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signal fox
digital dawn
rly nice
keen rampart
If r6 is going out... do i have still my boosters that i have?
errant vigil
Boosters removed in R6 👀
turbid cliff
If r6 is going out... do i have still my boosters that i have?
iirc they said yes
glass spade
yes you will for sure
lucid pond
yo what does the influx protocol do?
dreamy bramble
removes all fog on the map
solemn wigeon
Activates all the hsus in kds deep 1
gleaming cedar
Unlocks Rundown 6
mellow creek
unlock new kids
barren goblet
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warm coral
Next Rundown when?
mossy cloak
SoonTM
forest horizon
before its ready, probably
glass spade
confirmed before 2022
lofty sun
Soon ™️
keen rampart
When a developer says "soon" it must be soon
next stag
i hope they can fix matchmaking, including reopening a slot for matchmaking first before launching a new rundown
queen field
you can replace "matchmaking" by anything else and it'd still work
yes i'm answering a 2d old post 😳
sick hornet
😳
charred igloo
yo guys the join code should be there when you hit escape in the middle of the game right?
solemn wigeon
Ye
quaint yarrow
how many charged melee hits to kill charger scout?
hexed vapor
Two.
Both to the back, preferebly, but you only need 50% more damage overall.
If host is one of the people hammering, it's apparently most reliable for the host to wait to see the other hammer swing go through.
quaint yarrow
but you don't necessarily need to have hits in the back?
The host thing makes sense though, thank you @hexed vapor
hexed vapor
You need 50% extra damage from the back multiplier w/ two people.
Practically, you really want to just both go for the back.
tiny hornet
sorry if this has already been asked, but will we get new enemies in r6? 👀
turbid cliff
We really should but it hasn't been explicitly confirmed
nocturne flax
sorry if this has already been asked, but will we get new enemies in r6? 👀
I dunno man its been 2 years
thick burrow
sorry if this has already been asked, but will we get new enemies in r6? 👀
There have been no mentions of it in the roadmap, but there’s still hope 
nocturne flax
surprise really do be taking long
turbid cliff
Business as usual
signal fox
Snatcher when 👀
lofty sun
What enemies?
hexed vapor
How do people feel about GTFO's difficulty?
How hard would you say each rundown is and where do you think the difficulty should be?
I'd probably say R1 and R3 were around the same and the easiest, R2 and R4 were harder by roughly the same amount, while R5 is clearly the hardest rundown.
turbid cliff
No way R3 was as easy as R1
hexed vapor
R1 and R4 were also the least balanced rundowns, tiers could be pretty inconsistent and layers in R4 were clearly not has hard as they were meant to be.
Eh, I think R3 was pretty easy all-in-all.
mortal granite
it's still depend on people
turbid cliff
What do you factor in here
Player skill relative to difficulty?
Judge based on hardest levels?
hexed vapor
A general comparison of tier by tier on average, considering the actual threats posed rather than how well-adapted players were.
Like, R4 definitely felt a bit easy while R2 felt quite hard, but objectively they're probably quite comparable on most tiers.
hexed vapor
Yep.
turbid cliff
How do you come to that conclusion
turbid cliff
Those don't say shit for many reasons kekw
mortal granite
player are too unpredictable
sometime we so shit at gaming
sometime we're good at it
novel basalt
Rundown 2 was the easiest rundown, especially the E tier level
hexed vapor
How do you come to that conclusion
So, I think the objectives on the A, B, and C tiers were comparably straightforward. A tier doesn't put a lot in your way. B tier puts stuff in your way but it's easy to deal with if you know what you're doing. C tier has a few challenges and you can get bad alerts, but it's still not a big deal with experience.
turbid cliff
For starters the base difficulty before any level-specific factors went up considerably
hexed vapor
Potentially, standing your ground in R3 is kind of hard.
Dunno if it's that hard, though.
turbid cliff
Without that, there's more mechanics for you to deal with, especially errors for that rundown since that not only didn't exist but there it was with harder enemies
And ignoring that too the difficulty is still higher since baseline alarm scan count and similar shit went up
hexed vapor
I guess it doesn't really feel that way to me just because permafoam trivializes those changes....
I disagree on the error a bit, we had extraction alarms already and it's only noteworthy on R3C1. I view R3D1 more-so as "there's actually a D tier now."
More scouts as well, though.
So sure, I can grant that R3 was a step above R1, just because R1 was pitting so little against you. R3 had some challenges too, at least for those tiers, in A3 and B2, and the enums on C1 meant the enemy density was cracked.
turbid cliff
Some sort of logical fallacy on your part
hexed vapor
Oh no, do I have to come to terms with the fact that R3 and R2 might be of comparable difficulty?
Oh God, they are.
Nostalgia lost forever.
turbid cliff
Ok I'm back
Anyway
You seem to look at difficulty in terms of the easiest way to deal with things
It twists things a lot, since some shit can make things impossible to make harder
hexed vapor
I conceded, tho.
turbid cliff
Say granny spawn cap strikers in R1 = 0 difficulty on any combat
Or permafoam, or cheese, or whatever other strats
Meanwhile from dev view it's balanced around intended gameplay
An increase to them may make 0 difference to you
hexed vapor
Seems true enough.
turbid cliff
From what i see the difficulty has not gone down between rundowns since the game came out
hexed vapor
Ehhh, R2 and R3 are at least equal if R2 wasn't harder.
I think I'd argue R4 maintains the status quo excluding E tier.
turbid cliff
If you only look at the hardest levels and not per-tier
hexed vapor
No, I think that applies per tier.
R2's D tier was pretty rough in PuGs, and so was R3D1.
turbid cliff
I guess we don't really have a sample size but let me try to make my statement easier to understand
R3 D tier is not easier than R2 D tier
hexed vapor
I know, I'd put them roughly equal.
So I'd amend my take to the game being easiest in R1, we got a spike up to R2, that was maintained throughout R3 and R4 where it didn't really get harder per tier (cept E tier), and now R5 is another difficulty spike.
hexed vapor
That would actually explain why R3 felt so bad, tbh.
turbid cliff
Well now we've already gone numb to it but R5 overdid it imo
hexed vapor
People got really good at R1, R2 gave us what we wanted, we got really good at R2, R3 didn't do it for us (and also only had two harder levels).
hexed vapor
Well now we've already gone numb to it but R5 overdid it imo
Maybe, but I feel like R5's difficulty might be where the game should be. I think the main worry is the new B tier difficulty keeping newbies out, but I don't think the wall you can hit is that bad?
I could see turning it down a bit, or at least allowing for a wider variance.
turbid cliff
A B and C tiers all seemed harder than they should be to me, at least on release since i didn't pay attention later
hexed vapor
Are you focusing on the main objectives here, or are your concerns with the layers?
turbid cliff
Main only
The rundowns all rotate but veterans should always be able to faceroll at least A and B tier, and C tier (at least without layers)
Which also means there's that much less content
And when you're only a newbie for one rundown if you play seriously, those tiers seem like a waste of effort
I still think there needs to either be difficulty system or layers that instantly make the game hard even on A tier
Difficulty system doesn't have to be automated, it can be like doom master levels
digital dawn
I always find it hard to compare the difficulties in this game, even just between two levels sometimes or just objectives.
For example, depending if your team knows how to deal with certain enemies/situations, the difficulty can vary by quite a bit.
If you can deal with a mother, R5A2 Overload isn't that bad and R5A3 Overload could kill the same group if they just start to panic in fog or aren't as good at stealth. But most ppl would probably still say that A2 OV is harder than A3 OV obviously.
Same with groups who have good aim but don't know much about dealing with normal alarms. Those teams will have an easier time in reactors and probably struggle in levels like R4D2 where you just do alarm after alarm.
Im also not a big fan of just saying: "Well level A has more/higher alarms than level B, so it must be more difficult." There are so many factors that can change the difficulty, even stuff your own team doesn't think about at all.
turbid cliff
That's why factors exist
Or in this case more like subjective vs objective
Yes you might filter out important shit but there's no conversation to be had otherwise
digital dawn
Ok but what would you call the "objective difficulty" of a level?
Just the amount of enemies + resources that can be found + potential enemies if you shoot everything during alarms (so alarm types)?
And yeah the discussion doesn't make sense if you argue like me ^^
Just wanted to add my thoughts
turbid cliff
That's a convo of its own and not something to discuss on phone
Should ask for a dev blog on that when they start doing those
digital dawn
oh yeah would love that
just the balancing decisions in general, would be pretty interesting
hexed vapor
Main only
The rundowns all rotate but veterans should always be able to faceroll...
My opinion of C tier is that it should be a pretty hard tier. Not that hard, but it should still be a little challenging for veterans, especially when it's looking like the bulk of the content is always going to be on the B and C tiers. The wider tiers should provide a sizeable chunk of both the easy-leaning and hard-leaning content.
I don't agree with the idea that hitting walls sooner is necessarily a bad thing for newer or just worse players. They are going to hit a wall no matter what. What I think matters more is that new players have enough content to play through each rundown, and I think the wider A tier we see each rundown as well as the easier extreme objectives we see on the A and B tiers gives people a lot to do. Even on B tier, it's harder than usual but it's manageable, especially since the base levels are somewhat short. If the current B tier is between previous B and C tiers, that's probably the sweet spot for something a new player can do that sits between the easy and hard content in GTFO.
turbid cliff
Depends where you see the gap between tiers
Is the gap from C to E so low that if you beat E tier, C should still be a challenge?
The challenge in C would come from having to deal with shit you haven't dealt with in the previous rundown, something unique to it
But that's something that won't last forever
Heck early access is supposed to be when things change the most and it's not that different
It'll just become more and more same but different from here
hexed vapor
All of that said, I could see the B tier getting shaved down a little. It could be easier, or at least less demanding, without the leap the C tier being that jarring. I think B3 this rundown is the clearest example of a level wanting a lot from people who probably aren't that organized or comfortable working under pressure, not to mention having three different B tier levels with hard combat really narrows your options for ways to be good at the game.
hexed vapor
Is the gap from C to E so low that if you beat E tier, C should still be a chall...
For the record, even though C tier can be challenging I still don't think it's much that difficult.
It's much harder to wipe on C tier than D tier for people who actually know their shit, the main objectives don't even make you do that much.
turbid cliff
What can i say when my life is playing undermanned
Duo R4 C tier felt easier than duo R5 B tier
Looking at some levels specifically
hexed vapor
Tbf, R4 was quite duo friendly while R5 is not.
Although it doesn't sound that bad now that I think about it?
hexed vapor
Lol
How do you feel about layers?
I'd say they're in a great state overall, and probably balanced correctly.
rotund ether
c2 ext is a bit long tho
hexed vapor
Yeah, the length issue is still a problem.
rotund ether
it could be its own seperate level
hexed vapor
I wish they'd take their longer reactors and alternate between easier terminal code waves and harder free codes. Would make the reactor actually difficult since you can't just defend some dumb funnel while making the trivial waves more about getting the code.
subtle dagger
wait that would actually be rly cool
atomic escarp
What about error waves during code finding but stealth zones are a tad bit more lenient on spawns
subtle dagger
instead of having to differentiate between a 'hard reactor' like r4d1 vs an 'easy' reactor like r2a3
maybe more like r4e1ex where 1-4 were easier and 5-6 were a bit harder
hexed vapor
This is the one thing that R2D2 did right that made R4D1 such a disappointment. Sure, long ass reactor, but the free codes meant it was way harder if you did stupid shit like defending that catwalk or the area by the stairs. I have no idea why it wasn't obvious that every reactor with back waves needs to have free codes if you want people to defend the reactor.
subtle dagger
i think having to switch between holds like that was pretty interesting
hexed vapor
I do think the R4E1 reactor design is really good too, and it's no surprise that R5D2 repeats it.
atomic escarp
A reactor that increasingly opens more spawn points 🤔
subtle dagger
id like to see a reactor that forces players out of a set hold honestly
hexed vapor
You can sort of mix it if you want by making the free codes always have back waves and make the terminal codes always from elevator zone w/ too little time.
You there for R2D2, though, yeah?
atomic escarp
A reactor that forces players to split up 😩
hexed vapor
A reactor that forces players to split up 😩
Based
subtle dagger
r4d1's last wave with the alarm was pretty nice bc some groups would hold by scan door, but it was mostly a precautionary measure
subtle dagger
You there for R2D2, though, yeah?
yea though i honestly dont remember much of it
subtle dagger
i had a good group for it and only did it in like a try or 2 unfortunately
atomic escarp
But no, I'd like to see how they pull of an optional layer mid-reactor with 20-30 minutes before wave start
subtle dagger
i was mia for most of r2 except day 1 and last week
hexed vapor
Duo partner and I were fuckin' set on duo carrying that level almost every day.
hexed vapor
But no, I'd like to see how they pull of an optional layer mid-reactor with 20-3...
I do think that would be cool, that's actually what I hoped R4D1 would do before it disappointed me.
subtle dagger
though bc i was low on time for e1 i was stressed tf out trying to get a pub that wouldnt cheese it
i think i generally just miss the time before boosters and layered difficulty lol
simpler times
atomic escarp
I didn't even get to complete R2D2, nor any E-tier because pubs always posted kwtd
subtle dagger
yea i was lucky enough to get a welcoming pub
queen storm
What is kwtd?
subtle dagger
though i remember running into quite a few kwtd pubs and i felt too bad to lie and say i wasnt familiar with the level lol
atomic escarp
Know what to do
subtle dagger
know what to do
hexed vapor
R2D2 was really unique in my eyes because of how free codes changed the way it played. It was a God awful strategy to defend anywhere else, because you had to move around constantly and it fucked both your remaining time and mobility while defending. The waves were easy enough that you should just always defend reactor, 2 on bridge 2 in reactor reacting to back spawns.
dreamy bramble
lol we just defended wherever we happened to be
it was kinda dumb but it was fun to improvise
queen storm
Was it the first reactor level where you had to fetch the codes?
hexed vapor
Yep.
atomic escarp
Yes
subtle dagger
i personally rly like levels that force improvisation, but i dont think itll be widely accepted lol
queen storm
It was pretty fun from what I remember
hexed vapor
I remember hating reactors with a passion, because R1C1 was so braindead.
subtle dagger
like kwtd runs like r4e1 and r5e1 are cool and all but like
i always like a bit of chaos lol
hexed vapor
And then R2D2 came along to make it all better.
subtle dagger
yea i remember a lot of people hating r1c1
atomic escarp
i always like a bit of chaos lol
Like R4B2 PE?
atomic escarp
I fucking loved how chaotic that level was
turbid cliff
Slow and repetitive af, the first reactor
queen storm
i always like a bit of chaos lol
The best runs are the ones where you fuck up throughout the whole level but somehow still beat it
atomic escarp
And how most pubs I was in are unprepared to do shit quickly
subtle dagger
towards ext it kinda felt like it was getting a bit more kwtd after the strats got more refined
hexed vapor
Slow and repetitive af, the first reactor
Two shotgun sentries kill all but two enemies.
turbid cliff
Maybe a surge reactor would be more fun combat
subtle dagger
lol yea hold near spawn and just have 1 person afk putting in codes every few minutes
hexed vapor
You could repeat at least two waves and be fine, too.
subtle dagger
imagine qol mod where you could drop stuff in lockers during r1c1 LOL
subtle dagger
one of the people i played the most with back in r1 could never hack locks
so i ended up spending a lot of time hacking locks back then
i dont miss that..
atomic escarp
Locks aren't real
hexed vapor
New hacking minigame when?
Look, I'm pretty good at stackers now, but there are so many more arcade games out there.
atomic escarp
Rythm game-esque uplink : ^ )
subtle dagger
tetris hacking 
hexed vapor
I can't believe they scrapped the pre-alpha hacking minigame, that looked neat af.
Hopefully they remake it.
nocturne flax
To add to the reactor part
In r4d1 enemies would actually reach you post ext
Then they added sniper sentry and hel revo
hexed vapor
Shotgun sentry 2, bb
hexed vapor
Pre-fix and sniper sentry have comparable damage.
nocturne flax
Yeah because both did 20
Lobby bug be damn itthing had pump shotty stats thats all
hexed vapor
120 damage vs. 80 damage, not factoring in shotgun sentry inaccuracy.
40 shots max, 8 shots per tool.
We basically got shotgun sentry back with more range and a worse RoF.
atomic escarp
And no AOE
nocturne flax
Shotguns entry could oneshot giants on the back tho if remember well ||or mandela be hitting different||
turbid cliff
When you remember that all sentries have complete trash accuracy
hexed vapor
The "stealth" kill was a two-shot, no?
turbid cliff
Ss included, even before you factor in spread
nocturne flax
When you remember that all sentries have complete trash accuracy
Gotta shoot the invisi head first
turbid cliff
They're just polite and want to get rid of those flies zipping around their heads
turbid cliff
Shotguns entry could oneshot giants on the back tho if remember well ||or mandel...
Full hammer and shotgun backshot
Not straight oneshot
atomic escarp
I miss seeing hit markers from sentries on the side of your screen so you know your sentry was doing something
turbid cliff
I miss seeing hit markers from sentries on the side of your screen so you know y...
You still can hear them doing something, which is mostly just using tool ammo
nocturne flax
I widh the devs would tell us what they want to do wirh heavy weaponry
Cuz that shit been wack the las 2 ru downs
And they dont seem to stop lmao
hexed vapor
Hell, in R2 they nerfed back damage for sentries and shotgun sentry was still busted, so you know that sniper sentry (besides AoE) is strong.
nocturne flax
Well yeah, 1 accurate high damafe bullet vs unpredictable pellet spread
Imo sniper sentry needs a even slower rate of fire
turbid cliff
Hell, in R2 they nerfed back damage for sentries and shotgun sentry was still bu...
They did nerf it but we much later found out it was unnerfed
Question is when did that happen
If not immediately kekw
hexed vapor
They gotto buff shotgun sentry back to its former glory, at least a little.
turbid cliff
How about fix accuracy first
hexed vapor
That's kind of a perk on SS, tho.
turbid cliff
It'd be basically 4x damage buff already if it aimed for the meatiest part instead of somewhere where it'll hit one pellet on enemy on average
turbid cliff
Right i did see that after i came back but it was 50 messages into reactors then
I give 0 fucks cuz to me there's a much more fundamental problem with layers before their balancing comes into play
Kinda like boosters
hexed vapor
Oh?
turbid cliff
And i think I've talked about it before somewhere in here
Many times actually
My opinion of them hasn't changed since they were first introduced, i.e. when we went from knowing only something on the roadmap about "optional difficulty" to this shit
Without any talks beforehand ofc because why would devs talk to the community
hexed vapor
I don't quite remember your take.
All that really comes to mind is the pretty common length complaint.
turbid cliff
#1 is the optional-ness of it
#2 is not the length, it's the problems with lack of layouts, objectives, and other unique shit that would justify this
#3 is the incentive to make it a layer instead of a separate level or a mutator/difficulty system
hexed vapor
Is 1 to do with unlock requirements?
obtuse surge
mompooper
nocturne flax
#1 is the optional-ness of it
#2 is not the length, it's the problems with lack ...
They technically are optional'ish
since you can do high and extreme or high and overload
only PE relies on them been a certain order
hot take
dreamy bramble
they aren't very optional when you need sector clears to unlock harder levels unfortuantely
nocturne flax
in that sense ye
but player have the option of choosing wich "difficulty" they want
dreamy bramble
i think e1 needs a pe
bc i remember people complaining about the bugged icon
which still hasn't been fixed since r4 lmao
nocturne flax
ay i completed overload where my icon go
dreamy bramble
:(
turbid cliff
E1 needs 11 high, 9 extreme, 4 overload and 1 pe
sharp merlin
how based would it be if high clears were only needed to unlock sectors, and optional difficulties were made much more difficult, becoming true optional difficulties
everything becomes r4c3
regal thicket
it would be nice, because i would get less dum dums in matchmaking
solemn wigeon
Part of the optional-ness of it is you can choose which level sectors you want to do to unlock future tiers
sharp merlin
i hope theres a level in R6 that is high and overload
no extreme
I feel that would've been nice in r5b1
hexed vapor
Would def be a way of making layers more-so about their difficulty rather than "this is the third one."
Especially since there are clearer difficulties to them now.
Now that I think about it, they could do a lot more with the structure of levels than they do now. Extreme and overload on a level that prevents and doesn't count prisoner efficiency, locking parts of the high objective behind side objectives (couldn't be the whole thing, that'd be a bit weird unless the intention is to have a two-objective level), and when weapon customization is out you could dedicate parts of a level to loot so that farming could involve more exploration and even harder content on an otherwise short and easy level.
nocturne flax
r5b1 extreme coulda been a "good" layered if they actually lowered the fog after your done putting the cells
but since that only works on gen clusters apparently
its ends up been clear fest in fog and nothing else
hexed vapor
They could just tie it to the objective tbh, easy.
Still, I don't think changing the fog would even mean much.
You're already done, just leave.
Although, they could have also just put a gen cluster back there.
and make that the objective.
nocturne flax
You're already done, just leave.
yeah but it atleast will give the illusion of doing something rather than just a flavor text saying "yo you finish"
people will go and be like "oh we fix the ventilation system, the fog its going down" and then you procced to B2
sharp merlin
R5b1 was so poorly designed/generated
Overload was right next to the keys, so someone with first impressions would see the door control and would assume there was no extreme objective or they missed it, since the extreme DC is so hidden.
It feels like you also have to progress to overload to get the keys and then backtrack to extreme, which doesn't feel right
Regarding the fog i feel the most appropriate thing to have done was to maybe make the fog infectious after high making the turbine mandatory, and having the overload objective remove it, thus tying in the reactor realistically.
regal thicket
high was already poorly designed because it was a lame way to introduce one of the most dangerous enemies to exist to new players
sharp merlin
yeah but high is still one of the funner missions imo
dreamy bramble
nothing is worse designed than the disinfect zone in b2
regal thicket
breaking the map kekw
paper harness
pre-patch D1 extreme is arguably worse
hexed vapor
Regarding the fog i feel the most appropriate thing to have done was to maybe ma...
That doesn't make turbine mandatory. Source: I still fog dive it after overload.
sharp merlin
well i guess turbine isn't mandatory on b2 overload then either.
hexed vapor
It's not, although that map is a lot harder to see on.
It's pretty easy to see on B1, and refinery tiles are a lot easier to remember imo.
sharp merlin
what im trying to say is, what's the point of calling the turbine mandatory/necessary on any level if you say you can just fog dive it
atomic escarp
Not charger 1 shot
hexed vapor
what im trying to say is, what's the point of calling the turbine mandatory/nece...
My point is more-so that the visibility even without infection is enough to make the turbine "necessary."
Iow, I don't see why the change would do anything.
it would just make diving harder for people who can already dive.
sharp merlin
🤷
sacred slate
nothing is worse designed than the disinfect zone in b2
What do you mean b2 is clearly the most perfect and fun level there is
solemn wigeon
Aight who ghost pinged me
opal narwhal
Imo C1Ext is a really bad objective as well. Nobody needs 3 uplinks in one level
hexed vapor
Eh, it serves its purpose of making you reset the respawn rooms and need to pass through both.
If anything, I think uplinks just feel a little lame nowadays.
opal narwhal
but you need to pass through both anyways. it just prolongs the level with the same objective
hexed vapor
No?
If you don't do extreme you just end on the nearer terminal and leave going through one room.
One of the reasons the high objective isn't that hard.
native drum
if you do the last terminal of the high, the 2nd zone to respawn
opal narwhal
sure, but I think it would have been better to just use a different objective in extreme and it would not change that fact (that you need to go through both)
hexed vapor
Sure, they'd just have to put a team scan door back there.
hexed vapor
if you do the last terminal of the high, the 2nd zone to respawn
Right, but you don't need to pass through the 4th zone, vs. extreme where you do.
native drum
afterwards I always did it in extreme, I kill the mobs all the time
opal narwhal
my argument is just that C1 extreme would be the same as adding c2ext to d2 or something similar
nocturne flax
You see, they ran out of objective's
Might as well just add "nostaligc" shadow uplink for people with feelings
sharp merlin
yeah i agree, it felt pretty scummy to put a 3rd uplink into what is already a long 2 uplink level in c1
I hate that final zone, twice I've had mother in first room, and other runs never see mother at all. very rng
native drum
I prefer to have the mother in the first room so you know where she is 🙂
sharp merlin
inside spawns
hexed vapor
I think having birthers during error segments is generally bad, whether it wakes unexpectedly or not is a huge difference in the difficulty of a zone. Just have multiple areas that would be bad to alert but can still be fought, ensuring there are more chances for you to mess up but none of them are quite as punishing.
nocturne flax
They could easily fix this by making bosses scripted
As in they spawn in a specific place in a specific room
During errors
So strat could be develop
But thats just my 2cents
hexed vapor
Tbh, I feel like error alarms need direction rules sometimes.
Always spawn towards elevator.
regal thicket
or at the very least add stuff like vents, underground holes etc to give the illusion that they're not spawning out of thin air
nocturne flax
Tbh, I feel like error alarms need direction rules sometimes.
yo rey
why the fuck you killing so many scouts lmao
killed half the population already
hexed vapor
They deserved it.
hexed vapor
or at the very least add stuff like vents, underground holes etc to give the ill...
Naw, I don't give a shit about how they spawn, just how error alarms tend to affect gameplay.
Forward spawns are hella annoying if your team can't just fight the entire zone.
quasi citrus
or at the very least add stuff like vents, underground holes etc to give the ill...
that would be dope.
opal narwhal
yeah, GTFO is randomness difficulty
circles, enemy distribution and errors are all random and can make a run free or challenging
dark bane
I mean i wish they actually made more stealth stuff... not just slap on more and more infinite alarms and annoying terminal defenses
I don't think the stealth aspect of the "hardcore stealth" game has changed since rundown 1, and instead they just add harder (and more) enemies, defenses, infinite alarms, etc.
missions are also getting longer too, I remember in rundown 1, 40 minutes was considered long. Now each mission takes like an hour... makes running missions over and over harder since you have to dedicate that much more time
brazen hollow
I mean i wish they actually made more stealth stuff... not just slap on more and...
c1 is still fun for the most part
dark bane
its fun, but double terminals + that end bit w/ an error alarm and respawning giants is... E
and ofc thats only hard, with extreme you have to do a third uplink during an error alarm right? (Meaning you have to run back into a room w/ giants during an error alarm to start the extreme area, and then start an uplink defense)
brazen hollow
that sounds messed lol
dark bane
C1 in general also doesn't rly allow screwups
you start the level off with a sustain scan that will burn through most of your ammo
both of the respawning giant rooms start w/ a scout, and each of the side rooms have a scout inside it as well
(and w/ how limited resources are, it basically means you have to go into all zones)
dark bane
i mean yeah, but idk
Like the level just forces you to expend all your supplies at the very start like why?
dark bane
and masochism
nocturne flax
but like even then it isnt that bad since you have two zones woth of ammo and supplies
so like................
brazen hollow
My group wasnt bad at stealth parts at all, we also had 0 issues with any scouts
tho sustain sections of it are quite painful
dark bane
Idk if its just me btw, but i've tuned in to some of the dev streams and it just feels like... they don't play the game?
like they only rly show off the A's and B's cuz spoilers
nocturne flax
The level designers are the ones good at tthe game
dark bane
but the way they play makes me feel like they are a bunch of new players back in like rundown 1
idk
nocturne flax
most of them are the enginners/coders and simon been the sound designer
so they dont really have to playtest nothing or have to be good at their own game
dark bane
fair enough, but yeah I remember watching them play like a B mission in the last rundown
and they would spend like 5 minutes deciding how to defend a single alarm
and its like "bruh its a 2-way defense on B level"
hexed vapor
My understanding is that the level designers are a lot more experienced than everyone else.
but "out of touch" is a real concern.
nocturne flax
gotta beat what you make
dark bane
whats the consensus of this rundown
btw
I didn't get too far into this one, like only the C's
nocturne flax
indifferent
dark bane
I did see that E level shiz where it starts you off at 100% infection
nocturne flax
I like them, i do see why people dont like them, but i rather have this than empty levels again
dark bane
I wish there was something more creative than "oh when you are two rooms away the enemies just all pop back into existence"
I remember one of the strats is literally to just have a guy AFK in the room to prevent respawns which is...
nocturne flax
all the suggestion happend day 1 of the rundown
nocturne flax
I remember one of the strats is literally to just have a guy AFK in the room to ...
that aint a strat that just lazynes and easy way
dark bane
i mean yeah, but people will take the easy way
"people will optimize the fun out of games"
is the general rule pretty much
nocturne flax
i wish they would respawn on top of the people doing that
dark bane
i mean imo kiting and bhopping isn't fun either, but thats how people play
nocturne flax
people just suck and over-exagerate how difficult something isin this game
rather than making a good setup for the uplink, i remember seeing people timing the respawn room with the teamscan of the uplink and shit
and die trying
might as well just use braincell for doing a better setup rather than doing all of that
errant vigil
yea A1 was more difficult for vets than noobies pre-nerf
respawns aren't bad it's just that they're easily exploited and people just run around the whole time without punishment
nocturne flax
scouts are like pokemon now grandpa
errant vigil
D1 extreme is my favorite level
obtuse surge
i dont know what people even want that interested in more stealth
mortal granite
fair enough, but yeah I remember watching them play like a B mission in the last...
gonna feel real bad when even the devs beat E level, don't ya think
like, if i'm struggle with an E level and on devs stream, they suddenly beat it
dark bane
I mean i'd actually find that interesting
since i think the most we've seen of em is playing like an A or B level and fluff around
mortal granite
they did c3
they got to the zone before uplink
make the same mistake as everyone here and wipe
solemn wigeon
Epic fail moment
native drum
I mean i wish they actually made more stealth stuff... not just slap on more and...
I would also like him to make a room with 100 mobs that we should kill, but given the crappy trigger of the mobs it's not great either
brazen hollow
Mass stealth clear would be nice I think
nocturne flax
R4c2 overload was amazing
Me and some frens cleared that room with bad rng, it made the stealth in gtfo actually challenging and fun
Sadly havent experience that again since then
native drum
R4c2 overload was amazing
I prefer extreme 🙂 it was really good ^^
turbid cliff
no it fkn wasn't, rng is complete ass kekw
- wack vertical stealth and LoS
and high concentrated sleeper counts mean you can't even sync reliably
nocturne flax
and high concentrated sleeper counts mean you can't even sync reliably
Thats what made it hard
Yoy slit the team 2 and 2
And yoy orogressively kill evrything
Also saving a chain resction was probably the most satisfying thing
It actually took coordination and timing
Everyone can stealth on even ground
nocturne flax
I prefer extreme 🙂 it was really good ^^
I mean yeah, it was just giants
nocturne flax
Bruh
I got confuse you go to extreme to go to overload
Lmao
Im confusing zone 8/9?? With overload
Extreme was the one with tightly pact sleepers and uo to 6 scouts
nocturne flax
r4c2 extreme it's 3 surge alarme 🙂
It wasnt that bad
Mandela effect hitting different today
regal thicket
can't believe gtfo has a section that requires stealth and patience to clear
how preposterous
nocturne flax
But yeah the stealth on extreme in r4c2 was golden
1 room made the whole stealth fun
native drum
It wasnt that bad
kite to finish a scan because he goes on the mobs it's not fun
nocturne flax
Hold
regal thicket
just shoot
nocturne flax
You could do 1 by 1 or all 3 at the same time
native drum
But yeah the stealth on extreme in r4c2 was golden
I think I often had to trigger to empty the room faster 🙂
native drum
You could do 1 by 1 or all 3 at the same time
3 alarme in same time
i love kite simulator
native drum
after there was the sniper sentry so the map was really ridiculous
nocturne flax
Ridiculous in what sense?
nocturne flax
Its like doing 20 damage + presicion its prbably broken
native drum
the second class VI on r4d2 was really nonsense no mob during the alarm
nocturne flax
Hel revo made it even more easier
Just spam it down range and everything its just done
native drum
Hel revo made it even more easier
yes
nocturne flax
Hel weaponry was a mistake
native drum
it's like r4e1 at the beginning I was shooting in the reactor which gives great importance on the last terminal
then after 5-6 completion I did it with a hammer and it's so much easier
then after I made the map with 3 sentry snipers and wave 6 with a hammer, it's really nonsense
nocturne flax
Only hammeres thst reactor once, left the match before finishing it
It didnt feel like deserved that win
Usually only brought 1 sniper sentry
And burst sentry babyyyy
native drum
I hope that the anti-kite measure will make it possible to no longer be able to do that
native drum
3 sniper sentry it's just abused, the s1 alarm surge before the generator we had no mob during the scan
nocturne flax
40+ ammopack and literslly only strikers on a single chokepoint
native drum
40+ ammopack and literslly only strikers on a single chokepoint
40 ammopack is a lot but not enough to not enter the last rng code
nocturne flax
It is enough
native drum
I died a lot of times because it was the second terminal
nocturne flax
Bring revolver lmao
toxic hearth
hel revolver my beloved
nocturne flax
I would have like 12 ammopacks left on thst reactor if i bought revo and hel revo
rotund ether
i think the devs will make the guns more powerful to prevent people from kititng or maybe increase the enemy AI
nocturne flax
Brother everything its so powercreep right now
Its not even funny
People just cannot aim
native drum
the weapons are powerful enough
native drum
People just cannot aim
accuracy is not the only problem
rotund ether
the weapons are powerful enough
the primaries are all bad exept for pistol and dmr
native drum
I never play dmr I don't like it
rotund ether
whaa dmr is fav :(
nocturne flax
They suppose to be low damage decent stagger but lots of ammo
Specials are you killing weapons
native drum
People just cannot aim
often i see people using the hel gun or hel rifle but it doesn't line up with mobs 😦
nocturne flax
often i see people using the hel gun or hel rifle but it doesn't line up with mo...
Thats my point
Aim+ adapting to the gun
The aim still an issue, if i go and use hel revo and miss most of my shots, its the gun bad and need to be buff?
native drum
the best way to see it is the second alarm from c1, normally a player with a hel rifle kills almost all mobs on his own
nocturne flax
They gotta nerf hel weponry
Before they had atleast a chsrge up
Some drawback
Now they do not have anything
Is only pros no cons
native drum
I think the hel rifle magazine is too big, going to 3 bullets will be a good nerf,
nocturne flax
You think thst theyre balancing team would.do.something to give those weapons a clear drawback but they dumb dumb
native drum
and will give another advantage to using the sniper to kill the big
native drum
in the r3 it was really bad I wasn't playing with it 🙂
native drum
after I don't know which weapon I used in the r3 😦
nocturne flax
It wasnt really that bad imo
native drum
this is the rundown I played the least
nocturne flax
I havent finish b4 kek
native drum
I find it bad, I'm pissed off for half the map because there is nothing to do
rotund ether
i have mixed feelings for b4
its good that its something new but im not that much into it
nocturne flax
Should have been a D tier
brazen hollow
Is sniper sentry generally better than auto sentry?
brazen hollow
When do u use sniper and burst?
native drum
burst is useless
nocturne flax
Sniper its pretty much meta
turbid cliff
Thats what made it hard
the shit that could be in that room allowed it to be anywhere between "faceroll it" and "you will alert this room, i wasn't asking"
you may have rolled a good experience for yourself but it was by no means good for devs to allow this variation
rotund ether
burst is useless
i like burst in a2
nocturne flax
burst is useless
Good for cqc maps
brazen hollow
So far we've exclusively used 4 auto sentries and in some instances it didnt help
for c1, do u suggest sniper is better for the first sustain section?
nocturne flax
the shit that could be in that room allowed it to be anywhere between "faceroll ...
So you dont like a challenge then
native drum
c1 only sniper
turbid cliff
So you dont like a challenge then
do you do reading
brazen hollow
Ok we gonna try that today
native drum
i like burst in a2
i use 1 sniper and 1 auto on a2
nocturne flax
C eniper
nocturne flax
the shit that could be in that room allowed it to be anywhere between "faceroll ...
Yes, they shoulda made the room a fix room eoth shit tooj of enemies
brazen hollow
Is 3 sniper for c1 good ? (with bio scan)
native drum
Is 3 sniper for c1 good ? (with bio scan)
i always do c1 with 3 sniper
brazen hollow
aight we'll try both setups
nocturne flax
instead of pd2 just make it like pdth :^)
Yeah but here the difficukty its set and we dont have 5000% health increase on enemies
regal thicket
pdth's dmg is constant for every diff and on 145+ the hp is doubled
but even then they're not that much tankier
clear idol
nocturne flax
I dont want gtfo to be like x z y
i want gtfo to be unique
and be true to its vision
native drum
i hope they hand over a map like r2d1
nocturne flax
i hope they hand over a map like r2d1
thats a hot take
regal thicket
then ulf shouldn't be the director lole
nocturne flax
then ulf shouldn't be the director lole
Doesnt make any sense, just because he made payday doesnt mean he doesnt want to do things differently
he had a lot of passion in the interviews leading to the release of EA
i hope that didnt change
clear idol
thinking just because someone made x y z they will make gtfo like x y z
robust marsh
with the state of the game Ehhhh its arguable
clear idol
is a stupidly dumb hot take
nocturne flax
wrong
robust marsh
how was it?
nocturne flax
it was good
robust marsh
super good or just good
nocturne flax
for the content it had its was good
regal thicket
nah release was weak
robust marsh
so mixed feelings
regal thicket
anyways, gtfo balancing reminded me of pdth's balancing a lot aside from hel weaponry
and i think that had decent balancing aside from some secondaries and pistols
hexed vapor
burst is useless
It's less efficient but higher DPS.
Depends on your tool constraints, how many sentries you bring, and whether or not you need sentries to deal with bigs.
turbid cliff
you seem to assume it'll be hitting enough shots to consider it as "dealing damage"
native drum
it's been 5 rundowns that the burst exists and it's been 5 rundowns that few people use it
sick hornet
Burst is better if you have an excess of tool and a sniper
4 burst sentries can mow down just about anything
native drum
even if it means taking 4 sentries, you might as well take 4 snipers
even after the nerf of the shotgun sentry, it was still more efficient than the burst sentry
nocturne flax
burst works better facing the front
obviously sniper its "better"
but the advantage its that burst reacts faster than sniper
you can get 2-3 kills at the time when sniper fires its first shot
sniper unless the los its big the wave just run past it and the mayority will run towards you
obviously the next waves are the one that are destroyed by sniper sentry
native drum
if they are well placed, the first wave does not pass
lament drift
you can get 2-3 kills at the time when sniper fires its first shot
Imagine
nocturne flax
thats obviously in small/medium size rooms
thats why i said if los its bigger sniper its better on first wave
lament drift
The Burst Sentry kills almost nothing. The Sniper Sentry is so much stronger. I mean it often kills Giants with one shot to the back of the head.
nocturne flax
<@&408548765599793173> 3 months of nitro for FREE!! (all channels) wont you believe it??
sick hornet
the burst sentry may not look like it does much, but if you are using automatic weapons you can really see how much its doing
dapper dagger
<@&408548765599793173> 3 months of nitro for FREE!! (all channels) wont you beli...
gibma
dapper dagger
crystal onyx
Hey all we been on B4 for weeks (months?) now, and I’m avoiding cheating by watching a successful run but I have to ask one spoilery question if anyone has completed it- do you need both cells or are the cells just about unlocking areas for the sake of survival with resources? We have gotten to about 9 minutes using mines and doors carefully to take on waves but it always gets super hectic once the north door unlocks.
knotty sphinx
Technically you don't need any cells. They just open zones for resources.
native drum
Hey all we been on B4 for weeks (months?) now, and I’m avoiding cheating by watc...
you die before the door opens?
turbid cliff
according to english, after
crystal onyx
you die before the door opens?
Well - again not looking for further spoilers apart from what @knotty sphinx just told me, but yes we die around 9 min, don’t know where the extraction is (and not asking!)
crystal onyx
Technically you don't need any cells. They just open zones for resources.
Perfect thanks
native drum
Well - again not looking for further spoilers apart from what <@!241220248206966...
9 minutes before the end of the timer?
sick hornet
9 minutes in, so at 21 minutes left bc they havent gotten through the door yet
native drum
Well - again not looking for further spoilers apart from what <@!241220248206966...
what are your other tools?
often when I do the map I take a foam, mine, sniper sentry and a bio
the c foam is not compulsory but it avoids playing the rng
sick hornet
i usually run double mine double bio, helps a lot having multiple mine deployers
or mine x2, bio, cfoam for ||the S1 door||
turbid cliff
my dudes
he asked about cells and no spoilers
first phase has no cells
unless i'm really misremembering something
i.e. 9 minutes left not in
native drum
first phase has no cells
|| you take cell in first zone and you need for 2nd zone after lock door ||
native drum
if we don't play the game a lot
crystal onyx
he asked about cells and no spoilers
Thank you 🙂
upbeat atlas
How to find rooms?
Trying to beat B4, and don't know what doors to go through.... wondering how to utilize the terminal to find where to go next....
Any thoughts?
atomic escarp
Look for a door in lockdown because of a phase thing, that's the progression door, side zones are resource zone, 2nd phase side zones need cells from the previous side zones
upbeat atlas
Yea... I see that door in lockdown
I wonder how to open that one.... We have yet ot still open up that door
so we randomly open up the side doors and look for something to open up the first progession door?
atomic escarp
It opens after 10 minutes
atomic escarp
You can hammer clear, or you go to side zones and get res in the mean time
upbeat atlas
ahhhh
opal narwhal
also mines and doors help
wooden geyser
It's in 3 phases. Every 10 minutes the next lockdown door becomes available. Mines doors and c-foam will pretty much carry you through it. The better you are with a hammer and kiting, the better you'll be, but using the above method will get you through just as easily. Plenty of ammo, meds and tool if you are coordinated and not wasteful
coarse echo
Shoot gun enemy die.
nocturne flax
enemy die Shoot gun
unborn wind
Shoot enemy gun die.
high forge
gun die ennemy shoot
bold widget
Can someone riddle me something
At the end of D2 did we manage to put on the reactor or did it break
paper beacon
it breaks
bold widget
So what is the point of the last code then was the warden diverting power to put it on thus the sector is lost or does he mean sector lost because of the broken reactor and not the 3 tanks that got released
mortal granite
read the text
bold widget
What Text
mortal granite
exactly
mortal granite
put the last code in and see
bold widget
So because it breaks does that mean that the last code is meant to shut it down?
bold widget
Guess the warden must be pissed for losing a valuable reactor
But doesnt it say evac before you put in the last code meaning they spawn before it breaks
mortal granite
you put it last code
warning text pop up as reactor at critical heat
it unleash a bio mash
bold widget
but y reactor no boom
nocturne flax
reactor no go boon because reactor safe
sick hornet
Is there any important audio on the new leak?
thick burrow
no audio
errant vigil
It do just be a gif
rain heron
they updated the movement of the characters!
lyric narwhal
yes
rain heron
it looks pretty good tbh
surreal rivet
Epic
rain heron
wat? where did you see that?
native drum
wat? where did you see that?
in media
turbid cliff
Communication wheel coming
Can't wait to spam laugh while running through the whole map
The l4d experience
lyric narwhal
nice
turbid cliff
They make it sound like R6 is coming end of November
solemn wigeon
So now we have a more semi precise release timing
solemn wigeon
They make it sound like R6 is coming end of November
With 1 last sale just before november
turbid cliff
Those fog? Particles/dust do be everywhere tho
solemn wigeon
Makes sense, we are underground
When are we getting expeditions between floors tho
lyric narwhal
when we goin to sector B and a half?
solemn wigeon
True
regal thicket
39.99 😔
signal fox
does cfoam portion affect the GlueValue of each cfoam blob, or does it only affect the amount of ammo used per charge?
lyric narwhal
i dont use boosters that often but some guy told me c-foam portion just increases the amount of c-foam a full charge fires
dreamy bramble
cfoam portion reduces the % of tool used when firing the foam launcher
lyric narwhal
yeah i dont use boosters often let alone that one
dreamy bramble
100% is half foam used iirc
it's a fun booster
completely broken but so are most
obtuse surge
one person with supply efficiency and one person with cfoam portion
its the best combo rn
its like x5
the amount of foam
you'll have
lyric narwhal
i mainly just dont like having to sift through a bunch of random crappy ones until i get three of the same kind
so i just stopped caring about them
hexed vapor
W8, where'd this all get posted?
errant vigil
Orange name email
errant vigil
It is truely a sad day
hollow matrix
:((((
hexed vapor
Wait, you're a white name, hand over your sources, traitor!
signal fox
What stopped you
turbid cliff
W8, where'd this all get posted?
It's also in pr kit
You don't need orange to read it
broken scarab
Ambassadors got the info and new screens some time before press release was... released
obtuse surge
turbid cliff
Well as you just said it's a bug
dreamy bramble
thought that only happens when a sleeper clips through and touches a mine
signal fox
my understanding is that it only happens if you use only 9 blobs to cfoam the door instead of 10
bold widget
my understanding is that it only happens if you use only 9 blobs to cfoam the do...
Door was c foam naded
signal fox
i have no clue then
bold widget
Big rip
mystic bison
39.99 😔
GTFO is a game designed for 4 players. Most people want those 4 players, or 3, to be people they know. Given that this is the case, there should be a option of buying a game in a package for 4 people and logically then that the price of a game in a purchase for 4 people should also have some normal discount.
rain heron
so when's the game getting out of early?
turbid cliff
No clear confirmation but they made it sound like end of November
November 31st kappa
sharp merlin
What time do they normally start the countdown for a new rundown
Like two weeks before?
errant vigil
yea
sharp merlin
ty
dreamy bramble
burst cannon back maybe 👀
?
errant vigil
canceling
They haven't fixed it in the current rundown so I doubt they will if they bring it back
dreamy bramble
oh i thought i missed a leak about the bc returning
errant vigil
That video they posted might have weapons we haven't seen
Unless someone has already looked at the pixels
solemn wigeon
fuck the burst cannon, all the homies hate burst cannon
errant vigil
Carbine as well
subtle vault
I really liked the carbine
errant vigil
New special would also be nice
subtle vault
New tool
subtle vault
Ya
errant vigil
A new melee is a very good sign I think
subtle vault
Ye
subtle vault
Cutting torch
forest horizon
assuming next update is the release I would sure hope its significant
sick hornet
cutting torch would be cool
shy vessel
If the new tool isn't the mapper I'm uninstalling
shy vessel
subtle vault
🎄
shy vessel
Mapper added becomes useless tool
Fighting words
errant vigil
eh might become a bio tracker thing
heavily regarded as useless upon first use
but becomes information king
subtle vault
Bio and mapper tool only run
obtuse surge
burst sentry only
hexed vapor
Mapper seems like a cool idea for a rundown-specific biotracker variation.
forest horizon
Why should the mapper be in GTFO?
It's cool
It would make navigating in fog filled levels fun and enjoyable
Locating lockboxes in rooms would be streamlined
Finding terminals on a first clear would be actually interesting
It could be used with the bio-tracker to allow for a very powerful stealth build
Did I mention it would make fog diving actually fun?
What would the mapper even do?
I AM SO GLAD YOU ASKED!
It would mark static level elements in, say, blue.
It would mark terminals in green.
It would mark resource boxes in orange.
It would mark enemies in red the same color as level elements.
It would be cooldown based, longer than bio-tracker
This would be a STATIC picture of everying as it was when the mapper was used.
This means that if you try to use it on moving enemies, it would only show you where they were when you used it.
This sounds overpowered.
I'd argue it's not overpowered, you're sacraficing a tool slot that could be used to bring mines, c-foam or a sentry to gain more info during stealth. I feel like it would be similar in power to the bio-tracker and think the game sorely needs something that can compete with the bio-tracker in terms of information gathering.
But hey! Maybe I'm missing some factor that makes this completly brokenly OP in your eyes.
If that's the case, please DM me @amogus on discord.
I'm willing to change my mind on this if you can explain why it would be OP.
hexed vapor
No bio, but mapper has some sort of tracking potential.
errant vigil
keeps the outline of enemies after the scan of the area and proceeds to lag your game let's go
mossy yoke
If the new tool isn't the mapper I'm uninstalling
it's not, since you already made a deal to get the cortex interface fixed
sick hornet
it's not, since you already made a deal to get the cortex interface fixed
hes uninstalled the game already, look what youve done
nocturne flax
Where bullpup
nocturne flax
Awful gun but fun to use
Skill issue
Fun gun
Since its 1.0 it would be noce if they literally give us every singke gun
Balance obviously
Everybody would be running something different
Appart from the cringe r4 people with hel revo and bc
errant vigil
Rifle buff 👀
nocturne flax
Ive been enlightened to its power
Shits broken
nocturne flax
Rifle buff 👀
Rifle never existed
errant vigil
solemn wigeon
Heavy AR must return
errant vigil
would be neat
solemn wigeon
Heavy bullpup 👀
nocturne flax
I still dont really understand what was the purpose of heavy weponry
it would be nice if a dev tell us what the vision with those guns are suppose to be
hollow matrix
it would be nice if a dev tell us what the vision with those guns are suppose to...
Didnt they have an idea to have players make their own guns and then bring them into the level?
nocturne flax
Didnt they have an idea to have players make their own guns and then bring them ...
welp gotta wait for r6
but really doubt it
i just want some basic weapon customization at this point
obtuse cedar
Just recreate the gun you want
nocturne flax
nothing fancy
obtuse cedar
You d get all the weapons like that :p
cinder sinew
I just want to clean the DMR sight tbh
hollow matrix
Ibarumarky: Do we get weapon customisation?
ludvig: Not for ea release, but we’re working on something nice 😎
(late 2019 btw)
novel basalt
Gonna put the Sniper sight into my Pistol.
Heavy profit
quiet stone
R3? Don't remember that, you must be dreaming.
tribal heath
which terminal do u do 1st/is there a way to find out which terminal is linked to the one with the password, in C3?
candid dragon
its a crapshot generally.
sometimes the terminal that needs a password is the other terminal. so you can tell.
welcome to the world of why i think c3 is a good mission, marred by annoyance.
tribal heath
well thanks, now we have to do both doors open again...
solemn wigeon
Idk why having both doors open is a problem, most of the time you should be defending the person on terminals. Where they come from isnt a problem
dreamy bramble
tbf if there is only one door open it's significantly easier to hold
you can double stack sentries and it's less likely for things to slip by
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Everyone who is kiting gets minus 15 social credit points
mortal granite
pog, i'm being hunt by th
opal narwhal
Which objective do you guys like the least?
hexed vapor
Uplinks
opal narwhal
I can't decide between uplinks and old style reactor
subtle vault
For me it’s reactors
sweet echo
Reactors have always been the most fun.
Though I'm more a fan of what they've done with B1 Overload. Just sit down, and defend. No hunting for stuff and risking the run because of some misplaced Scout.
hexed vapor
Reactors are very hit or miss, tbh
obtuse surge
the objectives where you have to bring something back to spawn
and nothing happens while doing so
regal thicket
that's why they added cocoons winky face
opal narwhal
and nothing happens while doing so
I felt that
arctic sparrow
There should be a Team Fortress 2 Payload style mission where the team is trying to push a cart of explosives to an enemy nest while the enemies are trying to stop them from doing that.
subtle vault
Suggest it
arctic sparrow
I would, but it sounds dumb now that I think about it.
obtuse cedar
"we must push the kart" "PUSH!"
subtle vault
“Who’s not pushing the kart!? I want names!”
mystic bison
Why it it seems that the fps is so bad in the video ?
quiet stone
Probably your eyes
mossy marsh
Why it it seems that the fps is so bad in the video ?
you could try to increase the max queue frames at the cost of some latency
it can stabilize your fps to some extent
turbid cliff
continuing from #gtfo-related-questions
exclude what multiplier
normal birther has 126 real per sack
hexed vapor
So, if the tumor would have 250 health, because it's a 5x crit multiplier, I consider it to be able to take 50 damage.
turbid cliff
except tons of weapons have precision multipliers so that doesn't work
hexed vapor
Precision multi is factored into that?
turbid cliff
i mean that number is not final
it might technically be 20 for one weapon, 60 for another
cinder sinew
The only thing holding back the sniper to be better at killing the mother is that the blobs don't overkill
✨ Phrasing ✨
turbid cliff
also tank sacks mult isn't 5
hexed vapor
it might technically be 20 for one weapon, 60 for another
That still shouldn't matter?
10 damage w/ 2x precision against 500 health tumor with 5x crit multi.
Does 100 damage, which translates to 20 damage when getting rid of the crit multi.
Let's say we treat this as a tumor with 100 health.
10 * 2 = 20. So we get the same result.
There's no difference.
And you right, so the cap is 100FF instead of 60FF (300FF per mag).
turbid cliff
is it more logical to say:
sack has 250 hp and it's a crit spot, you can do the math yourself
or
sack can take 50 damage, this is with crit mult factored in, but not precision mult, do that math yourself
cinder sinew
It may be easier to understand it if you don't factor in the precision mult, but mentioning the precision mult to deal a bit less or more damage when factored
hexed vapor
is it more logical to say:
sack has 250 hp and it's a crit spot, you can do the ...
I am literally saying the latter.
turbid cliff
indeed you are
hexed vapor
I don't see how that wasn't what I was saying.
turbid cliff
i'm saying that the former makes more sense to me than some half-chewed number that's spit out
just making it more complicated to process
hexed vapor
You can do up to X damage a shot, and the sniper does that much damage in a shot.
I do it that way because it makes more sense for just calculating the damage output each weapon has in a magazine.
which I think is easier to understand than the large, useless number you get if you multiply by the crit value (plus it's not the same for Tank).
turbid cliff
straying way further than necessary
let's say i freshly move into this conversation and see your numbers
i don't just have to pick up and do some math for myself
i have to see what you did first to understand where the f you are, and then do it myself on top of that
it's not wrong
it's confusing
hexed vapor
I can just write it down in one spot.
hexed vapor
Main Boss Damage per Magazine R5 (FF):
DMR: 156.809
Double-Tap Rifle: 135.766
Burst Rifle: 132.6
Machine Pistol: 119.646
SMG: 116
Pistol: 114.144
Assault Rifle: 105
Sawed-Off Shotgun: 104.968
Heavy SMG: 80.4
Special Boss Damage per Magazine R5 (FF):
Sniper: 480 (150/375/300 for Birther/Boss Birher/Tank)
Shotgun: 480
Combat Shotgun: 316.26
HEL Gun: 234
Machinegun: 231.879
HEL Rifle: 219.269
Revolver: 108.615276
nocturne flax
So pump you does 30 damage
But with ff does 30 trillion with the multiplier
Check mate atheist
dapper dagger
friendly fire numbers in 2021
nocturne flax
Let me troll the entire community
Im gonna say true bullpup damage value on related questions
Helluva troll
nocturne flax
So pump you does 30 damage
My apologies its actually 30.1
Gotta make sure we dont r4 the poor thing
hexed vapor
So pump you does 30 damage
30?
broken zinc
Let me troll the entire community
Im gonna say true bullpup damage value on rel...
I loved the bullpup so much, it was my favorite weapon in the entire game! i was sad when I saw it wasent there for R5, but who knows it might come back for R6! Maybe along with new awesome weapons! I cant wait!
broken zinc
Thats alright, I love you too🥰
novel basalt
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tiny hornet
do we have a rough idea on when the next rundown will be released?
surreal rivet
By the wording that's in the latest Press Kit, it's "weeks after 1st of November".
So could be either late November or early December, but whoooooo knowsssssss~
woeful kayak
So could be either late November or early December, but whoooooo knowsssssss~
my money is on on maybe Q1 2022?
so maybe late Dec/ early Jan?
woeful kayak
They said by the end of 2021 so it's surely not January.
probably right. im just hazarding a guess and allowing for setbacks
surreal rivet
Sure, if anything goes wrong. But it looks like things are going just fine, so hope for the best and expect the worst :p
I'm guessing we're gonna get another roadmap update soon 🤔
woeful kayak
cant wait
heavy siren
were there ever any announcements on scaling?
solemn wigeon
Well
Faq doesnt have all the answers
But they dont plan to include scaling as far as we know
nocturne flax
<@&408548765599793173> all channels again
heavy siren
i dont recall correctly, was b3 tank an extreme objective?
nocturne flax
I mean technically the alarm is