but lower visibility will get you get hit more often
#gtfo-spoiler-chat
nocturne flax
west gorge
clear idol
its nice though well done tbh
prisma zodiac
imo stuff like that is way more interesting if done right than simply adding another "do this or that" mission
Adds a whole other level of athmosphere to the high part
remote karma
A bit stupid question: what's the purpose of zone under lockdown on D1?
atomic escarp
A bit stupid question: what's the purpose of zone under lockdown on D1?
Its got a terminal in there with lore and you can get more resources too.
vapid moon
wow
nocturne flax
Gotta read fast
or the shadows are gonna eat your ass :PirateSimon:
queen nymph
Not useful for d1 extreme tho 😂
quiet stone
A musical pirate!
lyric narwhal
the enemies in c2 overload just stop spawning at a certain point regardless of whether youre in the scan right
thats what ive been told
candid pelican
if you spawn cap it, sure
lyric narwhal
no i dont mean that ive been told that they just stop spawning
after like a certain amount of time
candid pelican
Eventually, I believe so
but its no point
thats just a waste of ammo if you continously kill them outside of the spawn to wait for them to stop spawning
Pretty sure though, it gives up after a certain amount of time of it being spawn capped tho
Don't quote me on that
velvet flower
There's no more spawn after the mother, yes.
forest horizon
Its not really that they stop spawning, its that the spawns are limited
There are a set amount of them
nocturne flax
i mean
unless you enjoy sitting on a scan for 5+ min straight without doing anything
then you do you
playing the actual alarm its a lot more fun and saves a lot of time
queen nymph
I mean, either way, people are going to keep using the max spawn strat and ask people to leave the lobby when they die from kiting in the S1 scan 
nocturne flax
I mean, either way, people are going to keep using the max spawn strat and ask p...
we back in r2 or someshit? the fuck lmao
queen nymph
Yeah...
dull lotus
what is the new enemy in r5
queen nymph
my mom
dull lotus
damn that is under whelming
calm vessel
is called chowda
teal ginkgo
lol
queen nymph
It’s called chihuahua
open owl
Sup y'all, I've got a question.
What is your go-to way of dealing with alerted mothers? Clear baby wave and then rush her?
dreamy bramble
most people try to bait the mother into a better spot then burn her while she spawns babies
i.e. camping behind a closed door or outside a bulkhead
remote karma
I mean, either way, people are going to keep using the max spawn strat and ask p...
It really delivers satisfaction when you play with randos and refuse to disconnect in such cases or start killing their spawn cap of giants :D
Some lovers of cheese actually become mad. Despite identifying from the very beginning that my cheese tolerance is extremely low. Unless it's something extremely minor and fun.
queen nymph
It really delivers satisfaction when you play with randos and refuse to disconne...
hmmmmmm
hexed vapor
i.e. camping behind a closed door or outside a bulkhead
This, any corner w/ a long enough wall works. She won't spawn w/out LoS, so you can wait for her to walk up to you or be in a good spot to just rush her.
If you have combat shotgun, it's pretty good for cleaning up babies as they spawn so other people can do damage.
This has been talked about before, but why do the early combat-focused levels hard-stuck newer players so hard?
R2B1, R3A3, and R5B1 high are mainly what come to mind.
turbid cliff
because shit's non-standard
wonky animations, sleepers going around everywhere making you miss shots, aim punch is insane, default fov is ass (some sort of mouse delay was a thing too), headless enemies survive
etc etc
also the whole resource management thing
lots of people seem to like blasting
stealth fuckups also a big part of that
also the client experience
probably the worst of them all
falloff is wtf too
Oh and people being walls and seemingly encouraged to be walls instead of dodging even shooter shots
turbid cliff
the scan circles, the default fov, and the whole sights thing
people get the impression they're supposed to stand still as i said
hexed vapor
Doesn't help that the game rewards you for being able to stand still, too.
Although, I get the sense that people are often bad at giving themselves those windows.
Especially when enemy pathing is so hard to learn.
covert summit
guys is there a way to 1 hit the c.scout?
covert summit
1 and a half hit?
atomic escarp
2 back melees kill the charger scout
vapid moon
1 and a half hit?
2 full charges to the back will kill.
hexed vapor
You only need one to back.
pulsar pawn
I think you need 2
hexed vapor
You need 42 damage, one to back with max back damage is 40, so even w/ very low back damage it will prolly die.
(need 2 additional damage from back multi since 20+20 w/ two full-charged hammers)
vapid moon
damn, wouldve been cooler if it needed 2 back shots, better team work :(
boreal tendon
so if you have 5%+ melee damage booster then u can oneshot him with single full-charge hammer to the back?
dreamy bramble
with perfect back multiplier yep
jagged marten
where is the highest possible fall damage currently in this rundown?
hexed vapor
where is the highest possible fall damage currently in this rundown?
There's a few very vertical dig site tiles that might give you a ton of fall damage from their highest points to their lowest points in B1 and B3, but I think the highest will likely be from climbing the reactor in D1.
sick hornet
bad news, ray
i dont think the reactor can be climbed anymore
they got rid of the X on one of the panels you needed to climb on
sick hornet
😔
vapid moon
why does fundo have the "shhhh" role
muted topaz
D1 Ext illuminati confirmed
fresh fulcrum
is there a lore terminal in d1 ext?
granite scarab
think it's just the one after high obj
fresh fulcrum
dang i must have missed that then since i already beat high
slender fossil
hexed vapor
......We expect to have most of the equipment moved from the Belarus facility to storage hangar 3 by next week. We will begin BIOCOM installation in hangar 4 immediately after........
This one?
Or is it not on wiki?
gritty temple
c1 is the worst mission
pulsar pawn
Or a HEL Rifle
gritty temple
not based on difficulty but the level design
is just annoying
but maybe im just a baby
queen nymph
I feel you
nocturne flax
Or a HEL Rifle
Pfff
forest horizon
but maybe im just a baby
You aren't wrong, its the worst level they've ever made imo. The only thing it has going for it is the new tiles
forest horizon
How is it not
forest horizon
Literally the entire level including extreme is just the same thing
Same tiles, same objectives, everything
nocturne flax
There we go
Finally
No objective variation and repeated tiles
Thank you
In my opinion the level its fun, specially if you stealth it instead of hammering shit but your 100% right they reused the hell out of the tiles they had
forest horizon
What gets me is that the devs want you to stealth the respawn room but if you have bad rng its not even viable to do so
Just run through lmao
So they literally had to make it easier by getting rid of 90% of the hybrids
queen nymph
For me, the design is pretty decent. I just don't like doing 24 codes in one map XD Doing 12 codes in one map is enough for me XD
nocturne flax
All the times i had enemy spawning on top of a scan it was only like 1 guy
You must be a unlucky guy
forest horizon
I meant stealth on the way back
Doing it beforehand is definitely viable
floodways in general is just a huge miss imo because they all involve doing some thing on a terminal or collecting plants
At least the tiles themselves are really well made
mortal granite
it's missing something
they need to make another new enemy that's easy to kill
but terrify when you fucked up
forest horizon
snatcher
nocturne flax
Floodways needs more rooms really
bleak canopy
it's missing something
Yeah I was hoping for more variation of enemies. I don't count spawners as enemies, so the only "new" enemy we got was a reskin of a scout that has higher health, moves a bit faster when patrolling, and I think can melee.
nocturne flax
I mean cocoons are a new mechanic
Not really an enemy
Floodways feels like theres suppose to be a en enemy
But we didnt get it
bleak canopy
I remember when the rundown came out, I couldn't play the first week because of work but my buddies did and they kept hinting about something on the ceiling and I got all excited thinking it was a new enemy, but then disappointed that it was a new mechanic that is more annoying than challenging. Very annoying for me, because I like to clear the map out of all enemies so long as it doesn't waste needed resources and doesn't jeopardize the run.
nocturne flax
I mean you could always just skip them or just spend 3 min in a room to do whatever you need to do like in c1
And the clear when you have to
Theres many ways to deal with respawn rooms
mortal granite
Yeah I was hoping for more variation of enemies. I don't count spawners as enemi...
they don't have higher health i believe
people got stuck into 1 idea and that's clearing the room
Now the devs added in a new mechanic and everyone feeling like the end of the world
obtuse cedar
stealth doesn't only need to be use to clear rooms. you can just leave stuff be and avoid fights
orchid sorrel
they don't have higher health i believe
it has higher health than a normal scout
mortal granite
it has higher health than a normal scout
no
you can 2 fully charge hammer scout on the back
just like with the charger scout
obtuse cedar
it's just an armored charger
dreamy bramble
only one even needs to be a full back shot. the other guy has to do literally like 4 damage, so if they charge even a little to the front it'll die
atomic escarp
42 health versus 60 : ^ )
dreamy bramble
am i dumb
atomic escarp
Always
dreamy bramble
true
sweet spindle
just wondering, are there shadow sleepers in this rundown?
clear idol
c2 high
sweet spindle
that's awesome
fallen surge
B2 just that unpopular that nobody ever seems to have parties for it?
queen nymph
B2 just that unpopular that nobody ever seems to have parties for it?
Because lots of people hate it so much that no one wants to revisit that map
queen nymph
High is relatively easy tho
bitter lantern
Any tips for clearing the final alarm in A1? This second time my team got there with ~75% health and ammo and still failed.
How do we balance capturing versus killing creatures?
atomic escarp
You can reroute them to entering from the far door if you're not trying to permafoam
Like leave the far door open so they path to entering there
dreamy bramble
it's never random
they choose path of least resistance
so if a door is open, they take it
bitter lantern
What's Perma-foam?
dreamy bramble
cfoaming a door over and over
queen nymph
We'll give it a shot nextime. Thanks
I mean, it’s the shortest path. Least resistance sounds like they will break the doors that are not reinforced. But it’s the closet door that they can travel to
bitter lantern
So won't they always pick the same door regardless of if it's open or not
queen nymph
Ahhh if you open the door they will go through the open door
Nvm
Least resistance does make sense
Loooool
Maybe both
Least resistance or the closest door to break
bitter lantern
lol damn
Well we lost pretty bad
What's the general strategy? Just cap as quick as humanly possible or make a chokepoint?
queen nymph
Do the scan as fast as you can lol?
queen nymph
Don’t just stand in the spot for extra 5 seconds after the scan is done I guess
bitter lantern
We lost on the second set of tiny scans
queen nymph
Common mistake that people just stand in the spot. Always check the progression and move the moment you finish the scan
The more people in the scan, the fast the scan goes
Doesn’t mean you have to have the whole team to stand in the same circle. It just means you should help the other teammates when there are no circles around you
atomic escarp
Me when me and a teammate stand on the same scan then move to the other because one was already standing in one
Coordination
queen nymph
Improvise. Adapt. Overcome
jolly raven
quiet stone
agile quail
obtuse surge
Me when me and a teammate stand on the same scan then move to the other because ...
this but both of you move to the other scan 
maybe that's what u meant actually
dont know
does anyone know if regen speed decreases the time it takes for regen to kick in
or does it just increase the speed once it kicked in
glass ivy
Does anyone know if the type of boosters you get are level specific or they all just rng? Trying to get some bio scan speed boosters but no luck
dapper dagger
rng
crimson mural
How many c foam nades does it take to coat a tank in COOM?
nocturne flax
2 granades
thick burrow
How many c foam nades does it take to coat a tank in COOM?
2
it only staggers him for like 2 seconds
west crow
or does it just increase the speed once it kicked in
Believe it only affects how much health you regen after the standard 1 sec
obtuse surge
its ok i wasted my booster to test it
5s before regen kicks in, doesn't change
health updates every 1s after that and the amount you heal is what's affected by the booster
west crow
Ye
nocturne flax
Regen speed more like
drop booster
west crow
😢
pseudo pumice
_ _
grave pasture
are the spawns in a2 overload all mum spawns?
the babies seem too many then again havent played in a long time
candid dragon
Yeah, babs.
granite token
how hard is c1?
west crow
depends, how hard did you think b3 was?
granite token
It was manageable, one of the enjoyable maps so far in this rundown
If you know what you're doing and you have good communicating teammates, you're good
nocturne flax
Do you like s1?
west crow
that's anything
nocturne flax
Kekw
west crow
I can take a shower better if I know what I'm doing and have good communicating teammates
granite token
If you've done R4E1 previously, even better because it's basically it's more easier version of R4E1. It will be cheese to you.
granite token
Do you like s1?
Not really
nocturne flax
Oh oohh
west crow
it's not that bad
granite token
i see
west crow
the two s1s are high and are inbetween the uplinks you have to do
granite token
😄
west crow
the devs have never done something lazy like that before
turbid cliff
The first s1 difficulty is kinda inconsistent since it really depends on whether the sleepers decide to clump up or not
granite token
rng?
nocturne flax
Theres no rng
west crow
it's just how they path
nocturne flax
Hug the left side of the scan
granite token
What type of S1 it is? (BC, M, Classed, or the Singular?)
west crow
single scan
granite token
the big one then
nocturne flax
Ye
west crow
yes
turbid cliff
When they come a few at a time all nice and lined up vs when there's 10+ in one big ball
granite token
No shadows or shadow giants?
nocturne flax
Just bring one pump 4head
turbid cliff
At least one of the fuckers will go through you
west crow
not unless you're doing extreme
nocturne flax
Terminal triggers them
granite token
they don't spawn naturally at the level but they do spawn after the extreme terminal?
west crow
yes
proud saddle
wtf spoilers
west crow
sboiler sbchat
granite token
i mean this is spolier chat bro
how many shadows will spawn?
standard error or surge?
turbid cliff
2 week spoiler period is over anyway, spoilers are just a matter of courtesy
nocturne flax
wtf spoilers
Your in the gtfo spoiler chat....... what do you expect
proud saddle
spoilers
west crow
||High
- 2 Sustain S1 Alarms
- 2 Hub Rooms with standard 30 seconds respawn timer and stealth scans to lead to adjacent zones
- 2, 7 code Terminal Uplinks within the adjacent zones of the hub rooms, can spawn on either size (RNG)
- 1 Error alarm after the final uplink is completed, containing 4 sleepers, with a possible charger spawn
- Return to point of extraction, 2 or so minute scan
Extreme - Opens after the final uplink is completed, door controller found in the second hub respawn room
- Contains 1 birther in one of Extreme zones
- Contains shadow sleepers spread around the Extreme zones
- 10 code Terminal Uplink that, when completed, stops previous error alarm and replaces it with a single shadow giant every minute or so
||
there you go, that's basically everything
west crow
if I didn't list it, it's not there
turbid cliff
Probably big mother
granite token
shadow giants?
turbid cliff
🤔
granite token
ok
candid pelican
Shadow giants arent rare
Brood mothers are rarer
I think brood mothers has only been seen 3 times
At this point
candid pelican
Yepp
atomic escarp
😦 Here I thought they'd give birth to strikers instead of babies
candid pelican
@atomic escarp Was the tank in r4e1 a normal tank or did they make a big tank variant?
atomic escarp
Normal tank
candid pelican
Oke
vapid moon
What if moms spawned more moms, which spawned more moms, which spawned more moms, which spawned more moms, which spawned more moms, which spawned more...
candid pelican
Tanks
tribal cosmos
momception
queen nymph
Mom spawns baby tank
vapid moon
they just get smaller each time
pulsar pawn
Mom spawning moms would likely destroy computers ngl
vapid moon
beat the level before your pc turns into a bomb
pulsar pawn
The mother screaming noise starts coming out of your gpu
vapid moon
10cc break down your door and starts hitting you with a bat
POV: Your playing CS:GO IRL, but its in your house and your on CT-side
graceful geyser
vapid moon
rare
stable owl
hello
now figuring out and finding where is door 218
im in 215 but there is no 218
thick burrow
Would help if we know what map you’re on
tropic raptor
hello
now figuring out and finding where is door 218
im in 215 but there is no 2...
That sounds like C2, in which case 218 would be all the way over east connected to zone 211 (zone you start in)
stable owl
That sounds like C2, in which case 218 would be all the way over east connected ...
appreaciated the reply
tropic raptor
no problem
thick burrow
That sounds like C2, in which case 218 would be all the way over east connected ...
brains of the team 
tropic raptor
brains of the team <a:peepoShy:843931927013883916>
easy looking smart when you play with a team of monkeys <.<
thick burrow
west crow
i love you robert
obtuse cedar
lmao
coarse echo
GROUP OF 4 GO INTO SOMEWHERE THEYVE NEVER BEEN. ONE CALLS SUPPORT CENTER TO ASK WHERE TO GO. THEY TELL THEM EAST SIDE. AFTER HANGING UP, THE SUPPORT CENTER CREW CALLS THEM MONKIES " LOL MONKEY CANT FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GO"
WTF
west crow
oh god I love you so much
MY GRANDMOTHER ASKS ME HOW TO LOGIN TO FACEBOOK I TELL HER USE YOUR USERNAME AND PASSWORD. AFTER HANGING UP, I CALL MY GRANDMOTHER A MONKEY "LOL MONKEY CANT FIGURE OUT HOW TO LOGIN TO FACEBOOK"
WTF
coarse echo
Beep the analogy is good but csn you stop saying you love me
west crow
oh my god he noticed me
coarse echo
Stop
vapid moon
coarse echo
Omg stop living in irony
coarse echo
Beep do you think it's any less gross if you eat cow shit and say " HAHA! Funny joke "
vapid moon
west crow
Depends if it's your cow or not
obtuse cedar
what is this becoming
vapid moon
A romance
obtuse cedar
a very bad one at that
coarse echo
LOL thanks for telling me its a funny joke if you ate cow shit
west crow
I can't control what someone might find funny, Robert
but we all make sacrifices for the people we care about
coarse echo
Ok
west crow
Besides Robert, the beauty of irony is in its inaction and freedom of consequence
it's not "I ate cow shit, isn't that funny?"
it's "Wouldn't it be funny if I ate cow shit?"
queen nymph
Where is Justin ?
vapid moon
On an island
brisk summit
Lets remember to keep this channel on topic to game spoilers please ♥
atomic escarp
||Beep and robert get together||
fierce laurel
how do you deal with the surge at the end of C2?
we got swarmed even before we finished the second scan
and they come from all over the place
coarse echo
Quinoa's response sounds troll but you have to shoot them off of yourselves. Idk what else to suggest
tropic raptor
GROUP OF 4 GO INTO SOMEWHERE THEYVE NEVER BEEN. ONE CALLS SUPPORT CENTER TO ASK ...
just to clarify, i was calling the guys i usually play with monkeys. not the guys who asked for help
coarse echo
? No need to clarify just need to work on conveying information
tropic raptor
yeah, since i responded directly to Kaneki, who is one of the ones it was aimed towards, I didnt think much about it but see now upon re-reading how it looks
coarse echo
I appreciate you not taking offense to the way I said it
obtuse surge
can you reliably kill charger scout with combat shotgun?
pulsar zodiac
give it a test
pulsar zodiac
one to the back or two
sterile isle
obtuse cedar
D1 charger scout is easy to get too
lost holly
if you just kill it it dies
obtuse surge
i found out that i need more than max ammo to get through the second alarm solo
lost holly
🙂
obtuse surge
without kiting
thick burrow
i found out that i need more than max ammo to get through the second alarm solo
Can boosters help?
obtuse surge
will be fine if i clear both sidezones
and then just carry extra ammopack on me
but yeh with boosters you would be able to skip that
thick burrow
+- 10 ammopacks should be pretty manageable
obtuse surge
which would mean only 2 entry points for the alarm so it would be slightly easier
thick burrow
what tools you took with you?
obtuse surge
sniper sentry
obtuse surge
i missed an ammopack actually
that i could have carried
so maybe it's fine with just 1 zone anyway
but the extra tool would probably still be nice
thick burrow
i missed an ammopack actually
The two use in 69?
With just two zones you should be at like 6 packs or something depending if they’re split or not
obtuse surge
yee
BC alarm and reactor zone with tank seem like the main issues for high solo
for sleeping birther/tank you just hope you can let them sleep
fierce laurel
does D1 have an error alarm on drop
atomic escarp
It does not
fierce laurel
interesting
we haven't had a final level err alarm in quite some time
if you don't count R4D2
sick hornet
R4E1?
fierce laurel
I mean if you don't count pre ext. in R4
turbid cliff
Why would you not count ext
uneven creek
-_-
turbid cliff
That's a very vague question
Host a lobby, hold the button to drop in, boom you're playing solo
uneven creek
No no
uneven creek
Its hard play solo?
fierce laurel
there's no difficulty scaling which means that everything is 4x as hard
uneven creek
Okey thanks
fierce laurel
you have the same amount of enemies so instead of 4 people fighting 15 enemies its 1 person fighting 15 enemies
turbid cliff
Easily more than 4x
fierce laurel
scans take 4x as long
fierce laurel
Easily more than 4x
rough estimate
turbid cliff
But with same enemies per wave and much longer scans you're fighting more waves already
Just your two examples are enough to say it's more than 4x
obtuse surge
man this game blows
i guess D1 might be a bit harder because once again the devs felt like we needed heavy rng on alarm spawns
the charger only class 6 + a big 👌
mmm yes the exact same difficulty as my previous run
i was getting frustrated because the class 5 has the hybrid rng
but nvm this ones way worse 
vapid moon
wtf is speed bug lmao
thick burrow
the charger only class 6 + a big 👌
The big just creeping around the corner 
vapid moon
is it the same as collision bug?
thick burrow
What do you mean?
vapid moon
i hear people talk about speed bug and idk what it is
obtuse surge
i killed 35+ chargers and i had only finished the first 2 sets of scans
guess i do need 10 fucking ammopacks if it does shit like that
thick burrow
People have been talking about running in a rectangular motion in 69
From corner to corner, but i don’t see the point in that
obtuse surge
i know you can
but i'd rather not
i get through the first alarm pretty consistent without kiting and taking half an hour to do it
thick burrow
Do you clear out 74/75?
obtuse surge
only clear A
using ammo on bigs
did just one zone because it would be enough ammo if the game doesn't spawn only chargers for the entire alarm
sick hornet
i hear people talk about speed bug and idk what it is
speed bug is nekos excuse as to why he cant play the game anymore 
wait thats spec bug
pretty sure speed bug is the collision one, yea
vapid moon
speed bug is nekos excuse as to why he cant play the game anymore <:kekw:7126262...
that explains why he refuses to explain it to me lmao
vapid moon
does the queen in d1 extreme play dead if you get close?
it looked like it died when i got close enough, but idk if its just an animation bug cause it was only for a split second then it spawned more babies
errant vigil
Were you shooting at it when it happened because it can stagger and do the death animation which is also it's stagger animation for some reason
Also speed "bug" 
arctic nexus
other then charger scouts whats other enemie added and where is it found in this rundown
dreamy bramble
:)
mortal granite
even even deeper
sick hornet
R5E1 "Deepest"
vapid moon
Were you shooting at it when it happened because it can stagger and do the death...
nope, we just walked up to it and it kinda flopped over, then we walked away cause we thought it just died delayed.
it then got up and spawned more babies
mortal granite
need video
vapid moon
i dont have one
forest horizon
deeperest
modern drift
what is artifact heat %
mortal granite
the more artifact heat %
the more efficient you get
100% = 0.1 or 0.15 per artifact you pick up
when the artifact got to 1 point, you will get an artifact
and there are 3 types
golden quest
booster ?
mortal granite
booster
vapid moon
it's mean it never happen
By that logic, you didn't happen B)
mortal granite
turbid cliff
<@&408548765599793173> spam inc
vestal mountain
Thank ya!
turbid cliff
It's in several channels btw
vestal mountain
We know, already handled all
candid dragon
Ive also had a mother play dead
pliant shard
She likes to stagger a lot when she’s low hp which is oddly similar to how she looks when she dies
Likes to put on the bamboozling
candid pelican
Framing bugs as features
candid dragon
its a feature ™️
bold widget
is it just me or do people really dislike this rundown
inland bear
As far as overall appreciation, I would argue that most enjoy it. Though some minor bugs/glitches exists, the major fixes came with the patch notes on the 12th of this month. The biggest argument was about respawning enemies, but the cocoons got nerfed. As well as that, the overall difficulty of the levels were lowered from original release.
Namely B Tier levels.
queen nymph
People hate map that has respawn system in it.
inland bear
The respawn system as far as I know got slightly nerfed and is not too bad. A1 is easy enough to complete, A2 has an increased difficulty, but is still more than manageable in main room, and C1 had it's own difficulty for it being a C tier level.
queen field
When you look at D1 ex's respawns you start wondering if there can be anything less immersive than that
like you clear 1 or both scouts in the main room, reach the next zone, pass through any door and you can hear the shadow scouts already spreading their tentacles
obtuse surge
that's just every cocoon room
but more probable to take longer on most other expeditions
queen field
i understand that they want players to stay on their toes when coming back, but the level of immersion is nonexistent tbh
obtuse surge
yet it could be instant~ on all of them depending on your timing
queen field
dont clear them
Thanks captain
lost holly
no problem
inland bear
Ultimately the cocoon system could be worked upon, but it's a nice feature in the long run.
queen field
Not to mention it's always the same enemies which makes it even more boring
for special enemies such as scouts i don't think that's a pb
but for the other ones it doesn't feel like there is any variety in each respawnable room
inland bear
Nonetheless it's an additional environmental feature to the game, to be fair, all of the levels could have had them added, I'm glad that only a select few have the new cocoons.
queen field
It is indeed
elfin spindle
did they add teamscans to every uplink terminal now?
candid dragon
iirc only the ones in c2.
mystic adder
No its on every terminal now
granite token
So basically the artifact heat determines the quality of booster you will get after the expedition. For example, the lower the heat (e.g. 50%), the poorer the quality of boosters you will get?
obtuse surge
it just means you get less booster progress per artifact
queen nymph
The poor percentage you will get
granite token
i see
obtuse surge
50% means you have to pick up twice the amount of artifacts to get a booster
granite token
Ohhh I get it now.
What do you do with the poor quality booster, discard it or just use it anyway?
obtuse surge
use em if you can
if you're on a good successful streak in which you're actively looking for artifacts you get more boosters than you can use
if you're full it could be better to drop some of the bad ones
inland bear
I thought it was based upon how many you pick up, the lower the percentage, the less likely they are to spawn.
granite token
Poor quality they may be, use and take whatever advantage you can have to win? (and free more slots?)
inland bear
They shouldn't determine the effectiveness of the artifact percentage, artifact heat determines how likely and how many artifacts spawn per level.
granite token
Ohh I get it now
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ey wesley did you do a2 pe solo ?
obtuse surge
no
granite token
I just finished C1 Extreme while on the verge of near death and loss.
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dam was gonng ask for tips all cool thoe
obtuse surge
They shouldn't determine the effectiveness of the artifact percentage, artifact ...
maybe you think they shouldn't but they currently do
inland bear
Ohh I get it now
for example
100% artifact heat - 15 artifacts total
50% artifact heat - 7 artifacts total
obtuse surge
but that's not how it works
granite token
*for example*
100% artifact heat - 15 artifacts total
50% artifact heat - 7 arti...
thanks!
queen nymph
Huh?
sick hornet
thats completely wrong
queen nymph
No?
obtuse surge
sick hornet
exact opposite
inland bear
;w;
queen nymph
The less heat you have the more artifact you have to collect
But the artifact spawn is RNG
sick hornet
the lower the heat, the less you get from each artifact
heat does not change how many spawn in any way
obtuse surge
dam was gonng ask for tips all cool thoe
i got some nice ideas for it but don't know when i'll get started on it
inland bear
I see
granite token
How hard do you think is C1 actually (depending on who I ask)?
inland bear
Sorry then >.<
queen nymph
Not hard
obtuse surge
been speedrunning with team and trying D1 solo for now
sick hornet
C1 high is ok, extreme usually has a lot of people choke at the end
forest horizon
don't rush extraction in C1 extreme
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i got some nice ideas for it but don't know when i'll get started on it
same, prescan and kiting babies kiting them not too easy thoe :p
forest horizon
thats really about it
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only thing that fucks me is i cant open the looker without dying
obtuse surge
oh
granite token
don't rush extraction in C1 extreme
lol we did and we managed to go unschated....barely though. 😄
bold widget
oh ?
obtuse surge
i timed my hdd rush really poorly and got hit a ton for it
but i survive because med efficiency booster
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lul i see
sick hornet
only thing that fucks me is i cant open the looker without dying
usually if you just run around the pillar its on you only take about 20% while picking it up, if you have a med ur good
obtuse surge
25% per medipack, the 5% saved my life
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yeee just an single striker can boost up the dmg
and getting out of the bulkhead would be some more extra hits
obtuse surge
yeh
sucks that there's no resources in the zone before bulkhead
so you can't move an extra medi in there
bold widget
yeah
granite token
We nearly died at Mother, but we got ourselves back up and kill her.
We nearly died at extreme terminal, but we put ourselves back up and finish it.
We nearly died with shadows and shadow giants, but we cheated death again.
We nearly died at extraction, but we pull ourselves back together and won the level.
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wesley what are your ideas for the reactor in c2 solo or do you plan on doing it only high?
obtuse surge
the waves honestly seem easier to fight than B1 overload
but the tank fight would be the biggest problem
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not the mother ?
sick hornet
c-foam tripmines go brrr
obtuse surge
regular teams already run out of time trying to get that code
it's like the only wave where you have to hurry
because you can get a deep terminal in the dark zone behind keyed blood door
where every room is just packed
bold widget
you mean the last code right ?
obtuse surge
then open blood door with it
yeh
idk i think i would just kite strikers or giants
obtuse surge
yeh
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hmmm
obtuse surge
it'll be fucked but it'll be fucked regardless
obtuse surge
they'll queue
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that will be an awful lot to clear
so basically what you did in a2 pe was to pre scan, then open bulk did you kill the existing babies or kited them too
obtuse surge
i didn't kill anything anymore after opening door
i think i had the respawn room chasing me in there too
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but you did clear the spawn hub di ya
oh
how did you survive the hit for the looker lol
must have been more then a dozen licks
were you on 100 ?
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yeh but strikers
obtuse surge
since then i've also found out that the sleeping babies is heavy rng
so good luck with that
it's like a 2-20 roll
obtuse surge
feels mostly the same but the collision from R4 still makes them faster
sick hornet
i dont think AI was changed for this rundown
bold widget
i feel like they are more aggresive then in r4
sick hornet
i think thats just the more open rooms
bold widget
hmmm
sick hornet
while everyone hates datacenter, you have to give it props for the tight rooms
bold widget
or maybe the hitcone got bigger 🤔
obtuse surge
digsite still best because the uneven terrain makes them dumb
bold widget
labs are my fav
always the nice corners that you can escape
or obsicals to jump on
still wonder how the hitcone for the tank is
since apperiantly his licks are very much different then a giant ones
candid dragon
is that pale king with the nomad stance from runescape?
last depot
hi, im at R5C2 right before the exit point
where there are two scouts and one dormant mother
if we foam up the mother and kill two scouts with guns, will the mother wake up?
last depot
well, if we do wake her up, we dont have any more ammo or supplies to deal with her
btw, i love your videos thank you so much for your videos
so if we shoot the two scouts while mother is sleeping, she probably wont awake right?
bold widget
is that pale king with the nomad stance from runescape?
Nah mate just my HK oc :) love this game
elfin spindle
how much health does a mother have anyone know? some friends and i are consider getting 4 power syringes and hammering them down
pliant shard
Mom has like 1k or something like that
forest horizon
how much health does a mother have anyone know? some friends and i are consider ...
any damage past what it takes to break a specific tumor doesn't do anything to its health
jolly raven
how much health does a mother have anyone know? some friends and i are consider ...
Did you and your friends took it down with hammers successfully?
elfin spindle
we destroyed 4 tumors, she screamed, we unloaded on her
so ultimately, had we just unloaded on her it would've been better for everyone
underwhelming if i'm to be honest
hexed vapor
Combat shotgun makes it pretty easy. Birthers were a lot harder in R4 just because my duo partner was pretty done w/ the game, forgot how hard that weapon carries.
Just sit by her and look for babies spawning, unload full mag slowly to kill over 80% of the babies.
minor spindle
hey, i need help
how i mark my question with spoiler?
||in D1, anyone know what means in security door " class 3 S1 BC"||
minor spindle
and S1 is that blue one where everyone have to stand on it?
west crow
Yes
minor spindle
thanks!
dreamy bramble
3 s1s at once
dreamy bramble
ye
like how you sometimes get 2 big red circles
like that, but 3 s1s
the short ones though, not the massive ones
fierce laurel
ah
hexed vapor
It's definitely unique, maybe not that unique but it makes you move around and gives you some planning as to which you do first.
jolly raven
we destroyed 4 tumors, she screamed, we unloaded on her
so ultimately, had we ju...
Ah, either combat shotgun or shotgun will take mother down quickly
vapid moon
the best part of d1 is when you get all 3 S1 scans inside eachother
quiet stone
The best part of D1 is getting to pet the little baby sleepers 
fierce laurel
I was playing D1 with scaler today
holy fuck almost screamed when we opened the room
never in my life I would think I would see sleeping babies
queen nymph
Cute babies alerted 🆘
rugged bison
Quick question about D1: will enemies spawn in the mother door or can my group and I completely ignore it and move on to the defense without dealing with her?
Sounds stupid but I'd like to try and save our resources if we can
rugged bison
eh my team still took a fat L
killed the mother but we got overwhelmed by chargers for the alarm
fierce laurel
for future reference
if the mother is in the first room kill the mother
if it's in one of the back rooms, but sleepers can spawn in there, open the doors and cross your fingers and pray they dont scream
mortal granite
or just kill her
mortal granite
well
if you don't kill her, you will have the thought that, She will wake up and our run end because of her
fierce laurel
in my run we left the mother alone and we were fine
she was in the back room though
mortal granite
that's 3 room away
fierce laurel
no
mortal granite
i believe
fierce laurel
two
mortal granite
in one of the zone
there a big area that's counted as 2 rooms
if she's in that room but at the back
fierce laurel
I cant post it here but here was the layout (dms)
mortal granite
what zone is that
fierce laurel
uh
mortal granite
the good one ( big pit in the middle)
mortal granite
or that bad one (R3B2)
mortal granite
i'm trying to remember
the zone layout
or i can just watch my own stream
oof
stream deleted
where is she tho
i think i remember what zone that is
burnt sequoia
D1 reactor door Class III BC Alarm is so BS
I thought i signed up for 3 purple scans only
And it's impossible to kite the enemies when ur teammates are down since there are freaking chargers
burnt sequoia
i know, that's what im saying
for normal S1 scans even if ur teammates go down u still have a chance to kite a big circle on the map and come back to revive them
i'm just saying that Class III in D1 is very mean and obnoxious
What does 'BC' mean btw? Anybody knows?
Bullshit Circles?
orchid sorrel
Big Cluster? I heard someone call it that. Also, it's not even that hard if you communicate well.
mortal granite
you shouldn't have that much of a problem with that scan if all 4 teammates start shooting
and also with decent health for safety measure
glacial cloak
what tools would you bring for C1 Extreme?
thick burrow
what tools would you bring for C1 Extreme?
Depends on your playstyle
Would you rather shoot a lot in extreme or not?
glacial cloak
if the alternative is running in circles, then i'd rather try shooting first
ive not much experience with extreme
would like to know what to bring in
im only vaguely aware of C1 extreme containing: a mom, shadows, and a terminal
thick burrow
There’s people that bring in 2 sniper sentries, cfoam and a bio
While others take 3 sniper sentries and a bio
Works really wel for surge alarms, as for extreme
Allows you to shoot the wave instead of perma foaming the door which is kinda boring
It also forces you to defend the guy on the terminal which is pretty nice
glacial cloak
how much foam would you bring to extreme?
for example, R4C1 extreme would be "all tool goes to foam"
thick burrow
Not sure, never tried it myself but i think you would just evenly distribute the tools until you get to extreme
And burn all tool on cfoam and carry one with you
glacial cloak
i remember getting a few foam grenades in t he level
thick burrow
Filling up the snipers wouldn’t be a bad idea
elfin mantle
for example, R4C1 extreme would be "all tool goes to foam"
This is how we did R5C1, 1 sniper sentry to help with first scan then you can basically leave it, bio, foam and mines.
You can do all the terminal scans with 1 mine and by refoaming the doors saving you all your ammo for the bridge and extreme you will want foam for mother and also to refoam the door since its like a 10 code terminal with shadows+shadowgiants so cfoam to keeping them out as long as possible and insta killing most of them with a mine is generally the way to go - this also means you will have ammo for the extract because you arent having to use it killing still the sentrys miss.
3 snipers (or even 2 snipers) sounds like a really bad idea if you are going to do extreme imo unless you know of some cheese and keep the shadow waves off the terminal.
thick burrow
3 snipers (or even 2 snipers) sounds like a really bad idea if you are going to ...
you just shoot
there's a crap ton of ammo
and play well with your team 🗿
elfin mantle
10 wave alarm + a 2min~ extract
just Cfoam the door until it breaks (should get you past 6 codes hopyfully 8) and then you are stocked to extract through the rooms that respawned which you are going to have to clear with the endless waves
if you havent done extreme yet why would you even give recomendations on what might work when im telling you what DOES work and what we used to win zzz
obtuse surge
the waves
if you have just one person that's good at combat
he can probably solo them
lost holly
for c1 you really only need 2 sniper sentries
atleast thats what i think after finishing it duo
everything else is just extra
obtuse surge
the tool in extreme alone is enough for sniper sentry to last through the uplink
elfin mantle
i mean its like 5~shadows and 4 strikers from high 1 person is going to burn through ammo real fast, just Cfoam the door, hit spawn cap and chill since then theres no chance of it bugging out and spawning stuff where you dont want it
obtuse surge
there's more ammo in extreme than it'll take to shoot the entire uplink
you have to be pretty inefficient to run out
elfin mantle
oh yay another 3x ammo pog we're saved xD
obtuse surge
spawns don't bug out if you're not spreading out and well.. forcing it to bug out
i think it's more than 3?
but yeh
a 3 use ammo has insane killing potential
elfin mantle
i mean we didnt change our positions and had spawn in the terminal room :/
obtuse surge
i've never seen anything with uplink spawns that i couldn't explain
you just have to understand the 2 rooms or as many as possible + terminal zone thing
elfin mantle
1 guy in terminal, 3 in the large room by the bulkhead door with the west door foamed, it broke on code 8 i think we cleared everything and suddenly strikers in terminal room
thick burrow
1 guy in terminal, 3 in the large room by the bulkhead door with the west door f...
Why not just stay in the same toom as the guy doing codes?
Funnel them all through and take swaps shooting
Makes so much more sense instead of wasting ammo and running around in that big room
Unless you play with your toes, you can clear out an entire wave solo
elfin mantle
and let the room next to you respawn?
just have someone in the terminal room doing codes, if needed someone to AFK in the back and 2 more in the bulkhead door room blocking spawns and Cfoaming the west door since thats where the spawns will come from
obtuse surge
spawnblock
thick burrow
That’s where the sniper sentries come in handy, you pull that room and let them do the job
Just use brain
elfin mantle
Unless you play with your toes, you can clear out an entire wave solo
dang you should start playing with your hands then since you havent completed extreme yet huh
thick burrow
Huh? 
thick burrow
if you have just one person that's good at combat
^
elfin mantle
the reason i initially replied earlier was because after all your advice you said you hadnt done extreme yet...
thick burrow
Why would i give advice on something i’ve never done before 🗿
elfin mantle
idk why would you say that then lmao
pulsar zodiac
you can just run to the extraction
thick burrow
with hel rifle and sniper you can actually just shoot the respawn room
Also true
thick burrow
idk why would you say that then lmao
Never said that
thick burrow
you can just run to the extraction
Idk about that chief
obtuse surge
idk just do C1 without permafoam it's a lot more fun, really not that hard, and you no longer have to rely on saving all tool and being incredibly careful with where you use tool
pulsar zodiac
uplink without permafoam is more fun
thick burrow
Exactly
obtuse surge
there's one that's shitty i think
pulsar zodiac
113 one
obtuse surge
multiple spawns just means you split up
or defend closer to terminal
where the spawns connect
thick burrow
Kinda like the fact that you have to split up really gives a change to what i’m used to from r4
It forces you to protect the guy on the terminal
tropic raptor
Ofc you like it when you're always the one needing protection
thick burrow
Just cover me 😞
nocturne flax
idk just do C1 without permafoam it's a lot more fun, really not that hard, and ...
You can permafoam on c1?
elfin mantle
yeah its a really easy level lol
thick burrow
You can permafoam on c1?
It’s really boring tho
elfin mantle
true
nocturne flax
I mean never done it
Never knew you could permafoam in that level
Im assuming you have to spawn block
thick burrow
Yep
nocturne flax
There it is
elfin mantle
but i think the layout of C1 just lends itself to Cfoam so much its the "duh ofc" strat
thick burrow
but i think the layout of C1 just lends itself to Cfoam so much its the "duh ofc...
Idk about that one chief
nocturne flax
Yeah
thick burrow
My initial reaction was to shoot
nocturne flax
I was thinking more sentry or mine than cfoam and spawnblock
thick burrow
Mines work really well on c1 apparently
elfin mantle
our initial reaction after looking at the map was "huh everythings going to come through this door lets just Cfoam mine it" and then the next terminal we had the same thought and then same in extreme lol
thick burrow
Everyone has a different playstyle and if that works for you go for it
lost holly
well one of the zones 112 or 113 is turbo cancer and cant be perma cfoamed
thick burrow
113^
nocturne flax
113 its funny as hell
thick burrow
Dude i love it
nocturne flax
The pathing if you hold by the little door by the stairs its funny
I had a sleeper change its mind like right infront of me, go all the way back, go down the ladder and by then hit the guy on terminal
😂 😂
thick burrow
Tf was that about lmao hahaha
obtuse cedar
113 is just badly design overall compare to all the other zones. It only allows one type of strat which is shooting. Else you circle kite which is boring. But most pubs can't shoot 🤣
elfin mantle
I just think C1 suffers because its so limited by the respawning rooms it makes you hyper focus on spawn control as a result
obtuse cedar
Not really
I did it yesterday and we shot the hub room like 4 times and still had ammo
elfin mantle
oh i havent re-played it since the change idk if they nerfed it
queen field
they did
obtuse surge
well you'll probably have a worse time
thick burrow
They only nerfed the room after the first surge
obtuse surge
seeing as you blocked respawns
which is still possible but probably won't happen
the terminal uplinks now have team scans
thick burrow
How is that time waste?
Genuinely curious as to why you think that
This was the intended way of playing c1
elfin mantle
so you clear the room, you can prove you can clear the room and not die but now it respawns so you use more time clearing it again
obtuse surge
it's pretty fast with a good team
obtuse surge
and if you were efficient with ammo you can shoot
queen field
As shadow said above you still have enough resources to clear the main room more than once
thick burrow
You don’t even need to kill everything, let the sniper sentry deal with them on the second surge
elfin mantle
unless they make the respawns different or some sort of event its just the same thing again
queen field
and clear the level
thick burrow
Sounds like you’re struggling cooperating with your team and not resource management
obtuse surge
you just gotta sneak through when there's no point in killing
you kill them all for no reason most the time
thick burrow
You can even sneak past do the silent scans and start the terminal
Just get rid of the scouts
elfin mantle
oh we just cleared the room then did all the scans (since it was about the same speed) then cleared both 112 and 113 for resources before doing the terminal and bridge
thick burrow
That’s what most teams do as well
obtuse surge
see you can't
you can't complain about time
if you loot an extra zone
for your permafoam needs
it's like 4 tool and 6 ammo in those zones
yeh guys we need to loot both
not enough here
thick burrow
LUL
obtuse cedar
Your re cfoam strat cannot work on 113 anyway so that also mean you restart 50% of the time your runs? :P
thick burrow
That was before the nerf so they probably just blocked spawns
elfin mantle
no you can just open one of the doors and have someone stand in the large room to funnel the spawns
thick burrow
Can’t do that anymore chief
elfin mantle
why they addd an extra room for the mto spawn in?
obtuse cedar
If they spawn in B they will break all doors