Toxicity enforcement in Discord

[round jacinth]

we're in a toxicity enforcement suggestion

and ur being toxic

to cosmo

whatd he do to you bro

[wild quartz]

I'm not

[wintry gulch]

reason why i downvoted is that the idea of general toxicity is fine as long as its not much and in a joke way

its only a bad thing when its repeated but

[wild quartz]

Toxicity is againt the damn rules

So how is it fine

[round jacinth]

i hate cosmomystic

[round jacinth]

dude

striking people

for calling others

a dumbass

[wintry gulch]

trying to ban the word dumbass is crazy

[round jacinth]

dont you think thats outrageous

[wintry gulch]

like i fully understand if someone is harassing you and what not

[wintry gulch]

just ignore the rest of what i said

[wild quartz]

The ISSUE isnt in the word dumbass

[wintry gulch]

if its blatant harassment then yeah strike them for that

[wild quartz]

It's in how you can only express yourself by insulting others

[wintry gulch]

if someones getting a little bit annoyed i dont think its that bad

[wild quartz]

Your only way of communication

[wintry gulch]

as long as its not repeated 100x like nuggets did

[static elm]

@surreal trellis @granite pendant and anyone else involved, apart from the pinned message, are there any points of relevance you want taken into consideration

[wild quartz]

Is disrespecting others

[wintry gulch]

cause he was out of line

[static elm]

and no we're not giving AA staff mod perms in the main discord

[wild quartz]

Super sent a long list of examples, did you check them?

[round jacinth]

please do not strike for saying dumbass

[upper hound]

someone suggested that?

[wintry gulch]

person who made the post

[round jacinth]

half of them contained people just jokingly telling others

[static elm]

it was one of the first things I read in here, and i only read 5 lines

[round jacinth]

actually

i feel like every example

[tardy willow]

1k messages in this post

[round jacinth]

holy shit

stupid aegis discord rules

[wild quartz]

Its truly disturbing how easy you all take insults for

[round jacinth]

its not like its a blatant death threat

[wild quartz]

Like atleast value yourself

[wintry gulch]

im calling someone a dumbass jokingly 😭

[round jacinth]

still i dont think striking someone for calling a dumbass or a fat fuck

[wintry gulch]

learn to have some fun thats the most disturbing thing

i dont think anytime ive insulted someone here ive ever actually been serious

thats my point abt the toxicity

[random nimbus]

The main point of interest is condensed into the fact that:

• there is recurrent and un-punished toxicity that is borderline harrassment
• people HAVE approached ahrd in the past about it, they have been redirected to the officer core as they are supposed to undergo the chain of command, and no clear outcome has occurred
• officers occasionally join in on "the fun"
• often turns into harassment cases and unnecessary harsh punishments are taken that may not have been required if it was dealt with earlier

[wintry gulch]

if it seems genuine and non-jokingly, and its repeated

[wild quartz]

I apologize but where I come from, fun isnt insulting others

[wintry gulch]

this post is fine

[wintry gulch]

then ur missing out

[round jacinth]

you have to have the worst childhood

[wintry gulch]

wait ur gmt+1

are you british

[round jacinth]

if you havent insulted someone

[wild quartz]

Absolutely fine by me

[wintry gulch]

then strike for it

[round jacinth]

like honestly

[wintry gulch]

and deal with it

like nuggets did for example

[round jacinth]

if i call cosmo whos obviously my friend a dumbass

shouldnt be strikable

[wild quartz]

Again

[wintry gulch]

but i think some people are a lil too sensitive and cant tell if people are joking

[round jacinth]

like listen to urselves im sure many of you have called others or insulted others jokingly

[wild quartz]

The issue isnt in the word dumbass

[elfin quail]

personally IDC abt toxicity but I can see why it should be enforced against

[round jacinth]

you understand how absurd it is

[wintry gulch]

yeah exactly

[wild quartz]

The issue is in the context you talk in

[round jacinth]

to get striked for insulting others especially ur friends jokingly]

[wild quartz]

And the meaning you have

[static elm]

could you direct me to the list of examples these points are based off of

[elfin quail]

There is aegis somethinf

[round jacinth]

this post was made because of mrnuggets #1246262570340454462 its all in there

[wintry gulch]

get ready to be sent 1500 examples of nuggets in a feed back post

[elfin quail]

there's a server for rhis

or whatever

[random nimbus]

AHRD case details may be retrieved with the permissions of the DoE, but other examples have been linked by super above
would you like for me to send examples in dms?

[wild quartz]

^

[elfin quail]

if you don't like what's being said send in an appeal

[minor sand]

why are there downvotes on this

[elfin quail]

But like

[wintry gulch]

hating

[minor sand]

riiiiight

[round jacinth]

hating

i hate cosmo myustic\

[wild quartz]

@static elm this too

[random nimbus]

the people who downvoted is the funniest bit of this post

[static elm]

if all it is is
"hey x person harassed me"
"dm an officer not us"
then no I'll pass, ill refer to the list of examples ive been pinged abt tho

[minor sand]

what y’all doing abt nugg btw

[wintry gulch]

idk its bieng talked abt

[elfin quail]

hey cut can I have aegis personnel role

No one is gonna give it

[round jacinth]

you can see how absurd it is

[elfin quail]

I have to intervene

Apologies

[round jacinth]

bro what are we meant to do

[wintry gulch]

didnt you also get toxic though

it wasnt one-sided

[round jacinth]

give him a verbal warning for like calling others dumb

give him a verbal warning for trying to express his views in a not so nice way

[elfin quail]

raid event was crazy

[minor sand]

give him a warning for toxicity ??

[random nimbus]

it is essentially that, but we dont know where exactly it got til

till*

[random nimbus]

direct me to stated messages please

[minor sand]

did you like

[round jacinth]

its not even over the top toxicity

[minor sand]

not look at the ss

ok I’ll just dm kart

[random nimbus]

I do not recall being toxic to the same magnitudes as I was advised by my seniors to back off

🤷‍♀️

[round jacinth]

you can

but im just stating my point of view

[wintry gulch]

sorry im not going to gather proof of every single little thing for a feedback post
https://prnt.sc/UT-bEnBYoH4l

but heres something

different post

hours afterwards

still quoting him and quite obviously triggered

[random nimbus]

I shall provide context to this rq

go dms I have 16 screenshots

[minor sand]

regardless of the person people who argue in feedback threads aren’t doing anything but clowning themselves

[wintry gulch]

dw i agree with you that nuggets was 100% out of line

[minor sand]

it just reflects the inability to put forth an intellectual argument

[elfin quail]

feedback should be given reasonably

[minor sand]

^

[wintry gulch]

but i think some people just take this shit too serious

which is why i downvoted

[random nimbus]

also you must try to understand that it was 5 am and I had dealt with seven infections on the border, with the guy saying I had an issue with skill
my mental status was not of the best levels

[dapper island]

make one joking insult and immediately receive 14 strikes for toxicity

[minor sand]

I think there’s a line in terms of what can be deemed as a joke

and what isn’t

[round jacinth]

i downvoted because i do not want people striking me for insulting others jokingly

im already on my last strike i think

[minor sand]

this is NOT what would happen

[wintry gulch]

why were you online at 5am dealing with infections 😭

[dapper island]

literally

[round jacinth]

dude considering the sources thats been pointed out by super

[static elm]

Ok so argument:
-people are being toxic

• officers aren't being strict enough about it

====
counter argument:

• the "toxicity" is mostly just a joke
• most of the quoted examples are hardly "toxic"

is that an accurate summary of the whole thread

[round jacinth]

it might have hapopened

[minor sand]

if it’s a joke it obv wouldn’t, it would be for extensive arguments that went on despite mod warning

[dapper island]

of course it would help when people go too far in their arguments, but it’s gonna end in random people getting strikes for making one comment

[wintry gulch]

i think thats good

[round jacinth]

look at supers stated sources

[wintry gulch]

but nuggets was toxic

[round jacinth]

most of it are jokes

[wintry gulch]

if they are the quoted examples

not hardly in nuggets case

[round jacinth]

striked for those

[minor sand]

I like the core suggestions but that doesn’t mean there are parts that need to be edited

[random nimbus]

if I wasnt going to, who would?
the game would be unplayable, ARD HR would be blamed for divisional inactivity, and so many other issues!
our mental health is on a steady degradation (stemming from https://discord.com/channels/412291659347263498/1246262570340454462) and we've had a hell of a week this week!

[dapper island]

extensive arguments should already be handled with the given system without the need to start striking people for the smallest bit of toxicity

[wintry gulch]

let people struggle.....

[round jacinth]

its dod its ok

dod being unplayable is a good thing

for all of us

we can actually gain back our moral sanity

[random nimbus]

right... till a repeat of the january and february div checkups happens...

[dapper island]

what else am I supposed to say if I’m not making fun of cow for being fat on a daily basis

[random nimbus]

keep it to dms!

[minor sand]

idc abt his sources, as I said I’m only drawing on written suggestion itself. Just because super included those examples it doesn’t meet that’s what the rule would manifest as if instituted

[random nimbus]

its not that hard

[round jacinth]

im going to report u to harassmne tnow

[elfin quail]

u can joke around and shit but not every1 sees shit as jokes as corny as that sounds

[dapper island]

aegis conversations decrease by 300%

[random nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yapping-level-today-catastrophic-yapanese-gif-13513208407930173397

[minor sand]

I’d like to think our officers aren’t stupid and identify the difference between real toxicity and a joke

[round jacinth]

ermm

[elfin quail]

yeah

fair

[wintry gulch]

the yolker abuse in aegis chat will be gone tho

[dapper island]

I mean even here I can see some people complaining about “toxicity” even in the form of obvious jokes

“keep it to dms”

[round jacinth]

no more calling him an egg

[wintry gulch]

guys i say we just let this discord become like oretary

lets post 1500 slurs daily each

[round jacinth]

oretary is a failiong game

hell no

well dod is as well

[random nimbus]

they often miss key details and let things go
some people may be sensitive and pointless insults simply ruin their day
ofc its not like people should just stop publically reprimanding others
but the limit should be enforced better

[dapper island]

you don’t need a new rule or penalty to stop arguments that should already be punished with the given system

[random nimbus]

^

its just that its not shown enough

[minor sand]

what makes it a joke is it being recognized as a joke between two parties. If someone just says “hahahaha your aim is ass haha” they won’t get striked right away, but if the person tells them to stop or they continue after moderator warning then yeah

[wintry gulch]

yes

[wild quartz]

Officers dont even bother to moderate toxicity, atleast lately.

[elfin quail]

Most toxicity I've seen is in pms

[random nimbus]

then again, you should also have the skill to be able to approach the officer core via dms and explain

[round jacinth]

honestly as long as i dont get striked for calling cosmo a dumbass

then im fine

or calling cosmo stupid

fat fuck

[wintry gulch]

because i dont think many people take it that serious

[round jacinth]

etc

[random nimbus]

its not like they have to cater to you

[wintry gulch]

if someone is sensitive they can inform the officer and get the person to stop

[round jacinth]

because most of the time its just jokes until someone actually tells them theyre being harassed

[minor sand]

all of you make me mad beyond the expression formable rhetoric

stay blessed

[dapper island]

can’t really blame the other person for making one joke, but if they continue to do so even after the other has expressed obvious negativity they should be punished

[round jacinth]

in which case then officers will handle it

[wintry gulch]

shut up cutdata

[round jacinth]

fatdata

[wintry gulch]

you try to seem smart by putting formable rhetoric at the end

fatass

[round jacinth]

cosmomystic

ur striked now

toxicity

[wintry gulch]

only reason cutdata wants this thread is so he doesnt get constantly harassed as a fatass in aegis chat

[static elm]

This is generally where people need to be drawing attention to the issues where they're facing. If they continue the conversation instead of notifying a moderator, or retaliate in the same manner there's no point in complaining about inefficient moderation when they're both told to stop the conversation instead of strikes being handed out

[random nimbus]

^^^^^

Factual

[minor sand]

i bet you go to the fat store fatty

@wintry gulch

[wintry gulch]

yeah sorry i had to get skin reduction surgery last week

went on a crazy cut

[round jacinth]

and from what ive seen thats when they actually take action

[wintry gulch]

500lbs to 189lb

[round jacinth]

bro

ur 189 tons

shut ur mouth

[elfin quail]

Banned

[minor sand]

ok then tell an officer if they don’t do anything tell an overwatch

[elfin quail]

Sorry I don't make the rules

🙏

[minor sand]

boom case solved

[random nimbus]

yes!
but often people get ignored even after doing so!
that is the point of this forum
people then approach ahrd, who are known to take harsher actions

[minor sand]

cutdata works his magic yet again

[round jacinth]

and then the overwatch tells them to go tell an officer..

[elfin quail]

well just say u already did

[round jacinth]

ur just gonna yoyo back and forth if you take it up the chain of command really

[static elm]

if someone approaches a UC saying an officer hasn't handled something properly they wouldn't be sent to an officer

[upper hound]

@minor sand FUCK YOU

[random nimbus]

so they go to ahrd, who conduct an investigation and reveal a toxic history of the abuser, leading to harsh punishment

[elfin quail]

Hey hicom

[round jacinth]

which is very unnecessary

[elfin quail]

So happy to see you guys cough

cough

[random nimbus]

my point ^

[elfin quail]

Bro @elfin quail why do u have wastelander role ur aegis

[wintry gulch]

i think the hard part of this is that so many people have different views on what toxicity is

[wild quartz]

The main issue is.

You approach an officer, the officer tells the other party to stop, the other party starts mocking you for being sensitive to their insults, the bigger problem is that officers tend to agree with them on that.

So in reality your asking the officer to moderate what he himself isnt following.

[round jacinth]

the reason i downvoted is because i dont wanna be striked for insulting my friends jokingly and i cant trust officer+ to know what the limit is

[elfin quail]

Then there is an issue with the officer

[static elm]

inform OW, they'll handle it - if this is truly a recurring issue we can also just make a notification to officers to handle toxicity better, and a notification to overwatch to be on the lookout for similar issues, and we monitor from there

[elfin quail]

not doing their job

[round jacinth]

so really this suggestion is "improve officer core"

[wild quartz]

No

[round jacinth]

which id support

because our current officer core

is lacking

[static elm]

if you're able to provide a fully fleshed out report with credible evidence proving that the officer core is truly lacking we can do something about it

[random nimbus]

i shit you not Ive seen ow and toml join in with the other party
people have left aegis and dod as a whole as a result of it

[static elm]

most of the time all that is brought to hicom is "offifcer suck" / "officers dont do x" / "fix officer core"

we can't work with that - besides preliminary action

[upper hound]

@static elm stop bullying me with "edater" wtf

[static elm]

shut up edater

[round jacinth]

there are many instances where officer core strikes others just cause the guy copied what the officer did

[dapper island]

edating is crazy

lowest of the low

[wintry gulch]

fl im edating your mama

[wild quartz]

Super did have a very good argument on the current issues within the office core, I personally dont feel like if the officer core undertakes any major duties that they can lack in.

Most of them do duty states and trainings which are often done in a very fine manner

[round jacinth]

but im not gonna find evidences because i am too lazy for that and id leave it to people who actually care about this game

[upper hound]

I dont edate pal

I'd edate your mum though

[static elm]

@strange glade look at this guy

[upper hound]

she can make me some good curry

[upper hound]

WHAT

[random nimbus]

this thread and the raid event thread is literally twitter in a nutshell

[round jacinth]

i mean ur fighting fire with fire

you post a suggestion that negatively affects raiders = war

then you post a suggestion about toxicity because of what people said in the suggestion

= more fire

[wintry gulch]

minus all the onlyfans advertisements

and the football gifs

you know what

[wintry gulch]

buff pksf

[round jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/elevensports-forthefans-elevenproleague-kompany-nose-gif-18991996

[wintry gulch]

my new suggestion

[dapper island]

if someone goes and clicks on a sketchy link we can change that

[random nimbus]

true, but some stuff was simply not required
there were people replying with two word answers to paragraphs lmao

[wintry gulch]

250 shield hp isnt enough

[upper hound]

cancel aphrxnium

[round jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/antony-suspicious-antony-mad-antony-gif-7719236589339881488

[dapper island]

clearly buffs sthd gonna have to say no

[round jacinth]

cosmos favourite player^

[random nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/shii-jetstreamsam-gif-26415642

[wintry gulch]

💀 no

[dapper island]

how is it even fun to watch soccer

boring sport

[round jacinth]

bro

how is it fun to watch NFL

[dapper island]

at least people nearly die playing football

[round jacinth]

bro

do you not see

[dapper island]

that’s the entertainment

[round jacinth]

@wintry gulch

[dapper island]

both suck tho tbh

[round jacinth]

you americans only think ur sport is better

NFL and NBA 👎

[wintry gulch]

bro did not see the 2022 wc final

anyways back to on topic guys

[round jacinth]

bro did not watch 2016 euros

[wintry gulch]

cause most people cant create a valid response

[dapper island]

if it has the word euro in it I am NOT watching it

[static elm]

Ok

[wintry gulch]

or are too lazy to read

[round jacinth]

hey at least our world champion is actually champions of the world..

[wintry gulch]

guys

shut up

[round jacinth]

sorry cosmo

[wintry gulch]

fl this is why ur staying as a spc

[dapper island]

sorry cosmo 😔

[wintry gulch]

cant follow the rules of feedback posts

so you wont be an officer if you cant do that..

[round jacinth]

theres rules

to feedback posts?

i did not know that

[wintry gulch]

well the main discord rules apply here

[round jacinth]

oh

i thought there were like

[wintry gulch]

the suggestion bans apply here, and i suppose staying on topic to the convo here

[round jacinth]

specific rules

can we just have an officer on standby when suggestions that include very hostile nerfs or buffs

are posted

to stop all toxic intentions

[wintry gulch]

people are bound to get toxic though

or atleast passive aggressive

[round jacinth]

cosmo

stop sending slurs in my dms

[dapper island]

not a bad idea tbh

[wintry gulch]

cause they'll think the other person is stupid due to their opinion on it

[round jacinth]

thats not very nice of you

[dapper island]

add “buffs pksf” to a list of banned words

[round jacinth]

thats a good way to stop toxicity really

[dapper island]

it’s said on every section

suggestion

[upper hound]

nerf pksf to banned suggestions

[static elm]

• A reminder is being issued to the officer core to handle issues involving toxicity.

• A notification is being issued to the overwatch core to monitor officers, and be receptive to complaints from community members and act accordingly.

• All members are advised to contact an officer if faced with toxicity or other forms of harassment, as opposed to escalating the situation.

And finally, a little word of advice from my end, not every little jibe deserves a strike, nor is it "toxicity". But if it does go too far, feel free to contact moderation.

This thread is now being locked.
@surreal trellis if you have further comments to make you can DM me to reopen