#Online Dating Within AEGIS

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alpine leaf
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So that it gets dealt with properly

limber crane
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What would you consider out of hand

gilded basin
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so whats already in place i assume

alpine leaf
limber crane
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In sensitive cases I'm pretty sure people affected would much rather approach someone they trust, privately, as opposed to every single officer+ being able to see their case

gilded basin
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what do we have now

alpine leaf
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And nothing much was done except for the removal of the offender

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And the removal of power to the one who didnt handle the report

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Whereas if they could report it to somewhere all officers+ can see then it gets dealt with

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Anyways u can still make it so u can also do it privately

limber crane
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There was also nothing anyone below HiCOM could've done about it

alpine leaf
limber crane
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Instances like those absolutely shouldn't be handled by regcom+ as a whole, given their sensitivity. Also edating was hardly the biggest issue there lol

alpine leaf
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Make it overwatch+ then

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As long as multiple people deal eith it

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Then its more trustworthy

limber crane
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I'm down to hear concerns and do whatever i can to address them but in some cases there really isn't much we can do. That incident for instance, a UC would'nt have been able to do much, besides possibly investigate, then rely on IC/HiCOM to enforce anything

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At which point those entities would've had to conduct their own investigation regardless

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Not to mention the risk of private matters spilling out where it shouldn't when more and more people are involved

alpine leaf
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Well why let 1 member deal with such a serious situation

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Why not make it multiple

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It would be more trustworthy right?

limber crane
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IC is a tribunal

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HiCOM is what, 9 people?

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It was never one single person that was responsible

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Well you could argue IC basically crumbles whenever coded isn't here but that's a separate issue

alpine leaf
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It was always 1 person though that gets informed

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They are relied on

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To start the consern

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If they arent there then they could prevent further insight

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And cause distrust

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Anyways i agree with your point on limiting friendships with banning of e dating

ashen hedge
alpine leaf
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It should just be monitored more closely

alpine leaf
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Then its dealt with more effectively

ashen hedge
limber crane
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The marshal incident was a fault. IC have publicly stated as much. But that doesn't mean sensitive issues should be opened to a range as wide as regcom+, for quite a lot of reasons, one is quite simply there's not a whole lot they can do

alpine leaf
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They can investigate

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Toml can then act apon it

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Once its done

limber crane
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Toml and IC would have to conduct their own investigation regardless

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These are sensitive issues with heavy punishments

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All you're achieving is unnecessarily involving more individuals than what's required, and damaging the privacy of people affected

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More often than not it's usually a request from the parties affected that incidents be kept as secretive as possible

alpine leaf
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Ig

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But when its not dealt with properly

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Its unfair

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To the person repoting

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I would rather have a situation dealt with and be public

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Then for it to be too late

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And barely dealt with at all

limber crane
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You're not really thinking about the gravity of the situation. In a situation like this one would absolutely not want such an investigation to be public

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I see what you're trying to get at but it's absolutely not the way to go

alpine leaf
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Maybe my expectations for ranks that deal with it were too low

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But if toml deal with it anyways

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Make a way where they can deal with it easier

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Like where toml can see conserns

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Anyways its 6am

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And i havent slept

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Dont judge

limber crane
limber crane
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The issue is if we made it something like a ticket it'd just be misused by initiates wanting points

alpine leaf
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Reason for report: i didnt get any points from my lesson

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Ig

limber crane
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Thing is, most the time if something needs to be dealt with by HiCOM the person that was initially contacted would just involve everyone else

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We're talking about a one off failure where that didn't happen, but most of the time that isn't the case

alpine leaf
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Cuz they didnt know

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It would be harder to deal with and keep private

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Because the officer wouldn’t know what to really do

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Except alert more

limber crane
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Well the regcom member is expected to escalate to HiCOM when they don't know what to do

alpine leaf
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What if they didnt and just told other officers

limber crane
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That would be less than ideal

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It'd bounce around and get to HiCOM eventually but it's not rlly what I'd prefer happening

alpine leaf
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Yeah

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Well sometimes

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Things dont go under control

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When u want

limber crane
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True but what are you trying to say here lol

alpine leaf
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Anyways it was a fun discussion lightning but i gotta sleep

arctic skiff
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I mean half the drama in this community is just… weird for a roblox game in all honesty

limber crane
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Even if we had, let's say, HiCOM tickets. If someone DM'd an officer it's likely the same issue

arctic skiff
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Unexpected might be a better term

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

limber crane
alpine leaf
arctic skiff
limber crane
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You see it across such communities and it's disappointing and unwarranted but it does happen

arctic skiff
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Mhm

alpine leaf
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I love dating in block game

arctic skiff
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Say the same thing 10 more times please

alpine leaf
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Why

arctic skiff
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Cause you already seem to like doing it

alpine leaf
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No

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Sceptism does tho

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@gilded basin he is always looking for someone

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Since he cant get any real love

arctic skiff
alpine leaf
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Lol

arctic skiff
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Not what I meant but ok

alpine leaf
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Poor scep

alpine leaf
arctic skiff
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You’ve said the same line over and over, something along the lines of being sarcastic about dating in a roblox game

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We get it

alpine leaf
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Ok

alpine leaf
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Its just a joke

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Whatever

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Anyways other people have said sarcastic jokes about it

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So if ur gonna moan at me

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Do it to them

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Or just dont ignore it

arctic skiff
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Haven’t said the same joke ten times 🐟

alpine leaf
gilded basin
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🤑

alpine leaf
plain glade
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@gilded basin Love me

full marsh
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this thread is too serious for me

muted venture
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@hot wadi panda can we edate

rare sun
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@royal lotus When we will get married?

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We are polish so we can work something out

mild forge
muted venture
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letsgo

royal lotus
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I don't even know you are

rare sun
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Grammar

rare sun
royal lotus
empty rivet
gilded basin
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best idea

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online dating

sleek lark
alpine leaf
sleek lark
alpine leaf
gilded basin
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@frozen star 🤨

alpine leaf
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Ur the biggest e dater on roblox

native spear
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I agree with. This suggestion is trying to fix corruption inside aegis but it’s nearly impossible to fix it

gilded basin
ashen hedge
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Saying we need to "fix the corruption inside aegis" is also not very truthful to the underlying issue. Remarkably very few instances on the higher-level are done out of corruption.

winter pivot
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Drama

pastel path
mild forge
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i just upvoted bc someone told all mdf to upvote

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im down voting

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i dont think people need to make it apparent they are dating in a border game

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its a personal type thing and obviously its ok but i dont want to hear your couple shit

muted venture
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@empty rivet did u downvote bc you want to date me

honest portal
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wouldn't the most successful version of implementation be not invasively invading relationships but rather forcing them to stay private and discouraging them (even though edaters probably wont care) and in the event that the specified groups listed in the suggestion decide to bring this public then demote the parties involved?

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taking a stance as a group against edating on your platform but not actively witch hunting and only enforcing it when lines are crossed seems the most logical, right?

hardy ingot
honest portal
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Yea I know but others have brought up a valid concern of privacy and many of these cases are not easy to catch immediately until one party is unsatisfied

hardy ingot
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If they keep it private, that should solve the nepotism issue.

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I think officers should understand the power dynamic and why fraternization would be prohibited.

ashen hedge
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Hicom are finishing the final discussions regarding this issue and will be releasing a statement & any changes to come by this conference.

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After carefully reading of each argument, and a lot of the points each person has been making.

honest portal
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🫂

hardy ingot
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If officers are going out of their way to hide illicit behavior from HICOM and IC, that’s another problem that needs solving…

ashen hedge
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? Wdym

hardy ingot
# ashen hedge ? Wdym

This whole issue was brought up due to public displays of affection between Officers and Enlisted members, if prohibiting fraternization causes them to instead privatize their behavior, that brings the officer’s loyalty into question.

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While I don’t think AIA, HICOM, and IC should be invading the privacy of others, it should be understood by all Officer+ that the power dynamic still remains regardless of public display.

ashen hedge
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oh I read your message wrong

limber crane
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Is it really our place to interfere with what happens outside the group? If everything is kept separate from the group there is no right for the group's administration to pry

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Imo

hardy ingot
limber crane
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We'll wait for the HICOM verdict. I doubt an outright blanket ban will be enforced

rugged sky
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Imo an easier fix to this is just that if the person is Officer+ they should not be allowed to vote for their SO, it keeps everything fair,

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Aka in AOA invites, officer promotions, etc

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People wont be able to blame nepotism or anything of that sort on the officer and their SO, yes them not being able to vote might suck but it keeps everything as fair as possible since everyone finds this a big issue.

wild snow
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should just let people be happy

ashen hedge
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if it starts affecting AEGIS, that's where "letting people be happy" starts to become a problem.

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Can't have 100% of both worlds.

wild snow
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You're right, there is no 100% of both worlds but there definitely is able to be and should be a common ground in this "situation". Those who have an existing relationship with one another and they just happen to be Officer+ or in the AOA spending time and putting in effort to work up the ranks, shouldn't be investigated or put on hold or looked down upon because they are in an intimate relationship with one another. And most importantly they shouldn't have their personal lives looked into because a situation or two happens every 6 or so months involving two people in an intimate relationship. I don't see those who are good friends with each other being persecuted because of their friendship. But the truth is that the bias and nepotism comes from those friendships. Not the intimate relationships. There's a few cases where the two individuals are in a intimate relationship are being bias to help each other out and cheat the system but that happens every once in 5-6 months at most. I don't think anyone can't sit here and try to justify that the leading cause of bias is coming from people in romantic relationships rather than the ones in good friendships. The ratio between the two is just so disproportionate.

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I'm not saying that those who are in intimate relationships shouldn't be re-assured, or measures brought against them to not bring their personal life into the AOA. Instead I'm saying that they shouldn't be stripped of their privacy and get fucked over when they have put all this time and effort into the group.

gilded basin
wild snow
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like 5 mins

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?

safe hawk
ashen hedge
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I think we've found a sound solution that addresses both sides concerns. Hopefully by this conference, tensions will be eased and we can continue on normally with the change 🙂

wild snow
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cool

ashen hedge
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Every week on Saturday at 3:00PM EST.
For the last two Saturdays of every month, it's hosted at 10:00AM EST for our Aussy and Asian region.

gilded basin
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this is about online dating

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not confernce

ashen hedge
ashen hedge
idle citrus
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what I don’t get is

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What people thing keeping it private will solve

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It certainly won’t prevent any bias and furthermore by having more public relationships the individual can be put under more scrutiny when deciding things like promotions, etc

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(Not that I am advocating that hicomm must be aware of every relationship either, that is just as bad)

hollow olive
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I just fly VTOLs and chill

idle citrus
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Are officer+ able to excuse themselves from votes, etc?

hollow olive
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no but it shouldnt be that hard to allow it / make it a rule

idle citrus
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If there is a concern for bias they should be given the option to either excuse themselves, or vote knowing if it later turns out they acted unfairly or had a bias there will be repercussions

hollow olive
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force someone to be neutral regarding any decisions made about someone they are in a relationship with

idle citrus
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Exactly

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It could even be voluntary if they don’t believe they can make a fair decision

hollow olive
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by DEFAULT and IMMUTABLY, they have to be forced to abstain regarding any voting or decisions made if they are in a relationship

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exceptions would be mayyyyyyybe ToML, and probably IC+ since we NEED these people to respond and they cant exactly be neutral because it would lead to no decision being made

limber crane
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IC sure toml no

hollow olive
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fair

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IC+ then

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since theres only 2 if we force one to abstain it would literally cut their workforce in half lmfao

limber crane
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if any form of anti-bias rules are in place id be the first to advocate it applies to toml as much as it does to everyone else because their decisions have more impact than most of officer+ put together

hollow olive
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relationships MUST be declared to ToML+, you can declare them in private if you want but you have to

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and then mandate neutrality

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would only apply to Officer+ and Div OW+, ignore most of AFA - AS

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okay Ive had my dose of children RPing as adults for one day imma go watch some anime adios

idle citrus
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It should be compulsory at tomls discretion

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But say it’s a friendship or something

hollow olive
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n o

idle citrus
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That toml does not need to be informed of

hollow olive
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if you want to prevent this behaviour

idle citrus
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The officer can abstain themselves

hollow olive
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for edating

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you HAVE to make it compulsory

idle citrus
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Yes

hollow olive
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no optional

idle citrus
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I know

hollow olive
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it defeats the point

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if its a friendship

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well

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dnc

rugged sky
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Its the easiest fix

idle citrus
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I don’t think anyone should be required to declare a relationship to toml

hollow olive
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if you dont require it

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then theres zero point

idle citrus
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That’s a massive privacy invasion

limber crane
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btw the hicom decision is shouted this conf

hollow olive
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no it isnt

limber crane
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in case u guys havent heard

idle citrus
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I know in some workplaces it’s required

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But this is not a real job

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This is an online community

rugged sky
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Ugh

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I have a better idea

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If ur in a relationship that has a power dynamic, aka an EFA and a Veteran Officer

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This information is disclosed to Regcom and it’ll be noted down

hollow olive
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not regcom

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n o t regcom

fluid wraith
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this is all fax

hollow olive
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N o

rugged sky
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The VO should not be allowed to take part in any votes regarding EFA

rugged sky
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Just

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HR’s that can note it down

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And keep track

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The veteran officer should be excluded from any votes that have anything to do with EFA

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its an easy fix

hollow olive
rugged sky
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Ut keeps everything fair

hollow olive
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anyway

rugged sky
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No one can get blamed for nepotism

hollow olive
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im done with this conversation

rugged sky
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Myah same

hollow olive
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i am going back to grass touching

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adios

rugged sky
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Im going into a plane and flying it

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(Into a building)

hollow olive
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ay ay ay

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we dont do that here

rugged sky
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Flying it into a man?

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Idk

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Murder

scenic lance
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Bias is still one component, can there really be consent in a relationship with a power dynamic?

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I just realized I could've made everyone approve this suggestion with one simple change:

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(with rizz)

gilded basin
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changing my vote rn

charred hound
past surge
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honestly

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W post

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but one thing is jsut that if its outside of aegis it shouldnt matter

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unless it affects their aegis work or sum shit

native spear
obsidian rivet
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fr ban that shit

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online dating

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wtf

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go do some pushups

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go walk

manic solstice
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hit the gym

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focus on urself

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not some random online person

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who u will prolly never meet

obsidian rivet
obsidian rivet
manic solstice
muted venture
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i only know what a dew is

civic lodge
obsidian rivet
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You can literally sound like anyone

muted venture
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true

charred hound
burnt maple
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So apparently this has been here and I didn't see it hoh_aegis

obsidian rivet
burnt maple
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i saw the thing #📢🌎global-shout and i thought wth is this e-dating about

alpine leaf
ashen hedge
ashen hedge
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We aren't the relationship police.

alpine leaf
ashen hedge
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Also to address the recent conversation,

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In the shout there is a clause mentioning if you can't trust yourself to not vote justly in matters involving your relationship (if you think your s/o deserves a promotion, you must be able to prove without a reasonable doubt they're qualified given the facts of their position. Have they met quota? Cooldown done? Exemplary performance otherwise?)

Then you probably shouldn't be an officer+. However we would like to think we're all respectable & responsible enough to conduct ourselves properly.

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So while on one hand we encourage- for your own safety- to not vote / involve yourself with matters with your s/o involving AEGIS,

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We also greatly appreciate and can value those who aren't clouded by their relationship and look at the facts

alpine leaf
ashen hedge
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Not to toot my own horn but I know if I were in a relationship in AEGIS that I'd be capable of looking past that and enforcing our rules fairly, voting if needed, etc without the influence of said s/o.

alpine leaf
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being clouded by a relationship isnt healthy

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if u cant vote without being biased from your relationship

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then why vote?

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GODGAMER707505reborn is typing...

deep umbra
alpine leaf
deep umbra
alpine leaf
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thats the problem

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if they dont know then clearly their relationship isnt healthy

gilded basin
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ima ask again

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where the ladys

scenic lance
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Ladies.

burnt maple
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Tbh the simple fact of "e-dating" seems really wrong, you'll probably never get to see the other person so why bother smh

pastel path
ashen hedge
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Man, explaining that I have good friends that I've known for years from roblox is cringy as hell

pastel path
burnt maple
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Having to explain the whole game to friends and my current position is already pretty weird lmao

ashen hedge
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how do you think I feel

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yeah I'm a high rank in a roblox military group sunglassesrub

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LOOOL

burnt maple
ashen hedge
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even when I met oce and lites last week my family who was travelling with me was like "uhh, what?"

pastel path
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So then I had to explain this entire thing to him which took me 15 minutes as he wanted to know details 💀

burnt maple
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"Why are you just sitting there doing nothing, how is that fun"

pastel path
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Then he asked what jell was when an initiate tried to TK me for the 5th time. So I had to explain that too.

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(Note this was all when I got UC for the first time)

hexed minnow
scenic lance
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Corpsii doing the AIA meetup irl

pastel path
scenic lance
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Bet

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We're gonna e date irl 😳

pastel path
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Damn son

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Banned

hexed minnow
muted venture
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let him cook you yolker

hexed minnow
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shut the hell up

muted venture
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lol

ashen hedge
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||this is a joke, but yes we did meet up as friends||

hexed minnow
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oh NAH

burnt maple
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(I don't know much about dating smh)

idle citrus
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this conference gonna be so fire

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either way someone will be not happy

deep umbra
ruby condor
late steppe
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i want to online date 😔

fluid wraith
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ew

late steppe
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im not like that bro

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🙄

empty rivet
deep umbra
empty rivet
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ok

ashen hedge
hexed minnow
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what

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someone will not be happy that they can't edate?

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💀

idle citrus
unborn inlet
charred hound
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They know they'll get a-trained but they still do it in general

nimble niche
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i wonder what happened to start this debate lmao

fluid badger
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Locked post since it has been resolved. 👍

ashen hedge
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@fluid badger could leave it open for another 24h or something?

fluid badger
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wai

ashen hedge
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might be good if someone wants to debate the decision or whatnot

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rather than clogging ontopic

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doesn't make a big difference.

fluid badger
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Fineeeeeeeeeee 🙄

balmy crane
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I just read those paragraphs at the top.

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I completely Agree with what he has stated and there should be change within AEGIS.

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Hey @ashen hedge.

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What does The Chairman think of these things?

brisk seal
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bro probably doesent even know

ashen hedge
balmy crane
ashen hedge
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@scenic lance thoughts regarding the decided solution?

hexed minnow
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at least he got something

karmic vale
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Honestly I think this is a good solution to a complex problem.

fluid badger
balmy crane
scenic lance
empty rivet
gilded basin
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God damn.

ashen hedge
deep umbra
safe hawk
charred hound
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without*

safe hawk
charred hound
safe hawk
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I was found out. Ya know Ais gotta do what ais gotta do

arctic skiff
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Corpsii wants to keep it open for ~24 hours to let people discuss if needed

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he said it here earlier

hexed minnow
safe hawk
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and what would be considered valid proof. Things can be forged and friendships could appear like edating. Thats just the one thought I had.

hexed minnow
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then that person that was reported only needs to explain

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and the person that falsely reports him gets his ass booted

deep umbra
native spear
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can someone tell me what happened in the conference

ashen hedge
honest portal
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or at least I cant

limber crane
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Its global shouts

honest portal
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I can see the conference details but the ruling part itself shows #no access

ashen hedge
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oh

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Yes it really

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only applies to AEGIS

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but I'll post it here

honest portal
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thanks

native spear
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ty

ashen hedge
alpine leaf
patent tinsel
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wht happened with scrutinized proves it

ashen hedge
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Scrutinized is an exploiter, a troll, a schemer