wiki-chat

[pale dock]

the level page

[dusk star]

maybe due to it being frameperfect it looks like desync if you get what i mean

[limber canopy]

im just procrastinating doing r7b2 and sending the info i wrote on my laptop to my computer for r6bx

[dusk star]

R6BX my beloved

[limber canopy]

i wrote it like 3 weeks ago and still haven't put it on the wiki

[pale dock]

oh shi ur doing it ksks

[stark crag]

honestly you could just write in maximum font size “FOG” on that page and call it a day

[dusk star]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thousand-yard-stare-thousand-yard-stare-cat-ptsd-cat-soldier-cat-war-gif-9110270742088459827

[limber canopy]

yeah im on r7e1 so i got plenty of time

[stark crag]

You still need to do R7E1 too?

[pale dock]

ill work on whateves left, b3 and the othher c /d tiers then

[limber canopy]

going through in order, so yes

[pale dock]

i tries working on r5 and a3 i just i just cant

i got so bored

[limber canopy]

we just did that one

[dusk star]

:3

all three of us

[limber canopy]

yeah lol

[pale dock]

damn team work

:O

[stark crag]

Yep we just did R5A3 PE

[dusk star]

side objectives are main objectives 🗣️ 🔥

[pale dock]

OH

did as in

played

i thought did as in write the wiki page

[dusk star]

yes cuh

no cuh

[pale dock]

well now that u did can u tell me if theres a scout on the sec

i no remember

[dusk star]

yes

[limber canopy]

perchance

[dusk star]

i believe

beliebe

[limber canopy]

i think first zone

[dusk star]

for us first room?

[limber canopy]

yes

[stark crag]

If you want some crazy scout documentation go check R4D2 Sec several times

[pale dock]

no thanks

[stark crag]

It has a chance to spawn scouts or not lol

[limber canopy]

just to make sure r7d2 has actual terminal variance almost everywhere right

[pale dock]

what

[stark crag]

In the side zones no

Main path for password locked terminal yes

[limber canopy]

i thought i saw scaler vid say that it did change slightly for side zones but stayed in the same area

[pale dock]

d2 has a lot of variance i wouldnt b surprised

i mean even the tiles sort of change, its one of those levels props are differnt

specifically in the cell search

[stark crag]

I’ll have to check more then in side zones… every time I went in there the terminal locations were the same

I did update R8B4 page to reflect that those cells are static

Very important info

[limber canopy]

i got a few replays from severe skill issues i can watch

[pale dock]

isnt the second cell not static

at least in one of the zones

ive heard things of speedrunning and gambling on a fucked up cell spot

[stark crag]

165/167/168 were all static for me

165C 167A and 168B same shelves

[limber canopy]

every side room term position can change, generator changes position

[stark crag]

Alright R7D2 page needs an update

[limber canopy]

seems to always be the same area, maybe 3 positions for each? i got a data pool of 4 runs

212- A
213- C
216- B
217-C

can someone try to decode the third paragraph of the head of the R7D2 page? it is kinda hard to read

[stark crag]

I can take a look in a bit

[limber canopy]

it's so fun having 3 sources of information having 3 different numbers
im doing the R7C1 page and the gathering glp section is messed up and i dont know how properly read the info from cconsole when listing the waves

wth why does the wiki say 7 snatchers will spawn during the room scan 😭

[jolly yarrow]

lol

[dark citrus]

More so how exactly do they behave

Like there are 3 different Animations depending on where you hit

[pale dock]

cuz snatchers spawn constantly

its an eerror of snatchers

several come during the scan

its probs not 7

more like, 3 4

[stark crag]

Its 3

More on way to ex

But you can probably get more if you stall the scan?

[jolly yarrow]

i’m pretty sure it is a continuous survival wave setting

[stark crag]

I'm also pretty sure I lose like 70 frames when that scan starts too

[limber canopy]

has there been any documentation about pmom not respawning in R7E1 when heading to destination? that just happened to one of my runs (maybe another but i forgot to enable replay mod) and i was confused where she was
if i were to guess it's because she spawned in 452B since that other run i think it happened also had pretty much nothing except a few babies in there

[trim grove]

Yep I’ve seen this before

[pale dock]

do u mean like shes just not there when u go into the zone?

[trim grove]

She doesn’t respawn after tp kills her

[pale dock]

hum

it the first time i hear about that :3

[limber canopy]

welp time to drop in like 10 times to be sure of if it's caused by mom spawning in B

i think i broke something

[pale dock]

its just cuz the r7e1 command on desti is kinda borked

it doesnt close the color bracket so

its just perma piss

[limber canopy]

ok so i just tested 9 times and for the 2 times i got it in B, it didn't respawn, but all the other times it did so i think it's safe to assume spawning in B is the cause

i should've also looked if it happened to the normal mother but i forgot

is this good? dont normally do any bug sections on the wiki

[pale dock]

it could b like "This occurs due to it being killed with the dimension teleport, but never respawning back"

altho i would like to have a reason but

we dont know it ksmdkm

[trim grove]

Have seen it happen in c as well

[vestal crest]

the way i have had it explained to me is that when pmom is respawned, if it is allocated a spot where it doesn't fit (since which enemy respawns where is randomised to some extent) it's not spawned in

[limber canopy]

So if it spawns almost at the same spot as a baby she will get her respawn bodyblocked?

[vestal crest]

i believe it's if she's blocked by the environment

ie a baby spawned very close to a wall. pmom rolls that location and doesn't fit so she doesn't spawn

something like that

[limber canopy]

But like her original spawn still works but not her respawn?

[vestal crest]

yeah the original spawn should always be there if you check with cconsole

[limber canopy]

trust in the gtfo jank ig

[stark crag]

cleaned up the Known Bugs section on that page since it was getting lengthy (this level has quite a bit of jank)

[brave rivet]

lol will u add the double blood door spawn to known bug

#gtfo-media message

[cyan coral]

that's just regular desync and not anything level specific so kinda redundant in my eyes

[brave rivet]

ic

[cyan coral]

else you'd be putting the same on every level with a blood door

[grizzled crater]

[brave rivet]

o its per level

i thought it was one bug page oop

[grizzled crater]

with a spawning enemy tbh (pablo has this too as an example)

[brave rivet]

oh no

dos pablos

[foggy glade]

love it with pablo

[pale dock]

it's beautiful

[dusk star]

irl vs wiki btw

[limber canopy]

gens can change position no?

[dusk star]

not taht i know of, game bnefore wasjnt like that

qoute from sky "no theyre always the same as far as im aware"

all other gens were same position as previous runs

[cyan coral]

you can have some zones/tiles change sometimes, something to do with how many markers/boxes or whatever the fuck spawn

r8d2 pit is an example, as is r7d2

[limber canopy]

ok i just tested like 7 times why did they change that

[pale dock]

it can, heavily ksks

[dusk star]

specifically R5B1

btw

shouldve mentioned lmao

[pale dock]

when r7d2 came out people think the entire room could change, but its a prop change i believe ksks

same for r1d1 for example

[limber canopy]

R4D1 has like nothing on the main objective wtf

[dusk star]

ghostly might be writing on it cuz we did it like not long ago i think

[limber canopy]

its legit just
initiate reactor startup
complete reactor startup
[reactor table]

[dusk star]

@stark crag didnt we do D1?

[stark crag]

I have never done R4D1 with you

[dusk star]

Nvm lol

[zealous bay]

R1d1 can change😭

[pale dock]

yes

[humble marsh]

it is just a reactor......

[limber canopy]

it says nothing about room contents or anything else

also there is at least 1 alarm i remember in that level mid reactor and it wouldn't be very nice to discover a surprise alarm mid reactor or a room filled with chargers and 3 scouts

[vestal crest]

actually it's 5 scouts

[limber canopy]

good thing wiki doesnt say that

[humble marsh]

fr

should make the wiki say 3

[limber canopy]

time to make the r8e2 page say that it's the easiest mission

[pale dock]

if u touch my r8e2 page im replacing all ur gtfo voicelines with spitter screams

[limber canopy]

what if i like spitter noises

[pale dock]

NOOO

[limber canopy]

@stark crag maybe we shouldn't be working on the r7e1 page at the same time lol my hyperlink cleanup got deleted because of that so here's the reactor table i made (the double vertical bars separating sections are replaced with single ones so discord doesn't do spoilers)

|+ Reactor Phases
|-
! Phase !! Code Location !! Time to input Code !! Preparation Time !! Wave Duration !! Enemies
|-
| 1 || '''Zone 458C''' (1 possible [[Terminal]]) || 1 minute 20 seconds || 30 seconds ||  1 minute 20 seconds || [[Striker]]/[[Shooter]]/[[Hybrid]]
|-
| 2 || '''Zone 455B''' (1 possible [[Terminal]]) || 2 minutes || 30 seconds || 1 minute 40 seconds || [[Flyer]]/[[Big Flyer]]
|-
| 3 || '''Zone 456B''' (1 possible [[Terminal]]) || 3 minutes 5 seconds || 30 seconds || 1 minute 50 seconds (Tank spawns at the end) || [[Striker]]/[[Shooter]]/[[Hybrid]]/[[Flyer]]/[[Tank]]
|-
| 4 || '''Zone 457''' (1 possible [[Terminal]]) || 7 minutes || 30 seconds || 1 minute 45 seconds (Tank spawns at the end) || [[Striker]]/[[Shooter]]/[[Charger]]/[[Big Charger]]/[[Tank]]
|}```

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Terminal

[limber canopy]

hi wiki bot i didn't mean for you to be summoned

[dusk star]

bot finding [[terminal]] everywhere

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Terminal

[limber canopy]

the terminals, what do they mean?

[stark crag]

This was an edit from this morning due to missing information about the Room Scan and Alpha Two… noted

To be clear do you want me to append that change or do you

I am out for awhile yet but can tonight

[limber canopy]

do you plan on doing anything else soon with the page?

[stark crag]

Not for at least an hour or so

I was in an R7E1 pub and was adding details from things that weren’t listed

[limber canopy]

well our edits were 8 hours apart so im not risking it

[humble marsh]

you can put it in code blocks so that discord wont make the || || into spoilers

also helps with formatting

[limber canopy]

i forget those exist

[humble marsh]

ok

[stark crag]

@limber canopy let me know when you are around

[limber canopy]

im here

[stark crag]

How can we get the respawn zones to display orange within this page cleanup for R7E1

[limber canopy]

display orange?

oh

[stark crag]

This page has had so much added to it recently that editing in source is pain

(It’s a very good page now don’t get me wrong)

[limber canopy]

well if it's orange it's because it's linked so {{Cocoon|RESPAWN ZONE}}

[stark crag]

it helps for better legibility to break up sentences with bold, underline, italics, and orange links so it doesn't look like one giant text block when trying to find particular details

still to be used where appropriate

you can see these conventions to where I have extremely important information underlined, bullet points in italics (with exceptions like the following screenshot), and zones (Zone if referring to a particular #) in bold

I am not currently editing the R7E1 page at time of this message

I'd like to discuss next steps to avoid an editing conflict like before, those aren't fun

current state of that section

[limber canopy]

oh yeah i was going to do a change but when i left the page my edits didn't get saved so i couldn't recover them lol

[stark crag]

I see

[limber canopy]

most of the info there can be deleted since it's in the reactor table i sent a few days ago

only thing really to keep is enemy contents and that they're respawn zones

[stark crag]

yeah I figured that information would shift to the table, will clean up this step quite a bit

do you want to add that table or shall I

I moved to editing the R7C3 page for the time being

[limber canopy]

maybe something like

##* ''This zone contains several chargers''```

why did it bold the line

[stark crag]

you accidentally did discord markdown

Haubergier

yeah something like that would work

with how dense this page has become in source it's faster for me to do visual editing unless absolutely necessary

[limber canopy]

ima edit it then

[stark crag]

alright sounds good I won't touch it for now

the E tier pages in general should have the most details/cleaner formatting/organization, since they're the most likely pages for people to reference when visiting wiki for specific expeditions

I would like to make notable mentions for non-E missions, and those would be currently:
-R2D1 (minor page cleanup)
-R2D2 (minor page cleanup)
-R3D1 (I am currently editing this one, needs more details)
-R4C3 (needs more details/re-organization)
-R4D1 (needs significant details)
-R5C2 (needs more details/re-organization)
-R5D1 (needs re-organization)
-R6D1 (needs re-organization)
-R8C1 (needs more details/re-organization)
-R8D1 (minor page cleanup)

[stark crag]

@limber canopy I will add a note for scout bombing to R7E1 page with the fix. I never play that level without it. Done

[dusk star]

R5B3

[pale dock]

aham?

[stark crag]

This is one of the pages I had fixed back on Fandom but had not gotten around to for gg

fixing now

[stark crag]

fixed

[pale dock]

i only noticed today

[brave rivet]

who up dealing with they tanks to deal with

[undone compass]

just checked and it seems ive been removed as an admin from the fandom wiki

so i no longer have any stake in what people do to that one

[stark crag]

Yeah I haven’t touched it since. As long as we keep wiki.gg upkept. I will be flagging a bunch of fandom bloat that got imported to gg

Like there’s an ALT R7 page lol

[dusk star]

Interesting 🤔

[dusk star]

Does this mean I can put links to the .gg alternatives?

[undone compass]

i have no opinion on this matter

[dusk star]

Tbf idk how to edit the wikis so I’ll just leave it as a suggestion

[trim grove]

yes

do it

[dusk star]

^

[cyan coral]

is it time

to bring back

the schaeffer boss fight

[real rose]

Wtf

[trim grove]

mfs who have never played the game editing the wiki

[dusk star]

Mfs that never pub surprised when a pubber edits wiki (they think pubber doesn’t play)

[jolly yarrow]

i’m so nostalgic for alt r7

where schaefer and hennrickson raise a child

aka pablo

[limber canopy]

Henrickson will get the pipe treatment

[pale dock]

cool leevel

[limber canopy]

striker shooter giant big shooter scout striker shooter giant big shooter scout striker shooter giant big shooter scout fog

[real rose]

I think that level has a striker, shooter, giant, big shooter and scout

[pale dock]

nah

[humble marsh]

why bro still red

[pale dock]

cuz i blush easily

[humble marsh]

dang

always thinking about boys huh

[pale dock]

rn yes
u weere asking me for updates right

[real rose]

How did it went

[humble marsh]

yaurrrrrrr

[pale dock]

heeee basically said "im not sure, ill think about it but ur my type"
so i hopeful

my internet is dying super hard

[humble marsh]

hoping for u

[pale dock]

thank uuuuu

[regal bluff]

what is this slander

Veruta is obviously the best gun

[pale dock]

i dont like that wording immediately

"(dont try it)" how about u say why not kmsdkms

also not "slightly" it is just betteer

plain much better

[jolly yarrow]

who wrote that page lol

it is kinda heavily biased

[humble marsh]

really?

[jolly yarrow]

[[Veruta]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Veruta

[jolly yarrow]

the language feels too dismissive to me

“don’t bother trying this bc fuck you ig”

[autumn girder]

based

[stark crag]

Checked wiki history to see when this was done. March 15th 2025

[pale dock]

im rewriting

but juat checking the history

[stark crag]

OK good to know, I am not currently editing the page

[real rose]

LMAO

[autumn girder]

I think my favorite part is that I dont even recognize the username

[regal bluff]

Did you guys actually go and rewrite it no way

[stark crag]

if anyone did it would be slendo

[regal bluff]

Yeah

It's different now

[stark crag]

I generally don't touch weapon pages at present time, I do expedition and enemy pages

[regal bluff]

Yeah you did tell me once

[pale dock]

it read so bad

[real rose]

I hope

Text in a wiki should be neutral

Whoever wrote the old MG text wrote their opinion within the text

And that's straight up bad

[regal bluff]

I agree, let's not put personal opinion on any article

[stark crag]

I have done this by mixing it with fact, on the R5E1 page. Naturally it lists normal route and has Trivia for Cell Skip. The opinion is mixed with a fact that Fog Repellers are ONLY found in Z529 Lockers and if you don't know that, you will have a significantly worse time trying to enter Z530, and that it's a really good idea to take them for the alarm

for normal route clears that becomes basically a necessity of knowledge

[regal bluff]

Isn't that more of a tip rather than opinion

[stark crag]

yeah, that's another way to put it

[regal bluff]

Yeah

[stark crag]

you aren't required to take the repellers but that alarm room is tiny, enemies path to all doors in the room to break them, and the room is full of fog and spitters so it's a pretty horrible experience without repellers since the alarm is all full team scans

that alarm is where I see most normal route clears fail

[regal bluff]

Oh it's that one surge right

Class III I think

Yeah take repellers for that

[grizzled crater]

Imo explaining how some weapons are stronger/weaker (but also explaining why) is completely fine

The issue with the mg text is random bits that dont even really explain anything but also are wrong (mgs dont struggle in killing bigs, they are slow at it. Efficiency wise they are actually ok for that too)
The recoil is heavily overplayed aswell

The efficiency point is the only thing true. Their base ammo doesnt rly counteract it too well. That coupled with them having pretty slow time to kill. A charge up and long reloads is why they arent that great

[stark crag]

this is an excellent baseline to go off of for the weapon pages, I agree with this

[regal bluff]

The issue I had was with those notes saying "(don't try it)" and all it feels discouraging and unnecessarily critical

I know that Veruta is a bad gun and there are better alternatives but there are better ways to express it than outright just discouraging everyone

[grizzled crater]

Yea thats what I meant

[jolly yarrow]

if anything, we should be gaslighting new players about scattergun

[stark crag]

that's like the one weapon page I have edited

[jolly yarrow]

it’s actually the worst gun, really bad in an unfunny way. don’t try it

[humble marsh]

shoots too many pellets which is a big strain on your cpu

[dusk star]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://R5D2 team is the map supposed to look like that?

[shell ocean]

that's prob the og map

[dark citrus]

Yeah it is from OG R5

[limber canopy]

well first off that's the fandom wiki

[shell ocean]

so true

[dark citrus]

[[R5D2]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R5D2

[dusk star]

mb team

[trim grove]

??????

[humble marsh]

yea they gave a weak weapon pierce not the other way around

[trim grove]

i dont even understand what this trivia is trying to say

[stark crag]

weapon pages going wild with this

[jolly yarrow]

love misinformation

[dusk star]

We need an AI generated essay on why this is ?

[real rose]

Malefic did it

Probably

[dark citrus]

This is Not misinfo, but someone trying to force in some unneeded theory to increase the Word Count in the english Essay

We are Not the Same

[stark crag]

March 29th 2023 version added this

it has been there since

[pale dock]

not misinfo just funky

[pale dock]

basically that sawed off cannot kill 2 enemies at the same time but hel shotty can

more than a 'shortcoming' should b worded as

...

i actually dont know another work but yes

[stark crag]

Let me handle this weapon page

[trim grove]

Why tf is that on the page

Who was smoking

And what

[pale dock]

cuz trivia idk

cuz it says how sawed off sometimes CAN kill 2 enemies at once

but hel shottie does it easier

[trim grove]

Nah I hate it

[pale dock]

:[

[trim grove]

https://tenor.com/view/take-him-to-the-principals-office-mr-electric-sharkboy-lavagirl-principals-office-gif-4335338353965964559

[limber canopy]

well....
technically you can kill 8 enemies with 1 shots with the sawed off

[pale dock]

i meean in normal gameplay

[dusk star]

How many pellets does the scatter have?

[dark citrus]

[[scattergun]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Scattergun

[dark citrus]

32

[dusk star]

Theoretically it could one shot 32 eepers

[dark citrus]

scatter the babies, MG the mom

[dusk star]

Fr

[vestal crest]

ok but sawed off can kill 2 enemies with one shot

[pale dock]

next 3 messages:

[stark crag]

i'm redoing the sawed off page now because the wiki page for it isnt really that descriptive of the kind of presence it holds nowadays

[stark crag]

where R7E1 enemylist

[pale dock]

i i did

didn't i

oh no wait

i haven't

i'm doing the strat for it too

[stark crag]

honestly with how large the known bugs part is does this page need a strat section lol

it has already become one of the longest expedition wiki pages

[pale dock]

gaming

let's make it the longest

[stark crag]

genuinely concerned for page bloat

[verbal knot]

Ha

I don't regret starting the page
I sure don't like how it'll end though

[stark crag]

what's on there is very relevant; like how teleporting to Alpha Two unlocks the achievement for killing a P-Mother without taking any damage from Baby Strikers is unlocked for free because the level itself kills her but it counts as prisoners doing so

and this level is very notably buggy unfortunately

[cyan coral]

what notable bugs are there? scout bombing is really easy to incidentally trigger, desync can do funny stuff, i can't think of any other frequent and relevant bug

[stark crag]

In addition to the P-Mother spawning issues and Immortal animations, Fairly often Big Flyers and the Tank spawns get stuck behind the Flesh Wall and can randomly unstuck themselves after around a minute, so if prisoners decide to go do the Shadow code hunt they can then be ambushed during that

Glitchy collision also exists in Z447A at the end of the hall due to the elevator tile clipping into it pretty significantly

[trim grove]

enemies getting stuck is prevalent in every level, it isnt unique to r7e1

[trim grove]

something like this doesnt need to be there

I think on the actual level page only things you will actually encounter and/or make a gameplay difference should be there

scout bombing is like the only thing really

[stark crag]

It does, you can't jump and there's a locker spawn that can happen where this clipping occurs

[trim grove]

What do you mean you cant jump

[stark crag]

jumping will do nothing, you're hitting an invisible ceiling next to an invisible wall that shouldnt be there

let me go get a screenshot

[trim grove]

But how does this affect gameplay at all?

The box that spawns at the end is always accessible

[stark crag]

the invisible ceiling in this area is at the top of that weird wall blocking the locker

you can still get to it by going on the green arch

I have culling turned off in this screenshot. You can't see any of this during normal gameplay, but the collision still exists

[full yew]

R7E1 ?

[stark crag]

yeah

this is in the blood door zone where you get the cell

[full yew]

I know :)

I reported that years ago

comes from the two zones eating into each other at that point

[stark crag]

oh wow; yep that is what happens and sadly it is still in current patch

There is a fix for it now-- BorkenCellGeoFix

[trim grove]

Personally i think that could be added to a different page, but i think it just adds bloat to the r7e1 page. 99.99% of people dont encounter that

And it doesnt alter the gameplay

[cyan coral]

ya

and people will work their way around it

[trim grove]

I knew that was a thing, I just have never actually encountered it in my games

[full yew]

It used to be like that

some of the texture has been fixed

but not all of it

[stark crag]

that's actually still there, it just happens quite inconsistently

[full yew]

Oh.

Well.

[stark crag]

most of the time now it's just that wall near the locker but I have gotten your screenshot like... twice

that's the visible part of the ceiling

[full yew]

Reported in may, 2022

I thought it was fixed, but that was three years ago... I don't remember exactly if it was marked as fixed

[stark crag]

As of May, 2025 I can personally vouch it as not fixed without the aforementioned plugin

[stark crag]

@trim grove went to double check something before just removing it off the page... this actually does affect gameplay, if you bring pablo into this glitchy collision, he won't attack anymore while here and I got him to wallphase near locker in the corner

[trim grove]

That isnt something you will ever encounter in a game though

You would be tanking hits to pull him there and probably dont even have enough health to do it

[stark crag]

You are right, but it's less than you think-- I can consistently do it by crouching next to the desk in the corner and it takes only 2 tongue hits to do it, and pablo gets stuck enough that you can get out taking 0 hits afterwards

[trim grove]

But yeah again no one has ever actually experienced this in an actual game i would bet money on it

[stark crag]

definitely the funniest stuck spot I've seen for him because it sure looks like he has absolutely no reason to not be attacking you but he can't

fair enough though

[cyan coral]

looking at the known bugs section of the wiki, yeah idk how to feel about it

though it's (somewhat, even debatably) useful to have the universal relevant issues section

half of it is a complete nothing burger

[stark crag]

scout bombing should absolutely be listed here even though it isn't exclusive to this level by any means

[cyan coral]

yeah scout bombing is very relevant

but snatcher bug, terminal locking, respawn barcodes

not really anything to write home about

[stark crag]

good call, can leave those for bug wiki page itself

the question is, what about the borkencell stuff

[trim grove]

what does that mean

[cyan coral]

i guess there's always the option to put something down like "XYZ bugs have the potential to disrupt sections of this mission, see bug page for more details) instead of having 3 bullet points for everything listed

idk it seems foreign to me that stuff about terminal locking and snatcher bug should be present on every mission page where there's a necessary terminal, or a snatcher

[stark crag]

borken cell is a term from the modded server, it refers to level geometry not being properly situated and causing level generation issues, R7E1 has 12 borken cells, 1 here in Zone 447, and 11 of them in Zone 460

[cyan coral]

a term derived from logs, rather

[stark crag]

yeah

I'm mostly familiar with the one in Z447, the 11 in Zone 460 make that tile very broken overall but you don't even normally go in there I think, you get the code and full sprint to extract

sure there are supplies in there but so is pablo and the only cover is in Z457

[jolly yarrow]

am inclined to agree with this. there’s hardly a point to stopping people who are determined to cheese. and pablo generally is quite easy to cheese regardless of bug fixes

not to discredit the fix

[stark crag]

the fix by hirnu was mainly done because of just not being able to jump properly due to the invisible ceiling

I am almost finished with the redo of the page

updated, it's just a footnote now and much information is being moved to Bug Wiki page (updating, done)

[dusk star]

damn got a bug where the MWP couldnt be picked up

dunno if its in the wiki ^

[pale dock]

its not eextremely uncommon for items to be placed on somee spots and then be just kinda locked or only able to be picked up from very specific angles

[jolly yarrow]

sometimes bots can grab things that become stuck

[stark crag]

I can explain what happened here, I was in dim1 and just walked off into the distance with it and dropped it before teleporting back, and the MWP teleported back with us to dim0. We tried many different angles around the rockface but it was never showing the prompt to pick it back up again, really funny

[jolly yarrow]

mm yeah

that’s unfortunate

[trim grove]

we had a crazy r5b3 speed today where eva dropped the cargo and it got stuck

just an unfortunate part of the tiles

[jolly yarrow]

the stupid interaction hitbox for the big pickup is smaller than the terrain it was put under

[stark crag]

some objective items also feel like they have very weird hitboxes, like dataspheres can only be picked up from the side and not if you're standing right above it, which is a problem in R8B4

sounds like a plugin idea...

[stark crag]

holy hitboxes batman

[trim grove]

bro what is that hitbox 😭

[verbal knot]

ah yes, the faq u hitboxese
bcs why not

[humble oracle]

it looks like a hi-sec cargo, maybe?

a copy paste job?

[limber canopy]

it's not that hard to change a hitbox lol

[hoary plover]

[real rose]

What the fuck

Bro I knew this game was awfully made but I never expected it to be this bad

[pale dock]

i had to choosee this as my hyperfixation

[jolly yarrow]

i can fix her

[dark citrus]

She can fix me

[stark crag]

I willingfully chose. It must be documented

[hushed turtle]

You guys just don't see the vision.

The top is the pointy part; obviously you need to grab it from the bottom. Duh.

[fallen vessel]

Anyone have the old image for r6bx? (not the alt rundown)
Images on https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Rundown_6.0 have the new BX and the old CX side by side

[limber canopy]

Would be funny if fandom still has og bx as the map

[fallen vessel]

Maybe?

[limber canopy]

we should probably add limb hp to enemy pages, it keeps on reoccuring when im thinking about weapon stats but there isn't any easy way to find it

[dark citrus]

Honestly, surprised it is Not listed yet

[limber canopy]

Would try adding that if I knew where the stats for enemies are stored at but I don’t

[jolly yarrow]

EnemyBalanceDataBlock

[limber canopy]

i have like no idea where those datablocks are stored at for vanilla nor do i know the stat name

alr i found a github that has (i hope) updated values for r8

[pale dock]

its ok limb hp hastnt been updated in yeaars

[limber canopy]

i now have no idea how to add limb hp to the template

or where to find it

[pale dock]

oh no righht we need to edit the template to be able to toggle the option to addd limb hp

uh

[limber canopy]

welp ima wait for that to happen because on the only spot i think might be the actual template i cant even find where the thing for health is at

[limber canopy]

@sly narwhal I need your help to add limb hp to the infobox template, you’re the only person I think would know that stuff

[sly narwhal]

1. add limb hp to the |Details = field (line 7). The position you put it in the list matters (as that dictates the order in which the fields appear in the infobox). Maybe add it immediately after stagger hp or something.
2. add a line for | limb hp_label = Limb HP (maybe after the one for the stagger hp_label)

(I know, I could just do it myself, but y'know figured you might want to know how to do it yourself or something. Check out https://support.wiki.gg/wiki/DRUID_infoboxes if you want to find out more)

[jolly yarrow]

you can use something like mtfo to dump them

[limber canopy]

it works yippee

didn't break anything

i think

for bubble enemies, should i put it as
limb hp = x per tumor

or leave it as it is

[dark citrus]

limb is a limb

tumor is a limb

[dusk star]

me when limb isnt a limb

[grizzled crater]

tumors arent rly... limbs

[dusk star]

Astolfo_beanbonk

[dark citrus]

the brain turmor i have says otherwise

[limber canopy]

is your chest a limb

[grizzled crater]

I mean with how they behave ingame...

[limber canopy]

limb = thing that can break off in gtfo logic

[grizzled crater]

if a limb breaks what happens to the enemy

if a tumor breaks what happens to the enemy

[limber canopy]

ok lemme make a new thing on the infobox

[grizzled crater]

if you shoot a mom tumor with a sniper how much dmg do you do
if you shoot a shooter head (or arm), how much dmg do you do

[limber canopy]

should i also add a tumor amount? it should always be the same right

[grizzled crater]

I dont think its that necessary?

[limber canopy]

wait can you break a nightmare scout's legs

[stark crag]

yes but consider that theyre armored and its realistically never gonna occur

you're far more likely to kill the NM scout well before you ever do so

youd have to scattergun its legs a couple of times

[grizzled crater]

it could only happen if 1. they have limb hp and 2. limb hp is lower than total hp

[limber canopy]

ouch

[grizzled crater]

as someone who has forced people to kill a nightmare scout with bat hits to armor only I feel like it happened but dont remember

[stark crag]

killing a NM Scout with bat to only armor is a heck of a bingo space

[grizzled crater]

was a pretty fun one for people to figure out that it wasnt scary

[limber canopy]

wait wtf why is there already a limb health stat on the mega mom page

[dark citrus]

wasnt it knife slashes only?

[dark citrus]

its on all boss enemies pages

[limber canopy]

it's the only one i actually noticed then lol

[stark crag]

Listing limb health on tank and mom pages seems not that useful

With their armor it’s considerably higher so I would probably list an eHP value for those

[limber canopy]

did tumor hp instead as its own thing

[proper sundial]

https://youtu.be/JKnC58tKmoM?si=Hg6A8K50ajhOtly0 is this cannon?

[cyan coral]

zzzzzzzzzzz f tier human being with 0 content

also schaeffer isn't old enough for that

and his name isn't shaffer

and his name is john

but really fuck asmongold

[proper sundial]

Yeah close

[proper sundial]

I like watching his shorts channel cus his editor is a god among mortals

[stark crag]

This doesn't seem relevant to this channel

I suggest lore channel

[proper sundial]

Watch it it’s totally how Schaefer got into legion and should totally be put on the wiki

[proper sundial]

Can I post vid links there?

[cyan coral]

i'd question why one would wish to post asmongold anywhere but a shitty meme channel in a backwater discord, but yeah links can be posted there

nothing stops you from posting links anywhere, mind you

[full yew]

I mean...

[proper sundial]

Oh no

[full yew]

Please try to keep any video posted here related to GTFO

[proper sundial]

I normally do just thought the name was a funny semi coincidence

[jolly yarrow]

[dusk star]

the general chat...

[dusk star]

hate to see him ngl

[fallen vessel]

cockroach guy rears his ugly head again

[dusk star]

Steal from the poor give to the rich type shit

[humble marsh]

vro is more annoying than hybrids

[dusk star]

Worse than spitters

[proper sundial]

Yeah at least spitters can accept that they are bald

[dusk star]

Frfr

[pallid marsh]

made some changes on https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Shelling_Arid_5_High_Caliber_Pistol to reflect the Arids actual hipfire capability

based on testing. old article made the hipfire sound unusable

[stark crag]

ah that is the wrong wiki domain

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Shelling_Arid_5_High_Caliber_Pistol

This is the one you want

we are on wiki.gg now

[pallid marsh]

oh im editing teh FDANDOM wiki. WHOOPS

let me transfer those over then

thank you

things ive changed, and one minor typo

@undone compass id like access to the wiki logs channel please :)

[limber canopy]

that's a channel? what does it even have

[stark crag]

I wasn't aware of such a channel, and we can view recent changes on wiki anyway on sidebar

[pale dock]

recent, i imagine its all the hsitory on the logs one

[limber canopy]

btw i think i found a new bug related to terminals that get given a new command (not from base) like in r8b4 that makes it not unlock the command
here's how it happened:
on the second travelling scan (zone 159), someone started it while i was already on the terminal that gets the first venting command, but the command never appeared, even after getting off the terminal multiple times and retyping the "commands" command, it did finally appear after the hud message to vent popped up for a second time while i was off of the terminal

i dont know what other missions could have that situation happen but it was not nice to have one of us be forced to tank infection for half of the scan duration

[undone compass]

Granted

[undone compass]

Logs of all wiki edits

[pallid marsh]

thanks

[pale dock]

what will u log with so much powoer

[dark citrus]

Can you give me head Moderator perms? Turst me bro i will Not do anything Bad

[undone compass]

sure

when we make that role

[stark crag]

I'd also like to request access for this. I need to catch up on my backlog now that I am settling into my new place

[undone compass]

granted

[dark citrus]

Say, wouldnt it be funny If you muted me in VCs?

Then i wont need any excused to Play muted

[undone compass]

Yeah but then I’ll get blamed

[dark citrus]

*praised

[dusk star]

Praised*

Soy you should give one person image perms and embed perms in all chats to troll the new people

[dusk star]

Also soy any update on the delete spoilers and get image perms in gen ?

[undone compass]

Probably but I don’t remember

[dusk star]

🙏hopping it happens one day

[pallid marsh]

source: trust me bro

[pale dock]

the source is it sucks real hard

i understand liking it but we r not arguing what the huge majority of server and pro players define as one of the very worst mains of the game

[pallid marsh]

source: it sucks bro,,

i just think its really funny

[pale dock]

ok thank god kdmskd i fr fr thought u we're gonna start defending it

i was gonna lose it

[pallid marsh]

i will defend it to the end

die on dogshit hills.

[dusk star]

Spear user?

[pallid marsh]

no i use knife

[dusk star]

Based

[pallid marsh]

best mobility

better for actual combat

[stark crag]

mobility?

I mean I know the spear makes you move slower when charging

[dusk star]

Bro did NOT read

Bro is NOT locked in

[pallid marsh]

mobility isnt actually a stat i just meant it charges the fastest and is generally better for moving around

[stark crag]

Well mobility is a stat, it’s just only on the spear as a negative multiplier while charger as far as I know

[pale dock]

and stam

[stark crag]

Other games would have mobility indeed tied to what weapon you have on hand/your heaviest weapon in your loadout/total equip load

[dark citrus]

it is a modded stat

[pallid marsh]

knives make you run faster bro

[humble marsh]

and holding hacking tool nakes scans fasters

[dark citrus]

only while you are spamming crouch and standing next to a glowstick

[pallid marsh]

its just like real life

[zenith heath]

This image has brought famine and death to my family

[zenith jolt]

Sucks to be you

[fierce valley]

Is this intentional
https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/D-Tek_Optron_IV_Bio_Tracker

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Biotracker_Symbiosis

[dark citrus]

Why Not?

Or are you about the Pages being separated?

[pale dock]

bio is different than symbiosis but tbh both could b merged?

[dusk star]

I think it should be split as it has the same correlation to sentries as it has to bio tracker

[dark citrus]

Imho it should be merged since BS is exclusive to the biotracker, so it should be on the biotracker Page, but how exactly are they affected statwise should be on the sentry page

[dusk star]

🤷‍♂️

[stark crag]

I am on the side of merging these pages. The Sentry pages could link to the Biotracker Symbiosis section of the page

It is a property of the biotracker that affects certain sentries

[fierce valley]

No, Bio is "Bio Tracker", symbiosis is "Biotracker..."

[stark crag]

the usage of bio tracker and biotracker as different terms needs to be unified on wiki

[undone compass]

lmao

love how everyone is thinking its some deep issue with the pages but nah its just cuz theyre written differently

which is pretty funny cuz this wiki is like 5 years old and no one else has noticed

[dusk star]

🗣️🔥

[trim grove]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[fierce valley]

Gonna lose my marbles if this is intentional

[brave citrus]

Lo people! Anyone have an account/history of (succesfully) editing wikipedia.com?

[dusk star]

surely this is about GTFO and defo not about DOW

surely

[trim grove]

I assume it is not difficult at all

[brave citrus]

It's more 10c

[dusk star]

whens the 10c discord server coming out 🔥

[brave citrus]

Haha, for fans of the studio

[dusk star]

surely

[verbal knot]

@humble oracle Would you have anything to do with that?

[dark citrus]

Does active misinfo count as succesfull?

[dusk star]

Surely it does

[brave citrus]

Haha

[stark crag]

I am one of the main folks curating the current wiki.gg to maintain a higher standard of accuracy and thoroughness for GTFO. I have several years of experience across many hundreds of successful edits and discussions with admins across multiple wiki domains, including a range from casual to strictly cited sources.

I took a look, and I am guessing that the goal here is for a 10 Chambers and/or Den of Wolves wikipedia page, with links to GTFO, as part of the accredited game catalogue?

[humble oracle]

Anything to do with what?

[verbal knot]

Oh the wiki side of things

[humble oracle]

Oh I have no idea. I don't edit/monitor any of that.

I've given resources to people who do in the past, but never myself.

[jolly yarrow]

i don’t see why the community needs to have wikipedia history for 10cc..? can’t you guys edit it or whatever yourselves

[pale dock]

i had try creating a dow page but failed cuz my pc kept resetting my progress :D

[humble oracle]

Holy shit warden/bicom reference???

That's deep.

[pale dock]

https://tenor.com/view/niko-one-shot-gif-14574844360591873989

[humble marsh]

woah crazy the cat did that in one shot

[pale dock]

his name is oneshot!!!!

[dusk star]

Fire dunk

[zenith jolt]

John One Shot

[sly narwhal]

funnily enough, I actually do 😅

you trying to make an article on 10 Chambers or something? If so, I'd suggest taking a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_wizard in case you want to get started. I'd personally suggest creating the article as a draft first (instead of creating it directly in mainspace), so there's an opportunity to get the article looking decently fleshed-out before putting it in front of the general public and maybe consider if there's anything in the article, backed up by a reliable secondary source, which could be used as a fact for Wikipedia's 'did you know?' section on the main page

feel free to lmk if you have any questions on the process/need help with anything/etc

[dusk star]

how does 10c not have a wiki page already 😭

[stark crag]

Generally speaking studios don’t get wiki pages until they have multiple games, unless it’s like a merger under a new name or otherwise a huge industry shift. As an example, Team Cherry, the developers of the extremely successful Hollow Knight, don’t have a wiki page

[dusk star]

aint no way

[zenith jolt]

Well the thing is you need a lot of information for a wiki page

[dusk star]

Have you even seen the GTFO Wikipedia page?

You don’t need that much

[zenith jolt]

Yeah but thats only GTFO

10c have the payday series

But like its not all going into like super detail

[dusk star]

Yea like 10c have enough info to be a Wikipedia page

[zenith jolt]

Are you sure?

[dusk star]

Yes?

It could easily be as large as the GTFO Wikipedia page

(Not the wiki.gg but actual Wikipedia)

[zenith jolt]

Yeah but not for 10c wiki

[dusk star]

I think you easily could

[zenith jolt]

Bc its only gonna be like maximumly 3 paragraphs

I dont think its worth enough for it

Even tho some wiki Page are way smaller

But they exist bc they have to and there isnt going to be more information about it

[pale dock]

10c does not have thhe payday series, like 7 people of payday founded 10c

important people yes

but idk how big was the dev team for payday in the first place

[sly narwhal]

TL;DR Wikipedia notability guidelines

(and whether or not people could be arsed to make a page)

[dusk star]

theres actual guidelines that makes it so 10c cant have a wiki page? 😭

[stark crag]

it's a universal thing

[sly narwhal]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability

(In the case of 10 Chambers, the notability guidelines about organizations would apply: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NORG )

[dusk star]

im gonna chatgpt TLDR this n

[sly narwhal]

There's a TL;DR at the top of those pages

[dusk star]

yea i cant read formal stuff rn

[cyan coral]

mfw i piss away a 12 pack of water bottles

[dusk star]

bro 😭

[sly narwhal]

But basically the big questions are:

• How much in-depth coverage is there about 10 Chambers by multiple independent secondary sources?
• Can you argue that 10 Chambers is notable enough to warrant a standalone article about them instead of just having it be a section of the article about GTFO?

[zenith jolt]

We DO NOT need to know that

[cyan coral]

it's a jab at using LLMs

because they consume a lot of water and energy

• idioms

[zenith jolt]

Ah fair enough

[cyan coral]

piss something away is the same as throwing it away basically, just more british

[zenith jolt]

Ah yes

The british

"Flick the camera few times"

[humble oracle]

<@&408548765599793173> , nuke em'!

[zenith jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-gif-23674110

[pale dock]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1144368687105720391/1155693687897071696/noise_goes_wa.gif

[trim grove]

If someone wanted to add to the r8e2 wiki about the corrupt scans, i figured out how they work. From when the door is fully open, 11 events get queued. Each one is like a on/off switch. It starts at 0 and then increments by 18 seconds. So the first event starts after 0 seconds (instantly), next one after 18, next one after 36, etc all the way up to 180 seconds.

So if you want to keep the trap scan, you have to input the code BEFORE the last event, because inputting reactor code automatically turns them all off. So if you turn them off but dont have one of the events to turn them back on, they are gone forever

[pale dock]

ummm well is interesting for a trivia but not as a real strat, all u need to know for completioon is they go on off on off and thats it

[trim grove]

well i mean if you want to use it to cancel an alarm its pretty important

it 100% is a real strat

[humble marsh]

corrupt scans cancel alarm?

[pale dock]

idk feels a bit like for duos or solos- plus it is an exploit after all, cuz cancelling all the enemies of a VI doesnt seem intentional

and the wiki doesnt explain any exploits i believe, nor ladder foam nor stuff

[trim grove]

yes, the teleport one will cancel all alarms once you teleport back

[trim grove]

i mean ig, not really tho

you can do the same thing in r7d1

[pale dock]

oh, how?

[trim grove]

the term to start the full room scan also has the deactivate alarm command on it

so you just start the room scan and deactivate it

[pale dock]

oh but thats more like a dumb oversight

like how u could just leave ov till the very end

[trim grove]

its the same thing in so many levels

people use it as a strat

its still good to know how they work

even if its just so people know how much time they have to ruin through

[pale dock]

in this case however u must b aware that the corrupt scan cancels alarms, purposefully use it to do it on the VI or wherever else, and not die in the process if u dont know the places to cheese enemies
just the concept of walking into the corruptscan

likke u know what u have to do just like laddder foam where u know hoow to do it and when

the having a timer for the corrupt scan yes but i think its already there

[[R8E2]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R8E2

[pale dock]

"The lights will turn on/off every 18 seconds, making the Corrupt Scans appear/disappear accordingly."

[trim grove]

yeah ig its on there

idk i think its useful

[pale dock]

i mean its trivia- one could put it in the page as that, but i dont think its worth mentionin it cancels alarms

need a second opinion

[dusk star]

put it in the trivia section or smth like that

imo i think it shouldnt be brought into the spotlight but still be in the corner of the room

shouldnt be pub strats since ur skipping a large part of the mission but should be known for speeds

type shit

[humble marsh]

shit

[dusk star]

obedient

[humble marsh]

🥺

[dusk star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/251764895639404545/1363508270244827336/reaction_gif.gif

[shell ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/and-cunning-vicious-and-cunning-victim-pot-of-greed-gif-10827349568535858072

[real rose]

Dumbass got hacked

[verbal knot]

Dumbass cat?

That's sad

[regal bluff]

Dumbass no 😭

[real rose]

Not him 😭

[dusk star]

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-noooo-nooo-noo-no-gif-17139315586294057944

[dark citrus]

No His Brother, dumbass dog

[stark crag]

Time to edit the Apparel page...

[dark citrus]

No Cut stuff. Its out of limits

[stark crag]

I'm not listing that

only officially released Apparel

[dark citrus]

[stark crag]

The cosmetic deficit is worse than I thought

I had to run the plugin just to count it all out and sort it to be triple sure

[dark citrus]

Is Not everything listed yet?

[stark crag]

it's incorrectly counted

[[Apparel]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Apparel

[stark crag]

Take a look

[dark citrus]

Do you mean that the counting was done pre R8 before new stuff Got added?

Or is there a fundamental flaw with the counting

[stark crag]

yes

I also think there is a slight counting error too but I need someone who has been playing since OG R6 and OG R7 and cleared them before they got changed to verify

[humble oracle]

what do you need?

[stark crag]

I'm getting help, but it needs to be someone who has been around since at least OG R6 and R7 before they got changed and full swept them all for the cosmetics

[humble oracle]

i don't have picture proof for r7, but i've cleared 100% of ogr6 and ogr7

what do you mean by "changed"?

[stark crag]

R7 used to offer the KDS Proto Cage as a guaranteed cosmetic

[humble oracle]

i have that

one of my favorite backpacks

[stark crag]

Now it's just that mask for beating all R7 missions once

[stark crag]

What did you do during ALT R4

[humble oracle]

huh?

i don't know if i have alt://r4 completed

[stark crag]

During ALT R4 and before ALT R5 you could request ALT R4 progress to be reset to get more cosmetic drops than usual due to a bug preventing correct drops

[humble oracle]

i haven't heard about that so idk

sorry

[cyan coral]

#game-announcements message

there you are

can i get a RESET REQUEST up in here

[cyan coral]

wtf i'm missing a torso piece

[stark crag]

Qantex Windbeater-- same one I'm missing, checked it. Added with R8 as a random drop

Also just discovered a typo on the page because of it, fixing now

[stark crag]

@undone compass am I allowed to list the Striker Patrol variant on the Striker wiki page, precedence is that it's clearly shown in several official gameplay trailers (it was also the appearance of the Striker as it is now), but never encountered in the final game, and this is also true for sleeping Snatchers shown in ALT R5 Trailer

the Snatcher page has long since mentioned that unused sleeping detail to them

I feel like this falls into a sort of "grey area" regarding cut content because it was officially shown more than once, it isn't a "never mentioned, never released" type of situation

[pale dock]

the striker patrol is more of an unused and planned enemy rather, i dont thnk it would fit

would be like listing a siren which like eh

even the tentacle has a page but its an orphan page i think

[stark crag]

We don't have in-game footage of the Siren though

the only remainder of the Siren is opening R5A2 Overload bulkhead and unused sounds for it

We possess in-game footage of Striker Patrol, but it's obviously not part of the final release, similar to not seeing sleeping Nightmare Giants and Snatchers

[pale dock]

yeah but its still not seen anywhere in any sort of form either in trailers or references
maybe if u made moreso a page for unused enemies, but that also wouldnt fit much in the wiki

[stark crag]

I would love to do that personally, just look at the Bioshock Infinite unused/cut content page

[stark crag]

If this is referring to Striker Patrol, it is seen in trailers and gameplay reveals

[pale dock]

wha

[stark crag]

Yeah it's seen in one of the early footage trailers talking about enemy stealth mechanics

[pale dock]

c can u link me

[humble oracle]

@stark crag the https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Techman_Arbalist_V_Machine_Gun didn't have a 20 round mag in ogr1. the "patches" section is wrong.

[stark crag]

fixed

[humble oracle]

idk why 10cc decided to butcher my baby so badly

it was incredible in r1

they just made it into an inferior veruta

[stark crag]

what was the dmg in OG R1? seems like it was insanely high

[humble oracle]

it was a 2 shot for strikers.

i don't know the numbers.

[stark crag]

bodyshots?

[humble oracle]

3 shot for shooters

bodyshots.

[stark crag]

so it was at least 10 damage in today's numbers

[humble oracle]

they slightly increased its maximum ammo and cut it's damage in half

[stark crag]

@trim grove from Giant wiki page:

If the players get too far away from the Giant, it will run to catch up.

Surely this isn't true? Was it ever true?

asking because I've seen your long kites

I just went into KDS Deep and spawned some giants in the very far Shadow zone while I was still in spawn. They still just did their typical slow march and took several minutes to get to me

[trim grove]

Every enemy (afaik) has this mechanic, where if you are in a different room they will speed up to get into the room (some enemies like mom and stuff kinda do it but also they are i guess scared of you and will just stay in the other rooom if you are close enough). This is super obvious with tanks. As soon as you step into a different room they will start charging at you even if you are like 5m away

but giants dont "run", they just do their fast walk

[stark crag]

gotcha, yeah will agree on the speedup

The only time I've ever seen Giants full sprint is OG R2 Shadow Giants where they possess the same hobbling sprint as Strikers do

and those are terrifyingly fast because they will do that no matter how far away you are. Thankfully you didn't necessarily have to wake any of them up except the Blood Door

[trim grove]

bro who tf added Tony as an alias

[stark crag]

The aliases are kind of excessive and wacky at the moment yeah

[trim grove]

someone fucking added"Big Freaky" at one point

[stark crag]

I've cleaned up most aliases at this point but the redirects still remain as I will need Soy for cleaning those up as they reflect some of those very additions

Just last night I added an alias for Corrupt Scans

(official name is Security Sensors)

I've heard/seen Corrupt Scan, Trap Scan, Fake Scan, and Security Sensor be used

[dusk star]

It is true, it’s like when it’s targeting someone far away it starts moving rapid

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/585063132553281556/798962215276380240/walkingbigguy.gif

This gif is a sped up version of it

[stark crag]

that isn't sprinting, it's the speedwalk

[trim grove]

^

[dusk star]

Samesame

[stark crag]

So, I actually am at sort of an impasse once again editing the Giant page

Giants have an unused variant called Striker Boss which is a fast crawling Giant

BUT

you can get a Giant to crawl for a moment and attack in the same exact way if it does so once it finishes climbing a ladder, which I have seen on R5E1 attempts

And I’m trying to describe the Giant variants in comparison to the Striker

Furthermore they have an attack and sounds from early gameplay trailers that they no longer use

[pale dock]

i still think if u wanna add unused enemies

just make an unused enemy page

we dont need to bloat enemy pages with unused content that the people who check wiki r not interestedd in

cuz wiki its for strats, numbers, details

not rlly unused stuff as much, u can add one or two but a whole unused variants either trivia or its own individual section
also my internet is dyinghelp

[stark crag]

This goes against the wiki rule Soy has set I’d need his permission

The reality is Striker Patrol was THE Striker appearance in early gameplay footage

Giants possessed a unique tongue whip attack if you shot off their head and the striker boss giant variant is just a wave fast variant equivalent of the striker

[pale dock]

get asking then

[stark crag]

And yes while they are not used in the final game, official sourced footage of it exists

[stark crag]

I did yesterday

The early gameplay Giant sounds are pretty cool honestly

they are much more guttural in nature and they don't really roar

[stark crag]

There's honestly a lot of "cut content" that is lurking just under the surface

Like this clip. That sound is from the cut Siren enemy, but this is vanilla and it plays when you open the R5A2 OVL Bulkhead

[dusk star]

Sounds like it could’ve also been for tank ngl

[stark crag]

The Tank existed in the game files since OG R1 if you want to get exact, and just wasn't used until R4 after it was refined. This existed long before even that

[dusk star]

Yea just meant it fits tank imo

[quartz rune]

alright so far from reading the wiki articles i’ve only noticed two things to change

in r1c2, the door leading to 98 is a normal alarm whereas the door leading to 99 is a charger only alarm; the wiki never mentions that the alarms are different

and then in r2c1 there’s a remnant of the old enemy formatting: there’s some footnotes with asterisks regarding where enemies spawn but no asterisks in the actual enemies list

[pale dock]

[[R1C2]]

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R1C2

[quartz rune]

r2d2’s page doesn’t mention that at the start of the 10th wave, 24 strikers are spawned in addition to the regular reactor waves

[trim grove]

Wait dodo is cooking with the knowledge

I thought you were a pub

[quartz rune]

my knowledge only extends to the levels i remember

r2d2 plagued me for a long long time so i distinctly remember the details of it

imma have to play back r2 and r3’s a and b tiers because i have no recollection of most of them

just for making sure that the info’s correct and such

[dark citrus]

the bug wiki is missing a lot of stuff

[cyan coral]

are you looking at fandom or wikigg?

ah yea it's wikigg

[pale dock]

workk in progress byyy soomeone, i dont remember who was woorkin on that pagee

[trim grove]

ghostlymire pre sure

[pale dock]

and golden i think

[stark crag]

Most of those are told in initial section but please feel free to let me know

Most of that is remainder from initial append from raw text from tech support threads

[dark citrus]

from the top of my head:

1. Cfoam launcher holding charge sound does not loop properly, so if you keep holding the charge it will stop making any sounds untill you stop charging
2. If you swap from Biotracker mid charge the charge will be stored and keep ringing
3. If the ping is high enough you can ping dead bodies that will not disappear even after the body dissolves
4. If the ping is high enough any consumable mines or from the deployer can spawn without a laser what can lead to them not detonating when an enemy passes it
5. Sometimes when sentry gets emptied it can make a sound as if it were shooting all of its bullet in an instant
6. When a sentry gets emptied it can que up a shot that will be immedietly fired upon refilling (especially dangerous with sniper sentries)
7. Shooter bug also does not mention that besides making foam going through the doors, sentries will also shoot through it and tripmine lasers can also go through it, so mines facing the door will instantly blow up breaking the door

[stark crag]

wow this is extremely helpful

time to get to adding it alongside remote door break and the rundown progression bug

[dark citrus]

there is much more that i need either proof for or i have straight up forgotten 🥀

i really need the footage of the sentry backhandle expanding and then collapsing to prove that i am not crazy

[jolly yarrow]

sounds like you shouldn’t have bad ping

[stark crag]

I do know the reason behind #6 actually: this is because of a target acquisition logic failure, it still thinks the target it last shot at is still alive when its refilled while deployed, and Dinorush fixes this one in ETC

[dark citrus]

yeah

[stark crag]

it does indeed waste the shot too

The one advantage to shooterbug (dodging projectiles) definitely does not outweigh all of the minuses when you are trying to not waste ammo

[trim grove]

pretty sure the no laser on mine thing is not determined by ping

[shell ocean]

adding to #2 if you then swap back to bio you only need to click and not hold to ping

[trim grove]

i have had it on host, and im pretty sure its just jank geometry

[trim grove]

bro i love when my sniper sentry gets a dumpy

[pale dock]

couold b a mix of both

or happen differently out of both

cuz i had it rejoining games

[shell ocean]

1 sec

[trim grove]

yeah same

[dark citrus]

honestly, could be a case

when you join late when a mine is already placed it can also have not laser, but it does not impact its performance

[shell ocean]

didn't do the collapsing since it ran out of ammo

pretty sure it has something to do with them turning over what they should be able to when an enemy runs past

[dark citrus]

yeah this shit is so goofy lmao

[crimson lion]

Snatcher, getting stuck in the dimension, enemies spawning in the snatcher dimension, tentacles stuck on face, getting your fov flip 90 degrees.

Tower defence enemies where enemies are aggroed on someone a few rooms over and won’t ever hurt you until they hit something that retargets them

Big flies going through walls

Flyer skipping death blood and instant popping out of existence.

Enemies only being able to scream in one room and have it count

[trim grove]

tower defence tank is goated

[crimson lion]

It really is but I just want to find all the enemy bugs snatcher is so funny

[trim grove]

the one where your pov starts spinning is so goood

HOW does that even happen

[stark crag]

should be on snatcher page

the Snatcher is absoutely unacceptably buggy lol

[crimson lion]

just remember

It was more buggy when it launched

Sentry reset on snatcher grap. Snatcher having left leg amour

Is the snatcher entering a hunt phase and then not making it to you because it doesn’t have good path finding a bug or poor design choice

Dodging snatcher attack only so it changes target and 180 and grabs your teammate

Unlike. any other attack in the hame

[void prawn]

R8D2 doesn't mention the snatcher that spawns after picking up MWP

[pale dock]

[[R8D2]]

m

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R8D2

[pale dock]

yes it does wdym

:3

[dark citrus]

It doesnt Spawn Just two snatchers Nor is it starting upon Picking the MWP up

[pale dock]

fuck

but it is two isnt it

i never seen more than 2

[dark citrus]

Its an alarm

They Spawn with a certain delay

[pale dock]

it must bee a long delay

[dark citrus]

I think i have the Screenshot of the Trigger that describes how the Thing is supposed to be behaving

Lemme get Back home

[pale dock]

also idk how to express- i know its not upon pickiing the mwp but its just easier to say that cuz describin a position trigger its funk

[dark citrus]

"Upon going Up the stairs"

[pale dock]

the only tiime it happens in gtfo like that iis r5e1 but in there that actually matters

i guess thats a way i thought it was coming up of chafis room

[dark citrus]

also it does not mention that you need to find a key in 41 to open 42

[grizzled crater]

Wdym the only one?

[pale dock]

tthat i remember ngl

[pale dock]

the fabric of reality

should read better

snathe

i hate my keyboard

:[

[grizzled crater]

Ye but the only what

[pale dock]

oh

like- spawn that occurs on hitbox rather than door/event

like just walkiing through something

[dark citrus]

R6CX has a trigger that completes upon having LOS to it

speaking of, the wording of "confirm the status of Unit 27" is pretty vague

[pale dock]

[[R6CX]] aa

[rough widget]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R6CX

[pale dock]

oh god the enemy list

it says "Exploring the zone is sufficient to trigger the confirmation. Once confirmed, the door to Zone 83 will open." which like i feel isnt true ksmkdm

[dark citrus]

its just a lenghtly way of saying "Just run around till you find the right thing lmao"

[pale dock]

pretty much

smh ur giivin me work now i gotta update these ksks

ii wiish i had a functional keyboard to do so

[dark citrus]

blame him, i wouldnt check for other mistakes if not for feedback

[dark citrus]

use one of those voice keyboards

[pale dock]

i have people around

thats why i am no miic versiion

[dark citrus]

damm so the voices in le head are loud enough for us to hear them?

[pale dock]

maybe

[void prawn]

I swear when playing with @toxic pollen @ionic yacht and @obtuse heron earlier it didn't

[pale dock]

iit didnt wah

start the alarm?

someone tp'd the mwp and just skiipped the sequence then

[void prawn]

It didn't mention the snatchers

[pale dock]

oh

[dark citrus]

dont believe in his gaslighting. he just updated the wiki

[pale dock]

i just ediited

iit

rn

goober

:3

[void prawn]

Ohh, god damn gas-lit stoving

[pale dock]

me when i cook

[grizzled crater]

R6CX, R8B4, R8D2, R8E2

Theres actually quite a few

[pale dock]

r8b4... e2...
uhhhhhhhh

r8b4 ii guess u mean the ending error isnt that aa door opening

e2s i have no idea