New game mode

[somber basin]

Create a new game mode or scenario where Operative+ can do a retrieval mission where they will sneak into a structure to steal batteries or ores for ARD or rescue a squad of AEGIS men who are on patrol outside the boundary. I proposed it so that AEGIS employees would have something to do other just guarding the facility's border against intruders. This kind of excursion can also be led by Field Agent+.

[lament yacht]

aegis is supposed to help not rob really

[swift dagger]

i like the idea but like, divisionals already do this stuff

[austere dock]

If you want additional duties, just join a division

[proven quail]

Divisions are not easy to join and if there were more things for Non-Divisionals to do then this will make them more active.

[somber basin]

Exactly my point

[somber basin]

Not everyone can easily join divisions, but everyone can have fun while playing DoD even though they're not in a division.

[austere dock]

They aren't meant to be easy to join, they are testing to see if you are capable of conducting those duties. If there were more things for Non-Divisionals to do, less people would join divisions because it's easier to just do duties that are just given to you rather than actually put in effort and earn it.

[austere dock]

If you want to have fun and have more things to do, discharge and raid the border or put in more effort and earn it.

I got into PKSF because I really wanted it, not because it was just given to me

[somber basin]

Exactly, needing to discharge just to experience the fun of playing DoD is one reason why other players decided to leave AEGIS and be a citizen/raider. Look, not all players have the time to join division and complete their quota, some other players just wants to have fun playing DoD as an AEGIS personnel and a citizen of the border.

[austere dock]

You know you can negotiate your quota with divisional leadership right?

[somber basin]

Without actually joining a division, It may also help other division handpick AEGIS personnel if they can see the dedication of the players while on a mission etc.

[somber basin]

What if you have no interest on joining a division because you have no time and just wants have fun while playing the game?

[swift dagger]

bruh

if you dont like the game dont play it

you dont need to change one of the most basic and fundamental things about the game so a few more people like it

non divisionals guard the border and divisionals do their specific tasks

no need to jumble those all up

[austere dock]

Then discharge I guess

[somber basin]

No interest on joining a division is not equivalent on not wanting to play the game.

[austere dock]

DoD isn't the only game in exsistence

[somber basin]

But adding these kind of game modes can attract other players to play the game.

[somber basin]

But I don't see any problem with that + there will be a cooldown on every missions.

[austere dock]

I feel like this would replace a few divisional duties though

Like divisional patrols

[somber basin]

I mean, it's not like divisional personnel are always active.

[austere dock]

They should be however

[somber basin]

I mean, you can still do divisional patrol + there will be a cooldown so I don't see any problem.

[swift dagger]

okay

let me write big paragraph on this then

this isnt a minigame type of game, so adding a new "game mode" doesnt even make sense at all. the example you used where operatives can rescue a patrol makes no sense, because they do not return to the border after a patrol, they reset. rescue is not an option. and one where they steal batteries or ore for ard are already done by numerous subdivisions, mercs, or ARD themselves. non-divisional aegis can get boring, yes, but there is no need to swap around all the duties just to make it more exciting. its been said in the past by dylan or coded or whoever, that some things arent added to standard aegis' duties because it would ruin the exclusivity of being a divisional. why join ard to get batteries or ore when you could do this stuff without joining the division in the first place? it would ruin their tasks, make numerous divisions lose members (as you could do these things without joining them) and would overall lead to more chaos, due to people getting confused over whats allowed and what isn

[austere dock]

Yes

[proven quail]

How will giving more thing for Non-Divisions to do will make people not want to join a division? By the doing the same duties like Protecting the Border, Booths, Hosting BAT's etc you lose motion to do these duties and it gets stuck in an endless loop by giving more things for Non-Divisions to it will motivate players to play the game more and will increase their activity and if they want more unique things to do they can join a division like you said and some people might want to join a division for the weapon(s) they receive like MDF's M16. The issue is if Non-Divisionals were giving duties that other divisions do (Besides MDF and STHD).

[austere dock]

The duties being suggested will replace many divisional duties, which will take away the purpose of joining a division and cause divisions to have fewer members.

Also atkrov's statement

If you want extra duties, you should earn them

[proven quail]

It depends on type of duty the person is suggesting and if an AEGIS Personnel is getting sick of tired of doing the same over and over again then it just shows they should earn extra duties. Me myself I stop playing the game for a long time due to lack motivation because I was doing the same duties over and over again for the past couple of months and I didn't bother joining a division since they were too difficult. If me and/or other players lost motivation to do duties because we done the same ones over and over again for the past month then that's proof enough we should earn extra duties.

[austere dock]

Not necessarily. I understand getting bored of the same duties over and over again, it's part of the reason why I discharged from PKSF to join ARD. But if you really want extra duties, you should put in the effort to join a division. It's not impossible to join a division, you just have to put in the work.

It took me multiple attempts to join PKSF, and I of all people still did it.

Because I wanted it.

[round birch]

this is like the police

you have cop

then detective

then swat

then fucking secret service

cop does basic duties, the better divison you join the more you do

u dont see cop protecting president

cop does cop stuff

tldr join division

[royal rover]

^

[proven quail]

Divisions aren't easy to join though

[austere dock]

They arn't meant to be easy

[terse bloom]

is this like a new event sorta thing?

[spark lion]

Just get good.

[lament yacht]

Wot most a fairly easy to join if you have basic knowledge of the game

[proven quail]

There not

[lament yacht]

ok

have you tried getting good?

[proven quail]

sorta

[lament yacht]

welllll

not enough

sooooo

[proven quail]

Joining Divisions are not easy and most Non-Division aren't going to spend their time or effort to join a division because of how really difficult they are.

[lament yacht]

well thats the motivation to rank up so you can join a division and get more duties this entire post defeats the purpose of some divisional duties

[proven quail]

It depends on the duty so it will not defeat the purpose of some division however this post here defeats the purpose of one of ARD's duties (and mercs a bit as well) and we have MDF and STHD which their main job is to defend the border and kill raiders which is the same thing Non-Divisional so that's basically saying Non-Divisions defending the border by killing raiders defeats the purpose of MDF and STHD.

[lament yacht]

you realize MDF and STHD have many more divisional duties other then "killing raiders"

[proven quail]

That's basically their main job the only thing different is that they can go outside the border to take care of raider threats in the Wasteland.

[lethal bluff]

join a division

[proven quail]

But Mr. Trading they're to hard to join

[lament yacht]

Bro even the guy that got blacklisted from STHD for asking a question in general can do better

[austere dock]

It may not be easy, but it's not impossible or that incredibly difficult. You just need to commit.

[proven quail]

I did that and I still failed the apps

[austere dock]

Then try again, you aren't going to get it on the first try lol

[lament yacht]

Yeah its very unlikely you will

[proven quail]

But it was on my second try

[austere dock]

Okay...

Try again

[fervent fog]

i got sc on my first try

not every div is hard to join

[austere dock]

Exactly

[warped parrot]

This would be a great addition. Of course, make it so FA+ needs permission from SC. No, but really. This could get AEGIS more active. Because as soon as protocol incursion or lockdown is called half of the AEGIS members leave the game. And for the ore and battery part, they could be awarded with credits or other something else. And if they do it like 1000000000 times they get a medal.

[proven quail]

No

[fervent fog]

theres been people who joined sc at 11 or 12

[austere dock]

Did you not read all the other claims before writing this?

[vernal spear]

Just commit join div

[vernal spear]

yea

Joining div can be very ez

Like STHD or MDF

And SC

[fervent fog]

issue is staying in a div not joining one

[proven quail]

It both

[fervent fog]

no

i see sc tryouts happen

and unless you're completely brain dead

you would be able to join the academy at a minimum

[proven quail]

I'm not dense or brain dead at all and joining Division are not easy to join and I'm not the only who says Divisions aren't easy to join if you took a look at one of the surveys the Chairman has made which was about why people have been divisionless for long despite the fact there are many divisions to join or if they're were in a division why have they been divisionless for a long time you will see that most peoples comments were because they failed the apps or tryouts since they're too difficult or because of divisional quotas, There's even one comment on the comments that pointed out many things about why most divisionless aren't even in a divisions. Of course STHD and MDF wouldn't be too hard to join since you just need some basic knowledge and to be good at combat, compared to the ARD and STHD apps the STHD apps aren't too difficult. If 11 or 12 years olds got into SC then they must either be smart as hell to be able to do so. Right now there are 246 people in divisions and a total of 3510 AEGIS Personnel so 3510 - 246 = 3264 people that are divisionless, If divisions are so easy to join and to stay in I would expect a lot more AEGIS Personnel to be in divisions.

[lament yacht]

Bro mans wrote a whole dictionary

Wtf man did math at the end

Bro

Its eggis

Just shush

[austere dock]

It is not hard to join a division, you just need to commit and try harder

If you can't do that, then you don't deserve the additional duties

[proven quail]

It is hard to join a division I but in the commitment in my second division app and I still did not get in. If a person has spent all their time try to rank up in AEGIS then they should deserve more duties.

[austere dock]

No they shouldn't, experience doesn't equal competence

That's why AOA exsists

[proven quail]

When you become SO+ you have permissions to host BAT's and when you become FA+ you have permission to host a Patrol. If AEGIS Personnel are ranking by doing tasks like Guarding the border, booths or host BAT's then it shows they're capable of doing other duties and should receive more work.

[fervent fog]

those things only exist as incentives to keep people playing the game while not in a division

[austere dock]

Those are things that aren't that hard to do

[grave kite]

Btw a majority of that number for aegis is initiate alts or people who forgot about the game while pending the group

[proven quail]

I added all people that were SO+ though

[grave kite]

Ah

Nvm then

Still, a lot of those are prob people who don't play anymore

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[proven quail]

true

[proven quail]

It is my first language

[shrewd radish]

Question, do you think divisons are hard to join because you’ve tested it yourself or are you going off other people’s word.

Because time and time again I got told this division was hard this other one was hard, etc.

Yet when I tried to join one it wasn’t nearly as hard. I researched each question in the guidelines and divisonal information and tried my best.

hi

[proven quail]

I've tested it out myself

[terse bloom]

God damn

[spark lion]

Nothing in this world gets handed to ya i get this is a roblox game and you could possibly spend your time doing something else. But ya gotta actually put effort into what you want.

[shrewd radish]

exactly ty grief

[spark lion]

👍

[lament yacht]

Grief with the life advice

[lament yacht]

Ard exists, merc exist

[lament yacht]

Life advice moment

[proven quail]

I am not having an Issue and I'm not the only who agrees with the fact that Divisions are to join hard and stay in. If Divisions were so easy to join I would be in ARD right now and they would more than 246 people in divisions. Would you not think an FA+ that has been doing same jobs over and over again would be capable of doing more jobs? An AEGIS Personnel should not just have to join a division just to get some extra work to do, I'm not saying they shouldn't join a division if they want more work to do but that shouldn't be the only reason. If they were more things for Non-Divisions to do then this will increase their Active and motivation to play the game if not then there will be less AEGIS Personnel in-game and hardly anyone to defend the border. Why do you think there was 12 AEGIS Personnel in-game and a shout had to be made because of that?

[fervent fog]

💀

[lament yacht]

Sure you may not be the only one who agree with the fact that divisions are hard to join. They aren’t suppose to be easy, even now people are getting exiled for things like incompetency. If they lowered the overall difficulty to join a division it’ll be a shitshow. The entire point of people who want to join divisions is to have different/more duties. You’re saying that shouldn’t be the only reason, then what other reasons except inspirational ones? On top of that, FA+ could host patrols, which actually is a pretty good incentive to get FA. There’s already enough duties for divisionless to do. Especially these days since large raids are getting more and more common. Even if theres no raid, people still play the game. For example there is a game called paper please, which stripped down to the core is basically booths. Some might find booth boring, but I’ve seen JO+ actually fight for the 2 positions (not literally, but with words) inside booths. Sure it might increase activity slightly if you add more duties. But then what? Most divisionless do not have dews, and most raiders have titanium and multiple dews. These divisionless won’t do shit against the raiders. But by increasing divisionless activity, that also decreases incentives to join a division. I would argue a divisional is much more valuable then even 3 divisionals. Since while divisionless might form a front line defence on roof, the moment they breach through it (which is very easy) and get inside, divisionless can’t do shit. Divisionless can’t go to coolant, reactor, prison etc. Increasing amount of divisionless won’t increase defence. This is cause the 2 main choke points to enter the facility is caves and rdm. RDM exit is just a single hallway which raiders could easily snipe any aegis that come through. Operatives are also incredibly lazy in general. For example during lockdown, you could clearly hear raiders on cliffs fighting other divisionals and could even easily see them. What does operatives do?

They do nothing, they just sit on the right side of roof, basically only 1% of divisionless operatives actually go to cliffs to fight. When raiders capture cliffs, it’s basically game over for roof. The raiders have easy cover while there is basically cover on roof. Sure, the vtol exists, the theres no way to shoot out of it or around it in a way that covers most of cliffs. The elevator block is a tiny space and if a bunch of people gather there accidentally tk is bound to happen. I’ve tried once to get these other divisionless to be helpful. Do you know what they say? They say they’re already doing enough, yet they have 0 kills. I would argue that divisionless need less duties and give them some kind of incentive to be useful and push the front lines forward, for example tell like half of operatives to go to cliffs, FA+ to rdm or caves. Not stealing duties from divisionals. Some ard members are already annoyed that AED would steal some of their duties. Divisionals will definitively be more mad if EVERY, SINGLE DIVISIONLESS, could do their duties which was suppose to be exclusive.

And if your having so much difficulty getting into a division, thats just skill issue. They may be hard for you, but they could be easy for others. Hard and easy are subjective. For example your average roblox player can’t even do a 4 stud wrap, while 90% of people inside the obby community could do a 11+ stud wrap. If you having issues with not passing applications, just learn how to write paragraphs/essays better. If your having issue with combative tryout, just practice your combat skills inside the game by defending.

[round birch]

why we writing novels frfr

[proven quail]

@lament yacht 1: I'm not saying Divisions easy should be easy to join and if they were then people could possibly join SC and AIA to abuse Admin/Mod and I'm not disagreeing with the fact the point of Divisions is to give unique duties for people to do. You can argue the fact that when you become FA+ you're allowed to do petrols but that's only just one duty which isn't much at all, there's hardly anything for Divisionless to do. Plus the same can be said for some divisions that hardly have any gamepasses like ARD for example, most ARD are f2p and yet with their high damaging revolver they receive by joining they still have trouble dealing with p2w raiders with 5SS users with no skill at all.

2: Giving Divisionless more duites would not ruined the point or not encourage people to join a division unless it is the case that the duties are similar or the same other divisions are doing and this would increase divisionless activity and make the game more fun. Some people might want join divisions for weapons they receive or to be able to do things that divisionless wouldn't normally be able to do like going outside the border. You can't just say having more divisionless in-game wouldn't increase defensive just because divisionless can not go to most places in the facility, it will technically still increase the defensive on the roof (You could at least say it wouldn't increase defensive as much). If Operatives are saying they are already doing what they are meant to and even when they have 0 kills then it is either the case that they keep on getting killed by p2w raiders.

3: If me or other divisionless are having so much difficulty trying to join a division then that's not simply skill issue it's just how some apps and tryouts are. All of you are saying divisions are such breeze to join while they're not, if they were so easy to join I would be in a division at this point. I've been playing DOD for a couple of months now and even so I still have skill issue in combat and explain to me how a f2p is meant to get better at combat when they keep on getting killed by p2w raiders every time and in unfair combat in trainings as well when they get killed within one second by a Divisionless or Divisional AEGIS Personnel with DEW's?

[round birch]

BRO

include tdlr pls

[tired fog]

why is there so many paragraphs

LOL

[round birch]

IKR

Holy fuck

man this isnt like a collage assignment

no need for the 1000 word paragraphs

[tired fog]

COOL

PLEASE DO NOT SEND A PARAGRAPH

also sending them for a task would make them have less people protecting the border I think

unless it has a cap

[round birch]

cooldabam is typing

[lethal bluff]

literally apply for a division it aint hard 💀

i spent 15 minutes on my mdf application, and got accepted in within 2 days

hardly tried on the tryout either

[lament yacht]

it isnt hard

@proven quail 1: Patrols are not the only extra duties FA+ could do, its just the one I mentioned as a example. They could do also do bins. Sure, technically O+ could also do bins but most sc wouldn’t do that unless theres no FA+ online which is almost impossible. You keep on saying there’s hardly anything for divisionless to do. Let me name some: Booths, Lanes, Hosting BAT, Cohosting BAT, Hosting Patrol, roof, cliffs, caves, rdm, posting at most black line. Does that sound like not a lot to you? And most divisionless only gets online an hour a day, 30 min per duty state. Obviously ard revolver and p90 wont do shit against p2w raiders. Ard arent a main combative divisions. Thats why combative divisions like mdf, sthd, pksf exist. Some raiders already complain about how mdf rifle is overpowered (its not), sthd have a sniper that could one shot headshot, pksf ofc have the shield. Theres a reason why combative divisions, or at least some part of it are allowed to assist other divisions. Ard arent suppose to go against the raiders themselves. Hell, come combative even complain about ard because how much armor they got when using bio. The revolver was never designed for assault/combat. It is mainly used to 1 shot non compliant subjects, aegis, or civilians at gate since normally they don’t have lots of armor like titanium. For example if a raider is camping at a certain location around a corner, normally a pksf could tank a 5ss if they arent right in front of the raider.

2: You’re arguing that giving divisionless more duties wouldn’t ruin/not encourage people to join division unless it is similar/same to other div duty. Have you forgotten about the suggestion made in this thread/whatever in the first place? “Where Operative+ can do retrieval mission where they will sneak into a structure to steal batteries/ores”. That’s literally part of ard duties. Some divisions don’t even have as much duties as divisionless or freedom. For example, STHD/MDF. They have patrols (albeit different from divisionless ones). They could go to tls, tot, etc, assist other divisions like ard. Thats basically it, at least for known duties. SC is just moderating the border, calling protocol, posting at lanes, etc. I’ve dmed some SC before and they found the duties boring and only joined to reach a high rank (I won’t reveal who). You may argue that divisions have classified duties/duties others don’t know. Yes but theres no way for applicants to know unless they join the division so its not these classified duties that are giving people incentive to join. And if divisionless have as much/more duties, divisionless basically just becomes a choice of whether you want to choose to do these duties or another from other divisions. Except that divisionless have no quota. And that no quota is enough for most people to stay divisionless. They don’t lose anything from that, they still have plenty to do. Why would they join a division when they have as much duty as a divisionless and they dont even have quota? Also, just cause they have 0 kills isn’t just cause of p2w raiders. Divisionals sometimes memes when defending caves by only using p226 and no titanium. And you know what happened? 2 divisionals using p226 beat a raider with titanium.

3: If you’re having difficulty trying to join, that is skill issue and not how the tryouts/apps are. Skill issue literally means lack of skills in some areas. If you’re failing applications, you don’t have enough writing skills or creativity. If your failing combat tryout, you simply do not have enough skill in combat, at least using this game’s combat system. How does getting killed by p2w raiders relate to being hard to join divisions? Pretty sure in tryouts both side are using the same weapons like in standard trainings. Its not like if one person trying out with titanium and 5ss, and the other doesn’t, the host of the tryout wont just let the person use the 5ss and titanium, they would be using same weapon and same armor.

[tired fog]

Bro

💀

@lament yacht @round birch

LMAO

[lethal bluff]

come on guys no need to write a paragraph for this

[austere dock]

Essay*

[lament yacht]

Cant be bothered double checking for grammar on discord

[fervent fog]

touch grass and join sc

[lament yacht]

Even if for some stupid reason divisions allow people to use things like 5ss i could still argue how its skill based, cant rly bothered to make another paragraph today

If he’s going to reply ill make one tmr

[fervent fog]

sansboy putting more effort into arguing with people than joining a div

[lament yacht]

Tbh he could probably pass like scpa or aast app with that

[fervent fog]

he can pass scpa

sc tryout unless you are terribly incompetent

you should get in

[lament yacht]

Sc boring

[fervent fog]

we dont tell people that until they're in scpa

and have no choice but to continue

[lament yacht]

True lol

[lament yacht]

Not really

You could leave any academy at any point

Unless you got accepted into the div

[fervent fog]

you can't complain about being divisionless

if you leave the academy

and usually its pretty fast assuming not every mentor is interning

[lament yacht]

“Assuming”

[fervent fog]

when i was in scpa

[lament yacht]

dm

[fervent fog]

there was like only 2 mentors who were not interning

[lament yacht]

Yea

[fervent fog]

and could actually do scpa stuff

[proven quail]

@lament yacht 1: Most Operative+ aren't even going to small duties like Lines are hardly anything compared to other duties, roof cliffs, caves and sewers are just basically defending the border plus doing same duties over and over again can get repetitive and annoying which will make someone to do less. ARD maybe not be a combative division but that doesn't change the fact that most ARD are f2p and even though they are a none combative division they still deal with a lot of raiders trying to get into coolant and they are the only division so far that can defend and have access to the coolant, not even combative division can't go in there. Also considering 5SS penetrates PKSF shields I highly doubt a f2p PKSF would survive even with their 175 armour or in most cases.

2. Let me point out the fact that I did mention that the suggestion would ruin the point of ARD and Mercs a bit and there is plenty of ways applicants can know what jobs divisions do by asking other people and divisionals and examining them in-game or by simply checking #➗divisional-information . Some divisional duties are basically same as regular divisionless duties but with different twists like MDF's and STHD's duties and again people might want to join divisions for the weapons they receive or other things and some duties other divisions do are unique. Quotas are one of the main reasons why some people who were in divisions aren't even in divisions now because they have a thing called a life to manage or why people aren't going to join a division. So what if it was case that 2 Divisionals were able to kill a raider with titanium armour by only using P226? That doesn't technically mean the other operative weren't doing their job.

3: I'm not trying to say all division apps are hard to do because if I'm going to be honest the STHD apps don't look too difficult but some apps and tryouts are made to be difficult so it not my skill issue. Also in custom trainings the person hosting it might add unfair 1v1 or 2v2 etc and as the name states you're allowed to use gamepass weapons and items. Basically what I'm trying was how can a f2p divisionless learn how to defend themselves aganist a p2w raider if they die within second of combat by a p2w AEGIS Personnel.

[austere dock]

Bruh why everyone writing book reports?

[austere dock]

Also some parts are of your argument are inaccurate

As a f2p non-divisional at one point, I've been able to win raider engagements

It's not impossible

[lament yacht]

i wouldnt say being f2p has anything to do with this

but something could be done

[austere dock]

Yeah

[lament yacht]

Don’t have time for a full one right now so Ill make a short one
@proven quail 1: There isn’t such things as “small” duties or big ones. Yes ard isn’t a combative division and most are f2p. And are you really sure, like REALLY SURE that only ard could access and defend coolant? I was a former ard and I know thats not true. Sure pksf base armor excluding the shield is 175. But fun fact: light kev exist and could be bought in shop for only credits. A fully loaded pksf with shield, and light kev could defeat a 5ss raider. And I don’t get why your talking about f2p or p2w.

2. People don’t join a division only for their weapons. AIA weapons suck, sc weapon suck, ard weapon does nothing in real combat, sthd lrp have a equivalent thats only slightly worse and could be bought for scraps, mdf weapon could get outmatched by probably even 3c. The quota far outweighs only joining a division for weapon. Divisionals quota doesn’t require you to be online 24/7. I explained in one of me previous replies why operatives most of the time doesn’t help #1010632309889843250 message. I brought up how 2 divisionals beat a raider with titanium as a example how its not impossible to beat p2w raiders as f2p.
3. Just cause its incredibly difficult doesnt mean you dont have skill issue in that place. That simply means you do not have enough skill in that area to join that division. Sure you may be above average in terms of combat or whatever, but its not enough to join the div.
   Trainings host may add unfair combat in custom trainings? How does that relates to defending against raiders? Combat section is only worth 1 point, would you really get annoyed over 1 point because you lost in a unfair combat which was clearly stated in the training shout? And wdym by how can a f2p divisionless learn how to defend against p2w? Obviously a single f2p wont win against a p2w, but theres something called groups. And if the p2w have enough skill like how I mentioned 2 divisionals beat a titanium raider they could win

[tired fog]

🤓

[fervent fog]

fr

[tired fog]

Lol

[fervent fog]

bro im half convinced they target pksf

i rarely hear of sthd or mdf getting shot

but when it comes to PKSF, I can wait on the roof for 6 minutes until I see a operative dumping their entire magazine into a PKSF

[lament yacht]

In theory sthd should be targeted more then pksf accidentally cause they most of the time are completely black which could be mistaken for a raider. But pksf is glowing while with easily visible shield yet they get shot at more by aegis.

[vernal spear]

Sthd got that camouflage

Operatives in general make my brain explode

[lament yacht]

on the behalf of operatives i apologize

[lament yacht]

because they dont see STHD because they are almost always full black and MDF is quite obvious in my opinion at least but honestly PKSF is the most obvious I dont know why people shoot at them its so obvious its AEGIS

[round birch]

holy fuck man

[austere dock]

That's because you aren't ever outside of the border

MDF, STHD, and PKSF get shot all the time

But from my experience, STHD, MDF, and Mercs get shot the most

[fervent fog]

i sometime go on roof

and the amount of times pksf get shot is absurd

[proven quail]

@lament yacht 1: Even if with the 275 armour PKSF receive by wearing Light Kevlar I highly doubt they will be able to survive a 5SS raider. Also if you're wondering why I'm mention f2p and p2w it's about your earlier response about "Most divisionless do not have dews, and most raiders have titanium and multiple dews. These divisionless won’t do shit against the raiders" that's what I was responding to and said "ARD are f2p and yet with their high damaging revolver they receive by joining they still have trouble dealing with p2w raiders with 5SS users with no skill at all".

2: You saying SC weapons suck is not true, SC's TS-12 has the highest Armour penetration of any divisional weapon in the game. ARD's M412 Rex can become a good weapon used in combat, it deals a lot of damage with good armour penetration and it can even one shot if aimed at the head. While you can argue the fact that every AEGIS Personnel can buy the L11 which is a slightly stronger than STHD's LRP but in order for the person to get the weapon they would need to at least spend 4 hours in-game and if they happen to disconnect from the game then they lose all their tickets meaning people who are doing a 5 hour+ duty state can only get the weapon. Divisional quota's may not require you to be online 24/7 but they still require you to be very active which is one reason why people won't join divisions or will a leave division due to life reasons or other things to manage. It may not be impossible to beat p2w raiders but it's generally quite difficult.

3. How does combat trainings related to defending against raiders you ask? Trainings exist so they can help players get better at certain parts of game which is why they are called trainings to begin with. Combat trainings are meant to help AEGIS defend themselves and border against raiders. Now explain how is an AEGIS Personnel meant to get better at combat by just defending if they constantly keep on getting killed by p2w raiders or in trainings in unfair 1v1 if they get one shot by a p2w AEGIS Personnel? That the neat the part they don't. It true that AEGIS can go in groups to deal with raiders but I've seen some p2w raider actually get pass groups of AEGIS Personnel.

[austere dock]

My point still stands

[lament yacht]

@proven quail 1: Yes, PKSF will be able to survive a 5ss raider if they have light kev on and shield on. I've seen a pksf survive a 5ss shot before since he was streaming inside a vc (not this one). I mentioned how f2p operatives doesn't do much against p2w because you mentioned earlier that increasing more duties will increase divisionless activities which will help with defending the border. Your even quoting yourself here saying f2p ARD have trouble dealing with p2w raiders even with their revolver, yet in your next point you argue that the revolver is a good combat weapon. Your contradicting yourself.
2: Sure, SC shotgun have highest armour penetration but its still not a good weapon. SC shotgun deals only around 63 damage per shot at point blank against someone with titanium (at least according to the combat training game) Which means it takes 2 shot to kill a titanium raider and 3 shot to kill a raider who also have +70 health from gamepasses. While this may seem good a raider could easily kill the sc between the shots of the shotgun due to its firerate. They probably even nerfed it since I once asked a sc if the shotgun is good and they responding with it suck. Even if a SC have a really good gun, it wouldn't be much of a problem for raiders. SC isn't a combative division. During protocol lockdown sc would probably be standing at the door cuffing people. If a raider somehow breach through the elevator the sc wouldn't be prepared for the raider. During incursion the raider probably won't even encounter the sc since he'll go directly to tower/hangar/ard sector. I never said in my previous response that the ard weapon is bad, but it wont do much against raiders camping with 5ss. Divisional quota isn't that bad either, at most you have to be online an hour per day, thats it. Some divisions have even lower quota. If people have life problems, they shouldn't even be putting efforts inside a roblox game.

If its a temporary thing like a big exam coming up, they could always file a inactivity notice.
3: I don't completely agree of how all trainings exist to get better at certain parts in this game. Custom training exists, and they sometimes incorporate things that is completely unnecessary to get good at this game, like bullrush and parkour. These trainings are hosted for fun. There obviously isn't a specific way for someone to get good at combat. Its basically the same like other combat games, have better aim and reflexes, hit your shots, etc. Yes obviously theres been many cases of a single p2w raider going through a entire group of aegis personnel. But if you replay the scenes when these happens more then 50% of aegis killed are from accidental friendly fire. Ive seen footages of raiders getting past like 15 aegis in a group by simply jumping around and dodging without firing a single bullet.

Also your argument is getting off topic, in your last response you didn't mention a single thing about why divisionless should have more duties, how it wouldn't effect divisions, etc.

[fervent fog]

what the fuck is going on

[tired fog]

Divisionless just trying to get attention I guess

[vernal spear]

fr they speaking whole essays

[vernal spear]

wtf does this have to do with a new game mode lol

[fervent fog]

this chat started off with sansboy wanting to do divisional stuff as a divisionless

then ended up with him venting the fact that he's incapable of joining a division

[lament yacht]

yep

[vernal spear]

wow

[fervent fog]

and then it became him and some other divisionless practicing their english exam

by writing essay's worth of arguments

[vernal spear]

lol ik

full on essay

[lament yacht]

dont lump me up with them

[lament yacht]

Nah I just get bored sometimes and it only takes like 20 min to write one. He first started writing these huge paragraphs so i just decided to write it back

[lethal bluff]

only 20 minutes

[proven quail]

1: @lament yacht PKSF should not survive a 5SS even with light Kevlar on and let me point out the fact 5SS bypasses PKSF shields I've seen a video of a raider 1 shooting a PKSF with titanium armour with 5SS and it wasn't even a headshot either. Yes I did say that f2p ARD having trouble dealing with p2w raiders even with their M412 REX and also pointing out the fact how good M412 Rex but ARD still have trouble dealing with p2w raiders even with or without the Rex.

2: The cooldown between shots for TS-12 is 2 seconds while this can leave them vulnerable it won't leave them vulnerable for too long, If you manage to get a headshot with the weapon then you can kill a raider with one hit and the weapon can be helpful if SC are doing bins. I even see many saying it a good weapon. They may not be a combative division but they still receive a good weapon. Some divisions like AIA and SC require you to be very active so I highly doubt you need to at least spend a hour a day when being in those divisions.

3: Yeah this really is starting to get off-topic.

@lament yacht I'm not trying to say division should lower their standards but some apps and tryouts are meant to be difficult to join like AIA or SC so it doesn't only reflect on me. FA+ already are given a big duty which are petrols you can argue the fact that petrols is justing a group of AEGIS Personnel and going to one area and staying there for a couple of minutes but there's some actually leadership involved when doing these petrols and you also must show good example on how you should act on petrol. If your main reason for saying why Non-Divisional should not receive more things to do just because one single rank did something you hate the most doesn't mean other ranks shouldn't why do you think the minimal rank to join a division is SO+ (EO+ for AIA)? But if you're talking about every Operative (SO, EO, VO) then just no, SO+ aren't as stupid as you say they are most of the time I see them doing their jobs and not randomly killing people in the wasteland or even shooting at PKSF. And from my experience I generally see MDF and STHD get shot at a lot more than PKSF.

[proven quail]

More like 5-10 minutes but amazing essay

[vernal spear]

💀

this person is not real

[lament yacht]

Ill keep this short
@proven quail 1: like Tyon pointed out 5ss does not bypass pksf shield.
2: Nobody fucking joins sc for the shotgun
3: you didnt counter any arguments I made about not adding duties in the last one I made about it

[grave kite]

Btw just wanna add my input, ARD should struggle against people who bought dews, no one should be given a free weapon that can match their stats

Yah we struggle with a good gun, but that’s how it should be

[lament yacht]

Yea I’m not reading that

pksf should be able to survive it

They are the most developed from my knowledge in dod

[lament yacht]

huh?

that makes zero sense

why should they not survive

honestly

aren't PKSF meant to be the tanks of AEGIS

i have

no

most do

but some dont

yeah if the 5ss user is redsama

honestly i dont know how you can be that dogshit

sthd

yeah he only uses 5ss

i feel like he would be pretty decent if he used more then the 5ss

and the 1s

not the best but better

[proven quail]

No, I'm not saying it should buffed I'm saying I just don't believe it should be possible for PKSF to be able to survive a 5SS shot

And yeah Redsama really is a 5SS main

[azure crest]

bruh is this ontopic

[proven quail]

Every checked the balance 5SS thread?

[lament yacht]

honestly it changed because sans was ranting because he cant get into divisions

[azure crest]

Yeah but this isn't the balance 5ss thread

[lament yacht]

honestly

it keeps changing because sans keeps bringing up interesting points that make no sense

[proven quail]

Ok and?

[grave kite]

Intellectual

[lament yacht]

^

[azure crest]

they went overkill tho

[lament yacht]

true

[grave kite]

All I’ve heard is add recoil back

[azure crest]

13k robux

[grave kite]

Idk

I don’t have it

That’s just what I’ve seen

[proven quail]

5ss hardly requires any skill to use that's the main issue

[azure crest]

its not like any of the dews require skill tho

[grave kite]

Same with nearly any dew except maybe 1s and possibly 3c

4HM doesn’t need any skill really

Spray and pray

Reload, switch, switch back

[proven quail]

Back then it did now it doesn't

[grave kite]

I like it though

The 4HM ^

Just more ammo

[proven quail]

How does DEW-2R and 4HM not require any skill to use? If you just shot all over the place with 4HM then you're mostly going to miss your shots.

[azure crest]

Isn't that just aim?

You still have to aim with the 5ss

It's just a shotgun

[grave kite]

You don’t need much skill, aiming all over the place is stupidity, not a lack of skill

[proven quail]

When I meant be shooting all over the place I mean not shooting your target properly.

[azure crest]

We can all agree 5ss is overpowered. But it's 13k robux so if you buy it it's very sad

[lament yacht]

O's are just so dumb

i am apologize on behalf of the O's

that just kills everything that moves

[proven quail]

5SS is just point and click. It was also mainly used back for elevator camping which was a huge problem back then. F2P AEGIS or raiders won't be able to anything against a 5SS user, they don't have anything to counteract them at all and they most likely won't have a chance to shot back since they get killed within one shot. Almost every other weapon in DOD actually requires some skill to use.

You don't need any skill to wield it that's the issue.

[round birch]

point and click??? a shotgun is point and click???

no way whattt????

[round birch]

just sounds like a f2p salty guy who dies too much

[proven quail]

Go say that to the other people who think the same

[round birch]

we have to calculate x3+y3=z3 per shot

[round birch]

i will starting with u

[proven quail]

The balance 5SS suggestion has 81 upvotes you know.

[round birch]

we need to find the secret herbs and spices of kfc before shooting

[round birch]

81 upvotes but 100+ people calling it stupid in chat

there js no downvote button

we need to find the chemical compound of a nuclear warhead before shooting

😳

[proven quail]

100+ people? There's only 59 following the thread

[fervent fog]

he isnt

take your meds

[proven quail]

It ain't if you don't need any skill to wield the weapon

[fervent fog]

i normally agree that 5ss is a bit busted

but you're just being schizo

aim nobody spending actual money on the 5ss

and the 1s is probably the most needed of a nerf

more than 5ss at least

it should at least be nerfed for cqc

oh no sansboy is typing

[proven quail]

Other DEW weapons are fine since they require skill to use. Not saying 5SS shouldn't powerful but it should require some skill use even for a gamepass item.

[proven quail]

No I'm saying it shouldn't be possible for f2p player to be able to tank a 5SS shot in general

[fervent fog]

bro wants to nerf and buff the 5ss

his opinion is completely different in the nerf 5ss suggestion

[proven quail]

That's not what i'm trying to say

The issue with 5ss is that it hardly requires any skill to use.

I'm not suggesting anything

[vernal spear]

What are you even trying to say

[grave kite]

He doesn’t want the stats lowered, he wants the gameplay changed. It’s not a nerf per se

[round birch]

100 different opinions

no one wants a nerf

apart from f2p

[grave kite]

All I've read is about recoil

Or just "add skill"

Bypassing the pksf shield is a buff

[austere dock]

Pretty sure its supposed to do that

unless it was changed

and I remember coded demonstrating it in #🚧developer-showcase

Interesting

[lament yacht]

Join a division

[lament yacht]

FR lmao

kid thinks this is cod or sum shit

[lament yacht]

LOL we already do that basically lmao

[grave kite]

I got taken hostage once

:-:

[austere dock]

I've taken people hostage before as PKSF

[near tapir]

TLDR PLEASE.

[lament yacht]

TL;DR:
It's a lego game suggestion, either take the 1m to read it or ignore the message 🤓

[austere dock]

TL;DR:
Big words, 5 paragraph essay, waste of time to read

[vernal spear]

Fr

[proven quail]

@lament yacht I know I said I was too lazy to write you a response but I’m going to continue this on since Non-Divisionals should get more duties.

@lament yacht @lament yacht 1: The last time I checked 5ss does penetrate PKSF shields, have you not checked the development of anchor 3? (#🚧developer-showcase message) and if it was possible to post videos in here I would show of an example of RedSama killing a PKSF with Titanium Armour with one shot from a 5ss with their shield up! If the 5ss doesn’t penetrate the PKSF shield then its hit recongnition issue.

2: "Just cause its incredibly difficult doesn't mean you don't have skill issue in that place." Some divisions are meant to be hard to join (and I get that) if a person has a failed a difficult app or tryout like AIA or SC then it's not just their own "skill issue" It's just how they are. If division apps or tryouts aren’t as difficult as you guys say then many people wouldn’t be complaining and there would be many people in divisions. If I’m going to be honest you guys saying division are easy to get in and it’s just are skill issue is just a bunch of cap.

3: “Most divisionless do not have dews, and most raiders have titanium and multiple dews. These divisionless won’t do shit against the raiders.“ As far as I know Non-Divisionals aren’t the only one that complain or struggle to deal with P2W raiders I have even heard one comment about how MDF sometimes struggle to deal with P2W raiders, there was this one suggestion made by someone in MDF about how there should ways for AEGIS to deal with these raider without having to struggle so much and even mentioned that MDF also sometimes tend to struggle with them as well.

@austere dock 4: You point out how some of the duties Non-Divisonals are there to prove rather or not they can do their job correctly/they're easy to do which I half disagree with you since the minimal rank to join a division is SO+ (EO+ since you can only join AIA at that rank) and the only things SO+ can do are Defend the border, Booths and B.A.T’s but you when become FA+ you can do patrols and bins why give FA+ more duties if the duties SO+ (EO+) can do are enough to prove they can do their job correctly?

5: If you really want to more people to join divisions then divisions should be finding more ways to encourage people to join a division by doing their hellish apps and tryouts which are one of the main reason what demotivates people to join a division not by limiting the amount of things Non-Divisonals can do, ranking up isn’t even satisfying when you are a SO+ sure you can join AIA when you become EO+ but AIA isn’t really popular division and hardly anyone gets into AIA anyways, if Non-Divisionals were given less things to do then it will just cause inactivity from Non-Divisionals which would create problems and then you wouldn’t have much people joining divisions even if we were given more things to it wouldn’t make it so people wouldn’t join a division. Let me also point out the fact again that there was one time that the player count was so low that raiders easily got in the border and shout had to be made just to increase AEGIS Personnels activity.

6: You mention that Operatives are incredibly lazy however I find this to be false since I’ve seen Operatives actually do there jobs when I’m in-game which you say they don’t and just because they have zero kills isn’t evident enough to prove they were’t doing their job that’s basically like saying ARD weren’t protecting the coolant since they have zero kills, from my experience as an AEGIS Personnel up until now I have never had much trouble with Operatives or seen them being lazy which you say they are. To respond to your point here at the very close to the end: (“#1010632309889843250 message”) Sure it may be possible to beat a p2w player but doesn’t mean it’s easy.

[proven quail]

it does

I also have another video as well but I can't post it here

[lament yacht]

Bruh rly, its been like more then a month

Actually 2 months

[proven quail]

I know

But still......

[lament yacht]

LOL

[proven quail]

What would have been a better example if you got shot by one

[lament yacht]

Bruh

You could see the other pksf shield disabling and the noise

[proven quail]

alright

[lament yacht]

And would they rly have taken no damage at basically point blank if their shield isnt up

[proven quail]

Damn

Must have been removed in an update then

@lament yacht Alright I see now that 5ss doesn't penetrate PKSF shields

[vernal spear]

dawg you have kept this up for a month bro