that way we know how much bigger big momma is compared to small momma
#wiki-chat
flint meadow
undone compass
maybe having the same pose for all infoboxes can be ignored for now
astral kite
I never really realized how absolutely mean they look up close.
undone compass
or just in general now
since we're getting enemies who dont have sleeping phases at all
undone compass
thanks you d0c
hollow ingot
I call these the Halloween special
hollow ingot
hollow ingot
hollow ingot
you have access to all enemies&
mostly
hollow ingot
remind me this weekend and I'll try. it's midnight so heading to bed.
fathom socketBOT
flint meadow
Ay
tough lynx
Put it in behavior, seemed fitting. š
flint meadow
Put it in behavior, seemed fitting. š
Yeah it does but i have better shots of them pulling out tentacles
I think imgur is broken
flint meadow
since we're getting enemies who dont have sleeping phases at all
There is no way of getting big mother sleeping phases btw since there isnt any that can be found sleeping when you enter the room they are in
Gotta wait for later rundowns and hope they put a sleeping one or even just one at all
Who knows it might never come back but I doubt it
undone compass
Dam
Welp
Guess We can give up on trying to make every info box the same kinda picture for now then
undone compass
Most are yeah
flint meadow
Hmmmmm
undone compass
But itās kinda a stupid āruleā anyway
flint meadow
Yeah there isnt anyways
Yeah cuz
Kraken floaters and scout ur variants donāt sleep
undone compass
Yea
flint meadow
Maybe just put infobox as a clear full view of the enemy
undone compass
Yeah
flint meadow
Instead of focusing on glowing face
Then if possible add a sleeping phase gif to the gallery
undone compass
Hmm If we are gonna get rid of it guess I should re asses some pics
flint meadow
Also a tentacle triggered and scream gif for all different scouts
undone compass
I donāt think weāll need a new tank one now
flint meadow
Hmm If we are gonna get rid of it guess I should re asses some pics
We could just do a full overhaul
Would be easy
flint meadow
Like all the common enemies are super easy to get
Charger variants i can get in one level
tough lynx
Yeah it does but i have better shots of them pulling out tentacles
Oh, well we can just replace the other video ez
flint meadow
We can keep that one
Name it charger scout walking
And use that other one as pulling out tentacle
tough lynx
That worksš
flint meadow
Also if we getting no phase infobox we can use my first few original tank pics
Those would work just fine
Or actually current one works fine
Since itās already sleeping
Maybe i should shorten the vids tho?
Like just have the walk
Cuz it pulls out tentacles at the end of the walk
undone compass
Also if we getting no phase infobox we can use my first few original tank pics
i dont really think we need new pics for every enemy
flint meadow
Yeah not all of em
undone compass
let me see which ones i would say can be replaced
flint meadow
But like striker is fine
undone compass
or well should
flint meadow
Big striker id say change
Could get one without green light
Shooter and big shooter is fine
Shadows are all good
Chargers are all eh
Hybrid is eh
Baby ill get
Tank is fine
undone compass
i kinda think the opposite for the chargers and shadows, i think the shadows could probably be improved and the chargers are fine
flint meadow
Really?
undone compass
i also think hybrid is fine
obviously they are old screenshots though
but i like em
flint meadow
Yeah
undone compass
what dont you like about them?
flint meadow
Im fairly certain the current charger one is from rundown 1 lol
flint meadow
Well there charger ones are all in either red lighting or shined on by a flashlight
Ideally no flashlight
To get a full on raw view
And red lighting is almost non existant in game now
undone compass
yeah i kinda agree with the flashlight one, it was just pretty much impossible to find them in the light before lol
but the red one i dont really think is a problem
just makes it look cooler imo
but obviously if everyone has an issue with those pics we can change em
flint meadow
Fair
undone compass
you guys alright with these being new momma infoboxes?
or do we want to go with a different angle
crystal quest
I like them
Maybe a different angel for the big one
Get a better view of the antlers
undone compass
I was playing with the idea of using this pic for both pictues
crystal quest
That would be a good idea. Show the size difference
Could this photo work for the hybrid?
Or is it too dark?
undone compass
ooh that looks cool
but it is a bit dark so not sure about infobox
see what everyone else thinks i guess
flint meadow
Itās cool but not for the wiki
flint meadow
I was playing with the idea of using this pic for both pictues
This pic would be good on both pages for comparision
flint meadow
you guys alright with these being new momma infoboxes?
These should be infobox
flint meadow
@candid isle
Invis door thing
After checkpoint
Other guy went behind it
It birthed through the door
candid isle
O
autumn oxide
fuzzy
flint meadow
What
candid isle
you heard them, fuzzy
fathom socketBOT
candid isle
umm we got an ip from somebody, anyone wanna delet that?
hollow ingot
Fandom shows the IP of who made the change since it was by an anonymous person. IP's can be a bit of a grey area depending on context. But no need for it to be deleted just due to it being posted, especially since you can see it on the fandom edit logs.
candid isle
Hokep just checking
candid isle
woah
coral lichen
Get a better view of the antlers
Give me a bit and I can try and get some as well
hollow ingot
@crystal quest I have some different views of the antlers here: #wiki-chat message
flint meadow
Ye
hollow ingot
let me know how you'd like me to make them better and I can adjust
flint meadow
Thx again btw D0c for the pics
hollow ingot
Let's avoid using anything from modded*
candid isle
bro now im wondering what the antlers are
flint meadow
Yeah i donāt wanna do it modded
If needed ill use glitches tho to get pics
That ill do if necessary no regret
hollow ingot
lol and that's fair, since it's natural game
candid isle
intended game design
hollow ingot
it's exactly what you think it is
flint meadow
W h y
candid isle
bro its for when ur playing gtfo
flint meadow
Why the diaper
hollow ingot
flint meadow
No
No i donāt
Why hard hat and diaper
And how did you convince that mean
Of wearing a gtfo diaper
candid isle
bc funny
flint meadow
And how did the idea pop up in the first place
hollow ingot
We have some very creative people at the company
coral lichen
Man really just wanted to show off his tattoos
candid isle
i mean, if ur stealthing in the complex for hours at a time
flint meadow
Lets not forgot about the loaf tho
candid isle
loaf?
pulsar jacinth
astral kite
We have some very *creative* people at the company
Side off-topic note: where do I request custom or potential future store merch? š
hollow ingot
there should be a contact on the site, or DM calle
astral kite
Dope. Thankies.
autumn oxide
i want a santonian hoodie
fathom socketBOT
fathom socketBOT
fathom socketBOT
undone compass
What are thoughts about changing the name of the floater to flyer on the wiki. I feel like i see more people call them flyers than floaters but maybe thats just who i talk to
sand shard
Don't care
wise compass
What are thoughts about changing the name of the floater to flyer on the wiki. I...
doesn't really matter but floater seems more accurate with the current explanation of how the float/fly
gleaming heron
does the characters in-game call them by a particular name?
I actually didn't pay attention
tough lynx
Don't think so, only thing they say is "sleepers" and R5B2 had "spitters" in the interrupted transmission. Don't think any other names are actually mentioned.
undone compass
scouts
but i think thats the only other one
there might be more lines in game that arent implemented but who knows
tough lynx
true, I forgot scouts
I'm ashamed
flint meadow
Yeah they call scouts scouts
flint meadow
There should be a picture of the mother tumors on the mother pages
crystal veldt
"Big guy here"
flint meadow
What
crystal quest
Big guy here
candid isle
There should be a picture of the mother tumors on the mother pages
Def some good picture options at the start of D2
flint meadow
Def some good picture options at the start of D2
Mhm
fathom socketBOT
gleaming heron
monkaS
flint meadow
Ye
candid isle
:O
fathom socketBOT
fathom socketBOT
candid isle
bot is back
tough lynx
Looking goodš
flint meadow
Mind if i make a heavy/boss/mini-boss enemy section for the enemies section?
fathom socketBOT
tough lynx
I think we planned to structure the enemy page differently anyway, I don't have any preferences for the page myself rn ^^
undone compass
i dont even remember where my concept for enemy page rework is
i think its my sandbox
fathom socketBOT
tough lynx
Lets sort all enemies alphabetically 
undone compass
big brain
@flint meadow idk what you were tryin to do with that edit but it doesnt seem to have worked
fathom socketBOT
flint meadow
currently banging my head on my desk
undone compass
if youre doing source editing you can click preview changes to see what it looks like without having to save the changes
you can also check the help wiki for whatever it is youre trying to do if youre having issues
flint meadow
Nvm i cant
Imgur links need to be whitelisted by a wiki admin so that when uploaded they play on loop
undone compass
what are you trying to do?
flint meadow
Tryna put a fucking gif that auto-plays
But itās an imgur link
Not just a raw gif
fathom socketBOT
flint meadow
Ill figure it out
Im asking around the fandom community
Ill wait to see what they got to say
fathom socketBOT
flint meadow
Yes?
tough lynx
Looks good š
flint meadow
Yeah so
Apparently enemies wake up
If you spam on and off your flashlight
Which idk how nobody has never noticed-
Even scouts can wake up-
tough lynx
Maybe you were too fast and they got hit by flashlight for too long, they wake up through that
worthy vapor
cause it takes a fuckton of time to get to that point
tough lynx
Even scouts can wake up-
real?
worthy vapor
no lmao
flint meadow
He was playing modded but
I recently woke up 2 enemies by spamming flashlight
In vanilla
worthy vapor
might have touched it
flint meadow
Idk
worthy vapor
that fov is FAT
flint meadow
I tried it out for myself
flint meadow
that fov is FAT
Gamer FOV
coral lichen
He 100% touched something there
undone compass
dont post modded pls, even if its for demonstration
coral lichen
We still I think normal enemies can wake up
Cause they can
flint meadow
Deleted it already
And how has this never been put on wikiv
?
I never knew that-
coral lichen
Spamming it doesnāt magically stop the flashlight from being on them
worthy vapor
cause it doesnt matter that much
coral lichen
Looking away from them
You gotta clip? That shouldnāt be a thing
I literally have a flashlight macro and this is news to me
flint meadow
I mean i donāt think any of my teammates where behind me and i wasnt moving for a solid 10 seconds
worthy vapor
I literally have a flashlight macro and this is news to me
rip my eyes
tough lynx
I literally have a flashlight macro and this is news to me
never give the lrf to khepri Noted
flint meadow
So wasnt like normal wake up
undone compass
i can ask the devs if enemies wake up from flashlight clicking even if its not pointed at them
or well i can ask if its intended
fathom socketBOT
flint meadow
Isnt there a confirmation thing
worthy vapor
i really doubt it's the flashlight
tough lynx
doesnt your hitbox move when you look around with mouse? enough to touch the tentacles?
always thought so
flint meadow
No
worthy vapor
could be a bunch of other things
worthy vapor
dont think it should be on the wiki
coral lichen
doesnt your hitbox move when you look around with mouse? enough to touch the ten...
Heās not safe from the feelers where he was standing in the video
flint meadow
They where both shaking and i wasnt moving for a bit so it wasnt a desync bug
coral lichen
Standing under scouts just makes them take forever to detect you for some reason
undone compass
If the devs say its intended it can go on the wiki
if the devs say it isnt then it wont go on the wiki
worthy vapor
If the devs say its intended it can go on the wiki
it's already on there tho
undone compass
ok but if it ends up not being intended its getting removed, or at least moved to a bugs section or somin
flint meadow
Yes ik
flint meadow
it's already on there tho
Ik
I put it there but ill verify if itās true in a few hours
worthy vapor
huge
flint meadow
But i still woke up 2 sleepers from what I think was flashlight
Mightve been some other source but idk
undone compass
did you record it or anything
flint meadow
That wasnt today
Was yesterday
Went to bed after that
Like I said ill test it out in a couple hours
coral lichen
I would also prefer if we could fully verify stuff before we put it on the wiki
flint meadow
Ye
flint meadow
Just gonna hide it for now
undone compass
dev has confirmed that flashlight clicking is not something that should wake up enemies
turning apparently might make a sound so that is probably what woke up the enemy if true
astral kite
Doing 360s while not moving along the plane doesn't make any sound -- which is weird.
I can crouch in front of an enemy, set my DPI to 6,000 and just do 300 spins in 2 seconds and it won't make a peep.
flint meadow
turning apparently might make a sound so that is probably what woke up the enemy...
Wait turning makes a sound????
Im about to re-think my life
sand shard
Wait how
flint meadow
It does not.
Read up
astral kite
I have, and I'm saying that it doesn't because I tested it 30 minutes ago.
flint meadow
Hm
astral kite
I changed DPI settings and everything, did all kinds of wiggling procedures, etc. It's not been a thing since R1.
Kinda' wish it would be a thing.
flint meadow
I donāt
Would be dumb if it was
Firstly they would have to make it a certain amount of turning or else youd just have to take your hand off your mouse
Which can be quite buggy too cuz of how hitboxes and view model interact if it aint aligned might just turn more and wake up
That didnt make sense but
Point is would most likely be buggy
Secondly wouldnt be smart because i like turning around to see what i was about to wake up
undone compass
Iām just saying what I was told, which is that turning might make a sound which is why those things woke up
undone compass
A thing
Iām not sure, but the point was that the flashlight clicking is almost definitely not a thing that makes a noise
flint meadow
@undone compass okay so
mightve found a bug
happened to me againb
idk if it was teammates or
undone compass
what was it
undone compass
Ok so we are probably gonna be going through a process to move all the @rough widget log messages into another channel so they don't interrupt any conversations, would you guys prefer if:
-
The logs channel is only visible if you have a role specifically for it that you can ask for
-
The wiki channels are put into a separate category but anyone can see the wiki logs
-
Something else if you think of it
tough lynx
Bold of you to assume I can come up with ideas of my own 
astral kite
I think I like option 2, that way we can catch troll edits consistently (not that they're common to begin with).
hollow ingot
@astral kite Either way, you'll be able to see the wiki log to catch troll edits
the difference being that option 2 is literally the entire server of 200,000 users will be able to see the wiki log, then they have to manually mute the channel/category if they don't want to see the edits
astral kite
That's fair.
hollow ingot
where as option 1 is anyone can view the wiki logs, they just need to ask me, soy, or any moderator to get the "wiki logs" role
which the benefit of option 1 is that we're not making 200,000 people mute a channel when only like a dozen people are the only ones that would really care about the wiki logs
astral kite
That solidifies my vote, then. Option 1 it is.
I tend to forget that people aren't like me and mute entire servers indefinitely. 
tough lynx
hm, that's actually a better reason than what I thought about
flint meadow
Ok so we are probably gonna be going through a process to move all the <@!461189...
specific role since it doesnt really matter if not everyone can see it if they dont work on the wiki
crystal veldt
option 1
hollow ingot
Hey y'all - By request of @undone compass we've setup a new channel where @rough widget will post the wiki change logs to. This is so that they can be seen easier, and don't disrupt conversations.
Literally anyone is more than welcome to have access to the wiki logs channel, all you have to do is request access. You can ping me ( @hollow ingot ), @undone compass, or DM @sacred lodge.
hollow ingot
Hey y'all - By request of <@!336524556451971073> we've setup a new channel where...
If you want access to wiki logs, please leave a message below and I'll add your access (no need to ping at the moment, I'll be checking frequently)
undone compass
me too for the next hour but after that im working so if you ping me it will be slightly delayed
tough lynx
Greetings, I would like to apply for access to the logs ^^
hollow ingot
done
flint meadow
@hollow ingot could I get the role too please <3
Been working on the wiki a lot so it would be appreciated
Or Soy
hollow ingot
done
flint meadow
Thank you D0c
astral kite
I would love the tag as well, please! ā¤ļø
cobalt ingot
I would love the tag as well, please! ā¤ļø
gave u the tag
astral kite
Bless
rare pagoda
Could I have it as well? S'il vous plait?
candid isle
may i also have the tag?
unborn heron
I would kindly request access to the knowledge of wiki logs changes and the role that comes with it. I will promise not to abuse the power that it holds
flint meadow
Itās one extra channel
unborn heron
Would it be better to say that I will abuse the power that it holds?
Knowledge is power after all
flint meadow
True
unborn heron
āA man is but what he knowsā - sir bacon
short scarab
Can I also have access to the wiki logs, plz? š
silk geode
I'd like to have access too.
hollow ingot
Could I have it as well? S'il vous plait?
done
hollow ingot
may i also have the tag?
done
hollow ingot
I would kindly request access to the knowledge of wiki logs changes and the role...
done
hollow ingot
Can I also have access to the wiki logs, plz? š
done
flint meadow
Jeez
hollow ingot
I'd like to have access too.
done
flint meadow
Thats a lot
flint meadow
Nice
candid isle
:D
unborn heron
Thank you oh great omnipotent lord from beyond the stars for bestowing me with the sacred role . I will use this power not for war, but to bring peace to the complex and all of gods horrors that may lie down there.
candid isle
hmmmmmmm
candid isle
Idk why but on the mobile wiki page whenever I scroll on the weapons page one picture keeps getting smaller and smaller
candid isle
Yeah me neither
undone compass
nothing weird is in the code
candid isle
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
undone compass
might just be the wiki or your phone shitting itself
candid isle
Just thought Iād point it out
candid isle
might just be the wiki or your phone shitting itself
Mobile fandom things
flint meadow
Lmao
autumn oxide
yeah i think you should just blame fandom mobile
hushed plume
hehe i already have access
flint meadow
You are a wiki admin obviously
hushed plume
š®
undone compass
Who
flint meadow
Chasetug
flint meadow
I think hybrids should be moved to common enemies
They are pretty frequent much like big strikers
Just from this rundown B2, C1, C2, C3, D1, D2, D3 and D4 all contains some
Literally only A1 and B1 donāt have hybrids in them
So Iād say their a common enemy what do you guys think?
rare pagoda
Just from this rundown B2, C1, C2, C3, D1, D2, D3 and D4 all contains some
maybe I'm totally blanking but where are there hybrids in D4?
undone compass
hmm you got a point. I mean i think we still need to redo the enemies page at some point so maybe we could talk about it when we do that, which im down to do whenever people want to
flint meadow
Still most levels have hybrids
Well i kinda remade it a bit
Worked around the order of things
Looks better
Also we can move the spoilers away now right?
Itās been more then like 2 weeks
rare pagoda
are big shooters considered common?
flint meadow
Yeah
rare pagoda
because they seem to show up less than hybrids at this point.
flint meadow
Yeah
Their only in like
C1, C2 maybe, C3, D1, D2 and D4
We should still keep them in common tho since itās logical
And looks better
Yk
undone compass
Also we can move the spoilers away now right?
eh id rather not, usually we leave the enemies introduced in the new rundown there until the next rundown/extension
flint meadow
Alright
rare pagoda
We should still keep them in common tho since itās logical
but it brings up the question of if common is something that should change rundown to rundown
flint meadow
I mean in general hybrids are pretty common
Ever since R2 when they where added
R2 had them in like every level besides A1 and E1
R3 i donāt remember
R4-R5 havent played it much
R6 ye
rare pagoda
I'd only be able to say about r5 and r6. but yes they seem to be.
undone compass
maybe we shouldnt categorise enemies by common-ness anymore
could categorise it by what it is a variant of
like striker variants, shooter variants, etc
flint meadow
Yeah
undone compass
or somin else
flint meadow
Yeah good idea
I was thinking of that
Kinda what I did too
Like
Shadows with shadows
Chargers with chargers
Wouldve liked having tank with chargers tho
Since itās pretty much a advanced charger
Also maybe do a boss/mini-boss category?
Possibly
Since yk mother/big mother, tank and Kraken
rare pagoda
mm. i'm not sure mini boss applies beyond a nickname considering that levels in the low D tier can have 6-7 mothers.
rare pagoda
D2 lol. Me and a friend are trying to duo it right now. what a nightmare.
can easily have 6-7 if you get unlucky
flint meadow
Hm true
How about like
Heavy enemies?
Or advanced
Or
Also where tf are we gonna put the flyers-
Once they out of spoiler-
New category?
Flying
flint meadow
Ye-
undone compass
unique species?
flint meadow
And kraken
undone compass
like can put spitters in there as well
flint meadow
Wouldnt that go in that too
undone compass
yea
undone compass
depends on what we decide the minimum enemies to make it a species should be
undone compass
wait apparently we already are categorising enemies by species what?
guess we just arent using it on the enemies page
flint meadow
Yeah
rare pagoda
Advanced would be good. But there is a benefit to separating enemies that would be encountered earlier first earlier in list. if someone wants to find out about titans or scouts or shooters. They shouldn't need to see about other enemies
flint meadow
But commonness kinda makes sense and looks good
I think looks for the wiki is important so lets less confusing
That and Iāve got OCD and Iām a perfectionist
rare pagoda
wait apparently we already are categorising enemies by species what?
i'd argue from a physiological perspective. Mother is very Likely a striker variant
but I guess that's more in the weeds.
flint meadow
Ehhhhhā¦?
undone compass
honestly trying to decide on who is what gets complicated as soon as its not about the regular strikers and shooters
flint meadow
Yeah
undone compass
like are chargers their own thing?
flint meadow
Lets mark down what we know then
undone compass
cause they usually are just like strikers
flint meadow
Ye
undone compass
but then there are charger scouts
are they a scout/shooter variant?
fuck
knows
rare pagoda
but then there are charger scouts
well they don't have a shooter attac. Plus their body has a distinctive bulge tumor thing in their lower belly that strikers have.
undone compass
rare pagoda
but its complicated I agree
flint meadow
Id say
Make the uh
Navbox same as enemies page
But kinda have like subgroups
Keep the enemies page as it is and move hybrids to common
worldly verge
You could maybe create an uninfected category? As flyers and krakens seem to be more natural than the result of an infection
tough lynx
What's up?
crystal quest
Sleepers got a cold
flint meadow
What's up?
Navbox
Itās fucky
Is it set to adaptā¢ļø to the text size or is it a fixed size and position
tough lynx
Ah, I see what you mean
tough lynx
It does what its meant to do tho. It just looks strange because its smaller
flint meadow
Why did it suddently become smaller tho
When i previewd it with all the shorter text it was fine
tough lynx
Its just a lot more narrow but the text size etc is the same.
flint meadow
Fixed
tough lynx
neat š
flint meadow
If anybody tries to edit navboxes and the size gets fucked up just add width 1000px to liststyle
@undone compass pin
undone compass
hm thats given me a good idea
undone compass
If anybody tries to edit navboxes and the size gets fucked up just add width 100...
flint meadow
hm thats given me a good idea
Yeah?
undone compass
youll see later
flint meadow
Hmmm ok
flint meadow
@undone compass would categorizing mine-deployer and c-foam launcher as defensive?
Bio-tracker as support
And all sentries as defensive
For a navbox
Seems logical
candid isle
offensively
candid isle
imo, the cfoam is the defensive part but it's technically an offensive defense
"best defense is a good offense
idk just my thoughts
candid isle
inside the door ye
flint meadow
In conjunction with c-foam
candid isle
ik, just my thoughts that its placed with offensive intent
undone compass
i would say most tools are defensive
flint meadow
I wanna place it as defensive for the navbox
candid isle
out of curiosity is there an offensive category
flint meadow
But for itās actual page keep itās description as offensive/crowd control
Yes
Thereās no defensive tho
Only offensive, crowd control and support
candid isle
yeah i think cc makes most sense for md auto
candid isle
or maybe just mention it in the article but just have them all in the tool category
candid isle
confused response
undone compass
Standard sizes for things on the wiki:
- Infoboxes are 250px by 375px
- Navboxes are 1000px wide
candid isle
wha
candid isle
XD
flint meadow
Tell me
@candid isle
Name me
1 level
You donāt use mineās on
From this Rundown
@undone compass should we keep the crowd control part?
undone compass
i mean all the sentries are kinda crowd control
cause its extra guns
but sniper is defo the least of them all
flint meadow
Well is adding the mention of it being crowd control really needed?
Like just calling it offensive tells enough no?
candid isle
You donāt use mineās on
A1, B1, C1, D1
:3
when we originally ran those 4 we weren't using mines
then we discovered both the funni doors and C3 and mines have been a staple ever since
candid isle
well I didn't
flint meadow
Literallyp
candid isle
:pout:
ye ik it makes it easier and I use em now
but I cleared the X1's without mines
I mean any level with a funni door is gonna be really hard without em, and they make levels a lot easier, but they aren't essential technically
just adapt XD
gloomy osprey
C1 with mines 
I mean regardless, with the amount of tools 4 sentries just well
do it all
4 burst = sleep
candid isle
yeah we've done it with mines, but also we did it without initially
candid isle
wha
gloomy osprey
candid isle
howmst
flint meadow
Are we re-naming Floaters Flyers?
flint meadow
Lol
Are we?
Floaters sound better
Then Flyers
I think spacing out stuff like that makes it look better but id like feedback
undone compass
i changed the name of the page from floaters to flyers because i hear a lot more people call them that instead, i didnt change it anywhere else though so it probably still says flyer everywhere
i just got confused by the fact the page is linked in its own first paragraph
flint meadow
Lmao
Idk if ive heard a lot of flyers tbh
From what ive heard itās always floaters
flint meadow
Any votes on if we should keep Floaters to Floaters or change to Flyers?
formal mason
My group has always called them flyers
crystal quest
I call them meatballs
timid zodiac
spaghetti
flint meadow
Flyers 
or Floaters 
flint meadow
I meant which level is it not viable on
icy stump
C1
flint meadow
You can still use it
sage wagon
r5d1
flint meadow
Door to T scan
sage wagon
i can use auto sentry on every expedition
icy stump
no blood doors on C1 too
flint meadow
Anybody got a better name for a category of enemies
Cuz currently Mother, Big Mother and Tank are classified as Mini-Boss enemies
Due to their threat level
flint meadow
Lmfao
These enemies are more advanced then most serving as a high threat
Current text
Category is named Mini-Boss
Any suggestions?
formal mason
Whats wrong with miniboss? Are you looking for something more lore-terminology?
rather than game-terminology
Mini-boss seems appropriate to me tbh
flint meadow
Well
Ive heard debates that mini-boss stands for more of a rare enemy
Mothers arent all that rare
- big mothers are actually a boss
Reason I called them Mini-Bosses is because of their threat level and stats (high hp or high dps)
formal mason
idk, I would still say mothers are relatively rare
flint meadow
I mean C2, D2 and D4
formal mason
You can make an argument against most classifications you can come up with. Miniboss seems as appropriate as anything. "Elite" or "High threat" enemies are alternatives, but I don't prefer either of them
formal mason
Well D2 is anomalous and 8 still isn't that crazy high
flint meadow
Considering each spawns a swarm
formal mason
D2 is of special note for having so many mothers
and its still only 8. Not like people would be surprised if there were 8 giants or giant shooters or hybrids
formal mason
I see your point, but I still think miniboss is fine
You could call them high threat but then would you include a scout? Or a giant charger?
Next you'll get pros telling you that a mother is no threat if handled properly
sage wagon
there's a difference between appearance and amount
minibosses can rarely appear in rundowns but still have a high amount of spawns
such as mom on d2
r4e1
dad in r4e1, r5d2, r5c2
flint meadow
Scouts arent high threats
High threats are enemies with a shit ton of hp
And frankly 1k is s lot
formal mason
waking a scout at the wrong time could alert multiple rooms though
flint meadow
But yes I put them as mini-boss cuz appearance
But others debate on rarity
Just want others opinion
formal mason
I'm not trying to make that point though, I'm just saying that if you call it something like that you leave a lot open for debate
formal mason
Just say they are a miniboss cos they are tanky but aren't given the pomp of a real boss like the kraken. job done
sage wagon
there's not enough sleepers to overcomplicate categories
even kf2 was fairly simple
Small zeds: clot, cyst, crawler, stalker, slasher, gorefast
Medium zeds: husk, bloat, edars, sirens
Big zeds: scrake, fleshpound, quarterpound
Elite variants: gas crawlers, rioters, gorefiends
Then bosses
there's no need to be very specific
candid isle
oh yeah I might work on getting the bot bio lines for the wiki
someone (I forgor who) got me the list of Wood's lines
Nothing on the scanner.
I got dick.
God, I hope this thing's working.
Nothing out there but shadows.
Dead as night out there.
It's all quiet out there.
We're alone, for now.
Scanner's not happy.
Easy now, we're not alone.
God damn, they're everywhere.
Oh my God, that's bad.
1, 2- shit, there's a lot out there.
Yeah, I got something, keep it tight.
Yeah, I got something, tread lightly.
I got blips all over, not good.
We've got blips on the scanner.
I got a blip, something's moving.
Stay focused, they're close.
Something's moving out there.
We got blips on the scanner.
My scanner just lit up, they're everywhere!
Well, that doesn't look good.
Heads up, we got a few goons.
Uh, yeah, we got a problem. / Goons, a lot of goons.
candid isle
bRuH
candid isle
these are Wood's lines for bio tracker
icy stump
š
flint meadow
Lmao
lusty haven
someone (I forgor who) got me the list of Wood's lines
Not necessarily complete btw, this was just every line I heard while running through B1 solo w/ Woods. Not sure if having more bots would increase the chance of his call and response lines (the last section with one one).
@flint meadow
hollow ingot
Burst: 2.01 per bullet, 3 round burst
lusty haven
hollow ingot
Auto: 0.71 per bullet
lusty haven
flint meadow
Could I also get RPM if possible?
Not fully necessary but itās useful to have up there
flint meadow
Hm true
quasi night
summoning jutsu
hollow ingot
let's not link the datablocks directly
flint meadow
Ye
languid pond
ok go to ums and do that there
lusty haven
DMed
hollow ingot
I also don't think we really refer to RPM in game anywhere
i think we mention it briefly in a patch note somewhere if like bringing back the low rpm machine gun or something, but I don't think we really expand on that
lusty haven
If I'm reading it correctly, then...
Sniper 4.0 initial delay 2.8 shot delay
Burst 1.0 initial delay 0.045 shot delay (1.0 burst delay)
Auto 1.0 initial delay 0.08 shot delay (8x stagger btw)
quasi night
i think i saw you wondering how you get tool ammo / max cap
cost of bullet / max cap / ClassAmmoCostFactor (a weird tool-specific value in item db)
hollow ingot
If I'm reading it correctly, then...
Sniper 4.0 initial delay 2.8 shot delay
Bur...
But this would be correct
quasi night
cost of bullet / max cap / ClassAmmoCostFactor (a weird tool-specific value in i...
in practice just do 30 / CoB / CACF ( and *5 for max cap)
so e.g. for sniper sentry
30 / 13 / 0.285 ~= 8.097
hollow ingot
or just like drop in game and fill up on ammo
quasi night
it's good to have proof on both sides
hollow ingot
which makes sure you're getting accurate numbers based on all the calculations we do
i guess only proof that matters is what in game says?
lusty haven
W8, why 30?
quasi night
derived
lusty haven
Wack
hollow ingot
sure, fair. i'm just thinking in scope of wiki, if you're going to put it up, go based on what i take from our side, or go in game and go by that, instead of trying to do the math
quasi night
cost of bullet / max cap / ClassAmmoCostFactor (a weird tool-specific value in i...
if you do this you'll always get 0.304
š¤ no wait
i forgot where i got 30 from honestly but i know i got it from somewhere
lusty haven
Also, what's the calc for guns if CACF isn't used?
flint meadow
i guess only proof that matters is what in game says?
I meannnn kinda depends what itās for
hollow ingot
wdym what it's for
lusty haven
It kind of only matters for m*ds tbh, I'm just curious.
hollow ingot
and since the data i'm looking at doesn't give me the max ammo count, that's why i said drop into level and fill up on ammo
flint meadow
Im trying to think what other info would be useful for the wiki
earnest birch
Burst: 2.01 per bullet, 3 round burst
why does it do x4 friendly when other friendly fire does 2x 
quasi night
i confused myself, we can move this elsewhere if you want to know ray
hollow ingot
regardless of if you think you have the right math caclulation for what the ammo count should be, in game would give you the true accuracy in terms of what to put on the wiki
flint meadow
Yeah decimals donāt really matter
lusty haven
why does it do x4 friendly when other friendly fire does 2x <:Nianthink:71394057...
Pretty sure it's because sentries don't have the 1/2x FF multi.
hollow ingot
why does it do x4 friendly when other friendly fire does 2x <:Nianthink:71394057...
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
quasi night
regardless of if you think you have the right math caclulation for what the ammo...
except when it's floats and you're given ints kekw
earnest birch
i figured all tools had the 2x friendly too
flint meadow
Mineās just one tap or do 0 damage
quasi night
tool ff is broken don't look at it
hollow ingot
and thus whatever in game says is all that matters to the player in terms of "I'm looking at the wiki, it says i should have 500 bullets, but in game i get 400"
and the reason for discrepency is because someone decided to use a formula that calculated differently...
flint meadow
Yeah can we go back to just wiki
lusty haven
i figured all tools had the 2x friendly too
Naw, players have 25 health, so all weapons will do 4x damage, but most of them receive a 1/2x multi. This happens to not be true for sentries (and maybe mines?) for w/e reason, probably just not handled the same way behind the scenes.
flint meadow
Hmmmmm
lusty haven
I think Ereggia actually figured out that this multi works sometimes but not others.
earnest birch
so weird
lusty haven
I think it might depend on if the sentry shoots you or a teammate.
But it's been a long time.
Might also be host/client, lmao, but no idea.
Actually, probably not because that would probably affect guns.
hollow ingot
anything else you want while I'm looking at the data killa?
earnest birch
another weird thing is sniper sentry took 3 shots for a giant shooter when it should take 2 with front head multi so i assume it just shot the chest in 2nd and 3rd?
flint meadow
Yeah im thinking what else id need
lusty haven
Probably? I'd look for hit marker.
flint meadow
Alright new info is ip
Up
Uhhhhhhh
I think im good for now
Thanks for the info doc
Also if possible pictures of Flyers/Floaters would be great
Up close at multiple angleās too
hollow ingot
.remind me 36h Pictures of Flyer for the Wiki: #wiki-chat message
sacred lodgeBOT
@hollow ingot, I have now created the reminder for @hollow ingot.
earnest birch
sounds like something to get ingame for
hollow ingot
yeah i will, like i did for the mother
hollow ingot
i didn't take those
earnest birch
ye
quasi night
I think Ereggia actually figured out that this multi works sometimes but not oth...
that was me actually
we always knew it was fucky but didn't know what's up
lusty haven
odam
earnest birch
the main one is fine
flint meadow
Im gonna change it later
undone compass
i thought we already changed that red one
honestly both ones in the gallery can be removed, kinda want to keep the infobox one just cause thats the original room the tank was found in in R4
flint meadow
I canātā¦.. change the pictureā¦.?
undone compass
which?
flint meadow
Ill figure it out in a sec
earnest birch
pretty good