gtfo-spoiler-chat

[halcyon lily]

ye exactly

[robust marsh]

it wouldn't care

if anything we are helping him

biomass does not = sleepers

dead sleepers= more biomass

for the hive

cause they can make more stuff with the dead ones

than the alive ones

maybe but again it ran off

[halcyon lily]

Oh. Hm. I was under the assumption it had to dedicate biomass to make a sleeper. Like it takes time and energy like the Khaara from Natural Selection

[robust marsh]

and we know its always been in the complex

[halcyon lily]

So while a dead sleeper can be remade into something else

[robust marsh]

unless the hivemind started to evolve

[halcyon lily]

It still takes time and energy

[mortal granite]

next rundown Maddox comeback as a new enemy

[robust marsh]

the sleepers are a product of humans meeting the virus

[halcyon lily]

I have a different head cannon though. I like to think of them as white blood cells made by the main biomass

Like they are humans for sure

[robust marsh]

the tank-mother-prime mother-snatcher-wall sacks are the product of the biomass

[halcyon lily]

But bio engineered to protect the biomass

[robust marsh]

if it was made from bio mass it would look very very diffrently

than a human

[halcyon lily]

Perhaps! The mothers and fathers and hybrids all look pretty human still.

[robust marsh]

the mother and the tank have hard skin and have tumors that have to be killed

aka biomass

the hybird is human

[halcyon lily]

Like advanced versions of the skintags we see hanging off shooters

[robust marsh]

just a big chuncky one

[halcyon lily]

I'm still thinking that Warden is corrupted by the virus at this point.

[robust marsh]

the tank/mother/snatcher all evolved and came from biomass

[halcyon lily]

I dont trust it.

[robust marsh]

cause they have bullet proof skin

the hivemind most likely learned that we use guns and bullets

so it made a counter

[halcyon lily]

Aye I can believe that.

[robust marsh]

the warden is a DI

[halcyon lily]

Oh I thought it was an AI my mistake

[robust marsh]

it cant get corrupted its not a living being

[robust marsh]

biocom is an AI

[halcyon lily]

Are they linked at all?

[robust marsh]

yes

[halcyon lily]

I still think Warden is comprimsed then.

[robust marsh]

warden decides best course of action

biocom tells the prisoners and micromanages the whole complex

but the thing is

the warden and the biocom are fighting over control

[halcyon lily]

Interesting...

[robust marsh]

as biocom tried shutting down all main reactors killing the whole power in the complex

[halcyon lily]

Well then perhaps Warden is still on humanities side.

[robust marsh]

but failed cause warden and some personal stopped it from accesising

[halcyon lily]

But the AI is alien then imo

[robust marsh]

its not

[halcyon lily]

It got evolved by the virus imo. Just my headcanon

[robust marsh]

its a red scarlet scenario

the biocom is an AI yes but it doesn't have sentient

it just fallows protocal

but yes the warden and biocom both are overseeded by someone

[halcyon lily]

I like to think the virus was like oil moving through the alien ship and when it came into contact with elements and things on Earth it had unintended side affects. Like they're essential just nano machines made to operate the alien ship and it's cascaded into the AI being taken over by it.

Because humans are essentially just complex machines

So we could be tweaked and adjusted

[robust marsh]

well from R7E1 we know that the virus can infect anyone

but it needs to be somehow carried for long distances

and it does that by having a parasite to carry it
it inlongs the parasites life time and in return the parasite carries it around

and it can most likely infect anything trough anything with enough time

this info was given to us in a log written by Dauda btw

[halcyon lily]

Hm interesting. They're cool critters for sure!

And creepy...

Hate how peaceful they look when not aggrod

Like they're taking a nice nap

🤮

[robust marsh]

it doesn't help that nato and America both got crippled in a few years after the virus got out of the complex

[halcyon lily]

I think they pretty much made all the necromorphs atm! Cool and sad. I honestly think the Divider is the only one left? A lof of them kind of got combined into various Sleepers

They could add a barnacle, stationary type grabber mob...but...idk...Snatcher seems to fill that role and it's mobile.

[robust marsh]

play modded and see all the sleepers the complex has to offer 🙂

[halcyon lily]

Haha I saw that mod! Lots of cool variations!

[queen field]

That barnacle thing was done in a modded rundown back in R5 (Afterbirth)

It was one of the most annoying enemies in existence

[solemn wigeon]

Afterbirth kekw

[halcyon lily]

Oh snap! It does sound annoying lol. I can only imagine the terror of sneaking through a pack and hearing it too late

It wouldnt mind it on certain levels tbh.

Like as a gimmick

[cobalt isle]

Hi guys, can I try to do the secondary in C3 later on the level or does it need to be done first all the time?

[fierce laurel]

you can do it later

but it's going to get very very hard

[sand widget]

For E1 where is zone 457

I literally cant find it anywhere

[vague mauve]

the first stealth mom zone

[sand widget]

Thanks

[kind swan]

You mean Fun

[potent silo]

Am I the only one thats like

Disappointed in the E1 enemy

Like I feel like they shouldve made it a big tank much like the Big mother enemy

Instead it’s just a grey-ish tank without tumours

That and I see how a lot of people don’t like E1 since yk u have one person babysitting for most of the level

[mortal granite]

that's what immortal enemy do to a mf

deep rock galactic has the same thing

and people don't really like the mission when they get that enemy

[light lagoon]

Ye Haunted Cave is just a really boring modifier to have on a mission.

[mortal granite]

literally the same thing we do in E1

get the scout to lure it away and finish the mission

[sleek bramble]

too bad they didn't go with another big vagina fight. hopefully more of those come later

it would be fun to fight two of those bastards at the same time

[pulsar grotto]

All my homies hate haunted cave, tied with Low O2 as least favorites

[kind swan]

Meanwhile this mf coming to get you killed

[supple ocean]

does anyone have a clip of the anti hacker protocol in the r7 evaluation?

[kind swan]

[zenith crest]

How do I find the Depressurizer in b1

[velvet flower]

When in doubt, use terminal.

[lofty topaz]

B2 dense, the locked 131 door, how unlock with local terminal 😂 maps name is dense, but I feel dense

[velvet flower]

Find the terminal in Z131, use COMMANDS to find out the designated command.

[hexed elm]

i just got my first d1 clear and how the fuck did anybody manage to solo that

the last bit with the terminals seems like it would be borderline impossible

[wary olive]

are devs actually on vacation again?

or are people memeing

[mortal granite]

they are on vacation

[wary olive]

[mortal granite]

it is summer vacation

[wary olive]

so its same as R6, hotfix 2 weeks after release then month of nothing

[velvet flower]

Just keep reset the terminal sequence until you roll one of the terminal in Z195.

[hexed elm]

That sounds absolutely miserable

[velvet flower]

I still feel like play touhou in a class S I is worse.

[hexed elm]

Also from what I have heard I seem to be one of the only people who genuinely enjoys d1

[hexed vapor]

D1 was cool, tho?

[mortal granite]

it is now for some game

now they have like a hive mind schedule

[hexed vapor]

I think people were mostly upset that the level was super broken, and still kind of is.

[mortal granite]

D1 was cool

if we remove all the buggy part

[turbid cliff]

Vacation or no vacation this is always how it goes

3 patches max then gg until next major update

Unless there's some minor hotfixes included (usually before the patches)

[wary olive]

👅

[mortal granite]

same thing happen with payday 2

so, i played the game with that knowledge

[hexed elm]

I didnt encounter any problematic bugs when playing d1, what parts of it were buggy?

[rocky marsh]

and also that fps drop was insane

had to change 1440p to 1080p just to get some frames

[hexed vapor]

D1 Overload originally didn't have any mechanism to force you to complete the objective before progressing the Main, the amount of Snatchers from Overload is more than it's supposed to be and varies from run to run, the error path's containment scan will randomly complete instantly, there's nothing to prevent you from disabling the waves on the containment scan on the terminal that shuts off the error (same terminal, btw), and checkpoints can make the game real buggy if not soft-lock you.

[errant vigil]

and the memory leak

[hexed elm]

I allways have shit frames since I basically play on a potato so I was still able to perform well

[hexed elm]

Ah that would be quite annoying

[mortal granite]

the hub zone is the big fps killer

[mortal granite]

there was no memory leak

[velvet flower]

And snatchers in D1 can get stuck in the wall so killed you from 100 health.

Also there's still shy boxes in D1.

[hexed elm]

The secret boxes werent an intended feature??

[velvet flower]

I'm not talking about surprise, but the box facing towards the wall and can't be open if it's a hacklock.

[hexed elm]

Ah, well I am glad the surprise box was not a mistake

[velvet flower]

Also if you put in the baby in wrong order you get soft-locked.

[hexed vapor]

Surprise was a bug.

It's a default text that can occur for bugged containers.

[hexed elm]

We had a bug like that but were able to just put the baby in after despite not having put the baby in at the start and it still worked for us.

[hexed elm]

Nooooooooooooooooo!

[errant vigil]

the terminal in the zone scan side zone

[hexed elm]

What are some good strategies for doing overload?

[mortal granite]

kill snatcher -> do alarm -> repeat

[velvet flower]

Keep track on the snatcher wave and decide whether to proceed next major event.

[hexed elm]

What is the timer between spawns like?

[mortal granite]

4 min

[hexed elm]

Ah, thats not too bad

[queen field]

That's not too bad when it's not more than 2 snatchers

[last gust]

a month of broken shotguns

oh well, at least I have deagle

I've started to warm up to choke shotty for c1 duos, thought sway bug wouldn't be as big a deal for it

I was mistaken

[prisma zodiac]

I mean have it pre equipped = big pog

[last gust]

losing a shell to sway bug from a 4 shell clip with a 3 second uncancellable reload is heartbreaking

I was holding error wave on GLPs

needed swap to work

probably should've made ahto hold, I guess

it was really sweet on the S scan though

pure support shotgun

so, so needy with the reloads though

when shit hits the fan you stop having a special

[prisma zodiac]

i mean my biggest hurt was hittin a teammate with it on c3 when a snatcher rushed me

[last gust]

lol the worst part of snatcher gameplay is the bit where you keep dealing 60 to teammates

or funniest, take your pick

[wary olive]

Sniper melee also applies to snatcher grab desync right?

[last gust]

probably

like, snatcher is around the corner on client, but in your face on host, so it grabs you

that's what I'd expect

[half hornet]

Most likely

[prisma zodiac]

Yep

had people tell me about this who had bad desync on enemys

was very funny to see their reactions

[daring pilot]

Sniper melee is weird for me, because I’ve heard so much about it, but even though I always host, none of my friends have ever seen it

[wary olive]

probably they're not good enough or observant enough to notice it

or they are just used to it because they never play as host and just think thats normal enemy behavior

[half hornet]

Yeah, it's hard to notice.

Especially if you don't know what the actual giant range is.

[daring pilot]

oh actually now that you say that, I think I ran into it two nights ago

[mortal granite]

you can dodge the snatcher quite easy with bait and run behind cover

even for sniper melee

[half hornet]

They shouldn't be able to bite me around corners, right.

Or stairs?

Like C2 first checkpoint?

I try to camp enemies there, but they keep damaging me through the metal sheet.

[atomic escarp]

you mean the metal catwalk?

[half hornet]

Yeah.

[prisma zodiac]

giant striker attack range barely changes with sniper melee...
they already have a gigantic range and usually move slowly

its appearant on short range attacks and quick enemys. (this is why specifically chargers (and big chargers) come to mind with their melee attacks from range aswell as tounges from waay further out

Around corners obviously it becomes weird for a lot of enemys (especially hybrids) since clients cant see them but you can as host

[bold widget]

bruh 1 week of not playing.... how do i kill scouts again

[solemn wigeon]

hit them

[queen field]

minigun

[bold widget]

thanks! what a helping loving community that know what they are doing and mean absolutely well😊

[fringe surge]

does the tank in E1 ever stop chasing you?

[mortal portal]

Nope, but there's a way to get rid of it... Temporarily

Actually 2, but one is canon

[fringe surge]

[turbid egret]

He's your biggest fan

[fallow wasp]

he loves you so much he'll follow you to other planets

you extract and he gets his own HSU so that he can be deployed with you on the next mission

[hexed elm]

how hard is d2 compared to d1?

[kind surge]

d2 is a 30 minute adventure

(that you can beat in 15 minutes if you are good enough)

[hexed elm]

interesting

[calm coral]

it’s great

you should totally try it

[light lagoon]

Absolute blast of a level.

[hexed elm]

ive still gotta get c3 done first

what is e1 like?

[turbid egret]

Ever had a stalker problem?

[hexed elm]

not that i know of, though that might just mean they are a good stalker

[turbid egret]

First time then? This will be a bad stalker.

[hexed elm]

oh fun

[half hornet]

D2 is probably my favorite level so far

[hexed elm]

what is it like it terms of difficulty compared to past e teirs

[half hornet]

You can just chill and do some murder

... Unless you get mothers

[turbid egret]

easier

[hexed elm]

why is that?

[turbid egret]

[hexed elm]

like what specific level design aspects of r7 e1 make it easier

is there more ammo? are the alarms not as brutal?

[fallow wasp]

Well I can't say much about past E1 levels but R5E1 dropped you in at 100% infection

I think a big part of it might be downtime/stealthing time

[prisma zodiac]

its based around actually shooting.
Its considerably short and while it has rng its not as "insta random" as r2e1 for example

theres less stuff you actually have to/want to melee and few actual stress moments compared to r5e1s error alarms, r4e1s tank error, scans and extreme objective and r2e1s ending error sequence

[hexed elm]

is it still what you would consider to be a propper e teir difficulty?

[turbid egret]

that's like too subjective man

[hexed elm]

yea, obviously, but in your subjective oppinion

im just really curious about how the difficulty of this rundown compares to past ones since I joined in r6 and the increased difficulty of r7 is really fun and exciting

[half hornet]

Overloads still bullshit though

Can't stand em

[prisma zodiac]

it totally depends on playstyle choice
R4 and R5E1 are not comparable
R2E1 is if you either done use the best strat or use it for it and R7E1

Overall id say it still feels like an E tier. Just a bit short, but its unique in its own right

[turbid egret]

How you feel about overload is how I feel about toxic fog

[half hornet]

Same

[prisma zodiac]

i personally like overloads and infectous fog

[half hornet]

My most hated mechanic in game period

[turbid egret]

I like error alarms, just not with chargers

[half hornet]

As a "slow and steady" kind of person being pressured into getting shit done ASAP is just urgh

[prisma zodiac]

error alarm with chargers you are supposed to shoot

i dont like being forced with an actual timer

[turbid egret]

shooting is overrated

[real moss]

Hardest rundowns: 1. R5 2. R4 3. R7 there you go

[real moss]

overloads THE shit you mean

[prisma zodiac]

i feel like R2 could be arguable if you dont hammer kite every and anything

for 3rd

[turbid egret]

I feel like R2 was too early, most people didn't know how to play very well so it felt hard. I know I was 1 of them

[prisma zodiac]

i mean, without saying it. That wasnt quite how i experienced it

if you dont kite that rundown (like at most as much as a normal party would do in r7) then it feels a good bunch more challenging

[real moss]

R2 A and B tier were really easy tho. C tier was meh. Then in D tier it ramps up

[turbid egret]

D2 was great, loved it

[real moss]

the star wars level

[prisma zodiac]

i consider r2a1 harder than r7a1
r2b1 hmm... it struggled with mines being ya know. shit. And a pretty big alarm scan for b level standard
b2-4 were all around current B2 level. Id argue B3 rn is the hardest b level out of all 7 in r2 and r7

[real moss]

But I see how you can make a case for it and then R7 would fall in 4th place meaning we still have quite some way to go

[prisma zodiac]

C1 post nerf was a joke, pre nerf it was challenging. And C2 imo was pretty challenging

D tier obviously were rly good difficulty wise

man R2D2, such a good level

goated

[real moss]

C1 and C2 were honestly kinda underwhelming. PRE and POST nerf

[prisma zodiac]

post nerf c1 was a joke

[real moss]

R2B1 scan sure was a ..... surprise. then again the rest of the level was ... well nothing

[prisma zodiac]

c2 felt more like r6c3, just without the tanks

especially if yo dont hammer anything

[turbid egret]

wasn't C2 the error alarm wave of 4 every 30 sec? With what I know now? Ez

[atomic escarp]

literally just more scouts

[prisma zodiac]

i mean look at r7b1 and b2. Not many things that could be argued challenging overall

its b tiers so its expected without PE

[real moss]

Also all of the A1's except for R6A1 were harder than R7A1 🙂

[prisma zodiac]

it ampted up no?

[turbid egret]

Not how I remembered

[real moss]

no it didn't. when you found the last osip/glp it spawned one huge wave of giants when extraction scan appeared

probably that is the thing you remember

[prisma zodiac]

but generally yeah. R2 in C tier was easier. (simply due to C2 and C3 having PE this rundown )
D tiers are arguable (if you shoot and dont aggro melee) and i feel like R2E1 is comparable to R7E1.Tho R2E1 is more insta rng depending

[prisma zodiac]

might be.
I actually only played it 1 time. And that was the time i cleared it. We actually wanted to reset due to Desync so we kinda trolled early and still pulled through

[real moss]

R7C2 and C3 are def harder than R2 C tier. R7C1 is ez pz

I guess it balances out

[real moss]

hence not so hard 😉

[prisma zodiac]

i mean i also first tried c2pe this rundown with the same party

but i agree
R2 vs R7
A tier, R2
B tier, even (with B3 being the hardest from r7 imo)
C tier, R7
D tier, even
E tier, Arguably even, possibly R2

(imo=

[real moss]

ok so very close basically.

R7 is thus 3rd or 4th hardest rundown

depending on opinion

[prisma zodiac]

R1 is easily the easiest (no debate)

i havent played r3 (no spoilers pls rn(yes i know where we are))

[real moss]

see what you started ? 😅 👆

[prisma zodiac]

and imo r6 had the easiest A1, easiest B tiers, 1 very easy c tier, 2 mid c tier and an actual challenge with c3pe. D tier was decent, D1 aside. (D2 and DX being a bit on the easy side but D3 and D4 being very good)

generally. R6 priority expeditions werent actual in the tier they were shown in

everything else was mostly fine

[real moss]

I would say from easiest to hardest: R1 -> R6 or R3 ->R2 or R7-> R4 -> R5

[real moss]

yes R6C1 would have been perfect B tier and R6D1 a good C tier. R6B1 --> A2 😅

[prisma zodiac]

will have to see how difficult R3 is at some point

[real moss]

later

[devout river]

I think r6 is probably harder than r3?

even back in the r3 days when I was super mega ass R3C1 and R3D1 were the only ones that really gave me trouble

[fierce laurel]

waiting for a level that is harder than R5A1

[prisma zodiac]

issue is mostly that r6a1,b1,b2, c1 and d1 are very much quite easy

[burnt goblet]

All the levels in R6 were easy besides maybe D3PE

First part of D4 is rough but manageable

[obtuse surge]

can't judge difficulty when the game is broken

[fierce laurel]

if you don't use checkpoints the levels are pretty pog

[obtuse surge]

no

[fierce laurel]

you just gotta squirt hard enough

trust

[atomic escarp]

here's the seating bag

[devout river]

Yeah I think r7 is pretty good level wise but its suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper buggy rn

great decision on the devs part to release it like a week before going on their 4 week summer vacation

[kind swan]

I just clench my cheeks and screech harder which increases my focus tenfold and my skill issue is no longer a thing

However that doesnt protect me from sniper melee

[wary olive]

Can you do shooting -> reload cancel -> shooting please

[kind surge]

yeah, 100% bugged. no way in hell that is intentional

[prisma zodiac]

that is actually incredibly quick

[wary olive]

0.3 seconds.....

[deft kiln]

yeah i was wrong it is faster than my guess

[hallow lark]

R7 has been VERY fulfilling in terms of killing shadows for me…

The thermals are my new favorite

[atomic escarp]

sorry bro i'm too lazy

[prisma zodiac]

faster than id guessed

[deft kiln]

this looks frame perfect good job

[prisma zodiac]

but i rly wanna get a frame timer on that ._.

[prisma zodiac]

true

[wary olive]

👿

Get off your seatbag....

I'll time the shot to shot

[prisma zodiac]

i mean my timing might not be perfectly accurate (as im going off on screen stuff)
but the reload still seems to be around a second and not 0.3 ._.

[last gust]

could believe cancellable at 0.3, but obv. the time until can fire, swap time included, takes longer

[prisma zodiac]

(same thing as above)
if im not wrong obviously
But the animation he doesnt skip (where the ammo count isnt reset to 32) already takes up over 0.5 seconds

[last gust]

I don't have a perfect sense of time, quit bullying me 😭

[prisma zodiac]

id say 0.8 is arguably the quickest you can do if you dont do a weapon but a shove skip (which is quicker)

[prisma zodiac]

i mean neither have i. Im just going off a rough frame counting timer

[nocturne flax]

just play host dumbo

[wary olive]

@deft kiln @prisma zodiac its about right your numbers eva, its like 0.5 sec from time of reload start to when it goes to 32/XXX ammo and shot to shot time is a little under a second give or take depending on timing

[kind swan]

Considering no sounds yeah

But otherwise. I prefer not to use Thermals. I feel myself building habits using them

[kind surge]

honestly, for stuff like fog that you can't see through, i find them extremely helpful. also helps in absolute darkness.

[hallow lark]

Also amazing for stealthing shadows too

[brisk wraith]

Dauda_real.gif

https://tenor.com/view/ball-stealer-gif-25563086

[fierce laurel]

hahaha I was just joking

or was I?

[ocean oar]

25m close to extraction on E1, then game booted us all out, guess game doesn't wan t us to get shitty mask

[fierce laurel]

yup

back u go

[turbid egret]

Is D1 suppose to spawn 2 snatchers or is it a bug?

[mortal granite]

no

having player in your team will sometime spawn another snatcher because of desync (small or big)

your teammate can leave and let you finish overload and then rejoin will leave only 1 snatcher

[turbid egret]

finish overload?

[velvet flower]

We'll probably never find out what's the intended number of D1 overload.

Unless we could...look into some data block.

[turbid egret]

do et

maybe new patch soon 🤞

[fallow wasp]

Ugh

the E1 reactor just starts spawning infinite tanks after a while

disgusting as shit

[solemn wigeon]

Huh?

[fallow wasp]

3 tanks ended up spawning

and I can only assume there would have been more

took so long the floaters got stuck outside the map

and these fellow

[mortal granite]

it is confirmed only 1 snatcher spawn

#gtfo-technical-support message

[velvet flower]

Oh...ok, I can close my population data block.

[livid topaz]

hey can anyone help me with how to open the second locked door in d2 AWOL? I got the password out of logs in 212 and input it in the terminal but door was still locked. is there 2 passwords?

[mortal granite]

you get the password

it's unlocked the terminal

[velvet flower]

Put in the command.

[mortal granite]

and then you put in command

steal my thunder aye

[livid topaz]

lmao

[mortal granite]

[livid topaz]

okay

so input 4 digit password. then input commands to get the unlock phrase. input the unlock phrase and good to go

[solemn wigeon]

Yes

[velvet flower]

No

[solemn wigeon]

Maybe

[velvet flower]

4 letter word -> unlock command, that's it.

[solemn wigeon]

You need to know the command tho

[velvet flower]

True, mb

I misread

[livid topaz]

^-^ you good

tysm

[solemn wigeon]

Gl

[light lagoon]

Just wondering in advance in case my team ever attempts it (hopefully not). Would it thus be recommended to solo through the Overload, trigger the Snatcher error and then have your teammates join, or am I misinterpreting that.

[mortal granite]

ye

right now, don't know why but, if your teammate are a bit desync, it could give you 2 snatcher

[light lagoon]

Alright cool I'll keep that in mind.

[mortal granite]

and there is more or 1 of your teammate are REALLY desync then it could give you 3 or 4 snatchers

[hexed vapor]

I bet it's executing the terminal command multiple times.

I would say that might also cause containment scan to break, but it doesn't happen on E1.

[hexed vapor]

Similar thing could happen in R6D1, where the fog would sometimes be delayed based on when the client is learning that the terminal command has been executed and the client executes it on their end.

[mortal granite]

you can go in solo and do the command on d1 overload

it's always 1 snatcher every time

so it's related to having another player in the team

[hexed vapor]

I know.

I'm saying the command is probably executing multiple times because of some interaction with other players.

Hence the D1 example.

[mortal granite]

i watched fireblade video when he did d1 overload

[hexed vapor]

It seems like terminal commands try to execute themselves on the client's end, and maybe there's some unintended interaction here that causes waves to double up.

[mortal granite]

this is before the patch

and he got only 1 snatcher

all of his teammate was in the same region as him

[hexed vapor]

Alpha.

I understood you said.

and I'm not disagreeing with it.

[mortal granite]

i just don't understood this ^

if i used fireblade as an example

then it should be based on connection issue?

i'm not disagreeing

just adding more to discuss

[hexed vapor]

So it seems like for terminal commands that interact with the level in general, the host tells the client that it needs to execute all of those events on their end.

So, what I'm suggesting is that it's possible that this interaction, combined with latency, might have some kind of unintended consequence. For example, maybe if a client attempts to start spawning waves, that information gets sent back to host, and then the host shuts it down because it sees the wave has already started, but if this is delayed it's possible there's some weird interaction where the host doesn't recognize that it shouldn't be spawning that wave (like some sort of cooldown that passes up).

I'm just spitballing, though.

[mortal granite]

alright

[hexed vapor]

This would also fit why it's happening on a terminal command specifically, and also not on other terminal commands.

The waves appear to be an event triggered by the command, rather than the usual error wave (which uses WavesOnGotoWin).

[quasi dirge]

question for R7C2 secondary:
got the matter wave, put it into the spinny thingy on Z_289, it takes me to desert camp where I need to download something on the console

it always warps me back to Z_289 before the download finishes, the matter wave disappears from the game, and i can't get back to desert?

[fringe surge]

Restart from checkpoint
I guess you put in the wrong command

[quasi dirge]

there's only one command tho? the copy_somethingsomething

[fringe surge]

It's probably the one you enter the first time you go there

Shouldnt there be one more
I'm pretty sure I remember it showing you the command in the objective section

Of your screen

[hexed vapor]

It's timed.

If you take too long it fails.

[fringe surge]

I'm pretty sure he just typed in the first copy command
I made the same mistake during pe

Checkpoint restart

Is your friend

[quasi dirge]

how long is too long? i get kicked out of desert in about 30 seconds

[hexed vapor]

No idea, haven't failed it, but have heard of other people failing it.

How many scans in are you failing?

[quasi dirge]

none. basically what happens is i go to the terminal, type copy_whatever, and stand in the circle until about 25% which is when i get teleported back to the real world with the matter_wave disappearing from the game

[hexed vapor]

Did you start secondary before or after the gen cluster scan?

Actually, is gen cluster scan still up?

[quasi dirge]

tried it with both

maybe it's just me then

[hexed vapor]

You might be soft-locked. Completing gen cluster scan sends you to alpha 6, which is when you're supposed to do the command.

If you can't get the gen cluster to teleport you, I think you're soft-locked.

[quasi dirge]

so you're supposed to get gen cluster first, then matter_wave?

[hexed vapor]

yes.

[quasi dirge]

i did that first, but it still sent me back before i could complete it

third time's a charm ig, thanks

[hexed vapor]

What's supposed to happen is:
-Gen cluster teleports
-Put command in, starts scan and teleports back.
-Use MWP to teleport again.
-Finish the scan you started w/ the command.

[quasi dirge]

6 fuel cells is pain

[velvet flower]

Do NOT put in the command again when teleported by mwp.

That's the most common reason you soft-locked yourself in c2 secondary.

[prisma zodiac]

Wait

You guys know how there is this super short window where the teamscan is there in c2 secondar but you arent teleporzed yet?

Is it possible to finish the teamscan if all 4 are there and everyone has max bioscan speed boosters?
And what would happen lol

[hexed vapor]

Huh

I think it would probably fail on the timer?

Also, probably start spawning flyers in the complex.

[atomic escarp]

you can insert matter wave before doing generator scan which will spawn smalls + flyer error during the class 6

and you also have the flyer wave from the class 6

it makes it harder but way more fun

[turbid cliff]

When you were wondering why on earth they'd buff sniper sentry but they actually nerfed it by buffing

Big brain time

When do sentries recognize that enemies died?

[atomic escarp]

sniper sentry running out of ammo on second class x before the 6th scan is done on d1

thank you 10cc

[pulsar shuttle]

When the bio tag disappears?

[brazen bramble]

@tardy jolt ||thats just the snatcher it runs fast and make little noise to snatch you away from ur teammates||

[tardy jolt]

Sounds absolutely horrifying!

Any other new terrible things I should know about?

[brazen bramble]

hmm.. not sure..

[brazen bramble]

I like the snatcher it makes a kinda gloopgloop sound before it taked u away XD

[tardy jolt]

Wait.. are these what Shaeffer was talking about? The thing that took Maddox

[brazen bramble]

probobly

[tardy jolt]

I thought it was a shadow but makes sense

Do they disappear after getting someone?

[brazen bramble]

They just stay and drains a couple of health when taking u away and dropping u far away on in the group of enemies.

Unless u kill them

They will stay and say hi everytime

[tardy jolt]

Oof

[brazen bramble]

But they are hella fast so gudluck killing them

[kind swan]

If only we could y'know.

ScatterGoon em

[pulsar shuttle]

They ain’t hard to 1v1

Stick next to a small corner and bait attacks

Might be hard to judge because of sniper melee though

[atomic escarp]

if it's a 1v1, there's only 4 weapons that are good at it

[fallow wasp]

Find a nice thick pillar and play peek a boo with them

Have there been any “perfect runs” through a rundown where a group beats every level in sequence without failing once?

[half hornet]

i highly fucking doubt it

Lots of high-difficulty levels are so full of bullshit that the only way to beat them is to know what's coming and then prepare based on this meta-knowledge, like putting turrets right way, running in the right direction, yadi yada

Especially once we start talking secondaries and overloads and - God forbid - PE

maybe mains only is possible to beat first try blind, but your team must be absolutely jacked

Professional kiters, AI abusers, reload cancellers who only use the best weapons and so on

And of course it depends on rundown too. I can easily believe that some skilled experienced team could beat R6 blind on first playthrough. Although i have my doubts about D-series, particularly 3 and 4

[fallow wasp]

How about we consider non blind then

More of a perfect marathon run

[rocky marsh]

just realised that d2 is rng for mother or tank spawns ay

i feel like mothers a lot easier

[half hornet]

really? i think the opposite

I don't do well with being outnumbered and overwhelmed with a dozen of little parasites who keeps dissapearing from my screen

[nocturne flax]

if you kiting then your doing it wrong kekw

[half hornet]

Meanwhile tank is alone, just there and predictable as a rock. Hits hard, but you know...

[nocturne flax]

if your team has to kite for something that means your loosing

[half hornet]

Which is what often happens when you go in blind, because enemies come from places you don't expect, at times you dont expect, and in compositions you don't expect

Imagine bringine pistol + revolver into a level and being met with a charger error alarm

Special weapon turned into trash just like that

[nocturne flax]

?, if you dont know where the enemies are coming from then thats mostly on you, this is the only rundown that actually throws curve balls at you when it comes to enemy spawns

98% of the time its 2 rooms away rule

as long as you know combat in this game regardeless of the weapons you bring, you have potential to oneshot levels

i brought wackass rifle in e1 and did perfectly fine, is that optimal, no but that doesnt mean i can be useful

you dont need meta in this game

like i bought machine pistol in r5e1 and still manage to protect my friends and all that jazz that where running helgun and such

like i always tell people

theres almost always an ammopack next zone, so shoot away

[sick hornet]

In r4 we did a speedrun through all levels, we died i think twice on e1 and that was it

[prisma zodiac]

dude wtf lol
this sentence is actually very oof

[nocturne flax]

yeah

[atomic escarp]

sorry for not playing the game the intended way

[nocturne flax]

I forgot to say, that if your doing objectives, just assume some bullshit will spawn (like it usually does kekw) always wait for your team before plugging a command or cell

[atomic escarp]

please dictate me how to play the game

[nocturne flax]

kite yo feelings away

[atomic escarp]

i must take damage and make no attempts in dodging tongues

because that's kiting

not very immersive

[nocturne flax]

love the extremism on this like always

kekw

[half hornet]

Best i can do is to try to jump right as they do the attack. Sometimes it works. But other than that...

[atomic escarp]

i also cannot cancel a reload to do other actions

[main mango]

The easiest way to avoid being range-vored is to run behind them

[atomic escarp]

because reload canceling is tumor in this game

[main mango]

The move has insane tracking and is really hard to avoid from the front

[nocturne flax]

just cheat and kill all enemies on the map

easy

[half hornet]

Noticed that. I'm still not sure if its like a hitscan or what...

[atomic escarp]

why are you dodging it

[nocturne flax]

no kiting required

[atomic escarp]

are you ai abusing

[main mango]

yes

[atomic escarp]

i thought you're a purist and dictate how players perceive the game

[nocturne flax]

you can abuse the AI by closing a door and cfoaming it

preventing it from getting it to you

[main mango]

and then stick a mine on it for extra exploitation

[nocturne flax]

🤯

[atomic escarp]

cfoaming enemies is also abusing the ai

please do not do it

[uneven plank]

if they didn't want you to cheat they'd fix it. W is a W boys

[nocturne flax]

shoot the enemies to prevent them from hurting you

[uneven plank]

door hack all doors

[nocturne flax]

extra abuse

[uneven plank]

get fucked

[nocturne flax]

super cheese

[half hornet]

I'm lost, where is this going again?...

[nocturne flax]

where memeing

[atomic escarp]

killing enemies is also exploiting the ai

[main mango]

The pistol one shot staggers chargers btw

[atomic escarp]

please be pacifists

[uneven plank]

stealth all scans or gtfo

[main mango]

Cfoam launcher only run

Use melee shove to interrupt attacks

Major AI abuse

[nocturne flax]

dont leave the rundown screen

[main mango]

Don't open the game, easy W

[nocturne flax]

to prevent enemies from even existing

EXTREME AI ABUSE

[main mango]

Uninstall GTFO for MAXIMUM AI ABUSE

[nocturne flax]

live in a cave

[main mango]

Sell your PC

[obtuse surge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/824912666585464873/989115629938307163/ariexplaining.gif

[atomic escarp]

become a troglodyte

[uneven plank]

too late for this crew

[obtuse surge]

become ungovernable

[main mango]

Return to monke to prevent enemies from existing

[main mango]

🗿

[uneven plank]

just the whackest weekend lobbies lmao

[sinful maple]

What's the overload and hard on c3

[fierce laurel]

normal is singular terminal uplink before 30 minute warden protocol (survive 30 minutes)

overload is two corrupted uplinks (double terminal uplink) within the 20 minutes of the warden protocol

@sinful maple

[sinful maple]

What is warden protocol

[devout river]

you just have to survive 30 minutes

[sinful maple]

Alarm I assume?

[devout river]

with waves coming every couple minutes

well idk how often the waves come in c3

[sinful maple]

Ok and what is hard?

He only said overload and main

[devout river]

main is hard

there is main, secondary, overload

[sinful maple]

Oh well what is extreme or the in between

[devout river]

terminal command I think?

[fierce laurel]

I forgor

[sinful maple]

Ok

[fierce laurel]

it shuts off the lights

[snow geyser]

can you still do d1 overload after main?

[devout river]

no

[real moss]

has been fixed

[kind swan]

No more bulkhead key

[snow geyser]

so how do you do d1 now ahah

[half hornet]

fuck if i know

did it last night before the patch

probably good ol' splitting up

[prisma zodiac]

you learn D1
then you play D1 quickly but with snatchers on your ass

[half hornet]

1-2 guys push forward to get shit done, 2-3 guys stay behind with turrets and try to gun down the boys

is the overload alert permanent?

like until the very end?

[prisma zodiac]

it totally depends on the amount of snatchers you get

[half hornet]

or is there a way to turn it off?

[prisma zodiac]

1 is easily soloable with a choke mod

2 you probably want 2 players for sure

anything above. GL

no

its "permanent"

[half hornet]

shite

literally unplayable

[silent kettle]

does the d2 alarm not end anymore

[half hornet]

it never was supposed to

its infinite, simple as

[obtuse surge]

they put it on the actual terminal now

[silent kettle]

ic

[light lagoon]

From what Captain told me last night and how I look at it. I must point out however that I have not attempted this at all, this is simply my observations:
-have the host load into the level and proceed to the Overload and trigger the Snatcher alarm. I haven't checked this myself but I assume either triggering it will open the High door or they'll be another Bulkhead Key in Overload
-have the other players now join in. The reason for this is to prevent the desync and limit the Snatchers to the intended 1 Per 4m(?). Proceed to rush through the Error and S-Scan as fast as possible
-reach the Checkpoint door, get the Checkpoint and die. Restart (hoping there's no Checkpoint fuckery) and the Snatchers apparently stop allowing you to proceed through the level as normal without having to worry about them anymore while presumably still getting the Overload completion

[obtuse surge]

host can get multiple too

you just need a full lobby of fresh boots to get just 1

[light lagoon]

Working as intended then.

[wary olive]

fresh boots?

oh like just restarted game

[prisma zodiac]

can you explain on this further?

[wary olive]

wave stops spawning once you enter the request command on checkpoint door terminal

for like 140 sec i think it says

[obtuse surge]

D2 used to turn off waves when opening certain zones (and for most, except the end one, start some new ones to replace it)

but for the final one it's now linked to the terminal

like it tells you

[prisma zodiac]

knew the first part, didnt know the second one thats why i wanted to ask

so you need to do the terminal command now to end the waves?

or rather give yourself the pause in them?

[obtuse surge]

yes

[half hornet]

So wai

You get to stop it? At least for a while?

Like, to get time to clear the terminals rooms from sleepers?

[queen field]

I recall people mentioning post-patch D2 to not disable the alarm once you input the command

Even temporary

[queen field]

You have around a hundred seconds to resupply yourself

not to clean rooms

[vestal zephyr]

In C1 during the GLP hunt, is there a point where the alarm turns off? Or is it constant after that point?

[devout river]

turns off once you get all the glps iirc

[vestal zephyr]

ok, thank you

[light lagoon]

Just make sure you get all 3 In each zone so you don't have to rush back into an older zone on the 3rd door because you forgot one.

[pulsar grotto]

@dreamy tree snatcher head and sides have armor

the back is the best spot to hit on snatcher

[dreamy tree]

So everywhere but the back and stomach?

So you just wait until it opens up then shoot it?

[pulsar grotto]

anywhere you can see the weird "tendrils" is a spot to shoot

so if you can see the tendril spots on its back hit that

and you really just need to pump a lot of damage to stagger

they don't quit easily

[dreamy tree]

How many shots with high cal pist?

[pulsar grotto]

not sure

With choke and perfect aim its 2-3

so Hi cal is probably 3 ish

if you aim well

[dreamy tree]

Hrmr

[vestal zephyr]

It did, thanks

[dreamy tree]

Alright imma try it again

Also for c3 pe

My groul mamaged to get to the overload door

Go through and start doing the verify shit

But like

Is there supposed to be a code or something?

That shows on our hud

[pulsar grotto]

No

The verify codes are sent to another terminal in overload

[dreamy tree]

Yeah yeah but like the codes are key value pairs right

Like x08 = FORK or something

We only got the x08 bit

[pulsar grotto]

The other terminal has LOG files with the code in them

You have to read the file and it then tells you what x08's code is

[dreamy tree]

Ohhhh

Ok

Theres only 2 terminals you nees to care about right?

The verify and the concirm one

[pulsar grotto]

yep

[dreamy tree]

Alright imma try again

[vestal zephyr]

assuming that the emergency escape protocol activates a constant alarm until evac on C1?

[atomic escarp]

even with perfect aim, you need more than 3

225 hp, choke mod and high cali does 30 dmg

and you can't really get perfect back multi

[light lagoon]

Yes.

How much do you care about spoilers?

[dreamy bramble]

they're talking about staggering, not killing

which is 2 front shots from those weapons

[vestal zephyr]

eh

Aware the snatchers show up here.

Anything else we need to know?

We got through the full zone scan but choked on booking it to the exfil.

[light lagoon]

Basically just the usual generic advice tbh. Once the scan ends and the door unlocks, make sure to clear most of the wave behind you before opening the door considering the next few rooms are full of enemies. This might buy you enough time to loot a bit if you're desperately in need of resources though tbh I'm not sure I recommend it unless really necessary.
If you have deployed sentries make sure to grab them with you and just power through to the secdoor and onwards. Mines/foam, if you have any, can be used on any of the doors you can close to help buy more time (though be aware that it's possible for the wave to spawn ahead, atleast that happened to me when I did it with bots).

[vestal zephyr]

alright, we cleared. we had a skill issue lmao

[light lagoon]

[mortal granite]

it's disable alarm, it's just the wave are backing up

like reactor wave

[slow basin]

Is D1 buged ? we are entering the comand inint_timed_sequence in the main terminal after inserting the neonate and is not recognized as a command

[velvet flower]

Which machine did you insert the neonate?

[fierce laurel]

did you press tab

[slow basin]

yes it actually autocompletes a diferent command

to init_timed_connection

[velvet flower]

Oh, that's the one.

[velvet flower]

The objective message is simply incorrect.

[fierce laurel]

try both

[velvet flower]

connection is the right command.

The hud message is ... wrong.

[slow basin]

we opted to do harakiri and try terminal before neonate

oh, it actually goes first

ahh it was bugged due to host migration, a suicide did the trick

[calm sundial]

Man. I dislike C3 PE.

I'm going to try again.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/657817390494646342/994325493547552774/Cat_Inspector.gif

[mortal granite]

That's the spirit

[fallow wasp]

The overload is honestly pretty good for spending your time in c3

[hexed vapor]

C3 probs my favorite level this rundown.

[kind swan]

[rocky marsh]

fuckkk e1

thats garbage

i got to the reactor

and gg

bro

the fuck is that

i guess we back to r4 no checkpoints on reactors hahaha

[distant bramble]

Spoiler alert, Thor dies in the new movie

[real moss]

As it should be

[prisma zodiac]

i mean r5 didnt have checkpoints either
And E1 having no checkpoints is a nice touch

[zenith crest]

The ending of C1 is fucking ridiculous it took 60 tries to finally beat it

[prisma zodiac]

60 o.O

i feel like that is more on you than the level there

Especially since it sounds like you checkpointed over and over

[atomic escarp]

skill issue

[real moss]

A bit overkill

[calm coral]

that’s the only reason I have against the cp system

players who aren’t good enough to beat the level can just keep trying until they fluke it

[wary olive]

and some of those players go back and replay those levels in lfg and insist on using their bad strats that caused that many wipes in the first place

what my group did when we cleared it was....

[light lagoon]

Atleast it's better than somehow regressing from bad strats to even worse strats.

[wary olive]

when D2 leader gets mad at me for not helping because im holding 4 bbcs while 3 of them get wiped to 2nd blood door

"we dont need mines guys"

[light lagoon]

Though I've definitely not had anything as stupid as that, I certainly know that kinda feeling.

[wary olive]

next run i swapped to code finder and brought mines and soloed that blood door buy putting down 12 mines and told them we dont need 4 people on that blood door

and hes like "yeah you brought mines thats why"

like bruh

[prisma zodiac]

i mean, yes mines are good for the blood doors
But then again. You dont need them ._.

[light lagoon]

I just solo'd it with a sentry and my sniper while keeping my mates on the defence. It was better that way than splitting forces because I knew they would begin to struggle if I pulled any of them (two players or the bot) off of holding the waves. There's an incredibly convenient piece of cover after all right above the door.

The idea of wiping on that door, let alone with three players, is just.. bruh.

[brazen bramble]

[prisma zodiac]

3 player wiping on a blood door lol

[light lagoon]

Like I can only picture it as them standing next to the door as it opens or something.

[wary olive]

yeah i understand someone saying "we dont need mines" if they can comfortably shoot it

._.

[last gust]

Anyone aware of any shenanigans with wave spawns in c3?

doing a duo

when I was in 167a and teammate was in 167c, they spawned in 167b

and when I was in 328e and teammate was in 328c, they spawned in 328b

(we had the door between 328a and 328b closed and mined for the latter one when that spawn happened, teammate was next to door between 328b and 328c and saw them spawn in)

[prisma zodiac]

theres a 328 e o.O

isnt it only 4 rooms or am i tripping

I had it happens where enemys spawn of me when im in 167D (so they spawn in B)

[light lagoon]

Looking at the map there is indeed a 328e.

[velvet flower]

It usually has 2 BBCs and leads to Z330 but the 2nd terminal never spawned in Z330. Usually you avoid there but sometimes the ammo in Z328 spawned there so you have to go.

Regarding the original problem, isn't error alarm can always spawn in between when teams split two rooms away since R4?

[obtuse surge]

if theres an empty room between players, waves will often spawn there

or on top of players

its been like that since the start of the game

[mortal granite]

basically, if your team spread out too much, the enemy can spawn on top of you

haven't seen one spawn on top of me yet in this rundown

[last gust]

but 2 room rule?

is the spawn picking a player, trying to spawn 2 rooms away from that player, and then taking spawn blocking into account?

[mortal granite]

it's picking a random player (1 of 4) and spawn 2 room away

that is the case (or was if anything change)

[last gust]

huh, never noticed that it could do that

[obtuse surge]

it breaks

thats not how the logic works because in that case if you had a linear zone A-B-C-D

someone in A and someone in B should put spawns in C too

but it will NEVER do that

so the picking 1 player is just not true

[last gust]

so the protocol waves are zone locked?

[mortal granite]

maybe it was based on how many people you're with

i remember testing this

seem like the latter is true

ye, i remember testing this by putting 3/1

3 people in A and 1 people in C

it always spawn on top of the 1 alone teammate

unless there is a datamined data that's disproved that

[prisma zodiac]

isnt that 329 e tho?
or is 329 the first overload zone???

[queen field]

329 is the first overload zone indeed

Then you have the blood door

then you have the first uplink in 330 & the 2nd uplink in 331

[prisma zodiac]

overload is 4 zones tho?

and 329 is the first uplink (after the blood door). the zone before that should be 328

[last gust]

328 is the first overload zone

the blood door opens to 329

328a and 328b are tiny rooms that serve as passage to the rest of 328

328e is the room with the blood door in it

actually here's the map: https://i.imgur.com/pZnnJgR.jpeg

[prisma zodiac]

ah i didnt know that there was a room up north in 328

never went in there (lol)

[queen field]

Guess i have alzheimer

[solemn wigeon]

Ok grandpa

[queen field]

😔

[solemn wigeon]

It's ok

[elfin ingot]

two bbcs

[sick hornet]

yes

big black chargers

what else would he mean?

[obtuse cedar]

Beautiful Black Chargers

:)

[sick hornet]

BBBCs

[obtuse cedar]

That could be for the big ones yes ;p

[obtuse cedar]

or you could also go "Beautiful Big Chargers"

[kind swan]

[vocal geode]

man, they didn't lie, that snatcher can snatch

[pulsar grotto]

snatcher no snatching!

[last gust]

following up on this, I just remembered: during r6c3pe duos, after overload scan, I used to solo hold at bulkhead door while my teammate went for key

which would put us several rooms apart

and the waves would spawn outside bulkhead door, like clockwork

I don't really buy this "the protocol waves have always been able to spawn between players, this is nothing new" line at all

[prisma zodiac]

it is nothing new
but it still feels random and like bull

[last gust]

maybe I went in with a random assumption that they were directed spawns because it's a protocol level

but they're not directed at all?

I guess if they're not directed then it kinda makes sense

[errant vigil]

they were directed

elevator was it's designated spawn point

had it not spawn towards there once

[bold widget]

ngl game kinda getting boring

[prisma zodiac]

^personal opinion

[hexed vapor]

Sounds more like burnout than the game.

[bold widget]

probably

[nocturne flax]

I mean its fair considering it only took 2 years for some variation in combat

[maiden nymph]

Hey all, we're stuck in D1 at the moment. We are at the terminal sequence and when we type the verify command in the first terminal we can't confirm it on the main terminal

What are we doing wrong?

It just won't take the confirm command

[pulsar grotto]

Sure you type in the command after it prompts to confirm?

Sometimes if you type before it bugs out a bit

[maiden nymph]

When I see the prompt on screen?

Because the terminal itself does no prompt

[pulsar grotto]

Yes the screen prompt

[maiden nymph]

We tried by staying in the terminal screen or getting out of it

But it does not prompt

[pulsar grotto]

HUD should say "Confirm ... on terminal ..." 15 seconds left

[maiden nymph]

Yes, that it does

[pulsar grotto]

Then typing CON then hitting TAB doesn't work?

[maiden nymph]

Haven't been hitting tab but I have the whole command written there

And I do it before the timer goes off

Before it goes to 0

[pulsar grotto]

hmm

idk

maybe try using the TAB autocomplete, other than that It could be a bug

D1 is the most buggy level this rundown

[maiden nymph]

Okay

We'll try that

Cheers

[pulsar grotto]

👍

[maiden nymph]

@pulsar grottook yh it worked

Pressing TAB works

Manually writing it doesn't

xd

[pulsar grotto]

yeah

sometimes they just force that TAB onto you

but its helpful

saves time

[kind swan]

If typing it doesnt work. Somewhere in the typing is human error

but ofc tab auto completing is a breeze

[teal dust]

so this chat is for talking abt spoilers or isnt?

[hexed vapor]

Is, how come?

[teal dust]

im jw bc i just got the game and was wondering alot about the story

idc abt spoilers

[hexed vapor]

Might want to try #gtfo-lore. Both allow spoilers, but lore is more lore-specific while spoiler-chat is more-so for talking about gameplay or other standard talk (like weapon states, game mechanics, strategies, etc.).

[teal dust]

ooooh ok

thanks

[abstract inlet]

I've heard some vague horror stories about c3 pe, what's that about?

[west umbra]

Hello, I’m a bit late to the party but for C1 is there a need to go to zone 23 and de-fog the place?

I know it will help with the S scan in zone 22, but ehhhhh idk if it is worth it triggered all sorts of scouts and monsters

[devout river]

You don’t have to but it’s worth it I would say

[west umbra]

We are idiots so we are definitely gonna trigger the whole room ;-;

But okay, thank you for your answer

[devout river]

I mean you don’t gotta do the whole zone once you know where the terminal spawns

[west umbra]

Yeee you go left the moment you enter zone 23 right? After the scan

[devout river]

Yeah it’s to the left

You might have to deal with 1 scout but not the other like 2 that spawn in that zone

[west umbra]

Hmmmm I see

Thank you!

[mortal granite]

you don't need to if you're confident enough

zone 12, 20 and 21 has enough resources to make everyone at 100%

unless you trigger every room and use health and ammo

[abstract inlet]

Yes

[west umbra]

im confident that if we do trigger em, we will be able to take care of em, but im afraid we would be low on ammo after we are done dealing with em

[mortal granite]

it's basically go stealth until you reach the alarm with efficient ammo and health

i have a video guide on C1

#guides-and-reviews could check in here

[sharp merlin]

terminal is only 2 rooms away iirc

3 scouts at worst

[mortal granite]

well, if you're afraid of scout, use spear

[hard cape]

Bring a melee booster then the scout is no more problem. 50 percent melee booster will easily settle a charger scout. I’ve seen players with more than 100 percent melee booster one shot a giant. I wish I could have those crazy boosters in r5

[mortal granite]

can you even get 100% melee booster

[west umbra]

interesting

[hallow lark]

What Alteration does B3 Secondary do to the level upon completion of it?

Like for example: C3 Secondary completions makes the rest of the level in darkness as well as spawn shadow waves

[hexed vapor]

Nothing afaik.

[hallow lark]

Oh

Ok

[hexed vapor]

That's pretty normal as well.

[mortal granite]

B3 secondary is just survive, it's hard on it own

the devs can add in like, when you finish extreme, at the end of main, flier spawn

but that's just too chaotic and it's still a B level

overload already put a lot on player

[hexed vapor]

Even in R6, B2 Sec, C3 Sec, D2 Sec, and D3 Sec didn't really influence the Main outside of interactions like opening doors, adding key hunts, and wasting time.

[mortal granite]

seem like people don't like B3 extreme (include me)

[half hornet]

I mean,... That's the definition of a secondary.

[hexed vapor]

B3 Sec is p good, most of the complaints I've heard are related to checkpoint placement and being hard, which I'm down w/.

[half hornet]

A mission within a mission. Once it's done - you're back on your path. Overload, as clear by the name, is the one that fucks up the rest of the mission.

[mortal granite]

for vet, they just run around until they get teleport back

[abstract inlet]

Nevermind, I understand now

This shit is miserable

[mortal granite]

c3 pe is ok

[abstract inlet]

C3 itself is just painful

Pe or not

[half hornet]

I know right

[neat sluice]

its the most fun level in the rundown wym

seriously

[hexed vapor]

^

[abstract inlet]

Lol

[mortal granite]

you have stealth

you have loud

you have to survive

[hallow lark]

Lol’

[mortal granite]

most of the element is in there

[hallow lark]

And as far as I know… I’ve been requested by you and Hirnu on help for those

[hexed vapor]

Most of the pain I've had in PuGs is just that people are real bad at stealth.

[hallow lark]

Cuz it requires a decent Biotracker for certain parts of C3

[hexed vapor]

And will foam giants they're killing?

Why, I'm not sure.

[mortal granite]

they are scare to hammer charger scout or giant

[hexed vapor]

CScout are super easy to solo w/ foam, tho.

No help needed.

[hallow lark]

Honestly… if given enough time… people can train themselves to become better

[mortal granite]

until they kept screaming and tell you to stop

after the uplink, i feel like it's easier to clear most of the room

pub has other plan

[hallow lark]

Or I just scare players to death with my own stealth methods

[mortal granite]

i was going to solo giant and charger scout

but that's just carrying

i could run off by myself to do extreme and come back to do overload

but that's just pure dick move

[hexed vapor]

Sec is fun.

Most groups want to just do top zone.

So I get the entire bottom floor to myself.

[mortal granite]

pdw, the personal biotracker

[half hornet]

Go in, get it done, get out

Unless they do the delayed secondary "cheese"

Where you activate the scan, but don't touch it until uplink room is clear

[mortal granite]

well, do the terminal reset after you use checkpoint?

or is it still tell you to scan ignoring the code reset thingy?

nvm

[half hornet]

The terminal will ask for the code again, but scan will still be there

[mortal granite]

oh

1 of a cheese that do nothing...

[half hornet]

Well... It does something but not much

[mortal granite]

only to prevent going back in to the zone that you already clear

[half hornet]

Makes clearing the pre-uplink room slightly easier

People become much more scared to do anything in pure darkness

can't tell if its' an actual disadvantage or just psy-ops

[hexed vapor]

It depends a bit on your familiarity with the tile and how well you can cope with low visibility.

[mortal granite]

"i hated when the devs turn off the light, it did literally nothing"

[hexed vapor]

It is genuinely very punishing if you never check anything for enemies and just go for kills blind, only to be surprised when the big dude a few feet away decides to glow and gets pissed.

[half hornet]

yep

reduces situational awareness

[hard cape]

I wish dev can add thermal sight scatter gun in next rundown, that would make everything easier

[mortal granite]

https://youtu.be/RfVWiAomMXE?t=4851

10cc devs added jump scare into the game

[real moss]

I missed really dark levels in R6 (Except D1 shortly and D4 very short) . Darkness is a great feature.

I m glad R7C3 and E1 bring it back

[hexed vapor]

Kind of feels like they go through periods of using a lot of darkness and then not very much. R1 had a lot of dark areas, R2 and R3 were fairly well lit, then R4 and R5 had some really dark areas, etc.

There has always been plenty of dim lighting ofc, but the "pitch black" setting is very on-and-off.

[hexed vapor]

Jesus.

[real moss]

R5A2 after sec

[hexed vapor]

Mhm

[abstract inlet]

I like very dim, but pure darkness is just meh for any extended lengths of time imo