gtfo-spoiler-chat

[fierce laurel]

gl

[fallen badger]

yeah bots don't cover that well at that point sadly

[fierce laurel]

mmhm

[fallen badger]

turned around to 5 chargers

are all the codes in that room, or does it send you to the side rooms at any point

got to 3/5 before we wiped

[craggy orbit]

Nah, it’s all sent to the same terminal

It’s basically a “the visor display failed, so it’s linking to that one terminal instead”

[bold widget]

List Zone_69

[reef finch]

U could also use checkpoint to just defend one door

But that’s cheese so idk if u wanna go down that route

[worldly cargo]

there's also a potential to bug out your terminals

which means you do the entire level over again, or while the host does 2 terminals by themselves

[kind swan]

desync :/

[jolly perch]

1.0 game i fear

[kind swan]

other way to bug terminal is if one person keeps trying to enter and exit while the other trolls by constantly going in and out of the terminal area

will say this bug prevents checkpoint fixes/ leave and join back fixes

literally ruins run

[cloud ibex]

how many damage the tripmine does ?

[royal lichen]

~100

[candid pelican]

Boom boom amount of damage

[royal lichen]

not enuff to 1shot giants w/o boosters, also dmg falloff begins at ~10m or so

might be 15

[cloud ibex]

i heard it about 120

[royal lichen]

consumable a little less iirc, launcher da bomb da bomb

[candid pelican]

Boom boom go brrrr

Remember when mines were shit

Me too

[royal lichen]

only played r5- , deployer mines were and still are op

unless hybridy shadow bigboys that run under the giant minetraps, warranted some shenanigans

[turbid cliff]

15-50 actually I think

100 was ff numbers

[royal lichen]

thanks storm, all i know is: one mine weakens g's, 2 mines kills em, 1 mine aggr trp-d boosted will kill g(s)

[kind swan]

15-50

why do yall think it takes 2 mines to kill a charger scout

charger hp 60

[turbid cliff]

I don't understand the second part but the first only works if the mine gets a headshot

[kind swan]

aggressive mine dmg booster

[turbid cliff]

Ah

[kind swan]

which is typically 30%+ ?

maybe more

[turbid cliff]

I don't use boosters i wouldn't know

[kind swan]

I only use Glowstick powers

so same

:v

but techincally speaking

you would need at least 20% mine damage

for charger scunts

assuming they are within maximum damage range of the mine

[arctic kindle]

id say easiest way is just to c foam the scout and then melee, or shoot

[kind swan]

tru

or just double chad timed melee

which I've only seen once before

[arctic kindle]

can be tough sometimes

since they are faster thna usual scouts

[next rapids]

orr

you bring aggressive steroids booster and solo all the charger scouts like a chad

[royal lichen]

charger scout closeby moving away, 2 players 3 2 1 charge, sprint towards him, scout stops and feels due to sprint, catch up, double-bonk its back. then enjoy vc latency and a pissed off scout 😄

[kind swan]

me who wants sawed off to have a faster RoF so I can kill Charger scouts with it

[hexed vapor]

Double melee is pretty consistent, just hard to learn.

Caller needs to compensate for latency.

[cloud ibex]

Latency make it hard to kill a charger scout with hammer. Make it more safe by 4 player hammer it at the same time, not 2. It works for me everytime

[obtuse surge]

have host get 2nd hit and it shouldn't fail unless your host is literally stoned

timeframe large enough for the host to hit once he visually sees the hit from the other player

does not apply the other way around due to latency

and the reason its a huge issue the other way is because your latency counts twice

you'll see the host hit delayed and then your hit will register delayed as well

[candid dragon]

Better yet, have 2 people not host do it

3 people, excluding host is probably safer than 4

[obtuse surge]

host is safer tho

the host just needs to know not to hit before others

there is simply no latency

the only delay is human reaction time

[mortal granite]

yo

r5 stat

[cloud ibex]

R5D1

[normal stump]

r5d1 mom hunting

[queen field]

What in the absolute fuck

R5C1 2.3% ?

[mortal portal]

Funny stealth room giving a hard time

[nocturne flax]

What respawn blocking does to a mf

[mortal portal]

What perma-foaming a door during 10 uplink codes does to a mf

[mortal granite]

what circle kite does to a mf

[timber crypt]

hey guys just wanted to check for D3, is it advisable to do overload first? or would it be better if it is done after the main objective is completed

[mortal granite]

overload -> high -> extreme

[timber crypt]

gotcha

[kind swan]

you could do High > Overload > Extreme but that means you will be striped for time in the Overload portion

but High / Extreme will be easier

High = No Fog / Extreme = no time limit

[royal lichen]

do u have to let the 15min+ surge "start" for the deactivate_all_alarms to cancel it?

[kind swan]

no

[royal lichen]

good to know, thanks.. so anywhere before surge just deact and no surge

[kind swan]

you'd rather do it before because that surge spawn will fuck u up

[royal lichen]

yeah no way to keep 25 dudes outta barracks

... says a skilless noob

[kind swan]

one run I did this. they spawned on me during tank room

just random 5 strikers came out of the darkness

[royal lichen]

we yesterday had both a small wakeup in barracks and doors bsuted and mobs from east.. but by a miracle, tanks and hybes didn't wakeup

[velvet flower]

If you intent to deactivate the 15 minute surge alarm, you have to wait until the surge started then you can put in the command.

[royal lichen]

that was my impression too, why would a deact_ turn off a timer to an alarm etc

[hexed vapor]

It depends on if the surge is an alarm that triggers on completion with a very long initial delay or if it's triggered by an event after 15 minutes.

This dictates whether or not the alarm is considered active, and thus is shut off by the command.

[royal lichen]

not planning on using said method tho, and finding out the surge begins anyway, not a nice way to end the long run :)

[normal stump]

i guess it depends on whether you mind wiping or not

at this point i am unfazed by wiping

just rinse and repeat

try again

thats how most things are tested/explored anyways

[royal lichen]

yeh go at it again, dodging the past bullets.. thats the game..

[fierce laurel]

I wonder if they could also post stats of how many people who attempted it were able to beat it

that would serve as an interesting insight too

oh wait someone suggested that right before me 😔

pain

[sacred flame]

Oh my god it’s dusk the legendary gtfo player who makes questionable decisions that throws the runs

[fierce laurel]

oi

[sacred flame]

Hyped up

[plush basin]

Omg maybe dusk will notice me

[fierce laurel]

I'm here to throw your games

[plush basin]

Hooray! 🙌

[fierce laurel]

[jolly perch]

fun fact

last night, for about 20 minutes, GTFO was at ~138 players

while late at night in UTC is the least amount of players (~11pm UTC is the hour where the rates drop highly), this is the first major drop in more than 2 weeks

[hexed vapor]

This doesn't really mean anything.

[jolly perch]

I know it doesnt, its just interesting how it majorly dropped last night imo

[hexed vapor]

Steam was having some major issues last night, which meant that a lot of online functionality for a number of games, not just GTFO, wasn't working.

[jolly perch]

ohhhh

ok that makes more sense lmao

[hallow lark]

XD lol

@fierce laurel I think we may have a questionable challenge between you and me. You throw games with questionable decisions…. I busted wipes with not hearing the monsters

[fierce laurel]

I throw on purpose

you throw because you cant help it

we are not the same.

[hallow lark]

XD

[silent kettle]

dusk noob?

truly unfortunate

[fierce laurel]

shuf

[hallow lark]

Lol! XD

Hmm… I wonder

1.5 months ago, I met someone who tried to throw out D1 run right outta the gate and I tried my best to rein that player in

He/she left once we made it to reactor

[obtuse surge]

pls feed ulf a lot so he can fix the networking

[marble rampart]

Hi guys, just quick question. Due to scheduling conflicts my party hasn’t been together for a while and were picking up where we left but.. which level would you recommend is the easiest? C2/C3/CX ? And what loadout?

[half hornet]

If only I could remember what C2 is about... Oh right, the first spitter encounter.

IMHO CX is the easiest, then C2 then C3

C3 is a 30 minutes gun-blazing survival against unending hordes where you continue pushing deeper into the map just so that you could find more ammo.

Even without going for secondary objectives the shit is brutal. Just bring all the firepower you can.

[marble rampart]

Ooh I remember I tried running it with the bots. I didn’t run for long.

[royal lichen]

c2 is not too hard except extreme is cringe

[half hornet]

Yeah.

[royal lichen]

cx piss easy except extreme

[half hornet]

I honestly don't remember anything about c2

Was that the one with lots of fog and that one fog island scan

[royal lichen]

c2 cells fog rise, birther scouts fog blooddoor

extreme 3 hybrid error carry cargo cell (turb)

c3 main only was tough. just be smart with waves and the class 1 on cp door, stacking waves on cp activation no fun

[half hornet]

My memory is seriously failing me

All I remember is the cringe secondary

C3 is kinda fun though

Except for the part that you are very likely to die doing it

It took me like a dozen random pub attempts

We kept dying on 25th minute without the checkpoint

The winning team FINALLY decided to secure the CP

3-4 extra attempts and we did it

Zero health, zero ammo, zero tools, just standing in extraction zone praying to not get sniped at the last second

[royal lichen]

sounds about right :)

[obtuse cedar]

sounds like a pub 🙂

C3 is all about time management and how to use the layout of the map in your advantage in simple terms

the longer explanation would be : knowing when to loot, when to hold, when to push through (aka when to leave an area even if there are still resources), how to use mines properly by analysing spawn mechanic, knowing where they will spawn depending of where you are (2nd half of analysing spawn mechanic)

[worldly cargo]

if you do PE you should have too much resource to use

[obtuse cedar]

Same for high

Nothing prevents you from opening extreme and get access to 3 more zones with 2 of them being full of resources

[half hornet]

Are you talking about the tank room?

That's where majority of my squads died

We couldn't quite get the doubleteam sideshack going

[obtuse cedar]

That is overload

Extreme is cells

You don't lose anything by opening extreme

Legit no downsides

[obtuse surge]

i find that to be false 😄

more areas for people to get lost

worse places to hold

[half hornet]

I suddenly realized I've never seen C3 secondary

Only overload

Something to do, I guess...

[obtuse cedar]

The places to hold do not change ... It is still straight lines overall

[obtuse surge]

factually incorrect

[half hornet]

Enough range for sniper sentry to do Lords works?

[obtuse surge]

if im in a different zone

i think it means im in a different zone

[obtuse cedar]

It still is a 1 way defense in a straight line. You always have a straight line not far

[obtuse surge]

still just wrong

the scan at bulkhead dc is a bad place to be

the dead ends are a bad place to be because it means spawns in front of you when heading back

the dark zones are a bad place to be

[obtuse cedar]

Oh no 15 seconda in a room. Whatever will we do!!!

[obtuse surge]

possibly wipe

you said no downsides so i listed some

if you think they don't matter much it still don't mean they don't exist

[obtuse cedar]

You can HEAR the wave spawn. You know they are coming. Just react to it. It is the SAME concept used in the whole levels

Adapt accordingly

[obtuse surge]

literally most C3 wipes are bad place at a bad time

and that advice just doesn't work lol

you're still gonna fight them in a possibly worse spot

also some serious bullshit when there's layouts where the enemies will spawn within tongue range

[obtuse cedar]

Just find one easy spot to defend. Hold until you need to scavenge. Go to a scavenge zone. Hold 1 wave and grab your resources. Proceed to go back to your original easy spot to hold

[obtuse surge]

it really does matter where you are at which time..

[obtuse cedar]

But you will get those spawns anyway even if you do high only lol

[obtuse surge]

yeh but in different places

you get to avoid some bad rooms

[obtuse cedar]

What bad rooms?

[obtuse surge]

dark places

foggy places

dead ends

[obtuse cedar]

There is no fog in 2 of those zones

[obtuse surge]

there is fog when grabbing the bulkhead key depending on rng of where it spawns for u

[obtuse cedar]

You KNOW you opened extreme so you know they are dead ends

[obtuse surge]

there is fog on the scan at the dc

doesn't matter how fast u are

it's already there after the door unlock

[obtuse cedar]

Not true

Actually not true

[obtuse surge]

it is true

[obtuse cedar]

The fog rise at 15:30. That when the bottom zone of bulkhead dc starts to get filled

[obtuse surge]

it is literally impossible to grab the key without any infection if it spawn in the bottom of that zone

[obtuse cedar]

The door opens at 20

You have a whole 4:30 min to find the key and do the scan

[obtuse surge]

the fog already rise before that tho

it's just poorly set up

in a way that it rises and then to some degree goes down again

or rather becomes less intensive again

[obtuse cedar]

Yes but the fog will not reach high enough in that bulkhead key zone until 15:30 on the timer

[obtuse surge]

i dont think thats right

[obtuse cedar]

15:30 is when you start getting very slow infection

[obtuse surge]

it also doesn't make sense that you'd go out of your way to get those resources without doing the same for previous resources

and if you are doing the same for previous resources, you won't be that fast

[obtuse cedar]

There is only 2 zones worth looting in the 1st part of the lvl high only

The 2nd zone (before blood door) and the one with bulkhead key...

[obtuse surge]

that's so like

you can't say that

what is "worth"

worth would only be the resources you'll actually need

which in that case none of what you said is relevant

[obtuse cedar]

The 2 zone i said have enough ammo to do a third of the level by itself

Also. The door that leads to the zone of extreme bulkhead opens at 20:00.
The checkpoint door opens at 14:00~
The last door you jave to wait for the timer to be at 0:00

[obtuse surge]

so

why then is it not worth it to grab some of the resources insome zones

if you're gonna wait anyway

[obtuse cedar]

Easier defense past that first door (20:00)

[obtuse surge]

contradiction

[obtuse cedar]

It is a long straight.

[obtuse surge]

YOU KNOW WHERE THE WAVE SPAWNS!!

[obtuse cedar]

Then past the checkpoint door you have another long straight

[obtuse surge]

YOU CAN HEAR THEM!!

[obtuse cedar]

Yeah and?

[obtuse surge]

you can't both agree and disagree with me that it matters what place you are at

[obtuse cedar]

If you ain't in the spot to hold. Just adapt for that wave

[obtuse surge]

[obtuse cedar]

Use your brain

[obtuse surge]

player position only matters when itsuits your argument

😄

[obtuse cedar]

the map is made in a way that will force players to adapt 🤷
but you can MINIMIZE the number of wave that you have to adapt

it's not rocket science

[obtuse surge]

by not going to extra zones

that would be how you'd minimize that

[obtuse cedar]

the extra zone is to make it easier to get BIG packs of resources

[obtuse surge]

make x easier and y harder

[obtuse cedar]

hence you get around the same amount of scavenging time but you will find more resources.

also

by opening those zone. you get access to more doors to mine

🤷

[half hornet]

I feel like my brains melting

This is too deep into the sweat pool

Aim gun, shoot gun, survive

[obtuse surge]

dead ends are really bad because the players will be forced to run against wave spawns to get out of there again

[obtuse cedar]

just mine a door on your way out, kill the wave with it and voila! you are free

such a difficult strategy i know

[obtuse surge]

there isn't always a door

[obtuse cedar]

there is always a door

[obtuse surge]

right

ok

[obtuse cedar]

each of these 3 zones have a door leading to them

[obtuse surge]

let me just close the extreme bulkhead door and mine it

👍

[obtuse cedar]

either inside or just outside of it

[obtuse surge]

you can't always get to the door

[obtuse cedar]

their is a big door to the right outside of that bulkhead THAT WILL NEVER BE USED UNLESS YOU GO IN THAT ZONE TO GO TO EXTREME BULKHEAD

WHAT DO YOU MEAN

[obtuse surge]

that's not realistic for a struggling team

[obtuse cedar]

you are actually acting like a clown right now ngl

[obtuse surge]

you get a wave on your way in

door gets used

wave on your way out

no more door

you're just very unintelligent

[obtuse cedar]

why would you burn that door on your way in

[half hornet]

You mean in the context of mine?

[obtuse surge]

because there's a wave

whatdo you mean

[obtuse cedar]

you can shoot in a straight line

the enemies will spawn at the door of 20:00

it is a massive straight narrow line

[obtuse surge]

that depends on your position

if you're in the side room

they spawn 10m away

[obtuse cedar]

i mentioned time management right

[obtuse surge]

it is not reasonable that a struggling team has noted down when waves will spawn

[obtuse cedar]

just wait for a wave to spawn outside of that side room. kill it. then go in

[obtuse surge]

it's also not reasonable to use that strategy because some waves can come in quick succession

[obtuse cedar]

and?

[obtuse surge]

you cleared the wave

[half hornet]

I'm assuming he implies knowing and timing of the waves

[obtuse surge]

you proceeed

get another wave right on top of u

[obtuse cedar]

you will hear the 2nd wave spawn before you finish clearing the 1st wave

[obtuse surge]

no?

[obtuse cedar]

99% of the time

[obtuse surge]

depends purely on timing

[obtuse cedar]

yes. BECAUSE THEY SPWANED FAR AWAY

[obtuse surge]

no

because you clearedthe first

and already started moving

the 2nd spawns at the bad time

where you've just made it into the sideroom

[obtuse cedar]

i have a feeling that you do no have the map layout burned into your mind like i do.. hence you are not seeing just how far away they spawn from you... though if you were to go in the level you would see 🤷

[obtuse surge]

you can totally say that these things don't matter much but it's absolutely not true that opening extra zones can't have negative consequences

[obtuse surge]

i do know..

ifthey spawn while you're in the sideroom

they will spawn very close

[obtuse cedar]

i have the timing of the waves and the layout burned in... even had the times for the double waves spawns

[obtuse surge]

that's not very true either

because they can actually change

if you were too slow or had too many room enemies at some point

it can get offset quite greatly

even from the start of the game if you pull the blood door at a bad time

[obtuse cedar]

that is why people rush the blood door though

🤷

[obtuse surge]

that's not why

people rush everything because there's a timer on the screen

that is basically the only reason why people rush

[hexed vapor]

Can confirm.

[obtuse cedar]

it is a side effect to rush it. clear it while no enemies are guaranteed to spawn. then go back to loot the previous zone in high only

[hexed vapor]

Main only run, people going as fast as fucking possible.

[kind swan]

[half hornet]

"this is X"
"this is not X"
This is what last 5 minutes of this argument feel like

[hexed vapor]

Meanwhile, I'm resting my eyes at the nearest door waiting for wave to spawn.

[obtuse surge]

if you want main only to be simple, just move through it slowly

avoid the extra dead end zones

so most the time all your spawns will be behind

the exception being the first bulkhead key

and it's a good example because if you're leaving the first bulkhead key zone at a bad time, they can once again spawn right on you

because 2 rooms away if you're in that zone at the sec door

is just that small door right next to you

having to go against spawns is always dangerous

opposed to running away from them

if you grab everything and take a break in those high resource zones

[obtuse cedar]

except that all those dead ends have a straight line where you can just group up and shoot in front of you.. without having enemies flanking you

[obtuse surge]

you'll have enough resources anyway

that's not relevant because that's not what i said

i'm talking about the unfortunate timing

[obtuse cedar]

you said dead ends were dangerous

[obtuse surge]

yes

unless you specifically time it to make sure it cant screw you

[obtuse cedar]

a dead end that has a big long straight line is not dangerous

[obtuse surge]

on your way back

[obtuse cedar]

it is not dangerous

[obtuse surge]

when you're no longer at the end of that long line

but at the front of it

then yes

[hexed vapor]

Pushing into waves takes forever.

[obtuse surge]

Literally nearly all wipes on C3 are exactly this

You're trying to move up and get a really bad spawn

[obtuse cedar]

except that there is plenty of time between wave that are not doubles waves, to push forward

[obtuse surge]

it's that or running out of resources

due to too much rushing

[hexed vapor]

Stopping and clearing wastes a ton of time compared to some people defend, some people push forward.

[obtuse cedar]

there is plenty of time and resources on the map

[obtuse surge]

if you're intentionally sitting and waiting out waves for those dead ends

then once again, you won't be as fast as you were talking about

and you'll have to deal with fog in those optional places

[obtuse cedar]

no you still arrive in time

and 2nd

[hexed vapor]

For PE? If you're getting stuck in dead ends often enough, the infection will eventually get kind of bad.

[obtuse cedar]

you don't need to wait for every wave.

[hexed vapor]

Especially for opening secondary, that's your main time pressure.

[obtuse cedar]

high

[hexed vapor]

Oh, sure, high is piss.

Literally AFK at door.

Fall back

AFK at door

fall back

AFK at door

[kind swan]

[hexed vapor]

fall back

Open box or locker

AFK at door

[kind swan]

Pretty much

[obtuse cedar]

and yet some people are missing out on a lot of resources. because they skip some zones with plenty of resources

so at that point opening extreme is a viable option

[obtuse surge]

if you don't need those zones then dont go there

[sharp merlin]

High has enough resources for high?

Missing out on resources you don't need?

[obtuse surge]

bad design if it's not 😄

why would main not have enough for main

[obtuse cedar]

yes but people rush the first few zones which have a lot of resources and end up later in the level with not enough resources.
the option to open extreme to get even more resources is there to counterack that issue of those people. wesley is just not seeing it that way it seems

[hexed vapor]

Well, you need about 20 mines...

[sharp merlin]

3 mine deployers. Easy

[obtuse surge]

you're not seeing that you can just choose not to skip resources in required zones..

spend extra time grabbing those instead of going to more zones

[sharp merlin]

Well if I rush extreme as well I might not get those resources either

[kind swan]

imean if its main only. You have time

[sharp merlin]

"If you play the level bad, I might be in a bad position"

Yeah

[obtuse cedar]

you said it yourself. people will rush that blood door because they see a timer. at that point if they do not come back and loot those first zones they will be missing out on a LOT of resources

[obtuse surge]

and i said myself to go slow instead if its main

my advice is exactly that

stop rushing

[obtuse cedar]

and my advice stands for people who did not do that

[obtuse surge]

even for PE there's pretty much no point because if you can beat C3PE fast you can probably also do it slow and fight 10 extra waves

the timer just doesn't have much value to it

all it is, is a lock on your doors

[hexed vapor]

I mean, your advice is roundabout "no rushing," because they're investing time into opening Secondary.

[obtuse cedar]

yes. while also providing them with around the same amount of resources they MISSED by rushing

[obtuse surge]

my character need to breathe bro

[kind swan]

[obtuse surge]

we got anti-kiting just for u

dont make me rush more stuff i dont need

[sharp merlin]

Rushing to go to secondary to make up for the resources you lost rushing

kekw

[obtuse cedar]

it's a way for people who rushed the 1st part to have another option

[obtuse surge]

and if you really that fast with opening all those optional zones

just actually do extreme

wtf man

[prisma zodiac]

if you wanna make c3 a cakewalk the least risky play is to litteraly just -> find big door (or any door). loot area -> blow up wave with door -> rush to next door and loot that area

going secondary just makes that more complicated due to a backtrack (or 2 rather)

[obtuse cedar]

what makes extreme's backtrack hard is because of how slow you are by having to carry that cell

[obtuse surge]

and because you're going against wave spawns

[prisma zodiac]

tho i dont think secondary actually adds much difficulty if you open it for the ressources. Its actually good if you realize you rushed too much

[obtuse cedar]

if you don't have the cell. you can move freely

you won't be facing as many wave in front compare to if you carry that cell

[obtuse surge]

that actually depends on the timing

i might face the exact same amount

[obtuse cedar]

you want to go and do a C3PE crouch walking run later tonight then? no standing unless you aren't moving

🤣

[obtuse surge]

i meant that it literally happens all the time that carrying the cellthe entire way

is just 1 wave ahead

so the danger would be the same

wether you carry it or not

andyou can hear the waves!! so you can drop the cell omg

[obtuse cedar]

it is more then 1 for pubs

pubs are the one with the issue

[obtuse surge]

ifyou use that logic^^ then you haveto also accept that those extra zones will lose them massive amounts of time

because that is in fact also howi t will realistically go..

[obtuse cedar]

that's the point. high you need to wait anyway to begin with

[obtuse surge]

and realistically they will probably get "stuck" in thsoe zonesfighting extra waves that spawn ahead

[obtuse cedar]

what is the difference between waiting at the final door for 10 min vs arriving at 2 min in high only. none

[obtuse surge]

that's so wrong

[obtuse cedar]

you still have to wait 30 min to get through that final door

[obtuse surge]

i much rather fight in a zone that still has resources

[kind swan]

[obtuse surge]

you are literally explaining why you shouldn't rush

lol

and just pick up things in the zonesyou have to go through anyway

[kind swan]

Wake me up when we get to R7 and forget this c3 debacle

[obtuse cedar]

so you would open extreme if you go by the situation of your team rushed ahead and missed out on lots of resources at the start

[kind swan]

[obtuse surge]

yeh butthat's not the point

[obtuse cedar]

just because you'd want to defend into those zone full of resources

[hexed vapor]

If we're giving top-down advice here, you should always recommend "don't rush" over "rush and open secondary."

The latter is just worse.

[obtuse surge]

you're trying to give advice to people on how to play

not how to play starting in the middle of the game

but at the start..

[obtuse cedar]

that is the whole point i was stating that opening extreme is a viable option to begin with

[obtuse surge]

so just don't rush the start more than you have to

and then don't go to extra zones

because you won't need them

[hexed vapor]

Unless door

[obtuse surge]

just bring sentries

[hexed vapor]

But mines

[obtuse surge]

they buff the burst sentry so much

if you want to use up the resources you'll have to use something other than mines

you'll have to fight some waves with your guns

or you'll just be leaving ammo behind

[hexed vapor]

Having 15 uses of ammo and a full sentry seems like a pretty good problem.

[obtuse cedar]

ray... have you been in a pub where no one knows how to use mines? 🤣 it is hilarious how they don'T think to mine doors

[kind swan]

[obtuse surge]

yeh but the point was doing extra zones for extra resources

so instead

just don't

[half hornet]

I should confess

[obtuse surge]

and actually use the resources

[half hornet]

I never held a mine deployer

[hexed vapor]

This is not hard, I insist on using mine deployer if I play C3 because I assume my teammates will be dumb af, or at least not as aware of how to play C3 as I am.

[kind swan]

Use it your next game.

😏

[obtuse cedar]

that's the thing though. let them handle mines. let them learn 🤣

[hexed vapor]

Naw, I'll just spawn block.

and farm

[obtuse surge]

💀

[kind swan]

Instructions unclear. The mine killed my whole team

[hexed vapor]

If they see it tbqh I think that's better instruction than trying to force them to spawn block and do it themselves.

If they want to learn how to do that, they'll figure it out themselves.

[obtuse cedar]

if i do pubs, i do not care anymore. i'd rather wipe and let them learn a thing or two, than giving free carries

[obtuse surge]

damn

i do carry

even when 2 people leave

[kind swan]

then dont play pubs

[obtuse surge]

just be host

so you can shoot properly

don't even need tools anymore

[sharp merlin]

How do you get to C3 without mines lol

To be honest

[kind swan]

4 bios. All gunplay

[sharp merlin]

Not the most realistic

[obtuse surge]

idk how you can even replay c3 if you're fully reliant on mines each time

it's the most boring expedition you could play

[kind swan]

A friend of mine did tell me whenever they played with koreans. All they use is Sniper sentry.

[hexed vapor]

It's still the strongest sentry in the game, despite burst sentry's buffs, although burst has better chip damage for weapons like HEL Gun, HEL Revo, and DMR.

[kind swan]

Mhm

most kill efficient sentry

Unfortunate no back dmg for sentries

Meanwhile I'll play a random pub with some random praising auto sentry is god tier.

Me: just chill. It's a pub (in my mind)

[manic spire]

still most efficient by a significant percentage and not even close for giants

[obtuse surge]

it's just very slow now

but in a team of 4 you can just put more than one

or benefit of how the waves are set up

and have the slowness work in your favour

[kind swan]

I still wanna see 4 sniper sentries with +50% sentry cpu speed

[half hornet]

@kind swan that was probably me

I really want to like auto sentry. I like the BRRRT spirit of it.

[manic spire]

it's obviously not god tier but it isn't as unusable as people always act like it is unless you're a total meta player it's fun to use sometimes. hopefully they add more surges or other alarms with similar vibes for auto because i want to see it used more

[half hornet]

But it does suck....nothing 3 mutagens can't fix

[hexed vapor]

The stagger is just not actually that good. It has niche uses, but eh.

[manic spire]

i wanna see 4 auto sentries with 50% cpu speed :)))

hahaha

[kind swan]

At best I see people use it for surge alarm like d4 ending but every other pub still does c foam strats

[kind swan]

Kek

[manic spire]

most pubs do a lot of things

That doesn't mean much for whats actually food

[kind swan]

sentry behind door

[manic spire]

good

[hexed vapor]

Permafoam is still the best strat on D4 surge imo, despite its limitations.

[manic spire]

Or to be even worse I was recently informed about how people would spawn bloc R5C1 respawn room😂

[kind swan]

Which would you say is better? Foam door or stairs?

[hexed vapor]

Funnel just kind of sucks, you have to permafoam the opposite side no matter what you do or fight two sides.

[hexed vapor]

Door.

Global CD

[kind swan]

I personally did the stair strat

They just clump up on the left side stairs

[manic spire]

Yeah for the other hallway you put auto and you c foam the other door?

[hexed vapor]

Do you mean the error?

[manic spire]

nope the first one

[hexed vapor]

I'm like 90% on that not being a surge, it's just an error w/ full waves.

Talking to SOlace

[manic spire]

oh my b

[kind swan]

Ye. Its iffy

[hexed vapor]

Foam all 3 doors, two launchers perma-foam.

Hell, one launcher can cope, it's what I did in duo attempts and it works just fine.

[kind swan]

I remember joining a friend who was at the end of D4 but they had no resources at all

It was a pain moment as I looked at it all

[manic spire]

But you can't permafoam the left side

not really

[hexed vapor]

27 balls and 3-5 doors is really hard for enemies to get through.

[hexed vapor]

Not that hard, pre-charge, go into hallway, shoot door, go back to scan.

[manic spire]

unless you count shooting all over the floor as permafoaming

isn't there just a hallway?

[hexed vapor]

???

If you lose the door somehow, yes.

But don't do that.

[manic spire]

Maybe i'm wrong haven't done D4 for a few weeks

[kind swan]

The initial error and then the security scans right?

[hexed vapor]

Talking first surge in the level, before the first data cube.

[kind swan]

Ye

[hexed vapor]

(only surge, as well)

[manic spire]

I guess now that I think about it there is a door there ja

You're right raylot

[kind swan]

I think my team we had left side open with double burst sentries there. Middle closed and then right side foam and mined

[manic spire]

hmm I still think depending on scan placement that door will still likely break

[worldly cargo]

still it buys you a lot of time

[hexed vapor]

The main issue w/ permafoam on the surge is your foam launcher(s) has to actually be pretty good at what they're doing.

But it's much safer if you can do it.

[worldly cargo]

and them banging on multiple doors means you have more time to refoam them

[kind swan]

That

Having good coomers is a must

[hexed vapor]

Same thing on R5C3, launcher has to leave scan very early to foam sometimes, and greed can lose doors.

[manic spire]

does it? does the door damage scale with the number of enemies?

[worldly cargo]

nono

only when there's multiple doors being hit at the same time

[manic spire]

Really?

[worldly cargo]

ya

[hexed vapor]

There's a global CD on door breaker.

So, if enemies split, that's a good thing, it takes them years to get in.

So, 3 doors w/ 9 balls each is functionally one door with triple health and 27 balls.

[manic spire]

Wow interesting I never knew that lol. That's actually so useful.

I'm gonna use that on my duo runs

That could really help sometimes.

Thanks lads.

[hexed vapor]

If it weren't for global CD, I'd agree one side foam one side funnel is MUCH better.

But as it is, triple door permafoam is just too good.

[manic spire]

well there you see my perspective I never knew

[worldly cargo]

quad if you count further door on the right side LMAO

[kind swan]

just be the Chad's u r and leave all 3 pathways open

[worldly cargo]

I don't do it so I don't know if you can really afford that extra foam

[hexed vapor]

Yeah, you can have up to 6 doors for them to bang on, although setting up every single one is pretty hard to time.

[worldly cargo]

seems manageable if you take 2 launchers

[hexed vapor]

Usually close the 3 far doors, foam the nearest 3.

True

[worldly cargo]

I don't know about 6 though?

[manic spire]

And it scales infinitely? so if you somehow set off lots of other enemies on other doors it would take ages to break through?

[hexed vapor]

I would still avoid all 3 far doors foamed, because they don't always spawn behind them iirc.

Or at least, few enough might spawn that they won't get many hits in.

So they're not actually stalling very much.

[worldly cargo]

from what i can tell yea (:

[manic spire]

You get one enemy on 10 different doors somehow and you can go get lunch and come back before the surge is over

[worldly cargo]

not that it's easy to get sleepers on more than like, 3 doors at once

[manic spire]

No definitely not

[hexed vapor]

W/out the right set-up, chances are you'll get like 3 sleepers on one door and 20 on another door, and so the 3 sleepers aren't really going to stop the 20 sleepers for long.

I love democracy.

You want fairly even splitting.

Although uneven splitting is still useful if you really don't want them to go a certain way (which is also why permafoam is good in D4; the door behind you often gets out-voted by the doors on the opposite side).

[bold widget]

smash or pass but its with GTFO monsters

[nocturne flax]

Big shooter 😫 😫

[mossy marsh]

Spitter 😏

[bold widget]

specimen 22 😫

[atomic escarp]

hybrid 😩 😩 😩

[nocturne flax]

Hoping r7 levels are replayable

[errant vigil]

R6 already has that

Checkpoints

[mossy marsh]

E1 with one checkpoint on every door

[errant vigil]

It's fine game isn't hardcore anymore

[fierce laurel]

E tier

more like ED

[kind swan]

LF specimen 22 beating the absolute shit outta schaeffer wanting to know if he's a dog or cat person

[manic spire]

Don't even say it man.

[nocturne flax]

Does someone got the weapon numbers for rundown 3?

[hexed vapor]

Wym?

I have a copy of Archetype from R3 if that's what you mean.

[nocturne flax]

Thank you someone gave me spreadsheet already, i would love to have the copy tho if isnt trouble for you

[bold widget]

i cant believe schaeffer would do that i am litteraly shaking and crying rn

[jolly perch]

is it an error alarm when you enter the other dimension in DX

[royal lichen]

yep, floats and small stri shoo

even hybes w/ uplinks

[hallow lark]

Don’t forget some shockers too…

[hard sun]

just finished my first D1 in 2 hours. kinda pog mission but the FPS at the end..

[obtuse surge]

i think its worse on DX

💀

[ornate quail]

dx for me was actually pretty stable 70 ish frames still isnt great but better than the 40 i got on d1

[edgy vapor]

me and the boys can’t get past the 2nd uplink in DX. Do y’all have a good loadout you could recommend to us? and what tools should we use?

[fallow wasp]

Can't wait for all mothers to become big mothers this mother's day

[sharp merlin]

14 frames D1 , 9 frames DX

Good enough for me

[gleaming cedar]

you guys get frames?

[royal lichen]

wave clearing weapons, we did it 3 burst, one was damageboosted.. but ppl generally recoomend copious amounts of cfoam, espec on the staircases.. and do try top middle bottom order, extra care on the middle.. and dont rush to mid before the top uplink waves are all dead..

if u get middle done, haul ass down to bottom, youre home free if u get the bottom started (full team scan)

[kind swan]

Bottom easiest since you only one direction to focus versus multiple directions of the other 2 uplinks

[last gust]

In DX? Occasionally. Good thing I have my palm cards prepped.

[half hornet]

How bad is D4?

I can see that it has no secondaries

[mortal portal]

In terms of difficulty or in terms of frames?

[half hornet]

both

[mortal portal]

It's easier than D3, or at least once you manage to go through the very first part, the level becomes pretty manageable after that. Frames are pretty meh, you'll probably experience some framedrops quite often, though they're not as bad as in the dimensions.

TL;DR: Not too bad but somewhat bad, at least in my opinion.

[sacred flame]

really the only parts that you may have trouble on is the beginning and end surge alarms, but as long as your team keeps shooting, you should be fine

[last gust]

D4's fun, aside from when it breaks

[lyric barn]

hey guys, i have a questions about D3 and would prefer no spoilers, but i have to ask about the level itself so i figured i'd post here

for the first bulkhead hub, can i do main, then continue the mission until we get the 2nd bulkhead key, and return to do overload, then after overload move on to extreme?

take in mind i haven't gotten far enough in D3 to get past main, just trying to figure out if we HAVE to do main while also doing overload (Don't want to waste time learning main without overload if we have no choice)

[last gust]

Yes, but it's dicey. ||Upon completing main, a 15 minute timer starts, at the end of which a biomass surge arrives. If you're fast enough to complete both overload and extreme within those 15 minutes then great, but I wouldn't recommend it to newbies.||

[lyric barn]

i'm guessing uncovering your spoiler tag will spoil what happens after main, so I won't click it 😦
But would you recommend doing main, then move on with primary, until second bulkhead key, then return for overload, clear that, then get the key from that and move on?

[last gust]

I would recommend doing overload, then main, then secondary.

Main first is not for newbies.

[lyric barn]

one last question then, zone_292, is that unlocked after main, or after starting overload

(the zone where you disable overload alarm)

[last gust]

I don't remember the zone numbers

I believe that door only unlocks after you start the overload error alarm.

It's not available if you only do main.

[lyric barn]

okay, cause we saw it was locked, and thought it'd be unlocked after main

basically in our head it was "start overload, start main, finish main, finish overload"

[mortal portal]

It's unlocked once you activate the Overload error alarm.

[lyric barn]

got it, thank you

[mortal portal]

[last gust]

Think "start ovreload, finish overload but deal with some residual nuisance (not waves) from having done overload while doing main, do main"

[lyric barn]

understood, going to turn a blind eye to spoiler chat now, just wanted that piece of info and didn't want to spoil much else

so far we've triod everything except BX, CX, DX, and D3, D4

[mortal portal]

Level's pretty fun, so hope you enjoy it

[mellow cairn]

find a random GTFO stream and the streamer is talking about the lore
get most of the detail wrong
so i said "not really how the story goes but close enough" in chat
this guy decide to explain what this game is and how the rundown works to me for some reason

BRUH

[mortal portal]

Streamers playing GTFO for the first time be like

Oh boy, I have many stories to tell when it comes to streamers, lol.

[mellow cairn]

prob not first time, he was doing D4

and shooting small enemies with scattergun

[mortal portal]

Didn't want to say streamers in general cuz I know really cool streamers out there.

But yeah, most of them.

[wary olive]

Nothing wrong with shooting smalls with scatter, it's better than being 20%/100% ammo because you're saving it for giants

[mellow cairn]

hes main (carbine) has like 70% ammo

[mortal portal]

Like this guy going nuts for not being able to survive the class III on A1. Brought 4 auto sentries

I asked if they considered using other tools, like cfoam and mines. Then he started insulting the hell out of me for trying to tell him what to do, then said it was the game's fault for being too difficult.

[mellow cairn]

yieks

[mortal portal]

Then compared it to Destiny.

We live in a society

[vernal rose]

I mean they play GTFO so....

They're still dumb

UwU

[mortal portal]

I have about 500 hours, so I'm not just dumb, I know how to get the best out of my dumbness

Still rookie numbers though.

[candid dragon]

streamers are generally dogwater

[thick grove]

the last slog of DX is... unpleasant.

asides from the frame drops how do you get through all four of the uplinks

[wary olive]

Have good horde weapons and hope people can aim

Some people say that starting at the top most terminal makes it easier

[candid dragon]

if you can move quickly, it makes it slightly easier

if you suck on mario cart mirror circuits, getting back down is a hassle and makes it worse.

[thick grove]

is there any mounting threat with the error alarm

[vernal rose]

Touhou bullet hell that you can dodge occasionally

And flyer AI is what's going to fuck you and your teammates the most

[fierce laurel]

sorry for late reply, its mostly just time pressure

with this rundown its not that bad

but the err alarm can contain things other than sleepers depending on level

R4E1 had a tank err :3

[mortal portal]

R5E1 was like a theme park of error alarms

[thick grove]

ah gotcha

the biggest pain for the last ascent was getting whittled down as we went

and by the time we finished the second terminal in the middle we were still getting swarmed by flyers

[last gust]

I think I know who you're talking about. They're good for a chuckle.

[next rapids]

i can't be the only one using sniper on babies right?

[hallow lark]

Nope

[kind swan]

Me using scatter gun on a single baby

[brazen hollow]

thats the intended way

[bold widget]

i use hammer on spitters, works like a charm

[mellow cairn]

well least you have good aim :\

[chilly ivy]

Sounds about right if a team is (mostly) ignoring flyers during the middle uplink.
This terminal is also a lot more manageable if one or maybe even two players go to the floor above. I usually go alone cos no one thinks like I do 😂
Pressure on the small space around the terminal will be relieved, flyers will be easier to reduce in number, and moving to the final terminal is safer. Similar idea to defenders leaving hacker-man on terminal one and pushing to the straight line holds on the way to the middle terminal.

[obtuse surge]

so true

[hearty escarp]

In R6D2 Extreme, I'm trying to beat the level with two humans and two bots. But for the flyers alarm, the bots aren't great at either shooting the flying monsters nor standing on the scans. Any recommendations for guns to put in the hands of the bots to make them more effective? Or are they just not good at it?

[pliant shard]

Bots with DMR good

[chilly ivy]

Bots are great for shooting flyers. If the player they are following is near to a scan then they will try to go to it.

[obtuse surge]

i hope you're being sarcastic because bots vs scans is literally horrible atm and it takes very little effort to find an obvious example of it

[fallen badger]

It's inconsistent, for the most part they move to scans provided they're following another player thats in a scan/close to another

but we've had instances where they dont stand in it

notably D3, when going for 4th code

[nocturne flax]

Its the stupid "link" with the players

liked it more when 1 bot would help with scan

[chilly ivy]

Me being sarcastic? Not at all.

[obtuse surge]

• they don't recognize extraction scans at all, you'll just have to be lucky that their random positioning around the player they're following happens to be inside the extraction scan
• they will swap to different scans if multiple people are on their current scan, this leads to bots picking the same scan and then both swapping to another scan, and this loops indefinitely with them making essentially no progress on either scans
• there's no logic in the game to let a bot know that scans that are bound to an alarm will probably have enemies... so they may still be sneaking if there are sleeping enemies around, this makes no sense at all
• why do they still follow a player instead of just focusing scans, bots become useless if your scans are split up

[nocturne flax]

ey ey ey you

do you want to replace players??

or

do you want to "fill the gap"

[royal lichen]

quick menu for bot despawn / respawn instead of the "slot locked" stuff would help on those rare occasions imho

[obtuse surge]

if you choose to implement a feature into your game, you have to do it right

[fallen badger]

ye this is the real shout, was gonna say have the option for keybinds to kick/add

[obtuse surge]

so yes, replace players

for as much as possible

[nocturne flax]

wrong game

[fallen badger]

so if your bot solely focus's scans but there's waves of giant chargers come in, you'd prefer it to do the scans still?

coming* in

[obtuse surge]

fight on scans

[fallen badger]

ye

[obtuse surge]

its positioning should be based on the scans

[fallen badger]

but if its a bad scan spot

[obtuse surge]

not on my positioning

[royal lichen]

and, in my humble opinion, the bot melee range stuff is the real killer.. dx stairs, a flyer gets close, bot stops shooting as he wants to knife the flyer. ehh.

[chilly ivy]

Exactly. Bots are not human and they were never claimed to be.
Bots will also happily sit in the same scan together.

[nocturne flax]

you talking like 90% of people running bots dont bring either helgun or sniper

[fallen badger]

they do?!

[nocturne flax]

i was young once

i gave hacket bot sniper

[fallen badger]

in my experience, they work but

its clunky

[nocturne flax]

he just said

plin plin plin plin

[obtuse surge]

things like positioning against enemies is way more advanced then fixing the problems i mentioned

[obtuse surge]

you strive to make them like players

so if there's some easy things you can change to make it more like that

you'll surely do it

bots will probably be better in R7..

[fallen badger]

i've never encountered that extraction scan issue though

with bots

at least in the games i've played

[obtuse surge]

not paying attention cuz it happens every single time

[fallen badger]

they've always gone into it for me

[obtuse surge]

they're just positioning around the player randomly

[royal lichen]

extract from b1 3 bots and listen to the ticking of the scan. you're lucky to get 1 bot inside the ring.

[obtuse surge]

and as such, possibly standing in the extraction

but perhaps not standing in it

[fallen badger]

ah ok, i'd have to see it tbh but i'll take your word for it

[obtuse surge]

if you think they shouldn't address the 4 things i mentioned because bots aren't supposed to be that good

there uhh

well i'm not allowed to make fun of people even if they're clearly wrong

😄

[fallen badger]

should the biotracker be nerfed then

since bots are op with it

[obtuse surge]

bio tracker on bot it's both sides

huge buff in active combat

huge nerf in stealth

[fallen badger]

fair point

[chilly ivy]

Bots definitely should have the same cool down with bio as a player has.

[next rapids]

no pls

[obtuse surge]

it probably does

but skips the windup

[next rapids]

they are already useless enough

[obtuse surge]

which would be more of a bug

[nocturne flax]

*they should address resource distribution logic ||or lack there of :]||

*basic miniboss survival survival

*buffing biotracker by not letting the biotracker bot get close to every single door to tell me if the pinger shows we already dead

*bots separating from the team to ping an locker/door that doesnt even show in the map when they ping that item

*the things you mention on scans

and MANY MORE!!!

[fallen badger]

the one that gets me is the pulling out a melee weapon

reeeeeeeeeeeee

[nocturne flax]

Ah yes your right

[obtuse surge]

they sure did give themselves a lot of extra work 😄

[nocturne flax]

melee logic

or lack there off

[chilly ivy]

The other issues you mentioned though are pretty close to non issues.
When I play with humans we tend to hold different scans. When I play with humans we aren't always in the extraction scan. So if anything, in these two instances they behave much like most players do. If you're playing with bots for them to do all of the heavy lifting then you're going to be disappointed. If anything, using them is a fun challenge. Especially on higher tiers and more difficult objectives.

[next rapids]

ah yes when the bot steals your 5 use ammo pack and puts it on himself, melees during an alarm

[nocturne flax]

ah yes mom spawns babies??

lemme melee this bitch real quick and that one sinngular baby that clip trought her

bot dauda have courage ill tell you that

[obtuse surge]

you aren't in the scan because you choose to stand in a good spot to defend

they don't

they just stand next to the scan

something a player never does

they'll literally stand 1m away from the scan

[chilly ivy]

If you are near the scan then they will stand in the scan

If not, they don't.

[obtuse surge]

And I'm telling you that's simply not true

Because the scan isn't recognized by bots

They can just randomly be in the scan

[chilly ivy]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLW3gtSKzJdIHj6Rl8N93EqU46rjnTYcw4

[obtuse surge]

an example doesn't prove the theory wrong when the theory says that's it's possible

the theory isn't, "bots never stand in the extraction"

it's that it's random

[fallen badger]

D2 when

[obtuse surge]

you can literally see on your A1 that they're not in the scan even

what an idiot are you lol

[nocturne flax]

y'all stupid

[fallen badger]

isn't a1 an item scan

[chilly ivy]

D2 soon haha. Did you see my attempt yesterday? 5 codes might be too much. It was possible with 3

[nocturne flax]

you should see my reddit guide instead

[fallen badger]

but they deffo arent in the scan

[nocturne flax]

at triple w dot reddit slash black dragon

[chilly ivy]

I don't appreciate being called an idiot

[next rapids]

xD

[obtuse surge]

It literally happens for every single extraction for every video you have in the link you shared

you just don't pay attention to it

[fallen badger]

C1 there's one in it

can't see others

[obtuse surge]

like shared by hirnu you can use the audio to easily tell

[fallen badger]

1 deffo isn't

[obtuse surge]

my apologies 👍

you're still very wrong tho and posted something that absolutely doesn't prove your point

in fact does the opposite and proves mine

[chilly ivy]

Maybe you should have specified you are talking about extraction scan. When you just say scan I reply as if you are talking about any other scan.
So if you are at extraction with bots and not standing in the extraction scan then you are simply doing it wrong 🤷‍♀️

[obtuse surge]

it literally says extraction scan

so i did specify

[nocturne flax]

You guys makes me wanna open an only fans

[obtuse surge]

Wesley [no mike] — Today at 15:00

• they don't recognize extraction scans

[next rapids]

yes daddy

[obtuse surge]

you even acknowledged it
Ava (She/Her) — Today at 15:12
When I play with humans we aren't always in the extraction scan.

stop bullshitting if you don't wanna be called out

[chilly ivy]

My god. You are impossible. I even quoted you by replying directly to your message

[obtuse surge]

we literally both said "extraction"

how could it not be about the extraction ava

[chilly ivy]

So I'll say again. If you are at extraction with bots and you are not in the extraction scan then you are doing it wrong. Good day, you clearly know better than everyone.

[obtuse surge]

are you ok

[royal lichen]

i think there's 2 diff points at play now

[obtuse surge]

i don't know better than everyone but i sure know this one better than you as you're still making the wrong conclusion

watch any of the videos you linked and you'll see that they do not stand in the extraction scan

[royal lichen]

normal scan, stand outside, bots will go inside. on extract, stand anywhere u want, bots will either come close enough to scan or not. they don't choose to.

[obtuse surge]

unless by random chance

[chilly ivy]

Who cares?

[obtuse surge]

people who care about the game

why would this feedback not matter ava

[fallen badger]

people using bots i guess

[royal lichen]

i care, i wanna hear the full ticktickticktick and scan fast

but instead i get "tick..... tick.... tick...."

[obtuse surge]

what a dumb reply lmao

[fallen badger]

imagine if you died at the end due to bots not standing in scan

i'd be legit mad

extraction scan even

[obtuse surge]

the scan is so much slower solo so it could possibly matter a huge amount

[chilly ivy]

No one but you right now. Again, if you're using bots hoping that they will carry you then gl I guess.

[obtuse surge]

there's literally multiple people agreeing with me ava

but ok epic conclusion

im just a tyrant

[brazen hollow]

Honestly bots have aimbots

[fallen badger]

the extraction scan one is a pretty big one

imo

[brazen hollow]

There are some aspects where they indeed carry players kekw

[fallen badger]

you can half ass your way through normal scans with bots behaviour

but yeah the extraction scan is p bad

given that it's probably one of the more important scans

[royal lichen]

from r6 day 1 i've been hoping for consistent extracts when bots, i hope r7 delivers

and, not getting a bot stuck on a ladder when doing d3 overload scan

[obtuse surge]

yeh hopefully the devs don't think like ava does so they don't think that bots shouldn't get improvements just cuz they aren't meant to carry

[royal lichen]

and not get a bot to choose a different blue teamscan circle than the rest of the team.... and have him leave when others enter that circle

[fallen badger]

the real question is

is it fixed in R7

👀

only the devs know

[obtuse surge]

possibly

[royal lichen]

here's to hoping 🍸

<leo dicaprio meme>

[fallen badger]

cause they said it's a different branch isnt it

6/6.5

[obtuse surge]

[fallen badger]

to 7

[obtuse surge]

yes

[fallen badger]

so no more work being done on 6 & 6.5

[obtuse surge]

they've been implementing fixes on the other branch

supposedly

👍

i do still have some faith

extension levels were actually really good and the difficulty issue with is i think is mostly due to every other mid-rundown content update including an E-tier except for this one

[chilly ivy]

Probably. There are a lot of fixes in R7 that won't see R6.5 by choice. It's such a minor thing I can't see it not being changed. However there would be issues to address like extraction scans being live behind security doors. I have a hell of a lot of experience with the bots going all the way back to R6 testing. Bot scan logic is definitely one of the smallest issues with the game right now, and not something that requires either direct or indirect aggressive comments to another person about. The fact remains that bots are very good at shooting without being completely op, they are good enough at alarm scans such that the player must be doing work, and if you fail an extraction scan because "muh bot didn't stand in scan" then the bot isn't the issue.

[obtuse surge]

well then next time don't bother telling me they're non-issues

cuz i will continue to prove you wrong

[chilly ivy]

"prove"

[obtuse surge]

again, every single video you linked

doesn't have all bots in the extraction scan

it's random each time

if you choose to turn a blind eye to everything, I guess you'll continue to be correct

[nocturne flax]

Now its just arguing for the sake of arguing

Get a room you two

[next rapids]

ah yes it is my fault that the scan doesn't go as fast as it could cuz the bots don't wanna stand in it

[obtuse surge]

it's a non-issue because bots are meant to just help a little hehe!!

[next rapids]

ikr

[obtuse cedar]

People don't understand how AI are coded behind the scene and think it would be better to focus on improoving them without realizing just how much of a time sink it would be overall for almost no significant changes

-_-

[obtuse surge]

you can apply this to literally every issue ever

and you actually do.. whenever it suits you..

you guys suck to have conversations with

let us point out issues that bother us without telling us that they aren't worth fixing

[obtuse cedar]

have you ever try coding an AI? it's not simple run out of the mill coding

[obtuse surge]

and without telling us that they simply don't matter

yes i am a programmer

stop trying to use that shit lol

even if i wasn't, it still would hold no value

don't critique my food if you're not a chef!

[solemn wigeon]

bro but you need to have solved world hunger

[nocturne flax]

Program deez

[obtuse cedar]

i have touch multiple types of AI and all of them have flaws and were time sink to try to fix those flaws

[urban cypress]

🍿

[obtuse surge]

you just described how product development works

[obtuse cedar]

the beccomes an exponentional function for the time wasted in trying to fix those flaws

[obtuse surge]

you find issues and spend time to fix them

👏

daily life moment

[obtuse cedar]

except that you try to AVOID exponentional time wasting in a business

cause it doesn't bring you enough money compare to all that time wasted

[obtuse surge]

you as an outstander have no idea about the timeframe needed to fix the things i mentioned

so why would you try to use this to void my feedback

[vernal rose]

Just bug = fix

[obtuse surge]

some of them might be a lot of effort others may be significantly less

but it's no reason for me to just not mention those issues anymore

[urban cypress]

They have rundowns out already, they’re not really in any rush and if they needed more time just extend the rundown.

[obtuse cedar]

i did not void it. i said my opinion on people wanting one of the least important fixes to pass before the actual problems we have rn.

[nocturne flax]

Tbf they already have like 90% of the programming done and lots of issues with the bots could be fix by changing a couple of values inside.

[obtuse cedar]

bots are meant to fill in. not to replace actual players

[obtuse surge]

well you've made a bad conlusion then because at no point did I say they were the most important

[vernal rose]

They already did : )

[obtuse surge]

I in fact never mentioned priority in any of this

[nocturne flax]

Doesnt excuse the state in wich this feature is right now

[obtuse surge]

I simply listed issues that were bothersome

And then was told how they are non-issues

Very common occurence around here

[obtuse cedar]

i'm not speaking about you directly wesley. it's for all people wanting that not just you. so maybe you don't think it is the most important thing. but some definitely do think that

[obtuse surge]

and it gains no one anything

Not a single person mentioned priority other than you shadowgx

It simply wasn't the topic

The topic was bots are good with scans
-> no they are actually not and here's why: ...

[obtuse cedar]

it then turned into a " they should fix it to make it so they can ["replace players"] "

[obtuse surge]

no, it turned into, replace players should be the goal

its what you strive for

knowing you won't reach it

[nocturne flax]

^

[urban cypress]

Should be able to 360 no scope every enemy.

[nocturne flax]

Vermintide 2 have some good bot support

[vernal rose]

L+ratio

[nocturne flax]

Why can this game be like that?

[obtuse cedar]

different devs. just like different devs coded the shitty b4b bots

[nocturne flax]

Excusing the devs of "it takes time" its jusy plain stupid when they literally take half a year to release a rundown when they have over 50 people

[obtuse surge]

things that are obviously bothersome should have a fair amount of priority to them regardless

[nocturne flax]

They have expanded and can do better

Theyre not 10 people anymore

[obtuse surge]

it makes the game look really bad otherwise

[obtuse cedar]

i think frame issues are more bothersome to everyone vs bots who only a portion of the community will ever use

[vernal rose]

They're also about to make a new game so total rundowns per year is going to be 1 a year than the old 1 maybe 2 a year

[nocturne flax]

The bots are good, the bad part its that theyre server side and so they have delays and other stuff going on affecting them

[obtuse cedar]

the b4b bots?

[nocturne flax]

Vermintide would be a vetter comparison since its p2p

[urban cypress]

My bot was pulling a Jesus but on fog.

[fallen badger]

source

[nocturne flax]

Why do you think the lag so much

And have more pathfinding isssues

It dont even matter, dont excuse the devs

[obtuse cedar]

i was more refering to their AI constantly pushing forward and stopping entirely to work the moment they have 2 enemies in their face

[nocturne flax]

I was understanding when they where 10 dudes in an office

Now they expanded and have all the time.in the world

They gotta deliver

[obtuse cedar]

also do we even know how many dev 10cc has that are used to bot coding?

not every devs can code AIs

[nocturne flax]

If you cannot program a bot correctly with that size team and relax work enviorement then it means management its failing and so its QA

[obtuse surge]

none of this should ever matter in feedback