gtfo-spoiler-chat

[atomic escarp]

with d1

yeah I got a tip to make it super easy

bug the game so every enemy is docile

free win

actually tho idk cos we didn't face any struggle and therefore didn't need to learn any strats to win

[jolly perch]

hey what is the d2 interrupted communications referring to?

[atomic escarp]

best of luck to you tho

[jolly perch]

it says:

ugh these things are fucking heavy
yeah how many are we expected to take
lets just carry two and see if warden picks us up

i dont recall us needing to carry anything other than like a cell iirc

[atomic escarp]

I

I thought

B3 PE was pretty challenging

Ha

hahaha

C2 PE

Followed by C3 PE

Pain

[boreal tendon]

so. Are the spawns on|| E1 whole room scan ||bugged or is that a feature?

[errant vigil]

Bugged most likely

Don't really matter people just permafoam where they spawn, actual probably wouldn't be able to if it was random

[atomic escarp]

if you have to ask if it's a bug it's highly likely it is

[atomic escarp]

what guns should we be taking for B3PE

[fallow wasp]

Endless malice was felt

B3 PE complete, and it only took 3 hours

[atomic escarp]

nicely done

[fallow wasp]

that last part where you have to go back to extraction is absolutely heinous

[atomic escarp]

when we did it, our cp broke and spawned double the amount of enemies

so eventually we decided to skip overload cos double strikers and chargers was too much and just leave with secondary

[fallow wasp]

we initially wanted to sneak the mega charger room

but we discovered quick that RNG is a bastard and it was easier to pull the room

[atomic escarp]

still double enemy spawns but we made it. and then we couldnt leave cos we didnt have cargo. even tho we didnt active overlaod

checkpoints are gigabroken rn

[atomic escarp]

where di you pull the room to

[fallow wasp]

I don't know how many dudes spawned in front of our very eyes after the HSU scan

the room right before

we had 3 sentries and 1 mine

[atomic escarp]

oh so what you just shot and funneled them in?

[fallow wasp]

yup

[atomic escarp]

where did u shoot from

[fallow wasp]

you basically line them up along the railings

[atomic escarp]

nah I meant

like

can they hear the gunshot from above fog level in main room

[fallow wasp]

I'm not sure, every time we did there was one elective who ran down and shotone who was in the room

[atomic escarp]

fair nuff

[fallow wasp]

I think they might be able to hear the shots though

[atomic escarp]

sick. gonna use that strat, thanks boss

[fallow wasp]

yee haw

it's honestly slightly rng dependent because if they spawn behind you you can mine doors as you escape

[atomic escarp]

yeah we were tryinthat

[fallow wasp]

and if they spawn in front of you you have to drop shit and fight

also, keep fog repellers for the big hallway and extraction

[atomic escarp]

I'm the sharpshooter of my groups usually

just finished secondary today. Team wasn't in tip top shape so skipped overload

[fallow wasp]

we may or may not have spent an hour and a half trying

[atomic escarp]

I've been able to do this whole rundown with DMR + Sniper/Precision Rifle

cutting it pretty close on secondary still

[fallow wasp]

precision rifle thermal scope is great for the level

[atomic escarp]

your cp didn't fuck you god bless

Did you need help on B3 still

I wrote a damn thesis last night about the last portion

[fallow wasp]

I'm ready to write my own haha

[atomic escarp]

give it to me please

Requires a ton of coordination

Didn't you save it

oh right that was u

lemme find it

It was like a massive step by step thing

Sniper/HPR is great on this level

PDW is solid due to it's thermal scope

I recommend at least one person with high damage single target weapon so that your pdws can save some ammo

Very efficient that way

Man

C2 and C3 PE

Followed by E1's long ass reactor segments

So much pain

I thought B3 PE was tough with it's last section

But it's just a never ending avalanche of bullshit when you go deeper lol

[fallow wasp]

nice

[atomic escarp]

welp last rundown people were crying that the game wasn't hard enough

Like

I hope they're happy now

Know those guys

That are like

who needs guns

[fallow wasp]

You know what though, it was inordinately difficult but I am satisfied as fuck

[atomic escarp]

Half of C3

No ammo

Zero

Zilp zilch nada

[fallow wasp]

I tend to only use my guns during alarms

[atomic escarp]

You get to clear rooms filled with charger scouts with only melee

[fallow wasp]

spear good

[atomic escarp]

No smalls

Giants

Chargers

Fucking shadow charger scouts

kek

[fallow wasp]

Are you making a joke there?

[atomic escarp]

No

Well

[fallow wasp]

Shadow charger scouts

[atomic escarp]

I have no idea if the scouts are chargers or not

Cuz at that point, my team was just damage control

But they are

At the very least

Shadow scouts

I'm fairly sure the one in C3 overload first room might be a shadow charger scout though

[errant vigil]

No

[atomic escarp]

Dude did not die with a fully charged hammer + 53% melee to the back

[errant vigil]

There is no shadow charger scout

[atomic escarp]

Might just be a mistake cuz we can't see shit

You get to run through a massive labyrinth of 3 floors and do coupled uplinks on two different terminals while fighting off infinite waves

[errant vigil]

If you’re at or barely above %50 on melee booster you need full back multi

[atomic escarp]

I am

Gonna take a break from this game

For like a couple weeks

E1 was hilarious though

Cuz there is some funny cheese with the map pathing

So you can force mobs and the tank to walk around in circles by hopping around a weird part of the map

Then it goes to shit once the team scans start lol

[errant vigil]

🧀

[atomic escarp]

It's only in the main room

And it's a bit tough cuz charger range is 10 miles

Ha

I'm so traumatized

I hate scans

I hate terminals

Fucking

Respawn rooms filled with shadows and fog

That you need to clear to find a terminal for a code in 1 minute

Or the reactor sequence resets and another wave spawns

Destroying your already destroyed resources

@atomic escarp cleared everything?

Yes

chad

grats bro

It took 4 hours

For just E1

And around 6 and 8 hours for C2 and C3

for the win or or including fails?

Including fails

ah yeah

The timings are tight

Taking too long means you die

And C2 for example

Has rising fog

I heard ||theres no cp in E1|| 😳

There is indeed none

damn boi

ima be at this a while

it's ok tho I have months to finish it

Dude

Best part of E1

No disinfection

So if you ran through that fog for the terminal?

Out of luck

which levels have spicy fog

C2, E1

C3 is no real fog, but constant fighting

Huuuuge stealth section with a time constraint

You need to speedrun giant melee

With hybrids and shadows if you want secondary

And overload forcing you to clear a huuuuuge area

With three floors

Filled with chargers

And with waves coming through the front

So we had two of us defend while doing one terminal and swapped

[pearl jewel]

I GOT A QUESTION, with c3 does a set of 2 terminals count for 1 objective in overload

[atomic escarp]

And then they would spawn WITHIN the damn overload too

[atomic escarp]

The overload is 2 terminals but with codes sent to another one somewhere

Requires two players

[atomic escarp]

yet another double terminal I hate those

Unless you want one guy running around opening logs, running back to check the code, then inputting slowly

@atomic escarp do u think it's possible to solo the rundown without abusing bugs/glitchs

Fuck no lol

[dusky sluice]

I haven't gotten terribly far in r7 yet but Is the diffi pretty pumped up from 6?

[atomic escarp]

Absolutely not possible

Not this time

[pearl jewel]

i mean like one terminal and one with codes count as 1 set or does it count as 2, because we just finished overload but didnt get the completion @atomic escarp

[atomic escarp]

every rundown before this was doable right?

[atomic escarp]

Counts as one set

[pearl jewel]

damm

[atomic escarp]

You need to do two

[pearl jewel]

we missed it

[atomic escarp]

R6 was truly kind

Benevolence

[past crypt]

how do you kill scout silently without sniper rifle ? me and my boy always fail we just got the game for the weekend

[vague mauve]

full charge hammer/ spear to head

[atomic escarp]

Scout? Fully charged with hammer/spear, back of head with bat/knife.

[atomic escarp]

Sledgehammer Bonk to head

[dusky sluice]

Thought knife couldn't occiput scouts

[atomic escarp]

If charger scout, bring sniper rifle to shoot in back, scatter gun.

You can occiput scouts with the knife

If the scout is facing any other way jumping or aiming really high helps since hammer hits in an arc trajectory

[vague mauve]

full charge bat/ knife or half charge hammer to back of scout head

[atomic escarp]

spear/hammer to head, knife/bat occiput. hc, precision, sniper, shotgun to head. revolver to occiput

E1 was hilarious with my team

[atomic escarp]

nice list but he said silently xD

At first

[past crypt]

occiput is the back of the head right ?

[atomic escarp]

It was easy

Then it kept adding shit

A team scan

[atomic escarp]

Head FROM the back

[atomic escarp]

shhhhh

A room scan

A terminal thing

Then a whole ass reactor scan

Running through three different areas

To get terminals

And any delay means you get to fight more waves yay

@atomic escarp were you disappointed that r6 was too easy

Like, you need a STACKED squad

No

R6 was easy-ish

[past crypt]

aye thank guys

[atomic escarp]

I know alot of ppl were

But it didn't feel like

Pure bullshit lol

all the 1k hrs ppl

[kind swan]

is there any Error levels?

[atomic escarp]

R7 definitely has it's bullshit moments lol

C3 is pretty much an error level lol

D2

[atomic escarp]

||invulnerable tank||?

Is an error level

[atomic escarp]

He was ironically not the worst part of it

is that the only level where it is

Just need someone to kite him a while

Yes

only 1?

of them

Two I think

[pulsar zodiac]

Immortal encourages very interactive gameplay

[atomic escarp]

Near around 70% complete

Another one joined the party

[pulsar zodiac]

by having one sitting for 15 mins

[kind swan]

[atomic escarp]

Then they threw snatchers at us too

resident evil stalker

Ha

Haha

Very fun

So much fun

[pulsar zodiac]

the second immortal is actually not bad

the first one

[atomic escarp]

It's bad cuz you need to do team scans

Class 5

While fighting off waves of chargers

Ha

So that one guy that was kiting needs to come back

[pulsar zodiac]

class 5 is easy
its just boring to kite

[atomic escarp]

christ man

[hallow lark]

So far... I got A and Bs complete.. c1 and D1 complete without sounds

[atomic escarp]

I don't even remember C1 at this point

[kind swan]

solo?

[hallow lark]

Hell fucking no

[atomic escarp]

Lmao

This rundown is not possible solo

[hallow lark]

After what I saw in C1.... I’m like “fuck this solo shit”

[pulsar zodiac]

C1 is solo doable

[atomic escarp]

You need to transport two power cells in C2 in rising fog

No bots solo

Is just not happening

[hallow lark]

Uh... problem

The thing ONLY targeted me and not bots

[atomic escarp]

Oh was that the uh

Funny tentacle man

[hallow lark]

Yes

[atomic escarp]

Oh yeah

Shows up at the end

That one

[distant geode]

So, C1 is impossible. Not enough ammo, hp or anything really. Lots of glowsticks and lockbreakers though

And literally 0 checkpoints. That was a waste of time

[dusky sluice]

Tank ai only goes after players and bots don't shoot it

It's rare that thing goes after a bot

[atomic escarp]

B3 is possible, but requires thorough prep

[pulsar zodiac]

Objective wise only D1 is very hard to solo

[hallow lark]

Uh... I learned that D1 is nigh impossible for solo (if someone did that... props to said person)

[dusky sluice]

Is the old apparel still in the pool or they gone?

[pulsar zodiac]

you need to keep refresh the temrinal needed in the same zone as the init terminal

[atomic escarp]

Old apparel is still available

[pulsar zodiac]

keep failing til the terminal is in the same zone if you need to solo D1

[distant geode]

said wrong one oops. C1, the third one down in the chain of gold color missions.

[dusky sluice]

Alright cool cause I don't really care about much of the new items, just going for the prosthetic hand

[distant geode]

You kinda just run out of ammo.

And no terminals really spawn so you cannot ping the objectives

[hallow lark]

Otherwise... I’m doing much better vs the Shadows

[dusky sluice]

Shadows have just become a joke at this point

[hallow lark]

Not for people with hearing issues

[atomic escarp]

You probably had bad rng with supplies

[errant vigil]

TFW no plant backpack

[distant geode]

... that really just shouldn't be a thing

[dusky sluice]

Just pick thermal if your having that issue

[pulsar zodiac]

while other 3 squad mates has it

[hallow lark]

Oh. I’m already using PDW. It completely solved my issues with shadows

[dusky sluice]

Though I still wouldn't say shadows are your biggest problem if you have hearing issues

[errant vigil]

I got two robotic ugly pieces

[pulsar zodiac]

I dont have both the plant backpack and the robot leg

[hallow lark]

What would you say is the biggest problem for a deaf person in this game?

[atomic escarp]

The biggest problem is definitely coms

[dusky sluice]

Stealth in fog

And yeah coms

Sound isn't like as necessary in action as it is in stealth

[atomic escarp]

It is helpful, but often times, you just trigger rooms from a guy downstairs anyways

[distant geode]

I haven't noticed any directional damage indicators, so I would say it's still an issue in combat. If you cannot hear the screams, you won't know who hit you.

[hallow lark]

Thought Coms is up kinda minor since someone can just prep up a plan sheet for me to follow (Kinda like, do A, if this happens, then B) kinda thing

[dusky sluice]

I'm not saying it's null

[atomic escarp]

Coms is important cuz you need to do immediate commands like input codes and passwords

[dusky sluice]

Just definitely not as needed as stealth

[atomic escarp]

Though I guess you can just ask someone else to do it

Also if anything happens on the fly

Then you're out of the loop

[hallow lark]

Um. I did the Init Commands on D1, as well as Confirm it

[atomic escarp]

I mean like

Linked terminals and stuff

[hallow lark]

While teammate did verification

[atomic escarp]

Reactor terminals

[bright summit]

damn one can really not try and solo D1 can you. The times just too tight on the terminals.

[dusky sluice]

If you got a good pinger you should know where majority of enemies are and thats basically your danger notification

[hallow lark]

I’m always Main Bio so pinging is my thing

[atomic escarp]

Bioscanner is definitely pretty solid regardless of hearing

[dusky sluice]

Aye

[atomic escarp]

Specially on low visibility maps

I hate fog

I have developed a true hatred of fog

I see fog outside the window sometimes

[hallow lark]

That’s how I roll! In R6, shadows are my true hell cuz I have no way to tell their active states

[atomic escarp]

And I shake my fist at it angrily

[dusky sluice]

Regardless though with intro of thermal I'm less worried about shadows than I am just normal lickers and spitters

[atomic escarp]

Even people with hearing usually discover them after getting hit lmao

[pulsar zodiac]

its possible it just required a lot of failing sequences to get the terminal nearest the main terminal

basically very RNG dependent

[bright summit]

but why tho

[atomic escarp]

Cuz this game is suffering

[bright summit]

kept sending me to the literal opposite side of Area 19

[atomic escarp]

Even for speedrunners

Everyone gets to suffer

[hallow lark]

Hilariously tho... our D1 only used 2 terminals for the whole thing. 225 and 532 (I think are the terminals)

[bright summit]

it took the entire time bar just to GET to the terminal it wants

then i have 15 seconds or whatever to run 1+ min back lol

[hallow lark]

Yes, 2 Inits on each one

[bright summit]

why....why you do this.

[pulsar zodiac]

and you need to get 4 out of dunno how many attempts to get the nearest terminal RNG

[atomic escarp]

This rundown is pretty brutal

[hallow lark]

Me and Raya went with a quick Coms system on Init, Ver, Conf

[atomic escarp]

Even the self proclaimed 'pros' with more hours in this game than you have been alive

[hallow lark]

R from him to start, r from me for ver, and it’s done

[atomic escarp]

Have been destroyed

[bright summit]

yeah this ones particularly nasty

its fun

[atomic escarp]

I had a guy crapping on us for using boosters proceed to trigger a shadow scout and ragequit lol

[bright summit]

but damn some of the missions im begging for a checkpoint on

[hallow lark]

XD

[bright summit]

and it just

keeps

going

[atomic escarp]

We did E1 so many times and this dude ragequit too

Like

These goddamn weenies wanted this shit

They talk tough shit

Going like

[hallow lark]

From what I heard, this RD may be on par or tougher than R5?

[atomic escarp]

R4 was harder than this, you guys have it easy with your checkpoints

[atomic escarp]

[hallow lark]

Noted

[atomic escarp]

lmfao

Then quit after a 1 hour failed run into E1

[errant vigil]

Kiting rundown harder

Ok

[atomic escarp]

lmao

No checkpoints, you wanted it

Congratulations

Then this dude sounded like he died on the inside

Lmao

now they can't complain about the game being too easy

[hallow lark]

XD

[pulsar zodiac]

I would say this E1 is not hard its sort of tight on resources

but very short

compare to other E1

[hallow lark]

Interesting.

[atomic escarp]

If you fuck up

Even once on the reactor verification cycles

It's gg

[bright summit]

the other E1, you mean the like 4-hour MEGAVAPE slog lol

[atomic escarp]

You will not have enough to get through

My team mapped out our route 2 hours ahead of time

Robotically

[polar sphinx]

what's the overload for r7d1

[atomic escarp]

Snatchers spawn

[polar sphinx]

very ominous the fact that the sector itself has nothing

[atomic escarp]

Error alarm

[polar sphinx]

why

[pulsar zodiac]

permafoam charger room alarm
profit

[errant vigil]

Cringe

[atomic escarp]

2 snatchers per wave every few minutes

You're expected to do all of main with snatchers showing up randomly

[hallow lark]

I don’t wanna see those things XD

[bright summit]

ill admit, first time snatcher got me I was like 'WAITNONOTTHEFACE'

[atomic escarp]

The cheese exists for now though

[pulsar zodiac]

funny enough its actually not error
its fixed spawn time
ends at around 75 mins

[atomic escarp]

Interesting

Well

[hallow lark]

Fixed spawn time?

[atomic escarp]

Have fun with 75 minutes of snatchers

[hallow lark]

Wait... 2 snatchers per ? Minutes again?

[pulsar zodiac]

you should sit in a cheese spot spawn for 75 mins then start the main sector

[polar sphinx]

bruh

[atomic escarp]

Or you can...

Just take the bulkhead key

Which is not behind a security door

Do all of main

Then go back to trigger the alarm and have 3 extract

[errant vigil]

It definitely didn’t get tested

[atomic escarp]

Yes

Huge oversight

[polar sphinx]

wait

[atomic escarp]

Easiest overload of my life

[polar sphinx]

the main door doesn't need bulkhead??

[atomic escarp]

It does

[errant vigil]

That’s why the d tier was still yellow on the roadmap

[atomic escarp]

It's just that the bulkhead key is in the first room

[atomic escarp]

dude. every enemy bugged out so we got D1 overload literally for free

And does not require the alarm to be triggered to retrieve

[pulsar zodiac]

turns out we are all bug hunters

[atomic escarp]

E1 bugged out

[hallow lark]

How did that even happened?

[atomic escarp]

Which is probably why my team succeeded

One of the guys quit midway through

[polar sphinx]

so that's why nothing was happeningg

okkk

[atomic escarp]

And it made all of the meatballs freeze

And no more meatballs spawned

Desync saved the day

[atomic escarp]

don't know how to replicate it. we went to overload and someone woke up the scout, the scout stayed permanetly invulnerable, everything woke up, enemies didn't move or attack. no scout wave. We keep going and every enemy is passive. Sometimes the enemies will teleport around or rubberband. Sometimes they'll be invisible. Rarely you'll get hit by something out of nowhere. sometimes when you attack the air it will hit something. copy pasted from media

Desync

Your host has mcdonalds wifi

he has rly good wifi actually

He dumped a mcdonalds burger into the modem

the other missions we did went perfectly

0 lag

[bright summit]

tfw you just trying to gert that overload but the bigmac dropp

[atomic escarp]

so it's possible that if net dies at the right time the whole level bugs out?

Desync really does break levels though

Yes

gotcha

lesson learned

break wifi for free E1

[hallow lark]

Also... PDW with around 55% Main Dmg Boosters (3) is very powerful

[atomic escarp]

I probably would not have finished E1 if it didn't bug out somewhat

A wave of chargers broke

And they just stood there

Menacingly

No idea what happened

It was like a good 12 or so

Probably reducing maximum wave count the whole game

That's desync

Yup

Happens sometimes if you kill something when it first spawns in too

fuckin wild

This game tries so hard to make itself hard that sometimes it just spawns shit in your face

And if you kill it too fast

is that fixable?

It becomes immortal

No

You gotta restart from lobby

no like

And sometimes it just spirals into unresponsiveness

can the devs fix it to stop it happening

Peer to peer games all have this issue somewhat

"can", not "will" btw

Splatoon, Payday, etc.

[errant vigil]

Probably but they don’t really care too much

[atomic escarp]

Payday I believe has a client sided packet system so enemies tagged as dead on one side will die on others regardless of where it how stupid it looks lol

So unless the bend over backwards to try and make sure it's seamless

No

They probably value immersion more than payday team does

[errant vigil]

They’ll do their post 2 week patch and then vacation for the next 4 months

[atomic escarp]

bribe scaler to make a guide on how to desync your game consistently for free r7

Problem is

When desync happens

The game has no idea whose game to believe in terms of information

yeah that happened to us

Is this dude dead? Alive? Where is he? What is he doing? Etc.

And AI tends to run in a queue system

We got shown different terminals in the D1 4 scan

So everyone has it's orderly line of commands to go through

When there's a major malfunction there, then no commands go through

I think this game seems to have a different line of code for interactables like doors, but if the desync is constant and bad enough

Then even objects break and then the game just bogs itself down trying to figure out stuff

And then the whole thing just stops functioning

Desync happens way more in chaotic levels since way more commands are going through and there's a higher chance of something going poorly

Chargers specifically seem to have an odd issue. I think it might have to do with their speed being so fast.

Meatballs also are pretty funky

I guess if you're disgruntled enough with a level

You can just swap hosts a few times and see how badly the game breaks

free r7

I plan to do D1 legit eventually tho

@lavish copper

i am lagging

D1 isn't too bad with the overload cheese rn

[cosmic hull]

Anyone else get the cfoam bug where you cant re-cfoam a door?

[wary olive]

do you mean as its actively being broken into?

[cosmic hull]

Yea

cfoam just goes straight through the door

[wary olive]

its because its landing on enemies that are clipping through the door. if you aim at the top of the door it should foam the door

[cosmic hull]

Ohhh, cheers, I have to try that next time (I mean, still a bug though)

Also my vision being sideways when coming out of a snatcher

[atomic escarp]

thanks for this info

[brazen hollow]

||can anyone tell me in which stage does immortal appear||

[atomic escarp]

||if you mean immortal tank then E1 only||

[brazen hollow]

oo solid

ty

[verbal niche]

so, i've looked if anyone else has had this "bug", but seems like im the only one

im actually locked on c2

3 cells for 3 gens

the rest are behind locked doors

[wary olive]

where did you get your 3rd cell

[verbal niche]

i think 150 or 152

[wary olive]

is it the zone with the bulkhead key

[verbal niche]

the bulkhead zone cell is locked behind a door needing a cell

[wary olive]

yes

[verbal niche]

i literally cannot get another cell

and all the other doors are locked

[wary olive]

wait, you get 2 cells from that first room

[verbal niche]

or need a cell

[wary olive]

you can either put those straight into the generator cluster or use 1 to open teh bulkhead key zone and get another cell there

then you should put 2 cells into the generator

the next zone should have another 2 cells

[verbal niche]

sorry, im wrong on the room numbers

i think i got 2 cells from 147-149

put a cell into 150

got a cell from there, its still a total of 2

WAIT

am i dumb?

[ashen citrus]

oui

[bright summit]

you slap two in the gen, it access' another door

two of the doors around the gen have number-reqs on cells in gen

2 then 4

that opens the path to mroe cells/etc

im more concerned i screwed my secondary objective atm

as i only had the one bulkhead key and went to go do overload first

[verbal niche]

i think 153 is locked because i need to power the vents, right?

[bright summit]

yyyyes?

theres a few like that

[verbal niche]

yeah

[bright summit]

should be a terminal near by it

[verbal niche]

ah

right

thought it meant main vent

[wary olive]

you did not, that door will become openable after you finish main

[verbal niche]

i am dumb

[bright summit]

woo

[verbal niche]

welp, ty for the help. back to the game with me

[bright summit]

no worries I had a similar issue

there was this little hidden door that lead to more cells for the overload lol

and I was flailing around trying to find more cells to jam in teh genny

[sharp merlin]

2 cells in each 3 paths, optional room for bulkhead key requires a Cell and also has cell, + 1 cell in 303 in optional objective

[royal lichen]

c2sec was definitely a high point, so nice

[west umbra]

can you one shot headshot the scout with the high caliber pistol?

[atomic escarp]

at mid range too

can also one shot it in the back within 8 metres

[west umbra]

noice

[bronze thorn]

From anyone who’s done D-1, do you know what the overload objective does? My friend and I opened it a couple times on our attempts but ultimately didn’t on the one we succeeded. But it was NOT clear what we needed to do with it

[atomic escarp]

objective is bugged, literally just start it and finish the level

rn you can clear level then go back and start overload then extract

dunno if this is intended or oversight or bug

[bronze thorn]

Well you have to enter the overload for the bulkhead key to move on so you have to open it at the start of the level. I wondered if it like changed bay spawn or something for the waves you face?

[mossy yoke]

D1 Overload is running the start filteration command.
||please don't cheese it by doing it at the end. but ultimately, if that's how you want to get a completion, then that's on you||

[boreal tendon]

"cheese it"

[bronze thorn]

Oh so it’s a command on a terminal?

[boreal tendon]

how is completing the level in optimal way "cheesing"

[paper harness]

Don't cheesing please

[bronze thorn]

What does it do when you run the command?

[signal fox]

wait doc, are you saying that the bug hunters didn't notice that overload is just unfinished and broken? 😳

[sharp merlin]

Aren't you supposed to do it at the end? Then why would they let you get the bulkhead key first :/

[boreal tendon]

it's like "pick up the cargo in R4D2 overload as soon as you enter the overload zone"

otherwise you're cheesin

[bronze thorn]

But what does it do to the level?

[atomic escarp]

sorry you need to understand the bug hunters are doing the work for free, so you cannot criticize them whatsoever

[signal fox]

mb bro

let me criticize their delivery team

[sharp merlin]

I can pay them

[atomic escarp]

it's ultimately the developers' decision

[signal fox]

that they supposedly have

[sharp merlin]

I have mad money

[atomic escarp]

you just don't understand their INTENTION for levels

[wary olive]

if i dont read doc's spoiler does that mean i can cheesing it?

[boreal tendon]

noone is. Criticizing unfinishing the level and then calling optimal way to clear it "cheesing" is fine tho

[paper harness]

but how do you know what his spoiler is if you haven't already read it

[wary olive]

shhh

[atomic escarp]

winning expeditions is cheesing btw

[bronze thorn]

I just want to know what the overload does 🥲

[wary olive]

i click a different channel then click back, and it becomes blocked again

[mossy yoke]

you're not supposed to run the command at the end. you're supposed to open overload, go to terminal, run command, then do main.

[bronze thorn]

Cause it was a 6 hour endeavor to beat D1 without it so I wanna know how impossible the overload can make it

[mossy yoke]

it is a bug that you can do main before running the overload command which we'll be fixing

[sharp merlin]

Ah, is there any way to know that? It isn't made obvious

[boreal tendon]

great that the game did anything to inform us that this is how you should do it

[sharp merlin]

It's not a bug... its a mistake in the level layout..

[mossy yoke]

potato potato

[signal fox]

you don't understand. Sentry back damage is a bug too

[sharp merlin]

Umbrella term

[atomic escarp]

putting key behind another door, then inputting a command to open it is very difficult to implement yes

therefore you are cheesing by finishing high before ovl

[sharp merlin]

Oh, like R4C3?

[mossy yoke]

you're right, it's not difficult. was an oversight, hence bug

[sharp merlin]

Have this happy dog

[wary olive]

d0c why did you guys change the trajectory that bullets come out of the shotgun?

[mossy yoke]

overloads are meant to change the environment of the level more/less, so adding fog, adding enemies, etc. secondaries are about adding a whole new objective

[paper harness]

what the dog doing

[sharp merlin]

Not doing D1 again

[bronze thorn]

I came here for answers

[wary olive]

why

[signal fox]

you mean how like r7c2 overload doesn't change the environment or add enemies?

[bronze thorn]

All I found was arguments

[atomic escarp]

i do think overload changed the environment of c2 and c3

[mossy yoke]

that uhh looks like a bug lol

[wary olive]

...

[boreal tendon]

they are meant to, doesn't mean they have to

[atomic escarp]

nah that's just realism and immersion

i don't know what you're saying

[mossy yoke]

Oh hai. glad you're back!

[signal fox]

go back to having me blocked, I liked you better that way

[wary olive]

does that mean that bughunters dont do quick swap shots like that so they didnt notice the change?

[paper harness]

kiss and make up

[bronze thorn]

I’m sure there is a better medium for you guys to discuss the complicated processes of debugging games and the processes to go about doing that

[sharp merlin]

There is, but again, sniper melee is not fixed, so nothing is really effective

[bronze thorn]

Meanwhile I’d like to use the spoiler chat for spoilers by knowing what the command in D1 overload does

[boreal tendon]

dogs every few minutes

[bronze thorn]

Thank you

[mossy yoke]

and fog

[bronze thorn]

We call them Yoinkers 🙂

[mossy yoke]

om nom nom nom

[sharp merlin]

Me and the boys skipping overload

[wary olive]

also d0c, was the DMR scope now having that heavily delayed sway intended? or is that a bug

[patent ginkgo]

how is E1 unlocked I have done A-D1 and d2

[dreamy bramble]

all main objectives i've heard

[paper harness]

yeah it's all main

[sharp merlin]

E1 only has main, you can check on the Rundown screen :D
if you want to do secondary, B2/B3/C2/C3 has secondary :D
if you want to do overload B3/C2/C3/D1 has overload :D
again, check on the rundown screen buffoon

[paper harness]

I heard E1 has a hidden overload objective which is to pull all rooms in the stealth zone

I think that was the way the devs intended the level to be played

but people in pubs keep cheesing it and suggesting something called "stealth"

[sharp merlin]

E1 overload = no dog walking

[sharp merlin]

I think that's a bug

[paper harness]

the dogs are loose

[paper harness]

yeah for sure

[sharp merlin]

Damn, furries at it again

Poor pTank

[wary olive]

pTank stands for Pablo tank?

[mossy cloak]

Pmom stands for Phat mom
Ptank stands for Phat Tank

[atomic escarp]

pussytank

[paper harness]

I think it stands for psnipermelee-Tank

[atomic escarp]

[paper harness]

as an tribute to the well known feature known as "sniper-melee" implemented in the game since R1

[atomic escarp]

btw

idfk what sniper melee is

someone explain pls

[mossy cloak]

me looking at the R7 patch notes looking for "sniper melee fix"

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/782449204035321886/959343567879430194/sniperfrank.gif

[atomic escarp]

so giants with massive range?

[mossy cloak]

giants with giant range

they slap you from far away

[atomic escarp]

how many meters away

[mossy cloak]

as much as a sniper would

[atomic escarp]

damn

heashotting jumping solly/demo, or a scout thats up in your face, or invis spy, or med with full uber feels so good

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-tf2-sniper-tf2-meet-the-sniper-team-fortress2-gif-23137486

[sharp merlin]

enemies used to really jitter badly
to combat this, devs made enmies lag a little behind on clients

Downside of this, is that on host side, it looks like Enemy is punching Client, but on client side, the Enemy is like 1 second behind from where it should be

[atomic escarp]

any enemy can sniper melee?

[sharp merlin]

Well, Charger/Giant/Tank can only melee

This is also why some strikers can tongue you through wall at corner

[atomic escarp]

right whoops I meant everything except shooter types/scouts

[sharp merlin]

Yeah

[atomic escarp]

damn

[sharp merlin]

It's a network ":bug"

not an enemy thing

[atomic escarp]

lotta network "bugs" going around rn

[sharp merlin]

That’s kinda the only “network” bug

[atomic escarp]

desync isnt a network bug?

or is sniper melee an effect of desync

[sharp merlin]

Okay but that’s not necessarily a bug I feel

That’s just bad network

[sharp merlin]

No

[atomic escarp]

righto

well

desync can get pretty fuckin wild

[sharp merlin]

You should’ve seen pre R5 host migration :D

[atomic escarp]

we had dudes teleporting and rubberbanding around

[mossy cloak]

if you haven't hammered a P mom to death you haven't known real host migration

[sharp merlin]

Man made horrors beyond your comprehension

[olive fog]

D1, put neonate in the machine then objective just says proceed to extraction but there's no extraction? Bugged I take it?

[atomic escarp]

If you have to ask if it’s bugged, it’s most likely bugged

[astral ferry]

plugged in neonate in the wrong place

you have to insert the neonate in the opening on the lower floor of the room

[atomic escarp]

Out of context, that's super funny

[sharp merlin]

baby in the wrong hole

[craggy crane]

So in C1 are there really only 4 cells total?

[fierce laurel]

yes all in same room

[royal lichen]

damn that c2 overload. pfuuh. a flyer gets close and one of the bots breaks out the old trusty sharp thing, starts charging melee.

[fierce laurel]

uh is there a ss you can send me

[royal lichen]

please, don't shoot at all. good boy.

[fierce laurel]

or describe where it is

[craggy crane]

So what

generators

are important

[fierce laurel]

yes

and dont softlock yourself

[craggy crane]

damn thats kinda dumb

but its ok

[fierce laurel]

a big part of the challenge is lugging 4 cells while something is happening

[craggy crane]

No its like

how do we know which gen needs which cell

[fierce laurel]

the objective

there's 6 gens on the map total

[craggy crane]

collect canisters

[fierce laurel]

yes

[craggy crane]

gotcha

[fierce laurel]

look for which zones have glps and plug accordingly

there's 2 you'll have to plug in no matter what so that leaves you two more

what level?

oh C2PE

[royal lichen]

right next to topleft red door

in a cabinet of sorts

[fierce laurel]

under t he stairs

enjoy

[royal lichen]

very cool map, main and secondary. overload..... ehhh..

[fierce laurel]

overload is a trip to hell and back

somehow did it first try then proceeded to fail it 7 times in successive runs

[royal lichen]

some frog repellers left over woulda been good but needs 4 active weapons to fire

with 2 bots that doesn't happen. 😦

[fierce laurel]

you dont even get to use fog repellers

you are going to be on max infect no matter what

[royal lichen]

i dont claim skill, au contraire but i do blame bots. they stopped shooting well before we took hits w bro, had knives out. melee bubble breached.

[rocky marsh]

just finished b3 pe

holy fuck

what the fuck

[fierce laurel]

ayo!

lets go

[rocky marsh]

fuck that level

[fierce laurel]

yeah that level hits different

[rocky marsh]

felt more like a c3 level

not a b3

[royal lichen]

overload moment

[fierce laurel]

if you're from last rundown it may feel that way

[rocky marsh]

r4 and r5 c3 was cooked but man this b3 overload

[fierce laurel]

but this is the proper PE difficulty

[rocky marsh]

yeh

this feels like r4 difficulty which i rate

[fierce laurel]

R5B PEs were pretty close to this

[mossy cloak]

R6 was the easiest rundown so far imo

[fierce laurel]

there's not really room for argument there

maybe R1 but I never played it

[worldly cargo]

R1 is the easiest

then R3, then R6

[fierce laurel]

R7 is definitely a return to R5 difficulty

[fierce laurel]

well R3D1 was a lot harder than most of R6PEs

[atomic escarp]

man B2 is fucking rough

aswell

hardest b level ever

[worldly cargo]

true but the rundown as a whole

[fierce laurel]

maybe

then again it didn't have optionals

[worldly cargo]

i'd say they're on par

[royal lichen]

b2 was just long, beeg

[atomic escarp]

r6 hard levels were uh

[worldly cargo]

B2 is long and boring

[atomic escarp]

d3 pe, obviously

and c3 pe

maybe c2 extreme

d4 was bad

[fierce laurel]

which B2

[next rapids]

C3 hard level? kekw

[atomic escarp]

most definitely

very difficult

[worldly cargo]

it's hard because my frames are nuked

[atomic escarp]

on par with some R5 levels

[worldly cargo]

it so isn't bro

[atomic escarp]

c2 extreme was more like a really hard b level from earlier rundowns

[next rapids]

skill issue

[atomic escarp]

D4 was just genuinely tough and way too long

[worldly cargo]

r6c3 is easier than r5b1

[atomic escarp]

aight thats cap

[royal lichen]

r7 feels like more mob sleeping but melees feel more powerful

[worldly cargo]

maybe it's my bias because R5b1 was so fucking long

[next rapids]

true

[royal lichen]

so clearing a room w 4 giants 2 hybrids ~5 smalls is like 3 minutes tops

[mossy cloak]

R6C3 was a joke

[next rapids]

^

[atomic escarp]

c3 pe was hard as fuck you're insane if you say it wasnt

[worldly cargo]

r5b1 has a giant charger error, a reactor with a lot of bigs, and an infectious fog dive with chargers and big chargers

[atomic escarp]

like actually

[next rapids]

how is it hard?

explain

[fierce laurel]

R6C3 wasn't that hard

[worldly cargo]

and you're gonna say it's easier than r6c3pe?

[royal lichen]

r5 had sniper sentry back damage, trivialized much of

[atomic escarp]

how is it not

[fierce laurel]

the hard part is actually just learning thelayout

[next rapids]

what makes it hard?

[mossy cloak]

it's just run arround

you have infinite ressources

[next rapids]

you run and gun

[royal lichen]

r5b4 was a breeze w 2 snipersentries

[atomic escarp]

tanks, giants everywhere, hybrids

[worldly cargo]

take a sniper lmao

[mossy cloak]

C3PE is as easy as R5B4

[atomic escarp]

infection fog

[fierce laurel]

once you learn the level it becomes very simple

[atomic escarp]

the list goes on

[fierce laurel]

it's not easy

but it's very learnable

[atomic escarp]

it was extremely fucking hard

[mossy cloak]

that's 🧢

[worldly cargo]

not saying it's easy, just not comparable to r5 b tiers

take a mine deployer and win

[atomic escarp]

im saying you're wrong

it wasnt really that simple

[next rapids]

this guy is a fucking troll

[mossy cloak]

ok maybe it's because i've done R5E1 cell skip so i find it easy

but when you get near infinite ammo/tool/meds in C3 you're bound to find it easy

[next rapids]

lmao

[atomic escarp]

you have to be

C3PE was way worse than any b level in r5

[next rapids]

did you even play r5

lmao

[mossy cloak]

if you want a level that's REALLY hard just go to R5E1 cell skip

[atomic escarp]

I am legally obligated to not answer this

[next rapids]

well obviously you haven't

[fierce laurel]

sir I plead the fifth

[next rapids]

no moron will compare R5 B levels to R6C3 lmao

7 wave reactor with big chargers seems pretty fucking hard to me

[atomic escarp]

a moron would say the b levels were worse

[crimson python]

r6 rundown alone is a joke

[atomic escarp]

you're just nostalgia-ing out

I get it

[worldly cargo]

r5b1 has a reactor with a lot of giants (more giants and hybrids than in r6c3, not to mention big chargers), r5b2 you have a fog dive section with an alarm in it, r5b3 you get a thunderdome with a tank error, r5b4 is probably the only one that's r6c3 level

[atomic escarp]

rundown 5 was hard but the b levels were just long and irritating, not actually difficult

[fierce laurel]

that's false

[next rapids]

sure buddy

[worldly cargo]

lmao that's how i feel about r6c3

long and irritating

not difficult

[mossy cloak]

i do agree that most R5 levels were long but
R6 was piss easy and short

[atomic escarp]

C2 extreme wasnt that bad tho

tbh

it only got hard cause of the bugged hybrids spawning every 15 secs

[mossy cloak]

tbh as long as you have at least 40% c foam the hybrid wave was trivial

run in shoot sleepers close door repeat

😳 just like R6C3 but you place mines instead and you have near infinite ressources

[next rapids]

this guy is just comparing with shit that he doesn't even know about

says R6C3 is harder than any R5 B levels

but didn't even play R5 to begin with

[mossy cloak]

i would just say R5B3

R5B3 you get into level you have 6 chargers every minute and have to explore and infectious foggy zone

[next rapids]

and extreme

[mossy cloak]

that also contains scouts

and the extreme that has a tank

[next rapids]

hybrid and giant charger blood door and tank door

wait not blood door

[worldly cargo]

kinda the same thing anyway

i think they were blood doors tho, can't recall

[mossy cloak]

anyway enough reason for R5B3 to be harder than R6C3

[next rapids]

yup

[mossy cloak]

in R6 i'd say each level difficulty went down a level

B levels are A difficulty
C levels are B difficulty

[turbid cliff]

exaggeration

[atomic escarp]

r6c3pe is pretty difficult

if everyone brings sawn off revolver

[mossy cloak]

a bit exaggerated i can agree

[atomic escarp]

anyways

D4 was fucking torture

it didnt even have any side objectives

[daring pilot]

Loved R6C3, favorite level of R6

[candid pelican]

@full flower ||After plugging in the baby and the flyers spawn.. Don’t start the alarm immediately. Kill off the flyers then start it||

Makes it much easier

[daring pilot]

It’s not an error?

[candid pelican]

Nope

[daring pilot]

;-;

[candid pelican]

Only one wave

[candid pelican]

I know the pain

[daring pilot]

Your pfp says it all

[dire notch]

I honestly dont remember the actual dev name for these types of doors, I always just call em Fancy doors

time to go face the hard part for the 4th time

[daring pilot]

Apex doors

Or warden doors

[dire notch]

thought that apex doors had APEX marked on them in the map, 🤷‍♂️

[daring pilot]

idk just remember this from the wiki ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[full flower]

thx but thats what we already did, i think our mistake was that we all stayed in the scan. Wouldve been better to have some people defend. Cause i watched a video where they did that and the scan was barely slower

[daring pilot]

If its anything like a normal big scan, two people should do it

[zenith wren]

surprise???

[full flower]

what was in there

[daring pilot]

The big red circle scans progress much faster with at least two people, so maybe the big red T-scan does the same

[full flower]

so 2 people scan while 2 people defend is probably best, thx

[daring pilot]

That’s what my group did yeah

[quick bronze]

Just wanna say, shout-out to these three randoms. Hope I can find em here. Best team I’ve ever had in this game

It’s so rare to get good randoms

[candid pelican]

Ikr

[quick bronze]

It was more shocking that the guy named Ice was the only one besides me that talked. Other two were using text and yet we all managed to stealth and complete the mission rather quickly. 40 minutes

better than my other several attempts with other randoms

[daring pilot]

Some randoms are just built different

[dire notch]

This is my 4th try of C1 I actually got to the ending part. and I still dunno how to deal with it

the running from a horde into another horde is rough

[mossy cloak]

it is apex it's written on the map of a old GTFO trailer gameplay video

[dire notch]

any tips for C1 in terms of weapon selection? 2 of my team are using PDW's and revolvers, but it's not working out very well)

[mossy cloak]

use the H||eavy||C||aliber||P||istol||

super strong

also get something against big boys

[hexed vapor]

If you have a good enough player, Sniper is pretty good.

Lots of bigs on the S, and you get the instant-stagger if you WP a snatcher that goes for a grab.

[dire notch]

I've been doing this level for almost 9 hours over the past 2 days

this is horrible

[mossy cloak]

where are you failling?

snatcher alarm?

[dire notch]

the Hunter room

[mossy cloak]

oh ye snatcher room

the only real issue is the snatcher

HCP/sniper will destroy it as long as you hit it properly

or shotgun while you use a teammate as bait

[dire notch]

well, we have 2 machine guns

a revolver, and a pres rifle

[hexed vapor]

The most important thing is that you need your best anti-snatcher weapons shooting it as soon as it goes for a grab

[mossy cloak]

yeah you don't have any BURST damage

[daring pilot]

hel shotgun works really well on snatcher

[hexed vapor]

You need to do 50 damage to prevent grabs

[dire notch]

THAT, I have

[hexed vapor]

I would have 2 people on wave clear and 1-2 people focused on snatcher w/ weapons that can output damage quickly (shotguns, HCP, or Sniper).

[daring pilot]

it also might hit your teammate inside it, idk :3

[dire notch]

I'm the only one with a shotgun

😦

[mossy cloak]

i haven't had any issue on this alarm so can't really help you more

||i mostly failed on what's after because 0% ressources||

[dire notch]

that

is the other issue, yeah

it's the alarm, and what comes after

[daring pilot]

That was my problem until I dropped the fog

[dire notch]

no, the other alarm

the one with the Hunters

[mossy cloak]

tbh to fix what's after the alarm i just backtracked to grab the ressources left behind from the Power cell running part

[dire notch]

we did that,

[hexed vapor]

Like, on E1: ||when we're doing the containment scan we just have our sniper ready to prevent grabs and do damage to the snatcher w/ one other person. Grabs are really bad during that section, but sniper lets the rest of us focus almost entirely on waves.||

[daring pilot]

Yeah, we couldn’t survive the Jerry alarm bc so much ammo got wasted in fog room

[dire notch]

we have ammo, we dont have anything to deal with the Hunters really

[hexed vapor]

MG can do it tbh, but MG needs to be on that shit.

Both immediately divert to DPSing Snatcher when it runs up.

[mossy cloak]

yeah Machine gun as pretty good damage you can even kill scouts with machine gun

[daring pilot]

Hel shotty should be more than enough

It unloads REALLY fast if you rapid fire

[mossy cloak]

just need to hug the snatcher

[hexed vapor]

P sure it has stagger multi, too, but I'd need to check.

Main issue w/ shotguns, especially HEL shotgun, is that you have to position to have an angle when it goes to grab.

Sniper, and generalist specials (especially HCP), have better range.

[dire notch]

if someone DOES get grabbed, do you shoot it, or no?

still cant tell if it hurts your teammate or not

[daring pilot]

Yes absolutely

[hexed vapor]

Yes, you want it to drop them as soon as possible.

Plus, killing it is always good.

[daring pilot]

You can free them if you stagger it

[dire notch]

-_- my team abandoned me, time to find another group that wants to join mid game

[fierce laurel]

did the devs mess up on D1?

||was it intended for overload to be first?||

[errant vigil]

No

Well yes

[dire notch]

Doc said that it's a bug that you are able to do overload last, but I didnt hear anything about the first part

[errant vigil]

But not being able the grab the key and finish main before putting in overload command

[candid pelican]

“A bug” they would need to redesign overload to fix it lool

[fierce laurel]

so you are supposed to start overload before starting main

[candid pelican]

Yes

[fierce laurel]

is there a snatcher err?

[dire notch]

i'm just parroting what he said ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[candid pelican]

Not an error but it spawns a few

[fierce laurel]

we only had one pair spawn

oh okay

[hexed vapor]

Was 90% sure it was an error?

We had them spawning constantly once we started it.

[errant vigil]

Yea it is

[daring pilot]

I never saw any