winter lichen
Due to reasons (botched repair attempt), my 3DS is in a unusable state.
I managed to make most of the manual setup for Azahar, including getting all relevant files from my Nand backup, essential backups, luma automatic backups and SD card backup.
I copied all these files to sysdata on Azahar.
However while I could setup Nimbus and log to Pretendo, I get 002-0101 when I enter the friend list.
languid sleetBOT
Due to reasons (botched repair attempt), my 3DS is in a unusable state.
I manag...
cursive wing
Okay so, you mentioned that your 3DS is unusable
May I ask how is it unusable?
winter lichen
Beoken 3 flex cables, the 2 shoulder buttons and microphone
Also fucked up the power button placement so it doesn't fit right in it's hole
To sum it up it's likely not a unsolvable hardware problem nor a brick
Fucked up power button
cursive wing
Okay damn your 3DS is screwed up, unless you can get replacements for the broken flex cables
Pretty sure the shoulder buttons are connected through those flex cables, so unless they were non-functional beforehand, you can replace the flex cables and they should work, I think
winter lichen
Yeah, problem is it will take a bit before I can fix them
That's also why I took the opportunity to look into 3ds emulation
If I had the foresight of looking into 3ds before breaking the 3ds, I would have a easier time though
cursive wing
Not sure where the serial code on the 3DS is stored on the system, since this is a different error from an LFCS_B mismatch, so lemme do some digging
-# Probably SecureInfo now that I think about it
winter lichen
Btw here you can see the broken flex cables
cursive wing
Okay so if you wish to repair your 3DS, you can ask in NH's #hardware channel, for now though I'll focus on why you're getting this error on Azahar, since a manual Azahar setup should not be a problem, Artic Setup is there just to streamline it
winter lichen
I do have functional Home Menu
With functional System Settings
I thought at this point it was just a matter of dumping all files the emulators likes on sysdata
And some of them would be the ones apretendo requires
cursive wing
Okay, that may be a pointer to something
In Azahar, what region does it say your installed HOME menu is, and then in System Settings, what letter does it say at the end of your version string in the bottom right corner of the top screen?
winter lichen
USA region, Brasil country, U install
Though I did notice I have 2 Health and Safety apps
cursive wing
I'd imagine Brazil uses NTSC-U, right? Let me do a little bit of digging
While I do that, lemme just ask you bluntly on this, did you ever perform a region change?
winter lichen
Yes, Brazil is usually NTSC-U
No. Never had interest in region change
Though my 3DS was an Old 3DS, apparently on Azahar you are intended to install Old 3DS firmware and then New 3DS firmware
cursive wing
N3DS setup after O3DS setup
However that only applies if you have an N3DS
winter lichen
Ah, could I have fucked up on that?
cursive wing
Nope, you have an O3DS, you full-on could not have done N3DS setup
winter lichen
Ahem, since I can't run Artic I had to run alternate ways to install system firmware
Which would make it easier to fuck up
cursive wing
Lemme look through some Azahar settings, see if there is some setting for where your sysdata is installed that you may have not configured
winter lichen
Wait do you mean re run system setup?
cursive wing
No, I mean in Azahar's configuration itself
In Emulation -> System, there should be a section titled "Real Console Unique Data", it seems that it has to be loaded in the settings for Azahar for it to be used, have you done that?
winter lichen
> phone
cursive wing
Azahar should still have these settings on mobile
winter lichen
They don't
cursive wing
Damn, lemme take a look just to confirm
What I mean, just for clarification, is that I'm going to download Azahar on my phone and check
Hmm, I don't know why that doesn't appear, other than maybe it just doesn't show up without running Artic Setup and linking your console
Let me look into where the serial info is stored on the 3DS so you can compare the serial on the console yourself, but while I do that I have another question, have you done anything on the console which may cause the serial stored on the console to have changed?
winter lichen
Only notable things I did were CFW A9LH install, CFW migration to sighax (both bootstrap and B9S) and at least one system format
Although I doubt any of them caused it
Unless as a side effect
cursive wing
As far as I know, none of those would have caused it
Let me also have a look through some Azahar documentation to see if it even supports doing a setup like this, which to be honest I should've checked a while ago
winter lichen
Os it safe for me to share the secure info with you so you can analyze it?
cursive wing
No, as it contains sensitive console-unique information
I'll dump my own SecureInfo to put into a hex editor to see if I can find the serial in it
winter lichen
I do know that I currently have two separate movable seeds due to the system format, but it might not contain that info
cursive wing
I'd still rather not have you share your dumped files as other than SecureInfo I do not know which ones contain sensitive console-unique information
Again, I'll dump my own files and look into them to see
winter lichen
Btw this is my Azahar home menu
cursive wing
-# Just realised that I already have a dump since I did setup on Azahar, so I don't need to dump
cursive wing
Btw this is my Azahar home menu
Huh, you do have two Health and Safety apps
Did you purchase this 3DS used, perchance?
winter lichen
Afaik not really, it came in the original box but with a third party charger due to Brazil's Europlug usage
Basically my family bought it as an attempt to calm me down when I was at the beginning a psychotic episode due to bipolar disorder
cursive wing
So you mean you don't know?
winter lichen
Well, I had the box
cursive wing
The box does not indicate if it has been used or not
winter lichen
And I opened it from basically fully sealed
cursive wing
And I opened it from basically fully sealed
Now that can indicate, but the fact that it contained a third-party charger is interesting
winter lichen
Though I won't discard the bipolar disorder might affect my memory
winter lichen
Now that *can* indicate, but the fact that it contained a third-party charger is...
I didn't say that the box contained the third party charger, but that I also got one alongside
Basically since a long time American square energy cables are a chore to use in Brazil
If you don't need grounding just get Europlug
For grounding we use a standard that only Switzerland also uses and a lot of older people hate ir
Anyway, sorry for trauma dumping + info dumping
cursive wing
Okay, SecureInfo does contain the serial of the console, can you download some sort of hex editor onto your phone for me and open the SecureInfo_A file? You should be able to very easily find your serial in there as it will be the only thing legible in it
Once you've found the serial, compare it to what the serial code printed on the console is, and tell me if they match or do not match, but do not send them
winter lichen
I can tell that I got it probably in 2017 and I couldn't install CFW for a while.
When it became viable for me to install CFW (after being stored in a drawer for a while) the process involved downgrading the system firmware.
Also it was the Emu and era for a while
cursive wing
Anyway, sorry for trauma dumping + info dumping
It's fine, don't worry about it, and I'm sorry to hear about the problems you suffer with
Let us focus on checking SecureInfo_A though
winter lichen
Ok, so right now I only have the serial number on the name of the sysNand backup
Because I don't have easy access to the 3ds right now
cursive wing
Actually, yeah, don't know why I never thought of that too
The name of your 3DS's backup is derivative of your serial stored on it
Do you have physical access to your 3DS, I don't mean turning it on, I mean like the actual physically existing console
cursive wing
Yeah
At the very least, do you have an image of the back that you could check?
winter lichen
Sadly I don't
cursive wing
I think that maybe your Azahar just isn't set up properly, as SecureInfo_A, at least on the Windows version of Azahar, doesn't exist in the sysdata folder, but it does exist in [Your Azahar folder]\nand\rw\sys
I suspect that it's just not in the right place and it thinks it's entirely missing from the system
winter lichen
Cool, which could have been solved if Azahar guys had some tutorial on how to setup manually
cursive wing
It would, maybe there is but there isn't anything on their GitHub
There is a section for manually dumping but all it says is that they cannot disclose how because the data obtained would be copywritten information
winter lichen
Probably it can be found on the Arctic source code combined with the code from the emulator that interacts with it
cursive wing
True, give me a bit to figure out where each file goes
For sysdata, you only need the files in this screenshot in there
Do not delete any files which you have that aren't supposed to be in there, as we will be figuring out where they go
Your LocalFriendCodeSeed_B and SecureInfo_A goes in [Your Azahar folder]/nand/rw/sys
If these folders do not exist, make them
If you have these files in these folders already, then that'd be odd and we may need to go back to checking the serial
Your movable.sed should be in [Your Azahar folder]/nand/private
Again, if these folders do not exist, then make them
As far as I can tell, that should be it
cursive wing
Leave them alone, I cannot find them in my Azahar install but keeping them where they are should be fine, pretty much don't touch anything if you don't have to
winter lichen
I have these, all others were moved as requested
cursive wing
Now try again, with your files moved about
I think it was just unable to find them where they needed to be
cursive wing
That's a very good sign though!
Just create a new personal Mii
winter lichen
Can't I download it again from Pretendo?
cursive wing
Yes, but I'm not sure how that menu specifically would handle a corrupted Mii
You could open Mii Maker and just use the default Mii, then when asked what Mii you want to use, choose the one linked with your ID
Also it would generally be good to see if you successfully connect to the friends server or if something else may be amiss
But the fact that it seems we've gotten past the serial mismatch error code is a good sign!
winter lichen
@cursive wing Good news
cursive wing
What is the good news?
cursive wing
Okay, I will be honest, all of that was genuinely me guessing, I was half-expecting it to work
I'm glad my theory was right though!
You can now use Nimbus to switch to Pretendo Network, open System Settings and head over to Nintendo Network ID settings to link your PNID and then replace your personal Mii saved on the emulator to the one linked to your PNID
winter lichen
Can we get a manual Azahar setup guide on Pretendo website now?
We seem to have the info
cursive wing
I could write one up, but I'm not sure how to acquire the console unique files from the console or get the HOME menu installed without Artic
All I now know is that the files need to be in the specific places
Also that'd be more an Azahar thing, setting up console files manually, not a Pretendo thing, but it would be good to have a proper guide on installing Nimbus and using Pretendo in Azahar
Again though Azahar probably doesn't tell you for a reason
winter lichen
I'm glad my theory was right though!
You can now use Nimbus to switch to Pretend...
But I was already authenticated to Pretendo, but the friend list app refuse my authentication
cursive wing
Did you manage to log into Pretendo through System Settings?
winter lichen
I could write one up, but I'm not sure how to acquire the console unique files f...
The console unique files you should expect the person to own a CFW 3DS and be familiar with the 3DS modding scene, so at worst just redirect them to the 3DS homebrew Discord.
You can get Home Menu on Azahar without Arctic by either following a specific guide on Azahar Discord that involves two specific Windows exes or alternative means (cof cof Azahar forks cof cof)
Also Azahar guys refuse any instruction that is not using Arctic, so it would be good if Pretendo at least documents what it requires.
winter lichen
Did you manage to log into Pretendo through System Settings?
I already was logged into it before the 002-0101 error though?
languid sleetBOT
I already was logged into it before the 002-0101 error though?
cursive wing
But I was already authenticated to Pretendo, but the friend list app refuse my a...
Oh?
So what do you mean by this then? ^
winter lichen
Logged into Pretendo via Settings -> Try to open friends list -> 002-0101 -> Tries to open Miiverse -> Input Pretendo password -> It gives an error that indicates my Secure Info is fucked up
languid sleetBOT
Logged into Pretendo via Settings -> Try to open friends list -> 002-0101 -> Tri...
cursive wing
It means either maintenance or serial mismatch
winter lichen
cursive wing
but can occasionally be a Pretendo outage
Okay wait, I think I may be a bit confused here
Have you tried logging into your PNID? You did manage to connect to the friends server without error judging by the screenshot you sent earlier after creating a new personal Mii
winter lichen
Dunno but I managed to login to Pretendo and only get the error when opening the friend list
Then you helped me move files around, I opened the friend list again and it said my Mii was corrupted
Then a create a Mii from scratch and open friend list and I was online with a friend code
cursive wing
Let's not talk about anything which occurred before moving the files
I'm talking about now
So you now are able to open the Friends List applet without any errors, and you are definitely getting a Friend Code assigned
winter lichen
What I need now is replace this Mii with the one from Pretendo
winter lichen
So you now are able to open the Friends List applet without any errors, and you ...
Apparently yes
I will try opening Miiverse as well
cursive wing
Ah shit, wait I think because of the order of how things have been done, your PNID's Mii has been overwritten because I instructed you to make a new one to fix the corruption since I didn't either remember or know that you had your PNID was already linked to your console
winter lichen
So I should go to Mii Maker and make a new one?
cursive wing
Changes do take some time though, so if we're quick, and if you agree to doing this for the chance of saving your Mii, would you like to try unlinking your PNID and linking it again to get the choice between your PNID's Mii or your current personal Mii?
cursive wing
Okay, apologies about not realising that about the Mii stuff
cursive wing
Ah, there's a issue
Oh?
winter lichen
I will probably fuck up my Mii Plaza save if I do it?
cursive wing
If you do what?
winter lichen
Só I shouldn't try restoring it
If I replace my Mii with a completely new one
Then it will cause issues if I restore mii Plaza save data
cursive wing
I don't think so, I think it just loads your personal Mii
winter lichen
Good point, might be a good experiment
Still, you already helped me connect to apretendo manually with my 3DS backup from a broken 3DS
cursive wing
By the way, I will suggest that you download and install the .cia for Universal Updater
winter lichen
Why so?
cursive wing
Still, you already helped me connect to apretendo manually with my 3DS backup fr...
I'm still surprised that what I suggested worked
winter lichen
What I will be installing or updating?
cursive wing
What I will be installing or updating?
You can update Nimbus from it when an update is pushed out
winter lichen
I'm still surprised that what I suggested worked
Please write all that down someplace outside Discord, even if just on Pretendo forums
cursive wing
I'll write some stuff in notepad, could write it down in my error codes and solutions text file
winter lichen
Mostly if you have the backed up 3ds and their target location on Hazard folder in Google able form it would help a lot
Though I did see some emulator errors on logs that claimed it requires ctcert
cursive wing
Does it say where it expects it?
winter lichen
Apparently a possible error is this:
[ 30.296937] Service.AM core/hle/service/am/am.cpp:GetDeviceCert:4601: Invalid or missing CTCert
Mine is on sysdata and it seems fine
Though it should be said that if you do not have the ctcert already, it can be dumped with a combination of your boot9 and otp
cursive wing
In the most recent log, does it complain about there being no ctcert.bin?
winter lichen
This tools worked for me:
https://github.com/SciresM/otptool
cursive wing
I can't find a ctcert.bin at all in my Azahar install, so I don't know what's up with that
winter lichen
In the most recent log, does it complain about there being no `ctcert.bin`?
Dunno, I googled the error either yesterday or earlier today, the specific log line I sent was from the issue I found
winter lichen
I can't find a `ctcert.bin` at all in my Azahar install, so I don't know what's ...
Apparently it's a file that is needed for some internet communication
Though, as I said, it can be derived from boot9 and otp
Check 3dsbrew
And also apparently real 3DS derives it on early boot, the emulator might be doing the same
cursive wing
It seems to be used for signing CTX files, whatever that means?
The console-unique CTCert is used for signing CTX files, the DeviceCert used by eShop, and for DSiWare exports.
From 3DSBrew
winter lichen
Since it's networking related I would think it signs packets?
cursive wing
It doesn't seem to be used for that
winter lichen
Then since it's used eShop it might play a role into generating tickets?
cursive wing
Okay, doing a little more digging, seems like it's used to sign the NAND titles
If you're able to launch System Settings, then it shouldn't be something that would affect much if missing
winter lichen
Great, then I guess my work here is done
I have functional Home Menu (via alternate means) with functional Pretendo (based on backups from my broken 3DS)
cursive wing
Ah, it's also used to sign a cert used for content being downloaded from the eShop, so you may need it if you plan on logging into your NNID and redownload software from the eShop, but if you've got cartridge backups, they should be fine
winter lichen
I do still need some help from Nintendo Homebrew support to surgically restore the rest of my saves
Ok, that's all from my side, thanks a lot for the help
cursive wing
Well, now with your seemingly functional Azahar install, you can go back to NH to get help with restoring your saves!
winter lichen
Please write the guide even if in minimalist form
cursive wing
Ok, that's all from my side, thanks a lot for the help
You're welcome!
cursive wing
Please write the guide even if in minimalist form
Most I could do is write down specific instructions to check where the console specific files are, but I could possibly bring it up to someone either here or in Nintendo Homebrew
Again though, Azahar probably has a reason for not wanting to give instructions as their reason on their GitHub is because they don't want to be held legally responsible for instructing how to get copywritten data... although Artic Base Setup does the exact same thing. So I'm not sure what's happening with that
winter lichen
Well, yeah, but supporting only Arctic guarantees only using that person's console
And they explicitly ask to not share the resulting nand
What they probably fear is someone sharing a set of files and everybody using it
cursive wing
Maybe, no one can really say except from the Azahar devs themselves and from what you've said, they seem to be not very much in a talking mood about system files when it comes to doing it manually
Either way I've marked this as solved, but if there's any error related to this, feel free to send another message
winter lichen
What would really solve it to me is an alternate tool that allows me to input my Nand backup and the decryption keys and it spits out a properly formatted nand
They do not seem against such alternate tools, only against manual guidance
cursive wing
Yeah, that'd probably be more of something to discuss with people in Nintendo Homebrew
I couldn't do that stuff myself since I'm not a dev, just a Support Helper here
winter lichen
What it seems to me is this:
That seems to explain their insistence on Arctic for me
winter lichen
@cursive wing I thought of something, since I have my Nand backup I can open it and look into the ctr Nand full for the location of the rest of the files?
cursive wing
You could, however I would not be able to assist further with that
It does seem though that all the files which Azahar needs are in their appropriate locations, I would test online multiplayer in a supported game though
winter lichen
Ok, makes sense
lone ridge
@winter lichen I'm sorry, but this isn't as easy of a process as you would hope.
You can't just drag the ctrnand over to Azahar due to how Azahar refuses to use encrypted files
And I'm unsure if that would mean that saves aren't possible to use either
Sorry.
winter lichen
I already managed to decrypt saves
lone ridge
I already managed to decrypt saves
You did?
In that case, you may be able to just drag each save into its appropriate location
winter lichen
And I'm unsure if that would mean that saves aren't possible to use either
Yeah, I had to get the .sav first and then use a tool called 3dsssve to decrypt
lone ridge
Yeah. I figured that's what it was.
winter lichen
I did at least manage Fantasy Life, Bravely Default and A Link Between Worlds
No luck for others yet
winter lichen
You can't just drag the ctrnand over to Azahar due to how Azahar refuses to use ...
Yeah, that why somebody could create a tool that takes the Nand backup and the essential files (which would contain the decryption keys), then you get something you can get into Azahar
buoyant vessel
@winter lichen did you try asking in the azahar server yet?
https://azahar-emu.org/ you can find that there
