gtfo-spoiler-chat

[fallow delta]

And an absolute chad who sticked together with scattergun. Loved that guy

[fleet delta]

who's the guy in A1

[digital dawn]

Schaeffer

[fleet delta]

who's that

Schaeffer

is that the chad solo mission guy that I heard of

[digital dawn]

probably

hes the only person interacting with the players besides the warden

[fleet delta]

the audio that turns on at B1 is real time with the guys operating the warp system probably

[digital dawn]

pretty sure thats in the past

[fleet delta]

aha

[digital dawn]

but they** did **send one of the player characters through the gate in that recording

[atomic escarp]

so maybye we learn out how he came back in r7

[haughty plank]

Hey guys: Is there a collection of all R6 logs found so far? Wie missed all in D1 and I'd like to catch up

[brisk gyro]

if only there was a channel for lore stuff

[haughty plank]

?

wiki chat?

[brisk gyro]

#gtfo-lore

[atomic escarp]

complex archives discord

[signal fox]

wtf are these devs doing with balancing man

burst sentry is now worse than it was in R5

after the patch max ammo is lower than R5 and has 2 times the burst delay

[royal lichen]

back to sniper then :(

[signal fox]

fr

R5 max ammo was 277 and burst delay was 0.5

now its 269 and 1.0

no one used burst so they buffed it

and now it is even worse than before the buff, so now no one will use it

assuming that every shot from it hits it gets almost 30 kills per max ammo, and 5 kills per refill. Takes exactly 4 seconds for a kill including sentry lock on

not only is this worse than sniper, it still has less range and can't kill big enemies or chargers

If burst misses a single bullet then it kills slower than sniper too

[fallow delta]

Found the new scatter dmg btw? @signal fox

[signal fox]

4.01 per pellet. still 32 pellets

damage from 192>128

can no longer 2 shot mom

[fallow delta]

Ouch

So even 1 hit killing hybrids is out of the picture unless you headshot

[signal fox]

kinda needed it though

[fallow delta]

True, i don't think you can easily balance it tbh

Still does more damage than a sniper to bosses afterall, so i think it has its place

[signal fox]

@mossy yoke genuine question. It this intentional? Because burst is objectively worse than sniper in all aspects now

[obtuse surge]

thats what happen if u all say its op

even tho it wasn't

[turbid cliff]

You do know it aims for heads always

And it has aimbot now in r6

R5 20% accuracy vs this

[signal fox]

I accounted for headshot damage

[turbid cliff]

I wonder which is actually better

[obtuse surge]

can we change some of the spear stamina stuff

if its only reward is range its really shitty

way too many drawbacks

[glass surge]

what the hell, i thought we were gonna have a real human hq with the implementation of those voices

[obtuse surge]

spear is just a noob weapon now because it doesn't require direct hits and allows killing giants from a safe distance

[fallow delta]

Sentries always headshot? @turbid cliff

[obtuse surge]

and in return you get fucked on everything

[turbid cliff]

Copypasta what impressions i got from the melees
Overall
Hammer is standard
Spear is made to easily handle things people would struggle with using hammer
Bat is wack
Knife seems to be the actual most skillful melee, being harder to handle but (back damage pls) still able to handle most things including giants and scouts, and killing other shit with real speed if you manage

[regal thicket]

can't believe I'm going to use sentry cpu speed on burst sentry

[lofty echo]

bat is for 0 aim players like me just wack away pog

[turbid cliff]

They try to aim for the head when it's not destroyed

[regal thicket]

this is so sad

[obtuse surge]

at least give spear same damage as hammer then

let it oneshot with body hit

[fallow delta]

Mmh good to know. Snipers on giant can work wonders then

I hope at least. Forgot the damage

[regal thicket]

return to sniper sentry

😔

[turbid cliff]

Clearly you need to insert it up their ass, it makes perfect sense

Mongolian style?

[obtuse surge]

sniper sentry still performed better than burst sentry if the layout allowed it

but the burst could be used anywhere and perform well

[lofty echo]

burst just realy flexible

[obtuse surge]

its high ammo also made it more ammo efficient

[digital dawn]

dont think there are that many humans still alive apart from the ones we woke up in R5 ^^

[obtuse surge]

by a lot

[brisk gyro]

bat is wack is the bes description ive heard so far about bat, thank you

[obtuse surge]

i dont know how much they increase burst delay

but yeh its probably poopy if u just use one burst sentry

it wasn't op before

it was ok before

[glass surge]

yeah i thought we woke up some of the KDS Deep guys and they were operating the teleporter

[fallow delta]

Anyone knows how much hammo sniper sentries get from refill?

[turbid cliff]

It was pretty powerful before as far as sentries go

It's just sniper that's dumb

[obtuse surge]

i think it was pretty balanced vs the other tools

you still mostly don't even use them unless doors are gone

[turbid cliff]

The moral here is devs can't do tools

[obtuse surge]

it was 8, don't think it was changed

[fallow delta]

Mmh so 8 kills per refill. It doesn't pierce right?

[obtuse surge]

yes

8 kills isn't much but the slow fire rate make it better

because it means what really happens, is that you just get smaller waves

which you can fight easily

[turbid cliff]

Bio change that came from god knows where and why
Foam sitting on bugs and cheese
Mines bugged before, ridiculous now
Sentries bugged before, ass after, still ass, still ass, then bugged but op in comparison to other sentries (sniper arrives)

Wtf honestly

[fallow delta]

Any clue on the damage it does? Would love to know if it 1 hit kills giants in the head

[turbid cliff]

No

[fallow delta]

Ah rip

[obtuse surge]

it was able to with back damage

but not anymore

[signal fox]

sniper sentry is 48

it can 2 shot big strikers if 1 is a headshot

[turbid cliff]

Sentries have never been in a good state in the history of this game

[fallow delta]

R1?

Shotgun sentries with back damage

Right now i agree doh

I'd much rather have mines

If no doors then yea.. sentry

But that's cause without doors 2 tools are already "mostly" out of the picture

[turbid cliff]

R1 they probably already had the damage bug that scales with player count

• the accuracy being ass has always been a thing

[soft loom]

oof scattergun got nerfed

[turbid cliff]

And people didn't really know about strats properly back then, would've foamed and mined everything

[fallow delta]

That, or shotgun behind a door

[turbid cliff]

Which is a complete waste

[fallow delta]

Worked well when i played, shreded most thing in like 2 shots

If i recall correctly

And then people discovered about waves..

And kiting started

Soloing almost every level by running marathons

[cold epoch]

Spear pierces, I guess

[atomic escarp]

the devs nerfed tf out of burst sentry

[obtuse surge]

the changes made it insignificant

it'll happen once in a thousand swings

it doesn't matter

[fallow delta]

It may help with broken doors perhaps

[cold epoch]

You could see it as a reward for better placement/repositioning

[obtuse surge]

not really

because it limits movement

[signal fox]

Take knife or bat

Effectively the same thing now

[obtuse surge]

you don't reward me for movement while decreasing my movement

knife does that properly

especially with fixed back damage

[fallow delta]

They didn"t get changed i believe

[obtuse surge]

spear will not do that

[fallow delta]

I think he means as being in the correct position to abuse the piercing

[signal fox]

What I mean is that knife and bat are just as fast in stealth now as spear

[obtuse surge]

yes

but getting into the correct position

is retarded if you can't move while charging

enemies move around pretty randomly with their strafing

[fallow delta]

Mmh, what am i missing? Knife and bat are faster killing wise @signal fox

[obtuse surge]

your charge up takes too long and you can't move around quickly

[cold epoch]

For first strikes in crowded room, notably, but I agree with Wesley, it's really minor use cases

I'm pretty sure you can get kited by shooters with the spear

[obtuse surge]

i would take the spear if i plan to stealth kill 5+ giants that are all in the same room

but that pretty much never happens

[spare mason]

Knives cant kill scouts with 100% chance, bat dont have sufficient damage for big guys, so hammer only I guess

[turbid cliff]

How exactly does it work now

[cold epoch]

R4B1

[obtuse surge]

the original stab can penetrate i think

[fallow delta]

I also agree it is limited and more of a noobie thing for reach

But if you are near a broken door that pierce may come in handy

[cold epoch]

You can't just Helicopter with the spear now

[obtuse surge]

other than that its limited to 1 enemy per swing

[spare mason]

why not mines?

[obtuse surge]

and you can still kind of helicopter

[signal fox]

You used to be able to kill 3 or 4 things in 1 spear charge because of the hit box bug. But because that is fixed even if you position yourself properly to get overpens, knife or bat could clear it just as fast because of their charge speeds. And you don’t need to do asinine positioning

[fallow delta]

Broken door @spare mason

[obtuse surge]

it's just only going to hit 1 dude

so the 180 thing that people were bothered by its still there

👏

[fallow delta]

@signal fox ah good point of view

[signal fox]

Melees go through broken door frames my guy

[fallow delta]

The f

[spare mason]

okay but I don't really think that helicopter damage would worth the HP you ll probably loose

[obtuse surge]

idek why you guys call it a hitbox thing

the hitbox it hasn't changed

[fallow delta]

Helicopter with the spear should not be s thing anymore @spare mason

[obtuse surge]

there's just simply a limit on the amount of enemies it can hit

[regal thicket]

Hurtbox moment

[spare mason]

yeah

[fallow delta]

I literally mean
Sit behind a broken door with a wave coming
Charge m1
Hit
Repeat, if you can.
If you have 2 people doing that it may work quite well

[spare mason]

but anyway the spear cant run while charging which already makes it the most vulnerable one

[bold widget]

d2 buff?

[regal thicket]

it's already the worst melee by default

dab

[obtuse surge]

it also has the most stamina usage and prevents regening stamina with all of its actions

[fallow delta]

Mmh, i wanna try some stuff out before i agree on that

It may have some wave murdering potential

[spare mason]

Not really if you trust me, my team have tried all the combinations

[regal thicket]

game's about mobility and reposition

[obtuse surge]

if there's a few giants in the room

we can just shoot them

[spare mason]

Ah I forgot about one only thing: spears kill birds more easily bc long range

[regal thicket]

spear can't run while charging ain't it

[obtuse surge]

we dont need shitty spear that screws over every other part of active combat

[fallow delta]

What if you were still able to sprint

[obtuse surge]

the spear tries to take on a role that no one realistically would want

[fallow delta]

Cause i do agree removing sprint on it is a bummer

[obtuse surge]

if many giants in room > don't kill em
if few giants in room > shoot them

[spare mason]

then it should be the better hammer with piercing stuff

[fallow delta]

Eh true for the most part.

If a few spears cannot hold a door well enough, then i only see it as a more noobish sledge

And worse of course.

That's the only thing i can think about for the spear that may save it

[spare mason]

basically I don't really consider that holding a door with melees is how this game is designed..

[fallow delta]

Agreed.. but hey if it works

[spare mason]

Extreme situations of course exists, I mean if all your team run out of ammo...
But this should not happen if players optimize the resouces

but yeah I actually saw a video on R6D1 where they all ran out of ammo at the reactor and had to melee the tank

[fallow delta]

Oly f

I guess they didn't have a scatter or sniper for big guys

Otherwise running out of ammo means you are missing a lot in that level

[spare mason]

They made mistakes for sure
tbh I personally can't imagine running out of ammos in R6 with supplies almost everywhere

[regal thicket]

pre nerf c2 ex if you're too slow

[fallow delta]

I never did aside C3 so far

Haven't tried D2 - D4 or finished D3

But C3 it's cause of mistakes as well.

Or cause the game gives me 5 medpacks

That run waa screwed

[mossy cloak]

how is the Scattergun tweak?

[fallow delta]

128 dmg @mossy cloak

[mortal granite]

jump in and shoot a mother to find out

[fallow delta]

Good damage on bosses, ok on giants

[mortal granite]

i can't believe this become a quote

[mossy cloak]

still one shot giants

or almost oneshots

?

[fallow delta]

Less ammo too doh. I believe that means less efficient

[mossy cloak]

nah i just wanna know in terms of damage

[fallow delta]

Ah

[mossy cloak]

does it still Destroy mothers

or is it now a balanced weapon

[fallow delta]

Yes, if most pallets hit.
Hybrids need a headshot or back damage, as they have 150hp

[mossy cloak]

ok ty

Good scattergun nerf

[fallow delta]

By looking at numbers i like it, worse at giants than sniper, but still good boss killer

128dmg on a 120 target still means you need to land almost all the pallets

Oh yea. Headshot on big shooters too @mossy cloak

But these are easier.. their headshot multi was like x5

Hybrids was like x3

[earnest shore]

What was the damage before?

[velvet flower]

192.32

[fallow delta]

.

[frail elbow]

think I will only take it if there are fathers/ mass giants now

[fallow delta]

The big deal here aint even the damage, it's the ammo part

[frail elbow]

sniper is beter against hybrids

yeah that really blows

[fallow delta]

Now it is officially less efficient than sniper for giants

And harder to use

Only better if we are talking about bosses

[earnest shore]

Hmmm I mean its still a good weapon, just aint gonna be pick this for every case with giants\hybrids I feel

[frail elbow]

i feel like it was already that case tho :/

[fallow delta]

Before it was
Sniper 6.0 efficiency
Scatter 5.50

Now idk

I'd guess around 5 ish

And considering it is less consistent too, if giants are the issue, i'd just bring a sniper

Still good imo doh. Has its place as a boss murdering machine and n.2 most efficient weapon on giants

[earnest shore]

Also its a nice gun to shoot at clumped up enemies for stagger and kills, so it has versatility. While sniper is only for giants/bosses

[mossy cloak]

i prefer the fact that it's less efficient

at least sniper you still have to aim

scattergun is Brainded free kils

[fallow delta]

True, having it as the same efficiency as a sniper was not right.

[mossy cloak]

tbh i'd have prefered a bit harsher on the ammo

like 12 max

[fallow delta]

I think they did well, i don't want it to still delete bosses afterall

Good at them sure, but not full on delete

I never even saw a mother cause 2 teammates had scatter and blasted her out of the map

While i was busy holding hybrids (c2)

Turned around for 4 seconds and she was gone

[earnest shore]

Its a good change, nice to see they are actually addresing rsther than leaving it (*cough burst cannon R2 cough)

[royal lichen]

mommy killers didn't see any hybrids either right? 🙂

[fallow delta]

Nah. My ammo did doh

[turbid cliff]

Burst cannon R2 🤔

[fallow delta]

What a mess it was to hold 4 hybrids with a hel revo and 20% hp

[earnest shore]

R4... im stupid

[fallow delta]

Thank god you can abuse cover

And these guys prefer to go pewpew

[mossy cloak]

just use Foam 😎

get a foam revolver you hold them very easy

[royal lichen]

hopefully the patch fixed the "bot walks thru closing door, unable to phase back thru it" stuff, closing and foaming a door just to notice a bot is behind the door.

[signal fox]

I had some numbers wrong with the burst sentry. These ones are accurate though

Max ammo now is 269, with a 1 second delay between bursts.
44.8 kills per max ammo, 9 kills per refill. Takes about 3 seconds for a kill.
If a single bullet is missed or if there is any falloff, 30 kills per max ammo, 6 per refill. At least 4 seconds for a kill
In comparison to sniper, max ammo is 40, with a 4 second initial lockon and a 2.8 second fire delay
40 kills per max ammo, 8 kills per refill. Takes 4 seconds for the inital kill and 2.8 for each after.
Sniper doesn't miss and doesn't need to account for fall off

[fallow delta]

Does the initial lockon reset if there are no targets to lock onto?

[signal fox]

Yes

[stable pivot]

What are the ranges of the heavy assault rifle and HEL Revolver before damage falloff?

[fallow delta]

Hel rev is 10

Lemme check heavy

12 for heavy @stable pivot

I do have a document with all stats if you want it

[stable pivot]

Thanks

I thought that HAR had a much longer range but apparently not :D

[fallow delta]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Br_2A3n3YDO1v0Kld27KCLvwRYKJqjliyhntoT2NTp4/edit#gid=196815589

I'll leave this here

[stable pivot]

The Wiki says something about reduced damage falloff for HAR, is it true?

[fallow delta]

I'd not trust the wiki as much

Some stuff is not updated

[stable pivot]

@vestal mountain please pin this

[turbid cliff]

The falloff itself doesn't matter so much

The breaking points do

[fallow delta]

I always wondered what it actually did @turbid cliff

You got more info by any chance?

[stable pivot]

What's the difference?

[turbid cliff]

If you shoot at 10 or 20 meters and it takes the same amount of shots to kill, the falloff doesn't matter

Breaking points are distances where that changes

[stable pivot]

I see 🤔

[fallow delta]

Fair, even if pistol has 6 meters i don't notice it for a while

[stable pivot]

What would the breaking points for HEL Revolver and HAR be?

[turbid cliff]

Oh no pistol range is particularly ass

[fallow delta]

Sigh

[turbid cliff]

It becomes 1-3 at like 8-9 meters

[fallow delta]

Damnit

[turbid cliff]

If it didn't change from before

[fallow delta]

Back to hel revo i go

[turbid cliff]

And at a specific distance where it doesn't shoot the head off it can technically 2 shot strikers

1 far 1 close

Not really usable in practice

[turbid cliff]

For hel rev you don't have to worry about it ever

Not sure about har but didn't notice at normal shooting distance

[fallow delta]

Thanks for sharing

[stable pivot]

Is the range before damage falloff for burst rifle still 20 meters?

[turbid cliff]

Also for the falloff thing

The starting distance is where falloff begins, from there it's a linear drop to max distance iirc

[fallow delta]

The range is in that document. Check nerd stats - the X value @stable pivot

[turbid cliff]

Not sure what the min damage is but it's really low

[brisk gyro]

all these numbers make my head spin
shoot sleeper and they die

[vestal mountain]

Gib me a second

[turbid cliff]

Well it really doesn't matter in most cases as long as you can shoot well

Optimization is just a thing some people enjoy

[stable pivot]

I just pick guns based on their looks, and then out of the ones that satisfy the criteria (like having blue colored glow on the sights) I pick the ones with the stats that I think suit my playing style the best

[turbid cliff]

I usually drop in solo and start blasting with ones i feel like i might use

[brisk gyro]

stats mean nothing if ur not comfortable how a gun feels, hel revolver might be great but i dislike how it feels so i never use it

[turbid cliff]

One of my favs as far as feel goes personally

Sounds like a weapon, looks mostly like a weapon, doesn't blind you, sights don't take up so much space you can't see shit, does satisfying damage per shot

[brisk gyro]

sawed off

[turbid cliff]

And can pierce for that one little shit that's trying to attack while hiding behind others

[turbid cliff]

Shooters

[stable pivot]

The only thing I dislike about the HEL Revolver is the inconsistency between the amount of chambers the 3D model has and the magazine size

I am probably too obsessed with how all the weapons look...

[turbid cliff]

Also the case i just mentioned

[brisk gyro]

have a reliable special for range

u mostly use ur special gun anyway

[fallow delta]

True

I look at numbers cause i like to know what works best

But the sight on hel revo and how much it goes up for me doesn't feel great

And many don't care about mid maxing either

[turbid cliff]

Depends

[fallow delta]

Good old "if it works, it works"

[wary olive]

One cool breakpoint is that I think someone said that if you have 13% main damage booster you one shot strikers with the hel revolver with head shots

Can be useful

[turbid cliff]

Boosters don't deserve to be parts of conversations

[stable pivot]

Boosters deserve their own conversations altogether, not just being parts of a conversation

[fallow delta]

Agreed. Some guns become top tier as soon as boosters are included

Cause they go to 1 shot per kill

Quite unfaif

[stable pivot]

For example, the DMR becomes an absolute killing machine with any main damage booster

[feral token]

thats why boosters are rng and a grindfest

[turbid cliff]

Anyway all shit aside you'll still probably use something you like using for the most part

[regal thicket]

more like they're already top tier

now even better

one day automatic weapons will be good

[turbid cliff]

Probably not

[brisk gyro]

wdym, machine pistol's 50 round mag and 8 shots to kill isnt enough for u

[turbid cliff]

Not even an aimbot would have that efficiency in practice

But more importantly i like it when it feels like the shot actually did something

[last gust]

R6 feels like the auto rundown to me

all the auto mains got buffed

and the heavy assault rifle seems a little too pushed

not my playstyle, but I caught some streams that looked like call of duty, everyone had assault rifles both main and special

[errant vigil]

Semis are still cracked

None to them needed buffs

[vernal rose]

I still prefer semis over full auto primaries

[last gust]

same

as a DMR user, I think the nerfs were fair

and the pistol is still nutty

[slender niche]

i'll ask in here too, anyone did d3 post patch?

i think its broken, might just be my lobby/game

[errant vigil]

Revo is still one of the best secondaries imo

[turbid cliff]

using HAR myself

[errant vigil]

Especially this rundown where there’s barely any chargers

[turbid cliff]

i don't play enough GTFO to hit all heads these days

too many other fps games

[fallow delta]

For me it'a either HAR or shotty

Sniper/scatter only if the level requires it

[fallow delta]

HAR is basically a cracked pistol. Stagger each shot, auto and very efficient

Normal AR is just good all rounded i guess, but i prefer semis

[stable pivot]

I personally love burst weapons

[fallow delta]

Revolver's efficiency on small guys is top tier

We are talking around 80% more efficient than your usual if you headshot on strikers

On paper 18 kills per refill (small guys)

[grim marlin]

which D mission has a mom

[mighty pond]

D2 has no moms at all : )

[grim marlin]

wtf

lame

no dude I wanna fight one

[mighty pond]

Definitely go look around D1 then for the one on there

Very hidden

[grim marlin]

oh wow I love the text
"Whats between us and the exit?"
"Cant be worse than this!"

[grim marlin]

🤔 You sure? I played that yesterday and didnt see any

or you mean legit hidden?

[mighty pond]

I really hoped you'd understand the : )

[grim marlin]

-_-

[mighty pond]

D2 has an entire zone basically dedicated to mothers

[grim marlin]

OwO

time to play with bots

[candid olive]

bat is good

[mighty pond]

Yea have fun dealing with the chargers scouts too

[grim marlin]

amen

unironically best meele

spear users are just compensating for something :^)

[candid olive]

spear is bad and no one can change my mind

imagine not running while charging up a hit

[grim marlin]

you cant run and charge. Or atleast it slows you a looot

and I swear it happens way too often where I hit a head and it doesnt kill it

its so weird

Propably skill issue tho

[fallow delta]

It should

There is 1 thing that the spear may be good at if the piercing works fine

Holding a door with multiple spears

Or just a more newbie friendly weapon for giants

Otherwise sledge all the way

[candid olive]

gimme back my gavel...

[grim marlin]

Man getting Dune vibes now

[grim marlin]

😩 doesnt matter everytime I tell my group to sneak up to the giant for a sneak kill someone fucks up

we just snipe them at this point

so far all missions gave more than enough ammo

[fallow delta]

If there is a isolated giant i sledge him to death

Learnt to bait the hit to get a safe melee in

[grim marlin]

🥺

i succ at it

[fallow delta]

If you practice enough you'll get it down

You know about the dodge mechanich correct?

[mighty pond]

Ah yes the nonexistent mechanic for dodging

The thing they did but didn't need to do

[pale yacht]

Melee-ing giants is one thing that I learned over time instead of practicing. Just learn their hit animation startup and back up.

[mighty pond]

Moves you like two micrometers when you hit the buttons if that

[grim marlin]

I wish dodging was double tab

[pale yacht]

The sliding is useful though. Being able to run and dodge projectiles is always nice.

[grim marlin]

heheheh D2 with bots is

is fun

😢

[pale yacht]

D2 Extreme with bots must be impossible.

I don’t see how bots can help stealth a room with multiple mothers.

[grim marlin]

they cant lol

just tested

[brisk gyro]

ill take them over most randoms

atleast bots wont wake the room

[grim marlin]

they work fine with up to the normal horneds but beyond that its impossible

[mighty pond]

Sliding isn't the dodge mechanic though, it just gives slight reprieve from the stamina system while sprinting

[grim marlin]

also bots are immune to infection which is cool

[pale yacht]

Randoms don’t work for you? What levels have you tried with randoms?

[grim marlin]

they dont work for me too sadly

[pale yacht]

It’s not? Damn, had no clue. Rip me.

[brisk gyro]

pretty much all of them except for the last two, and the mother zone was easier with bots than randoms

[pale yacht]

Randoms on the C/D tier of levels are usually fine for me. They’re at least decent enough to not wake up a room, at least. Unfortunate luck for you all.

[mighty pond]

It could possibly be considered part of it, but the actual dodge system itself was the dodging backwards, left, and right a short distance

[pale yacht]

I still rarely play with bots, so I wouldn’t really know anyway.

[fierce laurel]

random diff

[brisk gyro]

bots cannot wake a room, even if they shoot

[pale yacht]

What did sliding do before the addition of pulse? I always remember using it as a sort of dodge.

Whoops. My bad for the ping.

[brisk gyro]

shooters aim for the head, so sliding can dodge their shots

[pale yacht]

^

[fierce laurel]

sliding doesn't exist anymore

[pale yacht]

I did it last night though.

Lots.

[errant vigil]

I mean it does

[fierce laurel]

well it does exist

its no longer faster than running though

[errant vigil]

Just doesn’t do the same thing

[mighty pond]

Sliding made you move faster if you spam canceled i5

It*

[pale yacht]

Ah. Didn’t know that either.

[mighty pond]

It had a faster movement animation for the first few frames so canceling them in chain would make you move faster

[brisk gyro]

but it does conserve ur stamina

so people still use it

[mighty pond]

Which is why you see a lot of speedrunners spamming it over longer distances

Or even just vet players

Since it was good movement tech

[grim marlin]

😢

wtf

moms are way harder than I remember

[mighty pond]

They haven't been touched at all

[errant vigil]

Just bring a scatter

[grim marlin]

Then I lost all my skills

Thats what I did lol

[mighty pond]

Your skills are likely on client

Which has a capping issue with pustules

[grim marlin]

🤨

[sterile isle]

moms are still the same as ever imo

[grim marlin]

😢

maybe I was never good

[pale yacht]

The mothers didn’t change, the scattergun did.

[grim marlin]

maybe I was carried my whole life...

brb crying

[pale yacht]

Rip scattergun. You will be missed.

[sterile isle]

lol just have at it more times

i'm sure you'll get it eventually

[pale yacht]

Snipers and scatterguns.

[grim marlin]

luckily D2 has one right at the start so I can train

[sterile isle]

there u go

[paper harness]

scattergun still double pumps moms

[grim marlin]

no

unless I keep missing somehow

[paper harness]

ok with like 2 hp left

I think post nerf we killed it with 2 scattergun and 3~4 helgun shots

[mighty pond]

Host and client experience for scatter are different again

[grim marlin]

for real?

[paper harness]

but I'm fairly sure if all pellets land, it should pretty easily 2 pump her

[mighty pond]

Client will do more per shot on an enemy due to the weird lack of the damage cap that host has

[grim marlin]

eh I propably missed

[mighty pond]

Just PtP things :)

Well, for enemies with pustules at least

You could go back to before the update as host and still not one mag mothers with scatter

Because the damage cap of the sacks worked as intended

[dark ingot]

so scattergun is still usable then?

[mighty pond]

Yes

Very much so

It still does more damage than the BC did in an entire burst

[dark ingot]

good to hear

[mighty pond]

It's basically an instant 6 shot BC

[dark ingot]

i mean it was one magging tanks so

[mighty pond]

And it does all that in a single shot

[thick burrow]

[paper harness]

lmao pretty much the same, just need to be slightly closer for giants and need to hit all your pellets instead of hitting half your burst and still killing a giant at 10m

[thick burrow]

Bring back burst cannon

⚠️

[paper harness]

no

[mighty pond]

They never will

They're too lazy to fix canceling

[thick burrow]

Bring back kiting

Fix a.i

[mighty pond]

Instead of making the gun consume all the shots on burst instead of one by one as the shots fire

Nah we can't do that

Just kill the entire gun

Seemsgood

[thick burrow]

Fuck no more shoving

[mighty pond]

The foam launcher consumes the ammo it charged for instantly, idk why they don't just port that shit over

Imo it's the easiest fix they could do for burst cancel

There may be some code related reason I guess, but even then it could be edited

[feral token]

dont need to fix something if its not in the game

what rundown was it removed?

[vernal rose]

How to fix burst cancel

[steep lake]

5

[vernal rose]

Make gun shoot too fast to cancel

E

z

[grim marlin]

well

I killed the mom

[thick burrow]

69

[feral token]

its only been gone 2 rundowns

[steep lake]

ramping damage seems like an ok idea to nerf burst cancel too

[grim marlin]

it... was messy as fuck

wtf

[feral token]

you all just have attachment issues

[paper harness]

or just make the gun shoot the entire magazine in one click

[mighty pond]

Oshi truu

[thick burrow]

don't call me out like that

[paper harness]

so you can't cancel

[errant vigil]

BC gone for two rundowns mean while rifle has been gone for three and was only in one

[mighty pond]

Literally Carbine can be cancelled

Macros exist

[regal thicket]

burst cancel with dtr

[mighty pond]

It will be impossible to prevent with a shot speed increase

[solemn wigeon]

Just prevent shoving while shooting

[dark ingot]

will shooting a mine set it off

[solemn wigeon]

Add a delay

[mighty pond]

There are other means

[thick burrow]

no

[mighty pond]

Y does the same thing

[thick burrow]

shoving is good in gunplay if you're getting cornered by an enemy

[mighty pond]

Escape does it too

Esc being the main issue for them fixing it

[solemn wigeon]

Just shoot faster to prevent getting cornered

[thick burrow]

what

[solemn wigeon]

:)

[mighty pond]

He's right Horneki

[thick burrow]

no

[mighty pond]

Just shoot 4Head

[sterile isle]

Just don't die ez

[thick burrow]

fuuuuuck you're right

[feral token]

dont play the game

cant die if you never open it

[regal thicket]

the only winning move is not to play

[vestal ridge]

we've been trolled

[sterile isle]

Warden needs a chat with you

[thick burrow]

I wish i never bought this game sometimes

[feral token]

too bad

you made your mistake

[thick burrow]

[solemn wigeon]

Now you have to deal with other french people

[thick burrow]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

[vestal ridge]

NO

NO GOD NO

[feral token]

anything but that

[vestal ridge]

Suddenly multi scout rooms don't sound so bad

[thick burrow]

petition to ban all french people from the server

[mighty pond]

Don't need to balance your game if you never play it too :)

[feral token]

[mighty pond]

If you never see the issues they don't exist

[feral token]

smh dont you watch the dev streams

[mighty pond]

No lol

[feral token]

yeah thats fair

[thick burrow]

twitch drops on dev streams when

[regal thicket]

unlock cosmetics by afking watching dev streams

[mighty pond]

Nah just afk it

Don't even hide it

[thick burrow]

me with warframe

[feral token]

new warden restriction for new levels: devs have to beat A1 (IMPOSSIBLE) (GONE WRONG) (NOT CLICKBAIT) (AMONG US)

[mighty pond]

Just afk the stream. 160p, muted, off in another tab

[feral token]

you can just make it audio only cant you

[sterile isle]

bump

[mighty pond]

You probably can

I just don't know how

And am too lazy to attempt to figure it out

[feral token]

in my professional moderator opinion

i dunno

[thick burrow]

imagine not using opera gx browser

[feral token]

i think its just in the quality options

[mighty pond]

Damn that's professional

[feral token]

i dont use twitch though

[mighty pond]

Soy you're the most professional mod I know, too professional even

[feral token]

so i have no clue

thanks

i try really hard

[mighty pond]

Calm it down, leave some professionalism for others

[thick burrow]

can you put that on your resume actually

"gtfo mod"

[mighty pond]

Yessir

[feral token]

jokes on you

i put volunteer social media manager on my cv

or something like that

and i got a job

[mighty pond]

Any job will be yours then, GTFO mod is a highly sought after descriptor of your skillset

[thick burrow]

[solemn wigeon]

A truly random timer

[mighty pond]

Oh my god Soy LOL

[sterile isle]

is this social media though

[solemn wigeon]

Yes

[thick burrow]

yeah this is

trust

[mighty pond]

Yes

[thick burrow]

gtfo media is instagram

[sterile isle]

[thick burrow]

gtfo chat is twitter

[feral token]

i doubt anyone looking at applications cares enough to check

[mighty pond]

We are socially media'ing

[solemn wigeon]

If chat is twitter, then whats generao

General

[feral token]

someone relate this talk to gtfo spoilers

[thick burrow]

i will media ur mom

[mighty pond]

4chan

[thick burrow]

facebook

only noobs use general

[sterile isle]

GTFO's future as the new Meta

[feral token]

oh god

[mighty pond]

Spitters have a hidden mechanic where we talk like this as a defense mechanism against them

[feral token]

the capitalisation makes it worse

[thick burrow]

tencent is owned by china

[feral token]

dont have to deal with the spitters if youre too busy talking in here

[mighty pond]

True

[calm vessel]

spitters get stronger the more me get annoyed by them

theyre energy vampires

[solemn wigeon]

:)

[thick burrow]

omg is that the real nyuna

[calm vessel]

no

im a fake

[mighty pond]

Horneki chill

[feral token]

its an imposter

[thick burrow]

down horrendously

[mighty pond]

It's just a sus imposter amogus

[calm vessel]

what other Nyuna is there?

[sterile isle]

oh no we've gone to among us

[thick burrow]

if i have to read "sus" one more time i'm killing myself

[feral token]

when will gtfo and among us have a cross over

[mighty pond]

The real one "Nyuna"

[thick burrow]

the real nyuna that kited r4e1's reactor

at spawn

with a 5 use medipack

[feral token]

he did what?

banned

[mighty pond]

Sussy baka

[thick burrow]

fuck this

[sterile isle]

when 10 Chambers introduces card swiping as an objective

[calm vessel]

think you got the wrong person

i never held onto a medi in R4E1

[thick burrow]

oh fuck you went into the reactor

[mighty pond]

The sleepers vented?!?!?!? 😳 😳 😳

[feral token]

i hate that the idea of sleepers coming from vents instead of spawning from thin air would never work now

everyone would just go sussy sleeper vented call emergency meeting

[thick burrow]

MY IMMERSION

[mighty pond]

Thanks respawn mechanic :)

But that would fix the crossover you wanted Soy

[thick burrow]

someone almost reported me to mod contact once for bhopping

good times

[mighty pond]

Meanwhile I don't get warnings for things I should lol

Built diff Horneki

[feral token]

i cant actually condone reporting people for that, but it would have been funny

[thick burrow]

i had to convince him not to

[feral token]

speech 100

[thick burrow]

i don't speak

[calm vessel]

evidence of Bhopping? thats an instant ban

[feral token]

typing 100

[thick burrow]

[mighty pond]

Lies you spoke last night

[thick burrow]

only with girls and cute guys

[errant vigil]

What do you mean he don’t have mic and never has : )

[mighty pond]

Shi u rite

Mb

[feral token]

what is this conspiracy

[mighty pond]

Must have heard someone else that sounds exactly like him

[thick burrow]

yeah it was goose

[mighty pond]

You don't sound like plant LOL

Good try tho

Also plant hasn't been in call with me and verbalized anything for like a week now sad guh

[thick burrow]

yeah we flirted yesterday

@plant

[turbid cliff]

#general

[nocturne flax]

Lol

Remove piercing

Like it works to begging with

Its like they forgot that piercing on shotgun its bugged

[dark ingot]

does scatter still onebrain scouts

[thick burrow]

yes

[obsidian knoll]

How big was the scatter nerf?

[tribal heath]

"It's 192>128 Max damage, for reference a giant has 120? Hp I think" someone said in gtfo chat, so u can still one shot all the big guys if u hit some of their head too

[mighty pond]

2 shots less, 192 -> 128 dmg, still does more damage than the BC did in a full burst.

Gun is still going to be dumb strong

[mighty pond]

It doesn't need to work if it doesn't exist 🙂

[thick burrow]

mapper when

[mighty pond]

read above

particularly the last two words

[thick burrow]

new tool when

[mighty pond]

never

only consumables

[sharp merlin]

Red glow sticks 🥲

[thick burrow]

lockmelters but you lock the sleepers

[mighty pond]

why have variety when you can just have puke green lights you throw out

[solemn wigeon]

Where orange lights

[brisk gyro]

d2 ext is back to being absolute hell, thanks for that one chief

[mighty pond]

good

better than the scan being a fucking joke

The scan was easier than all of the A tier scans

[queen field]

^

[obtuse surge]

its a certified 10cc moment

[olive shoal]

that scan was super free lmfao

Glad it isn’t anymore

[obsidian knoll]

Does the scattergun still preform well against mothers/tanks?

[thick burrow]

yes

the nerf didn't do shit

[sick hornet]

they really should have just removed precision

3x is insane for that much damage

384 damage on a full hit to bosses

[fierce laurel]

wait can the motherfucker still 2 tap mothers

[sick hornet]

not quite

[fierce laurel]

so three shot

[sick hornet]

close-ish though

yes

[fierce laurel]

basically it still does what it needs to do

how bout giants and hybrids?

if it can't one shot giants thats a big oof

[sick hornet]

it can

close range

hybrids you need to hit some head or back

[fierce laurel]

thats fine then

[sick hornet]

128 damage now, hybrids have 150

giants have 120

[fierce laurel]

the scattergun is still viable

it was hard to one tap hybrids anyways

[sick hornet]

yes

[granite lodge]

Well, the Burst Sentry being good was short lived. Now it is trash again.

[charred badge]

its still good

just not overpowered

[errant vigil]

yea it do be fine

[granite lodge]

tbh, I don't know. The increases delay makes it's damage output non-existant in many cases since enemies just run by or the floaters can just fly over them a lot easier now. Also the significant drop in max ammo means tool refills are significantly worse for them now too. That just sounds really bad now unless the auto sentry can combo with it well but oh well.

[fallow delta]

I had some numbers wrong with the burst sentry. These ones are accurate though

Max ammo now is 269, with a 1 second delay between bursts.
44.8 kills per max ammo, 9 kills per refill. Takes about 3 seconds for a kill.
If a single bullet is missed or if there is any falloff, 30 kills per max ammo, 6 per refill. At least 4 seconds for a kill
In comparison to sniper, max ammo is 40, with a 4 second initial lockon and a 2.8 second fire delay
40 kills per max ammo, 8 kills per refill. Takes 4 seconds for the inital kill and 2.8 for each after.
Sniper doesn't miss and doesn't need to account for fall off

From The Real Khepri#1111

@granite lodge

[nocturne flax]

I think yoyr just exaggeratong

[fallow delta]

Pretty much worse than sniper unless you care about stagger

[granite lodge]

sniper has piercing?

[nocturne flax]

No

[mighty pond]

No

[fallow delta]

Nope

But it has 50m range..

[granite lodge]

Then hm...

[fallow delta]

With the re targetting mechanich, that helps a ton

No clue how much burst has

[mighty pond]

This rundown isn't built for sniper in most cases

[granite lodge]

^

[fallow delta]

True tbh

[mighty pond]

Burst will still likely see more use

[gloomy lodge]

I miss my shotgun sentry

[mighty pond]

Auto will likely get picked up more now, but it was fine before

You miss the pre fix one

[granite lodge]

Yeah, really wish we had shotgun sentry again

[mighty pond]

That isn't a sentry

[nocturne flax]

You wont even notice the changes since you should.be shooting with your sentry anyeays

[mighty pond]

That's another person

[gloomy lodge]

true

lmao

[mighty pond]

Post fix you don't miss

[gloomy lodge]

nah

I find my runs using sentries to hold a separate direction most of the time

put an auto down on another direction they might spawn from, saves us the trouble of looking one way at least for the first 20 seconds

[nocturne flax]

D4 be like

[gloomy lodge]

I ain't done D4 yet smh

[nocturne flax]

I mostly use them inside, i always kinda did it before

Now you set up the room a lot more than before

Only time ive ever put it outside of a room.its like

C1 and d2

For like 1 alarm on both levels

[gloomy lodge]

I mean we still put it in the same room as us

but like, shit like the D1 class M and C1 final scan

you can't shoot with the sentry when you're required to not stand with it 90% of the time lol

[dark bane]

how bad the scattergun nerf

[thick burrow]

not bad enough

it’s still powerful

It’s like they don’t even know how to balance their own guns

[fallow delta]

Look in #gtfo-related-questions

@dark bane

[dark bane]

tbh idk why they nerf guns XD

if you think its op then dont use it

[charred badge]

bc scatter was broken

[dark bane]

use some garbage weapon and tada

yeah and?

its a PvE game

[fallow delta]

What kind of point is that

[charred badge]

imagine if CSGO kept guns in their broken state

[dark bane]

oh it can still one shot giants to the chest

nvrm im happy

[fallow delta]

Not all

[dark bane]

wow

2 shot for hybrids

thats gonna be annoying

literally just bring a sniper at that point

[hexed vapor]

^

[dark bane]

this is what we call "nerfing the fun out of games" imo

[turbid cliff]

just hit heads lmao

[dark bane]

there are plenty of other guns to bring if you didnt like scatter gun

[turbid cliff]

hybrid and big shooter heads don't break until death

[hexed vapor]

Dude, you're hard coping if you don't think the nerf wasn't necessary.

Scattergun was easily outperforming literally everything, especially for bosses.

[dark bane]

idk if they nerfed it for bosses

but the fact you can't one shot a fucking hybrid is stupid

nerf the range not hte fucking damage

[turbid cliff]

the original stats were an out-of-season april fools joke

[dark bane]

you be better off bringing a sniper

[turbid cliff]

and once again

you can still oneshot them just fine

[dark bane]

actually im fine with them nerfing the damage as well not to the point where you need to 2 shot shooters and hybrids

[turbid cliff]

🤔

[dark bane]

well wte worst case scenario ill just go back to the pump or hel gun

[hexed vapor]

You need to hit 60% of your damage on head to OHKO a hybrid, which shouldn't be that hard.

[dark bane]

well i'll have to see

just means I gotta think now 😦

they atleast fixed the checkpoint bug though right?

for D3 and C3

[mighty pond]

"supposedly"

did they actually fix it? Find out in game I guess

idk

[grim marlin]

guys is it normal that the mother in D2 on the left instantly wakes up?

I thought mothers sleep too

[dark bane]

no clue

have to do D2

ik the mother in C2 wakes up instantly though

[grim marlin]

its the left door at the start

ah then its propably normal

whack

[dark bane]

idk unless its also a bug

XD

[hexed vapor]

Yes, the entire room auto-wakes.

[grim marlin]

ah

uh

but like

[dark bane]

there a sound queue for it btw?

[grim marlin]

how would you know that as new person

[charred badge]

you wouldnt

it doesnt matter

shoot good and win

[hexed vapor]

You don't, you just kill it, ez, we first tried it.

[grim marlin]

🤨

[solemn wigeon]

Its about catching you off guard

[dark bane]

XD

[solemn wigeon]

[mighty pond]

yes it's normal

ah ray responded

I am slow

[dark bane]

just assume every security door you open from now on is auto wake

ezpz

[grim marlin]

😓 uh, yay?

[mighty pond]

it should only be select zones, particularly ones with bosses in them

[dark bane]

didnt they have a thing where a door would make loud noises when you opened em up?

should rly just have done that

or like that rly loud scream or wte

[thick burrow]

I don’t recall security doors having them unlike r5d1 with the tank shout

Unless i missed them this rundown

[turbid cliff]

only a few specific doors had that

[dark bane]

not this rundown but im pretty sure they had em in R4 as well

[turbid cliff]

R3C1 had that

[thick burrow]

R4?

[turbid cliff]

R4B1 had the morse code door iirc

it's all same shit

[thick burrow]

What if u can’t read morse code

[turbid cliff]

it's ok, you just have to listen to it

[mighty pond]

R3C1 you monkey Kaneki

literally mother screeching

[thick burrow]

immersion intensifies

[turbid cliff]

earrape intensifies

[thick burrow]

I asked about r4 you chimpanzee

[turbid cliff]

speaking of, i took a clip and forgot to post

[mighty pond]

R4 had the morse room ye

[gloomy lodge]

eh the D2 mom room is easy tbh

its literally just babies and one mom

unless you brought no full auto weapons

[thick burrow]

#gtfo-media

[grim marlin]

😓

[gloomy lodge]

but in that case you should have at least one scatter which still makes it a joke

[grim marlin]

maybe

[gloomy lodge]

:kek:

[turbid cliff]

why

[thick burrow]

post that clip

eagerly waiting

[gloomy lodge]

it's true that without preparation you can lose a good chunk of your health to babies doe

[grim marlin]

and bots

bots are awul dealing with them

[turbid cliff]

it's something i want to complain about, not exciting

[gloomy lodge]

oh man imagine doing D2 with bots

pretty sure error would be an auto wipe lol

[thick burrow]

@dapper dagger

he did it

[gloomy lodge]

:pog:

I bow

[grim marlin]

I kneel

[gloomy lodge]

actually

how good are bots at running for cluster scans

[grim marlin]

uh

"okay"

if they dont get stuck or bug out

[gloomy lodge]

oh error might not be that bad then

since someone said yesterday you can hold the entire cluster alarm by yourself with a hel gun and a burst sentry

[grim marlin]

🤨

[gloomy lodge]

the real horror would be doing 6 charger scouts with bots

[thick burrow]

They don’t kill scouts

Nor trigger them

So it’s you alone

[gloomy lodge]

oh

wait so for main you can actually just sneak that room easily then

huh

this sounds very doable all of a sudden :thonk:

[thick burrow]

unless you take cfoam to kill them, then yes

[grim marlin]

they also dont get infected

its amazing

[thick burrow]

but do they kite tho

[keen rampart]

Imagine needing to kite in this rundown

[thick burrow]

levels were designed around it though..

[hexed vapor]

Not really?

That's just how people played it.

[thick burrow]

false

[hexed vapor]

True?

[thick burrow]

based?

[hexed vapor]

At most error alarms they expected you to hammer the waves starting R3.

because that's how people had done it in R2.

[thick burrow]

sorry, i joined r6

[hexed vapor]

You joined late R4? Nice.

[thick burrow]

ok stalker

[obtuse surge]

why 224 gotta be one of the shit zones

R6 and devs still dont realise that putting uplink terminals in a triangle zone is a horrible idea

wave spawns less than 10m away from the terminal

[hexed vapor]

Permafoam bb

[obtuse surge]

i wanna have the door open

and not just see them spawn

and immediately charge up an attack

[hexed vapor]

It do be kinda dumb

[nocturne flax]

literally generated that part of the level

then forgot about it

[obtuse surge]

scr*w u !

sir 224

[nocturne flax]

ok grandps take your pills

[thick burrow]

hey what letter did you blur

[turbid cliff]

Cuz a certain someone has 224 in their nick

They're sending a message

[obtuse surge]

cacadragon224

( not witchhunt)

[nocturne flax]

they better reseed my zone

why gotta be the permafoaming one

[prime yoke]

so me and my pals just finished B1, and i gotta say, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

[keen rampart]

@thick burrow not a single was designed for it.... there was never a Situation where you said "here we need to kite, that is the intended way".

Based on my experience from r1.....

[thick burrow]

ok

[mighty pond]

ask Dragon, they made it after him obviously 🙂

his favorite activity is permafoaming

[errant vigil]

this is true

[atomic escarp]

why is d2 a charger scout nightmare

[errant vigil]

cause only two levels have them

[atomic escarp]

its d2

and d2 extreme flyer nightmare

why

[carmine gull]

thought d2 was pretty "easy"

mass fliers don't feel like a threat yet

[obtuse surge]

it was insane

then they made it very easy

and now i don't know what it's like because haven't tried again since latest change

[stark timber]

Hey. Can someone tell me how many balls you need to shoot out in the NEMESIS boss fight? (D1)

[obtuse surge]

5?

[stark timber]

yea

my friend looked it up

[obtuse surge]