"determined" player experience

[eternal fossil]

The "Die Holzhaxen" team has a player number 10 with a "determined" personality. I just don't know if he played with that personality in yesterday's match.

[hard torrent]

The player with the number "10" has the same ratings as any other "ordinary" player. And he was supposed to be better than the "aggressive" one. The only explanation is that the red card distorted his rating. Because it's obviously impossible that someone wrote a few lines of code incorrectly, am I right? 😉

[eternal fossil]

That's right. 🙂🙂
It's impossible that 84,000 gu stars were spent on a character that has the same rating as... before the character change.😁😁😁

[mighty cloud]

Maybe he changed the personality after that game. In the last IM game he played 100 effort so we can't be sure what is happening with this player. We will see tomorrow in the Cup if he play above 150 effort.

[cold wyvern]

Sosna, thank you for getting back to me. Yes, we'll follow up. I already had my doubts about the explanations. I don't expect it to make a difference. For example, the Motivator character doesn't contribute anything.

[lean rapids]

One player gave me this picture, I don't know what is the match and if the player is really Determind. But I never saw 200 of rating, and seeing other players with 183 or 186 in the image, I believe this player had the Determined personality when playing

[vestal wigeon]

I have a "reliable" player in one of my test teams in Beta, I have taken a screenshot of his details from the Wed league game and the Thurs IM game. I have just changed his personality to "determined" for the cup match this afternoon which kicks off at 3.00 pm GMT I will confirm what the difference is for that player once the cup games has finished.

[cold wyvern]

I have a player with an aggressiveness rating of 12.8. For a long time, he's been scoring 200 points defensively. That's a separate issue; while other players in attack and midfield with an aggressiveness rating of 12.8 are scoring 195 points, this defender is scoring 200. I keep asking myself why this is the case.

[cold wyvern]

We look forward to hearing from you about your experience.

[hard torrent]

Perhaps the goalkeeper's personality makes the difference? Guardian gives a boost to defenders' performance when he plays (+2% skill bonus for defenders in lineup)

[cold wyvern]

You're absolutely right. That's a correct observation.

[vestal wigeon]

Wednesday League Match

Thursday IM match

Todays cup match, now determined personality

[eternal fossil]

@vestal wigeon
So the determined one has a bonus of about 20%😲😲

[cold wyvern]

@vestal wigeon The 20% data you shared is a very significant figure.

@vestal wigeon I looked at your Pioneer Girls III team for analysis. There's no such player or match. Could this be a beta test?

[vestal wigeon]

Yes beta

I have a "reliable" player in one of my test teams in Beta, I have taken a screenshot of his details from the Wed league game and the Thurs IM game. I have just changed his personality to "determined" for the cup match this afternoon which kicks off at 3.00 pm GMT I will confirm what the difference is for that player once the cup games has finished.

[cold wyvern]

@vestal wigeon Let me ask you one last question. What is the player strength?

[buoyant osprey]

Important to note when observing rating is that Determined does not get any bonus for effort level 50,75,100,125 while Aggressive player does get it for 125.

Aggressive also has malus for 50-75% while nothing is happening at 100

% of how much Determined player is better exist for each point of effort from 150-> but this will not be released because of wrong assumptions and comparisons such as above. Rating can change for one reason or another happening in the match.

[cold wyvern]

Dear @buoyant osprey , we are not comparing aggressive and decisive characters. The aim here is to understand the difference between a decisive character and, for example, a player with 150 attempts, maintaining the same strength and other constant data (condition, form, etc.). Let's say the same player gets 130 when liked, 137 when ghosted (5%+), 143 when one-sided (10%+), and 155 when aggressive (20%+). We are trying to determine how many evaluations the "decisive" player would receive under these constant conditions.

@buoyant osprey Also, I believe a stable character has a variable +% benefit. You indicated you wouldn't mention this. Is there any harm in knowing this? Because we will have an opinion on this matter through our experiences. What harm could there be in knowing this without experiencing it?

[cold wyvern]

@vestal wigeon Can you share the data and the player's power rating from today's league match?

[vestal wigeon]

I did not play him.

Just to clarify, the info I gave was to show that your statement "Sosna, thank you for getting back to me. Yes, we'll follow up. I already had my doubts about the explanations. I don't expect it to make a difference. For example, the Motivator character doesn't contribute anything." was incorrect. I was showing you that there is a difference between a regular personality and a determined personality player. There is no information for you to try any analyse this and this wasn't my purpose, it was purely to show you that there is a difference.

[cold wyvern]

I understand. I think we'll form an opinion through experience. We'll wait and I'll analyze the advantages and disadvantages in the new season. Thank you.

@buoyant osprey @vestal wigeon My only goal is to access information, and if that information shouldn't be known, I respect that. In principle, acquiring, evaluating, analyzing, and sharing information is something I enjoy. I have no other purpose.

[vestal wigeon]

It's not a problem, information is knowledge and power in most aspects of life.

If you would have asked for a detailed analysis I would have not replied to that post as I don't have any. I replied to the post because I was able to show you the difference between the two with an example of one individual player. The actual match rating figure is irrelevant, the important part was the increase between the two personalities under the same match conditions. For example I think I had only 5 personalities playing, this would give you a misleading actual match rating for the player when comparing it to a player when all situations are at their premium.

[cold wyvern]

@vestal wigeon I understand that the number of different characters we field in a match, player strengths, formations, fitness, form, fitness, and morale are all variables that can alter the outcome of the match, and that giving a numerical estimate reinforces the error. I have attempted to arrive at a measure by assuming that these variables are constant between two players being compared. That's all.

[mighty cloud]

Die Holzhaxen yesterday played his Determined player in league. He is 11.4Ø with absolute rating of 171. For comparation his Spirited 11.4Ø defender had absolute rating of 157 (including bonus from guardian GK). His 11.6Ø Phantom had AR 150. Unfortunately there was no aggressive or inflexible player in line up to make comparation.

[cold wyvern]

I will analyze the data and share it with you when the new season begins. This analysis is important for developing the team plan.

[hard torrent]

So...
I have the first data on a player with the "Determined" personality type.
No. 66
This is "Ultimate Talent."
Previous personality type: "Aggressive."

For comparison, I used two league matches; both were played with 185% effort.

Player details (the same in the two analyzed matches):
Strength: 12.8
Experience: 120/120
Morale: 100/100
Form: 120/120
Endurance: 120/120
Energy: ~119/120
Understanding and applying the manager's excellent tactics in the match (hidden parameter): 35/100

When the player had the "Aggressive" personality type, his rating was 196. Now, with the "Determined" personality type, he has a rating of 200.
4 points more.

Now I understand why no one wanted to give a clear answer as to how much better a "determined" alignment is than an "aggressive" one.

The answer is: 4 points maximum.

Thank you, now I feel unstoppable.
😉

[wooden needle]

I changed a 11.8 strength Phantom (that turned out to not be a personality that does a lot) into Determined instead.
As a Phantom he got a rating of 152.
In the first match, at home, as Determined, playing at 185%, he got a rating of 173.
In the next match, this time playing away, still at 185%, he had a rating of 144! So no bonus added for some reason - I guess a bug.
Yesterday in the IM, at home, I tried playing at 175%, and he then got a rating of 170.

So, besides a possible away bug, then I'm at least satisfied with what I got compared to the Phantom personality.

[buoyant osprey]

I can't wait for day this strength ratio becomes an irrelevant value. It is a value which does more harm than good due its appearance, because when this is high value together let's say with 55-60% sector rating then people assume dominance is guaranteed and when it is not the case then it is bad engine. I'm following couple of people and their focus on this and unhappiness with results comes after one fail to win a match, despite having a winning streak of many matches before that.

As for your situation hamselv, please observe more than one match away, and then if it's constant drop, please report it through tickets.

[wooden needle]

Already one time is one too many, so I don't think it's good to wait until my next away match and discover that my offense is again much weaker than it should. If it's a bug, then I would think that other people will be seeing the same, so hopefully we'll soon hear about it here, instead of waiting a week and potentially losing the next match.

[buoyant osprey]

As far as i know you're the only one right now who observed it.
In any case it cannot be fixed right away and needs more matches before it's taken by dev. + vacations are still going on.

When we were doing simulations for matches, ratings could go down depending what we were setting up. In some cases if i remember properly playing at max effort against weaker opponent shown some increase in surprising results. But i can't be 100% on that i observed hundreds of simulations, of 50 to 500 matches

[wooden needle]

That fits with what I see as well. I don't think it should be like that though.

Anyway, if nothing else, then for future reference, it's my player with number 10 here.

[cold wyvern]

My purpose in starting this thread was to get ideas on what a decisive character could bring to our team.

Contributing to the team doesn't mean "winning games".

For example, the "ghost" character only provides a 5% evaluation contribution compared to other characters without bonuses.

If the leader character receives 140 ratings with the same power and stats, a similar player character acting as a ghost will receive 140 x 5% = 147 ratings.

I mentioned that the motivator character doesn't need to be on the court during the match. This means that a motivator player who isn't on the court can still have a motivating effect during the game. Therefore, they don't have to be on the court. For example, if I keep a motivator on the bench and use a similar one-way player, they will get a 10% higher rating.

In many examples I've seen, a determined character would have a 185% higher score than an aggressive player, and I think that in similar gameplay, a determined player would have about 3% more data points.

I can't try changing the character because I don't have the right to. However, my expectation is to make one 12.8 motivator player into a determined one in the new season. Currently, the motivator player gets 170-171 ratings. My guess is that after becoming determined, it will get 206 ratings. In the same position, a 12.8 aggressive player gets 199-200 ratings. That will be the difference.

According to my calculations, my team currently receives a maximum post-match overall rating of 173-175. After adding 2 more points, I expect the overall rating to be between 178-180.

I don't want to be misunderstood. My aim is to calculate where I can improve my data. After all, even if I get a general rating of 180 in my league, I can still lose matches against teams with general ratings of 150-160. The point isn't to discuss the match result. It's to analyze how the new character will affect our team's data.

Actually, the teams are debating how the character distribution of the 11 players should be during the match. I have some ideas in mind and I'll see by trying them out. How much of a winner can we be?

[drifting tulip]

@buoyant osprey this above is a home league match after determined switch

This is a home game before the switch (aggressive personality)

Home cup match post switch

Not being biased, here is an away IM post switch

but my aggresives would never be sub 180

Seems like something isnt working right to me, just not all the time

[wooden needle]

Thanks for joining in, since apparently they don't care when only one person tells them that something isn't working.

[buoyant osprey]

In this case one situation is not automatically a confirmation of a bug.
It is possible it's a bug, but we can't jump on it right away as you may want, not that we don't care, but it's more of a standard procedure running for years.

Rating could be normal or how it works as it may be impacted by something, maybe you lack some bonuses when playing away compared to home, maybe opponent has something which impacts your rating. Maybe against different line up or tactic player gets certain lower rating?

Furthermore, no dev is available during this time. One such bug certainly will not activate emergency duty.

More examples we have the better, make sure you report it through tickets.

I briefly looked two matches you shared and i see you have away bonus of 20% + 10% while at home you have 25% home advantage bonus + 10% general home advantage bonus among other things opponent has.
This player could've been having different constitution when two matches are compared, performed less than in another match and so on.
Not saying it is this but it can be the reason.

[wooden needle]

My other striker is 195 at home, and 195 away. So no difference.
You can also look at my charismatic defender - a personality with no bonus, that also has a strength of 11.8. He had 147 at home, and 145 away. So my striker suddenly having 144, means no bonus as far as I can see, and there is definitely nothing that explains a drop from 173 to 144 either way.
Something is wrong, and hopefully it will be found a fixed soon. People have paid 84.000 stars to have this personality available, so it's pretty bad that it's not always working.

[hard torrent]

@buoyant osprey Today I played an away match with my new player.

"Strength: 12.8
Experience: 120/120
Morale: 100/100
Form: ~119/120
Endurance: 120/120
Energy: 120/120"

Character: Determined

AWAY match rating: 183.

He previously had a rating of 200 in a HOME match.

"[...The rating could be normal, or how it works as it may be impacted by something. Maybe you lack some bonuses when playing away compared to home, maybe the opponent has something that impacts your rating. Maybe against a different lineup or tactic, the player gets a certain lower rating? ...]"

Look, I understand. You have to write something like that. But I've never encountered anything like this. Ratings can be distorted during a player substitution or when someone on your team receives a red card. I've never had a situation where an opponent comes up with a brilliant tactic and a wonderful formation that lowers my players' ratings. Never.

In my opinion, you're disrespecting players who support the game and buy upgrades that don't work as promised.

When the dev returns to work, please suggest he check the character description. I assume that when introducing the new one, instead of rewriting everything, he copied the "spirited" character, added a few lines from the "aggressive" character, and... in his workload, he forgot to delete the one line that disabled this bonus in away matches. 😉

[drifting tulip]

todays away match, this is a huge drop from the over 200 rating Ive showed earlier

I am also suggesting this bug has nothing to do with home/away, Ive showed an away match rating at 202, and a home rating at 161.

[drifting tulip]

Are you suggesting we add tickets now or have the issue ignored ?
I would also caution the way you come across in this statement it sounds like insufficient testing of a new feature, that to be fair cost a lot of real money. Coupled with its low priority since we now have your money. Im not trying to sound angry but it doesnt sound great.

[lean rapids]

In my 1st match with a 12.8 determined player, I got 202 rating in an away match. So, it doesn't seem to be an home/away issue, as you said @drifting tulip

[wooden needle]

The home/away thing was just my theory, since that's the difference I first noticed between when it activated for me, and when it didn't. I played at home today and I did get a bonus again. From the other reports here though, then it's clearly something else.

[mighty cloud]

According to this info only playing with effort less then 150% should not activating the bonus. Anything else is a bug. If there is another reason why bonus is not activating then players had to know that before they spend so much stars.

[buoyant osprey]

I will retreat from commenting further on, i thought i was more than open in how things are working when it comes to bugs.

Not once i claimed there wasn't a bug.

Some of you appear to look for anything just to twist towards a direction where we are bad.

I will not comment further, report bugs or other issues through tickets. Thank you very much!

[drifting tulip]

I'm not trying to shame you or stop your involvement, you were being honest with us and that's appreciated. Your the customer facing individual and your left with terrible answers from above you/behind the scenes. You should highlight back to them the unsatisfactory situation of selling unready features, and then telling your customers making them work as advertised is not a priority.

Imagine your ISP sells you an upgraded internet package, it sounds great here's my money lets do it. An engineer comes round installs your new equipment and leaves you with no internet, you call customer services and they tell you your not our priority we may fix your internet in the next few months. As a customer how would you feel? Just because my example is more obvious, should not change the level of respect and care offered to customers.

[drifting tulip]

@mighty cloud @wooden needle @lean rapids @hard torrent and anyone else seeing unsatisfactory results. I've seen enough evidence to raise a ticket and I suggest you all do the same.

[mighty cloud]

I don't have Determined player but I follow all the comments here, and if this happened to me, of course I would not be satisfied.

[hard torrent]

Unfortunately, I can't create a ticket because the in-game bug reporting module is gone.

The only option available is chat with the AI, which is a road to nowhere.

That's why I'm writing in this thread.

Dear @buoyant osprey I'd like to report a bug regarding the inability to report a bug in-game.

[runic tulip]

Hi!

You should be able to report a bug in the support page -.

If you don't get the pop up from the chatbot, please double check the browser settings to see if pop ups are blocked

[lean rapids]

If it doesn't appear, try to refresh the page using Ctrl + F5 (not just a F5). To me it worked!

[hard torrent]

The reason was different, but thank you for your help. The ticket has been created and sent.

[cold wyvern]

This data is exactly what I was expecting. Because if your player had been more aggressive, he would have received a rating of 195.

[lean rapids]

Well... He was aggressive before so I can confirm it 😜

[drifting tulip]

Another dodgy score on a home match

[runic tulip]

This is still being investigated, but nothing was found so far. Thanks for sharing it!

[drifting tulip]

An expected rating today- away in a cup match

Its very fustrating not being able to predict wether or not a peronality will work game to game

[deep pecan]

Yesterday my determined got 181 rating at home. On Saturday at away match 165.

[deep pecan]

Still investigated?

[runic tulip]

Hi,
Yes, this is still being investigated.

[deep pecan]

I got away match on Saturday. How long it takes?

[deep pecan]

This is the most important part of the season and playoffs in the future and determined is like spirited player

[runic tulip]

sadly, there is no estimated time at the moment, however, more info should be provided once available.

[deep pecan]

Lol

[hard torrent]

In yesterday's AWAY league match, a player with the Determined personality type was again given a lower rating than two identical players with the Aggressive personality type. I'm guessing the investigation is still ongoing...

[deep pecan]

The same in my team. And what more the game changes my 185% to 150%

Motivated player had weaker note

[deep pecan]

?

[runic tulip]

Hi,

Thanks for sharing!

Best is to submit a ticket with details, if you didn't.
Support should update the ticket as soon as there is more info on the findings.

From what I know so far, the Determined rating, is still being looked into.

[deep pecan]

Number 8 is determined
Moreover I saved as 185% and it shows 150%
I already made a ticket to support with that.

[hard torrent]

I'm curious if the priority of bug fixes still depends on the number of tickets? If so, I have some bad news for you. The low number of tickets depends on the fact that only a few managers were able to use the personality change card last season. But soon, very soon, in just a few days, the new season starts. Hundreds of players will change someone's personality to Determined. And they'll be a bit surprised. I think you'll soon have enough tickets to put this bug at the top of the list. 🙂
In the meantime, I suggest temporarily changing the character name from Determined to Dynamic. It better reflects his behavior. 😉

[runic tulip]

Hi,
Thanks for the screenshot.
According to the screenshot, the Determined player had a slightly higher rating than the aggressive one (no, 9).

I see there was a response to your ticket.

[deep pecan]

But dynamic got more red cards than determined

[deep pecan]

Why I played at 150%? I was saved 185%

[wooden needle]

That's another rare bug that has been around for a long time. Sometimes it will randomly lower the percentage from what we save it at. I think me might have been told early on that it's most likely a visual bug, but I've never believed that, since the ratings of the players always fit the lower percentage.

[deep pecan]

Why 9 aggresive has better note than inflexible?

[deep pecan]

Players played at 150%. I lost 6 point match and probably go to the playoffs

It isnt view bug. Inflexible got better note than aggressive.

someone here is just lying about the visual bug.

This is in ticket too

There are more important tasks to do? This has influence at the final score.

[wooden needle]

I know, and it's a bug that potentially has big consequences, like you mention. If I remember correctly it was all the way back when we still had the forum, that we first reported it. I'm not 100% sure it was this bug that was also claimed to be visual (but I think it was), so you shouldn't accuse people of lying, in case I'm wrong. It would be very nice if they could figure out why it's happening and get it fixed though - and the same with the determined character not getting a bonus.

[deep pecan]

But we all see at screenshot what is happend

It isnt visual

Seriously it was 6 point match beetwen 6 and 7 possition

Noone even answered about it...

[runic tulip]

There was no notification regarding the response you received to your ticket and you don't see it in the chat history?

[runic tulip]

Rating is dynamic value, I also have an aggressive who got higher rating the the inflexible player.

[deep pecan]

but here inflexible got higher

it should be opposite

[deep pecan]

no I dont

6-169
8- 167

[runic tulip]

Both, number of tickets and severity are taken into account as far as I know, but some bugs, especially those appear from to time and without a specific pattern, can be harder to identify.

All I can say is that they are definitely looked into and they will certainly be fixed.

[runic tulip]

I will send you in private, cause I see a response to your ticket.

[deep pecan]

what with matches already played?

If I go to the league 2 the game fix it after? 😄

And return me to the 1.1?

its impossible

we all know that

[runic tulip]

The ranking in the league won't be changed, that is for sure,

[deep pecan]

LOL

so maybe try to fix it before season end

I dont want to play playoffs

what is recompensate for relegation with bug?

1 year in league 2 or more

20 fountain of youth in 1 season?

or 40?

or something better?

asking in advance

[wooden needle]

It looks like my determined player didn't get a bonus again tonight, which I think played a role in me not winning. Not that I think this info changes anything. Edit: Well, actually he has about the same rating as an inflexible player, so I guess some bonus, but no where near what it normally is at 185%. I did get a red card, but I'm not sure how that should influence it since I still had 8 characters in the team.

[drifting tulip]

I would suggest customer opinion should be a game priority. Selling a feature for over 200euros and having it not work should be seen as a disaster. Why expect people to buy the next one you want to sell?

[drifting tulip]

Mine operated as intended tonight BTW

[lean rapids]

Mine didn't 🙁

[wooden needle]

And my player who didn't get the (full) bonus in my away match yesterday, did get it in my away match today. It really seems completely unpredictable, which I'm sure also makes it more difficult to fix. Still, for 84.000 stars, this has to work all the time, so I agree that this should be the top priority.

[drifting tulip]

@runic tulip Any news on a fix? personality changes are about to be reset and not sure whether to risk another determined

[cold wyvern]

In GU, our knowledge comes from our experience. We'll be able to speak more clearly after the first few matches. If you have any doubts, you should wait for the statistics from the first matches.

[runic tulip]

Hi,

No further updates at the moment regarding the investigation.
as soon as there is an update, an announcement should be made either here in the thread or in the game.
Thank you!

[cold wyvern]

Three players in the same position have the same strength and values. The aggressive player received 191 ratings, while the decisive player received 196 ratings.

[drifting tulip]

Mine this season have all been as I would have expected, that would reassure me. Except we know there was no fix yet so its still a coin toss

[cold wyvern]

I'm sorry, but there's a mistake. My dedicated player's value is 185, so they should have received a value between 195-200, but they received a value of 166. This is an error.

[cold wyvern]

My third team has the same problem.

[cold wyvern]

Other teams have the same problem as well.

[fading shell]

holy **** u got a strong 2. and 3. team 🤩

[cold wyvern]

I try to be the best I can be.

[haughty mirage]

Same here

@buoyant osprey 🤔

[hard torrent]

In my last two league matches (away and home), my determined player has received slightly higher ratings than the aggressive players. At 185% effort, the advantage is 5-6 points. I'm satisfied, please don't fix anything. 😉

[cold wyvern]

I'm happy for you. But what we want is for your advantage to continue and for any mistakes on our end to be corrected. So, I hope you're not saying, "It's okay if it works for me but not for you"?

[drifting tulip]

All 3 of my league games the personality has worked correctly. But ill say it again, if there has been no fix we know its still broken. The evidence was beyond dispute last season, it hasn't magically corrected itself.

[hard torrent]

No, that's not what I meant. If I remember, next time I'll write an ironic request in bold.

There was no message, so no error was found and nothing was fixed. So we can assume the error fixed itself. And that's what scares me.

[drifting tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/b99-its-happening-again-finally-surprised-brooklyn-nine-nine-gif-16518034

@runic tulip confirmed no fix, they might not have confirmed the bug. But its not exactly up for dispute, we have gathered vast amounts of evidence

[cold wyvern]

A ticket was created regarding this issue, and the response is below.

"Thank you very much for the report and for taking the time to share the details!

The situation with the Determined player is still being investigated and it seems that sometimes still happens that the rating value displayed in the match report is lower than expected.

We will forward the details to the game center and hopefully, this will help them identify what causes this and whether this is a visual issue or not."

[cold wyvern]

In today's cup match, the player with the "determined" character did not receive a bonus. This is my third official match where I did not receive a bonus. I believe that as long as this error continues, all the official matches I play will be considered invalid. Furthermore, the motivational commentator feature also did not work in today's cup match. There is another deficiency here. I kindly request that this issue be resolved urgently.

I'm starting to wonder if I'm getting punished for talking too much 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

[mighty cloud]

Try to lower the effort a little bit

[cold wyvern]

The feature's working principle suggests that lowering the effort level between 150-185 won't show us the correct result.

He works in the second team, Determined. I want to know why he didn't work in the first team. Also, neither team had a motivational speaker.

[deep pecan]

Determined is related to speaker? Why?

[deep pecan]

2 - determined 11,8
20 - aggressive 11,4

[cold wyvern]

"determined" demeanor didn't work in the league match on February 11th.

İt did not fulfill her "motivational speaker" duties in the league match on February 14th.

The "motivational speaker" and "determined character" didn't work in the cup match on February 13th.

"Motivational speaker" and "determined character" aren't random upgrades. If you have them, they should work in official matches. I don't know which ones won't work in the next match. I'm also still losing points in official matches. I've asked the administrators for help because I don't want to lose points again. Or if I do lose points, it shouldn't be because of these deficiencies. @deep pecan

[haughty mirage]

The game is broken, another season, another disappointment. Instead of fixing anything, new updates are only making the game worse.

[cold wyvern]

The England team's match just finished. Player number 93 received a rating of 12.8 for a determined character and 178 overall. Players 99-95 received ratings of 12.8 for aggressive players and 190-191 overall. My problem is variable, but I'm having trouble with the development of "motivational speaker" and "determined character" traits. @runic tulip @lean rapids @vestal wigeon

[deep pecan]

so true

[deep pecan]

not only you got those problems

[cold wyvern]

The "determined" character didn't give a bonus in today's league match. And I keep losing points. Question: Are they still working on resolving this issue? Or should we stop expecting a bonus in every match?

[cold wyvern]

I may not be the only one experiencing this problem, but I'm the only one in my league with a determined character. Right now, I'm facing all the problems alone. This isn't fair. Other players might be experiencing the same issues.

[cold wyvern]

My third team, "wishhope," also failed to receive the "determined" bonus in the league match.

The motivational speaker didn't receive a bonus either.

[haughty mirage]

On my team, when a determined player gets a normal rating, the aggressive players get a low rating. When a determined player gets a low rating, the aggressive players get normal ratings...

Determined nr 23

[cold wyvern]

My first league match with "determined" worked correctly. Aggressive scored 194, Determined scored 198. That's correct. And this doesn't affect Aggressive. Besides, the shared information doesn't suggest it would affect Aggressive.

[deep pecan]

2 - determined 11,8
8 - determined 12,0

[cold wyvern]

Player number 2 did not receive a bonus. A clear comparison.

[deep pecan]

Home game

What happend?

What more 3 - 11.8 character with no bonus xD

[cold wyvern]

I don't want to give advice, but there are no handicaps in the events and they don't work with extra bonuses. This is natural, but could there be a conflict between official matches and event matches without handicaps?

[runic tulip]

Hi everyone,

Thank you once again for sharing your observations on this over the past weeks.

What I can tell is that we are very close for the fix and it should be ready soon.

[cold wyvern]

Thank you for the answer I was waiting for. Should we continue sharing if the situation persists? I don't want to create visual clutter.

[cold wyvern]

Good news

[wooden needle]

Definitely. Now I can finally switch a 2nd player to be Determined. I haven't wanted to do that while it could actually end up making my team weaker during the matches.

[drifting tulip]

I'm reading that as claiming its a display bug only

[cold wyvern]

The explanation seems to state that the fix was only made for the prodigy character. The same problem existed for the motivational speaker. Mr. FLO, does this fix also apply to the motivational speaker? @runic tulip

[runic tulip]

Hi,

This was for the Determined player.
If you reported similar issue about the Motivational Speaker, please follow up with support for further details

[cold wyvern]

I wrote to support about both of them. There's a league match tomorrow. I'll share the generated data with support and with you. @runic tulip

👍

[runic tulip]

Please check back with support, as there should be a response to this too

[cold wyvern]

There's no change in the cup match. He's still getting a lower rating than an aggressive player. We need to see what happens in tomorrow's league match, but his determined character still doesn't work in cup matches.

[cold wyvern]

Normal Data

[mighty cloud]

The problem still exists...

He played the second half and didn't get the bonus

[eternal fossil]

@mighty cloud
Determined has a bonus on an engagement of 150+. You played on 150... so no bonus.

[mighty cloud]

-Bonus for Very high and Extremely High engagement (150%+)
150 is Very High, so of course you are wrong.
He is receiving bonus with 150 effort when he is starter

[vestal wigeon]

I'm getting this checked to clarify the situation, my understanding is the same as @eternal fossil that the bonus is for effort played at 150+ meaning 151 and above.

As soon as I get clarification I'll let you know and either way I'll raise the issue of a bug/

[vestal wigeon]

yes that could be a bug like I said, I will get it checked

[vestal wigeon]

Just got confirmation that it should kick in at 150% which I'm very surprised at to be honest.

If you can raise a ticket for the half time sub you made and didn't receive the bonus