#Stop letting PKSF go on top of the helipad???

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mossy mango
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bro raiders can get up there i think

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its crackable

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why wont we be able to

livid perch
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ain’t like y’all don’t got snipers

mossy mango
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😱

livid perch
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is flanking not allowed anymore?
do you just expect us to throw wave after wave uselessly?

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like y’all don’t camp that too

winter heart
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Bruh..

livid perch
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i ain’t see nothing

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no proof

winter heart
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you seem to be overdoing it

livid perch
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😎

mossy mango
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raiders are able to get on the helipad (as there has been before)

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but yes we will just try shoot them from the roof

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we also don't spawn on the helipad

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might be shocking news to you

winter heart
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The topic is so stupid dylanjkltriggered_aegis

mossy mango
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its the border operated by the aegis corporation

winter heart
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It looks like you are very strong

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I'm weak at this because your weapons are different. p2w champsmh_aegis

livid perch
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work to win better
join pksf for tools and armor

winter heart
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So you don't need to overdo it.

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I'm dying all the time but I'm not complaining

gusty ember
gusty ember
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no?

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im talking about an aegis-only barrier

mossy mango
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oh

gusty ember
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on the elevator itself

mossy mango
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you still can get up to the helipad

gusty ember
mossy mango
gusty ember
mossy mango
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yeah sorry sir yes sir, a private military company cannot use its territory to shoot raiders

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"if raiders cant go sc room, then why can sc go into sc room???????????????????????????"

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L

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how can we abuse it

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to shoot you must have a clear line of sight

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raiders can fire back

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raiders can get on the helipad

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oh so you cant crack the tower elevator?? 🤯

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mindblown

mossy mango
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thats factual then that barrier was probs added recently

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chairman spawns there

plain herald
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bruh

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pksf fighting there lift for a helipad

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if its unfair dont use it sinple

gusty ember
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if you use it for its intended purpose, great, if you use it to snipe from an area we cant even get to or counter you from, not so great

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we literally cannot counter

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if raiders could get up there then I wouldnt care

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but we simply cant

plain herald
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or not a allowed location for people unless vips r there

plain herald
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put it in pksf guidelines

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easy solve

gusty ember
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or just remove the barrier since the location is actually used now whereas before I didnt ever see it used

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pretty sure it wouldnt affect dylan actually using it were the barrier to be removed

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since we'd be forced through a tiny door with no cover, were he actually appearing there it'd be difficult for raiders to enter with multiple PKSF up there

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im aware of multiple pksf using helipad to snipe raiders then moving back to a position we cant even shoot from

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ye, but aegis only barrier prevents us from leaving

winter heart
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So y’all mad that we are doing this

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BUT

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You camp elevators and roof

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Hmmmmm

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But u guys camping roof is fair?

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I’m not trying to come off as rude

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But you say what we are unfair when it’s unfair that you are camping the roof yes. Then once the elevator with aegis in it opens you mow them down

plain herald
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@winter heart ngl your guys excuse for anything overpowred is “you guys camp elevators”

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@polar hearth

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i dont think yall take into consideration the fact yall sit in caves, sewer, rockstar, below elevators, behind doors, behind walls towards raid routes, tls, our spawn, gate , cave entrance

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but anytime we get nerfed seriously, all of a sudden in suggestions everyone says “you guys camp elevator and roof” wawawa 3v35

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legit under 15 years of age or 35 plus are aegis no doubt about it

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legit

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but they run out as soon as they respawn instead of building up a push

lost mason
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raiders when they cant camp the every exit to the roof (its unfair)

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raiders using their skills to spam click on an elevator with a 5ss (very fair)

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pksf can go pretty much anywhere besides aia as far as i know

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in the facility i mean

delicate flicker
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there’s a barrier just like other roof enterance

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if you’re talking about that

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idk how pksf even get there in the first place

livid perch
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skill issue tbh

chrome sierra
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theres a thing blocking it just like second roof entrance

static jacinth
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Only way I knew it was the heli pad was using shift lock to see through the wall

livid perch
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oh no

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ive been proven wrong

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im disintegrating

dusk sandal
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but

winter heart
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Just cope

winter heart
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dont change anything tbh

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bro wrote this because he got killed from this method

lament solstice
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raiders cant get up there

severe forge
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its fine untill the pksf either start sniping from it or theres 5 pksf and they all jump down at the same time

hazy pewter
velvet tendon
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just a raider skill issue

winter heart
lusty magnet
delicate flicker
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@lusty magnet flop

lusty magnet
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@delicate flicker flop

maiden star
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bruh

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you can snipe the shit out of us anytime from the buildings during lockdown

hazy pewter
hollow pilot
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Didn’t even realize this existed.

hard wagon
gusty ember
amber oxide
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we are allowed up there if roof is getting camped which it was to help clear it

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“oh no we are camping elevators with 5ss how unfair we can be sniped and not just be allowed to camp!”

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the only reason we jump down is because there is no way to get back in from the top

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the intention of going there is to snipe not flank

lucid otter
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Honestly skill issue IMO

velvet tendon
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average raider logic

deft river
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ive always wanted to snipe up there when i was first a raider, but seeing it now it'd be too op for camping roof as wastelander since you just got a huge terrain adventage. and when pksf snipe from up there, you can attempt to 1s them from TLS or almost any tower in the middle of the map as their character is well-seen with a scope

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another alternative would be getting next the chairman tower's walls or get cover under something

winter heart
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Sounds like a skill issue.

amber oxide
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just go on tls and snipe us we cannot see anything past the gate fence from there

delicate flicker
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💀

compact lily
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this is a skill issue

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just raid better

livid perch
amber oxide
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L suggestion

tiny crown
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I’d argue it’s not very realistic with PKSF jumping down from tower and not flattening their bodies

compact lily
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But that's just Roblox.

tiny crown
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Yeah, still it’s a bit stupid

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But I’d argue aegis need to actually be a bit more organised and idk not let raiders take roof before getting camped in to shit

delicate flicker
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@tiny crown so you agree on not letting pksf go up that tower

tiny crown
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I agree they should be allowed up to snipe or maybe give Sthd some sniping room type thing up there but you shouldn’t be allowed to jump off

tiny crown
delicate flicker
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oh ok

tiny crown
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So yes I agree it should be compromised on

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And from a personal perspective I think raiders should be able to get anywhere other than aegis spawn and sc room

tiny crown
maiden star
compact lily
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Can we talk about raiders climbing the cliffs in order to bypass GC? Is it a bug or intentional

dusk sandal
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pretty sure it's a dev mistake

compact lily
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has anyone made a suggestion or a bug report yet

dusk sandal
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devs are notified of it

velvet tendon
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glitch abuse

compact lily
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alr cool

compact lily
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They already do get everywhere.

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But then again, the main focus for the game is focused on both sides; the game should not be, or is not entirely built around key cracking into areas your not supposed to go into.

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As of now, if you raid, you have no clear objective other than to meltdown the site.

deft river
compact lily
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My point is the purpose we exist is to counter raid by doing stuff like this.

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Your options are to get better or stop raiding.

vernal fjord
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pw2 1s works well against this\

polar hearth
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i would say to just let raiders up there

dusk sandal
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let the raiders in sc room

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it's so op 🙀

deft river
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yeah dont mind us switching from protocol processing to invasion each minute

polar hearth
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yes we must also spam lights

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to blind the aegis

plain herald
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lock all doors during protocol processing

waxen drum
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nor the balcony or other high up areas that everyone and their mother have jumped off of

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we definitely won't be restricting any jumping off of things until fall damage is added to the game 💀

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standing on the helipad and shooting might get some restrictions, as honestly i find that it makes the PKSF sort of useless for defending the border internally

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but it will not be becoming a warnable offense to go up onto our own helipad and shoot from our own helipad

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"lore" should not have anything to do with combative divisional rules

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the main arguments ive been seeing is that it doesn't make sense by LORE for us to be up there

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yes on a technical level he owns everything in the border

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the helipad is meant for PKSF and ToML+ exclusively, though

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there are many areas in the border that people can go to when they shouldn't be able to

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anyone with a level 2 can wander down into the ARD sector

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what's the difference

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they're both rooms that some people can access when they shouldn't be able to

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💀

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i imagine chairman was a bit sick of being spawncamped

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then that's a personal suggestion for you to give to chairman

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"use :god more and let us get into your spawn room"

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yep

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it's got a nice little dev relaxation area down there now though

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💀

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there's also still a bunch of buttons on the walls that he uses in there

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i doubt he'd want to remove all of it just cause raiders want to sit on a bench

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there is your tactical advantage

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well they can't shoot you from up there when they're hiding can they

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problem solved

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then 1S them after they've waited for a moment

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so can you

delicate flicker
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how does one get up there

waxen drum
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you've got the whole wasteland/roof to run around

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move when they move

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flick to their location

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be dark colours and hide yourself in the darkness

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we can't see usernames from up there

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too far

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not if its super dark

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then- then- then- hit 2 shots 😱

compact lily
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aim

waxen drum
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he's got an opinion

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and his opinion is get better

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💀

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then you should be able to kill us up there

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use strategy

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be dark colours

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move around when they move

compact lily
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just because your a raider doesn’t mean your entitled to a free opinion

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just get better

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simple

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holy shit just fucking wait

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15 minutes

waxen drum
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true the day is short as fuck

compact lily
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for the day cycle

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to complete

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no it is not

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just wait

waxen drum
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also uhh

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if its day

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maybe dont focus on areas where they can hit you from the tower

compact lily
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yes

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go do something else

waxen drum
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them being up there is them being distracted from your meltdowns or your lab raids

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use that to your advantage during day time

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then go kill them when its night and they cant see shit

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or

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just hit your shots before they can

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during day time

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by 1Sing them from below when they cant see you cause its dark as hell

compact lily
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are you trained in long ranged combat

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do you know how to line your shots

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my brother in christ

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get

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better

waxen drum
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bro we are glowing

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we have several neon material parts for you to see

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and a bright white glowing shield

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how do you snipe anyone from anywhere then 💀

delicate flicker
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@waxen drum wait are pksf allow to jump down from there

waxen drum
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if you cant see glowy bits

waxen drum
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there's no other way to get back down

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how 💀

delicate flicker
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eh

waxen drum
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there's no other way to get off the tower

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omg flanking is a mechanic 😱

delicate flicker
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do you guys like use a lift to get up there

compact lily
winter heart
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quite obvious theres a lift

waxen drum
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fall damage doesn't even exist in the border fuck making a rule about fall damage 💀

winter heart
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how else

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do we use exploits

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and fly up there

waxen drum
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tower elevator and then a one-way lift

delicate flicker
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oh

waxen drum
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this guy knows whats up

compact lily
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the roof of the tower is clearly a fighting point to defend the roof

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your job as a raider is to adapt to that

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and instead of shooting them once

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shoot them twice

delicate flicker
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kinda basically saying I can use hanger vtol lift to flank!

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but with no protection it’s fine I guess

compact lily
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they are a challenge

waxen drum
winter heart
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  • it doesnt work
delicate flicker
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hm

waxen drum
delicate flicker
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omg I want city badge!!!

waxen drum
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💀

winter heart
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seems like when we tried it we just arent very good lol

waxen drum
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manchair mightve moved it more since the time i tried to do it ig

compact lily
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just deal with it that your one shot weapon is now a pretty good weapon. You can STILL kill a PKSF and I’ve seen raiders kill one before

waxen drum
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ya we die to raiders all the time

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we arent invincible 💀

compact lily
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It’s hard to fight raiders so god created pksf

lilac jungle
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I'd have to agree, this does give raiders a huge disadvantage

winter heart
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you literally 1s their shield

compact lily
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so why are you arguing that

winter heart
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and use 4hm

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or x33

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its easy to kill them

compact lily
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just shoot them three times

waxen drum
lilac jungle
compact lily
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everyone has 1s

waxen drum
winter heart
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its literally easy to kill pksf

waxen drum
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we are safe from one direction only

winter heart
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1s + 3c or 4hm

waxen drum
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and that one direction of safety can be broken with a single shot

winter heart
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ok true play defensive

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oh ye heres another way

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you download exploits

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tp behind them

waxen drum
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fr

winter heart
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and then tp away

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that will work

compact lily
waxen drum
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if you can land a single hit of 5SS that shield is gone

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🤨

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all combat divisions are pretty equally trained in combat

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we just have different equipment that separates us

compact lily
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MDF, STHD both are anti-raiders, and sometimes they do good, yes

waxen drum
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we are

winter heart
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anyways guys im getting active and i will camp helipad 24/7 with my 5ss

waxen drum
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STHD has extremely shitty equipment

compact lily
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but the true thing is they suck at killing people sometimes

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with titianium armor

winter heart
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some arent

waxen drum
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most of STHD is pretty good at combat 💀 their gear just sucks ass

compact lily
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some STHD are experienced in combat

compact lily
waxen drum
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naw

compact lily
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damn

waxen drum
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our weapon is slightly worse than MDF's M16

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MDF's M16 goes crazy though

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so i mean our gun is good but it's absolutely not dew level

compact lily
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ah I see

amber oxide
lilac jungle
waxen drum
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still an opinion

amber oxide
waxen drum
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we fight them in checkups, trainings, raid events, etc

compact lily
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so, keep in mind the purpose of PKSF is to protect very important people and assets, so of course they are going to have countermeasures

amber oxide
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But performance wise it’s definitely not

waxen drum
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ive fought plenty of STHD

compact lily
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so, as a raider, why not

waxen drum
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they're pretty average in combat 💀 as the rest of the combat divs are

compact lily
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get better

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it’s not impossible to kill a PKSF

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I argue the system is okay as it is

waxen drum
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doesn't mean they're automatically better

compact lily
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if we put a ARD against a STHD who would win

waxen drum
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😍

waxen drum
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oops

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ARD and STHD

compact lily
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but ard has a one shot revolver

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if you aim

waxen drum
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ARD has been a lot more combative recently

compact lily
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at the head

waxen drum
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😍

compact lily
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it is

waxen drum
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ur talking about the revolver

compact lily
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no, I mean the rifle

tiny kayak
waxen drum
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worse than the g14 if i remember correctly

compact lily
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ok

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I argue that because of the rifle, they were just given it just for kicks

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or weapon testing

lilac jungle
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But I'd have to agree that pksf should only go up there if the chairman is online, they can easily guard the border from roofs, cliffs, and caves.

waxen drum
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lol

compact lily
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what do we do

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are we going to go up the elevator and die to a 1s?

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no, of course not

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we adapt

winter heart
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theres no point in this the chairman wont allow it regardless

waxen drum
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wont allow it ?!?!?!?!?

compact lily
winter heart
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the suggestion

waxen drum
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oh

winter heart
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he might

lilac jungle
winter heart
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but its very low

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your a bit stupid

waxen drum
winter heart
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you have always been

lilac jungle
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Like seriously it isn't hard to wipe us out.

winter heart
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you can just 1s us

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its very easy to kill any pksf

lilac jungle
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You guys just suck.

waxen drum
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it is very hard when you've got 5 raiders up there with 5SS and 1S 💀

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all pointed at the elevator

lilac jungle
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I only use 5ss indoors now and days.

waxen drum
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ok

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thats you in particular

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not every raider

compact lily
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1s

lilac jungle
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And you guys got numbers, maybe if you all were stuffed in the elevator you'd have a chance.

compact lily
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Xx

waxen drum
lilac jungle
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I only see about 4 or 5 of yall in 1 elevator. And also you got three places to exit out from.

waxen drum
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we have 2

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the roof elevator and the corridor on the back of the roof

lilac jungle
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3, that uh...middle area near the crates

compact lily
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Thats not a passage

waxen drum
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we can't get up there without getting to roof?

compact lily
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that’s just a area

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I saw a raider go down there and I kept them in there for so long they got bored and resetted

lilac jungle
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I mean all of this could be fixed if render distance was fixed. Then I could easily snipe pksf from polisx.

waxen drum
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💀

waxen drum
compact lily
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theres a reason why the fog exists

waxen drum
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its been like that for about 2 years 💀

winter heart
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you do know if you set your graphics to like 5 to 6 you can see through the fog

compact lily
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Theres a reason why you can’t unrealisticly snipe beyond the fog

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because that would be game breaking

waxen drum
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it gets rid of the blurriness but the fog itself stays when you're on 7 graphics

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i should go in a private server and check out how fog-less dod would look sometime

lilac jungle
waxen drum
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its some kinda duststorm bs

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constant sandstorms be like

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ya we cant see shit from up here at night time

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aw do embeds not work in these feedback things

lilac jungle
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Eh better to fix render distance to me, makes it easier for me to recon

compact lily
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then you can oneshot across the map

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do you really need that

lilac jungle
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Yes.

velvet tendon
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raider logic

ancient lodge
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use sniper

velvet tendon
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proof where

hazy pewter
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I disagree with this suggestion.

hazy pewter
velvet tendon
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3 times

delicate flicker
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why did you complain to @molten jay

velvet tendon
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because he used 5ss on me

delicate flicker
molten jay
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🤓

hidden comet
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If chairman is there, then that is reason enough. Plus PKSF are usually allowed most places. Not sure why you have a problem with it. Also, pretty sure there are ways to get in there from other than inside the facility.

delicate flicker
hidden comet
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Not exactly everywhere.

sand crystal
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i mean yeah pretty much

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just not bunker and aia wing

hidden comet
hidden comet
delicate flicker
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@sand crystal hm they changed rules

sand crystal
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no

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been like that for ages

delicate flicker
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how many rules have been changed when I was gone 😭

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just like mdf allow to go to z14, mdf would’ve been STRIKED for touching radiation

sand crystal
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what

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it's been like that forecer evan

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it was like that when i first joined pksf september 2021

delicate flicker
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HIH

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WHAT

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no no

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mdf used to not be allow into z14 or any radiated areas before

delicate flicker
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yes it is

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I was ex mdf 😉😉😉

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@sour snow right

mossy mango
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we can aia wing

delicate flicker
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^

sour snow
delicate flicker
sand crystal
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like a UM

delicate flicker
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dms

sand crystal
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are we about to

vernal fjord
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are u smoke sire

sand crystal
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yes

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yes i am

vernal fjord
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pls dm

tiny crown
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what is being debated here

ancient lodge
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pksf being allowed to go anywhere (no one cares)

vernal fjord
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(skill issues in play)

delicate flicker
dusk sandal
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Wow

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192.111.09.152

winter heart
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Lol

amber oxide
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because STHD has shit armour and weapons

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while pksf has the best armour, shield, and one of the best divisional weapons

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a fair 1v1 with the same weapons and armour could go either way

scarlet arrow
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what even is the argument here anymore

sand crystal
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we are bad at game and want to camp roof but pksf wont let us 😠 😠

scarlet arrow
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PKSF only really go up there when roof is overrrun and being camped.. It's pretty easy to countersnipe from cliffs or even easier from TLS, since we physically cannot see that far from up there.. We're also sitting ducks when sniping from up there, being bright white and at night, essentially forced to scope in

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I don't see why it's a huge issue except that it forces you to watch one extra spot when camping roof for ages

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And only PKSF can go there, it's not like there's 12 divisionals sitting there sniping

sand crystal
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yeah it's not like

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the whole roof is on helipad

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it's like 2 pksf maybe

delicate flicker
ancient lodge
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Alrighty HereComesMrWaffles!

severe forge
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thats a cool fact HereComesMrWaffles

autumn raptor
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Kinda following up on what light said, we've been instructed by our UOC to only utilize it when roof is being camped. We don't sit up there with a 1s aimed at cliffs, once roofs are cleared we come down. You can't argue that helipad is broken when its only used when elevator is being camped by 5ss users. Its not overused or abused, its a balance to people camping elevators.

amber oxide
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i dont even have a problem with raiders being allowed up there i see your point there

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but to prevent pksf from utilizing a location is kind of silly

maiden star
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raiders should not be allowed up there. its a spawn, for the chairman

hollow pilot
maiden star
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raiders cannot access the whole facility

hollow pilot
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Mostly every thing.

maiden star
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they arent allowed in AEGIS spawn, so they shouldnt be in chairmans spawn

hollow pilot
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At least I don't think so.

maiden star
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he spawns on the helipad

hollow pilot
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Then make it fair.

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If PKSF can access it, so can raiders.

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Or reverse it and let no one on there.

maiden star
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why should raiders have the opportunity to spawncamp the chairman?

hollow pilot
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First of all, the ChairMan doesn't join the server most of the time, and he's guarded by PKSF which would lower the chances of him dying.

maiden star
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if raiders are on the helipad when he joins they could block the door with the keypad cracker

hollow pilot
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Has that ever happened?

maiden star
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how would i know? its not like it would be impossible

hollow pilot
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Plus, I think they have better things to do other than break into the border, access the tower, get to the helipad, wait for the chairman to join, and immediately spawn killing him.

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The chances are low.

maiden star
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im just saying if they ARE there and he joins

hollow pilot
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And even if it did happen, the ChairMan could probably teleport.

maiden star
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even so i doubt he wants his spawn being camped

hollow pilot
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And if they did block the door with crackers, the door open after at least ten seconds, and you have to close the door, and use the cracker again, which can also delay the time, and the PKSF can get in.

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It's clear that the ChairMan doesn't like being pinged, so he most likely doesn't being spawn killed. But that doesn't mean he can teleport away.

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Yeah, maybe he will implement this rule in the future if it does happen, or if he thinks it's a good idea, but for now, raiders are allowed up there.

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Or maybe just implement a rule that you can't spawn camp the ChairMan.

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Easy as that.

hollow pilot
deft river
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while we are attempting to kill him, he has already gone somewhere else due to his hp amount

autumn raptor
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chairman doesn't spawn on helipad

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he joins the game via helipad

waxen drum
# hollow pilot First of all, the ChairMan doesn't join the server most of the time, and he's gu...

the chairman doesn't join the server most of the time
and when he does, he'll get spawncamped, and then the issue arises again

he's guarded by pksf which would lower the chances of him dying
we don't sit up there on the helipad anticipating when he's gonna join
when the helicopter flies over the wasteland, we find out he joined and have to rush up there at the same time the raiders do
while we are typically closer to the tower at that moment than the raiders are, that's not true all of the time, as they might already be raiding that corridor as he joins and can get there before us, then allowing him to be spawncamped

waxen drum
maiden star
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that’s true

autumn raptor
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They’re the uoc

feral plume
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@winter heart Why should PKSF not be able to go to the helipad when it is one of the places the Chairman can arrive in-game at? You might as well making it so that PKSF can't go into the Chairman's office if it's going to be like that. If PKSF can't access the helipad then how will they able to protect the chairman from raiders when he is arriving in-game or on the helipad? It could potentially lend to raiders spawn camping the area which would be annoying and a big problem. Also you raiders can camp at the elevator and the hall leading to the border gate.

severe forge
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and you can camp cliffs and caves

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ez

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and rockstar

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and literally all the other places

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cause you have a advantage to

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exept you guys dont for some reason

winter heart
severe forge
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MY ENTIRE ARGUMENT

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GUH

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I CAN FEEL IT BEING DESTROYED

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NOOOOOOOO

winter heart
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Fr

winter heart
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Bro, for example what about VTOL, we can't fly with it as AAA because you can't fly with it as wastelander??

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They may go there if chairman joins, as it's for fast reaction to protect him, why do you think else they may have access to it.

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And you expect us to just go on the roof in waves to just get killed by single 5ss going to the elevator.

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It's supposed to be fair for both sides.

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You guys for example were killing wastelanders at the lines from TLS at last border.

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It's to make it fair for both sides.

severe forge
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were not sniping from TLS anymore though

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were sniping at TOT

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ez

winter heart
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The elevator at the back is blocked due to raiders just cracking in, as it's used for roof access if needed also sometimes, but only L-2+ may open it.

winter heart
# severe forge were sniping at TOT

I am just giving an example, it's like you were sniping clear wastelanders as they wanted to get processed only from TLS, and now you just, wow, they added a fence!!! We gonna have to get them to remove it!! As it has to be on our side.

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You already mostly have better position.

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The exit of the elevator may already be camped from many spots, such as RDM, cliffs, tower(near vent), or even behind from it.

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Some side is losing on this and other one gains, but in next update it may be same thing for other side to make it more fair for example.

winter heart
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Bro, you are already camping elevators, how do you expect us to come to the roof and just die?

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That's our way to get though if you are camping elevators.

waxen drum
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not when you camp that one too

waxen drum
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it is possible to camp 💀 sit at the door and shoot

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5SS

winter heart
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And?? we are 24/7 mostly in incursion, as you all win.

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That's not balanced game in my opinion.

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  • You want more to just get more kills.
scarlet arrow
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I've seen both elevators camped for ages so idk what you're talking about

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That's actually one of the scenarios where we use the helipad, because it's slightly more productive than rushing to our deaths over and over

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Or i can go up to the helipad and pick off a few raiders which at the very least forces you to be weary of another angle

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Rather than mindlessly camping two spots for eternity

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Seems more effective than pinging people hoping we get more bodies to throw at the elevator

honest jetty
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If it’s night it’s impossible to see you

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@winter heart

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Doesn’t matter

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Fog masks that

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And night vision is directional so looking down is just pitch black

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The only thing we see is bullet tracsrs

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And there are restrictions to the helipad @winter heart

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Classified

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But what I can say is

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It’s in very specific situations

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Actually

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It might not be

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Kind of the same thing with the roof camping

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No it is

scarlet arrow
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We're glowing white and we're visible, you can shoot us from cliffs, or like sr3lite pointed out, a sniper at TLS ends us very quickly.. at night we're forced to scope in if we want to see anything, making us sitting ducks

honest jetty
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It’s technically raidable

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For obvious reasons

scarlet arrow
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The helipad isn't hard to counter at all, anyone that's raided for a while and is unbiased can tell you that

honest jetty
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^^

scarlet arrow
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It just gives us a more viable counter to roof camping than hoping you get bored

scarlet arrow
severe forge
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that one time where 6 pksf jumped off from it:

honest jetty
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We don’t go up there for just shits a giggles there is always a reason xzzz so it’s not really been my experience that raiders are complaining

scarlet arrow
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You can't possibly complain about us flanking when you're camping for ages and aegis are forced to run to their deaths over and over

honest jetty
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^

scarlet arrow
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And again, it's only PKSF that can go up there

honest jetty
scarlet arrow
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I'm saying it isn't

honest jetty
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You camping the roof is broken

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And holding it for eternity is broken

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A raiding spot can most definitely be broken

scarlet arrow
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It isn't significantly hindering raiding in any way, it's just forcing you to be more aware and cover an extra direction

honest jetty
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There is 1 added chance for aegis to take back the roof and you act like it’s impossible to raid anymore

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And that’s the only condition pksf are up there for

severe forge
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honestly all you need is a good controlled rush, that always worked for me when i was in aegis

honest jetty
severe forge
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true

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just trickshot all of the raiders then ez

honest jetty
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In Vc

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School***

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💀💀

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Fr

ancient lodge
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are you still talking about this nahhhhhh 💀

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ya like ive never died from a pksf being up there, just go around them

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or 🌟 use a sniper 🌟

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cant be so hard, they're pretty goofy after all

winter heart
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This is still going on?

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💀

feral plume
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Yes

ancient lodge
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pretty goofy

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quite the silly people

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goofy

winter heart
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😔

autumn raptor
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its a mid suggestion

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can we just move on

maiden star
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this suggestion is just "hey, dont defend the border"

dusk sandal
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based asf

livid perch
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ong

dusk sandal
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guys

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just letting you know i got 20 kills on helipad

winter heart
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shush

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nobody needs to know that😉

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he got 20 kills on helipad guys

dusk sandal
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@winter heart @winter heart i got 20 kills on helipad

winter heart
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I can't believe he got 20 kills on a helipad

dusk sandal
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🙀

winter heart
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someone should stop him from doing that

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😈

dusk sandal
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I will continue to do it

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And blame it on tacotruckcc

hazy pewter
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No

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Pksf have 2 jobs kill everyone they see and proctect their vip

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Common knowledge by now

winter heart
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I'm 2 minutes away from farting

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that better be a lie bro

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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this is so racist

slender fossil
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the helipad is chairman's spawn right

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Talking about the one at the top of the tower?

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If it can't be cracked and accessed (which it shouldn't be) then imo pksf shouldn't be up there

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correct

scarlet arrow
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well, because he said he wants us up there when he joins

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you can kill pksf that are killing you from up there..

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if we're shooting you, you can shoot right back, and if we're moving to a position where you can't shoot us, we can't shoot you either

winter heart
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last time I tried harming dylan I ended up in a weird shield ball thing

scarlet arrow
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well he never told us we can only use it when he's around, with the bunker which you referenced, it was clearly stated chairman doesn't want anyone there. We have access to it, its high ground, you can attack the PKSF that are attacking you from there.. i don't see the issue

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its not even that overpowered, a simple sniper on TLS or cliffs can kill anyone up there

winter heart
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I tried shooting chadman but he his ass was too immaculate (the bullet bounced right off)

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it's a good vantage point

scarlet arrow
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it is now

winter heart
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who made that rule up

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"no shooting from that area 😡 "

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who was it

scarlet arrow
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Think of it this way, you guys can't access the secondary roof corridor, but there's no rule against shooting you from it, because you can shoot right back

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raiders can't crack that either

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so..?

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If the chairman is online we're protecting him, not going on a shooting spree from helipad

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we do, because its a vantage point we can access

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no one said anything about not using it when he's not around

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the argument that raiders can't crack it isn't valid, because we can still be shot when we're attacking you from up therer

velvet tendon
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why is this conversation still a thing

scarlet arrow
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not a clue

waxen drum
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he wishes for pksf to be there, and so we go there

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won't be changing that any time soon

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there's vantage points up there, there's cover, and a lift to get up to the top of the tower itself

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seems like it had more intended use than just a helicopter animation

scarlet arrow
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there's more than 1 area that's uncrackable that we use, like i said the roof corridor is uncrackable, but we still use it, and we can shoot fromit because you can shoot us too

waxen drum
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why would we need to go up to protect him?

scarlet arrow
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why is that an issue

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if he's not there, it being his spawn doesn't matter

waxen drum
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when i say the lift, i mean the lift on the helipad itself

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the lift that automatically lowers when the helicopter animation begins

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why would he add that if no one was intended to be on top of the tower

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and that's not even mentioning the crates up there, and the rest of the cover

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like that weird little arch

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and yet he's never used it

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if he wanted to go up on top of the tower, he would fly up there, not build himself a lift to slowly raise him up

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he spawns on the helipad, which is not directly the top of the tower

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the top of the tower is two sections, the helipad room with the lift and the controls and the elevator,

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and then the actual top of the tower, with the crates and the arch

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he spawns on the helipad in the lower section

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you think im lying to you about how the helipad looks and works? 💀

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there are two sections to the top of the tower, the lower section with the elevator, and the upper part that we shoot from

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what makes you think that

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yeah

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doesn't mean any AEGIS can go there

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cracking as aegis is bannable

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not legally, and so it doesn't count

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similarly to how any field agent has a level 2, which can access any door in the ARD sector besides the labs

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doesn't mean field agents are allowed into the ARD sector

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same goes for the prison

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yes... we're talking about whether they're allowed to or not

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the fact that they can doesn't make a difference to whether something is classified

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and while it isn't classified, i don't see your point

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sure

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and?

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no, that's not true at all

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and that's breaking a classification, not removing the fact that something is classified

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a breaking of a rule doesn't decide whether the rule exists or not 💀 what are you even trying to say

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and it would continue to be a breach of classified info, as the area would be classified

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something being accessible doesn't make it not classified

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because it can't be entered without breaking rules...

polar hearth
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calm down ladies

waxen drum
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doesn't mean the rules don't exist

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if you break a rule, the rule still exists

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yes they do, as they then receive a punishment for the rule they broke, as would anyone else for breaking a rule

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why would it matter if they care about it 💀

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we aren't arguing about whether they would care about it

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you're trying to argue the "point" that rules just don't exist if it's possible to break them?

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we're up there due to the chairman wanting us to be up there

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there will be no changing that

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this entire argument is useless 💀

delicate flicker
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💀

waxen drum
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never said we couldn't, and he gave us the tools to do so

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and officer+ aren't allowed to be up there by area restriction rules

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PKSF, on the other hand, are

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never said that specifically 💀

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let me find what he said exactly 1 sec

feral plume
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But PKSF would only shot if you were trying to shot him or other PKSF or if you're on KOS would they not?

waxen drum
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you can

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oh you meant when he's on the helipad

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thought you meant in general nvm

waxen drum
scarlet arrow
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as opposed to cases like the bunker, where he's specified no one can go there unless he says so

winter heart
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hell nah, this is still going on?

scarlet arrow
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our point is chairman is generally very clear when he doesn't want someone in a certain area

winter heart
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theres really no point in changing this

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besides making things easier for raiders

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which has been the theme of recent updates

waxen drum
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u guys should be asking for the sedation room to be crackable then too, if your argument is that you should be able to go anywhere that aegis can

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he doesn't ask us to protect him, we go automatically

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but you want the entire facility to be crackable no?

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that's the point you were pushing before

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chairman knows how PKSF operates

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we follow him anywhere and everywhere, except for locations he specifically says not to enter

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such as his bunker

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i think we've gone over why it's not actually as broken as you think it is multiple times

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so? he doesn't make that decision

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and, as was said earlier, his rank doesn't automatically mean he's correct

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not to the 34 people reacting with no, compared to the 5 reacting with yes

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he didn't ask us to go anywhere, he suggested a change to the formation itself, but there were no other requests about the helipad

velvet tendon
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@winter heart you are just repeating the same thing over and over again

waxen drum
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i think the opinions of the community matter to the argument very much, actually 😬

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yeah

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that's what the voting is for, whoever passes/denies the suggestion takes into account the responses from the community

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otherwise there wouldn't be voting

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it'd be useless

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yeah, i know coded is working on our level 4 card, and i know coded is planning to work on the pksf infection

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oh and the "make vault raidable" one too

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neither of them have been added yet, they're being worked on

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it's been added, though, im pretty sure

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city is a whole different situation

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not really

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must've been a really old suggestion then

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what about the volcano

scarlet arrow
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No I'm pretty sure the city was always planned, everything points to people passing through the border to either enlist or access the city

waxen drum
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also how does a keycard switch and a virus compare to the city in terms of development effort whatsoever

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like in what world does that make any sense 😭

autumn raptor
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when someone offers a viable counter to camping roofs with a 5ss that doesn’t involve helipad

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I’ll hear you out

deft river
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rappel with a vtol to roof

autumn raptor
deft river
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nuke the roof with bombs

autumn raptor
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doesn’t the border have a nuke

deft river
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yes, meltdown

autumn raptor
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you become the bomb

deft river
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alr

amber oxide
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Only when he first joins the game

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But if he dies he doesn’t respawn there

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I’ve never been seen the chairman die so I’m not entirely sure but no I don’t believe so

honest jetty
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@winter heart he does not respawn in bunker

scarlet arrow
honest jetty
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💀

scarlet arrow
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I love the idea of stuffing aegis personnel in a vtol and airdroppjng them onto the roof but i don't think that's too fair

lament solstice
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No mercy, but for emergencies.

honest jetty
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That’s against TOS that’s suicide bombing 💀

feral plume
polar hearth
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vraxis bombs exist

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lets now cancel dod for suicide bombing and get it deleted!

lament solstice
warped linden
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wa wa wa

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that’s all this suggestion is

balmy juniper
balmy juniper
maiden star
amber oxide
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call it a mechanical failure

stoic pebble
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no

dusk sandal
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no

stoic pebble
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no

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i think its fair

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and it is

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yeah ok then let me suggest: dont allow raiders to camp elevators/coolant

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same thing

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thats because you guys camp too you have so many advantages and want to restrict PKSF going to x Place

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(s)

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cool

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we have divisional rules and we follow them

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if we can go there we would

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you guys have so many advantages and you are complaining because you cant go to the helipad but pksf can? mate we can go there and will to kill you and raiders

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36 downvotes

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lol

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@scarlet arrow can u tell me who allowed us again to go there

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to kill raiders

dusk sandal
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xzzzzwwd, i have a solution

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just c-c-c-c-c-c-c--c-c-c-c-c-cope

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nerf caves

stoic pebble
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nerf dews

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nerf civillians

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i dont have a single dew lol

golden current
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what helipad do you mean xzzz?

stoic pebble
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lol no

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it has a shit amount fo recoil

golden current
stoic pebble
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its damage is good

stoic pebble
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k

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i only use the f13 and rem

golden current
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oh i know what you mean by ontop now

stoic pebble
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best combo ong

golden current
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i mean like just dont let them get the fully top...

stoic pebble
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might thinking to buy 1s to just snipe better from helipad

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f13 sniping=🤮

dusk sandal
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@winter heart

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i have a solution

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so basically, pull out your weapon and click their head

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and they die

golden current
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🤔

dusk sandal
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just inject fly exploits

stoic pebble
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bro

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all you hav eto dopop shield with 1s

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and use 4hm

golden current
dusk sandal
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bestgamer it's literally op

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i overtook roof by myself

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got 20 kills

stoic pebble
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dude dews are items that ruin this game

dusk sandal
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but we still should be allowed to go there

stoic pebble
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4 head shots with 4hm and a pksf is gone

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LOL

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dude ur the one that spent 20k robux on this game and is complaining about not restricting pksf enough

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lol no

golden current
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🐴

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rick people Problems

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rich*

stoic pebble
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i only have the rem gamepass lol

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rem op

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pksf should go to helipad

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done.

delicate flicker
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ball

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WHAT

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Ok

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Y

stoic pebble
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dude

delicate flicker
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🐈

sour snow
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rip

delicate flicker
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hi son

sour snow
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you did my jmdf thing!

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I rember!

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am proud of u too 🫡

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facts

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I do like pksf as well, but mdf still better

delicate flicker
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@sour snow son!

sour snow
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yea

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lmao

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i remember some other pksf hicom that were uh

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yeah…

autumn raptor
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i ratio this entire channel

latent sail
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ew

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thats my son

stoic pebble
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What

ancient lodge
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Aughh newgen people frrr

tepid zealot
#

I think I got a stroke reading this...

winter heart
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evan is nothing but my big balled compadre

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nothing more nothing less

frosty mountain
#

I spent half an hour watching the whole conversation

winter heart
frosty mountain
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it last for days lol

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For me, I don’t want anymore changes to the game because it changed a lot already. Cliffs and RDM changes, ore run route changes (just longer lol)

lunar vine
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By that logic AIA wing isnt classified either?

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So youre saying AIA wing isnt classified?

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I mean this is really off topic but I just saw how stupid your whole point in that argument was

lunar vine
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Oh so you could post a video of it here?

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Not if its a medal clip

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Exactly

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Because its classified

waxen drum
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doesn't mean it's not classified

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the classification of something is a rule, rules do not stop existing once they've been broken

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does that mean the rule has stopped existing?

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so it's still classified

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that's... how rules work

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they're there to give a "hey please don't do this" and then some people do it anyway

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rules working how rules work doesn't negate the classification of something

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i don't even know the AIA wing's rules on classification so let's use a different example

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my division's guidelines are extremely classified

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any one of my members could leak them everywhere right now, and there would be nothing PHYSICALLY stopping them

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does that mean they're not classified?

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no... they are

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the classifications are rules, and promises of punishment for breaking said rules

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there are no rules in aegis that will physically always prevent someone from doing something, the rules are simply there to say "hey don't do this" and then dictate a punishment for doing so

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why would that change how classified they are?

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that might change how secret they're kept, but they're still classified, those are two different things

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lots of non-PKSF know the PKSF guidelines because of past leaks, but they're still classified, and if any of them spoke about it they'd be punished due to the classification

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because they'd have broken a rule... that rule being the classification of the documents

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yeah, i know you're ex pksf

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if you kept the documents and use them against us, yes, that's breaching the classifications of our documents

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you're a non-PKSF

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meaning you are breaching the classification if you kept them

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same goes for anyone else who has seen a leak and kept the doc for their personal use

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am i hearing that i need to start an investigation because of this feedback post xzz 😭

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still leaking, those are classified too

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right

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wouldn't doubt it

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💀

unreal night
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the helipad is just a scene for realism

unreal night
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then it clearly changed

honest jetty
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No it has always been like that

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Never changed

unreal night
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the helicopter scene bs hasnt been in the game for that long

honest jetty
unreal night
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idgaf bout this crap im talkin bout spawns

winter heart
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  1. Chill tf out your being toxic over nothing.
  2. He spawns on the helipad after the helicopter lands
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being toxic is fun

balmy juniper
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that 94 guy hacked a ARD account and abused

dusk sandal
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oh my sweet baby jesus

autumn raptor
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💀

balmy juniper
lament solstice
#

shiver me timbers, this post was about to preventing pksf from going onto roof, but i think it would be more fair to argue a way for raiders to more safely counter them other than standing on TLS. Or make it accessible. These are just my cents, and I am in no way an experienced raider. So any other input, as long as they're constructive, are welcome.

honest jetty
lament solstice
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Not to mention you fellas can probably shoot the top of our heads at TLS

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(Plus peeking in third person with no risk)

honest jetty
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Can’t shoot tls because of fog

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@lament solstice

lament solstice
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Ah yeah, someone suggested you could shoot from there, so I assumed it could work, but I figured fog would get in the way.

balmy juniper
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tower would be a good spot for STHD to snipe from

lament solstice
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Thanks for your input tho, I don't really have any other ideas other than these but if anyone else does then they are free to come forward and present what they have.

honest jetty
lament solstice
ancient lodge
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It's never gonna happen stop arguing

winter heart
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What's TLS

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I srsly don't kno

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K

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Thx

unreal night
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everyone mad sensitive

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real

deft river
winter heart
unreal night
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ur homie came out me wit the skull emojis and shi so

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nice is besides the point im not gonna sugar coat yall

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drop addy rn

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5 walnut street

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we takin this to anotha level

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oH nO i leaked a random address that prolly belongs to a retired war verteran in a random state in the us whatever shall i do

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the definition of joke nowadays has to be legally changed from fruity sakes

deft river
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nah bonzai

ancient lodge
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Goofy guy bro

feral plume
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This has to be the second longest suggestion in this forum so far

plucky notch
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@unreal night
One and only verbal warning, please keep it normal.
Once again only reason why one should react is to give feedback not to just go ahead and shit around.

winter heart
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fax

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W friedo moment

amber oxide
# stoic pebble LOL

people be complaining about f13 being op and ruining the game while 5ss and 4hm exist 😭

winter heart
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It’s the shield argument all over again here

amber oxide
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nerf p226 makes the game not fun

stoic pebble
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they have like every gamepass almost ingame and still complain about pksf having a shield/going onto the helipad

winter heart
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Fr

stoic pebble
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they forget aegis is a million dollar company that equips its soldiers with the best equipment

winter heart
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And it’s not hard to kill US