gtfo-spoiler-chat

[clear idol]

😔

[obtuse surge]

i wonder if they think they actually fixed it

[atomic escarp]

The B2/C1 uplink bug was fixed

[obtuse surge]

ok

[atomic escarp]

Or did we miss something?

[obtuse surge]

yes..

[atomic escarp]

Tell me in dms please

[hexed vapor]

Viktor did a solo?

How far did he manage to get?

[dreamy bramble]

died almost instantly on final a1 alarm

[mortal granite]

at least he made it to the final a1 alarm

now tell him to solo E1

[hexed vapor]

That alarm does suck, though.

[mortal granite]

you either mine the bottom or top

or leave the right side door open

[clear idol]

what loadout did he have?

[hexed vapor]

DMR/Shotgun/Mines

[mortal granite]

dmr gang

[clear idol]

im more of a pistol user cause i suck with dmr

😔

[queen nymph]

Oh man, C Tier and people still don't know how to hammer a scout and use the open door cheese and fail

Jesus

[clear idol]

😔

[mortal granite]

cheese is the only way

[quiet stone]

Hahaha

[hexed vapor]

Tbf

I think some of these people are in double digit attempts.

[queen nymph]

Probably yeah

[thick burrow]

How much did they not miss

[atomic escarp]

?

[brittle light]

how many objective(s) done?

[dreamy bramble]

probably main only

[dire notch]

Does the head have a hit box? I’ve shot through my teammates head with a HEL round multiple times now and they took no damage

[clear idol]

it should because shooters aim for the head

not sure if it has a hitbox for bullets though from player

[brittle light]

it should have, might just be not entirely accurate
and no headshot multiplier for friendly fire

iirc

[high forge]

C3 got nerfed but isn't written on the patch notes

🤔

[pliant shard]

How did c3 get nerfed?

[dire notch]

I mean. Devs sometimes don’t list things so you can figure them out for yourself

[mossy yoke]

I don't recall it changing internally at all

[atomic escarp]

I was about to say nothing was changed in C3.

[hollow socket]

What is the nerf ?

[high forge]

There's a class 7 M alarm missing at the door to get in the zone of the uplinks

It's not there anymore

[hollow socket]

ouch, big nerf

[high forge]

wdym ?

[hollow socket]

This is a big nerf to the original design of the map

[high forge]

Indeed it is

That's why i find it strange that it isn't listed on the patch notes

[brittle light]

wouldn't make sense from any standpoint either. Probably a bug.

[high forge]

🤷‍♂️

[brittle light]

nerfing an A or B level if it's too difficult? Sure. Nerfing a Class VII away on a C level? Nope.
Doesn't make sense lore-wise. Nothing else changed, so it shouldn't be the case.

Is it absolutely confirmed that the alarm is gone, or is it just a "not entirely sure" thing?

[hollow socket]

Nerf are not lore-wise directed

[brittle light]

yes

but this wouldn't be an intentional nerf, literally no one complained about C3 being difficult from what I can see

too big a change

for too little a reason

[high forge]

I'm sure it's gonne, did C3 again with some people not too long ago

[brittle light]

"not too long ago"

was the patch not today

[pliant shard]

This morning

[brittle light]

what in all worlds is "not too long ago" supposed to mean then

[atomic escarp]

The alarm in question is there.

[brittle light]

thought so

[high forge]

Maximum 1 hour from now

Even less than that

[atomic escarp]

@high forge are you 100% sure the M VII scan wasn't there?

[high forge]

Yep wait i can find a screenshot of a friend having it too

[brittle light]

is there a really low possibility of the host having a modded version that had that alarm gone?

[thick burrow]

Wouldn't surprise me

[brittle light]

since if others claim it's there this is getting more and more confusing

I'd go and check it out myself if I had C levels unlocked

[high forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776949410499395586/862035684117839912/unknown.png

there you have it

[brittle light]

well that pic ain't telling anything

duh

that's post-alarm

always

on every door

we need the pre-alarm thing that shows it being a scan without actual alarm

[high forge]

He just got there.....

[brittle light]

and how would that be visible from the pic?

especially considering kiting and stuff respawning exists that is sadly not viable evidence

[native drum]

I fail my screen we can't see next zone 😦

[high forge]

He's the one who took the screenshot but i'm 5000% sure there was no alarm on that door

[thick burrow]

Check your log files

[high forge]

Because i played it my self 30-40 minuts ago

[brittle light]

log files?

those show stuff like that?

[balmy robin]

The log files would be usefull, since they usually indicate the game state changes when you open a security door

[thick burrow]

Could potentially

It's not always a guarantee, since they claim there wasn't an alarm from the start

[high forge]

People will have to check it out themselves then

I'm just saying out what i know changed about that door

[thick burrow]

Numerous people have said that the alarm is still there.

Might be an issue from your end.

[brittle light]

on another note, someone wanna carry a returning intermediate player into C

Jokes aside, we'll see~
If someone else confirms it, then I guess it's more certain. Otherwise this can be anything from misremembering, deliberately insisting on false info or a hacked lobby or a bug

[balmy robin]

It could still be a bug, just not affecting all attempts ; it will definitely need to be looked at :)

[turbid cliff]

well you can play games without updating your game and game doesn't update sometimes without restarting steam

[thick burrow]

Imagine wanting to play C1

[turbid cliff]

claimers could've been on old

[brittle light]

we're talking about C3, but I'd gladly play C1 too
When it comes to games I'm a tiny tiny bit M

difficulty gooo

[high forge]

well idk, but i updated the game this afternoon for the last patch notes

That's pretty strange

[queen field]

I don't mind sending you the whole stream (with a timestamp so you can see it for yourself), however it's kinda low-quality. Is that still fine for you ?

[thick burrow]

Would be useful if it was from a host's pov

[brittle light]

eh, not necessary. we'll see over time. thanks for the offer tho :P

[queen field]

I don't know who was the host when it happened unfortunately

[thick burrow]

[turbid cliff]

i mean people who claim there still is

[thick burrow]

Could ask the players in question who it was though.

[high forge]

I was but that doesn't change anything, because other players had the same thing shown to them

I wasn't the only one with that alarm not showing

[peak coral]

Cap was hosting the game. He said I can open the door and I said 2 or 3 times but where is the class 7

[queen field]

From the streamer's POV you can see the door not having an alarm

[thick burrow]

Grab the hosts log files then, could be useful information in there.

[turbid cliff]

Assemble a squad to check

[high forge]

we did

with one of my friends

just got there

still no alarm on the door

[queen field]

Would be really helpful if a dev were to make a statement on that fact tbh

[solemn wigeon]

Doc just said they don't remember changing it

[queen field]

Then that's weird

[high forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776949410499395586/862047870995267634/Capture_decran_88.png

Maybe it's a bug but it doesn't happen only to me but my group of friends too

[solemn wigeon]

Weird

I'll run it too to double check in a min

[queen field]

There weren't any scan on the door btw

as if the alarm was already done

[solemn wigeon]

It wasn't even that bad of an alarm with a well coordinated team so I can't seem them changing it

[high forge]

It's just open the door

[queen field]

i think that was unintended

[high forge]

Yeah most likely unintended

[inner torrent]

There's no more class VII on the sec door to 377 indeed

[mossy yoke]

I'm looking into it.

[fierce laurel]

wait

did the door lose the alarm?

oof bug

[solemn wigeon]

Can confirm there is no alarm now

[queen field]

The double uplink bugfix probably messed up with it

[solemn wigeon]

Yeah

The door behind it is normal as usual

[brittle light]

oof

maybe to test that you can't double uplink they removed the alarm to easily get there

and forgot to reactivate or something

[solemn wigeon]

Thats what I was thinking

[brittle light]

defo alert the admins, but I think doc already noticed earlier

if they go to check it out it should be fixed somewhen soon-ish

[regal thicket]

version 23693 soon™️

[solemn wigeon]

lol

[fierce laurel]

also how did you do both uplinks at once

didn't you get the code after finishing the first

[solemn wigeon]

You used to be able to do both

[fierce laurel]

but dont you get the code after finishing the first uplink

wait is the code in the back zone

[solemn wigeon]

ye

[fierce laurel]

make sense

[high forge]

So it wasn't my game who was glitching out

[keen rampart]

was r5e1 already solod?

[atomic escarp]

not to my knowledge

[keen rampart]

thanks

[hasty moth]

hEY GUYS

So on C3, does anyone know of a bug

[solemn wigeon]

About the Class VII?

[hasty moth]

Where the class 7 alarm just flat out disappears?

[solemn wigeon]

Yeah its known at least

[hasty moth]

Cuz that just happened to me and I have no clue why or how

[solemn wigeon]

It's happening to everyone

[hasty moth]

Like it was there. Then it just disappeared and the door opened

Is there anything specific that triggers it? It didnt happen to me yesterday when I played like 4 matches

[solemn wigeon]

I can't say anything since I'm no developer but I think that the bug patch that was pushed out this morning was the cause

[atomic escarp]

It was most likely accidental, i wouldn't worry about it

just appreciate not having to do that alarm lol

[solemn wigeon]

its a fun alarm change my mind

[atomic escarp]

yeah its alright

[mortal granite]

it just disappeared and the door opened

might be a bug

[solemn wigeon]

Class 7+ is rare to see these days :^)

[mortal granite]

speedrunner, rise up

we have a level to speedrun

[solemn wigeon]

Soloing it will be a lot easier while the Class VII is gone

[atomic escarp]

I present D2

[hasty moth]

Well... I wonder does doing the class 3 for the supply room encourage or discourage it. Or is it flatout just gone?

[solemn wigeon]

But if you look at all the alarms in all of GTFO, we've only have 3 Class VII + alarms right?

R2B1, R5C3 and R5D2

[atomic escarp]

Are you counting R2B1 cause it was nerfed

[solemn wigeon]

From Class IX to Class VII?

[atomic escarp]

yes

9 to 7

[solemn wigeon]

it's still a Class VII +

[atomic escarp]

great map btw

[solemn wigeon]

Never played it sadge

[atomic escarp]

was the first map with blood doors

[solemn wigeon]

Pog

[atomic escarp]

iirc

[solemn wigeon]

but yeah, hopefully we see more Class 7+. They are fun to do

[atomic escarp]

R6B1 Class 9 with chargers : ^ )

[solemn wigeon]

Yooo

R6B1 is R2B1 remake

lets go

[dapper dagger]

When R3A3 remake?

[atomic escarp]

B1 overload

Or C2 extreme, I forget which one

[solemn wigeon]

R3A3 wack reactor?

[dapper dagger]

Exactly

Best reactor

[solemn wigeon]

then B1 Overload

[hasty moth]

Where is my class X alarm ??

[solemn wigeon]

Class XXX 😳

[hasty moth]

Daddy hackett ❤️

[atomic escarp]

[queen nymph]

Class 9 mix is good class 9 cluster is something you don’t want 👀

[solemn wigeon]

Class 9 Surge

[orchid sorrel]

Class 9 BC surge

[dapper dagger]

No more BC

[queen nymph]

[dapper dagger]

S Cluster my new best friend

[solemn wigeon]

No more BC :D

[dapper dagger]

Just wait

Big Charger alarm

[solemn wigeon]

They'll never label those :(

[dapper dagger]

Burst Cancel alarm

[solemn wigeon]

Special alarm that deploys burst cannons around you

14 minutes pog

[fossil jetty]

just realized that the bug fix about stopping multiple terminals kinda killed one of my C3 run.

since you don't know which terminal requires the password protected one one

[mortal granite]

so you mean that

[fossil jetty]

you could be forced to open the second door

before the first term

[mortal granite]

no

you can do the first one without open the back door

[fossil jetty]

but you need to type in uplink verify

[mortal granite]

yes?

[fossil jetty]

and it send the uplink confirm thing to a set term

[mortal granite]

and the other terminal that have NO password will pop up

[fossil jetty]

wiat

[mortal granite]

there are 4 terminals

[fossil jetty]

wait just to make things clear

[mortal granite]

only 1 lock

[fossil jetty]

the 2 terms are term_132 and term _152

[mortal granite]

they don't want you to do 2 uplink at the same time

[fossil jetty]

the passworded one is term_555

yea

i know tht

[mortal granite]

since that just make the alarm easier

[fossil jetty]

but how do you know which term (132 or 152) links the non-passworded one?

[mortal granite]

there are 2 uplink terminal

[fossil jetty]

yea

[mortal granite]

1 of them will be lock

and there are 3 other terminals that don't need password to unlock

they only lock 1 uplink terminal

[fossil jetty]

Yea term_555 needs the password and one term (132 or 152) will connect to it

lets say you uplink connect term_132 and to goes to another term_674

I know you can just do it without the pass

but how do you know 132 is the right one to uplink first?

[mortal granite]

if it don't have password then i'll do it first?

[fossil jetty]

you could start 152 first then your forced into opening the second door

the fix stops you from starting another uplink while you uplinked term_152

so you have to open the door, do the password lock term first

then do the unlocked second

[mortal granite]

the fix make you can't do both uplink at the same time

- Fixed a bug where you could activate multiple Uplinks at the same time.

so nothing change in C3

if you play it normally

[fossil jetty]

ok, maybe i missed something during my run, but i swear they forgot to check with the C3 terms since its different than all the others

[dapper dagger]

The fix made it so once you type in uplink_connect on one terminal then you cannot do it for the other one until it is done. This means that when you are trying to find the second terminal needed for the uplink you have a 50/50 chance of having to be forced to do the locked terminal first and hence have to open the security door.

[mortal granite]

did you test it?

i haven't touched it yet

and the patch specifically said

you can't activate 2 terminal uplink at the same time

even without the patch, you can still have that problem happen

[dapper dagger]

before the patch you could type in uplink_connect in both terminals and see which one you needed for the verify codes

[mortal granite]

now you can't

[dapper dagger]

yes

[mortal granite]

that's the point of the patch

you can't do both

[dapper dagger]

but you were telling the other person that you didnt have to open the back door

when post patch you have to if you get the locked terminal first

since you can only check one and have to commit to it

[mortal granite]

in my experience, i never have the 1st terminal locked behind the back zone

[dapper dagger]

just play the level and you'll see what they mean

[mortal granite]

wait

only 1 need password

so you can do the 1st terminal regardless

[atomic escarp]

I don't think that was ever case. One of the terminals always tells you that it's behind the blue door, well the password required is behind the blue door.

[dapper dagger]

Ok I'm going to try and be more clear

[mortal granite]

you have 3 terminals without needing a password

[dapper dagger]

Once you type in the IP on one terminal to find the location needed for the second terminal, you cannot type in the IP on the other terminal until the uplink is done.

[mortal granite]

ye, that was the patch

you can still do 1 uplink at a time

[dapper dagger]

Play it yourself

[mortal granite]

dude

you have 3 terminals

2 uplink, 1 terminal with no lock, and other terminal locked by a code

[atomic escarp]

I don't really see the problem. I guess you're saying that once you choose one, you're stuck on it?

[dapper dagger]

Essentially

[atomic escarp]

Ah fair.

[dapper dagger]

But you have no way of knowing if the uplink you do needed the password or not

So you can be forced to open the door early

[atomic escarp]

Well, I need to look at C3 again, but before the 2nd uplink_connect terminal needed the password behind the blue door.

[mortal granite]

ah, that's fair

[solemn wigeon]

The sun the moon the stars 👀👀👀

[regal thicket]

oh shit the updated version is actually 23693

[inner torrent]

btw, regarding alarms... what's the story about that terminal in Z528 of E1? Is its purpose just to stop the error alarm of giants before doing the last surge?

[thick burrow]

yes

[inner torrent]

Has someone found a use for it?

Because in any case you have the last surge just after that

Seems like there's no point going back to 528

[thick burrow]

Not really

[inner torrent]

I'd understand if there was a tank+mother couple at the end, but doing the surge overrides the giants spawn from the error alarm anyway

[robust marsh]

maybe is there so if you miss any packs you can go back for it?

i never played E1 that much

only got to first error

[thick burrow]

no

[inner torrent]

The only use I could see for that terminal is if your team is at 0% ammo for the last surge. But even in that case, that means you have to run back to the beginning, and sneak past zone 536 and 535 if you haven't cleared thoses, just to stop the alarm

It's a bit far fetched

[west crow]

with how the level is designed it's hard to believe they intend for you to run back to spawn to shut off the error

[inner torrent]

I think it's a mistake maybe

[dapper dagger]

The terminal is a mistake, the class 5 giant alarm to Z543 shouldnt have a shut down terminal but does

[west crow]

like using the first cell to skip the majority of e1, it's not intended but is something you can do

[dreamy bramble]

we ended up clearing the path because we messed up stealth and it still wouldn't be worth it

[inner torrent]

Maybe there was a 4th error alarm but they deleted it, but the interaction with the terminal stayed

[west crow]

it might have been intended to add more giants to the 3rd error, but they didn't have the ability to assign two errors to the same terminal

[dreamy bramble]

you would have to fight so many more waves running back and forth that there better be a ton of ammo you left lying around for no reason

[inner torrent]

There is no error alarm on 543 @dapper dagger , it's just the error from 542

Doing the door just allows you to shut down the error on another terminal

[dapper dagger]

yes, so why is there a terminal on the z543 door

because there shouldnt be

[inner torrent]

@dreamy bramble You can just out run them, they're slow and they cap at 8 max

But still, it's a bit pointless

[dreamy bramble]

didn't know they capped at 8

[inner torrent]

2 waves max, 4+4

Imagine you have cleared 535 and 536, maybe it has its use... 🤷

idk

It's weird

[dreamy bramble]

we did lol

still not really worth a whole lot

i guess it gives you time to properly set up for the surge?

the surge isn't the worst though so not really worth the ffort

[inner torrent]

Yeah maybe. But if you've gone this far, you're perfectly capable of doing a class IV surge

[dreamy bramble]

the only time i would imagine that you would want to do it is if your teammates die as soon as the c5 alarm ends

then if you're long kiting anyways you may as well shut it off

[inner torrent]

Or rather if someone dies during the surge

Because the class V on the sec door to 543 is just giants

Giants are way easier to deal with than the little ones

[dreamy bramble]

surge has spawn priority over the error iirc

[inner torrent]

Yes

[dreamy bramble]

so it wouldn't even change anything to turn off the error

[inner torrent]

Yeah idk, it's just weird

I want to find a use for this terminal lol

[west crow]

it's probably best to just kite out and kite back in to revive and finish the scan than it is to long kite and turn off an error that would've been turned off anyways

[dire notch]

anyone got tips for Discharge Prisoner Efficiency?

[fierce laurel]

go to the next level

[dire notch]

well its either Discharge or Access PE for me to unlock KDS deep

[fierce laurel]

ah

do C2

more fun

wait what do you need an overload or a PE

[dire notch]

PE

[fierce laurel]

but don't you only need 1 pe

[dire notch]

for KDS deep?

you need 4

[fierce laurel]

yeah

isn't it 11/9/5/1

wait what

[dire notch]

its 11/9/5/4

[fierce laurel]

oh

they changed it

thats weird

I see

hmm b2 PE

extreme is pretty self explanatory

overload, move as a team

don't be afraid to hit full infection

take your time

return to spawn if you need a break

send one person to pull every room they can find

you need those doors

[dire notch]

well at least you can understand what level I mean when I dont use the letter/number system 😄

most are like " huh?"

[fierce laurel]

I make it a rule to memorize every level name :3

well not really I just end up doing it

but it also has a pretty unique name

[atomic escarp]

This rundown is interesting so far. I wish I could just walk about the maps and get a good look at how the devs mapped them out sometimes, there seems to be so much care put into the layouts for enemy encounters and loot

[solemn wigeon]

Is it actually 4 PEs now?

[orchid sorrel]

5

[solemn wigeon]

to unlock E1

[clear idol]

5

[orchid sorrel]

1

[clear idol]

ohh

[orchid sorrel]

amazing what computer generation can do

whoever coded it did a good job

[atomic escarp]

I can agree with that

[solemn wigeon]

Where do you see that you need 4 PEs

big brain is confused

[dire notch]

uhm. im looking at it. lemme double check

[clear idol]

take a ss

[solemn wigeon]

^^

[dire notch]

NVM it is one

its just red for me even tho I have 3

🤣

[solemn wigeon]

Ah

thats been a bug since R4

[fair dawn]

Been itching to put out that I'm looking for a group but haven't had a chance to sit down and play. Thought about it a few times, but I'm a family man. How long can a match run?

[gleaming cedar]

20-30 mins on A tier
1 -3 hours further down.
Also depends how fast you want to play aka fast clearing vs slow clear

B4 is only 30mins

[queen nymph]

An Hour and a half if you play slow and learning. 20 mins if there are vet players try to show off

[fierce laurel]

very accurate

[mortal granite]

0.01s if you use cheat

[open forum]

Personally a tier takes me around 30 minutes
B tier takes me 30 minutes up to 1 hour if we're doing additional objectives like extreme or overload
From b tier and down its 1 hour and more

[pliant shard]

And then you look at speedruns and time shifts to A and B tiers sub 5 minutes and c-e tiers sub 30 minutes

[fierce laurel]

I mena

playing A1 with my completely new friends took a bit under an hour

[open forum]

Wish that was me 😔

[fierce laurel]

those are optimized though

so they don't count as much

[opal narwhal]

and they are the result of countless of tries

[pliant shard]

Which ones aren’t optimized?

[obtuse surge]

deez

[pliant shard]

[fierce laurel]

deez

[pliant shard]

I’ve watched over 150 hours of LULfireblade and he uses a secret technique of weapon swaps. He fully optimized all runs possible

[fierce laurel]

I mean optimize as in same seeds

so glps keys items are in the same place

[paper beacon]

If you swap your weapons really fast you get similar seeds

God himself stated that

[fierce laurel]

fair enough

[pliant shard]

You won’t get picture perfect runs but you’ll get stuff close to it

[hasty moth]

Time to ask the question.

R4 E1 vs R5 E1? 👀

[fierce laurel]

R4E1 is quite a bit harder

[pliant shard]

R5E1

[fierce laurel]

by a long shot actually

it's more fun too

[pliant shard]

But r4e1 main only was good

[fierce laurel]

opening sequence was probably one of my favorite parts of R4

whoever created that tank error alarm is a genius

you needed on point communication to get anywhere in that level

I think in R5E1 most experienced groups just blinded the latter half

[eternal dragon]

its true

[fierce laurel]

you've summoned god @pliant shard

[pliant shard]

Once you watch over 150 hours of his streams you can summon him anytime

(Also must be subscribed to his YT)

[paper beacon]

R5E1

Just what @pliant shard said as soon as you managed to constantly clear extreme in r4 the map is a joke

[solemn wigeon]

WOW

I spent a whole 5 minutes typing that out

[brittle light]

I saw you typing

what were u trying to type

[solemn wigeon]

Comparing R4E1 and R5E1 and their difficulties

[brittle light]

a

[fierce laurel]

who ghost ping >:(

[solemn wigeon]

me because my message got auto deleted for "spam" detection probably kekw

[brittle light]

[fierce laurel]

oof

[solemn wigeon]

To summarise it, R4E1 and R5E1 are both hard in their own ways, just because Dusk and I first tried it doesn't mean it was easier than R4E1

[fierce laurel]

assuming I carried 3 beginners through R5E1 it's probably easier

[mossy yoke]

try reposting it now

[solemn wigeon]

I don't have it copied

[fierce laurel]

oof

it do be like that

[solemn wigeon]

I can't :^)

dw about it tho doc

[mossy yoke]

DM'd it to you

[solemn wigeon]

kekw

[fierce laurel]

LMAO

[solemn wigeon]

Bot doesn't like me

probably either a character limit thing or the number of times I mentioned R5E1 and R44E1

[mossy yoke]

This is what they are trying to post:

It's not about being able to first try stuff. Any experienced group can first try R5A1 blind. Does that make it easier than R4A1? R4E1 (main, ignoring extreme because with extreme main was a joke) had an intense 20-25 minute Tank Error alarm sequence, descending fog, and unfamiliar alarms. Afterwards, you had a 35-40 minute stealth section with a lot of shadow scouts, ending with a tank/pmother boss fight with a total of 5 alarms.

R5E1 has 11 unique alarms, 3 of which are error alarms which leads to intense sequences; 17 zones to clear, stealth (or not if you felt special) through 3 boss enemies, plenty of points to fail etc. All in all taking around 2 hours for a casual team. It certainly wasn't easy. We got very lucky with our loadout choices, rng of fog turbines, separated scout rooms, with it almost completely collapsing at the end.

At the end of the day R4E1 and R5E1 are both technically harder in their own categories

[mossy yoke]

it's something diff, the bot is a bit aggressive due to all the CS GO steam scammers

[solemn wigeon]

ah

understandable

[fierce laurel]

We got very lucky with our loadout choices, rng of fog turbines, separated scout rooms, with it almost completely collapsing at the end.

that's a good way to explain it

[solemn wigeon]

:D

[fierce laurel]

20 minute alarm experience

[solemn wigeon]

The S IV Surge at the end tho ;-;

[fierce laurel]

that was pain

[solemn wigeon]

The one alarm we kited on kekw

[fierce laurel]

I went down like 5 times

whoops

blame the ping :3

[solemn wigeon]

bad :^)

[fierce laurel]

bad ping indeed

I'm glad you agree

[solemn wigeon]

go to school

[fierce laurel]

no

[solemn wigeon]

:(

fine I'll go

[hexed vapor]

Does any room like 156E regenerate sometimes?

Iow, it can contain two very different structures?

Actually, it looks like a lot of datacenter structures regenerate.

[orchid sorrel]

datacenter is interesting

[dapper dagger]

The interiors of B2 extreme and overload like to change each time you drop

its especially pog when the uplink terminal is in fog

[fierce laurel]

isn't that a bug

that got patched

[noble flame]

has anyone tried compiling lists of passwords for R5A3?

seems like its honestly not a bad idea to just attempt a few brute force tries into the terminals since its only 4 characters

[fierce laurel]

it's 700 words

it may be more

for R2 reactors it was around 700

assuming they use the same format (both are 4 characters) then it should be the same list

[orchid sorrel]

they might've added a few more words since then

[noble flame]

I play gacha games, those are pretty good odds

[fierce laurel]

bet

[orchid sorrel]

it's not worth it to try and brute force the passwords

[noble flame]

is it? if you get the 1/700 on the second terminal it cuts out like, two thirds of the level on Hard. If anything I'm surprised speedrunners don't try it

[orchid sorrel]

or you could get it 500/700, it's just not worth it

[fierce laurel]

speedrunners used to do it

[noble flame]

I mean obviously I wouldn't guess all 700 but ten tries takes like a minute

[fierce laurel]

it was pretty funny

when putting incorrect codes didn't have a penalty it was pretty funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i_uQRPZAOg&t=203s

[orchid sorrel]

there still isn't a penalty

[fierce laurel]

well

by penalty I mean a delay before the next code

[orchid sorrel]

ah

[fierce laurel]

yeah

[obtuse surge]

A3 WR is 3:44 duo

[brittle light]

/rant
A1's class III cluster at the end of high, without kiting and just mines, is a bitch. You mine stuff and there's just so many. Kiting them is doable, but if you don't want to kite then good luck dodging, having good spawn RNG, mine placement and aim.
//rant
A1 solo is fun, even if I constantly fail at the end. Any tips?

[paper harness]

is there a single scout in b4?

[regal thicket]

get good rng with cfoam nades or mines

[brittle light]

ye probs gonna bank it on getting 1-2 foam nades

for 1-2 doors at the end

and not use them earlier in case I do get em

[thick burrow]

Hihi

[wild ingot]

hi

[noble flame]

got a video of that? kinda want to see what tricks there are

[hexed vapor]

Go fast, get key.

guess password

[pliant shard]

Lucky 3 guesses ;)

[noble flame]

figured it was going to be something like that, still wanna see it

[pliant shard]

I’m waiting for the 4 man sub 2 minute

[fierce laurel]

go into the level finish the level

find the passwords

load into the level with the same seeds

but the password in

[thick burrow]

it's literally just us guessing passwords

[noble flame]

[thick burrow]

don't think any of us recorded as well

[vapid moon]

does anyone have a screenshot of what the ui in alpha looked like?

[worldly bison]

thoughts on the best tools to use for c3? trying to see if my squad are on the right track

gone for a sniper sentry, auto sentry, cf-launcher, mine deployer

[solemn wigeon]

4 bio

[vapid moon]

whats the difference between a sniper sentry and a sentry lmfao

[worldly bison]

got it, thanks

[solemn wigeon]

Gotta make sure you all know where the enemies are at every moment

[worldly bison]

fixed it lmfao 🤣 🤣

[vapid moon]

nice

[cedar pike]

I’ve seen a lot of people run burst + auto for the sentries

[fierce laurel]

burst

what is this

an alternate dimension?

[atomic escarp]

y i k e s

[noble flame]

what's wrong with burst

[solemn wigeon]

Burst sentry doesn't exist

[forest horizon]

burst is basically broken by design

[vapid moon]

Sniper sentry always B)

[vapid moon]

I brought 2 sniper sentries, a bio and a cfoam

The bio and cfoam can pretty much be interchanged with anything

[dusk apex]

New to the game looking for a runthrew

[granite token]

Any tips for R5E1 "Kite Da Sleepers" Deep?

[mortal granite]

don't kite

[quiet stone]

Learn to hold you ground on scans

[thick burrow]

What part you struggle with?

[queen nymph]

run fast

[fierce laurel]

kms deep

[hasty moth]

Anyone know how to reset the terminals in C3? If you start the wrong uplink?

[orchid sorrel]

what do you mean start the wrong uplink?

[hasty moth]

We started the uplink that connects to the locked terminal and dont want to open the room yet so we want to do the other one but it says "Uplink already in progress"

[orchid sorrel]

I don't think you can reset

you have to finish one, then the other

seems they fixed it in a recent patch
Fixed a bug where you could activate multiple Uplinks at the same time.

[hasty moth]

That really sucks guess we've got no choice. Now I have to memorize that bottom one is cursed and has to go last every time 😦

[orchid sorrel]

with both doors open its not that hard, just have a sniper sentry facing each door and depending on where the terminals are, have three people on one and one on the other

[mortal granite]

which terminal did you use?

first or second?

[hasty moth]

First

Anyone have any strategies for C3 extreme? Seems kind of impossible to mash each wave on the way to extraction

[atomic escarp]

Heal and force them into the sideroom

Or, If they spawn in front of you, then protect the blitzball guy until he brings to outside of the room that connects to the nframe.

Get max spawn, close the door, and book it.

A+ if you brought CFOAM

[hasty moth]

So the idea is dont kill them, trap them right?

[atomic escarp]

Pretty much. Once you leave the bulkhead it's smooth sailing.

You can kill them, but that means everyone has to not miss. That's much less reliable, especially if no one brought sniper for the hybrids.

[hasty moth]

Yeah our big problem is we tried to fight every wave and then got exhausted super fast. It seems like if you kill them another one spawns in like 5 seconds

[atomic escarp]

I think it just spawns faster, someone who has played more C3 Extreme would know better than I.

[queen nymph]

Fight until you insert the data sphere. Then just keep moving and close all the doors you can use. C-foam the second last door that is in front of the extraction until the scan is done

[hasty moth]

Problem is the wave spawns in front of us trying to leave the bulkhead

[queen nymph]

Yeah it’s gonna happen, those have to be killed

They won’t always spawn ahead unless you have bad luck lol

[mortal granite]

if you have mine

you could also put on some door if they spawn infront

you're not gonna use that door anyway if they spawn inside

[queen nymph]

If u stop moving, you lose. That’s C3 Extreme

[hasty moth]

But when the wave is in front you have to fight them and if you fight your not moving

Unless Im misunnderstanding?

[queen nymph]

I mean, they are just shadow sleepers. You can just full charge hammer to kill them

[atomic escarp]

I don't think they're shadows. I think it's just regulars and hybrids.

[hasty moth]

Can confirm 0 shadows on c3 extreme

[queen nymph]

Hm

[atomic escarp]

Kitten you might be thinking of C1?

[queen nymph]

Either way, can be killed with HEL rifle

[atomic escarp]

This is still true. I just prefer sniper.

[queen nymph]

Sniper as well

But not everyone can headshot 🙂

[atomic escarp]

We just gotta get better q__q, help me....

[queen nymph]

In an intense Situation

[atomic escarp]

One day we'll have those L4D2 stats with headshot percentage.

[queen nymph]

Even with C1, they are shadow giants not shadow sleepers zzz

I won’t hammer those zzz

[atomic escarp]

I can't see those 🙃

[queen nymph]

The hybrid is also pretty RNG based. Sleepers are just really easy to kill after the uplink part

[atomic escarp]

True, what settings you use kitten to better see shadows? Just like Max shadows?

[queen nymph]

I can’t see

[atomic escarp]

OOOF

[mortal granite]

i really want to do shadow giant bonking

[queen nymph]

C3 is alright

[mortal granite]

but everyone afraid of it

[queen nymph]

I can’t see any on D1 and E1

[atomic escarp]

Teach me Alpha. I can almost do big giants correctly.

[mortal granite]

my video

solo hammer video

[atomic escarp]

What if I said I watched it kekw

q__q I'm just shit...

[mortal granite]

if i can SEE them in this rundown

i would do a solo hammer on them

[hasty moth]

Yeah I tried running sniper and i just couldnt hit the headshots

Too many sleepers, pitch black darkness

And right after I kill one it seems like another one spawns in 10 secs

[queen nymph]

Solo is fine. Potat internet will kill us all if we try to hammer big chargers and shadow giants

[atomic escarp]

You ever just get 100-0'd by a Titan before?

I have. I felt like I was playing Tekken instead of GTFO

[queen nymph]

I don’t hammer big charger or shadow giants at all if everyone lives in different regions lol

Gonna kill the run and it’s not fun lol

[atomic escarp]

I enjoy me some hammertime, but you right. I don't touch bigBOIS if I have lag.

[paper harness]

softlocked out of a d2 complete

[mortal granite]

how do you softlock in D2 anyway

[paper harness]

person got stuck on bridge in fog

was host and had to migrate

now door to extract won't open

[queen nymph]

Oh no

[paper harness]

I'm actually so sad

[mortal granite]

unless you guys were packouring around

[paper harness]

no it's the table next to the bridge

a person jumped on it to get to the bridge and it softlocked him

[mortal granite]

i don't remember that level well

we're kinda do it really smoothly

[paper harness]

fog part going to 3rd code

there's the class 6 bridge which is d2 from last rundown

[mortal granite]

we just send a person with a bio do the 3rd code

quite easy

[paper harness]

yeah ik

[granite token]

The surge alarms. Is it RNG?

[dreamy bramble]

?

[granite token]

This is E1

[dreamy bramble]

yep

1. which surge

[granite token]

the first one

[dreamy bramble]

2. wdym by rng

[mortal granite]

the surge are rng

[dreamy bramble]

the hybrid spawns are rng, if that's what you're asking

[mortal granite]

the game is rng

[forest horizon]

try mining the right door since it doesn't matter and put sentries down

[granite token]

which special weapon work the best during the surge?

Machinegun or Combat shotty

[dreamy bramble]

probably the shotty for the average player

[quiet stone]

If anything, C foam the right door since they'll insta respawn anyway if you place a mine

[dreamy bramble]

cfoam is more important than mining but mines stagger the wave

it can be tough to deal with 25 enemies all at once

[mortal granite]

25 enemies

gone

with 1 mine

[granite token]

which buys you more time

[quiet stone]

and instantly respawned and back through the door

[dreamy bramble]

ye

[mortal granite]

c-foam bought you 5 - 10 seconds

mine bought you 3 more seconds

[quiet stone]

they spawn ontop of the door btw

so they're back through instantly

[obtuse surge]

there's 2 spawns

[quiet stone]

Yes, left and right

I find they mostly spawn right

[obtuse surge]

so

[mortal granite]

middle as well

[obtuse surge]

if they all spawn 1 side

you kill em and then the next spawns on the other side

[granite token]

machinegun or combat shotty?

[obtuse surge]

huge

[quiet stone]

Yeah didn't think of that actually

We only really setup for the right hand side door

[obtuse surge]

it's also why going back to turn of alarms after powering the 2nd gen can be worth it

the last surge would be very easy if you cfoam the 4 doors available

and there's enough cfoam in that zone to do so

[granite token]

What is the hardest? D1 or E1?

[mortal granite]

still E1

D1 is long

[obtuse surge]

yes

[quiet stone]

They're both different

[granite token]

D1 is just a minefield and a chore

(if you do extreme)

of course

[mortal granite]

i would say the same as E1

[granite token]

D1 is more stealth while E1 is more kite

😄

[mortal granite]

but E1 is more "enjoyable"

[quiet stone]

[granite token]

yeah

that's why it's called KDS

[quiet stone]

People actually enjoy D1?

[mortal granite]

i don't see anyone would speedrun D1 "PE"

[granite token]

because KDS means "Kite Da Sleepers"

[mortal granite]

if you kite

[quiet stone]

[mortal granite]

then it would be longer than D1 level

[granite token]

but hey at least E1 is fun

because it's fast paced

sorta

[quiet stone]

Not if you kite everything

[granite token]

hence KDS

[quiet stone]

[granite token]

Guys, how do you activate the Giant slap btw

????

[west crow]

What

[granite token]

basically when you attack the giant

the giant slaps you

but if you want to activate it

how do you activate it

so you can avoid it

[mortal granite]

get about 2 meter near giants

dash backward

[obtuse surge]

insult his mother

[granite token]

lmao

[mortal granite]

use the gamer word

[granite token]

😄

Are there shadows, shadow giants and shadow scouts in E1

???

[obtuse surge]

E1 has every enemy except for big birther

[granite token]

I am the shadow activator

ohh i see

[queen nymph]

D2 is harder than E1 I think

[granite token]

lolno

It's so much fun tbh

than D1 and E1

At least we have the reactor

[solemn wigeon]

D2 is really easy in comparison to E1 imo

[queen nymph]

E1 is easy tho

[solemn wigeon]

The first and last alarms of E1 are the hardest parts of it

Both are imo harder than D2

[queen nymph]

Only the first alarm is hard. You just shoot everything for the last alarm

[granite token]

and u mine and c foam every door which makes the last surge really bit easier.

[solemn wigeon]

What if you've lost all the doors before starting kek

[queen nymph]

I mean, that’s hard unless you kill too fast or you didn’t time the spawn time

[solemn wigeon]

Regardless, d2 is easy too

[thick burrow]

Not sure what you mean by that; but if you’re talking about the scan sequences themselves, yes

[granite token]

i see thanks

[solemn wigeon]

I swear the last surge is set

[dreamy bramble]

it is

[fierce laurel]

what do you mean by surge being rng

[dire notch]

where the scans pop up I think

[vapid moon]

d1 has more kiting than e1 wut

[solemn wigeon]

Where do you kite on e1

[vapid moon]

i mean i guess you can kite for first error, but other than that not really.

[thick burrow]

[vapid moon]

am i missing some context? do some people kite e1?

[thick burrow]

It’ not that uncommon, one mistake and you can get overrun

So most people resort to kiting to stabilize the situation a bit

[vapid moon]

i only really kite to stabilize first surge but after that its just run and gun

[solemn wigeon]

Just run up the ladder in the fog and use that to clear wave

[dark bane]

what are diminished scans again?

[brittle light]

smol wave. U hit wave, even just 1-2? New wave.
Quicker, semi-constant trickle of enemies instead of having waves with breaks inbetween.

At least that's what it feels like.

[regal thicket]

almost zero difference to normal scan in a larger perspective

[heavy wave]

its dealable in D2 class 9 compared to a surge version

[solemn wigeon]

by the 5th scan sequence on that class IX, you have the equivalent of a full wave anyway

[vapid moon]

I wish it was a regular IX

[solemn wigeon]

same

[fierce laurel]

The D2 IX scan is pretty easy honestly

[heavy wave]

^

[fierce laurel]

people panic too much

[solemn wigeon]

You went down in it

[fierce laurel]

shut

[vapid moon]

[heavy wave]

z op though

[fierce laurel]

;;;

[heavy wave]

still havent finished a D lvl

[solemn wigeon]

do D2

more fun than D1

[fierce laurel]

you'll get there sometime!

keep grinding :3

[vapid moon]

D2 is easier than d1

[heavy wave]

at least in R5 i havent

[fierce laurel]

D1 makes me want to die

[heavy wave]

in R4 i did all

[fierce laurel]

honestly I liked R4 more than R5 for a long time

[vapid moon]

D1 Ex is boring with randos cause they just sit for so long

[fierce laurel]

then R5 ext came out

[vapid moon]

R5 is fun the first time around, but after that its eh. R5.5 is great tho.

[heavy wave]

just fucking carry me z

[solemn wigeon]

and then ur mom came out :)^

[fierce laurel]

okay quad

[vapid moon]

Poor dusk lol

[solemn wigeon]

i bully him too much

[fierce laurel]

He bullies me :(

[vapid moon]

Sure, we'll beat d1 ex in 90 min

[heavy wave]

i wanna seeee

[fierce laurel]

d1 ex takes longer than E1

[solemn wigeon]

true

[vapid moon]

E1 is like 90 min to 2 hours, d1 ex is like 90 min as long as you dont wait in a corner

[fierce laurel]

it took 3:30 just to get to the 2nd half of ex

[vapid moon]

My comp was only 1:36 I think

[solemn wigeon]

???????????

[fierce laurel]

tbf we had two blind (first time D1 ex) players but

pain

[solemn wigeon]

When you ran D1 ex?

[clear idol]

my team took 2 hr but I had to go afk for like 30-40 mins

levels just tedious and annoying LOL

[vapid moon]

Ye d1 ex took me 1:39.

[fierce laurel]

yeah

[solemn wigeon]

wow

[fierce laurel]

skill difference

[solemn wigeon]

mine took 2:05 :pepehands:

[fierce laurel]

I hate my life

quad help me beat it

or I cri

[clear idol]

nah dont feel bad

levels just fucking annoying LOL

[fierce laurel]

it is

[vapid moon]

Its ok, I know multiple R5E1 completionists that haven't beaten r5d1 ex cause it's so annoying

[fierce laurel]

like me

[solemn wigeon]

Me and helping on D1 Ex don't go together

[fierce laurel]

fair enough

[clear idol]

d1 ex just sucks

ty for coming to my ted talk

[solemn wigeon]

D1 high tho 😓

[fierce laurel]

that was a short ted talk

[solemn wigeon]

oops wrong emoji

[clear idol]

I like D1 high

[solemn wigeon]

🥵

[clear idol]

d1 ext 😩

[fierce laurel]

thats even worse quad

I'd rather you keep the first emoji

D1 high is fun blind

but the more you play it the more you die inside

[vapid moon]

10/10 audio book I listen to it while I sleep

[solemn wigeon]

Playing R5D1 high for the first time is like playing R1D1 for the first time

[fierce laurel]

you would know wouldn't you

[solemn wigeon]

They are the same level kek

[vapid moon]

I hate high, I like extrme

[fierce laurel]

I know

[clear idol]

back to osrs i go

goodbye

[vapid moon]

High is just a key quest

[solemn wigeon]

not even rs3

[clear idol]

fuck rs3

[solemn wigeon]

fuck you

[vapid moon]

Extrme is at least interesting and high stakes

[fierce laurel]

whats osrs

[solemn wigeon]

i mean both osrs and rs3 are shit so

[clear idol]

#general

[solemn wigeon]

sh

[vapid moon]

Whay do either of those mean

[solemn wigeon]

What is this? monster hunter?

[fierce laurel]

okay I leave now

[vapid moon]

Yes

[heavy wave]

I mean

[solemn wigeon]

Pog

[heavy wave]

They are monsters

we are hunters

ez new gtfo name

[solemn wigeon]

We are crying in the corner

[heavy wave]

nan, you are crying in the corner

im walking here

insert boston accent

[solemn wigeon]

Couldn't be me

[vapid moon]

I think its you

[solemn wigeon]

:(

[cedar pike]

looks like someone got their account hacked lol

[sick hornet]

<@&408548765599793173>

[peak niche]

thanks

[sick hornet]

one in questions as well

well that was fast dang

[hasty moth]

Does foaming a moving target make the foam fall off?

[gleaming cedar]

Pretty sure it gets absorbed and then freezes when the required foam blob count is reached

[fierce laurel]

Mmhm

[broken sun]

what are all the possible a3 4-letter passwords?

[mortal granite]

800+ words

[hexed vapor]

BANK, OMEN, OBOE, KIWI, KILL, JAIL, JURY, THIS, THAT, OPEN, MOVE, REED, RIDE, JIVE, HILL, TZAR, POOL...

[obtuse surge]

FEET

[queen nymph]

FAIL

[west crow]

Always guess the trusted three before attempting your code search: KITE IDLE and MILK

[atomic escarp]

LAMP, one of 10 games for me always has LAMP.

[clear idol]

or RUST

[vapid moon]

Of course wesley names feet

[uneven thunder]

uplink_verify coom

[queen field]

d o n ' t

[vapid moon]

Milk

[lilac cloak]

does sniper kill ||charger scout|| 1shot anywhere?

[fierce laurel]

back

only

hel rifle and sniper both have the same base damage, the only exception being snipers pretty insane crit mulitplier

due to charger scouts not having any multipliers except the back thats the only place where you can kill it

[vapid moon]

Hel rifle does shotgun damage

[lilac cloak]

Thanks for the knowledge :+1:

[keen rampart]

how much foam exactly need the big mother?

[hasty moth]

Has anyone else been locked out of C3?

[candid dragon]

probably 24-25 pellets.
assuming perfect foaming.

two direct c-foam nades generally

[solemn wigeon]

Wdym

Nvm I saw your post in questions

[fierce laurel]

did you finish the first terminal?

if yes then probably a bug

[hasty moth]

We did one terminal, beat the wave, put the last code in. Unlocked the next terminal but it didn't let us put in the second IP. It gave the error like we were trying to do two at once and locked us out of the level

[solemn wigeon]

What happened if you went back to the first terminal

[fierce laurel]

that's an oof

[solemn wigeon]

And was there any host migration

[hasty moth]

We forced one as a last attempt to try to fix it. But there wasn't one before that.

[hasty moth]

It said uplink complete on it, I posted the screen shots in #gtfo-technical-support

[solemn wigeon]

Wack

[hasty moth]

Yeah, after trying a bunch of random stuff for 20 minutes our host decided to leave and rejoin to force a host migration and instead of migrating it just kicked us back to the lobby with our new boosters from the artifacts we had.

So I'm kind of wondering does this happen to anyone else? And does the order matter for terminals now or something?

[solemn wigeon]

Naw

Never had any issue with it myself

[obtuse surge]

yeh its fucked

was not first attempt since boot?

seems like it might be saving some shit onto the next run

i've had it where i can't start the first uplink

haven't done shit

you can also still connect multiple times

which will also fuck things up

not 100% confirmed yet but it seems like if you return to lobby during an uplink (including forcefully by team wipe), you'll have to restart your game if you want to still be able to do uplinks

maybe expedition swap or new lobby works too don't know

and you'll have the same issue if you connect twice

because you only end one

can we get another hotfix 👏

[fierce laurel]

shit accidentally pinged someone

@dev time

[clear idol]

LOL

[fierce laurel]

aaaaaaaaa I'm so sorry ;;;;;;;;;

[obtuse surge]

@hasty moth does that match what happened to you?

did you fail during the uplink on a previous attempt?

[hasty moth]

Kind of, we attempted the level once and got wiped in the first uplink. 2 people left, 2 new people joined. Host stayed and we tried again.

In the first attempt we started with the first terminal in the list, and on the second attempt we started with the second.

[obtuse surge]

yeh untill they patch it, if you want to be safe you'll need to have everyone restart their game if you wiped during an uplink

[hasty moth]

Wow, thats a pretty crazy bug. I'll keep that in mind for future runs. Glad I know now.

[obtuse surge]

don't know if it happens for the regular uplinks like on C1 too

[dapper dagger]

the 2 uplinks patch only affects C3

you can still do B2 extreme and C1 main uplinks at the same time

[hexed vapor]

@hasty moth Yep, just got it.

Soft-lock if you wipe mid-uplink.

Had a better set-up as well.

[hasty moth]

Damn, yeah C3 is just broken.

[queen nymph]

It’s been like that for awhile now. Uplink code is all gone when you are down.

[bold widget]

Pistol one shots babys right?

[orchid sorrel]

probably

[raw pine]

how many cells do we need to clear B4 btw

2 ?

[bold widget]

You dont need any actually

They are only if you want ressources still pretty useful thoe so it depens on your speed if you can get two go for it you also have more doors to use for mines to clear the waves

[stable aurora]

anyone know how many consumable tripmines it takes to 1shot a tank?

[orchid sorrel]

7 or 8. it doesn't work a lot of the time, so it's just better to shoot it

[stable aurora]

Yeah but isn't that for mine deployer? pretty sure consumable mines do less dmg

[orchid sorrel]

even then, it does not work 100% of the time. It's better to just shoot it

[turbid cliff]

To the body nope

[turbid cliff]

Back in R2 devs said so but rn it seems to be same crap afaik

[stable aurora]

Alright thanks

[mortal granite]

i don't think consumable mine do the same damage as the mine in mine deployer

and i think you need to double the amount of consumable mine to actually kill Tank

even that, it's not even 100% you will kill the tank

[fierce laurel]

I never noticed a difference

[turbid cliff]

Tank mines were supposedly patched weren't they

[orchid sorrel]

it doesn't work as well, or they put faster enemies in front of the tank

[halcyon void]

So have people figured out a strat for C3 terminals besides sending one guy in to kite?

[keen rampart]

Just defend?

[queen field]

2 people defending, 2 people doing the terminals

that's all ?

[atomic escarp]

Mhm

[keen rampart]

@queen field well worked out for us

[queen nymph]

just shoot

[solemn wigeon]

Just kite

[clear idol]

just play better

[clear idol]

2 defend 2 terminal users

with a few doors mined in 378 and both sniper sentries out thr main door its fesable both people can defend

[mortal granite]

the 2 terminal users can use sniper or hel rifle and snipe from where ever they are

[clear idol]

yeah

and in most cases i was able to stay off terminal while waiting for code and defend from any stragglers

[mortal granite]

it's almost 3 - 1

[clear idol]

what ya mean