Prodigy player about

[short abyss]

Like all special players, they resort back to "regular players" and lose all their special attributes. The benefit about Prodigy players is once you have bought one you can reposition them

[hexed spade]

@short abyss I sold two genius players from my top management team, Zirve GU, but they're not showing up on the transfer market. As you said, if they're supposed to appear as regular players, they're not showing up right now. Either there's a mistake, or special players aren't showing up on the transfer market. Can I get confirmation on this?

[short abyss]

They were available previously as I bought one a few weeks ago. I haven't heard hat there has been a change. You might not get a reply until tomorrow, not sure if @elder oriole or @void shoal will be on at anytime tonight, they will be able to confirm this

Have you gone on to the account that sold the 2 players, if they have gone onto the transfer market they should be showing under the "watch" tab in the transfer section

One other thing, how long ago did you sell the 2 players? I don't think there is usually a small time delay for them to appear, I'm unsure as I don't really use the transfer market that often, just a thought 🤔

[hexed spade]

2 hours ago

@short abyss , I'd like to ask you a question. I'd appreciate it if you answered.

[short abyss]

I will if I can

[hexed spade]

Let's say I've brought a prodigy player into the first team.

Attributes;
Experience: 115.0
Goalkeeping: 113.0
Duties: 111.0
Playmaking: 112.50
Passing: 115.0
Goalscoring: 112.0

This player is a winger

[short abyss]

Wow you have been very fortunate there, they are great figures

[hexed spade]

How much can I increase this player's power?

[short abyss]

I think that the player is at it's limit. someone may be able to say a way that you can increase those limits but I cannot see how because you cannot reposition it

[hexed spade]

Let me help you.

It can have a maximum power of 11.80.

So, if I sell the player, he'll enter the transfer market as a regular player. If you buy him, how much power can you add to his price?

It can reach a power of 12.07, or 12.0. Therefore, some Prodigy players are worse than ordinary players with a power of 0.2.

[short abyss]

He will become a regular player with the potential of becoming a 12.0 player

[hexed spade]

Because the players are young, nobody notices this mistake. I know how to calculate player power, so I'm aware of this issue. I think it's a mistake. A Prodigy player should be somewhere between a normal player and a superior player.

Normal players reach 12.0 power. Superior players reach 12.8, therefore genius players should also have 12.0-12.2-12.4-12.6 power. Do you think this makes sense?

[short abyss]

He is a better player than a regular player for most managers and at a much younger age. His potential is limited due to him not being able to be repositioned. For me I'm not interested in any prodigy player because of these restrictions.

Normal players very rarely get to 12.0, there are very few managers than can get their players to that level

It's only the top top managers that can achieve this with most of their players

[hexed spade]

You're right, not everyone reaches their potential. But for the few players who do, wouldn't it be disappointing for a prodigy player to be rated at 11.80?

It's unfortunate that the developers didn't notice this bug. Every new development needs to be well-planned. I analyze every new development released for GU first. Is it beneficial? If I don't see any benefit, I don't bother trying to acquire it.

I'm like that in real life too. Analysis, experience, then decision.

GU gives me pleasure in this respect. Every new development becomes an occupation for me.

[short abyss]

For me that is your choice as a top manager whether or not the Progidy player is actually worth it to you. Now for me they are very worth it for managers that are not in the elite section but to managers like yourself I don't think they are worth it because of the resources they will take to get to 11.8.

Again just my personal opinion but managers that are in the top elite group like yourself, Rayan, Ghostriders, AH United etc etc there are another 20 or so that I would class as elite. If you look through their squad the majority don't have a mass of 12.0 players, some do but not 10 or 12 of these players. Also bear in mind quite a bit of time that has passed since the buildings and cards etc became available to grow your players strengths to these top levels but most teams still aren't inundated with a lot of them. Some teams have quite a few 11.8 players and are getting closer. Another drawback to achieving these 12.0 players is the squad size which some managers have gone down the line of small squads which makes growing players easier and quicker but has the downside of cover for injuries and suspensions. Personally I like a larger squad to cover these problems during the season and this makes it less likely to be able to train players up to 12.0

[hexed spade]

@short abyss Your point of view makes sense. Thank you for your thoughts.

[short abyss]

Again it's just my personal opinion. When they first were released I thought great, was a little concerned that you couldn't reposition them but after a short while I realised for me they weren't really that helpful. They can be very useful for a lot of other players.

[elder oriole]

Players like Prodigy don't end up at transfer market. Same applies for other like UTs. At least it should be the case.

[hexed spade]

@young oxide I previously opened a thread about the hierarchical issue regarding the Prodigy card. Please read it. We can discuss it there. As you suggested, let's not call it a "bug," let's call it a hierarchical deficiency. I don't think the definition is important. Also, many players aren't aware of this problem. Because Prodigy players are still young. When they complete training, they'll see their players have a maximum strength of 11.8. Considering that even a player obtained without a card at 0.2 strength can reach 12.0 strength with current training methods, this is a problem that needs to be discussed or corrected.

[halcyon scaffold]

player max. It will be 11.8Q. I strived for the best package of the entire event. It's all I have.

[hexed spade]

This issue has been reported before. Hopefully, it will be resolved. Because it's upsetting not only to lose the stars but also to see the effort of an event go to waste.🥺

[young oxide]

In your case you got a slightly better player than a normal one, with the tackling limit being higher than 115 (116.10) 🙂

[river gust]

what a joke

[hexed spade]

The player's maximum power is 11.91 (12.0), so he can reach the same power as a 0.2 power player you can get from the transfer market. Assuming the player's position doesn't change, the Prodigy player doesn't have an advantage.

[hexed spade]

Since the player's maximum power is 11.86 (11.8), he can reach the same power as a 0.2 power level player you can get from the transfer market. Assuming the player's position doesn't change, I rate the Genius player in the "terrible" category.

@river gust You can use this table to calculate the player's maximum power. I created the table. It's free 🙂

[river gust]

It might be language issues, or I'm missing something. Why do you calculate he can exceed 110 in passing and scoring?

Thats the limit I calculate for him, below what ANY other player can reach

[hexed spade]

Because I tried it and it exceeds the limit. For example, adding a limit breaker to a 109.60 player makes it 110.60. After that, no other limit breaker cards can be played.

[hexed spade]

When 110 is added, it looks like this. Also, the Excel spreadsheet is in English. @river gust

[river gust]

That must be a bug @void shoal the card specifically says it wont exceed 110. Normally I would be quiet about bugs beneficial to us, but the card is so useless it should be fixed now not later.

[young oxide]

That's really not a relevant difference 😢

[young oxide]

The card says skills can reach up to 115, not 110

[young oxide]

But, you can play Masterclasses to reach 115, although it is super hard and time expensive to have a player with all skills at 115 :/

[river gust]

I think you misunderstand, my card had every stat below 110, ASDU is saying I can increase those stats to for instance 110.8 using limit breakers. He is saying he has tested and exceeds 110, I'm saying its a bug that needs fixing the cards quite clearly contradict that

[river gust]

and you also cant masterclass anything but his main skill, he cant be position swapped. Like I said my card is Worse in every measurable way than a standard player, he isnt even young

[young oxide]

Right, I forgot about that 😅

[river gust]

haha cards are so rare Ive not put any thought into it before today

[hexed spade]

I think my observations on this subject are not being understood, or perhaps I am explaining it incorrectly.

We have 7 different types of youth cards.

Six of them are characterized by their age and starting strength.

1. Common Youth scout : Average strength 1.6

2. Rare Youth Scout: Average strength 2.0

3. Ultra rare Youth Scout: Average strength 2.4

4. Top Youth player: Average strength 3.6

5. Gold Youth player: Average strength 4.0

6. Wonderkid: Average strength 5.0 - Age 16

All players obtained with these 6 cards can reach a maximum power of 12.0. To reach 12.0, you need position change cards, boundary cards, versatile cards, and master cards available in the game. A player skilled enough with these cards can raise all players obtained with the six cards to a power of 12.0.

The 7th card is the Special Prodigy card we mentioned in this section: This card can be unlocked with random limits up to 115, and there's a 10% chance it can unlock 115-120 features, or all of them.

[river gust]

I don't think anyone misunderstands that, its well established with a proven route. The issue is premium prodigy cards with a ceiling lower than any other player in the game

[hexed spade]

What I'm trying to say is that cards 1-6 can increase your player's power to 12.0, but the 7th Prodigy card, if none of its attributes (including the main attribute) are 115 or 115+, and the player can't change positions, its power is limited to a maximum of 11.8.

There is a solution. The player needs to change positions. Then the power ceiling will be 12.0. Or, if each card unlocked has a secondary attribute of 115+, then even if the player doesn't change positions, the power base will be 12.0. For example: If you use a defensive Prodigy card, and its Playmaking attribute is 115.5, even if other attributes are below 115, the player's defensive power can be increased to 12.0.

[hexed spade]

You're right, I was just trying to explain.

Also, Prodigy cards develop slowly because the player's position doesn't change. 99% of managers are unaware that players don't develop and don't understand this power base calculation. Think about it? I bought a player with a Prodigy card, developed him for 5-6 seasons, and the player's power remained at 11.8. It sounds weird 🙂