gtfo-spoiler-chat

[obtuse surge]

if something is shit

you say it's shit

that's just it really

and it'll be up to them to fix it or let it rot for whatever they consider "valid reasons"

(and for things that are very bothersome but they still choose not to fix (yet) they can still be addressed in things like a devblog for example)

[obtuse cedar]

enjoy making that long list of shit to fix then. cause there are a lot of things to be fix that we all know already

[obtuse surge]

it was only brought up because it matched the topic

which is what mostly happens

we aren't really trying to make a full list

well, you'd think that's what bughunters do

or whatever official team they have for it

[fallow wasp]

they should make bots get infection and alert scouts just because

particularly evil

[chilly ivy]

I hope one day they can do this

[brazen hollow]

No to scouts but infection one is fair

[urban cypress]

Unless the bots break and just stand in the fog.

[nocturne flax]

@shadow crane correct

100% correct

[shadow crane]

I am confused why asking for weapon rebalances for weapons not even in?

they might not even return

[nocturne flax]

Oh they will

If they "might never return" then i wish hel revo stood 3 feet below the ground

Never to return

😫 😫

[shadow crane]

xP

[fierce laurel]

burst cannon

[subtle vault]

Cannon

[solemn wigeon]

You are sentenced to 15 minutes of png minecraft shorts

[fierce laurel]

nooooooo

[barren lion]

Well, bots are at least as good at doing scans as most of my friends if not better. Would not call that an real issue. There are lots of actual issues in the game to be fixed before that in my opinion.

[mossy marsh]

do

post scout tendrils

[next rapids]

you need to be in scans to get them to do scans lol

[chilly ivy]

near to scans

[kind swan]

Y'all r doing scans?

[shadow crane]

Hey! I have a serious wonder here.
B2 the first rooms before doing any scans. A big shooter spawned and accidentally woke up. Shot me once and I got instant 100% infection. Is this normal?

[solemn wigeon]

No, that doesn't happen

Playing with anyone?

[shadow crane]

Yes, another 3. One of them wasn't speaking and I asked if any had mods. Squiro left shortly after I requested they join vc

[solemn wigeon]

Probably that Squiro guy then

No enemy in the game aside from spitters can infect you

[shadow crane]

unfortunate that he should try and ruin it ;w;

oh well. Thank you for the help

[solemn wigeon]

No problem, safe gaming

[shadow crane]

We ended the game to get another in. Everyone got rewarded with 20 aggressive boosters

[solemn wigeon]

I remember @obtuse surge reported about this earlier lol

Epic nexusmods moment. The place where all the cheats in every game lie

[shadow crane]

mega cringe

[velvet flower]

Still type someone's id in the pub channel might causes concern.

[next rapids]

gtfo anti-cheat when 😔

[mossy marsh]

gtfo anti kite when

[bold widget]

how can bodily misshaped deformed babies be fast

[obtuse surge]

drugs

[half hornet]

Same way chihuahuas move.

If I were to guess.

Just lots of energy and neurosis , contained in a small body.

[real moss]

They act a lot like chihuahuas. Lots of running around and biting but one hit with a hammer and they are done for.

[half hornet]

🤨

[obtuse surge]

thanks for this information

[crude harbor]

I want more content Hope r7 will fix machmaking

And Hope no more pewpew rundown but something different

[normal stump]

every map is all respawn rooms

shooting problem fixed

[crude harbor]

Just put less ammo in the map and Nerf hell weapon problem fixx

[crude harbor]

And ofc Nerf sniper tooooo strong

[crude harbor]

In r5 was in a really good spot sniper why buffe It in r6?!

[hexed vapor]

I don't think anyone really knows why it was changed (publicly) tbh.

[half hornet]

What was changed about it?

It seems to be decently balanced.

[real moss]

It has more overall ammo

[half hornet]

Kek

What is it right now? 15?

[real moss]

In R5 it was 3 clips and empty something like that

[half hornet]

So about 9 shots

[cloud ibex]

12 shots

now is 22

i could be wrong

[real moss]

ah so 4 clips

[half hornet]

I swear to god its something like 15 right now.

[crude harbor]

I Hope they dont buff skarttershit in r7

[real moss]

scatter might not even be around in R7

[crude harbor]

*skattergun

[real moss]

ok to confirm: R5 was 12 bullets total for the sniper

[crude harbor]

Idk man hellgun was r3 and r5 weapon Only rundown and they bryng in r6 so why they cant bring skattershit in r7?

[real moss]

To confirm R6 is actually 18 bullets total. It got buffed with 2 clips

[half hornet]

Hm.

18 dead giants... I mean...

[real moss]

yep while in R5 only 12 dead giants

[crude harbor]

Yeah Is yooo much

Tooo*

[real moss]

and then you had the older rundowns where a headshot is not even a 1HK on a giant

[brazen hollow]

And then.. we had pre nerf scattergun

[real moss]

momma go poof

[brazen hollow]

Ngl was hilarious being able to oneshot moms

[crude harbor]

Mamma r5/r6 Is a joke

Idk why they Nerf mama fog

[real moss]

why was R5 mamma a joke?

Haven't seen a difference with R3/R4

[crude harbor]

Fog wS nerf

You dont Need a fogrepeller for Hunt mama

[brazen hollow]

Was still fine tho. Fog is still significant

[real moss]

I did not even notice the difference

[crude harbor]

Play r4 you ser the different of you Hunt mama with out a fogrepeller

[real moss]

I did, R3 also did not see the difference

I guess did not pay enough attention

[crude harbor]

Idk about you but for me in r5/6 without fogrepeller if mama use fog Ican't see her location but in r4 you could

Couldn't

*i m sorry for my english

[real moss]

I have never resorted to fog repellers in any rundown to kill a momma. They are not THAT hard to find. But it might explain why I never saw a nerf or difference

[kind swan]

[crude harbor]

I tryed lfg but It felt more streessfull

Btw It Is my machmaking experience
https://c.tenor.com/_J-Z2O9x0E0AAAAM/sleep-sleeping-time.gif

[real moss]

I lfg exclusively

[half hornet]

I don't know, lfg people seem more chill

Mm is infested with Chinese speedrunners

I love the 24/7 sound of bhoping in my ears

[kind swan]

When bhopping no works anymore

[crude harbor]

i miss bhopping but i understood why they removed

[kind swan]

Personally I'm done with correcting misinformation / playing pubs with newbies or old players coming back

(Had a guy who refused to believe me bhopping didnt work anymore)

[crude harbor]

bhopping still work but you cant sprint

[kind swan]

And as far as I know it's still doable but not sprinting yeah

[crude harbor]

now walking is the meta xD

or shooting XD

[kind swan]

I see very few people do it though

[crude harbor]

in these rundown stealth is not a option !!

[normal stump]

I mean it is an option

just not a very fun one :>

[obtuse surge]

can sprint

can't silent land from a sprint jump

well thats a lie

you can jump into a wall to land from your sprint jump and then it won't alert

and you can probably also get the landing in the silenced timeframe if you're jumping up a ramp

but i never try that one

[crude harbor]

oh really ?! i wanna try

[obtuse surge]

for the easiest way but with little benefit you just do a regular jump and then sprint for a small period after

and you keep repeating that

[crude harbor]

ok but probably its worth walke mele or not ?

[obtuse surge]

you are slightly faster than just walking

but you'll probably have less stamina overall

so once the room is clear you kind of get slowed down cuz u can't rly sprint yet

[crude harbor]

ah stamina.....

[obtuse surge]

so in the end

very little gains

[crude harbor]

ok so just

pull shoot

much faster and there is no downside

[obtuse surge]

[crude harbor]

x>D

and if you suck at aim you can bring boosters ez XD

there is something i didn't undesrtoood in r6 why in the r6 roadmap group machmaking is it green (green should be somthing fixed but its not 90% of the time doesnt work) ?!

ok nvm they changed in the roadmap maybe im wrong xD

[smoky lake]

shoot pull room mine door open door expand agro room mine door run back to prev door

full team mines = B2 Bomber

enemy stand no chance just too strong

[worldly cargo]

matchmaking works perfectly

like flawlessly in my experience

it's just that no one uses it so it takes forever to find a match (:

[crude harbor]

I play Only machmaking and group machmaking doesnt work

If you search a game in party the host will get kick when you find the game most of the time

[worldly cargo]

o nvm then i take that back

solo matchmaking works lmao

forgot it's gtfo i was talking about. I'm so used to low standards

[errant vigil]

Funny thing is that matchmaking with groups is green on the roadmap but it rarely works

[wary olive]

back to pre-extension lull

😔

[west stream]

j

[distant bramble]

spoiler alert, dr strange transforms into thanos

in the new movie

[fierce laurel]

this is the spoiler chat after all thank you sir

[stable hull]

Hey does anyone think DX is a bit too hard? I get it is D tier but the fact I have no time to orient myself or let my pc render everything when I teleport

I wish the enemies wouldnt spawn until you start the first terminal on the planet

[next rapids]

its only hard because it lags your game xd

[mortal portal]

In terms of R6, the last part is the only hard part imo, but that's just the bad optimization + having to deal with constant influx of enemies.

Which might be a really tough task if you're not prepared/used to it.

I don't wanna be that guy to say that we've been through worse in previous rundowns, buuuut...

We've been through worse

[next rapids]

devs figured out how to make r6 harder

just make the player have low fps

[mortal portal]

Honestly the staircase of doom thing was pretty fun, if it wasn't for the fps drop of course.

It's just that the rest of the level feels like a cheap filler for it.

[hexed vapor]

^

It's such a dull level otherwise.

[supple ocean]

I started back when rundown 6 released so ive never played 1-5 but watching videos the previous rundowns seem a lot harder than this one.

[real moss]

Your assumption is correct

[crude harbor]

they had to add more meat in cx and dx there are zones that are literally a waste of time (bulkhead terminal and extraction cx big room and no enemy for no reason and the same for dx specimen 22 zones).

[next rapids]

CX is fine lol

just do secondary

[mossy marsh]

lmao

secondary is a joke

[crude harbor]

Lol

Extreme joke no challenging

[mossy marsh]

I like CX, but aside from the shadow terminals the level is empty as fuck

it only has one singular peak the whole level

they should go back to just making 2 hour levels

there is even a room that always has only one single enemy

or two if you get blessed by RNGsus

[next rapids]

nah they can't make them in 4 months

[mossy marsh]

[crude harbor]

The only challenging part in these extented Is doing uplink with lagg and random players.

[next rapids]

true

they unintentionally made the levels harder

low fps

[obtuse surge]

skill based fps

[surreal rivet]

Y'all lagging? Buy a new gaming chair, nerds.

Ez fix

[kind swan]

👀

Not enough RGB lights smh

[royal lichen]

d2 uplink now has chargers and flyers. always did?

[velvet flower]

Always did.

[half hornet]

Didn't they changed something about it?

I heard something about their being "bugged fliers that are not supposed to be there" or something like that

[hexed vapor]

It was bugged to be all flyers.

[nocturne flax]

You welcome

[vestal mountain]

Me when someone listens to me when I tell them to talk to Calle

[true hawk]

It did seem a bit too easy with only the flyers

[glossy zodiac]

Всем привет, есть кто из Снг поиграть хочет ?

Если да пишите и добавляйтесь в друзья

[sick hornet]

#hc-europe message

[fallow wasp]

How many uncharged gut stabs does it take to kill every enemy?

[kind swan]

7 with bat and Hammer iirc

10 with spear and knife

Technically 9 for knife if the "striker" was sleeping initially

Bat and hammer 10 hits on "Shooter"
Spear 15
Knife 15(13 if initial hit is from sleep)

Hitting enemies infront and to the body hurts so much

[manic spire]

on giant it's 60 for knife:)

[kind swan]

highly unlikely anyone goes to a giant and does light attacks

[turbid cliff]

Assert dominance

[rain trench]

Does anyone have any detail(or concept arts) on the "Snatcher", "Immortal", "Siren"? It's been bugging me and it's on my mind. I gotta know what they look like

[nocturne flax]

Wip enemies or cut enemy in general

They basically fucked up by showing their work early to hype up the game and now we are two years down the line without seen such enemies

Youll most likely see then 2 yeara from now

[rain trench]

Dang rip

Lol

[nocturne flax]

Welcome to gtfo

[rain trench]

Hopefully they add new entities

It would make the game even more challenging

[nocturne flax]

Oh, we all do 😔

Hopefuly r7 delivers

Or else ill cut my chorizo off

[royal lichen]

.. again?

[nocturne flax]

I say that a lot dont i......

[royal lichen]

well u got plenty even if ya snip the tip from time to time 😄

[half hornet]

Spider enemy when

[tough totem]

giant spider enemy when?

[mossy marsh]

• Eh, don't worry, it grows back
• [on the back] no it doesn't

[half hornet]

Me: just wants to see new places

[kind swan]

[manic spire]

Me:Just wants to see new terminal gameplay

[hearty escarp]

How many scattergun shots does it take to take down a normal birther? It used to be 2 before scattergun was nerfed, right?

[candid dragon]

its like 4-6

at 4 its generally pretty much rounding error taken care of by your other teammates

[hexed vapor]

Like 3 if you're client.

[next rapids]

isn't it only like 2 scattergun shots and 4 pistol shots?

[hexed vapor]

Probably

2 scatter shots hurt big

[next rapids]

yeaa

[wary olive]

yeah 2 scatter and any full mag of primary will kill mom as client

maybe even half mag

[next rapids]

ye half mag

few shots only

[last gust]

Does anyone know if it's possible for cfoam tripmines to expire? Did a c3pe duo earlier where we set up 2 cfoam tripmines outside tank door (about 2-3m apart, plan to freeze tank twice), but when we got up to the fight one of the mines was gone

*d3pe

[digital dawn]

They shouldn't expire, maybe one was triggered.

[last gust]

Yeah I thought of that

teammate seems pretty confident that didn't happen

apparently he checked through the twitch vod and is confident about it

fwiw we still got it done, just odd

[digital dawn]

I'm just gonna go with bugs then ^^

Congrats btw on the duo👍

[last gust]

ty

[obtuse surge]

is the screenshot a leak

cuz it look like just dx

[digital dawn]

I'm assuming its just a nice screenshot

[obtuse surge]

[digital dawn]

But I miss most details in leaks so don't take my word ^^

[prisma zodiac]

Its litteraly dx
Zone 81, checkpoint door

[broken scarab]

It's just a nice screenshot

I haven't taken any screenshots of the new Rundown yet

[broken scarab]

Most impressive!

[next rapids]

pls do 🥺

[broken scarab]

Some of the expeditions are getting ready to be screenshots, but better to wait some more. Maybe have another leak ready tho.

[next rapids]

okk

[nocturne flax]

#gtfo-media message

[half hornet]

What could they possibly throw at us that they haven't tried yet? Invisible scouts in Bs? A random wave out of nowhere? Wait, no, you did that already...

[next rapids]

lol

[half hornet]

D3 orange room but with scouts thrown in for a good measure?

[next rapids]

thats kinda like D2 dark zone

[half hornet]

What's worse: tank or mother?

[nocturne flax]

E tier in a datacenter envioroment

[next rapids]

situational

[half hornet]

On average

[next rapids]

mom i'd say

[digital dawn]

*Floodways with Reactor

[nocturne flax]

If you fighting a wave, and suddenly a mom pops up, its gonna be big teamwork moment

[next rapids]

yea ^

[nocturne flax]

Im gonna cry if our next E1 its reactor

[next rapids]

mom can wipe teams very quickly

[digital dawn]

Maybe 2?

[nocturne flax]

if they put 3 reactors ill be happy

[digital dawn]

4 is too much?

[nocturne flax]

main, extreme, overload, overloadedededededed

icon its not even gonna be a skull but a default android :happy: emoji

[next rapids]

hmm

i wanna see a 10 min class S scan

kekw

[digital dawn]

10 min T scan you mean

[pliant shard]

I wanna see a real ball buster. I’m talking about real GTFO cbt

[next rapids]

nah S scan

[nocturne flax]

How about we do class 9 alarms again

[next rapids]

inside fog area so you'll be holding turbine or smtg

[nocturne flax]

but more awesome

[next rapids]

yessir

[nocturne flax]

BUT

this time

[pliant shard]

Class 9 alarm where the prisoners split up and have to kite

[nocturne flax]

not in a fucking B tier that mess with new players

kekw

[obtuse surge]

is there more than 1 A tier

🥺

[nocturne flax]

more A level please

[next rapids]

please put mom in A level again

le troll

[nocturne flax]

1 Pmom and shadow giants in a overload

[half hornet]

Yes please, I need more levels where I can just chill and not sweat bullets crawling around 20 sleepers with giant support.

[next rapids]

you can't chill in R5 A levels

unless you are just doing main objective xd

[prisma zodiac]

just make it a s tscan. It moves back when you have someone out or down :^ )

[next rapids]

LOL

make it a suggestion please

[real moss]

those were so troll

[half hornet]

It sounds like E tier will join D as the "I can't be bothered" tier

[real moss]

with the right guys you could do it very probably

[half hornet]

Also I don't like letter E

It's ugly

[real moss]

In that case: RIP

[broken scarab]

Four mothers

Angry as hell

[prisma zodiac]

wdym d tier being „cant be bothered?“

[real moss]

Make them shadow mothers plz

[broken scarab]

It's the day before the pay check arrives and you just shat in your last diaper.

[mortal granite]

4 Pmothers

[broken scarab]

Of course

[real moss]

Thx

[half hornet]

Maybe once shadows are actually visible on low settings

[real moss]

But when you ping them you can shoot the ping.

[half hornet]

Pffft

[real moss]

And also it's only D3 (on D tier)

[prisma zodiac]

and if you struggle, double bio is pretty damn good on both d3 and cx either way

[real moss]

What if next rundown: shadows on B tier?

[prisma zodiac]

I honestly think shadows should be c tier and below only

outside of optionals of course

[real moss]

ofc me too but if they have done a mother on A tier and chargers/big chargers on B tier before. It sure is an option

Even if nowadays they go easier rather than harder. so fair enough

[half hornet]

Let me remind you that you need to aim for weapoints. Weak points that YOU CAN'T SEE.

[prisma zodiac]

lets not act like rundown 5 had good enemy distribution xD
(Tho r6 also doesnt have the best) both are extremes

[half hornet]

At that point they're basically unbeatable unless you have a lot of ammo to burn through taking potshots.

[prisma zodiac]

eh you dont rly

Also general aim is fine. Shadows are slow and move at you in a straight line mostly. Their head doesnt change height rly

[real moss]

shadow die easier than regular strikers

[vernal rose]

For shadow scouts, perhaps, but you can easily tell where the head is even in low settings just by observing the tags' movement

[half hornet]

Oh godda~ I'm speaking specifically of mothers / tanks

[nocturne flax]

But mom and tank got big pieces of meat hang out there backs

[prisma zodiac]

Oh

[nocturne flax]

staight up meatballs

[prisma zodiac]

i think he means shadow versions of em

[real moss]

ooooooh 😅 that was just for the joke. I don't want them to really make a shadow mom

[nocturne flax]

spaggethioooss

[vernal rose]

I can get the hitboxes OP on tanks, but mothers can easily be lured by waiting for it to come to you instead

[prisma zodiac]

yeah those rly shouldnt be a thing outside of memes for e tiers xD

[half hornet]

Oh.

[nocturne flax]

Oh shadow mom and tank.... please no, thats lazy

[prisma zodiac]

it would be way more interesting to get new unique enemys than more shadow versions

[vernal rose]

Hybrid scout when?

[half hornet]

I wouldn't put it past you, people. Maximum suffering for keks

[nocturne flax]

"Giant scout"

[vernal rose]

Big scout

Big scout

Big scout

[pliant shard]

Give me a scout but one where the prisoners have to split up

[obtuse surge]

first R7E1 alarm, class 3 T S

and it has broken scaling so in solo the scan takes 7 minutes

😄

[prisma zodiac]

has 190 hp

Can only be one shot by scattergun to the back or head

and then they remove scattergun

[real moss]

there is a limit. It's not like we just want to suffer.

[prisma zodiac]

yeah. For example there are things that sound insane (like a mother error alarm) but can actually be very chill

And then theres stuff thats just straight memeing

[atomic escarp]

A Scout that summons other Scouts

They are completly invulnerable when spawned, reach you, and just scream

Summoning other Scouts in the process

[real moss]

Or a scout, New variant. That summons one single tank. And he has another scream

[nocturne flax]

If timer that error timer its 40 seconds and you have to go trought 3 zones then thats insane

if that timer its like 1m or 1 min 30 sec then yeah i can dig that

[real moss]

exactly and technically as long as you keep out of sight. Nothing attacks you so it could be chill

[nocturne flax]

its all about the momentum

in this game

you push too much shit and it becomes annoying to deal with

you push too little its too easy and boring

gotta keep the right amount of preassure

thats why i loved the first 30 min of r4e1

[obtuse surge]

solo r7e1 by stacking 10 birthers and then letting them all birth to lag the game

[prisma zodiac]

3 min, but you have to deal with scouts + alarm(s)?

And obviously only a part of the level. Like R4e1 with tanks for example

[nocturne flax]

Ill take a whole level tbh kekw

i like levels that push you

the more i move and shoot and fight in those zones the more fun i have

sadly very few levels are like that

[prisma zodiac]

level idea
Starts with mom error into rooms with enemies, scouts and alarms
You stop it.
Then start a a tank error, which spawns 2 big chargers aswell each time til the rest of the level

[real moss]

D4 had a decent start

[nocturne flax]

r3d1,r4b2 (PE) ,r4e1, r4d2, r2e1, (if the foward spawn doesnt fuck your door set up)

[prisma zodiac]

r2e1… yeah
suffers from wave spawning on 2 scouts

[real moss]

R4B2 sure was great

[nocturne flax]

yeah tank needs support from other sleepers, he alone aint scary, thats why first tank was always hated on e1, because of the hybrids and smalls kekw

[half hornet]

C3?

[real moss]

R4E1 was ....interesting

[prisma zodiac]

C3 of this rundown is just mining doors

[nocturne flax]

one foward spawn

THE FIRST SURGE IN 593: YEAH MAN YOU CANNOT HOLD THAT LMAO

[plush basin]

I kinda hated that level tbh. Dealing with the fact that they could spawn ahead and alert scouts and destroy doors you needed was a pain

[atomic escarp]

This could also happen in R4A2 Overload

[plush basin]

True, but there wasn't an alarm to do in that section which was more concerning than the scouts

[real moss]

Not on R4B2 iirc

[nocturne flax]

yeah but for an A level having a foward spawn fucking up 2 scouts because bulkhead didnt open in time was really fucked

[plush basin]

On R4B2 with extreme there is the security zone going down hill, it has 2 scouts and a class 4 or so alarm

[solemn wigeon]

Truly a bulkhead moment

[atomic escarp]

I mean think about R4A3 Overload

[nocturne flax]

i would take those scout triggers in r4b2 like a champ and just pull that alarm kekw

[atomic escarp]

It had enough sec doors to avoid forward spawn (aside from last zone IIRC)

So I guess devs knew it'd happen

[real moss]

It had no forward spawn there tho. There was 2 sec Doors and a blood door

[atomic escarp]

Then again A3 was in ext

[plush basin]

Oh sure, it was hard, and you could get screwed by rng but I feel like the worst case isn't as bad as in R4B2. But maybe this just highlights an overreliance on cfoam-mines

[nocturne flax]

thank god they're not doing random spawns on error alarms anymore

right?

[plush basin]

Sorry, maybe I mean Overload. I'm thinking of an early part of the level that you need for main after starting the error alarm

[solemn wigeon]

Where the tank into mother error

[nocturne flax]

I had never used cfoam and mines in b2, only bio and sentries

[nocturne flax]

nah like, you would get a guarantee spawn inside overload everytime

[real moss]

Ah yes you are right in the overload it was possible

[nocturne flax]

it was literally 2 strikers every like 15 seconds

i think

and no wave sound roar

[plush basin]

Uhhh this doesn't sound right to me

[nocturne flax]

you that foward spawn was silent and new people didnt even knew

[plush basin]

I remember like 4 strikers every 30 with roars

[solemn wigeon]

Nah

[nocturne flax]

r4a2??

[solemn wigeon]

It was fewer

[plush basin]

I'm still talking about b2

[nocturne flax]

oh b2 was 4 strikers

[solemn wigeon]

Oh, b2 poopy

[nocturne flax]

im talking about a2

[plush basin]

Yeah for A2 you're probably right

[prisma zodiac]

a2 with no roars :^ )

[atomic escarp]

I think it was that with a chance of a shooter every once in a while

or something like that (for A2)

[prisma zodiac]

we open door
scout goes balistic

???

[nocturne flax]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-young-question-mark-huh-what-confused-gif-4995479

everybody be like

[obtuse surge]

all those levels will just be aids with the current stamina implementation

[feral token]

how people remember old levels

i dont remember any R6 levels

[gray steeple]

I heard the name scout

[feral token]

how do you guys remember R4

[plush basin]

I forget the A and B tiers from R2 and R3 but I think I recall everything else since R1

[nocturne flax]

dont worry me neither

[feral token]

glad im not alone

[gray steeple]

Everybody gangsta until you see a scouts bare ass waltzing in front of the objective door

[real moss]

good memory ofc

[obtuse surge]

they simply can't make a fun level that includes moving around a lot anymore

[nocturne flax]

i dont even remember what A1 was in r6

[obtuse surge]

💀

[feral token]

the got damn uh

the uh

rock

in the tube

[digital dawn]

The first level 🙂

[obtuse surge]

digsite

[plush basin]

smh

[feral token]

i think it was an A tier

[nocturne flax]

shieeeeeeeeeeeet

[feral token]

the levels i remember are R1 and R2 E1

and maybe R3 D1

everything else is lost

[plush basin]

Which R1 level had all shooters ❓

[feral token]

B2

[plush basin]

noice

[subtle vault]

B2 the officer

Fun times

[obtuse surge]

they should do that again

[feral token]

which level is the only level in fucking existence that has partial decoders

[subtle vault]

C2

[plush basin]

R1C2

[feral token]

yep

[subtle vault]

Funny charger guys

[obtuse surge]

[feral token]

so i still have a shitty pic as the wiki image

from jacksepticeyes video

[subtle vault]

Lol

[feral token]

literally malding

[nocturne flax]

R1E1: the crib

[feral token]

🤨

spoilers

[nocturne flax]

r2e1: digsite

[feral token]

oh yeah, i can use this sticker now

[subtle vault]

No baby

[feral token]

sad

[nocturne flax]

r4d1:bianhua

[plush basin]

what are you doing my man

[feral token]

he got the GTFO brain rot

happens once you get past a certain amount of hours

[subtle vault]

What too much gtfo does to a mf

[plush basin]

Maybe he needs to find tool part 54

[feral token]

find the mapper

is that still a meme

does anyone care about it anymore

[plush basin]

It looks pretty but I'm not sure what the point is

[nocturne flax]

r5a1: downwards

[digital dawn]

Maybe it won't be once you reach R7F7 and unlock it 👀

[feral token]

oh no how did you know
/s

itd be funnier if i didnt need to do the /s

[plush basin]

whats your ideal rundown body type?

[digital dawn]

No hope smh

[turbid cliff]

dog enemy inc

[obtuse surge]

[subtle vault]

That’s going to be fun if that’s actually a new enemy

[half hornet]

Now that's a proper leak

Side note: absolutely disgusting

[subtle vault]

Oh I do not know it was a gif lol

[half hornet]

Is the model placeholder or not?

Could be just a slightly different striker variation

[subtle vault]

Probably placeholder. It could be a new animation for them

[nocturne flax]

Man, im tripping

hopefully an actual new enemy

[queen field]

Ah yes

a twerking sleeper

Definitely what i needed

😳

[subtle vault]

A sleep that crawls on the walls and ceiling 😳

[half hornet]

That crossed my mind too

That could totally be a ceiling animation

[subtle vault]

Watch it just be a crawling charger

And that’s it

[half hornet]

Maybe a new variation of sleepers who sleep topside, so you can't stealth them - they are just there and the only way to get rid of them is to go loud

[subtle vault]

That would make the spear a must need in later levels when they are mixed in with normal sleepers

[half hornet]

If it can even reach

Some ceilings are pretty far away, you know

[subtle vault]

Ya. But I have high hopes the devs can pull it off

[broken scarab]

Spear Extender Tool

[subtle vault]

If it’s a ceiling enemy

Yes

I just noticed Calle that E tier is in the balance and feedback stage

[half hornet]

Yes, he mentioned that before

It's confirmed

[subtle vault]

I just noticed it a few minutes ago

[broken scarab]

E tier is confirmed

[subtle vault]

Ya I saw that. I just quickly looked through the updated roadmap and missed that part

How many E levels tho

[cold epoch]

We can finally launch our spears?

[broken scarab]

Next time I'll note what things I change. Realised that after I pressed Save.

[broken scarab]

Spear Turret

[subtle vault]

😳

[broken scarab]

Auto Spear Turret

[cold epoch]

So basically Anor Londo Archers, noted

[subtle vault]

I’m pretty excited for this rundown. Mostly for the drip though

[mortal portal]

New monke enemy?

[broken scarab]

I am also pretty excited for this rundown.

[subtle vault]

Will this be the rundown that finally adds the snatchers and mapper tool. Toon in a few weeks when it either drops or we get more leaks

[cold epoch]

What about leaks after it drops

[mortal portal]

How much for a 4x4 square where I can build my shack on E1?

[cold epoch]

We never got those

[broken scarab]

You clear the rundown in 4 days. Impossible to leak something 🙂

[cold epoch]

Hahahahaha

[mortal portal]

Leaking the extended after the rundown drops

[subtle vault]

R7.5 adds another E level. Nothing more to talk about

[cold epoch]

Dropping the extended before the rundown

[subtle vault]

Dropping rundown 8 before 7

Never let them know your next move

[mortal portal]

Dropping rundown 9 on April Fool's, so when we load into the game there's only one expedition

[plush basin]

Yes. A rundown with only one level and it takes 4 hours for the best players to complete it

[subtle vault]

Oh boy

[broken scarab]

Love that this a positive thing in GTFO

[wet zealot]

Can we not have digsite as the main tile for E1? Too much of that already

Some more labs and datacenter would be fun to see

[half hornet]

Digsite? Which one is that?

Like A1?

[digital dawn]

Yup

[cold epoch]

It's the only digsite from this rundown right?

[half hornet]

I think so.

[plush basin]

D3 extreme might be digsite? not sure

Not sure what it is if not

[cold epoch]

Good catch

[craggy orbit]

One could call C3ex dig site, even if it’s only one room lmao

[plush basin]

Ah thats true

Everyones favourite fog generator tile

[cold epoch]

That tile in particular was even in R4C3 right?

[craggy orbit]

It’s been used a loooot

At least once per rundown since dig site was added, in R2

[half hornet]

Someone really likes it I guess

[hexed vapor]

It's used often because there are only a handful, 4 iirc, of tiles that can actually hold gen clusters.

Actually, I think only 3 that are properly meant to be used.

Oh yeah, we haven't had an E-tier that didn't feature dig site (or mining in general) or infectious fog.

[manic spire]

floodways E tier:D

[half hornet]

I mean.... It makes sense lore wise, right?

It's the deepest level, the one they were in the process of digging out or just straight up being one big mining facility

Wouldn't make sense to have anything else there

[hexed vapor]

Not necessarily, we have deeper floodways and datacenters.

[half hornet]

Hm...

[hexed vapor]

Admittedly, there are good reasons for this.

Mining is their best complex, and the one you can get the most variety from.

And infection is just a really strong mechanic for forcing players to be careful in certain areas or group up more.

You can't really run through a low elevation area w/out eating 85% infection.

[wet zealot]

I just find the mining levels boring personally

I also just don't want to see oh surprise suddenly Ptank as a "new" enemy

Like I want to see something that would make us say what is that again. Not like "oh, it's this thing"

[manic spire]

Yeah.

I don't mind mines I just like variety.

[wet zealot]

It could be a enemy that sucks in game play mechanics and it would still be cool to me

[half hornet]

I think mining complex looks cool in its own way, but definetely wouldn't want to see too much of it. Personally I'm more into floodways. I like the green hue of it, the closest feeling you get to being outside without teleporting to Destination.

[wet zealot]

I'm more into labs, but since we haven't had a E tier with Labs datacenter or Floodways. I'd like to see that over any mining concepts and see what they try with us

A level like R5C3 we also do need more of

[cold epoch]

The hue in floodways depends on lighting imho

[turbid cliff]

E tiers are big and mining complex is just best fleshed out

[hexed vapor]

I'm a big fan of mining over the research or service complexes, but I also want a varied E-tier.

[wet zealot]

A lot of things need better dynamic lighting. I was hoping to see flickering lights in labs more, but that was ruined :c

[hexed vapor]

I'm opposed to floodways unless the new subcomplex is under service, though.

There's not enough tiles to keep it interesting.

[wet zealot]

Basically

[half hornet]

Floodways is C1 and the like, right?

[hexed vapor]

C1 and D2, yeah.

[cold epoch]

I low key hate flickering lights, but I understand where you're coming from

[half hornet]

CX too, technically

[hexed vapor]

Oh, yeah

[wet zealot]

Flickering lights is amazing

[half hornet]

Seeing actual plants feels like seeing a unicorn in this game

"oh, there's life besides angry meatbags?"

[hexed vapor]

Repetition was a big issue for R2E1, though.

It was basically all dig site

so you had multiple tiles appearing 2-4 times.

[cold epoch]

I don't like flickering because it breaks my focus all the time, to the point I can feel even overwhelmed

But done right I agree it looks and feel good

[manic spire]

l love all the deep industrial levels like floodways and storage.

[wet zealot]

The point of it is to create a psychological effect and worry

It creates a certain atmosphere for new and vet players in different ways is why I'm for it

[cold epoch]

Fair

[shadow crane]

It proper messes up my focus, and I love it for it

[wet zealot]

I will never get that atmosphere of R1 again with that lighting. It has not been done since in my opinion

But more levels that implement that effect would be nice to mess with players. As a introduction to the game it sucks people right in

[shadow crane]

Time for a completely pitch black map

[hexed vapor]

R2E1 tile use: Huge pit 2 times, one down three across 2 times, two-story room 3 times, central trench 2 times, underpass 2 times.

[manic spire]

An E level based around Cx lights out... principle but turned up to 1000. There's so much stuff they could work with there.

Just really messing with people

[wet zealot]

We have had levels where the optionals were great and changed the level to mess with players and we need more like that

[hexed vapor]

A1 and B1 are both so ugly in R6.

Glaring bright lights everywhere.

[manic spire]

That first time the lights go out is so good just because there was no indicator whatsoever and players had to adapt on the fly.

[cold epoch]

R4D2 Extreme comes to mind for me

[manic spire]

Yeah.

[wet zealot]

I think as an introduction you want to sell the game to your players. Part of the appeal is horror in a way, so a introduction to say "hey welcome to GTFO, good luck" while playing with their psychology is important

R1 did that for me personally

[hexed vapor]

R1 was just built different.

[wet zealot]

Yep. R5A2 Extreme as well

Lights turning off. Playing with new players and their reactions. Amazing

[manic spire]

i guess it depends who you're selling too. I think you should put your best foot forward when trying to pull in new players. Give them a hint of how crazy it can get without putting them off.

[wet zealot]

Well like they can make a rundown for new and veteran players

[hexed vapor]

Every rundown needs a content balance.

It's so inconsistent.

[wet zealot]

If their concern is more new players. Create more A tiers with intentions for them to learn "something" and experiment. Not wait until the C or D tier and throw them into the deep end. The vets are expected to reach C or D tier fast

[manic spire]

i don't mind that too much. They should try different things. As long as the inconsistency doesn't affect the actual quality of levels.

[wet zealot]

The checkpoint system created the brute force mentality vs retracing their steps and trying something new

[turbid cliff]

there's only so much you can do with tutorial levels without making every rundown the same

[manic spire]

Yeah A1 and A2 in R5 were both fairly simple except maybe that cluster at the end of A1

[wet zealot]

They can add Tips to the game that can be turned off. They can use the Warden to give in-game notifications and warnings to the player to help guide them

[manic spire]

But honestly I don't think B tier should be just a second A tier.

[wet zealot]

They have other things they could do currently

[hexed vapor]

I mean, I think if you just have a big basket of 10-20 mechanics and you pick 2-3 for an A-tier other than A1, it would be pretty healthy.

[manic spire]

Should be like the average level of difficulty. Then C is hard and D is really hard.

[hexed vapor]

You don't actually need to teach them game mechanics.

You need to teach them to learn game mechanics.

[wet zealot]

If they want to create the concept of beating the rundown is beating the first level of every tier because that's story. That is perfectly fine, they beat the rundown and leave. Okay fair

Everything else is optional, but it should also be told that the other levels are optional and are much harder then

Some people want to beat the rundown and leave and that's okay

[manic spire]

The only problem with that is that it cripples the overall rundown for everyone else by cutting out 4 levels of their proper difficulty. And then A tier and B tier also do that this time.

Then we're left with part of C and D tier.

Not a ton of content.

[mortal portal]

I'm fond of the idea of making more A levels instead of balancing an entire rundown around new players. From my experience most new players play the first 1-3 levels and then dip forever and a few actually become consistent players.

[manic spire]

Although i thought the whole point of optional objectives were to make those easier levels harder for those who wanted it.

[hexed vapor]

Imo, there's probably 3 directions they can go.
1: Create a difficulty spike between B and C tier OR C and D tier.
2: Difficulty increases faster (non-linearly) the further down you go.
3: Difficulty increases linearly, but (nerfed) E-tier is now standard every rundown and F-tier becomes the new super-hardcore tier.

[manic spire]

Just make A tier the story missions?

[wet zealot]

C and Tier has always had that learning curve though. The difference in past rundowns for most people that separated the players. The current C1 and D1 bridged it a bit, but its still that learning curve they need to go through

[manic spire]

Honestly if you don't want to learn the systems of the game you shouldn't be able to do B tier.

[wet zealot]

D tier and E tier is where the expected vets are suppose to be. So now they can try concepts and challenges on the additional levels. They showed us we can have 4 D tiers

[manic spire]

sorry wrong response

[mortal portal]

So A tiers if you wanna just have fun and mess around, but if you wanna get into the lower tiers, you gotta put a bit more effort and dedication.

That way everyone's got a playground to have fun with.

[digital dawn]

I'm assuming they made a story mission in every tier to make it feel more rewarding when players choose to "only" go for the story missions.

[wet zealot]

Some levels concepts we 100% absolutely need. R5C3 perfect example of that, learning to be creative with tool was fun with the lack of ammo at the start. Though you had a ton of tool

[manic spire]

Yeah almost a psychology thing basically. People want to feel as though they got into the hard tiers.

Hot take. I thought R5 B tier was an amazing B tier. Especially B1. That level made me fall in love with this game

My peak new player experience.

[hexed vapor]

I think R4 B-tier was better at having the trappings of being really hard while also not actually being that hard, imo.

[mortal portal]

R5B1 was great (not sure about the big charger error at the end but it was quite fun if you're acquainted with them).

[manic spire]

But A tier could have a been a little easier.

[wet zealot]

R5 was a not a bad rundown honestly. It had a lot going for it, the learning curve was really steep though from A tier

[manic spire]

That's how you get acquainted! :D

[mortal portal]

Extreme was such an anticlimactic objective though

[manic spire]

Honestly the jump from A-B wasn't too bad. it was more the jump from B-C

[hexed vapor]

Maybe it was good, I'm mostly looking at the numbers and how R4 was a massive spike in growth and R5 wasn't really.

[hexed vapor]

Is reflected in the stats, actually.

[manic spire]

Me and a lot of other players were stuck for so long

What is?

[wet zealot]

Numbers wise. I dont think we had much publicity for it in itself. A lot of players were waiting for 1.0 originally

[half hornet]

I did, yeah.

[digital dawn]

Player number changes can have other reason than the "quality" of the game.

[manic spire]

But I mean shouldn't there be a jump in difficulty for every tier? And it probably gets more extreme as it goes?

[digital dawn]

But sure they are related to some degree

[wet zealot]

B to C had a gap, but S1 at the start of C1 is tough to hold for players

[mortal portal]

I just want more optional objectives

[half hornet]

Why

They are pain

[digital dawn]

More R5B1 Ex?👀

[hexed vapor]

C1 is a massive cut in WR, is the main thing.

[mortal portal]

I feel like the balance of optional sectors in R5 was pretty good imo.

[hexed vapor]

^

They actually figured out what they were doing.

[mortal portal]

Plenty of replayability.

[manic spire]

I think R6A1 is bad mainly because it walks you through every step of the puzzle solving terminal stuff:( Otherwise I'm really fine with where it is. it's more complicated then difficulty.

[wet zealot]

I felt that they knew what was going on. I know R4 it's obvious they were experimenting and trying to get data for the future so they tried a lot so it's given a pass for me. R5 they refined it

[mortal portal]

I've seen people getting stuck on A1 because they didn't read any of the warden texts

So they're there wondering what to do

[wet zealot]

My only problem obviously was level lengths even as a vet

[hexed vapor]

Hey, been a thing since R1.

Literally no idea what to do because they never read objectives.

[manic spire]

Getting stuck on the game because you refuse to learn how to play is not the games fault.

[mortal portal]

Not saying that.

[manic spire]

We have to cater to those people know?

[mortal portal]

Just that it's interesting

[wet zealot]

Its kinda why I say it's okay to have tips as an optional thing in game to help the players. Or have the Warden relay messages down to the prisoners during the level

[hexed vapor]

I don't think there's anything GTFO can really do for people w/ no agency.

[manic spire]

This isn't the game for them in that case.

[hexed vapor]

Some people just can't function in this game's environment.

[manic spire]

it ruins the fun problem solving though. if you offer an easy option where you don't have to think much... players will pick it.

most of them at least.

figuring out the terminal for the first time was another of this games top moments.

[half hornet]

Obscurity is a healthy thing in good doses, but some things have to be explained or people will simply not catch on on what the game is even about.

Just the basics.

[wet zealot]

I think its fine. They need a condition for it to pop up in the first place though

[mortal portal]

Some people don't even know what they're getting into, they straight up don't read the steam page

[half hornet]

Some kind of universal rundown tutorial levels could help a lot. Or just a mandatory tutorial mission on first launch you must beat before gaining access to rundown and playing for real.

[mortal portal]

Tutorial speedrun

[half hornet]

That's what warframe did, for example. And people are still confused after it anyway... Sigh.

[wet zealot]

We have lots of potential options to play with still for the game. I'm not even against a perk system if they went that route either honestly. I read a lot of people want a class system or similar fashion

[hexed vapor]

Blegh

[dreamy bramble]

would rather have a decently designed perk system than boosters lol

[wet zealot]

Yes it does ruin some things for the game and I agree. But I'm not against if they went that direction as a character customization for playstyle purposes

[mortal portal]

Honestly a perk system would make the levels rely on your perk build instead of your skill.

[half hornet]

Yeah...

[wet zealot]

It depends. The core of the game never changes

[half hornet]

Boosters just need a better UI, that's all

[dreamy bramble]

not if levels are designed and balanced around the theoretical system

[mortal portal]

Which is the case in Payday, no matter how good you are at it, if you don't have the level and the build, you won't survive DSOD.

[half hornet]

Even dark souls learned to get away from single row lists after first game

[dreamy bramble]

i don't really have faith in the devs to balance a system like that tho

[manic spire]

I think it isn't :P Here's how it should go. The objective just gives basic info along the lines of "Gather information about the location of terminal_69" So you walk around and stumble upon the terminal. You go into it and see that there's a help command that it recommends. You type it and figure out that you need to bring up a list of commands in order to continue and know what to do. You bring up the list of commands and read through them and when you read the "query" description it says that it "displays detailed information about an object" You think back to your Objective and remember that you are supposed to gather info about the location of your terminal so maybe this will help. You type in and viola! You know the zone number. zone_420 You start walking around until you find a door that says 421 this way. So you go a different route until you find one that says 420 this way. Now you're on the right track!

You see!

isn't that sooo much more interesting then A1 currently is?

[mortal portal]

I just want Clear a Path back

[manic spire]

Just type in what i tell you to

[mortal portal]

I wanna survive a Class 7+ alarm again

[manic spire]

come on you child "go to the terminal" yay now type in this exact command. Don't wanna make you figure out how the system actually works with verbs and objects having different meanings.

My biggest pet peeve is when people but underscores linking commands to objects.

it just shows they clearly don't understand how the system works at all.

[hexed vapor]

Spaces to separate commands or arguments, underscores to continue a command or argument.

[manic spire]

They just type is what is told to them. Not thinking about what or why or anything.

Yeah.

[half hornet]

And who the fuck knows that without some kind of it background ?

[mortal portal]

Or people straight up refusing to learn terminals and leaving that role to someone else. Then they get to C-D tier without even knowing how a terminal works

[hexed vapor]

I mean, I think if you get them over the hump, they might eventually go back and revisit the system.

[manic spire]

Anyone who knows programming would figure that out instantly but even if you didn't... it just makes common sense.

[half hornet]

programming
common sense

I feel like that can't be correct...

[mortal portal]

Some people don't even know this community exists.

[hexed vapor]

I've always found programming, at least the very basics, to be extremely intuitive, so I mean...

[manic spire]

You need a way to separate multi-word objects and you don't want to confuse them with different separate commands or objects.

[hexed vapor]

And the terminal kind of already gives you example commands.

[manic spire]

there's no other way you could really do multi word objects like Matter_wave_projector

[half hornet]

I don't know if it'd been discussed before, but I don't think this game is for low IQ people. Like I have decent reasons to believe is that people below 3 digits might have massive issues with this game, especially once the terminals are involved.

[wet zealot]

Im old. I still use List E_72 lol

[manic spire]

it really is common sense

[half hornet]

Like, thats a LOT of info, actually.

[dreamy bramble]

?

[half hornet]

I'm serious. There has to be a wall somewhere out there.

[hexed vapor]

P much. Not sure how it maps, though, so I usually just say "agency." You need to be creative enough to come up with your own ideas, experiment, and learn the game systems independent of outside input.

[dreamy bramble]

idk if it's anywhere near as complicated as you're making it out to be

[manic spire]

I mean i don't mean to set anything in stone for anyone I don't know what iq actually equates to in terms of problem solving. But yes you should have to smart and good at problem solving.

[dreamy bramble]

there's literally 3 relevant commands to learn, and they are fairly straighforward

[hexed vapor]

If you can't do that...
-You'll die repeatedly and quit.
-You'll get carried eventually.
-You'll find agency.

[manic spire]

Yeah I wish there were more:(((

Well not counting uplink and reactor stuff

[mortal portal]

Buddy, I have ADHD, I have a lot of difficulty processing info, I'm bad at decision making, I get anxious pretty often, I have awful orientation, I don't have the best social skills, and somehow here I am, beat Rundown 5 and 6, still playing the game, and getting better every day.

It was a hard journey but I managed, it just takes time to learn things.

[manic spire]

Hey you're better than me... That R5E1....

[half hornet]

ADHD is a little bit different thing from IQ. Somewhat... How's your IT background?

[obtuse surge]

BX

[hexed vapor]

Every alt extraction is a clear path, actually

[subtle vault]

What’s going on?

[hexed vapor]

FR, though, clear a path is alt extraction but literally no objectives.

[mortal portal]

Class X alarm when?

[manic spire]

But for real... @half hornet What I said here. The programming elements are very straight forward.

[half hornet]

Random discussions, nothing specisl

[obtuse surge]

but bx is literally that objective

they just locked the door

[hexed vapor]

I mean, that sounds like agency to me.

[manic spire]

Me too man me too😅

[hexed vapor]

No agency to me is the sort of person that is unable or unwilling to figure out how to reach an objective w/out some kind of roadmap as to how to get there.

[half hornet]

I believe that there is a point when it "clicks" is when it becomes easy.
It's breaking that point that's the issue. Pushing onwards until you get it. It's a small push in comparison, but I imagine there's people out there who can't manage even that.

Like... I can't teach my mother what a "browser" is. Couldn't for years now. And shes not stupid - it just doesn't click for her, at all.

[obtuse surge]

cope

[manic spire]

I imagine so too. And i honestly wish those people the best. But I don't want to change this game which I like a to to become something else.

i agree my mom could also never figure out Gtfo

[half hornet]

Can agree with that.

Gatekeeping is good, actually.

[manic spire]

but that's okay.

[obtuse surge]

my mom literally bhopping rn

[half hornet]

I guess yeah, agency sounds best here.

[mortal portal]

Me and my dad at 9 am going for a morning long kiting jog on Floodways

[half hornet]

Difference between playing casually or letting it consume your soul and mind until you have dreams about it

I had nightmares about playing Phoenix Point...

[mortal portal]

Team Fortress be like

[obtuse surge]

my dad solo R4E1 but he doesn't know how to record

[manic spire]

Be consumed by the holy gtfo fire.

One of us. one of us

[half hornet]

Getting there for sure, although D still terrifies me. There only so many sticks in my ass I can tolerate.

Especially the ones I can't see...

Actually I just want to grind out the cosmetics

[hexed vapor]

But does it come every night without fail?

[half hornet]

But I actually just can't

I have no idea how to beat C3 secondary, have no idea how it looks like and I don't want to listen to some YouTuber explaining it to me

I tried inserting "list cell" into that first spawn terminal though.

And it did found some...

So that's interesting.

Does Warden even mentions it, BTW?

[subtle vault]

About the cells?

And finding them?

[half hornet]

Secondary in general

He's dead quiet

[subtle vault]

The warden does not really say anything when you do an optional objective

[half hornet]

Hm.

He at least mentions their existence.

Like B2 bulkhead choice moment.

C3 does it for overload but...

I don't remember seeing a secondary choice

[subtle vault]

The secondary bulkhead hub is later in the level

[nocturne flax]

Man, flickering lights are cool in stealth levels that are short, but then you put them on long levels and you have eye strain and headaches :)

[half hornet]

Wha~

There's ANOTHER bulkhead hub choice?

Am I just unlucky that everyone goes for the overload one or what?

[wet zealot]

I dont expect levels to be more than an hour on tiers below D personally. An hour and a half tops

[obtuse surge]

ppl just wanna do everything most the time

[wet zealot]

So like the flickering lights then would be fun in specific areas

[obtuse surge]

the flickering lights in stealth hurt instantly for me

pls no

[half hornet]

I thought D3 orange room was fine

Very smooth flickering, no headache

[nocturne flax]

Its "immersive" tho
Totally not a health issue

[subtle vault]

Built diff

[half hornet]

Can barely call it flickering though...

[wet zealot]

Just have Dragon bail you out :)

[nocturne flax]

Do red lighting and flickering lights

R5e1 moment

[half hornet]

Oh fuck no please

[wet zealot]

But lights that fade in and out is a better description

[half hornet]

I immediately wanted to vomit just imagining that

Make it blue! Just make it blue!

[wet zealot]

Having the idea or scene of a scout walking under a light that's fading in and out and then suddenly the moving enemy is gone is nice

[half hornet]

(spoilers: I hate red)

[nocturne flax]

New stealth mechanics? Something horror like?

We dont do that here

🤌 ❤️

[wet zealot]

Yo exactly. We definitely couldn't effect people's psychology or create tension amongst the level

[nocturne flax]

Best i can do its go crrrrr and turn yellow within 12 meters

Stealth truly needs something

[half hornet]

Does it?

[manic spire]

You do overload first btw.

[half hornet]

What do we have right now?

[nocturne flax]

Hammer shit on the back of the head simulator?

[hallow lark]

What do u mean needs something?

It’s already a bit terrifying to stealth around enemies

[nocturne flax]

For 2 years straight, yeeaahh i want something else to spicr things up

[half hornet]

Red light green light.... Some bonking... Scouts sometimes... MAYBE glowsticks ...

Hmmm.

[hallow lark]

Do Stealth soundless then

[half hornet]

Metro style broken glass on the floor that makes noise?

[nocturne flax]

???

[hallow lark]

Turn off ALL sounds and go for it

[nocturne flax]

Do not force your disability on me

[hallow lark]

Hehehe

[nocturne flax]

[hallow lark]

I just call it the Soundless Challenge

[half hornet]

I noticed

Thats all you ever talk about

[nocturne flax]

Anything that brings something new and interesting

[hallow lark]

Sorry, I’m still hyped on victory energy from D1 that I did

[half hornet]

Guessed as much

[hallow lark]

Sorry about that

[nocturne flax]

The new melees only change the speed that you clear the room

[half hornet]

... Why is my battery 26%? Discord is not that performance heavy, is it?

[hallow lark]

Hmm… not really no

[nocturne flax]

Number 1 battery killer

Check your brightness

[mossy marsh]

turn off your phone

[hallow lark]

Lol

[nocturne flax]

I meam yeah lmao

That works

[half hornet]

I actually should. I'm technically at work right now.

But nobody's calling so...

[hallow lark]

Have a safe day at work

[half hornet]

I'm fucking bored out of my mind.

[nocturne flax]

Boss makes a dollar
I make a dime
Thats why i use phone in company time!

[hallow lark]

I’m about to start mine…. Grocery retail bleh….

[nocturne flax]

Wear your ppe

[half hornet]

I almost forgot about this message... Are you saying that you can't do secondary without doing overload?
Or is that just what people do?

[manic spire]

No you can do secondary without overload... Just if you do do overload it has to be first.

[nocturne flax]

Doing overload first its better because you can finish extreme before the fog rises

[half hornet]

Because I did overload already and don't care for PE, I just need my cosmetic box checked.

[manic spire]

isn't there a cosmetic for PE?

[half hornet]

I don't think so, because there is no checkbox for it.

It does have "0/2" but no progress UI like the rest.

[manic spire]

Okay Then it'll be easy secondary bulkhead is in the zone right before the class 1 alarm.

Be warned it's harder then overload I'd say.

which is weird.\

[manic spire]

That's dumb there should be one.

[half hornet]

I honestly have no idea what overload was about

[manic spire]

Weirdly easy right?

[half hornet]

Defend some crampy room for 3 minutes

Then it just carries on

[hexed vapor]

W8, have you not lived long enough?

[half hornet]

Weird...

[manic spire]

One scan and then stealth past a tank?

Well I believe it adds tank spawns to the waves later in the level.

[half hornet]

I don't know because people effectively did it for me. I was just trying to keep up the pace with the squad and not miss my shots.

[hexed vapor]

How far in have you gone after beating Overload?

[half hornet]

I had C3 beaten with overload if that says anything.

[hexed vapor]

Oh, so you have had runs where you fought the tanks.

Yeah, normally those don't spawn.

[half hornet]

Mostly because I begged them to secure the checkpoint scan.

I know there are more doors in that large room, but my previous teams always died behind those doors

C3 is pretty fun in its own way, but jesus christ the failure rate on it is high

Most wipes occur before the timer hits 10:00

[manic spire]

what wipes you? just being overwhelmed?

Tip: use allll the mines

[half hornet]

I think so. Just lots of strikers dancing all around me and kissing my ass in a very unfriendly way

Squad gets caught in some corridor or another

[hexed vapor]

PuGs can be kind of bad at looting efficiently.

Which kills people.

[nocturne flax]

Mine deployer moment

[manic spire]

Honestly theres so much loot.

You can still leave half of it and not want for anything.

[half hornet]

I think maybe people rush too much?

The common strategy seems to be just sprint to the motion sensors door and open that before the horde starts

Open any lockers in the way, but don't actually search for any.

[hexed vapor]

If you do PE, you do want to be fast.

[manic spire]

if you do overload and ex that's not possible. But if you rush on main that's death

[hexed vapor]

But there are places you have to hunker down anyway, so you should always loot those spots.

[manic spire]

good for PE but not main.

[hexed vapor]

For the most part, always open storage you see, always carry lock melters, but don't go out of your way to search for boxes and lockers that aren't readily available unless you're not needed at that time or you're doing Main only.

[manic spire]

Use doors efficiently. You should be able to deal with 2/3 waves in the level with just mines and doors.

Honestly I'd say it'd be one the easiest levels to solo on main.

Cause just mine every wave.

[hexed vapor]

It's actually quite hard true solo.

Looting solo just takes so long.

[half hornet]

Oh jee, you think

[hexed vapor]

And you can only carry ammo or tool, not both.

[manic spire]

Maybe. it can't be harder then the D levels.

[hexed vapor]

It's def not that bad.

But it's hard.

[half hornet]

So... Should I just try doing it with bots or something? Get shit going my own pace?

[manic spire]

just fill up and go. You'll always find more.

[hexed vapor]

If you wanna do main only, I can volunteer to be mine slave.

[half hornet]

Oh, on that note.

[manic spire]

I'd say no but I cant stand bots. v just feel like humans are so much better

[half hornet]

What weapons are best for bots?

[hexed vapor]

BR + MG

[half hornet]

BR?

[hexed vapor]

Burst Rifle

[half hornet]

And why MG?

They can use it effectively?

I come from titanfall 2 and after experiencing the joy that is Legion in auto-mode....

[hexed vapor]

Bots do well with weapons that take a long time to mag dump and have lots of ammo.

[half hornet]

(spoilers: he's literally useless)

[hexed vapor]

And things like recoil and spread aren't a factor.

[half hornet]

Hm

Because I was doing the opposite

[hexed vapor]

On the flip side, scattergun and sniper are the absolute worst options.

[half hornet]

I gave them all DMR + HAR

[manic spire]

cool game I just didn't love most of the enemy ai.

[hexed vapor]

HAR is also good, it plays similar to MG.

[half hornet]

They love to shoot things from a mile a way so I thought I gear them up to be long range killers to enhance that habit of theirs

[hexed vapor]

But MG is better for general use and is just all-around stronger w/ bot aim bot.