for not defending properly and letting them to an advantage

[mossy crane]

if raiders are using cliffs divisionals can one either use a VTOL to flank or two use AED to go around from behind it’s a longer solution but works

and for divisonless use the FA+ elevator or sub roof to flank

[hearty ferry]

its easy to flank roof even if divisionless

you just need to get next to the cliff entrance, and then jump down from the roof to the lower cliff

most of the time raiders are too focused on the elevators that they dont realise you are behind them

[quick mica]

if they couldn’t one shot like most people it would still be fair because they got like 6 weapons

[elfin crag]

True

It's definitely just the 1 shot weapons that stop us from claiming roof

Even me with 900+ armour and 170 hp die in 2 shots coming out of the elevator from anyone camping roof

[jovial phoenix]

just become pksf and abuse shield

thats what i do

i use it to push to vtol and climb up it

or just go to aed and flank via gc/sewer

or go via rdm and snipe

or just dont suck at the game

[light pivot]

caves will NEVER be changed

or cliffs