Hacker Reporting Thread

[jolly jetty]

Will my wii u crash if I join the pb

[bleak solstice]

no cause i turned on private matchmaking

im off for now, sad we couldnt find em

they clearly knew someone was after em LOL

[ionic kayak]

Sad to see you go

[jolly jetty]

You're friend list is struggling again

[ionic kayak]

What

How

[jolly jetty]

You keep on going online and offline every 7 seconds

I got like 7 notification lights

[ionic kayak]

I think it broke because am playing like normal

Okay that’s enough splat 1 for today

[misty sandal]

So no way for the plugin to permanently store and read spoofed IDs to always return normal PIDs?

[manic dune]

People could modify the file, sounds dumb to me. Not doing that

[misty sandal]

oh damn it you are right

i didnt think about that

[manic dune]

It's why I'll encrypt the session file in a future update too

they'll be able to read it within the plugin & use that to report a past session

[misty sandal]

if you encrypt it you can fix this tho

[manic dune]

What?

[misty sandal]

i mean

[manic dune]

I won't store files and do what the game already does, im not gonna create a file based recent player list

[misty sandal]

if you encrypt it they cant edit it unless they know the algorithm?

[misty sandal]

Fair

[manic dune]

that's what the session logger already does.

[misty sandal]

Tho adding it visible in game is a good feature

better than opponent list

Maybe last 50 races is good

[rugged forum]

troller, which upgraded to hacker, found

https://youtu.be/gjN9d9UGYZo?si=gMGgmu5Tx4ioKhs1 troller pt. 1

[rugged forum]

trolling was pretty basic, slightly disrupting other racers

https://youtu.be/j6OvYvu9M_c troller promoting themselves to hacker (pt. 2)

[rugged forum]

obvious hacks were used: instant acceleration plus unlimited star hacking after I oddly dc'ed and tried to rejoin the room 🤔

[rugged forum]

also a glimpse of trolling at the end of TC from an earlier race on the top right**

[misty sandal]

Can you relink ivory's reports please

[rugged forum]

? I'm confused

is the link broken?

[misty sandal]

DMs

[wicked blade]

He is hacker.
P1 PID: 1417328790, Name: きっしょ, Area: 19857408, Index: 1, Gender: 0, Skin Tone: 0, Eye Color: 0, Weapon Set ID: 1120, Main Weapon ID: 126, Sub Weapon ID: 9, Special Weapon ID: 1

Sorry, please wait

[bleak solstice]

how recent have you seen them?

[edgy scroll]

this is my call to hop on mk7 and see if I can join this dude

damn the hacker is gone

[wicked blade]

This is just one game.

[misty sandal]

oh the usual JP trolls

they are so gone

[languid musk]

Maybe flashing lights warning on the video.
-# I forgot MK7 flashes with each shock.

[stuck marsh]

^

[languid musk]

My eyes hurt when they get hit with a barrage of lightning.

[stuck marsh]

I made that feature and it got pasted in a closed source plugin

[bleak solstice]

lmao they set their rank to 99

which i have to to "X+"

(they arent cheating, i was in a match earlier and they were legit)

[languid musk]

Safe Hacker

[misty sandal]

it's literally the third time you are doing it

alright, cya when you are console banned

[dense goblet]

Spiiiiiiiiiiiiiin

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dogs-dog-spinning-dog-spinning-in-a-car-dog-in-car-gif-22445358

[misty sandal]

you can format it as many times you want

the console ban is not bypassable

[bleak solstice]

was there trolling/cheating going on

[languid musk]

Don't get so excited.

rule 8

[rotund pasture]

hai

[languid musk]

Why the ban on the console itself?
What did you do first?

[shadow fable]

oh

[astral cairn]

The 3 guys are here lol.

[lament sonnet]

I wasnt that bad, I was just standing in the spawn

[bleak solstice]

i dont release my harmful code for the reason that skids will abuse

[smoky star]

0230-5778-7960

[smoky star]

0230-5778-7960

[barren path]

それ俺だわWW

[edgy scroll]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1234726372329394226.png?quality=lossless&size=128

[smoky star]

https://tenor.com/view/speak-english-pulp-fiction-do-you-speak-it-gif-16440534

[languid musk]

scary

[edgy scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-how-many-times-teach-you-this-lesson-spongebob-squarepants-gif-14501726

[misty sandal]

are you proud of it?

you know you can get banned for it right?

[nimble wing]

Incoming 002-0102 lol

[sand cedar]

002-0102 (3DS/2DS)

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[edgy scroll]

lol

[astral cairn]

Wow, insane behavior.

[smoky star]

hello fellow Frost

[edgy scroll]

its a plugin that shows message latency or something

how long it actually took to send

[bold path]

Spamming shocks?!

Nnid Core

[bold path]

Fr

I'm gonna record this guy

Later when I see him

[edgy scroll]

you can use it on vencord (discord client mod)

its pc only btw

[lament sonnet]

fr

[outer fog]

Can we report 3ds cheaters?

[potent vine]

or wii u cheaters, and yes you can!

make sure to report their PNID for wii u
for 3ds, fc and PID, if you dont know how, download mk7 pid grabber (if you have the game)

[jolly jetty]

For splatoon, also do PID's if you have a modded wii u

[languid musk]

Is there a PID grabber equivalent for games other than MK7 and Splatoon

[potent vine]

not sure

[outer fog]

pid grabber? Okay. Some bad loosers speed boost into me at first place, then use Tanooky and spam it on me, disabling any gameplay.

[jolly jetty]

I mean the MK8 website displays PID's if that counts

[misty sandal]

Download the MK7 PID grabber from universal updater

Record the cheaters

and post evidence and PID here

[outer fog]

Alright

[misty sandal]

I am suspecting these are JP trolls

hacking + trolling?

[outer fog]

Yes

[misty sandal]

which country are the cheaters?

[outer fog]

Oh idk, it was the last time I played it.

[misty sandal]

You can check opponent list

[outer fog]

How do I record again? Is it with the app?

[languid musk]

NTR / NTR HQ

[misty sandal]

capture card or phone

[outer fog]

Okay, I'll do it

[manic dune]

then have fun coding that.

[outer fog]

I lost it.

[misty sandal]

Rip

[potent vine]

how.

[misty sandal]

damn it nvm then if it's too hard

[outer fog]

I got 3 3ds systems and I play mk7 on all

[manic dune]

not hard, time consuming & I have a life to live. the project is open source for a reason, but everyone's sitting on their high horses thinking they can demand one thing after another without doing anything for it

[misty sandal]

It's fine lol, no one is obligating you to add features

asap

[astral cairn]

Add a feature to kick hackers and trollers once they start their bullshit, jk.

[manic dune]

Fetching everyone's ip of all open sessions, and creating a matchmake ddosing tool that opens a million sessions until the servers give up

[jolly jetty]

How about a feature that gives them 002 0102 immediately and then exactly 4 hours and 20 minutes later their 3ds bricks

[astral cairn]

It was joke, but if it were possible to crash them instantly that would be amazing.

[languid musk]

My favorite screen

[potent vine]

soon™️

[astral cairn]

😈

Delicious.

[manic dune]

Can do that for 1.1 users

[potent vine]

how about i tell a person that cheated and got 002-0102 to go to godmode9 and brick their 3ds in there 😊

[sand cedar]

002-0102 (3DS/2DS)

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[potent vine]

(you actually can brick your 3ds using godmode9)

[languid musk]

you cant do it normally iirc, you have to use a fork of godmode9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up96ARff5F0

[misty sandal]

You can brick with regular Godmode9

the fork makes it faster

[misty sandal]

You have to really try

[potent vine]

no thanks i dont wanna brick my 3ds

[languid musk]

How do you even know this

[nimble wing]

I don't think it stops you from manually hexexiting FIRM0 and FIRM1 to invalid garbage that results in that error
Haven't tried though, for obvious reasons

[misty sandal]

Edit your NAND

[potent vine]

how

[timber crystal]

least relevant title in the saga?

[languid musk]

you can just save a Sakurai mii to your console through spotpass? i had no idea that was a feature

[timber crystal]

everyone should try to beat this time!

[languid musk]

installing nand backups is fun

[timber crystal]

u can with any notifs that had miis attatched to them

theres a reggie notification too

[languid musk]

no its sakurai watching you through the gamepad

[timber crystal]

yes. and for some reason they enjoy u punching them 😢

[languid musk]

bullying.

[languid musk]

this makes me miss the 3ds wii u era again
they would never do cool stuff like this anymore 😦

[jolly jetty]

Unfortunately i dont have cool notifications i only have the ones like the eshop closing announcement

Though i do on my 2ds (the kirby planet robobot demo and new soup 2 dlc)

[open basalt]

was this already on your wii u or did you mod that in? i’m really curious to know how you did that lol

[reef sandal]

Hackers when they cheat:

[cunning geode]

https://tenor.com/view/asdf-movie-punt-kick-donewiththis-gif-26537188

[smoky star]

https://tenor.com/view/killed-em-hold-this-stabbed-gif-14017151

[slender zephyr]

British People:

[languid musk]

average day in london

[bold path]

Wait this is why right?

Ip ban this man😭

[astral cairn]

It's a possibility. I did say before they hacked as well.

[bold path]

Crazy

[languid musk]

What do people even gain from doing this? It's not fun

[languid musk]

ip bans are useless

Wiimmfi has a system to block VPNs though which is kinda cringe, as that stops others from playing who have a VPN set up on their router/device without them knowing

You see kicks all the time on the wiimmfi website for that

[slender zephyr]

Sometimes you need a vpn to play because of bad nat types. I certainly do when i am cellular.

And you're isp can certainly not do anything about the NAT types

[misty sandal]

They have it to make it easier finding ban evaders playing on another Wii

[misty sandal]

Wiimmfi can make exceptions

[bold path]

Making Nintendo add another seizure warning

[misty sandal]

if you dont have any choice you can somehow tell them that you need a VPN

[slender zephyr]

oh that's cool then+

[dull nimbus]

actually thats why?

couldn't you just... ban the console instead of the IP?

[languid musk]

They do both, or just the console. I'm unsure

[slender zephyr]

both

[languid musk]

Set up a hotspot on mobile data for a free ip address that isnt connected to a VPN

I'm not advocating for cheating on Wiimmfi at all btw, thats a bad thing to do

[misty sandal]

I am assuming they notice if you are on the same IP

To ban your other console

if you are evading a ban

They won't let you use another console while you are banned

[languid musk]

If anyone watches beanzard on Youtube he got banned from Wiimmfi for doing a challenge where he removes a button everytime he wins a race. He got banned for "disrupting gameplay" or something along those lines.

Isnt that a bit much?

You're not hurting anyone by losing they'll just gain more VR.

[misty sandal]

It's against the rules

There is a reason why

Road to 1 VR is not allowed because you can manipulate others in losing more VR than intended

[slender zephyr]

it's also bannable on pretendo iirc.

[languid musk]

I guess its somewhat similar to that

It is the wiimmfi moderators decision after all. Not that I really agree with it though

[bold path]

Hunting for idiots

[bold path]

Especially him

That would be the jackpot

[languid musk]

Theres already enough evidence for that

also its 5 in the morning for Japan I doubt any of them would be playing at the moment

[languid musk]

They already revealed themselves.

[bold path]

Well I want to catch him because why not

No reason, just for fun I guess

He's back

Peter

[languid musk]

was that a speed hacker

[bold path]

Yes

[languid musk]

u want me to join to collect footage? or can you handle it

[bold path]

I think I can

He's playing dk

And Whoever Elias is

Is going faster than him

Oh

He's the one speed hacking

Look at that

[digital swift]

component ban?

idk

[languid musk]

You mean a HWID ban?

[languid musk]

Nice lamp

[bold path]

And he hacked his vr

[digital swift]

yeah

[bold path]

Thanks

Oh wait nvm

[languid musk]

Pretendo doesnt ban for that

[bold path]

But that's definitely speed hacking

Even if he was good

[languid musk]

agreed

[bold path]

He wouldn't be going that fast

[languid musk]

It looked like he was trying to be subtle with it too
but it never really works

[bold path]

Also I remember a person with the mii named Elias saying that they got banned

They made a thread

[astral cairn]

I played against them the other day.

[misty sandal]

You can lose on purpose on Pretendo

We are relaxed here

just don't be annoying and troll other players

[bold path]

Well now he's hacking

[languid musk]

I think I did too but they were playing normal

[astral cairn]

They weren't hacking then, but stuff changes lol.

[languid musk]

I searched for users on the Pretendo server named Elias and there was 2 that spoke recently

[misty sandal]

And that's another 002-0102

[bold path]

Yes that

Him

That's the guy

[misty sandal]

Ofc the hacker is french too

[astral cairn]

They were actually pretty good. To think they're hacking now.

[languid musk]

I looked on their channel and found a mii that looked VERY similar (and spoke french.)

[misty sandal]

could be or not be the same elias

[cursive ore]

Elias is a well known hacker on mkwii (altwfc) when it was still open

[astral cairn]

That must be them.

[cursive ore]

I know he used to cheat a bit on mk7

But i also know that a lot of people like to use his mii

[bold path]

Well now he's cooked

Oh

[misty sandal]

LMAO

[cursive ore]

like i've seen tons of people using his mii over différents mk games

[languid musk]

Infact they spoke almost 2 hours ago

[cursive ore]

@cunning geode hey petite question c'était toi a ce moment ? Sa te soupçonne de triche sur mk7 la

[astral cairn]

Oopsy whoopsy, you'll be receiving a 002-0102 soon.

[sand cedar]

002-0102 (3DS/2DS)

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[cursive ore]

can't be saying that with no official proof it's actually him

this thread is very funny because people keep accusing each other all the time without even knowing if it's the real person on the other side

[bold path]

Speak up buddy

[cursive ore]

some people got miss accused and even created fake mii's to try to ban people.

[cunning geode]

Yo je viens de voir et ce qu'il appelle speed hack est simplement le fait que je fais les mini turbos

[bold path]

Oop he's typing

[languid musk]

I wouldnt recommend randomly @ing people though. Let the mods handle that

[cursive ore]

MDRRRR NAAAAN

[misty sandal]

Rule 8 btw

[languid musk]

"Yo I just saw and what he calls speed hack is simply the fact that I do the mini turbos"
probably a mistranslation

[bold path]

No way in hell

[cunning geode]

Oh sorry

[cursive ore]

no it's the correct translation

[misty sandal]

Were you the one in the video

[bold path]

Pretty sure he was

[ionic kayak]

Bet

[languid musk]

Theres also a video of him cheating online in mk8d lol

[cursive ore]

that's not the subject rn is it ?

[languid musk]

I was just pointing it out

[cursive ore]

many people tried cheat and like to cheat in some games. I doesn't mean they do it all the time

i cheated on nintendo network a lot and yet i've never cheated a single time in a public match on Pretendo Network

[cunning geode]

Yes

[cunning geode]

2 years

Custom Tracks MK8D

[cursive ore]

Ngl it serms like everyone going the same speed if you compare the peter mii and elias mii they are just very far from each other but i'm not the greatest mk7 player ever so lol

[misty sandal]

I think that video is not obvious

we need to know if that speed is possible

[cursive ore]

I mean isn't that like a replay mode kind of spectator mod

like is that really accurate for speed ?

[bold path]

What

[misty sandal]

I really dont see too much speed hacking

we need a legit gameplay to compare

with same kart combo and 10 coins

[cursive ore]

nobody is gonna ever do that lol

[languid musk]

We dont know the coin count

[cunning geode]

Sorry if the video is not well framed because it is difficult to film and play at the same time

[cursive ore]

Understandable

[bold path]

That one BC race I thought you were hacking but ig not

[cursive ore]

seems like you see hackers everywhere

[languid musk]

Case closed then? I wasn't trying to point fingers earlier and if i did, sorry.

[misty sandal]

I will relay the report anyways but.... i think it's not cheating

[cunning geode]

Yesterday I saw several

[cursive ore]

this game is filled up with cheaters everywhere. I can understand their suspicion regarding your gameplay but regardless of that. me to you cheating on pretendo is so dumb isn't it ?

[cunning geode]

I don't know what you think of my point of view

[bold path]

Well I'm off to find an actual hacker then

[misty sandal]

That you are not cheating

i am relaying just so we can analyze the video anyways

[ionic kayak]

Wasn’t there a time where there was 51 hacker reports on mk7 under 1 day or am just misremembering

[misty sandal]

not to get you banned

[bold path]

There was?

[cursive ore]

there's hacker report everyday for this game

[ionic kayak]

I think

[cursive ore]

I can't imagine the amount of banned 3ds out there

[misty sandal]

Still more hackers on mk7 than splatoon

To this day

[cursive ore]

and there's probably some of them on sale on ebay as of right now which is even more sad

[bold path]

1000+

I imagine

[cunning geode]

Moderators and developers don't have time to get bored with all these reports

[cursive ore]

Splatoon cheating reduced when some japanese player started getting banned. They relayed the information on twitter quickly

so it reduced the amount of cheater in public games

[misty sandal]

We have a lot to go through so this video wont waste too much time

dont worry it's 99% likely this is an invalid report

[languid musk]

Whats different about Mario Kart 7 then?

[cursive ore]

Nobody talk about it

the cheaters are randoms

just people that hack their 3ds

go on uu

download the plugin

Cheat

[misty sandal]

Like.... OMG looks like YOU CAN get BANNED from PRETENDO, for.... CHEATING???

[cunning geode]

No worries

[cursive ore]

Splatoon hacking is different the code list is a bit harder to find than going directly on the console

and cheats are a bit more "gatekeeped"

For the wiiu

[bold path]

"DiD I geT baNneD?!"

[misty sandal]

And we can actually use it not to ban you but to learn what's legitimate gameplay and what's not

[cursive ore]

no but like it's not the 102-2814 that can easily be bypassable

[sand cedar]

102-2814 (Wii U)

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[misty sandal]

that code is changing

a dev posted an issue about it

[languid musk]

Deleting this for now to not give them attention

[cursive ore]

on pretendo it's usually 102-2812 directly

[sand cedar]

102-2812 (Wii U)

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[misty sandal]

2814 for PNID ban

[cursive ore]

they are everywhere anyway

[misty sandal]

Which will be changed to 2802

[cursive ore]

not like deleting this would change anything

Just open mk7 this game is full of cheater and that's sad ngl

[misty sandal]

Still better than last summer

[cursive ore]

can't even vr grind without any issues and ctgp 7 is just so full of tryhards

[misty sandal]

or after NN shutdown

[cursive ore]

[languid musk]

atleast CTGP-7 has anticheat though.

[misty sandal]

You can still get banned on ctgp 7

[cursive ore]

Nah but like how do yall have this much free time to report this many hackers

[misty sandal]

for trolling

[cursive ore]

that's actually insane

[misty sandal]

Tbh these reports make a huge difference

[bold path]

It's actually pretty boring finding a room with nobody to like report

[misty sandal]

So you play to report hackers?

LOL

[cursive ore]

I know and i'm glad they are actually caring enough to report the cheaters

[bold path]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-movie-kinda-bowser-sorta-kind-of-gif-5534863482778330194

[cunning geode]

I should get back to CTGP7, it's been a while since I touched it

[misty sandal]

STS Silver has so much fun reporting hackers on stream lol

[cursive ore]

Dang be careful tho i was trying to do the same for splatoon and now whenever a player is just too good i suspect them ti cheat lol

[languid musk]

It's important to keep pretendo clean and MK7 has a good online mode in general

[cursive ore]

Japanese community hate this dude. I've seen some discord chat where they just insult him for reporting them

not the whole community but a small part of cheater

[languid musk]

I've been trying to reach 10k VR to unlock the gold kart
and then I would also have 20k vr on mk8d and 10k on mk7

[misty sandal]

The Japanese community (dw Japanese players, if you are not part of it you are cool ❤️ ) is so toxic

[cursive ore]

i don't have these chats anymore because i can't remember where i saw them but i've seen them Somewhere for sure

[cursive ore]

The issue is that they mainly pay for their cheat

[bold path]

I was on with him one day

And nothing

[cursive ore]

even tho most of them are free on uu

[misty sandal]

They pay.... to cheat????

[bold path]

Lmao

[languid musk]

Paying for cheats on replacement servers is kinda weird ngl

[misty sandal]

so buying another 3DS is basically nothing for them

[cursive ore]

Yea that's a huge case for Minecraft wiiu especially

[misty sandal]

judt weird?

[cursive ore]

they pay cheats

[misty sandal]

no it's just sad

[languid musk]

Both. you're right

[misty sandal]

ruining online experience on a revival service

[cursive ore]

pay for like custom cheat clients ingame and stuff

[languid musk]

Which this is why minecraft wii u edition might never have public minigames

[misty sandal]

Anyways these Japanese players will be gone

Give them time

until they get enough PID bans

[bold path]

Basically some pc players do that too

[languid musk]

People pay for IP grabbers

[bold path]

And get a virus because of it

[misty sandal]

Minecraft Hacked Clients right

[cunning geode]

Pay to take the risk of losing your online

[bold path]

Yeah

[misty sandal]

Especially clients for 2b2t

Where cheating is a requirement

because there are no rules

[languid musk]

and have a good chance to have malware

[bold path]

Especially the ones on yt

[languid musk]

the oldest anarchy server in minecraft

[cursive ore]

Paid pc cheats are way more common than video games paid cheat

[bold path]

You know the ones I'm talking about

[cunning geode]

I'm back in your mk7 room

[bold path]

Free fortnite hack 2024

[cursive ore]

i know PlayStation and xbox modmenu are starting to get paid only because of the amount of dangerous cheat that can be inside the modmenu for like cod and such

[languid musk]

the older cod games have already been ruined for many years
you can do all the chaos for free

[cursive ore]

true but some people want more chaos

[misty sandal]

People complain about Wiimmfi bans but..... is the gameplay clean there?

[cursive ore]

Ik some xbox modmenu for jtag xbox have a feature to send a host migration pop up that crash the victim console

[cursive ore]

Never seen a single cheater because the anticheat is doing it's job on Mkwii

been banned like 15 times for invalid vr count

[bold path]

You'd be surprised

[misty sandal]

I am seeing more bans for trolling one lap behind than cheating

[bold path]

I got banned thrice

[cursive ore]

have you seen the ban of the youtuber BeanMk or something that's ridiculous

[misty sandal]

did you hack vr

[languid musk]

mrbean35000vr? or beanzard?

[misty sandal]

Controller challenge?

[cursive ore]

On another server but the code randomize my vr for every licenses

[misty sandal]

they were basically losing on purpose almost

[bold path]

Nah but I've seen RyanU

[misty sandal]

At the end

[cursive ore]

Yea where he remove a button when he win or something

[misty sandal]

i see why they banned them even if it's a bit too far

It's just 24 hours anyways

[bold path]

@cunning geode is that 9999999 player you?

[cursive ore]

But i mean loosing on purpose isn't really disrupting anyone gameplay 😭 not like he was trying to hack or something

[misty sandal]

It is in MKWii

[cursive ore]

Wiimmfi ban make no sense sometimes

[cunning geode]

im elias

[misty sandal]

the VR system is very different there

you could do it on purpose

Just to win later with low VR

[languid musk]

How do you even troll a lap behind? You get disconnected for going to far back, unless that isnt a thing in mkwii?

[cursive ore]

That's why i just v-unlock to 9900 everytime

[bold path]

There was a player from france

[misty sandal]

And making others losing more VR

[cursive ore]

Mf when anti-dc code

[slender zephyr]

saw in the ban history with 4 + 3 automatic offenses because of bad mii/names only get 2 week ban

[cursive ore]

Who me?

[languid musk]

Didnt think about that but I assumed that would get you banned aswell

[misty sandal]

Basically how JP trolls are doing it in MK7?

[bold path]

Using ur combo

[cursive ore]

never used an offensive mii name in my entire life

[slender zephyr]

no wiimmfi ban history

[misty sandal]

hitting players one lap behind

[bold path]

I've done it one with a squad/trio

[languid musk]

you just slowly move forward each lap?

[bold path]

We all got banned

[misty sandal]

You basically go slow on purpose to stay on lap 1

[cursive ore]

That is more likely not detectable

[misty sandal]

and hit others in lap 2 while you are on lap 1

That's trolling and it has happened here too

[languid musk]

on wiimmfi?

[cursive ore]

but funny enough the code to make your kart auto drive in mkwii is patched on wiimmfi

[bold path]

Yep

[cursive ore]

It just doesn't work on wiimmfi

Work on other servers but not wiimmfi

[misty sandal]

Pretendo will try to be more relaxed anyways

those bans wont be a thing here

[cunning geode]

XD

[languid musk]

Will there be official rules implemented for games at some point? For juxt too.

[bold path]

Luckily I won't be doing that here

[misty sandal]

we are still defining what's trolling and what's not

to not false ban

[slender zephyr]

7 times.

[misty sandal]

I have seen that ban

[languid musk]

I like browsing wiimmfi bans every once in a while they're funny

[misty sandal]

To do it 7 times you must me an idiot

[misty sandal]

See you never again!

[slender zephyr]

it's dumber that it isn't a permanent one at this point

[cunning geode]

Yes still in perma ban

[bold path]

Hey

[misty sandal]

i think it's because first offense is 3 minutes

[bold path]

Uhj

[misty sandal]

eventually it will be perma

[bold path]

Me too

[misty sandal]

1 or 2 more offenses

[languid musk]

they probably just are confused why they cant get in
I dont think wiimmfi has custom ban messages?

[misty sandal]

23917

it's a custom error code

[languid musk]

would that only show on CTGP

[misty sandal]

Instead of original 20102

Wiimmfi is also closed source

Pretendo is open source

[astral cairn]

I do because they're dumb enough to comeback and think they're actually accomplishing something.

[bold path]

1 more year baby

[misty sandal]

Keep doing it ^^

[languid musk]

probably for the better

[misty sandal]

Lets make the gameplay clean

[slender zephyr]

tbf to wiimmfi they have pretty good anti-cheat

[misty sandal]

I would just keep the anticheat closed source

[bold path]

February

[misty sandal]

or any sensitive stuff

[cursive ore]

Ok what does that word even mean (i'm french)

[misty sandal]

the server being open source is cool imo

[languid musk]

British slang

[cunning geode]

ggs

[astral cairn]

I shall, and it's funny to watch them bitch on Twitter. 🤭

[slender zephyr]

though if you want to see WFC open source implementations see AltWFC or WiiLink WFC

[bold path]

GG

[bold path]

Newwfc

Dolphin

Is that open source?

[slender zephyr]

iirc newwfc is just a rehosted altwfc

[cunning geode]

WiiLink WFC may be the successor to Wiimmfi

[misty sandal]

Yeah i think newwfc is just a fork

[slender zephyr]

dolphin netplay works totally diffrent

[misty sandal]

there are other wfc servers forking from altwfc

[cursive ore]

Altwfc is technically closed now buuuut we can now bypass the error :)

[cunning geode]

RIP AltWFC

[misty sandal]

Yeah, and guess what

[slender zephyr]

the server is open source

[bold path]

I've been playing all of the alt wfcs

[misty sandal]

FIFA 08 NDS works on WiiLink WFC

[cursive ore]

accessing alt on mkwii is still possible as of today.

[cunning geode]

Oh

[misty sandal]

But not on Wiimmfi

[slender zephyr]

https://github.com/barronwaffles/dwc_network_server_emulator

[misty sandal]

You get 23922 if you try

[bold path]

Just waiting to get the hammer off of myself

[cursive ore]

There just need to use a bypass code for that lol.

[misty sandal]

WiiLink WFC has custom ban codes too

22002 and 22003

22002 is a ban from all services

[cursive ore]

YEA WAIT I GOT BANNED ONCE LEMME FIND THE PICTURE

[misty sandal]

and 22003 just from a game

[misty sandal]

ARE YOU SERIOUS

YOU GOT BANNED???

[bold path]

Same

Twice

Mii name and hacking

[slender zephyr]

it will take a long time for that happen

[misty sandal]

What did you guys did

[misty sandal]

But why

[bold path]

Luckily it wasn't perma

[bold path]

Because fun

[slender zephyr]

wiimmfi has been around for about 10 years now. it isn't happning anytime soon-

[misty sandal]

Bruh

What did you do

[cursive ore]

i got unbanned a few mins later because i said that what i was doing wasn't in the rules at all

[cursive ore]

I used a code to always stay at 0vr

It was when it was still in early beta phase so there wasn't any rules

[slender zephyr]

i just realized wiimmfi is older then what it replaced-

[cursive ore]

even moderator ingame were chill and joking about it

but they still banned me and unbanned me 5min later

[misty sandal]

so it was a false ban

can you still go 0vr?

[cursive ore]

there's a vr autoban now

[bold path]

I got banned for like 25 mins

[cursive ore]

I logged in with 2k vr and got kicked

it kick you until you have a valid vr amount

[misty sandal]

they dont ban at all right?

[cursive ore]

So probably 3-9999k

[cursive ore]

they do

[misty sandal]

For VR i mean

[cursive ore]

but not for vr

i mean

[misty sandal]

what about invalid regions

Just kicked i assume

[cursive ore]

Pretty sure there isn't any region except the retrorewind thing

[misty sandal]

What if you put inappropriate name

do they autoban?

[cursive ore]

i could try to see

[misty sandal]

Even this PNID should be bannable on WiiLink WFC

iirc

[cursive ore]

i remember someone called f"ggot (idk if this word is logged by the pretendo automod thing) and they didn't got banned before reporting

[misty sandal]

That word is a 28d timeout

you got close

[cursive ore]

Holy shit

[bold path]

I logged in with ass

[cursive ore]

lol

I'm actually amazed about how i got away with that pnid ngl

jon didn't seemed to care when i even had to create a support thread with that pnid lol.

[slender zephyr]

THIS HAPPENED SO FAST HOLY SHIT I JUST CAPTURED THIS OUT OF THE CORNER OF MY EYE

[misty sandal]

I am confused why are allowing this PNID

[cursive ore]

Probably because it's funny

[misty sandal]

if this is allowed then swears are fine?

[cursive ore]

I'm also gatekeeping some other swears pnid that will never log into a console ever

[languid musk]

aint no way

[cursive ore]

Since everything go through in the pnid creation process

[misty sandal]

I claimed 002-0102

and 022-2812

[cursive ore]

Even impossible nnid at the time like ______ i think it went through for a cheater

[cursive ore]

8 underscore

[misty sandal]

Who is the cheater here

[slender zephyr]

very long japanese name

[cursive ore]

Video ain't loading up for me

[slender zephyr]

you can see it very shortly

[misty sandal]

Ofc it's another JP

[half owl]

actually its requires to be reviewed by a mod

[half owl]

no the actual punishment is not 28d

[misty sandal]

Dont you get a 28d timeout tho before we remove it

[half owl]

yeah but thats so we can review it to either ban or to take off the timeout

[misty sandal]

thought so

[slender zephyr]

i saw him moving for like 1 frame in the intro cutscene one blink and i would've missed it

[misty sandal]

still better not saying words that are worth a long timeout

[slender zephyr]

i wasn't mentally prepared for this lol

[cursive ore]

Wtf is wrong with this viddo

[half owl]

also i thought it was 29

[misty sandal]

28d is the maximum possible

[slender zephyr]

it's x264 encoded should work

[half owl]

really. huh

[misty sandal]

you can go from 10 seconds to 28 days

[cursive ore]

crashed my chrome and camera roll app

[slender zephyr]

aight lemme do handbrake

[cursive ore]

no no

I installed vlc and it worked

what in the actual fuck i thought ending a match by cheat was only possible for ranked

atleast that the only cheat i have lol.

[slender zephyr]

too late

[ionic kayak]

What

[cursive ore]

my phone might be having a seizure or something because it's still not showing anything for me lmao

I watched it anyway

[ionic kayak]

How did it end

[slender zephyr]

cheetah

[cursive ore]

bad ending

They won anyway

[slender zephyr]

this might be record for fastet win in splatoon ever for me

even if cheetah caused it

[cursive ore]

fighting the urge to hop on splatoon rn (it's 11:42pm and i have school tomorrow)

[slender zephyr]

i have work tommorrow and gotta get out of bed at 6:15am

[cursive ore]

Gotta get out of bed at the same time lol

[slender zephyr]

anyway these japanese sure got good gaming chairs

[languid musk]

The Japanese are just better at video games

[slender zephyr]

so good the match ends early

it's like the game said, give up bro you ain't standing a chance

i should submit this to speedrun.com and see if they accept it

Splatoon 1 TW any%

[bold path]

Why is peter always dk

[misty sandal]

Still waiting for the PNID

to relay

[languid musk]

can you even view recent opponents on cemu?

I know you can dump your friends list but it doesnt really work in the background like it does on the wii u

[slender zephyr]

cemu

[languid musk]

i figured

[slender zephyr]

gotta start uploading the recording of hackers i have to yt and make a playlist out of it

[misty sandal]

Wasnt that tool released?

@cursive ore

[cursive ore]

HUH

Ask Javi i do not made this tool

[misty sandal]

https://github.com/javiig8/Splatheap-PID-Tool

[slender zephyr]

yeah but not binary that works yet

[misty sandal]

they deleted the release

Will be fixed eventually ofc i am assuming

[cursive ore]

Wasn't it because it only showed your pid

And other pid weren't showing or something

[timber crystal]

no

if u compile it urself it works

but i have to fix smth

[cursive ore]

i did and it only showed my pid

[languid musk]

i would check it on archive.org buuuuuuuuuut

[cursive ore]

that's why i'm wondering if that wasn't the issue lol

[slender zephyr]

can you compile quickly, i don't have a windows system at hand.
idc if it isn't one file

[timber crystal]

did u even play a match first

[cursive ore]

Oh

[timber crystal]

i am most comfortable at bed!

[timber crystal]

katsu do it

[cursive ore]

i can't rn 😞

[slender zephyr]

😭 don't you have some build ready to dm me quickly

i wanted to test it with wine and windows cemu anyway

[timber crystal]

no

[cursive ore]

i litterally tried today at school because my computer wasn't powerful enough

[timber crystal]

uhm okay

i will get out of bed just for u😡😡

[languid musk]

is it possible to increase the resolution on cemu?

[slender zephyr]

thank

[slender zephyr]

yes graphic packs

[languid musk]

are they game specific

[slender zephyr]

yes

[languid musk]

I am the one who ended this match in an instant.
I accidentally entered the match with the cheat that ends the match in an instant enabled.
Even if it was a mistake, I still used a cheat, so I hope for any punishment.

[slender zephyr]

why the hell do i still have the among us sticker

[slender zephyr]

just send you're pnid here

@misty sandal

or @half owl

[misty sandal]

how many matches have you ended like that

[languid musk]

Once

[timber crystal]

it has the needed dependencies to run

[languid musk]

People taking responsibility is always nice

[cursive ore]

Yea

[misty sandal]

i am giving you a second chance then, don't do it again

[slender zephyr]

yea i respect honesty

[misty sandal]

i appreciate you were honest

[timber crystal]

just keep the exe the dll and the json in the same directory, u can make a shortcut for it if u want but!

[cursive ore]

Remove the json and the dll trust me.

[languid musk]

Thank you so much and I will try not to make this mistake again.

[slender zephyr]

first i gotta set up dotnet6 on wine

greaaaat

[timber crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/white-people-white-people-dancing-dancing-meme-white-people-when-gif-27164260

[barren path]

いとがそう神

[timber crystal]

whatever this means, YES!

unless it means something bad.

[barren path]

なんだ今の

[cursive ore]

Itagasou God

[timber crystal]

what even is wine

[cursive ore]

Here for all the non japanese speaker out here

[barren path]

14…

[languid musk]

it lets you run apps meant for windows on linux

[timber crystal]

woah!

[languid musk]

I think so? I've never tried linux

[slender zephyr]

steam uses it to make games work

that's why the steamdeck succeeded

well it does run just can't find cemu.exe

[timber crystal]

@slender zephyr https://github.com/vanilla-wiiu/vanilla have u tried this

[barren path]

https://x.com/datuprokusoge/status/1844282131901710485?s=46

てるあ (@datuprokusoge) on X

キモ

Twitter · Oct 10, 2024, 7:41 AM

[cursive ore]

vanilla

[slender zephyr]

from mattkc the gamepad emulator

yes

[timber crystal]

make sure its called Cemu.exe

nothing else

oh right

.exe

LOL!

what should it be called on linux

[slender zephyr]

i am using the windows build of cemu

on wine sooooooooo

[timber crystal]

so the process is still cemu.exe?

[slender zephyr]

yes

[timber crystal]

most odd.

anyway

am going to sleep

[slender zephyr]

i think i know what's going on

[timber crystal]

what

[slender zephyr]

i am using proton instead of wine native, and proton allows only one proccess per pfx

[timber crystal]

idk what any of that means but good luck!!!!

cya

[slender zephyr]

I'LL MAKE THIS WORK !!!!!

@timber crystal it works half-way

it stubs the button for some reason

[misty sandal]

Can you speak english for of all

[slender zephyr]

i don't wanna install windows 😭😭

[misty sandal]

Hope you are reading this

Sayonara and see you never again

[astral cairn]

They really think something is being accomplished.

That hoe did it to himself.

[bleak solstice]

what the fuck????

how

[misty sandal]

at least they apologised

i gave them a second chance

[bleak solstice]

yeah i mean

that didnt hurt anyone other than waste time

but still, what the fuck?????????

[misty sandal]

very impressive cheat tho

[bleak solstice]

i couldve sworn thats not possible in turf war

it's good they apologized for it, as long as it doesnt happen again it's gucci

[slender zephyr]

At first it looks like a standard splatoon hacker then 0.1 seconds later it's like wait what

[ionic kayak]

Probably a force end cheat

[bleak solstice]

nothing like that should exist for turf

[ionic kayak]

For a second I though it was ranked

[bleak solstice]

were they host?

[slender zephyr]

I don't know didn't catch, but very likely I can't think of any other reason how they did it.

[misty sandal]

It's a false report

i dont see them speed hacking

[bold path]

Oh hi buddy!

[slender zephyr]

@bleak solstice i basically captured this last second when i happened to saw something moving for 1 frame in the cutscenes intro.

If i had blinked i would have missed the entire thing

[misty sandal]

They are banned now

from here

[bold path]

I'm assuming they were the one spamming shocks?

[misty sandal]

Yes

[nimble wing]

Account was literally younger than Zelda Echoes of Wisdom
It was obviously a troll

[misty sandal]

LMAO

[ionic kayak]

This had me laughing for 2 minutes

[slender zephyr]

At least the guy manned up to his responsibility. Also i just noticed from the like what 10 hackers i encountered on Pretendo they all were on my team.

[dull nimbus]

i dunno whats worse. this guy retweeting NSFW art on his account. or him being racist 💀

[smoky star]

I'd say racism is worse

[astral cairn]

I already know it's racism towards me because they keep getting exposed.

[balmy pawn]

Theres a hacker in turf

He's just flying around idk his ign he's just on the enemy team tho

??Tyler??

That's his ign

[jolly jetty]

Record and get their PID or PNID

[balmy pawn]

Can't really record

[jolly jetty]

(I cant hop on to find them myself)

[lament sonnet]

im here

Say me the nickname

[balmy pawn]

??Tyler?? but yk the question marks in the box cuz he's using silly symbols

[lament sonnet]

Okay thanks

Are you with him in a match or lobby?

rn?

[slender zephyr]

Consider getting a capture card with passthrough and then record using obs

[balmy pawn]

Lobby but he just left

He's back

[balmy pawn]

Yeahh all that just to catch hackers

Honestly good idea

[slender zephyr]

There are cheap CapCards

[balmy pawn]

I might

What one do you recommend

[lament sonnet]

Im in

[languid musk]

are they worth it
i just need 1080p at minimum

[balmy pawn]

Just one more

[slender zephyr]

I use this one https://amzn.eu/d/i4D21nN from ugreen

Mostly for my switch but works as intended

36 bucks

[balmy pawn]

He really left

[lament sonnet]

He crashed XD

[languid musk]

cant find an equivalent for the us version of the website but i guess any will do

[balmy pawn]

Imagine crashing to your own hacks

[slender zephyr]

Importance is it needs a hdmi passthrough otherwise you add latency

[lament sonnet]

I have the PID i only need the record

[smoky star]

think its G. Tyler?

[lament sonnet]

Yeah probably

[languid musk]

lol this one literally has mario kart 7 on it

[lament sonnet]

G Tyler his current (newest) account is Tyler24

Before that it was Tyler64

[jolly jetty]

So a repeater

[lament sonnet]

I think it's a different Tyler

Recording

Yeah cheating

Flying bruh

@dull nimbus I have a cheater for you :D

[languid musk]

you dont need to ping him

[lament sonnet]

Ik

[quasi sedge]

Can’t wait to record MK7 for the PS4!!!!

[smoky star]

mmmyes mk7 for the nintendo station 4

[stuck obsidian]

😭😭😭😭😭😭

[smoky star]

timeline if nintendo didn't backstab sony with philips cdi

[lament sonnet]

PID Hex: 50692BD6 (1349069782)

[languid musk]

https://tenor.com/view/rollinsafari-roundanimals-cheetah-gazelle-chase-gif-3521738

o0OH Cheetahs

this will be ai in 2024

[smoky star]

Tyler

[lament sonnet]

Creation time: Fri, 04 Oct 2024 22:42:16 GMT 🤔

[stuck obsidian]

A whole ass kid cheating on pretendo network

That’s actually crazy

[lament sonnet]

Pretendo moment

Im not sure if its worth banning your WiiU permanent just for an hour of fun

[stuck obsidian]

What I do

[dull nimbus]

relayed. thanks.

[lament sonnet]

I mean tyler

[stuck obsidian]

Oh 😭

[lament sonnet]

You not you are cool!

[lament sonnet]

Btw thanks again for the follow pointers

[fiery tangle]

Found this guy. Like, why hack in ranked? 😦
At least we beat them :/

[bleak solstice]

bruh

[lament sonnet]

PID?

[fiery tangle]

What does PID mean?

[languid musk]

principal id

basically something that can easily identify a person

[lament sonnet]

His search history “Splatoon 1 free cheat codes download”

[lament sonnet]

Nvm this guy is already reportet

[fiery tangle]

sigh I was in a match with them again, but this time they were on my team, and they are so bad. Like if they hack, why not use an invincibility hack and insta kill hack...?

[bleak solstice]

in ranked?

[fiery tangle]

Yes.

[ionic kayak]

Pretendo network ID

[bleak solstice]

thats PNID.

PID is principal ID.

[ionic kayak]

Gets confusing because of the P

[bleak solstice]

the internal ID

anyways i just left a ranked game

didnt see tyler

apologies as i accidentally pressed select and activated debug move. thats why i dc'd instantly

[fiery tangle]

I was also in a ranked match, but I don't think you were in the same one, as I saw no DC. But yeah, I think Tyler was banned, as he was not in my lobby either.

[quasi sedge]

Splatoon 1 jecko U cheat codes download no crash no virus

[bright trench]

we won anyways😂

[ionic kayak]

Bans don’t happen that fast

[lament sonnet]

fr

[fiery tangle]

Oh hi Sadcore, I think we were in the same lobby.

[bleak solstice]

gg lol

[bright trench]

name?

[quasi sedge]

HHC

[bleak solstice]

i was with a blank name

[bright trench]

ye i saw

[quasi sedge]

[bleak solstice]

i debug moved down and died at the death plane lolol

[lament sonnet]

I think tyler is in turf

[bleak solstice]

before it even started

ill check turf in a sec

[fiery tangle]

Wait, how did you... Huh?

[quasi sedge]

No clue why but this just reminded me about the kcl thing you pitched a while back

[bleak solstice]

oh yeah that would be so awesome to have finished

[quasi sedge]

Your video of a cheater had the results screen, and your name showed, thats how I know 😅 sorry if that confused you

[quasi sedge]

About to be on fall break soon, I’ll see if I can’t get that working or at least farther along

[fiery tangle]

Oh yeah. I am stupid XD
I thought you just assumed it because of my Discord name.

[lament sonnet]

@quasi sedge G Tyler is online XDDD

[quasi sedge]

Ohh no lol 😅 although, I did connect the HHC from the video to HEATHAZECHRIS lol

[quasi sedge]

Ooo a funny guy

[lament sonnet]

He is in the menu

[quasi sedge]

Wait what menu

[lament sonnet]

Home Menu

Now in Miiverse

Oh no

[bleak solstice]

the cheater isnt on rn?

[lament sonnet]

I think not

[quasi sedge]

Wait do u have him friended 🍿

[lament sonnet]

He added me

[quasi sedge]

LOLL

[lament sonnet]

Tyler24 before it was Tyler64 😭

[bright trench]

wow he didnt add me :/

[quasi sedge]

😔

[lament sonnet]

Poor guy

[ionic kayak]

Why

[quasi sedge]

@ mod-ping I am reporting a man of debugging

[ionic kayak]

😪

[quasi sedge]

Oh

Nvm its gone now

[manic dune]

someone report this guy

thought i replied to the wrong thing lol

[quasi sedge]

Wait srs?

[ionic kayak]

What

[quasi sedge]

Im too tired to tell 😭😭😭

[manic dune]

I mean even if he uses it for hackers i don't think it should be okay for him to just join lobbies and fly around

but yeah I'm joking. still raising concern abt that

[ionic kayak]

Oh you

[manic dune]

I just want to fly around in MK7 lobbies too

[quasi sedge]

I get that yea, if he was just flying around Id be pinging imora like crazy

[manic dune]

either everyone's allowed to derp around as long no one gets a disadvantage or advantage or no one.

[lament sonnet]

Banning kiddies is funny

[bleak solstice]

im not rlly flying around

its just there in case someone is cheating

[quasi sedge]

Yes! Youre next

[bleak solstice]

im mostly just sitting back and them disconnecting after 30 secs - 1 min and avoiding being attacked

if i see something up i'll obviously do something. but if not, i just leave

i was explicitly told i was ok to go after em if i see anyone doing fishy stuff (no pun intended)
and encouraged multiple times

but if this ever changes then thats fine by me

[lament sonnet]

NOOOO 😭

[bleak solstice]

me when i load into a match, see no hackers, jump off and die, refuse to elaborate, then disconnect immediately

heck

[ionic kayak]

69

[astral cairn]

Let's see if they show up tonight.

[nimble wing]

Are PIDs and FCs mathematically related or are they both completely random?

[manic dune]

yeah, if they're there. not randomly queuing up and doing weird stuff.

[manic dune]

on 3ds it's the same thing just compressed

[astral cairn]

Trolling Yoshi player, not targeting me yet.

Will clip and post soon.

[astral cairn]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxsgrlfhg1bjTHUhUbU3JDiRint0VV2aWR?si=dZQ0LETjy6zRLyfp https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxfIAGNexhC5TfU6arukvGEYObM8GR74Ua?si=V0u8j4cfzTJLBV8K https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx1GJiYPsd2KDDxUrDgcW1-hcpWF3mx6t2?si=1EBij93ogN_fphEF

[jolly jetty]

2977-5316-6987 evidence: #1231832741612621876 message

[astral cairn]

I wasn't trolled this time but they went after my friend.

[cunning geode]

For the record 2 days ago I came across a group of 3 or 4 trollers

[smoky bobcat]

sus hacker?

[languid musk]

I think they're using No Lag

[cunning geode]

I rather have the impression that it is lag or accelerated emulator

[languid musk]

I don't think you can uncap Citra iirc

Lol, my phone automatically capitalized Citra does it know?

[cunning geode]

It will become a dictionary word XD

[smoky bobcat]

he using item cheats

[cunning geode]

Oh

[smoky star]

1907-2753-6957

[bleak solstice]

i have a cheat that doubles kart physics

it's hilarious

i used it on NN before and the speed is uncontrollably fast

getting hit hurts so much more than it should

[bold path]

I want that mario

[cunning geode]

POV : Mario thinks he's number 1 too much

[smoky bobcat]

This non-Mario thing is called SRG64. He's my friend. I have no intention of distributing this custom character.

[languid musk]

My favorite mc wiiu skin pack

[bleak solstice]

oh, he made that skin pack didnt he?

[languid musk]

yeah

[bleak solstice]

the sphere skins cause the game to freeze if you scroll to them in-game.

rendering that many cubes is bad for the wii u

[misty sandal]

The issue there is not a single instance in any of these clips that they are trolling

[languid musk]

I didn't notice anything either

[dull nimbus]

so glad this resend feature exists. thanks discord.

[bleak solstice]

less harm was done by the match immediately ending rather than, disrupting it
as there was no match to be played out, it just kinda wasted time and thats it lol

[misty sandal]

lmao

[languid musk]

iirc this person did stuff in their match as well (they had a kill, so they were doing stuff while aware of having hacks)

[misty sandal]

https://github.com/PretendoNetwork/account/issues/120

[bleak solstice]

oop

[stuck marsh]

[misty sandal]

mariodance

[quasi sedge]

[timber crystal]

@slender zephyr did u get it workinh

[slender zephyr]

Yes. Idk how Pretendo would treat it, but if you happen to notice that you left cheats on from a private battle accidentally couldn't you just DC?

[slender zephyr]

It stubs the button everything else seems to work otherwise

[misty sandal]

they did just end a match early

so tbh a second chance was fair here

[languid musk]

If you notice you've got hacks on just insta DC. That apparently has worked fine before.

[misty sandal]

since they admitted

[bleak solstice]

like it didnt hurt anyone other than wasting time