gtfo-spoiler-chat

[mighty pond]

They spawn in spawn, just sit outside the respawn zones

[hexed vapor]

Doesn't super answer my question.

[mighty pond]

What is the question then

[hexed vapor]

Full team needs to cross respawn room, correct?

[mighty pond]

Cause where didn't particularly narrow it down

[nocturne flax]

i mean what do you want a super indepth guide in 2 phrases

[mighty pond]

Yes

But you can turn the alarm off first

[hexed vapor]

How?

[mighty pond]

Have someone go in

Turn it off with a terminal command

That's it

[lyric narwhal]

i guess were blind?

[hexed vapor]

Okay, so 276 has a command?

[mighty pond]

Uhh

[plain hollow]

never saw a message that the error can be turned off lol

[mighty pond]

I don't know the zones well enough yet

[nocturne flax]

overload error you turn it off after doing shutdown

[steady lotus]

289 is right near the tanks respawn room, and the terminal is in that room

[hexed vapor]

Zone literally right after the respawn zone.

[steady lotus]

is room289 security door a full team scan or not

[lyric narwhal]

?

[nocturne flax]

you go past the shadow alarm security door

[lyric narwhal]

isnt that where the error turns ON?

im so confused

[steady lotus]

what

[mighty pond]

We're double checking hol up

[steady lotus]

does anyone have the map of d3 lmao

[mellow creek]

hahahah wtf d1

[hexed vapor]

There's a terminal in the zone after the tank zone that shuts it off, yay or nay?

[steady lotus]

yes

I guess

[hexed vapor]

I have a flow chart, but it's on a piece of paper.

Huge map.

[mighty pond]

276 is a single man scan

[hexed vapor]

Correct.

[mighty pond]

The zone afterwards, 292, has the terminal for the alarm

[nocturne flax]

for overload error

[mighty pond]

You turn it off there, Overload error

[hexed vapor]

So that's what that zone is for.

[lyric narwhal]

ok that makes more sense

[hexed vapor]

Might still be faster to fight that room, ngl.

[steady lotus]

so, three people hammer the shadow waves and one person go for the terminal to shut down the alarm right?

for d3 high

[hexed vapor]

No shadows in waves, btw.

Not for high, for overload.

[mighty pond]

There is a shadow wave eventually

Just not for the overload error

[nocturne flax]

no shadow error

on overload

[mighty pond]

But yes, we just had three people hammer the errors

and had someone else do the other shit until the alarm was off

then caught up and looted stuff up

[nocturne flax]

Gotta catch up quick before fog gets to you

[mighty pond]

Ye

Fog kills runs, shit is hella thicc

[hexed vapor]

What's the time frame like on fog?

[nocturne flax]

@hexed vapor what where you guys doing originally?

[nocturne flax]

aorund 30 min

[brazen hollow]

Omg just did d1

[mighty pond]

30-45 min for mostly full coverage

[brazen hollow]

fucking goat level

[hexed vapor]

We've just started attempts, we just alerted the zone and fought it, and were trying to get through into 277.

[lyric narwhal]

theres so much shit to digest

[brazen hollow]

yea

[lyric narwhal]

anyway thanks for clearing things up

[brazen hollow]

😩

[hexed vapor]

@solemn wigeon Also, there's a fuckton of repellers, actually lied.

[mighty pond]

We were doing 277 after turning off the error

[hexed vapor]

We thought it was just permanent.

[lyric narwhal]

yeah it was like our second attempt

[hexed vapor]

And that we'd be fighting the tank zone twice.

[lyric narwhal]

we went straight to overload

[hexed vapor]

if not more often.

[lyric narwhal]

didnt even look at high

[mighty pond]

It just doesn't tell you the alarm can be turned off, but the HUD does show in the top left that you can turn it off

and displays the terminal info

[nocturne flax]

^

[mighty pond]

It's not in the O menu though

[nocturne flax]

we checking recordings and shit

[mighty pond]

Which is probably a bug

[hexed vapor]

Oh, maybe querying all 5 keys was a bad idea after all.

[mighty pond]

LOL

Maybe

[nocturne flax]

kekw

[lyric narwhal]

lol

[marsh pecan]

Alpha Two is the official name of 'the place' right?

[nocturne flax]

#gtfo-lore

[hexed vapor]

@mighty pond Tool recommendations?

[mighty pond]

We posted our clear screen in #gtfo-media

The mine person did the solo stuff

That's about it

[lyric narwhal]

is there a blood door?

[mighty pond]

There are in the reactor iirc

[lyric narwhal]

im guessing in reactor sequence?

[nocturne flax]

Wave 3 theres blood door

need a key for it

[mighty pond]

^

[lyric narwhal]

cool

[nocturne flax]

the entire team went together after clearing the reactor wave

[mighty pond]

mhm

[nocturne flax]

D3/D4 are the best levels imo

They were so much fun

[regal thicket]

d4 more like datacenter hell

[faint vapor]

C1 3rd data cube is such a bait

[tulip vale]

D3 PE looks like a huge pain

[torpid dirge]

C1 scout room can be dealt with via sniper with some timing aim and a sprinkling of luck
the more you know

[robust marsh]

why dont you just use the stick?

[tulip vale]

For that whole ||tank room|| near the beginning with the e alarms

[torpid dirge]

because i have a bad habit of triggering scouts when i try and melee them

[tulip vale]

C1 scout room can just be bypassed if needed anyway it's better to just whack it or avoid all together

[torpid dirge]

trying to bypass that room doesnt exactly sound like the most fun thing to do

[nocturne flax]

ptsss, bring a cfoam launcher

or better yet use the 20 million cfoam granades from the previous zones

easy kills

[tulip vale]

It's actually super easy to bypass the room, cause it's not an alarm and it's not timed so you can just wait it out for like 2 minutes

[solemn wigeon]

Literally never saw more than 1

[mossy cloak]

i don't believe you there's no way there was that many fog repellers

[hexed vapor]

At least 6 stacks

[mossy cloak]

burh i've only seen 2

[elder ether]

Do scouts react to walking or lights like other units or can I just wonder up with my beamers on high?

[mighty pond]

They tentacle

That's it

You can walk around and have your light on with a scout and it won't wake up

[royal lichen]

lights might trigger a feeling tentacle spaghetti run

u can even intentionally trigger it with a light to stop it somewhere

[elder ether]

Yeah but if he's walking and I light him he'll enter spaghetti mode?

[mighty pond]

Not always

[royal lichen]

not with a brief flash

[elder ether]

what about walking near him?

[mighty pond]

Tapping sprint nearby one will stop it

It's a rather commonly used strat for some people

It just makes it send out tentacles

Having a high power light on it like the LRF can make it stay in place sometimes, and other times it won't

[royal lichen]

two people walking to it might do the same, especially fun if one is holding a fog turbine and the other is charging hammer

[mighty pond]

It sorta dumb

[elder ether]

So I guess I can just light it up and walk up to it while it's retracting then. Just trying to work out how to get a clear shot on those pitch black areas

[mighty pond]

Nah, walking doesn't really do anything

[mossy cloak]

most thing that instantly wake up sleeper will make scouts start feeling

[mighty pond]

You can keep your light on, approach, and kill

It's the simplest way of dealing with it with nothing else around

[mossy cloak]

you can just sprint and then hit it

[royal lichen]

if the room is not packed, guns work.. chokemod / shotgun / sniper headshot, byebye

[elder ether]

That's good to know I always thought sprinting auto triggered them

[mighty pond]

It triggers tentacles

That's it

[mossy cloak]

if it's a single scout you can always machinegun/pistol/sawed off the scout

[mighty pond]

Touching and tentacles going red and retracting are the only triggers for waking

[elder ether]

Way less scary then I thought then lmao

[royal lichen]

even if it triggers and bends over, chrouch and bonk, u have ~1.5 seconds after red tentacle

[mossy cloak]

scout only trigger if: something dies too close/ u touch tentacle/scout

or if enemy scream

• gun noises too

[elder ether]

Awesome, ty all for the great info

[mighty pond]

I mean I guess I didn't list the obvious things for waking, but ye

Just take time practicing, I think B1 is the easiest access for it this rundown

[royal lichen]

b2 has one very close to insertion also (behind the left secdoor)

[elder ether]

Yeah might go in and see how quickly it reacts to lights and stuff then, get a feel for it

[brazen hollow]

does scout actually wake up to gunshots?

I happen to experiment that they dont

[faint vapor]

yes

they should

[brazen hollow]

arent they supposed to be deaf

[faint vapor]

unless they are beyond the detection range

[brazen hollow]

pretty certain none of the scouts wake up during the times when we just wake up the enti,re room

and there are 5+ screams

[faint vapor]

huh

someone is doing to have to test it

but C1 scout room is pain to get to

[brazen hollow]

yea

was it b1 with a scout in a singular room

[faint vapor]

yeah

after an alarm

which is not ideal but shug

[stark mauve]

as someone who got past C1 only just tonight, dawg. the scout room is shit

[atomic escarp]

If they don't you either opened the door they're in and shot while the door was opening or closing (it's a glitch) or they were too far away/in another room

[brazen hollow]

p sure these werent the cases but I'll pay more attention

Like we just straight up kill sth very next to the scout with a gun

and it didnt yell

[atomic escarp]

I mean if you killed him with that shot, then of course he doesn't get triggered

[brazen hollow]

no

we did not kill the scout with the gun

[atomic escarp]

Then that's weird

[brazen hollow]

yea thats what I am saying lol

maybe I completely saw it wrong, Idk

But it 100% feels different than R5 so far, with how they behave

[atomic escarp]

To me they feel the same

[brazen hollow]

Idk

[hexed vapor]

Overload has usually 1, if not more, sets in the first zone, and the reactor always has several.

[faint vapor]

the scout room is quite easy tbh

[mossy cloak]

one thing for sure is that we were in a serious lack of fog repellers

[faint vapor]

if you have a spear it is just hitting heads

and the room is big enough scouts don't overlap with their tentacles

[stark mauve]

oh we know it was easy for you

i was there

<3

[faint vapor]

wait, did I play with you?

[stark mauve]

yeah

me and trip remember

[faint vapor]

wow I have goldfish memory

[stark mauve]

you killed 4 out of 5.

iirc

[faint vapor]

thanks for flexing for me

🙂

[stark mauve]

yw

i cant sleep man i think i'll try my hand at the d series

[faint vapor]

but anyways, without sleepers the scout room is quite easy to do

[stark mauve]

you wanna hop on with?

[faint vapor]

maybe

I probs want to do C2

[stark mauve]

im just tryna suffer homie

i haven't even experienced shadows or tanks yet

[faint vapor]

D1 was quite pog

with 2 scouts in a room of giants

[stark mauve]

oh noted

[faint vapor]

not this rundown

last rundown

[stark mauve]

oh i didn't do alot of last rundown

A2 straight up just turned me off from the whole game lmao

[faint vapor]

R5A2 was kinda troll

with the overload objective

[stark mauve]

waiting for like ever in rooms so they don't spawn back and shit

[atomic escarp]

...to avoid a total spawn of like 8 sleepers or something

[faint vapor]

well that is just degenerative gameplay

yes it is optimal but it sucks the life out of the game

[stark mauve]

8 minimum more like it

• ^

[faint vapor]

I suspect that their will be scans which will force room to respawn

[stark mauve]

if that'll be the case in this rundown i'm fucking excited

i want more of those C1 scans though of this rundown

like the moving shit

[faint vapor]

I kinda dislike it tbh

make the circle bigger

[stark mauve]

i felt like the circle was kind of big already tbh

i was lagging behind the crosshair quite a bit with you guys for the most part

and there was still alot of room for me to get further into the circle

the concept is there though i really enjoyed it

mentally exhausting like everything else in the game but i'd much rather that than the cluster scans that loop more than shoelaces

[faint vapor]

I have not seen a king of the hill scan yet

[stark mauve]

how do you mean?

if you mean like

holding positions?

the exfil scan you do at most ends of the levels are kind of like that

[wild garden]

is the pistol overrated

yeah ammo economy is great but 4-5 shots to kill

[stark mauve]

pistol's solid bro

i think it's definitely for those who can track better though than the rest of us

[wild garden]

it's pretty hard to hit headshots when those naruto runners are running at 800km/h

[stark mauve]

^

[faint vapor]

I can't track with ads

[wild garden]

btw how to I get the "hel rifle"

[stark mauve]

this game has some of the funkiest red dot sights ever for firefights that you'll probably hipfire on anyway

[wild garden]

I don't see it in the special weapons tab

[faint vapor]

not present in this rundown

last rundown it was hard meta

[stark mauve]

now its the scattergun

[faint vapor]

It don't think so

[stark mauve]

cmon man you were there

[faint vapor]

the ammo count makes it kinda balenced

[stark mauve]

you saw me one tap 2 giants in that room before the 5 scouts

that shit is silly

[wild garden]

what about the DMR

TR22 DMR

[stark mauve]

ehh not bad

[wild garden]

one shot kill?

[faint vapor]

but each shot of the scatter gun uses 8% ammo

[stark mauve]

tru tru but the damage output is like. R4 choke mod essentially.

[wary olive]

pistol's strong point is that it 1 shot staggers strikers

[stark mauve]

• nah not always one shot

i dont think

speaking of the choke mod it got a hard recoil nerf and i think a 1-2 shot ttk increase?

[soft loom]

it's not a one shot always

it removes the head

[stark mauve]

i remember back in R4 that shit atomized everything but now you need the whole 4 shots i think in order to get just one giant

[soft loom]

if they are crawling then it one shots since you hit them in the neck slightly

[soft loom]

it's not bad, it's not good

average powerful low ammo shotgun

[turbid cliff]

pistol should oneshot stagger

unless they're too far away

[soft loom]

yeah distance depends

[soft loom]

but the scattergun is absolutely op

[stark mauve]

i feel like semi autos don't get enough love

[soft loom]

i like them

[stark mauve]

reasonably considering most of these things run faster than your bullets tbh

[turbid cliff]

on the contrary i don't like autos in this game

[stark mauve]

but still

they do NOTHING

[soft loom]

the autos aren't that great

except the heavy assault

[stark mauve]

SMG is the worst offender

its like your shooting popcorn

[turbid cliff]

the hs mults are ridiculous with 3x on strikers, 5x on shooters

[soft loom]

it's more of a spray and pray

[turbid cliff]

paired will all the visual crap and enemies staggering from one hs usually

[wary olive]

Did they increase muzzle flash? Tracking enemies in dark areas with automatics seems much harder now than before

[turbid cliff]

you can't spray heads

[soft loom]

true

[stark mauve]

RIGHT?

[turbid cliff]

lighting overall seems way more blinding this rundown

it's probably just part of that

[wary olive]

It's way more disorienting

[stark mauve]

fuckin flashbangs everytime i engage

[soft loom]

eh it's not that bad

[stark mauve]

not always

but in areas of heavy contrast it's damn near impossible to get a shooter from down range

[wary olive]

And who's idea was it to give the bullpup rifle a yellow spider web reticle with muzzle flash

[stark mauve]

everytime you open fire the damn thing's already moved from the muzzle flash

• the reticles in this game are bonkers

i love them aesthetically but realistically there's so much going on there i'd find myself hard pressed to not focus on the thing instead of my target

where's the classic 65 MOA surrounded by 2 MOA dot

need my eotech's

[wary olive]

Have you tried the sniper scope?

Big ass triangle frame covers 2/3 of your screen

[stark mauve]

nah i havent lmao

is it that bad

[dim sand]

i noticed this aswell the burst rifle has so much going on in the holosight its hard to tell wtf im aiming at

the best sight so far ive used is on the hel gun it reminds me of the short holos in like black ops 3 and 4 the elo sights as they are called in game

[wary olive]

im not the best shot, so its hard for me to track heads when they are waddling in and out of the scope with each step

cuz the frame is so fucking big

[stark mauve]

ya i see ur point

ryk are u available to play rn?

[dim sand]

what settings do you run the game on?

[wary olive]

no im about to go to bed 😦

[wary olive]

played r5 on med/high and have to play this rundown on low if i want more than 20 fps

[dim sand]

yeah the game on low is pretty nice for frames for my pc but it makes it hard to tell whats going on in some spaces/lighting

[wary olive]

from my experience, increasing the settings doesnt help with that

it just makes it look prettier, still hard to tell whats going on

[dim sand]

yeah might just be the way the game is ment to be

[heavy siren]

so whats on b2 extreme?

[royal lichen]

2 uplinks, 4 codes each

behind a blood door, each

[heavy siren]

jesus

[royal lichen]

but no error waves after finishing

[heavy siren]

good thing we went for main

[wary olive]

its not too bad

[royal lichen]

easy as pie

[heavy siren]

well we were 2 ppl

[royal lichen]

mine the blood doors, pull them thru the bulkhead, have a sentry and 4 guns receive

if you're 2 w/o bots then one needs a lot of tool 🙂

... or anchoragejc precision shooting (jesus)

[marsh pecan]

I miss the double tap

[grim marlin]

When do horned appear

I miss these lads 🧐

[austere dagger]

||D2||

[grim marlin]

Wtfff thats late as heck

🤨

[austere dagger]

they reserved everything for this last levels

[grim marlin]

🧐 wtf why? Kinda weird

[austere dagger]

and then they start spamming enemys

[grim marlin]

Enemies are like wine, you have to enjoy new types one glass at a time

Oh no

[wary olive]

are there shadows in this rundown

[austere dagger]

placing a ||mother and 2 charger scouts in the same room with a lot of other shit multiple times is more then|| "one at a time"

[grim marlin]

WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY DO THAT WHAT THE FUCK

[glass sundial]

Epic stealth moment

[austere dagger]

because its easy to clear actually

new shotty op

[grim marlin]

The scatter one?

[pulsar zodiac]

yes

good at giant killing

[austere dagger]

It one shots everything

[pulsar zodiac]

and kinda good at horde

[austere dagger]

It oneshot BG from the front

[grim marlin]

🤨

[austere dagger]

And 2 shots a mother if done right

[grim marlin]

Guess imma try it

Wtf op

[austere dagger]

D2 i would recommend

Taking it

[wary olive]

i think it 1 shot body shots scouts too

[austere dagger]

It does yea

[wary olive]

same with charger scouts?

[austere dagger]

It oneshots big chargers from the front

[wary olive]

wtf

[austere dagger]

But you have to hit all bullets

So very close

[grim marlin]

Is there a mission with an scout right at the start so I can test it 🤨

[austere dagger]

Ehhh you mean a normal one?

[grim marlin]

Yea

[austere dagger]

Not as i know

[grim marlin]

😭

R5 had one

Sad

[marsh pecan]

So uhh were the things on Shooter heads always yellow in waves or not?

[grim marlin]

They always glow yellow bf shootin

[marsh pecan]

I mean the growths on their heads, theyre usually black

[livid stone]

beholders go brrrr

[heavy siren]

b1 always has a scout pretty soon

just alone in a room

ive found a lone scout in a room in b2 but not sure if that was random
and the room didnt have shit, just a few supplies, dunno why it even exists

b1 its the room with the cell

[grim marlin]

so dumb me can trigger it because the spear is whack😢

yes i know exactly which room

[heavy siren]

i never tried any of the new melees i was sad my chad maul is gone but sledgehammer all the way

[mossy cloak]

spear is whack 👀

[heavy siren]

i wish at least previous melees became like a skin for sledgehammer for previous players or like overload stuff

[raw pine]

anyone got map for b4 c3 ? I legit cant find where to go

[sharp merlin]

R5B4?

[raw pine]

r6ofc

wait

fk

I meant r6c3 sorry

[craggy crane]

Bro

that bossfight was SO good

D1 is truly a marvel of a level I had so much fun

[raw pine]

my brain basically associate it with b4 cuz its practically the same stage

[craggy crane]

A1 - D1 gives me lots of good ol memories from before bulkheads and optionals

just one big level to go thru with multiple objs

but I also really like bulkheads too so don't get me wrong there

[grim marlin]

exactly!

[mossy cloak]

tell me another melee weapon that can kill 7 sleepers at once then

[grim marlin]

knife

[mossy cloak]

at once.

like in a single swing

[turbid cliff]

you're gonna laugh when it's removed next week kekw

and the fix causes some unrelated bs

[vital wharf]

When is C2 Secondary gonna be fixed so it's actually possible? it's been several days since the update released

[quartz drift]

Can only 3 man pass to D1? 2 veteran and 1 newbie, is it possible?

[heavy siren]

and 1 bot, maybe? idk bots been really carrying prev lvls when we are down on real ppl

[brazen hollow]

always add bots

we did it with 2 players and 2 bots just fine

[heavy siren]

bots are finicky with mines/cfoam so just take that and give em turrets

[vital wharf]

I beat B1, B2, and C1 with bots only, just give them turrets, carbine and machine gun

[brazen hollow]

yea lowkey, same

[quartz drift]

How good is this game’s bot? Like can it somehow somehow trigger sleeper?

[brazen hollow]

n

[vital wharf]

nope

they can't get infected by fog either

[brazen hollow]

bots are sleepers lowkey

wont trigger scouts as well

[heavy siren]

i beat b2 with 1 friend and 2 bots and we took the unit without clearing zone 65, opening blood door during the whole thing lmao

[vital wharf]

it's literally like playing solo but with 8 arms and 4 tools

[quartz drift]

Lol

[heavy siren]

oh yeaa this

they can literally be running back to your location thru scout unleashing feelers and nothing happens

[brazen hollow]

they also have aimbot

[vital wharf]

they are OP with carbine because they already burst fire guns as is

[quartz drift]

What about old rundown feature? Poop gate, black punch sleeper, respawn egg will i get a chance to see them?

[solemn wigeon]

poop gate?

[quartz drift]

A gate that have spike boy that can shoot

[heavy siren]

also bonked a scout today when she unleashed feelers for the first time, i usually timed it right before it would happen but this time i got thru the delay and killed her
but i did max jumped

[quartz drift]

Idk what u guy call

[heavy siren]

wasnt expecting that

[brazen hollow]

shitters

spitters*

[quartz drift]

Ohhhh

[brazen hollow]

Lol I gave a bot scattergun by accident

it knocked down the entire party

while shooting tank at d1

[quartz drift]

Lol the gate just look like it cover with shit and blood

[heavy siren]

like balls on the walls and ceilings thats spitters but spiky bois that shoot a lot of projectiles are hybrid

[solemn wigeon]

@quartz drift this?

[heavy siren]

oh yea blood door

hybrids

[brazen hollow]

hybrids

are acceptable

Tbh I expect a nerf on scattergun, shits insane

2hko tank is no fun

[quartz drift]

Oh no not that thing, but is it appear in this rundown tho?

[solemn wigeon]

oh blood doors

[heavy siren]

"does c2 have infection?" "nahhh not at all" sees spitters uh huh, right

[solemn wigeon]

All of what you are asking about are found in this rundown too

[quartz drift]

Ok guess i die

I just fought flyer on B2. Never expect to see them on that desert place

Atleast it is easy to manage

[wary olive]

are there shadows in this rundown?

[heavy siren]

i kinda like the funny progression of the whole level
im like, okay this goes to zone 65, right, alarm door, we dont need that, we need the blood door
approaches blood door
need key black ###
goes to terminal
query key black ###
in zone 65
"aww fuck"

[solemn wigeon]

ye

These levels have a lot more backtracking and detours

[heavy siren]

also ive never seen a blood door requiring a key before, so i was extra pissed

[solemn wigeon]

than rundown 5

[solemn wigeon]

Just you wait my friend :^)

[heavy siren]

also the whole c1 was like huge r5a1 but backwards vibe

[solemn wigeon]

C1 was great fun

not as fun as D4 tho :^)

[heavy siren]

yea, i actually realised why they decided for checkpoints to be a thing, after that last scan

[solemn wigeon]

It's the only time I ever used a checkpoint

I need to go rebeat it without checkpoints

[heavy siren]

also the whole c1 being flooded with c foam grenades not being luck whatsoever only occured to us after we wiped on 5x scout swarm

[solemn wigeon]

you didn't kill the scouts 😳

[wary olive]

do you think anyone does that part without killing any scouts?

[heavy siren]

there was an attempt to do it without cfoam

[wary olive]

and actually doing stealth scans?

[solemn wigeon]

Some teams might

[heavy siren]

we didnt even know u could do that

[wary olive]

not all groups have players that are comfortable hammering scouts

😔

[heavy siren]

we were like so thats why we are spammed with foam nades lets use em!

im learning hammering scouts but its inconsistent, like apparently it 100% works when it faces you

[idle socket]

C2 is possible

[heavy siren]

but if i approach from the back, its probably wipe and i should wait till it faces me

[royal lichen]

yea dont chase her

[solemn wigeon]

It's not that bad if you are prepped for it

[heavy siren]

real shit was following the charger scouts avoiding waking up the giants uhhh in r5d1 i think, that was stressful af
anything like that in r6?

[royal lichen]

or run past her when she bends, crouch and bonk

[solemn wigeon]

r6d2 charger zone :)

[heavy siren]

but the thing is

we dont have the hel rifle anymore

[wary olive]

some people are comfortable sprint jumping and bonking scouts from the back but thats something i would practice before trying lol

[royal lichen]

choke mod.. boom. gotta be medium close tho.

[heavy siren]

well that room is practically perfect because the checkpoint before it is easy

[wary olive]

there's a room with mother and 2 charger scouts in d3 i think i read someone say

[heavy siren]

for practicing scout bonk

[solemn wigeon]

To sum up r6d2 charger zone: ||6 charger scouts + spitters + objective||

[heavy siren]

can i at least see

no fog no pitch darkness?

[solemn wigeon]

you can see

[heavy siren]

okay im all for it then

like i hate not seeing shit

seems artificial

[solemn wigeon]

but you'll be infected and your vision will be moving lel

[heavy siren]

oh yeah i noticed that on terminals

its kinda realistic actually

[solemn wigeon]

also fog and darkness isn't artificial difficulty imo

[heavy siren]

but it just feels imo like that cuz if i could see i eventually can perform the hardest levels

[solemn wigeon]

like D3 Overload is all about ||rising super dense fog to force you to move fast||

[wary olive]

similar to r5b4?

[solemn wigeon]

you can see in r5b4 even if you are in the fog

[heavy siren]

but dying cuz i literally cant see where to go where to shoot, meh
its why i avoided r5a2 PE enjoyers

[wary olive]

ah ok

darkness is way better than fog though

[heavy siren]

i mean in a2 it was kinda both at times

[wary olive]

first run i had of d1, my team and i were trying to find the way to the big checkpoint door before lowering the infectious fog in that main room

and that shit is a fucking maze down there

[solemn wigeon]

where bio

[heavy siren]

bio was actually one of the least picked tools in my experience

of r5

[solemn wigeon]

how

it's one of the most useful tools in the game

[wary olive]

not having bio for mother

😔

[heavy siren]

oh yeah i joined a2 only to have fun doing high

i dont like the others

a3 pe was fun tho

[solemn wigeon]

b2 pe was super fun too

[heavy siren]

i didnt have time to try

i was doing my best to try deeper levels i havent tried before r6

[mossy cloak]

B2 pe 😻

[heavy siren]

and u know what, b tier in r5 is actually kinda boring
c3 is my city
d1 is my shit

[mossy cloak]

C3 was fun

[solemn wigeon]

Spitters + 9 GLP in high, 2 terminal uplink on extreme (starting error), 5 OSIPS + spitters + scouts + error from extreme + infectious fog for overload

[mossy cloak]

but not the Fourth time

[solemn wigeon]

the 1 hour speed experience

[queen field]

The "hey what door are they gonna fuck up this time" level

[solemn wigeon]

What

[mossy cloak]

what

[glass sierra]

my b2 attempts rn 👀

[mossy yoke]

WHAT

[solemn wigeon]

Bro tripping balls rn

[sharp merlin]

i must go to bed

it is 5

[cold epoch]

Happens to the best

[sharp merlin]

fuck spitta

s

[mossy cloak]

only to the bests

[mossy yoke]

happens to the worst

[solemn wigeon]

Fuck you

Don't bully my babies

[calm vessel]

Spitters? You mean moisties?

[cold epoch]

Everything is fine, we didn't make a level disappear, yet

[sharp merlin]

that's it. no more r6b2. it's gone. sorry, i don't make the rules.

[mossy cloak]

-1 extreme cosmetic 😭

[solemn wigeon]

Spitters are the best addition to the game

[cold epoch]

Spitters are a necessary evil, imho

[solemn wigeon]

They bring out the worst in people

And the chaos is fun to listen to

[mossy cloak]

spitters are fun until they glitch and flashlight doesn't work on them

[mossy yoke]

they bring out the best in people

[queen field]

Still no flamethrower

epic

Where is my "let's burn everything" level

[solemn wigeon]

You just wanna burn spitters

[queen field]

oh man hearing them cry in agony

😩 👌

[mossy cloak]

📙

[queen field]

📕

[solemn wigeon]

[mild sonnet]

Hey so how many tumors do you have to destroy to kill the giant tapeworm at the end of R6D1??

[solemn wigeon]

5

[mild sonnet]

OH

damn thats too much lol

[solemn wigeon]

I agree, the frames were tanking for so long

[queen field]

Ye

my game just dived into 20 FPS

what a glorious moment

[heavy siren]

ye dimension warp warps my frames as well

[queen field]

ye

absolute state of particles

[sage shore]

TFW: the wave form matter generator brings me to a dimension where the RTX 3090TI is outdated

[glass sierra]

LMFAO

[sick hornet]

@mild sonnet use sniper, its only 10 shots per tumor

[mild sonnet]

we were thinking of using sniper

although I dont know how ill play out with using sniper for the rest of the level

[sick hornet]

Our loadout for every level was pretty much 2 sniper, scatter, machine gun

With hel guns for D2

[broken zinc]

D2 is stupidly built. Litteraly ||the only hard part of that level is the mom zones and you can completly avoid it||. Like wtf.

[solemn wigeon]

Its not an entirely linear level

Its the first time we've got the chance to pick our own poison

[sharp merlin]

R4C2

[broken zinc]

Its barely picking. You have the choice between a very easy path or a hard one. Nobody's gonna take the hard one

[sick hornet]

You didnt do the mom room?

[solemn wigeon]

We picked the mom room

[sick hornet]

We chose mom room over the free door later in the level

[broken zinc]

Ils also like the dud in D3||(the respawn rooms)||. Cancerous idea, but you gonna be there for 10min then never go back. This is dumb af.

[sick hornet]

We did first 2 side areas and error

[solemn wigeon]

You are forced into most rooms, the only room you need to go to in d2 is the choice at the start for a cell

[broken zinc]

You shouldent, the forced alarm and free doors takes like 10-15min and are ez af

[solemn wigeon]

Does it matter?

[sharp merlin]

You can skip two zones for GLPs. There's like 6 more glps than you need, on the map. it's more explore the map how you like, rather than pick your poison ig

[sick hornet]

We were scared of whats to come from the free door

Seemed too easy

[solemn wigeon]

The real excitement of d2 anyway is the extreme sector lol

[broken zinc]

Well yeah, the level would be way more difficult if you had to at least go into the hard zones. Why not just give the choice between free doors with no ennemis and rooms packed with scouts and moms at this point

[solemn wigeon]

Because its fun

[broken zinc]

Again the extreme sector of d2 is alright, but that level is barely a D tier without the mom rooms and thats a shame. Got it first try

[sick hornet]

We failed extreme like 4 times lol

[broken zinc]

Its fun to be able to completly avoid the difficulty on an hardcore game?

[solemn wigeon]

Its fun to choose your own path every once in a while

[sharp merlin]

It's harder than the C tiers.

[sick hornet]

Idk about that one

[sharp merlin]

i did the mom zone tho

[sick hornet]

C2 extreme was pretty tough

[sharp merlin]

High, speaking.

or main

[solemn wigeon]

Im curious how solo players are gonna handle d3 pe

[sick hornet]

In that case yea

[broken zinc]

Yes, but give 2 choice equal in difficulty, not a free candy and a hellish experience

[sick hornet]

Whats behind the free door later in the level

[solemn wigeon]

Charger scouts + moms stuck together like glue iirc

[sick hornet]

How stealthable is it

[solemn wigeon]

Impossible if you are my team kekw

[sharp merlin]

some rooms are quite crowded.

[sick hornet]

Good thing im not your team

[sharp merlin]

Charger scout becomes quiet difficult

[sick hornet]

Did joe throw

[solemn wigeon]

Brandon i think

[faint vapor]

I thought solo play was ded

[solemn wigeon]

Its just harder

[sick hornet]

Not yet

[faint vapor]

For harder levels

[sick hornet]

For harder levels yea probably

[solemn wigeon]

D3 pe is gonna be a nightmare

[faint vapor]

Maybe their will be minimal player clears

[sick hornet]

C3 is just going to be deadass impossible solo

[solemn wigeon]

Especially with how thick the fog is

[sharp merlin]

Can someone spoil D3 objectives for me?

[sick hornet]

R5B4 high

[sharp merlin]

d3

soryr

[sick hornet]

Overload reactor shutdown

[solemn wigeon]

Main is reactor startup, extreme is PID search, Overload is reactor shutdown

[faint vapor]

Can c2 enjoyer spoil the c2 objectives

[sharp merlin]

oooh

v interesting

[sick hornet]

What does finishing overload do

[solemn wigeon]

High is distributing cells, extreme is retrieving a cargo

[faint vapor]

Cargo I assume is error alarm?

[solemn wigeon]

Starts an error which can be turned off after that zone, and causes thick fog to rise fast

Fast being very slow

[solemn wigeon]

4 hybrids every 45s

[sharp merlin]

Sometime can be giant

[faint vapor]

Humm, that's sounds like fun

[sick hornet]

So the strat is going to be do high first then use the extreme key huh

[solemn wigeon]

That too

[solemn wigeon]

Finishing high causes a 15m timer before a surge alarm tho

[faint vapor]

I wish for the simpler days where error alarms was just sleepers

[sick hornet]

Is extreme after that?

[solemn wigeon]

And the shutdown is a class 5 S alarm with guzzlers and shadows

Yes

[sick hornet]

Pain

[solemn wigeon]

High unlocks extreme effectively

[sick hornet]

The fuck is a guzzler

[solemn wigeon]

The flying enemies

[vital wharf]

i think they should be called scuttles

[sick hornet]

What is wrong with you guys, thats the name you chose? Lol

[faint vapor]

So you have to speedrun extreme after high for c2

[sick hornet]

Other way around

[solemn wigeon]

Blame Danny and Brandon

[sick hornet]

I will

[mossy cloak]

blame them yep

[faint vapor]

Ahh I am going to have to attempt it later

[mossy cloak]

C2 ext isn't too hard just have to go fast

and foam behind you for extra easy

[vital wharf]

yeah it's only 5 hybrids every minute -_-

[faint vapor]

What happens after 15 minutes

[mossy cloak]

4*

60 hybrids spawns after 15 minutes

[faint vapor]

Consistent spawn?

[mossy cloak]

consistent.

[faint vapor]

Humm, sounds like they really want you to gtfo

[sick hornet]

Yea

[mossy cloak]

Yea

[solemn wigeon]

We think its a surge error of sleepers

We only stayed to see what spawned initially and then dipped

[stuck cloud]

For C1 , what do we do to turn off the terminal alarm? is it a specific command to enter?

[faint vapor]

Someone is going to cheat invincibility to see what it is

[mossy cloak]

do commands

[solemn wigeon]

"deactivate_alarms"

[mossy cloak]

on the terminal

[stuck cloud]

thx

[mossy cloak]

it'll tell you the command to deactivate it

[broken zinc]

Nah its easier than c3pe

[sick hornet]

Bs

[solemn wigeon]

Just get @sick hornet to risk his run

[sick hornet]

C3 pe isnt that bad

[faint vapor]

So is c2 harder then D1?

[sick hornet]

Are you saying a free chance to throw?

[mossy cloak]

haven't played D2 so idk

[solemn wigeon]

Yes

[sick hornet]

C2 ext yes, high no

[solemn wigeon]

C2 high ez

[broken zinc]

You dont need to worry about this

[mossy cloak]

most level with side objective are harder than the later levels

since side objectives are HARD now

[faint vapor]

looking at B2 ext

[broken zinc]

Agreed. The difficulty scale makes no sense

D levels are a joke

[mossy cloak]

just wait for the 5 upcoming E levels

[faint vapor]

Side objectives for B2 is easy

[mossy cloak]

and the 6 other F levels

[faint vapor]

And free checkpoint

[sick hornet]

D3 seems to be the champion from what ive heard, havent really gone at it

[broken zinc]

Havent done D4 yet, but C3 is the hardest level yet because you need a specific strat to do it.

[broken zinc]

Its really not

[solemn wigeon]

D3 PE imo is harder than C3 PE

[mossy cloak]

D4 is very cool!

[faint vapor]

It is much easier to take extreme, do get the key+ res

[solemn wigeon]

D4 is more interesting than challenging

[mossy cloak]

ye that why i like it

very cool level

[sharp merlin]

C3 PE is a joke lolololol

[sick hornet]

How far are you guys now?

[dire notch]

I taught my team how to work terminals

Press tab to autocomplete

[broken zinc]

Not for me, D3 there is 10min of hard stuff rest ez. C3 is hard all along

[dire notch]

my IT classes are paying off 😉

[solemn wigeon]

C3 just requires you to run for a bit and you win

[mossy cloak]

as long as you run fast enough you should be good

[broken zinc]

Couldent play with kam and cactus yesteday so I grinded on my own this morning. Im at D3 but gonna break it today cause I have all the strat down already. Almost did it pe first try

[broken zinc]

Run a lot, for ppl who dont do speedruning at all and are taking things slow this level is gonna be a nightmare

[sick hornet]

Our first try last night we got smoked by the lightning mcqueens in overload lol

[mossy cloak]

"failed" getting pe in D3 once because we were at 4/5 of the objective and someone unfortunately stepped on the extraction

[broken zinc]

In D3?

[sick hornet]

Yes

[solemn wigeon]

Literally dont speedrun but ok :(

[broken zinc]

Dont go there yet

[solemn wigeon]

Who does overload second????

[sick hornet]

BaitCocks does

[broken zinc]

In D3? Me

[solemn wigeon]

Dealing with biomass surge in extreme

Shame the biomass surge was so boring tho

[broken zinc]

You can finish both before the timer start

[faint vapor]

Did they make a similar level to b4?

[broken zinc]

Finish*

[solemn wigeon]

C3

[faint vapor]

Ahh ok, looking forwar

[mossy cloak]

B4 but with side objective very cool

[faint vapor]

D to that

[broken zinc]

You doing the whole reactor in fog?

[mossy cloak]

Yes

in the fog

[sick hornet]

Chads

[solemn wigeon]

Yeah, its a lot faster imo

[broken zinc]

Must be tons of fun

[solemn wigeon]

The only foggy part is the first code

Kemw

[faint vapor]

With or without bio tracker

[sick hornet]

He likes C2 of course it is

[solemn wigeon]

And putting code into terminal

[mossy cloak]

very foggy very fun

[solemn wigeon]

Always took bio lel

[broken zinc]

So wait, the fog comes down after first code terminal?!

[mossy cloak]

imagine no bio 😳

[mossy cloak]

no

it goes down at the end

[solemn wigeon]

No, but you do it fast enough that thats the only terminal in fog

[mossy cloak]

after the first code the whole level is covered in fog

[solemn wigeon]

All the reactor zones except for 2 are high up

[broken zinc]

Hm, gonna have to try that out then

[faint vapor]

Did they get rid of fog turbine?

[mossy cloak]

there was no fog turbine.

[solemn wigeon]

Whats a fog turbine ;)

Overload first is the intended way anyway

[broken zinc]

We completed extreme first try doing overload second in our first serious try, I thought that was the way to do it. Oh well

[urban cypress]

What’s the C2 second objective?

[mossy cloak]

hisec cargo

[broken zinc]

Exterminate hybrids

[faint vapor]

Cargo

[urban cypress]

I know about the hybrids

Ah ok

[solemn wigeon]

Doing overload second means you have to do the extreme with the error as well

Thats cringe

Just turn it off

[broken zinc]

Its 3 striker

4 sometimes

[solemn wigeon]

Its an itch that is annoying

[mossy cloak]

strikers strong

[broken zinc]

Nah, its ezez

Litteraly have 1 guy with spear handling it

[solemn wigeon]

Just go to z292 on the other end of high and go turn off overload alarm

[faint vapor]

So what are your fav melee weapons?

[mossy cloak]

knife

[urban cypress]

Knife or hammer

[glass sierra]

im a drill bit fan

[thick burrow]

just don't turn it off

[broken zinc]

Dont have time to do that after main

[urban cypress]

I’m not sure if the knife can take out scouts

[solemn wigeon]

Sounds like a main first problem

[broken zinc]

And honestly idc about 3 strikers lmao

[mossy cloak]

😮 what do you like about spear

[thick burrow]

occiput, yes

[urban cypress]

Back of it and front?

[mossy cloak]

occiput.

[glass sierra]

it has a beautiful range, and it's a drill bit

[thick burrow]

not from the front

[urban cypress]

Got it back of head

Danke

[mossy cloak]

yep that's occiput

[solemn wigeon]

Real chads only deal with overload alarm for 5 minutes and then move on

[thick burrow]

occinuts

[faint vapor]

But that is super risky not worth, especially with distance of knife

[mossy cloak]

ye but knife cool

[thick burrow]

real chads don't turn overload alarm off

[mossy cloak]

if you scared of scouts use the spear

[broken zinc]

Ney, real chads deal with the error alarm all the way to the end no sweat

With a spear

[faint vapor]

Have you guys coordinated giant kills with knife?

[urban cypress]

Eh there’s fun in hitting scouts

[thick burrow]

yes

[urban cypress]

Nope

[mossy cloak]

not yet

[urban cypress]

I usually just walk around stabbing things

[faint vapor]

It is great for casual sleeper clear

It makes chaining kills much more fun

[sharp merlin]

D2 knife incident

[thick burrow]

if you can consistently aim for the head, knife is great for clearing rooms by yourself

[faint vapor]

Is the knife workable in active combat

[charred badge]

hardly

hammer gang

[urban cypress]

Sometimes I forget I’m not playing csgo when I’m holding the knife

[olive shoal]

hammer gang 😎

[faint vapor]

Where is the bat Gang

[thick burrow]

yes

[faint vapor]

Honestly I feel we are cavemen with melee weapons

[urban cypress]

Is there anyone who is a fan of the bat?

[thick burrow]

only virgins are

[faint vapor]

I liked the bat

Till I felt the knife

[olive shoal]

The bat can’t one shot scouts right?

[faint vapor]

Then I graduated from virginity

[sharp merlin]

It can

[thick burrow]

knife are for chads

[sharp merlin]

Bat swing is so weird tho. It feels a bit lower than usual

I missed a scout with bat because of it

[solemn wigeon]

Only sigmas use sledge

[urban cypress]

Someone needs to make a gtfo drinking game

[olive shoal]

Ah okay

[errant vigil]

melees seem to be bugged at the moment so none of them are good

[sharp merlin]

everytime someone complains about bots not being able place tools take a shot

[errant vigil]

Ez Clap

[sharp merlin]

spear swing is not intended, from doc

im guessing patch soon

mega bug patch

[faint vapor]

I swear sleepers get more melee resist when they wake

Or is that because I need to be more precise

[sharp merlin]

thats just knife and body

[urban cypress]

I had my bot floating in the air somehow

[errant vigil]

I mean more of I sometimes kill things and then I sometimes don't

[eternal acorn]

which melee is optimal for soloing

[glass sierra]

what level

if scouts -> spear

[eternal acorn]

hm

the spear does seem kinda broken

idk if its supposed to be able to chain kills like that

[sharp merlin]

not intended.

[royal lichen]

it's gonna be patched soon

[turbid cliff]

there actually is some bs with melees

or at least knife

full charge bodies from the front and you'll notice it still shows the 8 lines marker

meaning you're getting extra damage from somewhere

and for me it seems like if you alert them before hitting them it's gonna take 4 hits

if you strike the first time before alerting it takes 3

back damage is some wonky shit too

i thought you can't oneshot sleepers with knife to the back but sometimes you can

[broken zinc]

1.0 baby

[mossy cloak]

I'm having a hard time using the bat tbh

[obtuse surge]

if they remove the spear thing without buffing anything about it

its gonna be dogshit

please dont

[crisp quiver]

i think the idea is the long range?

[obtuse surge]

long range isnt worth no charge while sprinting and significantly less damage

for regular chest hits

[crisp quiver]

doesn't it do the most damage charged?

[sick hornet]

have you guys seen inconsistencies with melee as well? sometimes chargers die to the back, sometimes they dont

[obtuse surge]

no

[sick hornet]

is damage dependent on stamina?

[queen field]

Happened to me sometimes with sledge

Like orange hit marker but still alive

sometimes it works on the ass

sometimes it doesn't on the back

😔

[turbid cliff]

uncharged the damage is ass yes, but full charge it's big

[obtuse surge]

less than the "balanced" sledgehammer

[queen field]

Such a shame they removed the hammer skins 😩

i want my gavel back

[pulsar zodiac]

Bring back Mallet

[obtuse surge]

the uncharge being so bad is another reason why you dont need to nerf the spear anymore

it has enough drawbacks

[pulsar zodiac]

[turbid cliff]

the way it is now is complete bs tho

give it multihit but only on forward rotation or something

not 360 noscope

[obtuse surge]

why tho

why does the stealth part of the game have to be boring

[turbid cliff]

and this gimmick saves it?

[obtuse surge]

its a good thing

more fun

[turbid cliff]

just roll with knife

[queen field]

knife is way too funny

[turbid cliff]

charge takes 10 decades anyway

[queen field]

not funny against giants doe

[errant vigil]

I did a few tests in C2 on scouts with the knife killed it twice didn't kill it 4 times

[turbid cliff]

i think the back damage is really fucky with it

with everything actually

[queen field]

The main problem is hitboxes i think

rather than the damages

[pseudo pumice]

it's because the back multiplier varies a lot

[queen field]

Scout's shoulders just make 0 sense in term of hitboxes for ex

[turbid cliff]

yeah no

full charge knife to the head isn't enough damage

[queen field]

Also why'd the multiplier varies ?

Isn't it fixed ?

lol

[obtuse surge]

it always has

[queen field]

always was fixed or varying ?

[turbid cliff]

i'd guess the real rotation is a lot different from what we think their back is a lot of the time

[obtuse surge]

always varying

[queen field]

Never heard of that

[turbid cliff]

you weren't listening then

[queen field]

that's a first for me lol

[obtuse surge]

scaled depending on how behind them you are

[pseudo pumice]

yeah you have to be directly behind them for the full multiplier

[turbid cliff]

nope

[queen field]

in term of angle or distance ?

[obtuse surge]

angle

[errant vigil]

damn i do be in the same position and it don't kill sometimes

[queen field]

No wonder i had some janky stuff with chargers

[obtuse surge]

verticality matters too

[errant vigil]

Then I go all the way to the right and it kills

[obtuse surge]

which should mean that if you're very close to them, and the exact spot it uses on your model vs their model isn't on the same height

the closer you are the more you get fucked over by that

[queen field]

lmao

Why didn't they allow horizontal charges with hammer 😔

[prisma zodiac]

are you supposed to get double ported on d1?

like we got ported into the fight at the end

then killed it

got ported back THEN after 3 seconds got ported back onto the fighting stage

and now cant start

??

[balmy robin]

@prisma zodiac Did you have someone join your party during the game, maybe while you were ported ?

[prisma zodiac]

we had someone get a dc

while on the fighting stage

[balmy robin]

A similar issue has been reported on B1, same conditions

(player disconnecting / reconnecting while ||in another dimension||)

[mossy yoke]

after the boss is killed you are supposed to be teleported back to the complex, and that's it for warps

[prisma zodiac]

ok thx

[balmy robin]

If you can spare a couple minutes, post a bug as described on the #bug-reporting channel

with the logs of your game

ir would help the devs fixing it

[vast ferry]

I'm not sure if it's spoiler but anyway... A1 ending, teammate grabbed the matter wave projector and couldn't drop it (therefore couldn't help us defending...)

is this... The way it's supposed to be? The artifact of sticky hands?

[crisp quiver]

you hold E to drop

or whichever your interact button is

[vast ferry]

Thanks

shame, the artifact of sticky hands had a funny name to it

[spark tiger]

Hi on D4, is one person supposed to be teleport to a locked room? Or its a glitch

[regal thicket]

bug

basically you're one man down for the final section

[atomic escarp]

i foamed a door charged my hammer went up to the door cancelled the charge and it broke the cfoam

[wary cedar]

we relaized before while playing the game

bishop has now a bionic hand

I do not remember any of the characters having a mechanical limb

[mossy marsh]

isn't that just a torso skin?

[wary cedar]

maybe...idk

thats why I´m asking

[astral wigeon]

Yeah it's a torso skin, I was playing Woods yesterday and I was saying the same thing lol

[mystic bison]

1.0 Is awesome . But its so fucking easy (A1, B1, B2 high) 2,30h , not even one restart or checkpoint used 😭

[solemn wigeon]

C and D are significantly more challenging than A and B

[nocturne flax]

Love people bitchint at the difficulty of the rundown

Meanwhile in r5 was yo lets turn down the difficulty this shit its bad for newcomers

Im just happy theres finally new things to learn

[solemn wigeon]

Mr Limon where r6 review for end of rundown :(

[nocturne flax]

All the levels are hella replayable

[nocturne flax]

Working on it when i get home

[solemn wigeon]

Poggie

The levels are easier than r5 in general but they are significantly more fun

To play

[nocturne flax]

^

[solemn wigeon]

And i imagine with r7 that we will see equally fun levels which are also hardee