Hello, I am analyzing the motive played by the harp in ff7 prelude
The pattern is straight forward but how would you name the last 2 chords ?
#Analyzing ff7 prelude chord progression
waxen python
little pulsar
I’d say they basically outline the first two chords of the ♭VI -♭VII - I cadence, but since it loops the I is actually in elision with the first chord of the sequence.
So at the very least I’d respell to reflect that
waxen python
isnt't ♭VI -♭VII - "i" usually found in minor chord progressions?
indeed, C# and D# appears to be bVI and bVII in the key of F
does it imply any particular mode ?
little pulsar
indeed, C# and D# appears to be bVI and bVII in the key of F
those are ♯V and ♯VI, respectively
waxen python
So the progression is ♯V - ♯VI or bVI - bVII ?
is it a common move to use #V #VI ? Does it have any particular name or a mode ?
little pulsar
I don’t think it is ever♯V - ♯VI
it’s borrowed from, like, aeolian mode, so it’d be spelled ♭VI -♭VII - < I > always
It’s been used in concert, film, and pop music for a long time, but we usually associate it with video games thanks to things like Mario and FF
It’s often called the Mario Cadence or Fanfare Cadence because of this
light raptor
despite not being a cadence
little pulsar
Well…ish
light raptor
♭VII - i/I would be a cadence, assuming it is in fact at a cadence point
waxen python
So it’s borrowed from the parallel minor and instead of finishing on i, it ends on I
Any exemple of a track that use this exact move and that you can think of right now ?
light raptor
I mean I just wrote a lil melody over those chords
I don't think that counts though 
little pulsar
waxen python
I mean I just wrote a lil melody over those chords
Send 
little pulsar
light raptor
it said C♯ and D♯ so I used C♯ and D♯
(they should almost certainly be D♭ and E♭, respectively)
it also shows up in Dire Dire Docks
little pulsar
Yep! I just mocked up a SNES-style version of that today in fact
light raptor
ayyy
little pulsar
I’d share it here but my rig is powered off for the night
Might share if I remember tomorrow
light raptor
honestly I bet there's a bunch of 16th century music that does what we might perhaps nowadays label as ♭VI - ♭VII - I
still idol
Any exemple of a track that use this exact move and that you can think of right ...
There are a lot of examples
It’s a super common harmonic choice
still idol
https://youtu.be/NFch6XO5I_c?si=gvgl_LqHKDiu1e81 0:09 shows a IV-V-bVI-bVII-I
light raptor
me absolutely derailing conversations for stuff that is wild https://youtu.be/EUa7Q68IDVs?t=2027
still idol
Another famous example https://youtu.be/WJRoRt155mA?si=EZmgTtr3O1nsjb3n
light raptor
okay but fr if you haven't heard that before you should listen to 30 seconds of it, shit goes hard
still idol
Another famous example https://youtu.be/WJRoRt155mA?si=EZmgTtr3O1nsjb3n
I’m actually dumb because this goes to the i, not I
Banger though
Let me find another example
light raptor
Hey I mentioned that
little pulsar
Might share if I remember tomorrow
here it is:
this is basically a pre-pre-Alpha demo of Super Audio Cart 2
atomic galleon
Any exemple of a track that use this exact move and that you can think of right ...
0:41 and 1:14 respectively
Obligatory Princess Connect! Re:Dive mention for this week
The intro of this track is a I - bVII - bVI - bVII loop
At 0:47 it modulates from the key of A major to F# major via a D and E chord (those being the IV and V in A, but the bVI and bVII in F#) which is the coolest shit ever