having random amount of snatcher
#gtfo-spoiler-chat
mortal granite
queen field
Rey mentioned that if you get no scout in overload, you pretty much get 3 snatchers per wave
And the amount seems to depend on host as well
mortal granite
Rey mentioned that if you get no scout in overload, you pretty much get 3 snatch...
i did say that yesterday as well
i also drop in solo (with bots) and always get 1 snatcher
hot flame
Rey mentioned that if you get no scout in overload, you pretty much get 3 snatch...
We we're definitely getting 4 per wave, (not with Captain Alpha, just odd timing). There was a scout in OL room if that's what you mean
hot flame
i also drop in solo (with bots) and always get 1 snatcher
Even that doesn't seem consistent, dropped with all 4 and got 1 ||snatcher||, reset and got 4 ||snatchers||.
mortal granite
Even that doesn't seem consistent, dropped with all 4 and got 1 ||snatcher||, re...
i may ask
how many time do you "touch" that terminal
i have to get all the possibility out there
hot flame
I didn't input the command on the first run where we got 1, so IDK. Run where we got 4 I was the only one to interface with terminal
hallow lark
Lol
hot flame
I was not host
mortal granite
it depend on the host
hot flame
We got quad ||snatcher|| and I thought it would behave normal after the first wave but nope second was was also quad
mortal granite
i wonder if that make the end timer run faster or something
queen field
Did you check with how many people are in overload when you input the command ?
hot flame
Needless to say we didn't see wave 3 as we died to 8 ||snatchers||
queen field
Needless to say we didn't see wave 3 as we died to 8 ||snatchers||
what the fuck
mortal granite
hot flame
Did you check with how many people are in overload when you input the command ?
All 4 players were in Overload room, command was very quick as I just typed 1 letter hit tab then eneter
queen field
Ah yes, twitch not timestamping properly
mortal granite
this is my run
mortal granite
Ah yes, twitch not timestamping properly
motherfu...
queen field
good thing it's typed in the URL
mortal granite
this is 2 different runs
hot flame
good thing it's typed in the URL
2 scouts were in room before running command
queen field
0 scout + 3 snatchers ig ?
queen field
2 scouts were in room before running command
in both cases ?
mortal granite
0 scout + 3 snatchers ig ?
that's what i thought
queen field
0 scout always seem to spawn 3 snatchers
mortal granite
i have 3 scouts in overload, 1 in A and 2 in B
hot flame
in both cases ?
I dont remember if it was 1 or 2 scouts when we got 1 snatcher per wave. There was definitely at least one.
Run with 4 snatchers we had 2 scouts, as we had the new guy practice killing them
mortal granite
and get 2 snatcher
queen field
0 scout = 3 snatchers
2 scouts = 4 snatchers
3 scouts = 2 snatchers
4 scouts = 1 snatcher?
😳
mortal granite
nah
it's definitely desync issue
i was the guy putting in the command
and the host was from EU vs me in Asia
hot flame
it's definitely desync issue
I am imaging this is correct, doesn't seem likely to be related to enemy spawns seeing how enemy spawns work
mortal granite
oh wait
queen field
EU having 1 snatcher for ex
mortal granite
could check the log
hot flame
all players were NA, but host did have slight lag. I could feel it when killing sleepers
queen field
😳
mortal granite
i say, either people with good ping with host do the command
hot flame
so host lag is probably the answer
mortal granite
or the host do the command
hot flame
That'll be the thing to test
mortal granite
since well, if you drop in solo
and put in command, it will always spawn 1
on 22minute and 46 minute mark on the twitch vod
i put in command and spawn 3 snatchers
and then the streamer put in command spawn 2 snatcher
hot flame
Interesting
mortal granite
me lag vs streamer that has less lag
i think people should jump in and test it
host vs non-host
hot flame
I meant, if I host then scamaz my own internet and have someone else do the command
and by scamaz I mean sounds like it's time to do an 11.7gb steam update during a mission :^)
mortal granite
queen field
Tfw i have more fun trying to figure out the logic behind a bug than clearing the level you can find the bug in
wary olive
you can also get 2 pablo if there is desync with person opening the door i think
maybe its similar cause
mortal granite
you can also get 2 pablo if there is desync with person opening the door i think
don't need to
you just need a really laggy person in the team to do that
turbid cliff
Tfw i have more fun trying to figure out the logic behind a bug than clearing th...
Welcome to my world except not limited to bugs
mortal granite
i was the guy that has massive desync in my old team
turbid cliff
Figuring out game mechanics in early rundowns was a lot of fun
mortal granite
@queen field the suggestion was great
queen field
I was thinking about it after clearing D2 & E1
mortal granite
i believed the end of E1 also have another immortal as well that trigger everything
that was a good use of it
queen field
it's not him that triggers actually
When you input the code there are waves of 1/2 enemies that spawn everywhere near those that aren't in the reactor
Their sole purpose is to trigger the rooms
mortal granite
i mean, he could trigger all the room
mortal granite
but we got the "2nd scream don't count" mechanic
so his scream become useless
i believe that, if you have an awaken enemy in a room full of enemy, it can still wake up other sleeper as well if you stay there long enough
so the immortal do have a purpose at the end of E1 but got overshadowed by the extra wave
putting the immortal are also good on D2 as well
queen field
At least you won't "go back" to take more resources (lol)
They could extend the level with this
Having 1 section for giants + hybrids & another one for flyers for ex
mortal granite
save some doors
bold widget
open door. don't get code. leave
bold widget
yeah also depends how spawns are like
queen field
If i have a shitton of time & no more resources i loot the immortal's zone
for health mostly
bold widget
Close all doors behind me + foam
so you're saying foam should go for last code
queen field
yes
you need foam to clear the charger scouts if they annoy you
And foam to strengthen the doors when you escape
bold widget
interesting strat
mortal granite
If i have a shitton of time & no more resources i loot the immortal's zone
immortal zone only have an ammo bag
queen field
Wot
When i listed the resources there was a lot more
not the terminal zone btw
the zone behind
mortal granite
nvm then, idk, watch a vod and heard it only contain 1 ammo bag at the immortal
queen field
based
mortal granite
you could rejoin after scan
bold widget
you could rejoin after scan
lol true
error alarm with 2 snatchers and reduced visibility (non toxic fog)
error alarm
so constant spawns
i think like every 2 to 3 min
granite owl
Can u deactivate the snatcher alarm if u go error side with the terminal command
I remember it being a thing last rundown
bold widget
should be possible but don't know
boreal tendon
no
but you still can launch the contamination scan first and then deactivate the alarms so u only get one charger wave. It's one and the same terminal too 
west crow
r5e1 and its consequences have been disastrous for uplink terminals
queen field
contamination scan ?
in D1 ?
tf ?
And no you can't disable the snatchers error since it's not labelled as an error alarm
halcyon lily
You dont technically need to do the error alarm either you can just straight up the gut instead of going left or right
Though easier said than done. I tried that last night and while I did beat that first alarm I was not in good shape at all.
last gust
I enjoy the d1 error alarm
class X seemed kinda residentsleeper, but I've since seen a team attempt it and it seems tense
due to ammo scarcity and snatchers
not to mention the usual shadow shenanigans
solemn wigeon
Can't wait to play pubs and have people insist the shorter route is better
plush basin
but they saw someone kite the shadow alarm on youtube
mortal granite
stop being a pussy
ornate crow
bot pinger
mortal granite
go do some class X
ornate crow
bam, first class X ez
mortal granite
last gust
go do some class X
yessir
mortal granite
but they saw someone kite the shadow alarm on youtube
i have my video ready
but then i don't want to upload
plush basin
don't you mislead the next generation
mortal granite
class X alarm but it's just me kiting for 5 minutes
solemn wigeon
Just wait till you do B3 with overload
small orbit
Apparently the overload key for B3 is in a secondary zone
Btw how do I get the minigun? or machinegun? I dont see it in the list
solemn wigeon
Apparently the overload key for B3 is in a secondary zone
There's a key in main you can use
small orbit
Really? Cuz I found one but it was not the right one
small orbit
No I did the secondary objective in B2
solemn wigeon
Ok, so you did find a colour key for main
There is also a bulkhead key in the same zone
small orbit
Yeah but I thought it was for secondary and not for overload
And about the minigun yeah idk I cant find it in the gun list
plush basin
the machine gun is a special weapon though
fringe surge
In C3,for the blood door to zone_162 (which has the bulkhead key in it).Do you use c-foam and melee to fight off the sleepers inside or do you return with ammo?
I've been going at it with c-foam trip mines and nades but end up getting overwhelmed
solemn wigeon
167 is the other isnt it
mortal granite
armory is 165
solemn wigeon
Ya you just foam and bonk
mortal granite
but you have mine
fringe surge
I did place mines and use grenades
but somehow enough of them slip through
Ah well,I will do it right eventually
solemn wigeon
You'll always have enough to foam new checkpoints and continue
small orbit
the machine gun is a special weapon though
Yeah that one
haughty plank
Does anyone have the Map for D1?
Did error alarm but for the love of god didnt find the damn terminal
haughty plank
can the terminal be at different locations tho?
solemn wigeon
And all I can say is that the terminal is at the very very top
haughty plank
ok but it is in the big room ?
solemn wigeon
Yes
solemn wigeon
The huge room
haughty plank
ye i ran around in the lower levels
solemn wigeon
You gotta go up like 4 flights of stairs and then do a loop the loop
haughty plank
xD
haughty plank
sweet thanks a lot
haughty plank
wait a sec
In Zone 199 you deactvate err alarm, then override the class x which triggers class S?
solemn wigeon
Yes
solemn wigeon
Going the error route gives you more resources if you are fast enough
But the class x is a lot faster overall
haughty plank
yeah we easily did the first class x like 3 times
but the 2nd class x is just so hard^^' around the 6th or 7th scan we get overrun cuz of bad scan placement
solemn wigeon
Why are you not making it class 5
haughty plank
We didnt try error route
haughty plank
Wait we can just do error alarm, deactivate err alarm, reduce 2nd class x to class V and do the first class x?
solemn wigeon
Or you can just do the class x, and then reduce to 5
haughty plank
is there a checkpoint in between at least?
Or only afteer 2nd class X/V
hm
ok i see theres a checkpoint
before the reduce to class V
stone geyser
ayo is there any way to kill the tank?
small orbit
Dang it tho
Im trying to do B3 secondary its hard as hell
What are you supposed to do against that insane number of ennemies and you cant really hide
stone geyser
tbh its kinda like C1, but id say if there are many bigs 2 snipers max and 2 machine/smgs
turbid egret
ayo is there any way to kill the tank?
are you talking about the immortal in E1?
stone geyser
kk
turbid egret
What are you supposed to do against that insane number of ennemies and you cant ...
Which enemies?
turbid cliff
what abt the kidnapper?
the pouncer
stone geyser
Which enemies?
ty for the info master oogway
west crow
50 damage for a stagger to force the pouncer to back away
fierce laurel
choke mod it
fierce laurel
225 hp no weakspots, but takes back damage
back damage 😔
I love when shooting it's back from the front it does front damage
turbid cliff
deal with it
west crow
blame positional hitboxes
turbid cliff
or lack thereof
turbid cliff
if the pouncer is alone and you know it's coming, it's really easy to dodge it
uneven plank
lmao you're in so many channels saying this.
next rapids
yessir
uneven plank
bonk
kind swan
Skill issue
latent wing
hey guys, i have a question about A1, probably already answered... At the beginning, I understood that the guy tell me to write Recycle Group 7A42 but nothing happened... Which command i'm supposed to use ? I tried query, ping...
hexed vapor
hey guys, i have a question about A1, probably already answered... At the beginn...
Check other zone.
Always use COMMANDS to verify there's a special command.
last gust
the zone with the terminal the guy's talking about unlocks once the guy starts talking
left cargo
hey guys, i have a question about A1, probably already answered... At the beginn...
look at top left of your screen
hallow lark
How’s everyone doing?
uneven plank
good because i don't have to play this game now
hallow lark
fuck you r7
XD.
solemn wigeon
@half hornet
bold widget
when the code is code
solemn wigeon
Having an argument about codes
kind swan
tall hatch
Can somone explain how to get this legs i found it in youtube, (sadly i cant sent this image in the question channel.)
kind swan
It's random
@tall hatch
The drops if it's like R6. Should have their own loot pools. However anything besides those cosmetics that have a image. It's all randomly given out depending on the pool
tall hatch
The drops if it's like R6. Should have their own loot pools. However anything be...
Ok thx for answer
But still 
kind swan
All you can do is pray you get it
tall hatch
Yeah still have 4 Chances
brazen hollow
Anyone got any recommendations for D2? we always end up getting steamrolled
our strategy is 3 def 1 try to find pc in areas but that is a major waste of time in most cases
tools are 2 sniper 1 mine 1 bio
we reset if its shadow room
brazen hollow
we dont like big shadows
brazen hollow
also related to our biotracker guy being the one to enter the rooms
which is kinda dumb when we enter to charger room
prisma zodiac
why not give the guy entering a thermal like pdw?
especially because you kinda want the sniper sentries to have the biotracker buff
prisma zodiac
its ridicolusly strong. Due to shadows (chargers in the dark) and making sniper sentrys broken
prisma zodiac
you wouldnt believe how easy defence is with 2 buffed sniper sentries and 2 people shooting. Bio pings, then shoots. 3rd guy grabs ressource and shoots from time to time. 4th sneaks with a thermal if need be
yep
if mines, then they clear
i actually prefer cfoam 
brazen hollow
do u send the guy with mines in and bio the def
okay yea we're doing the complete fucking opposite
prisma zodiac
but thats mostly so i can be way quicker in zones while still having utility
errant vigil
Cringe
bold widget
do we know if deactivating alarms in d1 deactivates error alarm?
brazen hollow
okay, took us one try after we kept bio with sentries.
brazen hollow
do we know if deactivating alarms in d1 deactivates error alarm?
that has been the case for D3's surge alarm in rundown 6. But Idk if that was intended so cant speak for d1
bold widget
hmmm
deft kiln
do we know if deactivating alarms in d1 deactivates error alarm?
It doesn’t deactivate the snatcher alarm in my testing but all other alarms it does
bold widget
ah interesting
prisma zodiac
okay, took us one try after we kept bio with sentries.
congrats 
it seems because its not an active alarm
your stamina resets with the snatcher dead
which iirc it does not do for any other error
tho i might actually be wrong on this
hexed vapor
do we know if deactivating alarms in d1 deactivates error alarm?
Snatcher "error" is like 20-30 individual waves of snatchers.
Ending with an actual error on a shorter timer.
bold widget
Snatcher "error" is like 20-30 individual waves of snatchers.
lol just kill all snatchers then
ez error wave
devout river
lmao
so you can pretty much still cheese overload then
just respawn at a checkpoint and its free
devout river
forgot about that part
deft kiln
yeah fair enough i did to pdw very fun
raven briar
struggling more on current c1 than past e levels tf
hexed vapor
struggling more on current c1 than past e levels tf
Feels like a big exaggeration.
devout river
I mean I haven’t played any e tier levels but c1 wasn’t too bad so I clearly will be able to easily beat e1 this rundown
hard horizon
having issue with bots holding a cell and climbing ladder bug
fierce laurel
I mean I haven’t played any e tier levels but c1 wasn’t too bad so I clearly wil...
thats how it works
boreal tendon
found it the first time
skipped it every time after
it's just lights for like 5 rooms
hard horizon
ughh where is 331 door in C3 second temrinal
its driving me nuts
oml this entire time i went forward and not to the left
mortal granite
what did this do?
hexed vapor
what did this do?
Turned the lights on in 108 and 109.
Instead of the pitch black lighting settings.
sleek bramble
D1 main tips / strategy / equipment?
mortal granite
do error, it's easier
go over to checkpoint door and lower the second alarm (class X) to class V
tool: 2 sentry, 1 bio, 1 mine
sleek bramble
ok, thanks captain
sleek bramble
we reached the terminal limited connection part because a bug made the enemies stop attacking, but then the terminals stopped working
then we tried again doing the class X alarm, couldn't pass the bridge
and we tried the error alarm, i was thinking we could split to search for the terminal and defend... then i realized how big the error wave was
finally i came to discord to find out how to do this cursed level
hard horizon
nasty cosmetic.
ashen niche
for d2 does the terminal tell you where to go after you go through blood door?
mortal granite
yes
uneven plank
nasty cosmetic.
airborne!
sleek bramble
looks like a 3-day pack for a relaxing getaway in the darkness
uneven plank
that's the pack required for e1 players in order to pack their giant ego's around
errant vigil
drue
rare garden
is it normal to have 5 shockers per wave in c2's overload level 6 scan? it felt like a movie scene when i saw my friend went from 100 to 0 immediately after he left his cover
kind swan
you telling me I've been sculking about in the dark when we could've turned on the lights the whole time
bruhhh
jolly perch
wacky
solemn wigeon
We initially thought it would be in 109 but ya we found it on our way back to try and get the objective text done
lethal lotus
whats the order for c3 pe?
lethal lotus
wait i meant c2 my bad
sick hornet
wdym
hexed vapor
Was having an issue as host where the door would become unpingable and foam would phase through it on my end (but not for client).
Later, had a host that couldn't foam doors fully because after a while it would just ignore it and hit the ground behind it.
Was still having the can't ping doors issue on client, too.
vivid quartz
Foam does go through doors on some levels and it is a host bug I believe
Don't know about the no ping bug
Happened to me on A1 and E1 as host
stable hull
For c1, after emergency_escape_protocol scan is done, do things stop spawning?
vivid quartz
No, you gotta get outta there
stable hull
oh great
vivid quartz
Best of luck 😄
last gust
wait i meant c2 my bad
you have a choice about when to finish overload, between the cell 3/4 sequence and the cell 5/6 sequence
stable hull
I really wish the pouncer spawns werent random when it is the first time encountering them
last gust
what do you mean by random?
they show up in c1 during arena scan, that's a pretty well-defined part of the level
stable hull
one spawns immediately but then none can spawn or many can spawn while escaping
seems too random for a first appearance of a new enemy like this
last gust
my guess is it's dependent on how many enemies you clear or something
like if you're running away from cap many strikers/bigs, snatchers get backed up in spawn queue
if you're killing a lot, then more snatchers can spawn
but I don't know for sure
stable hull
idk because I have had like 3 spawn quickly while still doing scan and also only had 1 while doing scan
last gust
alternatively, maybe snatcher spawns are bugged similarly to d1 overload
stable hull
maybe... hard to tell
last gust
in d1 overload it's pretty easy to tell
"oh I guess I have 3 snatchers every 4 minutes instead of 1 every 4 minutes this attempt"
stable hull
im gonna have to give it a try another day because I cant keep bashing my head against this wall
OH also had a weird bug earlier in C1 where we somehow duplicated a cell when going back to the checkpoint, however then 1 of the 2 batteries that was currently being held as we were spawning at the CP was unable to be placed down
It was the weirdest thing and extremely hard to explain
hard horizon
Pls tell me if D1 solo is possible
deft kiln
Pls tell me if D1 solo is possible
it is a few runs are on youtube already
last gust
I assume t-nenpi or hinoki kited shadows for 3hrs to make that happen
hard horizon
You mean its possible to initiate --> verify specific terminal and literally run back like 15 sec fast to confirm?
last gust
(no disrespect meant, those guys are nuts)
hard horizon
@deft kiln I thinks it almost impossible to solo D1 with running back just to confirm terminal back to main in 15 sec.
unless you get the lukiest terminal in your room
last gust
there are lucky terminals and unlucky terminals
deft kiln
<@325636095067029507> I thinks it almost impossible to solo D1 with running back...
SHOOTER KITTING
last gust
SHOOTER KITTING
🤮
hard horizon
yeah hes trying to find the closest terminal and just running tactic with limit max enemy. that kinda do add extra hour just to complete.
deft kiln
but it is the only way as a solo to do it else you run out of ammo without getting the most based spawns i have ever seen
sharp merlin
D1 has been soloed.. without shooter cap
Just keep failing verification until client terminal is in starting zone..
woeful current
how do you deal with the snatchers in overload for D1?
woeful current
are they constantly spawning or is it bugged?
jolly perch
constantly spawning
i just realized you no longer have to do "ping" for terminal zones
wild raven
where y'all holding out on b3 data cube?
solemn wigeon
I find it's easier not to hold ground
mortal granite
imagine kiting
solemn wigeon
True, imagine kiting
kind swan
bold widget
cheese spot 
atomic escarp
what the fuck is that ||monster that talks in schaeffer's logs||
is it visible in any level?
west crow
The pouncer is what it is
The snatcher, based off an r4e1 log, is completely unrelated
turbid cliff
That would be the pouncer
I think he's referring to R6 logs
keen rampart
Yeah obviously...
west crow
Oops, I'm coping
west crow
what the fuck is that ||monster that talks in schaeffer's logs||
That'd be specimen #something, he was showcased at the end of dx
queen field
The snatcher, based off an r4e1 log, is completely unrelated
Snatcher = Pouncer
Cf patchnote
Pouncer = how it's named in the game files
Snatcher was confirmed to be its name through the latest patchnote
west crow
It's likely snatcher was used for convenience purposes so that people knew what was changed with who
despite that, snatcher still makes no sense lore wise
atomic escarp
as far as i know the snatcher doesn't ||fucking talk and sound all creepy||
despite the ||description schaeffer gives is FAR different than what the snatcher looks||
i am refering to this one
west crow
that was my fault, that was a completely unrelated character that was featured in dx
yeah that's specimen 22
unrelated to both the snatcher and the pouncer
west crow
¯_(ツ)_/¯
halcyon lily
https://streamable.com/wg4fom
That was baby mode stuff. You can block the animation with as little as one of those iron girders. Anyone can do it like that. Seriously all you need to block the attack is something between you and the Head/Upper Chest Area
As long as it's a solid surface you can block it.
Already posted that but just so you can get a visual. All you need is something that thin/big and you can stop the attack.
atomic escarp
ok but with ladders, you can force it to do the climbing animation which you can take advantage of it by meleeing or shooting it
with 4 players, you can pretty much kill it with pure melee in 1 cycle or insta killing with choke mods/high cali/shotgun
which saves time instead of waiting for it to do another attack
here's the guy killing it with only around 20s (+10-20s of it coming to you after spawning)
and this is just 1 person
imagine the speed with 4 people
kind swan
The problem is you either take Sniper or Choke for solo takedowns like that I'm pretty sure
obtuse cedar
meanwhile as client . you get snatched before he finishes the ladder animation
happened to me once
lmao
mossy cloak
The problem is you either take Sniper or Choke for solo takedowns like that I'm ...
HCP works too
real moss
and it was visible in DX?
yes it was visible in R6DX, Dead on the ground
hexed vapor
I'm starting to think that B3 PE is going to be the hardstuck level this rundown.
fierce laurel
B1 is hardstuck
obtuse surge
There's a checkpoint
the 5h B3 clears 
distant chasm
why does e1 remind me of r5d2
kind swan
HCP works too
In terms of raw dps
Sniper and choke are better
Not that HCP cant do it.
kind swan
B1 is hardstuck
Eval is hard stuck and the ai voice mocks you it's too much for you to handle
There is a lot of pubs too that put the baby in and then immediately start the T scan
hexed vapor
There's a checkpoint
It's at the end tho, and only one.
errant vigil
Extraction is really the only hard part of the level
And you can just spam the checkpoint
If CPs had a limit I could see it being a hardstuck level
kind swan
Inb4 50 checkpoints later the game memory leaks and performance issues
But tbh with new players. They'll struggle with C1 or B3 imo
B3 going overload route at least
mystic adder
The B3 struggle is having to explain you need to look down to interact with the HSU as the model is set into the floor haha
obtuse surge
Inb4 50 checkpoints later the game memory leaks and performance issues
game using 15GB of ram on D1 after a bunch of resets 
shadow crane
what the fuck is that ||monster that talks in schaeffer's logs||
thats specimen 22
lost holly
its your average gtfo lobby
nocturne flax
game using 15GB of ram on D1 after a bunch of resets <:trollge:89865506723269017...
funily enough my fps improved when i used a checkpoint on d1
went from 20 fps to 60
deft kiln
went from 20 fps to 60
Checkpoints make the game easier confirmed
nocturne flax
Checkpoints make the game easier confirmed
playable
sweet gyro
C2 after all 6 generators are activated -> Teamscan do or don`t do? What comes after the teamscan? Better doing extreme and overload before the teamscan? Any recommendations to clean c2 for pe?
plush basin
You need to use cells from main to finish overload, so if you've put all 6 cells in its too late to complete overload now. For extreme I think you need to do the teamscan first
sweet gyro
But there is still a cell in overload left?
fierce laurel
its locked behind a cell
plush basin
There is a cell in overload but it is beyond a door which requires a cell
sweet gyro
That means you have to do overload while fog is rising?
plush basin
Yes
fierce laurel
the hardest overload in R7
you have two options,
do overload on the 3/4th cell and have an err alarm at 1hp
obtuse surge
how many snatchers is D1 overload supposed to spawn
hexed vapor
how many snatchers is D1 overload supposed to spawn
1 per wave
fierce laurel
or do it on the 5/6th scan, have no err alarm, but forced to clear the entire overload at near 1
crisp zodiac
if you put 5 cell in the generator and one in the last spot the fog will disapear....so no fog in the overload
hexed vapor
Like many things, it's a CP bug.
fierce laurel
<:kek:852168146394546217>
it's 2 initially
obtuse surge
it was still spawning 2
hexed vapor
Some people have got 3 or 4.
deft kiln
Only one snatcher is supposed to spawn my god I thought it was 2 the entire time weird bug
sweet gyro
Oh okay. So its not worth anymore to take a look in overload area? We cant finish the objective?
fierce laurel
Oh okay. So its not worth anymore to take a look in overload area? We cant finis...
it's too dangerous to clear if you're not planning to finish it
hexed vapor
Oh okay. So its not worth anymore to take a look in overload area? We cant finis...
If gen cluster is complete, that is correct.
sweet gyro
or do it on the 5/6th scan, have no err alarm, but forced to clear the entire ov...
What would you recommend? Do it 3/4th scan or 5/6th?
hexed vapor
What would you recommend? Do it 3/4th scan or 5/6th?
5/6th is considerably easier.
fierce laurel
What would you recommend? Do it 3/4th scan or 5/6th?
I've heard both
my squad did it 3/4 but that's just because we didn't know about 5/6
both are manageable with good enough teammates
but be careful when clearing on 5/6 it can get very dangrous
hexed vapor
Dusk, you can clear the first zone early even on 5/6
sweet gyro
we are just 2 with 2 bots. So we have to make the best out of our situation 😅
hexed vapor
Second zone is the only thing that's gated.
fierce laurel
really?
oh
wait
I'm stupid
😔
I thought this entire time you can't clear ovl on 5/6 until you bring the cell back
deft kiln
Yeah you clear to gen door before 3/4 then do flyer scan and the last part on 5/6
hexed vapor
No, lol. Overload is only behind the bulkhead key, so most people are doing 3-trip Overload.
sweet gyro
Dusk, you can clear the first zone early even on 5/6
So you mean clean the first zone of overload area, then go back, to checkpoint door, safe, do the 5/6th scan, then go back and clean overload?
fierce laurel
you may be better off doing the M scan before, as jish suggested
hexed vapor
So you mean clean the first zone of overload area, then go back, to checkpoint d...
Yes. You can clear the first zone either before or after 3rd/4th, after makes the initialization easier.
fierce laurel
you may be better off doing the M scan before, as jish suggested
wait you cant do that because no cell
I'm confusing myself
helpo
arctic nexus
c3 only map tht has the lobby bug?
deft kiln
I'm confusing myself
You are just a tad
sweet gyro
What happens after the teamscan of main in c2? Err alarm or just extraction?
obtuse surge
who actually tested D1
we're getting waves of 4 snatchers now
D1 is actually unplayable if you don't restart your game on every wipe
uneven plank
*D1
obtuse surge
every D1 overload restart is +1GB ram and +1 snatcher spawn
devout river
I heard that respawning at a checkpoint just stops the snatchers from spawning
Is this true?
obtuse surge
probably
uneven plank
i like that you can skip the whole mother area and negate an entire level 10 scan
it's really great design
devout river
Wdym
uneven plank
easily the dumbest, worst level in as many rundowns as i can remember
and i've seen em all
obtuse surge
they put an alarm and a deactivate alarms on the same terminal
devout river
Why
Tbh I only played D1 once and died so I don’t really know what you guys are referring to but I kinda wanna know so I can use it to my advantage next time I play
fierce laurel
people have said R2D1
uneven plank
r2 was just amazing||ly bad|| in general
velvet flower
There are a few nice levels like R2C2/R2D2. I personally like R2D1 as well, it's the hell as first but taught me so much about this game.
fierce laurel
wait which was the level that had you fog dive without turbine
devout river
D1?
devout river
If we mean r2 I never got past B2 quite frankly
fierce laurel
I'm your usual god rundown 4 player
devout river
R4 = best 
uneven plank
agreedo
uneven plank
i tell you what
fierce laurel
dammit
devout river
Mother error alarm when
fierce laurel
if you get hit in the leg you can no longer move for the rest of the game
velvet flower
wait which was the level that had you fog dive without turbine
R2D1
lone crystal
Sanity mechanic: hallucinate strikers, shaky hands,
hard cobalt
fierce laurel
did you mean: R4E1 remake
nocturne flax
So I can play the same reactor again and get bored half way through
got stamina now tho
add chargers to the wave and we good
empty ingot
Is the D1 overload supposed to be 1, 2, 3, or 4 snatchers at a time?
I've seen pairs a few times but 4 is just ridiculous
hushed token
it can spawn up to 4 per wave, rng as fuuuuck but yeah pretty sure its not intended just untested objective
empty ingot
I don't think I've seen it change numbers per wave. It's like you 2 at a time this attempt, now 1, and now 4 because fuck you
hushed token
yeah i think once you load in the map, the amount in a wave is set throughout the whole level probably
empty ingot
I'd be surprised if 4 is intended, that's such an ammo dump...
Maybe scare them off and keep running?
hushed token
perhaps, maybe if you really blitz to the terminal that shuts off the error it could work
mortal granite
Is the D1 overload supposed to be 1, 2, 3, or 4 snatchers at a time?
right now, the best bet is to let the host do the command
we're tested that, with desync player on the team, it could cause the game to spawn more than 1 snatcher
hushed token
interesting
mortal granite
from a twitch stream that i was in
hushed token
god its like corrupted uplinks and host runs for both terminals
empty ingot
Hm, we'll try that thanks
mortal granite
tldr version:
me being a little laggy can cause game to spawn 3 snatcher
another person that isn't host with almost 0 desync use command spawn 2 snatcher
if you jump into a solo game in D1
sick hornet
r3d1 two, electric boogaloo
mortal granite
put command in, it will 100% spawn only 1 snatcher
hushed token
damn i was hoping the error was 2-3 snatcehrs not just 1
mortal granite
damn i was hoping the error was 2-3 snatcehrs not just 1
3 snatchers is kinda too much
empty ingot
Is desync measurable?
hushed token
i think my team almost made it to shut off terminal with 3 snatchers but yeah its very fubar gotta be on your game and pray they get staggered
mortal granite
if you have a small delay that's less than 0.5 second, then it's below 100 ping
empty ingot
I can observe my lag, i meant objectively
... Ok
mortal granite
i already "adapt" to my 200 ping gameplay
and i think if i'm in the team, i can make the game harder especially D1 overload
hushed token
make host freeze, everyone gets free time freeze ability ez
distant geode
Aaaand failed C1 again
that's 5
People need to stop calling these things easy, think of everyone else
worldly lintel
the bots are completely useless against tank in r7e1, they just kill themselves
hexed vapor
We live in a simulation.
solemn wigeon
People need to stop calling these things easy, think of everyone else
Yeah
hexed vapor
Aaaand failed C1 again
Where die?
distant geode
GPL canister zone (#4)
Then died on the battery room security scan on the retry. No ammo (#5)
hexed vapor
Well if you have no ammo that early, it sounds like something is going horrible wrong.
You get loads.
distant geode
We got one pack with two uses?
No more than that
4 Health, 1 Ammo, 2 Tool
(On try #5 where we died on the battery door)
hexed vapor
You get 3 packs with 2 uses, 4 if you can loot 23.
Use
the
terminal
You always get up to 8 uses of ammo.
distant geode
Uhh no
distant geode
We literally emptied every room before the generators
Lots of fog repellers this time around
hexed vapor
Well you clearly didn't, or you did use the ammo and ran out of it elsewhere.
Ammo is not random
You can drop in rn, go to a terminal, and find all of the ammo I just talked about.
distant geode
All the ammo in the terminal queries were behind the generator ?
hexed vapor
LIST RES ZONE_12
LIST RES ZONE_20
LIST RES ZONE_21
LIST RES ZONE_23
distant geode
Because every run through we have found specifically different ammo locations
hexed vapor
E_12 and such also works
hexed vapor
Because every run through we have found specifically different ammo locations
Yes, the locations are random, the amount per zone is not.
Always been this way.
Again
drop
rn
and check
Do a few times just to be sure.
distant geode
To be fair, we died on the battery door security scan 3 times out of 5
hexed vapor
To be fair, we died on the battery door security scan 3 times out of 5
Is it usually to low ammo?
Because it sounds like either you're not looting fully or you're pissing off z23.
and wasting a lot of ammo on it
distant geode
Security door is always ammo problems. Even when we get past it, we are literally out of ammo and using spears
hexed vapor
Because it sounds like either you're not looting fully or you're pissing off z23...
Yeah, that sounds like one of these things is happening.
You get a lot of ammo.
distant geode
I can empty an entire magazine into the midget ones and they still live
hexed vapor
What weapon?
distant geode
Malatak (Regular Assault rifle) and Precision rifle (Thermal)
Thermal sight SMG and Machinegun
hexed vapor
Malatak (Regular Assault rifle) and Precision rifle (Thermal)
Thermal sight SMG ...
Those both kill in less than 10 shots each, 8 iirc.
mortal granite
👀
distant geode
Those both kill in less than 10 shots each, 8 iirc.
That doesn't make sense. I've literally tap fired a critter with the damn thing, ensuring hits on every shot and it didn't die
hexed vapor
That doesn't make sense. I've literally tap fired a critter with the damn thing,...
Hitting head?
distant geode
No
Can't gurantee headshots, especially when their animations are doing accelerating weirdly
hexed vapor
7 shots, actually, to body it's 10 on AR and 9 on PDW.
distant geode
Which is actually really annoying? It's weird. The animations will accelerate and decelerate randomly
hexed vapor
Probably sniper melee, are you host or client?
distant geode
client
distant geode
What even is "sniper melee"? weird name
hexed vapor
Interpolating enemy movement from buffer
It has inherent desync.
So enemies teleport to their actual position on host's end when they stagger.
It's really annoying.
distant geode
So what you are telling me is that there actually is not enough ammo, since it does not check for desync?
No wonder we run out
hexed vapor
So what you are telling me is that there actually is not enough ammo, since it d...
Well no, even then you should have enough.
distant geode
Well we don't sooooo
fierce laurel
conserve some ammo
turbid cliff
Take a semi and start practicing hitting heads
turbid cliff
Every level is a practice level if you drop in with that intention
hexed vapor
There is no practice mode in this game
Load B1
hexed vapor
B1 doesn't have the same enemy loadout I think
Bro, you're aim training.
Against smalls
distant geode
Does aim training even work? I've been playing stuff like CS, Rainbow6, Planetside, Battlefield, DeepRock, Red Orchestra, Rising Storm Vietnam, Insurgency. ARMA, Halo....
hexed vapor
Does aim training even work? I've been playing stuff like CS, Rainbow6, Planets...
Then skip training and play semi-auto
distant geode
Semi auto weapons have no ammo
I'm taking the machinegun specifically for that ammo capacity
Why would I take something with less ammo when we already run out?
glass sundial
Semi auto weapons reinforce accurate gunfire since you have to manually click each shot, meaning you won't spam as much ammo out
When your gun's playstyle reinforces aiming, you generally will miss less shots. Semi auto guns in GTFO also do much higher damage per shot, so you can still shred things
Pierce weapons like the HEL revolver and HEL shotgun are also more about positioning than aim. You can just prioritize lining up 2 targets rather than aiming accurately
last gust
There is no practice mode in this game
A1 solo is actually really nice for learning to shoot
only annoying part is that you have to run an errand for schaeffer at the start
turbid cliff
3 scans and 2 audio logs to start the level
mortal granite
you can turn off dialog sound now
so you don't have to hear the audio log over and over again
last gust
Semi auto weapons have no ammo
https://www.reddit.com/r/GTFO/comments/vh3t14/rundown_7_weapon_stats_spreadsheet/
They have comparable damage per mag and per refill to the autos
and the autos are more likely to overspill, even with clean shooting
a nice thing about the semis is that you can be exacting about what it takes to kill, e.g. with hel revo or dmr it takes 1 head + 1 body or 3 body, and you're typically going to have an easy time keeping track of that
That said, don't let us bully you into using the semis
hel revo is the "meta" gun and dmr is also pretty cracked, but the autos are definitely viable
distant geode
https://www.reddit.com/r/GTFO/comments/vh3t14/rundown_7_weapon_stats_spreadsheet...
thanks for the link, that will help a lot I think
This makes me very conufsed, wtf does the "capacity" text mean in-game then
last gust
As in, the little notes on the weapon select screen?
"high ammo capacity" etc?
maybe they speak a little to dev intent, but they're inconsistent in terms of how they pan out
e.g. an experienced player would probably get more kills per refill with hel revo than smg, even before factoring in overpen
despite smg being the one with the "high ammo capacity" descriptor
distant geode
As in, the little notes on the weapon select screen?
Yea that's basically it. Ever since the first "fail" on C1 where we ran out of ammo, I have been deliberately picking weapons that have the "high ammo capacity" text on them
Because well.... It literally says "high ammo capacity"
last gust
tbh I still think it sounds like you're pulling zone 23 and shooting it with guns
lots of giants, a scout wave or two, huge waste of ammo
distant geode
We're specifically using the sniper on scouts to avoid any risk
last gust
the sheet I linked will let you know what else can kill scouts
though you might be able to avoid most or all of the scouts in 23 by sneaking through, deactivating fog, then getting out
even without collecting the res
eventually you want to be able to melee scouts, too
hexed vapor
We're specifically using the sniper on scouts to avoid any risk
Is sniper soloing the bigs on that alarm?
last gust
experienced teams will typically melee most or all of zone 23
hexed vapor
If not, consider switching off.
fierce laurel
my solution to ammo problems on C1 is to run two auto sniper sentries
kills half the enemies for you
last gust
also you should aim to mostly melee sleeping enemies when you can
turbid cliff
This makes me very conufsed, wtf does the "capacity" text mean in-game then
In-game weapon descriptions rarely say anything useful
distant geode
Is sniper soloing the bigs on that alarm?
headshots won't kill them no.
turbid cliff
If it didn't kill you missed
You can destroy the head by hitting shoulders (?) but it won't count as a headshot
errant vigil
You hit the shoulder
turbid cliff
You can destroy the head by hitting shoulders (?) but it won't count as a headsh...
.
distant geode
What
last gust
yeah the head can be ripped off along with the top of the torso if you land an upper body shot
always disappointing when it happens
but you can tell the difference if you know about it
errant vigil
If you do enough damage to a striker or striker variants shoulder it will sometimes remove the head as well
last gust
headshots won't kill them no.
I guess the other thing to note is, it's only the sniper rifle that can oneshot bigs with a headshot.
if you're confused because you're thinking about the time that you took off a giant's head with a deagle or a shotgun or something, that's not the same thing at all
turbid cliff
Yeah that's not gonna do shit to giants
distant geode
Yea that's specifically why I thought semi autos were bad
You shoot off the head, and no you have no bonus damage zone
turbid cliff
Autos wouldn't be any more efficient in particular though
Well you have the weapons spreadsheet now so you can go exploring
And as was said, you could just stealth that zone
last gust
DMR on head
dmr isn't sniper rifle
last gust
You shoot off the head, and no you have no bonus damage zone
you get bonus damage
if you dmr a striker's head off, it's basically a sneeze away from dying
if dmr did a tiny bit more damage than it does now, honestly it would be completely busted
you can put a main damage booster on dmr and enjoy the carnage for yourself
distant geode
My logic was relatively simple :
It's not ammo efficient to head then body with DMR. They don't die.
Therefore, switch to AR or MG to waste less paper DPS
turbid cliff
We're talking about giants
last gust
if you're thinking about head damage on bigs, though, their head actually isn't all that weak to most guns
you should try to avoid taking off their heads so that sniper player can 1shot them
not to say that sniper player should kill all bigs, but if you're taking their heads off, you're taking sniper's ability to do their job
last gust
My logic was relatively simple :
It's not ammo efficient to head then body wit...
1 head + 1 body is still pretty efficient
keep in mind that with the autos you will still overspill
also with dmr you could just take off heads and let your friends chip them out
or bring HAR and chip them out with 1 bullet of HAR yourself if you want to play like that
hexed vapor
My logic was relatively simple :
It's not ammo efficient to head then body wit...
They do die, though?
distant geode
Right but it takes that extra second shot
errant vigil
They don't die in 1 hit tho
distant geode
If you do 90 + 10 damage with the DMR you waste 80 potential damage
Compared to 30 + 30 +30 + 10 on an AR
for example
That was the logic
Running out of ammo = not ammo efficient enough
Therefore, drop semis, go autos
last gust
yeah but if you managed to use all of dmr's headshot damage without overspill, it'd be an honorary special
distant geode
That was the thought process
It also made me think the game didn't actually reward precision. (Forgot accuracy and precision are two different things)
last gust
it does
my impression is that the devs designed enemies to break "conventional" rules (e.g. I took its head off it's dead) to unsettle you
it's kinda meant to be a horror game after all
turbid cliff
If you do 90 + 10 damage with the DMR you waste 80 potential damage
Yes but with all that "potential wasted damage" it is still more efficient than just using AR
If you're really particular about it you can snipe the head and leave it to teammates
last gust
but when you learn what combination of hits kills, accuracy is rewarded well
turbid cliff
Anyway i think that's enough on this for now
With weapons spreadsheet and some testing you can review your impressions
distant geode
Does the spreadsheet have a key?
turbid cliff
A what
last gust
beginner impressions aren't going to pass further scrutiny, and that's okay
distant geode
I dunno what "strt ammo" means for example
turbid cliff
The ammo you have when you start the level
distant geode
or the difference between rds/refill vs dmg/refill
turbid cliff
Don't think those are explained further in the spreadsheet
last gust
when I first started playing, I gravitated towards combat shotgun (this was r5), because I thought all engagements took place within 2 metres because my teammates would wake some very rancid starting rooms which would then all swarm on me
thought range was pointless
as our engagements got more planned, and as I started soloing, I learnt that range is cracked
turbid cliff
or the difference between rds/refill vs dmg/refill
Rounds/bullets per refill and damage per refill
last gust
so it goes
mystic adder
Folks theory craft far too much over weapon numbers. The average output is around the same for each class of weapon so the main deciding factor is how comfortable you are with the weapons handling. Generally speaking, thats a great way to balance the game...there are a few exceptions in the load outs though lol
last gust
each to their own I guess
I theorycraft over weapons a lot
I enjoy it and I think it yields results
also the numbers just went some way to addressing a newbies misconceoption that the average output is not around the same among the weapons, so eh
hushed token
practicality matters a lot more in this game never forget
aka bring make machine pistol
turbid cliff
Yes use whatever the f you want
We like numbers so we talk numbers
Doesn't mean we always use weapons based on numbers
frail briar
||Before I raise a bug in the ticketing system, I thought I will share this picture of a double immortal combo||
turbid cliff
That bug might be pretty common
frail briar
True, but no idea how do we replicate it
turbid cliff
I've heard doing the level in a particular order will replicate it
Random networking bs might also cause it
mystic adder
Could be latency, ive seen 3-4 grabblers spawn together in D1 since the "fix" but we did have one packet dropping wifi guy from across the globe lol
mortal granite
||Before I raise a bug in the ticketing system, I thought I will share this pict...
desync moment
if you or your teammate has huge desync happen when you open a security door
it will cause something like this to happen
you can also cause a double error alarm in B3 overload if you desync at the moment you pick up the cargo
jolly perch
isn't there a specific way to cause two immortals
i could have sworn seeing a method where you can but i dont recall
velvet flower
Idempotent method is too hard for the devs probably.
boreal tendon
Not sure if it's intended, but sniper sentry's "additional shots" from biosymbiosis always hit the same target as previous shot. Even if the target is already dead.
velvet flower
put command in, it will 100% spawn only 1 snatcher
Just finished a D1 overload run, we had the host to put in the command, still 2 snatchers per wave.
hollow socket
We had 3 snatchers per waves ?
It was 2 spawning instantly, and 1 more 30 seconds later
are you telling me that should not be the case ?
hushed token
apparently it should only be 1 snatcher
also i found out that the error shutoff does not turn off snatcher perma alarm
3 snatchers per wave the whole level is pain
velvet flower
3 is surely not intended. I'm not sure that it should be 1, though. Never seen a one-snatcher game.
hushed token
but i do think 3 snatchers is doable, 4 is really fubar
hollow socket
3 snatchers per wave the whole level is pain
It was really heavy on ammo consumption, and the game crashed when we killed the last tank of the level. Resulting in nothing, for everyone 😦
hushed token
unlucky, for me we were doing class 10 chargers also with little ammo, then 3 snatchers come up during the 7th wave and its doomed
hollow socket
I'm sure D1 is a Dev Build.
Between the mess up for overload before the patch, the frame rate and the multiple bugs we encounter in this level only.
Crash on last ennemy kill, Snatcher randomly stopped in an other try, etc..
deft kiln
also i found out that the error shutoff does not turn off snatcher perma alarm
It isn’t a perma alarm you can kill like 20 groups of them then it stops or something
hushed token
rlly wtf its not a perma hmmm i guess 20 groups is essentially a perma for the level tho
deft kiln
Also the reason you can’t turn it off it isn’t a error wave
Yeah a tad unless you want to hammer snatchers for 80 mins it is perma
hushed token
but yea D1 is not tested, cool level still tho
hollow socket
It isn’t a perma alarm you can kill like 20 groups of them then it stops or some...
What do you mean by kill 20 group to stop the snatcher alarm?
deft kiln
What do you mean by kill 20 group to stop the snatcher alarm?
You can kill them for 2 hours then they will stop also you can die at checkpoints and they will stop on retry
mortal granite
Just finished a D1 overload run, we had the host to put in the command, still 2 ...
then it also related to client
deft kiln
then it also related to client
Yeah idk what causes it might just be spawn magic
D2 pre patch moments
hollow socket
You can kill them for 2 hours then they will stop also you can die at checkpoint...
The checkpoint stop happened to us but on the second checkpoint reload, not the first one
D1 Dev build confirmed
hushed token
for me checkpointing just booted everyone cause perma server sync 2 frames a sec shut up door lady pls
hushed token
i suspected it was cause we left 1 snatcher alive when we scanned
obtuse surge
D1 also has debug text that shows up in the middle of the screen during the drop sometimes
hollow socket
It sometimes also has a timer popping during the drop
a 20min timer (around that) blinking for 1 sec
deft kiln
Does anyone know is confirm_timed_connection is a deactivate alarms command
Not useful info for anything but d1 hard mode runs
mortal granite
deactivate alarm also deactivate terminal alarm
hollow socket
do we know if they fix the deactivate alarm command that deactivate all current alarm and not only the one you should deactivate ?
deft kiln
do we know if they fix the deactivate alarm command that deactivate all current ...
No it is still working
hollow socket
I would say they did since deactivating error alarm of D1 doesn't shutdown the snatcher alarm. But maybe snatcher isn't technically an error alarm
mortal granite
do we know if they fix the deactivate alarm command that deactivate all current ...
nope
deft kiln
It isn’t technically an error alarm
obtuse surge
for the snatchers they used a separate wave event each time
deft kiln
^
obtuse surge
which is why it has other issues instead
mortal granite
i heard the snatcher use an event
mortal granite
well
hollow socket
Yeah I guess you can try it by starting the Class X shadow and still go error alarm way, to see if it deactivate the class X x)
turbid cliff
Not being actually infinite is an improvement if you ask me