gtfo-spoiler-chat

[queen nymph]

No

[paper arrow]

cring

[scenic holly]

i got 4-3-0 once, the first zone we opened was the one with no plants

[scenic holly]

caraca

tu aqui

[solemn wigeon]

It be like that sometimes

[paper arrow]

@scenic holly eae

[jagged marten]

i got burned badly enough doing that with a triple scout room to the point where I just query all the plants before opening anything

and I brought mines instead of foam because when do you need foam on a solo?

[lucid yoke]

is there some way/map to practise shadow scouts

[mortal granite]

B1

any zone beyond the player spawn room will have scout

[turbid cliff]

** shadow scouts**

[mortal granite]

ah

D level

[turbid cliff]

if you don't usually play as host i don't know how much good solo practice will do

on host they always crouch and on client they usually don't

[mortal granite]

D1 have a room with unlimited shadow scout

so you can do it as much as possible

[lucid yoke]

are they deep in d1?

[robust marsh]

in R1 d1 was named deeper

[turbid cliff]

wat

did you even read the context

[bold widget]

ey quick question

in zone 96 in B1 where is the terminal like which part of the zone

wasnt it B?

[errant vigil]

Yea top room above a right next to door iirc

[bold widget]

Aight thanks!

[atomic escarp]

Question: AFAIK terminal waves cant spawn in zones aside the one with the terminal itself, is that correct? Does that work on C1?

Because the time I did try C1 I had the impression that they came from the main room which should be another zone

[remote karma]

Uplink terminals? These waves spawn only in the same zone with an uplink terminal you are doing.

[open owl]

That is correct. However after you complete the terminal uplinks it will start a trickle which follows the usual rules of spawning 2 rooms away from players

[atomic escarp]

No I know about the error wave

I was referring to the terminal waves themselves

[open owl]

Yeah it's always in the same zone as the terminal

[thin palm]

Guys I have a question about B2 on PE, i don't understand why ppl are doing full extreme before completing overload and high, it turns alarm but from what i saw on extreme we can simply leave last terminal to do after completing the rest and that won't make you go with alarm through the whole mission

Is there something I don't get?

[atomic escarp]

I'm pretty sure the overload bulkhead is behind a door which opens only if you finish extreme

[thin palm]

that's the thing, yesterday when we went for extreme only after completing only one terminal we had acces to overload bulkhead

That's why i'm kinda bamboozled as to what the check is going on

[atomic escarp]

I've no idea then

I always assumed it only opened if you did both terminals

[obtuse surge]

one of the uplink zones is yet another zone where every room is one room away from the uplink terminal

and that may have lead to your confusion where you thought they wouldn't spawn in A because 1 room away

yet they did

and you might have made the conclusion that they spawned outside the zone, 2 rooms away

[remote karma]

Honestly, I never cared much about it and I just made a generic assumption that you need to do both uplinks in order to lift the lockdown on overload. But props to you in case it really works like that - I'll check it out later 😉

[atomic escarp]

Can you elaborate? So in that case they can spawn even 1 room away

[obtuse surge]

if you don't allow the game to find a 2 room away within the zone spot

it changes to 1 room away within the zone

[atomic escarp]

ah ok

got it ty

[obtuse surge]

and if you went far enough to block all of those too, it changes to 0 rooms away 😏

[atomic escarp]

yeah i knew that trying to spawn push out a zone does that didnt know about the 1 room away

[solemn wigeon]

@thin palm which terminal did you do

[turbid cliff]

@dreamy bramble || so since datamined numbers are allowed now in this channel - 0.8667 ||

[dreamy bramble]

that's what i forgot about

thanks

[pliant shard]

That means you’ll need closer to around 80% increase

[turbid cliff]

mhm

so only twoshot is possible really

[sick hornet]

what are you guys on about

[turbid cliff]

making pistol oneshot

[sick hornet]

ah

does it oneshot back of head currently?

[turbid cliff]

yes

[sick hornet]

pistol is just a better dmr

[turbid cliff]

you'd need around 30% for twoshot hmm

[pliant shard]

[atomic escarp]

pfft maths? no thanks

[solemn wigeon]

Maths gang

[pliant shard]

2+2 is 4 - 1 that’s 3 quick maths

[sick hornet]

"maths"

[solemn wigeon]

yes

[sick hornet]

british

[pliant shard]

Let us commence forth

[solemn wigeon]

British gang

[atomic escarp]

Riding round in a rover

[wanton meadow]

Guys anyone got any idea what the Class M alarm does exactly?

we encountered them in B3 and got wrecked in it

[lyric narwhal]

the final scan is always an s1

[obtuse surge]

so far

[wanton meadow]

ah okay, we failed the extraction at the end of B3 and it seemed like an infinite alarm (the enemies kept coming) so i thought it had to do something with the Class M alarm

[lyric narwhal]

nah infinite alarms just happen on extraction sometimes

[solemn wigeon]

I think after you walk through the door the perma alarm starts

[prisma swan]

whats the order for b2 pe?

[lyric narwhal]

extreme overload and then high

[prisma swan]

thanks

[high forge]

I think M alarm means Mixed because it has different types of scans but i'm not sure about that

[fierce laurel]

Class M are random alarms (big red scan, small scans, I dont know if you can get clusters yet)

the last one being a S1

[solemn wigeon]

Mixed sounds appropriate

[atomic escarp]

anyone know what the objective is for b2 overload?

[next ore]

Is D1 extreme long??

[solemn wigeon]

||Collect 5 OSIPS|| @atomic escarp

Aloy as in just the extreme sector? or the level as a whole

[atomic escarp]

Is it hard? Just finished extreme. not sure if we want to commit to overload

[lyric narwhal]

overloads just kinda annoying

[solemn wigeon]

Overload has a lot of fog and an error alarm from extreme so

[vapid moon]

died to c1 cause the respawn room RESPAWNED WHILE WE WERE IN IT

we were at the extract run back, pulled the last respawn room, and while we were running back the titan came behind, we shot and the room woke up again and killed us

fucking god damnit

[atomic escarp]

LMao

[mortal granite]

i feel like that's work as intended?

[nocturne flax]

Glowstick potency

[velvet flower]

If that's true, gotta be some kind of bug. I don't think re-spawn while people in the room is intended.

[forest horizon]

just one more thing on the list of things wrong with the respawn mechanic

[mortal granite]

it should be like that so people don't cheese it

[atomic escarp]

i havent been to c1 yet but if u have someone not doing anything than just fix it and have security scans

for full teams

[mortal granite]

bring back team scan

ez fix

[forest horizon]

just have them spawn on top of you

ez

[lyric narwhal]

is it just me or does b3 look different now

like a bunch of small details have changed

[near lion]

so how do you open the overload door in A2?

[solemn wigeon]

Pick up the cargo

[near lion]

oh, never bothered to check the door after picking it up, always just ran for extraction

[solemn wigeon]

it says the door is unlocked after you pick it up

[near lion]

thanks

[solemn wigeon]

np

[copper lichen]

will a mine kill a charger scout?

[mortal granite]

yes

[lyric narwhal]

ok im on b3 and the map layout keeps changing slightly whats going on? is this a map randomization thing goin on that wasnt in the patchnotes?

[vapid moon]

on ||d1 high, what is the BC scan? and what does it do/stand for?||

[tight cliff]

||It's a triple split Sustained group scan.||

[vapid moon]

||does it multiply each time or is it just 3 each time?||

[tight cliff]

||only 3 each time, so i think you have to do like... 6 total sustained scans. They're a bit faster than the class 3 S1 scans, but slower than the surge scans||

[vapid moon]

ok, thanks

[mortal granite]

||first time don't split||

[atomic escarp]

The map doesn't change from what I've played

[mortal granite]

ye, nothing changed

[robust marsh]

ahhhhhhhhh what do you mean by changing?

[mellow creek]

map experience change xD

[velvet flower]

Not sure about B3, but I do noticed that in B2, the map layout is different in extreme sector

Didn't play b3 too many times, but never experience a map change in b3.

[solemn wigeon]

Some terminal placements do feel off in B2 extreme like they are moved

[velvet flower]

Not just about terminals, it's like in some area in this run it's a low-ground full of fog, next run the same area is now a high connected plane.

[keen hazel]

any tips for b3 duo? we always die behind blood door

[mortal granite]

you either cheese or cheese

or mines

[hoary garden]

is this extreme or fog zone

[mortal granite]

b3 extreme blood door

at the end of extreme i believe

[keen hazel]

nah not extreme

the zone to get key to 47

[mortal granite]

mine can kill blood door really fast

[keen hazel]

yea but the area with fog is difficult for us

we kinda get overwhelmed during the next charger wave

[pulsar zodiac]

there is areas that has no fog in 49 (I am not sure about 50)
you can use those to defend the charger waves

[hoary garden]

you can go in, clear some rooms, and then use those rooms to defend against charger wave

[obtuse surge]

still no actual maps/videos/screenshots to prove anything about changing layouts

i still think it's just you getting confused

[remote karma]

All maps are static.

[robust marsh]

there is changes around

like B2 overload door room

the disinfection and terminal have random spots

like there is 2 of spots

but still

[mortal granite]

room is static, only terminal are warping around (in A2 extreme)

[remote karma]

Sure thing, there are some minor variables in some items you can interact with, but the layout stays the same regardless of runs attempted.

[velvet flower]

I do have screenshots

Let me post it on media

So I posted 2 screenshots on media channel, Z156A/E have different layout during different runs.

[pulsar zodiac]

158 C has two different version of long hallway

[atomic escarp]

Seems that B2 is different in Z157 as well, interesting

[velvet flower]

Yeah, I guess B2 extreme did have at least 2 different versions in many area.

And Scarlet just posted a 3rd version of Z156E

[obtuse surge]

thanks for the screenshots

[rain heron]

so guys, it seems that there are actually some new threats in d1

[sick hornet]

Nah

Just old ones

[granite token]

GTFO Rundown 005 in a nutshell:
||A1: Woah the Floodways are coo- wait. How did the enemies respawn?
A2: There is a Mother at A levels?
B1: Fun and but too long (depending on who you ask)
B2: Copy-paste R4C3/R3C1
B3: Vegan R4E1
C1: Introducing - The AFK Simulator where you will likely die out of boredom than being screwed over by the enemies.
C2: Kill myself pls/Belated April Fools joke
D1: ????????????
||

[sick hornet]

B1: ||R3C1, copy paste again||

[granite token]

lol (edited)

[vapid moon]

i would say c1 also makes me want to kill myself

although, vegan r4e1 is too accurate

[granite token]

||Yes, technically. It's really difficult because you'll end up either being bored to death or spend time watching Youtube videos||

[glossy pilot]

what makes c1 so bad

working on maxing the Bs before I start those

[solemn wigeon]

Cocoons

[rain heron]

uf

sorry oof

[obtuse surge]

C1 was actually pretty good when we played it without blocking shit

and without permafoam for every fucking uplink

i'll definitely agree that C1 is the shittiest level when played the way people generally play it

[icy hamlet]

does anyone know what to do with the security code that the one guy on the terminal logs gives you?

he said to insert the code in a terminal deeper below

[solemn wigeon]

On a terminal 1100m under

No such terminal is available

[atomic escarp]

me when r5 ext

[icy hamlet]

damn

[errant vigil]

Yea most level with heavy spawn block is genuinely not fun at all

People spawn block in B3 and it saddens me

Going in as a full group to find the key, clear rooms, and deal with error together is a lot of fun

[pseudo mantle]

Where can you even spawn block in B3?

[errant vigil]

Room with both blood doors

People say reclearing a room isn’t hard but continue to spawn block the room

Which is pretty hilarious

[pseudo mantle]

What are they spawn blocking exactly? I did B3 extreme last night and I straight up can't remember haha

[errant vigil]

It’s a room with a scout and smalls but the “hardest” part of the room (the scout) doesn’t even respawn

[open owl]

the "hub" with the blood doors

[mystic adder]

Depends really, its much smoother if your team can clear the fog room while someone blocks the error wave but if the team is not all confident then moving as 4 is much safer as there is a chance error wave will spawn in the fog

[pseudo mantle]

I must just be stupid then

I can't remember the blood doors haha

WAIT I REMEMBER NOW LOL

I dunno. My problem with respawns is that some of the respawns are super shitty. Because of the RNG of it, having to clear a super packed and dense room just to come back to it being completely dense again can be very frustrating, especially if it is in a hub area.

I get why some people block them. I avoid it when possible because it is boring, but I can't fault people for doing it.

[worldly bison]

what's the extreme for c1?

just wiped trying to do high after doing both terminals so wondering how ppl were able to balance the hybrids + giants in the two sac rooms with an infinite alarm and balancing the extreme

[elfin spindle]

mother at end of c2 does she spawn active or asleep?

[obtuse surge]

sleep

C1 extreme
10 round uplink with shadow wave
the zone itself has sleeping shadows and 1 birther
finishing uplink (stops the main objective alarm?) and starts another alarm with shadow giants

[worldly bison]

wow

that's quite a lot to handle 😆

ty for the info

[toxic dagger]

what’re the b2 objectives? planning on doing pe

[solemn wigeon]

B2 High: 9 GLPs,
Extreme: 2 7 code uplinks,
Overload: 5 OSIPS

[toxic dagger]

error alarm?

[solemn wigeon]

After Extreme

[toxic dagger]

any catches?

[solemn wigeon]

As in?

[toxic dagger]

that seems pretty straightforward

fog? tanks?

[solemn wigeon]

B2 Extreme is foggy but uplinks not necessarily in fog

B2 Overload covered in fog

[toxic dagger]

ah gotcha

[solemn wigeon]

All infectious

[toxic dagger]

doesn’t sound too horrendous

[solemn wigeon]

You need to do Overload with the error alarm

So its a bit tedious

[obtuse surge]

there's scouts too

and one alarm in the fog, if you're used to relying on doors for alarms, you might have some issues there

the foggy zone just like cocoon rooms/zones are also more fucked when you get a shitty sleeper distribution

[keen rampart]

What is in the Terminal in d1 At the beginning of the Level behind the "unable to Operate" door

[near lion]

so on B3, it says the unsealer is in zone 47 which is just one room, i have walked up to everything in the room and dont see it, what does it look like

[solemn wigeon]

It's the big cuboid machines

[near lion]

i have spent 15 min walking up to every object in that room nothing is interactable

yup this is bugged, the thing never spawned in

[obtuse surge]

any hopes on a patch that fixes the ladder attacks?

or are we just getting some more shit to deal with in general gameplay for the rest of the rundown and possible coming rundowns too

[oblique peak]

i think they are working on a fix for it

[sick hornet]

Log

[weak quest]

Any tips on C1 ? the start ain't that bad (1º S1 alarm) it is manageable, the 2º S1 is a problem some times (we get overwhelmed) but we fuck up a lot in the rooms after

should we just stealth it ? like kill the scouts and leave everything behind ?

[keen rampart]

@sick hornet yeah i know that.... any Screenshots available?

[queen nymph]

Yes

[sick hornet]

There was a copy paste in this channel

[weak quest]

would that bite us in the ass cause of the alarms and what not, cause it would agro them ?

[sick hornet]

I don’t know exactly where though

[atomic escarp]

Better clear the first room before 2nd alarm. SOLID and DEX boosters should give you enough initial ammo to clear the first room.

I'd say don't clear the first room, but kill the scouts because they're going to respawn anyway

[weak quest]

and only clear to do the 2º S1 ?

[atomic escarp]

Mhm

If you dont clear the first room, then you'll have tons of hybrid coming for 2nd scan

If you clear it, then just few strikers on the bridge

[queen nymph]

Scouts -> terminal room -> finish the terminal -> clear the respawn room with hammer-> second scan

[weak quest]

Thought so. I will try to not just keep non stop clearing then.

[weak quest]

thanks a lot ! so focus on stealth and just don't do what isn't necessary.

a very different feel from R4 must say (only played that one for a short time until E1), R4 seemed like it was focused on clearing and speed, this one seems more like stealth and planning

thanks for the tips y'all and gl on the expeditions 😄

[queen nymph]

This rundown is generally challenging in some of the level. I am sure that you will be fine.

[elfin spindle]

Question: are the 3 tank spawns for c2 over intended? and if so, i assume we're just kiting around the entire room? i guess less so is it intended and more so, how are you reasonably supposed to deal with that

[solemn wigeon]

Uh, kill the tanks

[elfin spindle]

during the scan? that seems really difficult with all the hybrids and big chargers running at you

[solemn wigeon]

You have time :^)

[queen nymph]

You have lots of time to kill until the first tank shows up

[forest horizon]

The scan is bugged currently, so its recommended to take bioscan boosters

[rocky marsh]

When's the rundown 4 warden post gonna be you reckon?

[queen nymph]

Next week probably

[bleak canopy]

Just completed C2PE with my crew. The Overload scan isn't that bad still tough, it is best if someone has a supply efficiency/medic booster. We ran with 3 sniper sentry's and a bio. We cleared out the zones as much as we could then did all of extreme and cleared it out. After that we did overload with ammo stashed in reactor room and everyone holding med's (except the guy with no sentry helping them as they will hold ammo) with more ammo stashed in overload center room next to terminal. We had sniper sentry's facing the North and South door with the final sentry facing toward the bulkhead outside of the room but slightly tilted so it doesn't shoot the guy defending it. Each person covers a direction and if they need help such as the big charger coming in they call out they direction so others can help. With no boosters the first tank comes in around 40% and whoever is dealing with him will need to keep him distracted while the others assist in fighting the other enemies coming from the tank side. Once the 2nd tank arrives we fell back to a corner of the room and started running clockwise and healing when necessary. After the scan is complete, run back to the reactor where the ammo is stashed closing any doors behind you to save some time. Load up on ammo and prepare to take out the surviving sleepers and then fight the tanks remaining, (We had 5). Take cover on the tanks and shoot when you get a shot. If you see a tank running to a team mate shoot it so it pulls it toward you. Overload really isn't that bad it is just you need some good team work and communication. Also it is very beneficial to bring all hel rifles and combat shotguns, at least for us it was.

[mortal granite]

the scan was bugged so it's a little unfair and you have to utilize kiting to beat it

[bleak canopy]

I think it was about 70% or 80% when we had to start running around the room, but I definitely can see it needing some work as the multiple tanks forces you to run around the room. Just one or even two tanks will be manageable, but 5 forces you to run around the room as a group and shooting anything that comes in your way.

[dreamy bramble]

the bug is that near the end the spawns ramp up rapidly, so that's probably why you had to start moving at ~70%

looking forward to see how manageable it becomes when it works as intended

[bleak canopy]

Yeah, when they fix the bug it will be nice to just hold your ground and staying in overload until it is complete.

[mortal granite]

it supposed to be like B3 extreme

where you hold your ground

[errant vigil]

If you just didn't have it ramp up at the end it would be pretty easy to kill tanks and enemies for the whole duration

two tanks and a handful of bigs and hybrids are easy to kill with specials and op sniper sentry

[split cipher]

i had 2 normal giants coming from the bulkhead though.... shudnt they only come from the 3 doors

[errant vigil]

They keep spawning so it follows the 2 rooms away rule

if the bulkhead door closed when you put in the terminal code it wouldn't be a problem

One extra direction isn't that hard to deal with anyways

[mortal granite]

you can also bring foam to deal with the tank

since the level give you SO MUCH C FOAM

2 nades to foam the tank

[errant vigil]

would be depressing if when they fix it people still do the kite strat

[mortal granite]

there is an easy fix for that

[atomic escarp]

[dreamy bramble]

imagine a mother sticking it's foot through the door, instantly setting off the mines and wiping your d1 extreme run at the end

🙃

[errant vigil]

I mean if I saw pmothers toes I'd get set off too

[tired charm]

Any strats for C2 High M scan that anyone would recommend?

[nocturne flax]

Alpha you have to kite when you have more than 3 tanks on your ass

The whole overload its bugged

We 3 man overload and fought 8 tanks total

We had 6 tanks at the end that we had to finish off after weve finish the scan

[atomic escarp]

🧀 _ _

[nocturne flax]

You cannot hold in there like a sentry
you have to move

[atomic escarp]

Just kill them lmao

Kiting is part of the core mechanics of any zombie survival game. Even the developers said so. I played COD zombies and used the same strategy also.

[nocturne flax]

What

[mortal granite]

i'm saying if the devs intention was making the C2 overload like the B3 Extreme

[nocturne flax]

No, yoy dont have to kite for everything

[mortal granite]

so you can hold your ground

[nocturne flax]

The overload its bugged so it forces you to kite

[atomic escarp]

No it's not bugged, that's a feature.

[nocturne flax]

Or do you really think they want yoy to run for 20 min 😂

[tired charm]

RIP my question

[nocturne flax]

Sure sure sure

[atomic escarp]

This is a melee focused game. They didn't give you a lot of ammo on purpose you know

[mortal granite]

kiting are in every game, but the devs will likely to add enemy that will make that harder to do

they already have charger

to counter kiting, i'm seeing more developer add more melee type enemy

[errant vigil]

damn hearthstone do be having kiting

[mortal granite]

that's why l4d is harder to kite than every game

[tired charm]

Kiting is just the nature of a game like this. It ain't a "feature" of this game

[errant vigil]

yea

its a failure of a player

[nocturne flax]

You flip the card doing a circle shape

[atomic escarp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/331316693941092362/802217208624185394/image0.gif

[turbid cliff]

what does l4d have to do with anything here

[mortal granite]

we're talking about kiting on fps shooter game

l4d are also an fps shooter game and it's hard to kite so i give it a try

[errant vigil]

damn DOOM do make you heavily kite

[turbid cliff]

kiting what exactly?

in l4d you just exit the saferoom and don't stop until the next one or some forced stopping objectives

[sand beacon]

🪁

[acoustic breach]

The game would be much better without kiting, change my mind

[sand beacon]

Just don't do it then smh

[tired charm]

The devs can only prevent kiting to a certain extent without massively changing map design and melee mechanics of sleepers

[turbid cliff]

no kiting doesn't mean you'll never be forced to sprint anywhere or fall back

doesn't mean no melee running combat either

[acoustic breach]

Yeah, I can prevent myself from kiting, but not others

[nocturne flax]

More like teleport everywhere when theyre punching you am i right fellas

[tired charm]

Lmao

[nocturne flax]

Shiiiiieeet

[sand beacon]

Simply disable player movement as soon as a sleeper wakes up

no more kiting, done

[acoustic breach]

You know what I mean by kiting

[tired charm]

You guys know.... this is a stealth game though, right?

[acoustic breach]

There's a difference between falling back and essentially having god mode because you run through sleepers unimpeded

[turbid cliff]

if that's a reply to me, well i don't actually cuz it does vary between players

got extremes on all sides

[nocturne flax]

Peepee poopoo kite 💩

[solemn wigeon]

Stealth everything except scouts which you should always ignore

[nocturne flax]

Dookie caca circle kite

Ty for coming to my ted talk

[turbid cliff]

gonna laugh when kiting is "fixed" and game didn't get any better really

kekw

same for bhop

i don't care much either way but people who hate it talk like it's the final solution

[nocturne flax]

Im assuming next rundown well have more features, thsts why they kinda went hamburger on already existing stuff that we have

[nocturne flax]

Well it kinda ruins the experience sometimes and its annoying to see a guy trying to kite a class 3 really

Specially in pubs

[tired charm]

Why annoying?

[nocturne flax]

Its a class 3

[turbid cliff]

yeah i get it

[nocturne flax]

Its not a solution to the entire game but its something atleast

[tired charm]

I don't get how it is annoying though. Are you annoyed that you don't get to play the way you want?

[turbid cliff]

the most good it'll probably do is force people in lower tiers to be good at things other than kiting and maybe help devs balance shit without the kiting factor involved

it's annoying that people on low tiers don't have the basic skills or senses because they just kited everything

[nocturne flax]

Kite dookie

[atomic escarp]

Instead of more team scan, they just need to make objective item to defend. Maybe the reactor level, we should defend the reactor and if that blows up, mission fails immediately.

Team scans are boring asf

[turbid cliff]

except i hate VIP missions

[errant vigil]

Then you just get a guy circle kiting in the reactor

lmao

[tired charm]

This sounds like you're annoyed at incompetent players then

[turbid cliff]

it's a general game balancing problem

[nocturne flax]

Because its easy to kite and they dont get better

[turbid cliff]

devs get feedback of how many people did what and their impressions

[nocturne flax]

Kite its easier than aiming

[atomic escarp]

No, if the enemies prioritize the reactor, that wont be a problem.
These days reactor level, people will just go hide in a corner somewhere far and safe.

[turbid cliff]

it affects the whole game

[tired charm]

I can get that, but why care enough to be annoyed?

[nocturne flax]

Every dumbass can run with a hammer , also kiting extend can extend the game for far toon long

Just like r4c2

[turbid cliff]

why so obsessed with that word..

[solemn wigeon]

When people complain about levels taking too long but they are also kiting for half of it

[nocturne flax]

My life change when a guy tried to kite a class 3

[turbid cliff]

that wasn't meant for you

[solemn wigeon]

class 3 what

[nocturne flax]

R4a2 high+extreme only

It was a cluster i think

[solemn wigeon]

🥲

I kite class 1s

[nocturne flax]

Nah bruh you kite the team scan

[tired charm]

Run in tiny circles

[remote karma]

Just have a look at the recent number of chargers.

• respawn mechanics goes along with it.
  It's simply impossible to remove kiting from the game at that point. However, making it harder is perfectly realistic.

[solemn wigeon]

I kite the cluster scans inside of the scans

[remote karma]

Especially cross-map and circle kiting.

[atomic escarp]

Balancing the game around kiting is going to make it detrimental to the normal players. Just nerf it is better

[tired charm]

I think normal players kite tho

[remote karma]

Every more or less decent player does kiting. It is simply impossible to beat a number of levels without kiting.

[errant vigil]

what

[nocturne flax]

Every level its beat able without kiting

[tired charm]

Depends on how good the team is

[atomic escarp]

Hmm and why does every GTFO youtuber kite and bhop like mad lads

[nocturne flax]

Some.levels are bugged now so yes you might be correct

But do you really believe they want you to run that bad?

[atomic escarp]

a habit or it works with their playstyle.

[remote karma]

Sure. Just to take recent examples, what do you do on levels like C1 extreme? Just stay in 1 place and try to shoot everything (especially infinite shadow/shadow giant wave)?

[atomic escarp]

The biggest kiter and bhopper always say you dont need it, yet that's all they do and their vids 😂

[dreamy bramble]

c1 ext just permafoam kek

[remote karma]

Or apply common sense and run through the enemies and fight our later. It's still kiting.

just not infinite circle kiting or something similar.

[dreamy bramble]

c2overload is the only example this rundown where you have to kite

[remote karma]

Just as well.

[glossy pilot]

What if they just made the environment more exploitable? Like make the terrain vault-able or climbable or something and slow them down when climbing so that you can traverse faster than them so that you can "kite" them to avoid them and then turn around and shoot, but that getting up close with a hammer and running past them is suicide.

[nocturne flax]

Because its bugged

[dreamy bramble]

ik

that’s my point

[atomic escarp]

Didn't see acknowledgement that c2 overload is bugged

[nocturne flax]

Theres a difference between that and going to extraction but for that
You could kill off the error wave and then kill and sneak past the main room theres a lot of variabke but that i cannot xover but thst would be the general idea

You could always just run past them then leave a sniper dentry to chip away at them

And if you wanna get technical thst nkt really kiting that nust you running trough a room and waking them up

Or you can have a clown circle kiting there

Wichever you like

[remote karma]

Kill the entire shadow wave and sneak through the populated room? gl with that.

[nocturne flax]

But doesnt remove the problem we are actually talking about

[remote karma]

I'm not a huge fan of circle kiting if anything.

But kiting itself is an essential part of the game atm.

If wasn't in R1 when most of the players had no clue that it even existed.

But ever since R2E1 (at least)?

[nocturne flax]

I mean people played the game the way it was suppose to be played back then

But then just realize its easier to run away and slowly but steady grow up in popularity

[remote karma]

Well, but staying on 1 spot and just die while being overrun is extremely irrational. In any game (gtfo included) common sense tells that kiting is the best option. While killing instantly respawning enemies is pointless as long as you don't need to hold your ground.

[nocturne flax]

Thats just one extreme

Never did i say stay in one spot like a sentry

[remote karma]

But it highlights the importance of kiting available in the game.

[nocturne flax]

But neither did i say run two rooms away

[tired charm]

To an extent I can agree with what you're saying, but also don't gatekeep certain playstyles

[remote karma]

Would I love to see kiting made harder all across the board? Absolutely.

But its presence in the game is a must.

[nocturne flax]

Kiting its not important

You understanding of the weapon your using + you aim + the understanding of game mechanics and positioning its fsr better

Than learning how to press shift and running at angle

Its just easier to do the ladder

[tired charm]

It's how people just play the game bro

[nocturne flax]

You can hold everything

[glossy pilot]

in my experience I've never had to run very far to hold on, generally I don't even have to run at all

it just makes it easier

so kiting is NOT essential

but it lowers the skill floor

[tired charm]

Yes let's raise the skill floor and thus lower the population

[errant vigil]

I don't understand that arguement

[dreamy bramble]

how many people do you think would quit the game because of ktiing being patched lmao

[errant vigil]

new players don't know how to kite

thus they learn how to shoot better and plan better

[glossy pilot]

Yeah

[errant vigil]

rather than just run away cause the enemies are dangerous to them

so they're not going to run through them constantly

[tired charm]

One of you guys just said that any dumbass can kite

[glossy pilot]

Removing kiting doesn’t push away new players, only people who can’t play without t because they just used it as a crutch

[nocturne flax]

Of course

[tired charm]

Do you think win percentages are gonna raise by completely removing kiting?

[nocturne flax]

Once he/she knows

They will not stop doing it 🤔

Does that matter in a hardcore game like this?

Last time i check they take pride on people failing 😂

[glossy pilot]

Yeah I think medium-low win percentages are the whole idea

[remote karma]

If kiting is so OP, why %of completions on the hardest map is so small though?
And btw, if removing of kiting won't push away new players, why would its presence do so?
And what about the idea of thinking of newer players only? Sure, they should be considered, but the game has a long learning curve, and older players should be considered just as well.

[tired charm]

So if they remove kiting, will they achieve their goal?

[glossy pilot]

I’m not sure

But they have expressed displeasure with the play style

[nocturne flax]

Because they made it sonyou csnt kite since r4 kekw

Try to solo r4e1

[remote karma]

Ehm, how is that relevant? Since we are speaking about design, I don't believe GTFO was designed to solo levels.

[nocturne flax]

Its a hardcore game with no tutorial new people will struggle anyway without watching a youtube vid or 2
Your

[tired charm]

Just curious, where?

[nocturne flax]

Imt ryign to respond yo the long ass question pepehands

Also why using win%

[remote karma]

Since shift + jump is OP, the % of success should be incredibly high. If that's so easy to reproduce. That's why.

[turbid cliff]

and their statements have changed somewhat over time on some stuff

for the clear%

it's shit anyway cuz it doesn't count uniques

1 dude throwing himself 100 times at it in solo is 100 attempts 0 completions

and besides

[remote karma]

So do strong teams by completing E1 a number of times.

It works both sides.

[nocturne flax]

Let me answet 1 by1
Kiting gives a false sense of skill nobody cares about % completions, its a balance problem you have 1 guy running and getting all agroo thats the main topic about it you using %wins its just a way to deviate from the convo, also unless you have 1 guy carry all the people simultaneously theres no way the %win rate will go up lmao
2- it wont push away new players, it will detriment int he long run for that player since once they start adding stuff to the game that makes things harder then that person will infinitly struggle
3-old player like me fucking hate kiting so do many because its more fun to shoot than cheese a scan by running two rooms away or circle kiting

[turbid cliff]

well yeah but that doesn't hurt my point any

clear% is not representative

without kiting devs would actually get feedback about difficulty without it and adjust that difficulty better for the playstyle they're aiming at

probably.

[jolly imp]

the problem with removeing kiting its that it will probably affect running for you life while being chased(not to kill but to run to a chokepoint/ a better position/or to get help from teammates)beacuse if you make the sleepers faster or more precise to get the kiters it will also hurt this part or the gameplay too. and still i dont see it as a big of a deal 95% of the times with 4 people its not mandatory

[tired charm]

I can get behind this sort of statement

[turbid cliff]

yeah well that's what they're trying to avoid

devs have said they're aiming to mitigate kiting by adding new enemies, hazards n shit

[sick hornet]

i feel the best way to get rid of kiting is not to change the current enemies, but add a new baseline one

[nocturne flax]

Who says there gonna balance it by making the strikers more accurate?

[jolly imp]

either that or make them more dumb

[errant vigil]

what, if you are with your team and need to reload/reposition and heal they will cover with stagger and killing

[acoustic breach]

Remove kiting, remove permafoaming and then you can actually balance the game

And make it more fun

[turbid cliff]

well that's a statement that'll continue infinitely kekw

[obtuse surge]

remove burst cannon

[nocturne flax]

Wait

[sick hornet]

remove all guns but dmr and sniper

[errant vigil]

it's still here

monkaGIGA

[acoustic breach]

Also remove 50% supply/med boosters kekw

Literal easy mode

[sick hornet]

also remove 1/3 of the resources from every level

[sand beacon]

Whenever people complain about gtfo being too easy, it just means they spent way too much time and are too good now :P

[nocturne flax]

Also add snatcher

[sand beacon]

just do challenge runs

[acoustic breach]

Just add a "kill all sleepers in front of you button"

But don't complain about it, you can choose not to use it!

[sand beacon]

lol

[sick hornet]

even hammers only runs are easy on lower tiers, the game needs a bit more balance

[turbid cliff]

you do realize if they simply remove that shit they're definitely scaling the difficulty down as well right

you're not gonna get what you want

if you can beat E tier of R4 easily

why should E tier of Rx be difficult

[sick hornet]

its not that, its that there are too many resources

you can run and gun on stealth zones of D tier

this is not right

[turbid cliff]

playing since R1 and there was never a time when i ran out of ammo

never cared about it

[sick hornet]

isnt one of the big parts of this game resource management?

you dont have to, ever

[turbid cliff]

maybe you're just to the point where efficiency is natural

if you optimize shit why would it be a problem

[errant vigil]

Don't need to resource manage when you can run through the enemy and regen back to 20

[sick hornet]

at this point yes, but i have never run out of resources, even as a beginner when i didnt know how to use the terminal

i have never seen beginners run out of resources

[remote karma]

That's a legit point, and I believe it's broadly accepted by everyone as a decent solution.

[turbid cliff]

clearly you haven't looked around much

[sick hornet]

i have played plenty of A runs just sitting back and watching

never seen lack of resources as a problem

even with them shooting every room

[nocturne flax]

Resources are set up the way they are for first playtroughs

[sand beacon]

I remember distinctly running out of ammo completely when I first tried R4 A2 PE

[turbid cliff]

i don't know maybe we don't live in the same universe then

[sand beacon]

Which is impressive now I look back on it

[sick hornet]

I get A tier having a lot more resources, thats obvious

but once you hit D tier you should be at least decent with efficiency

they give you way more than needed in the slightest

[remote karma]

If 1 guys is carrying the entire team that's only a decent support to your argument against kiting. But since completions are low, apparently these carries don't influence the stats across the board. Especially since it's way more common on easier levels, not so much on latter once. Especially some levels require the entire team to be on point.

[acoustic breach]

Then you have the entire team kiting

[nocturne flax]

R4c2 mofos be like

R2e1 mofo be like

[dreamy bramble]

surges are impossible to hold wdym

[nocturne flax]

R4b2 be like

A lot of those %completions wee made with kiting too

[turbid cliff]

you know how this whole thing could be not so subjective? if we actually had all the data and devs talking

but we don't

[nocturne flax]

Or do you think those completions are all because of people holding?

[acoustic breach]

Data is tainted anyway

You don't know how many people kited their way to victory

[turbid cliff]

you don't know what kind of data i'm talking about

[robust marsh]

can i ask what we talking about?

[turbid cliff]

about infinite cycles

[nocturne flax]

Omelet

[remote karma]

But that's my point, there is nothing wrong with kiting xD
So I'm not saying that people are obliged to hold.
I'm even more tolerant to kiting because of R5 with respawn mechanics (which needs a polish, true, but the concept is there) and perhaps new enemies on the way, which will make kiting harder.

[acoustic breach]

I don't think the data is so sophisticated that you'd be able to tell at a glance if someone was kiting or not

[turbid cliff]

you could probably tell how many uses of ammo are consumed or how many people run out of it in a level

[acoustic breach]

That's true

[turbid cliff]

i can live either way, both for kiting and bhop

[robust marsh]

good idea for stopping or making ppl bad at kiting: put more blood on the visor (:

[turbid cliff]

but as i said i don't think either way will make the game marginally better

probably no kiting would make balancing easier

[acoustic breach]

Imo kiting is boring

[sick hornet]

yes

[turbid cliff]

i've been saying this since R1 too but i'd rather they focused a few months specifically on core and bug fixing

[sick hornet]

i dont think anyone actually wants to kite when they do XD

[robust marsh]

kiting is good when you not doing it 24/7

[acoustic breach]

No kiting = less boring gameplay, less waiting around for people to kite

Better gameplay statistics for devs to balance the game with

[turbid cliff]

more dying to one mistake after 1 hour in a level

kekw

[acoustic breach]

Yeah, like you're supposed to

[robust marsh]

its what the game was ment to be

[turbid cliff]

well i can't say whether that's true

[errant vigil]

you can also shoot the mistake away

[remote karma]

Turret roleplay simulator?

[turbid cliff]

but it doesn't sound like a healthy way to be

[robust marsh]

you can't fight ones way of liveing

[errant vigil]

and use the precious resources

[acoustic breach]

Now your punishment is waiting for someone to finish their run to spawn and back 30 minute fitbit powerrock soundttrack cycle

[robust marsh]

still the game was promised as a hardcore game that even one misstake will kill the run

i know for a fact 10+ teams when woke the mother room in R4E1 they kited it away

[sick hornet]

if there were less resources in lower tiers that would be the case

[robust marsh]

i mean

[sick hornet]

only 10+?

[robust marsh]

well as i know

they may be more

[shy vessel]

people will stop kiting when the devs introduce an enemy that actually punishes it

[robust marsh]

also B1 overload is broken

SOO MUCH AMMO

[turbid cliff]

or not

anyway i've had enough of this infinite cycle for some time

[shy vessel]

currently all the enemies encourage you to kite / melee fight them ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[turbid cliff]

the only truth about kiting is that its discussions never go anywhere

[shy vessel]

fr

[robust marsh]

im on this with bot if the game doesn't punishes you for what you are doing why would you not do it?

[acoustic breach]

Exactly

So punish it

[sick hornet]

the only enemies you cant reliably kill with hammer:
spitters

that is all

[robust marsh]

yes

[shy vessel]

[robust marsh]

as you can even side step chargers

LIKE WTF

[sick hornet]

even giant chargers can be easily melee'd if you know what you are doing

maybe mother would be tough

but everything else, easy enough

[acoustic breach]

Just kite the babies to the other side of the map 👀

ez clap

[sick hornet]

true

[errant vigil]

just lag the game with babies

easy kite

[sick hornet]

im not talking about kiting in all these though

kiting is never really necessary

[atomic escarp]

Would you guys agree/disagree that the new danger has limited kiting in a sense?

Example: On a lot of occasions players would kite back into other rooms that have more space or all the way back to spawn back in the other rundowns. Now in my opinion players aren't exactly finding it harder to kite but knowing that if they go back into a room it would wake up even more enemies making kiting more problematic.

[acoustic breach]

I think the hammer killing is fine though

[sick hornet]

not at all kerse

[acoustic breach]

People just exploit it by leaving someone there

[sick hornet]

circle go brrrr

^ that too

[turbid cliff]

the answer is technically yes

[acoustic breach]

But yeah, I guess people do kind of not kite into problematic rooms

[turbid cliff]

but it comes with so many problems

[acoustic breach]

But they just kite in other rooms instead

[atomic escarp]

So you're saying the new danger has made no change to kiting at all?

[acoustic breach]

Very little

[sick hornet]

in a way it limits where you can kite, but you can still kite

[turbid cliff]

don't be that interviewer woman

[sick hornet]

its more annoying than anything

[acoustic breach]

People now AFK in rooms because they don't want crap spawning

[turbid cliff]

rather than just focusing on solving kiting, it's more important that that bs caused more problems than it solved

[acoustic breach]

Doesn't make for thrilling gameplay either

I think it's kind of the same as kiting

[robust marsh]

yes but no

it made it more annoying

not harder

[sick hornet]

the idea of it was good, but instead of distance away and 10 second timer, they should be able to spawn on top of you with an animation with a 5-10 minute timer

[robust marsh]

or impossible

just more annoying

[errant vigil]

damn

then don't spawn block if it's not hard

[nocturne flax]

Respawn room shoukd have more deadlier enemies

[errant vigil]

just kill it again

[robust marsh]

thats one of the bad things about respawn mechanics that ludvig even fucking agrees

[errant vigil]

or

stealth through it

[atomic escarp]

Interesting answers thanks.

[nocturne flax]

Loke c1

[robust marsh]

i agree

[turbid cliff]

does killing or stealthing through it 10 times over make the game experience any better?

fkn cheapens it

[robust marsh]

as stealth in this game is not just a green light red light

[sick hornet]

C1 was good, but i think the S1 should have been 1 more room away so you arent forced to clear the stealth room

[robust marsh]

there is a skill to clearing rooms without nothing wakeing up

but some levels...

just afk

Like its not worth it

Exp: C1

[errant vigil]

cringe

Fast stealth clearing

[robust marsh]

the intro to that level was so good

[errant vigil]

easy

[remote karma]

I just wish respawns were triggering to specific events (uplinks, alarms, etc). One may say that unlinks don't have a team scan, so 1 player can easily block a spawn. However, it is always possible to add a team scan before the uplink or else. It is cheaper than making new animations + there is no reason to stay AFK any longer. Could be hard to adjust to error alarms, however.

[acoustic breach]

People will always try to choose the most optimal option, even if it's utterly boring. That's why kiting exists, why people afk in rooms, why people perma c-foam doors etc.

[robust marsh]

but other things in it was shit

[atomic escarp]

What other levels are people afking because they don't want to deal with enemies respawning except for C1?

[acoustic breach]

A2, D1

[quaint yarrow]

C1 is prime example of how shit respawning system is.

[sick hornet]

D1?

where

[robust marsh]

A2/A1 if one room is really bad/C2/D1/C1

AKA ALL OF THEM

[dreamy bramble]

who afks in c2 lol

[acoustic breach]

D1 extreme, last zone before surge scan

[robust marsh]

and B3

[errant vigil]

how is c1 respawn shit

[sick hornet]

interesting considering the S1 door

[errant vigil]

because it's actually hard

[robust marsh]

trust me sometimes its not worth to just pass on the cluster gen room can make things intersting

[dreamy bramble]

yeah all the scans are s1s on c2 and it's the easiest zone to clear zz

[robust marsh]

hard is something annoying is something else

[vapid moon]

c1 respawn is annoying. not really hard, just a big inconvenience

[robust marsh]

if there was a lot of enemys i say ya its hard

but its all hybirds

[remote karma]

C1 respawns are beautiful, if only it was impossible to block the spawns. The idea of running away from shadow wave through 2 populated rooms and fighting during extraction is gorgeous.

[robust marsh]

that you can just look down

and DONE

LIKE BRUH

[vapid moon]

that doesnt work anymore B)

[errant vigil]

he doesn't know

[vapid moon]

LMAO

[robust marsh]

than im lucky?

[sick hornet]

you dont fight through extract, you just pull them individually

[vapid moon]

yes, they absolutely patched that

[robust marsh]

than im the luckest man alive HAHAHA

[sick hornet]

shooters aim for chest instead of head now

[remote karma]

I told the idea is beautiful, that's the point 🙂

[sick hornet]

:)

[vapid moon]

i see you invested in the right skill tree

[robust marsh]

yes

[remote karma]

Mb more intense shadow wave to force players to run through the rooms.

[robust marsh]

also the respawn system is good but it needs polishing but not right now

[sick hornet]

that would have been really cool if they had a punishing wave on a timer after finishing extreme

[robust marsh]

NOT BEFORE THEY FIX THE BLOODY CHARGER SCOUT

[sick hornet]

wdym?

[vapid moon]

yeah, its a good idea, but the respawn is too inconvenient

[robust marsh]

bruh do i have to say what i mean builder

[errant vigil]

damn if only terminals in c1 required team scans to start

[sick hornet]

yes

[robust marsh]

its a lazy enemy

its just a charger with feelers

[sick hornet]

while true, i like the mechanic it adds

[robust marsh]

yes

[vapid moon]

yeah

[robust marsh]

but the model they need to fix

[sick hornet]

teamwork

[robust marsh]

thats all i want

[vapid moon]

although they did give it a new model

[robust marsh]

i want the model to be fixed

[vapid moon]

whats wrong with it?

[dreamy bramble]

charger scout is dumb but i love it

[sick hornet]

its the same changes as shooter -> scout

[remote karma]

it is, but that fact that triggering a scout is actually punishing is beautiful (meaning charger waves).

[robust marsh]

its a lazy model

[sick hornet]

thats D1 specific

[robust marsh]

the devs are mostly lazy

[sick hornet]

not the charger scout

[vapid moon]

mmm i disagree

[robust marsh]

if we pass on they may think its ok to be lazy

[remote karma]

I wish it was across all maps, just like shadow scouts spawning shadows on any map, not just E1.

[vapid moon]

its not that theyre lazy, they over complicate things.

when theres very simple solutions to some bugs but they want everything to be super unique

[robust marsh]

heeeeeeee guess you right

but still

[dreamy bramble]

i don't mind the scouts being buffed exclusively on the deeper levels tbh

[robust marsh]

they had plenty of time to at least make a model

like just a scout with hybird head

[sick hornet]

it is a great change, i love it

[dreamy bramble]

allows for new players to get familiar with scout variants before having to suffer the higher stakes

[vapid moon]

i agree

[sick hornet]

actually punishes you for waking them

[dreamy bramble]

ye

[atomic escarp]

I have to disagree Jones, the charger scout now requires teamwork to take it out, it's not just one person anymore. At least one other person has to come in and tackle the threat, plus like someone mentioned above if you don't kill it, a whole wave of chargers come for you now.

[robust marsh]

im not saying its a bad thing

i really love it

but the model

is super lazy

[sick hornet]

again, the chargers are D1, not charger scout

its the same for all scouts on D1

[robust marsh]

at least the charger scout in B1 unless they changed the model in D1

in that case someone tell me

[vapid moon]

i just wish charger scouts were a tiny bit more able to double hit. the window is very very small, i just wish it was possible to get it with some communication

[atomic escarp]

Oh I know I'm just specifying for that level.

[errant vigil]

Having more mixed spawn with scouts would be good and making what they spawn correlate with what type they are is also good but I think that would require reworking how scout spawns work

[sick hornet]

fair enough

[sick hornet]

correct

[indigo lantern]

I hate among us i hate among us

[robust marsh]

agree

[acoustic breach]

You can always C-Foam it 👀

[vapid moon]

sussy

[sick hornet]

no

bad spartan

[acoustic breach]

But I like that too, it gives you more options

[sick hornet]

participate in the teamwork

[acoustic breach]

Never!

[indigo lantern]

Spartan? The man himself?

[vapid moon]

to the dungeons

[sick hornet]

that is spartan, yes

[acoustic breach]

Allegedly

[indigo lantern]

Holy frick

[robust marsh]

the scout spawning diff enemys is very fun and very cool as in you going to have a bigger problem when you alert a harder to kill scout

meaning the reward of killing it is a lot more

[indigo lantern]

Thank you for your service @acoustic breach

[tulip vale]

I still feel like they definitely should have changed the feeler pattern for charger scouts though...

[sick hornet]

inb4 r5 ext has tanks on scouts in E1

[tulip vale]

Make it unique or smthn

[errant vigil]

I don't know what they would do to do that maybe add tiny black spikes to their tendrils

cause different pattern to tendrils feels lazy

[sick hornet]

a new pattern would be nice if it was actually different

[robust marsh]

its better than just haveing normal scout feelers :/

[sick hornet]

rundown 6, "the scout update"

[robust marsh]

wished

[tulip vale]

"10 new scouts added" different feelers this time? "Nah all reskins"

[acoustic breach]

Introducing: Tank scout

[dreamy bramble]

baby scout

[robust marsh]

...

[sick hornet]

rundown 1, "the release"
rundown 2, "the stinky fog update"
rundown 3, "the mother update"
rundown 4, "the difficulty update"
rundown 5, "the booster update"

[errant vigil]

damn a scout that dies in one hit

very challenging

[tulip vale]

10 of them per room

[errant vigil]

one hit anywhere

[tulip vale]

Please no

[robust marsh]

i love that

[tulip vale]

C2 overload from r4 was enough for me

I just wanna see where I'm going

[errant vigil]

grab an lrf

problem solved

[turbid cliff]

R4: the length update*

[sick hornet]

true

A2 was good

[tulip vale]

Rundown 27 "the among us update"

[sick hornet]

no

[tulip vale]

Lmao

🥸

[sick hornet]

and cliffs*

fall damage is doubled

[tulip vale]

Fall damage is scarier than most of the enemies

[sick hornet]

i swear over half the damage i take is fall damage

[turbid cliff]

Just make players take 1 damage every time they jump

Bhop solved

[acoustic breach]

Stamina bar for sprinting

[sick hornet]

the other 25% is shooters

stamina bar is a big no no

[errant vigil]

eh it's fine

[acoustic breach]

Invisible stamina bar

Audio cues for running out of breath

[hearty bridge]

Just curious, how in ur opinion R5D1 is hard compared to R4E1?

[sick hornet]

its not really

[acoustic breach]

Less difficult

Pretty fun though

[sick hornet]

its a fun level

probably my favorite so far

might change my mind with C2 if overload is less dumb

[errant vigil]

D1 isn't that hard when you take your time and actually stealth

[atomic escarp]

So you guys are agreeing in a sense that R4E1 is harder than R5D1?

[acoustic breach]

Yeah, there's less room for error there

[dreamy bramble]

it's not even close imo

[errant vigil]

if you do extreme it more room

a lot more

e1 reactor was piss easy

[acoustic breach]

Well, I guess R5D1 extreme comes close though

[sick hornet]

E1 reactor was so dumb

[acoustic breach]

R4E1 Extreme?

I loved it

[sick hornet]

D1 extreme isnt really difficult, its just... fun

D1 is a very well made level

E1 extreme was good with 4 man codes

[errant vigil]

remove burst cannon and hel revo then e1 becomes kind of difficult

[dreamy bramble]

haven't beat d1 ext yet cause the mother keeps doing jank shit :(

but should be done soon

[sick hornet]

pain

[dreamy bramble]

gotta love when the npcs noclip

[acoustic breach]

Clipping into the wall is kind of a problem yeah

For mother

[sick hornet]

ive only done ext once, lost at the surge because i may or may not have used a door that gives the enemies a direct line to us

[errant vigil]

I mean new cfoam trip is op against her

[atomic escarp]

Would you say R4E1 mainly is more difficult cause of what the tank error? or extreme because you're essentially putting your trust into one person to get the codes?

[errant vigil]

Just put it above baby level and she insta cfoams

[dreamy bramble]

pmother clipped through our cfoam door, setting off the mines and nuking our cfoam door lol

[acoustic breach]

You kill so many tanks you get used to killing them quickly

So I'd say extreme is the real difficulty

[sick hornet]

its more difficult because... idk

it just is

[acoustic breach]

And of course high is very unforgiving

If you screw up stealth

[sick hornet]

if you do extreme its run and gun

[errant vigil]

yes that's why you put it on her security door and kill babies while she takes her time getting out of the room

[sick hornet]

dislike that

[dreamy bramble]

we learned our lesson dw

[acoustic breach]

It's not though

If you don't stealth in extreme yar screwed

Unless you mean the people staying behind

[sick hornet]

no, after extreme high is run and gun

mb

[acoustic breach]

E1 or D1

[sick hornet]

E1

[acoustic breach]

But you have to go through like 10 invisible scouts

[sick hornet]

gun simply goes brrr

you just shoot them all

[atomic escarp]

But that only became apparent cause of speedrunning let's be honest MAC

[sick hornet]

tf you on about

if i go into high 100/100 with a 5 use ammo im blasting away

[acoustic breach]

Killing every double scout perfectly in sync?

[atomic escarp]

high when before or after you get all resources?

[acoustic breach]

With invisible giants in the room?

[sick hornet]

pretty much yea

yes

[acoustic breach]

[sick hornet]

shoot the scouts, bio tags, shoot the giants

[errant vigil]

it wasn't speedruns that made people do that it was the sheer amount of resources that you got from extreme

especially if you did hammer kite strat

[candid dragon]

we talking about e1?

[sick hornet]

yes

[candid dragon]

multi-clapping shadow scouts was great.

[sick hornet]

yes

[nocturne flax]

Yo devs, you forgot to turn off the crosshair in the intro movie

[vapid moon]

haha lmao

[nocturne flax]

Big ol circle

[kind hound]

soo have scouts always been able to open doors and move to different rooms?

[errant vigil]

Not open doors but there have been a few tiles that allow them to move between rooms which is a bug but is neat when it happens

they kind of wack out

[kind hound]

I had the re spawning one in C2 open a door and move into one of the side rooms. was kind of nutty.

[nocturne flax]

R3c1 be like

Animal planet

[obtuse surge]

previous explanation for that bug would make sense for it to exist on C2

pathing through the other room can be faster due to the layout with those stairs

[mild sonnet]

R3C1 was the best

[vapid moon]

= 🐶

[main iris]

Like todd howard said, "it's not a bug, it's a feature"

[summer plank]

what can the sniper do/kill that the hel rifle can't? because the rifle has a lot more ammo

[lyric narwhal]

sniper can 1 shot big strikers, big shooters and hybrids to the head

[summer plank]

so the rifle can't do that, got it

[atomic escarp]

The additionally the sniper doesn't
penetrate, which in some situations is actually beneficial. You can use the sniper to get "stealth" kills (there are several ways, for example firing from far enough away in a completely different room) where as with the hel rifle would keep going, until it hit a wall and alert anything nearby likely alerting the whole room

[obtuse surge]

that's literally not a thing

[native pilot]

is it possible to softlock in B2 ?

we are currently in the extream objective and found out that we need the fog turbine but in order to get that we need to first open the high objective

and another door is unable to operate where we would get another bulkhead key

[atomic escarp]

Oh good to know! Thanks Wesley! Don't remember who I heard it from though so sadly can't pass it along.

[native pilot]

we have non

and we can't get in the high objective afterwards to finish because we are lacking a bulkhead

[atomic escarp]

Fog turbine becomes available once you finish extreme objective, not high

I don't see why you would require a fog turbine in extreme zone, but you can disinfect @ the machine after finishing extreme objective

[candid dragon]

i forget, what opens the disinfect zone in b2?

[sick hornet]

finishing extreme

[obtuse surge]

well because B2 works as intended, it's possible that your layout gets fucked to the point where you have to do an uplink in fog

[sick hornet]

simply be max infected 😎

[velvet flower]

You can stand on top of the foggy terminal to avoid infection

[obtuse surge]

is interrupting attacks supposed to be different for each striker stance? has that always been a thing without me noticing it or is it part of the reason why stagger feels fucked this rundown

[obtuse surge]

ok

i can still do it for all of them but it feels more tight

which kind of sucks because latency affects it

good luck getting perfect timing if you're not the host

[safe timber]

i doubt im going to be playing much of this rundown

what are the new enemies?

[obtuse surge]

charger scout

[safe timber]

those are in the game

wait

you mean

literaly

oh fuck lmao

[obtuse surge]

scout dipped in oil

[prisma swan]

its a charger with scout ai

[safe timber]

thats super sick

anything else?

[obtuse surge]

no

[safe timber]

ah ok

[dark yarrow]

in A2 whats the req for the highest level objective?

we did normal and extreme but didnt see a bulkhead for the difficulty after

[mortal granite]

pick up the hisec

overload will let you open

[dreamy bramble]

the door is in the room before the hisec

[dark yarrow]

so wait after we pick up hisec we'll be able to do it?

just makin sure i got it right lol

[dreamy bramble]

yep

[dark yarrow]

also appreciate the help in advance

[dreamy bramble]

have fun in overload

[dark yarrow]

the hisec cargo one in A2 was the one where you had to rush for the crate during an alarm right? or am i misthinking

[dreamy bramble]

it starts the permanent waves once you pick it up

if that's what you're referring to

[dark yarrow]

ah i see

do we need to take the crate with us for the overload or just for main

like can we go to the scan and leave it there and go back for overload

[dreamy bramble]

you don't need to bring it into overload

but it's required to extract

so once you finish overload you still have to run back with the cargo

[lusty nest]

how do i open the door a2 oveload caz i dont see any key for it

[solemn wigeon]

Pick up the cargo first

Then overload will unlock automatically

[lusty nest]

oh ok thx

[solemn wigeon]

Np go

Gl

[turbid cliff]

It looked random to me rather than related to timing

[mortal granite]

Fixed issue where Leaving and Rejoining caused Lights and Fog to not be in sync

oof

[turbid cliff]

Artifact emitter tweak - so the ambient sound before you pick them up is louder now i assume

[tribal cosmos]

lmao

[turbid cliff]

Wonder what caused falling through floor in the first place

[velvet flower]

C1:

• Added a delay on the extraction wave

Wait, there's an extraction wave on C1?

[ancient delta]

What is exactly the meaning of "Tweaked"? Balanced?

[tribal cosmos]

C2:

• Removed enemy respawners in the generator cluster zone

C2 Overload:

• Reduced the amount of enemies in the scan fight overall
• Reduced the amount of boss enemies and made the spawning timing more predictable
• Fixed a bug where Boss enemies would spawn at the same time

D1 Extreme:

• Removed some enemies of a specific type from the second zone of the Extreme sector
• Added an enemy to the third zone instead

oh man

this is too good

[devout river]

I wonder what enemy they added to the third zone of D1 extreme

I want to think it’s something new but probably not

[tribal cosmos]

so no more cheese on overload and no more bs scouts in D1

[errant vigil]

what

the scouts weren't what was hard about the level

[tribal cosmos]

D1 scout in the second room

[turbid cliff]

Depends on the context, the word doesn't mean much to be honest. It just says it should be closer to expectations now

[mortal granite]

at least you can't cheese spawner in C1 now

[ancient delta]

Okay thnx

[turbid cliff]

Wouldn't it just be charger scouts

[devout river]

I guess

Yeah

[errant vigil]

C1 actually fun to play now

No more respawn cheese

[mortal granite]

second zone of D1 extreme

hmmmmmmm

[errant vigil]

sadge

[turbid cliff]

BuT YoU cOUld ChOOse noT TO do thaT