Digitalvagrant got a +20% bioscan speed but only if in glowstick light radius last night
#gtfo-spoiler-chat
sterile isle
i like the bio scan speed
errant vigil
I'm waiting for Regen speed, regen cap, and damage resist
sterile isle
glowstick radius > bioscan ?
errant vigil
typically yes
sterile isle
nice
orchid terrace
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1006593715?t=3h12m24s this...
Aside from the "hack the scan" meme one, this one is pretty gold
sterile isle
wait hold up, so you have to toss a glowstick in order for the booster to work, is that it? im confused
orchid terrace
yes
errant vigil
yes
north zephyr
you have to be near the glowstick
orchid terrace
the devs went full meme on "hack the scan" and "glowsticks are useless" memes
dak had the "faster bioscan if hacktool is out" buff last night
as much as I think the whole boosters are a bit unnecessary, that is pretty fucking funny
desert shell
do the damage boost with glowsticks stack?
austere void
Sometimes I'm really astounded by how smart I am.
Yesterday we did A2 PE. We killed the moma, however, we forgot to do the actual objective of Overload so we just went straight to extraction without a single worry on our mind:yum:
@latent pilot
zinc wyvern
so uh, can you melee the charger scout or whatever that thing is in b1 overload?
maybe with 2 ppl?
austere void
The moma? You're gonna get demolished
austere void
You need to burst down those blobs on its back
Did you read what I said Dusty? xD
That's my response in regards to being 'smart'
Imagine opening Overload, killing the moma and forgetting to do the actual overload objective afterwards
errant vigil
Do you mean A2 PE
errant vigil
it's the one you're talking about where birther is in overload alerted and you have to pick up a HDD
austere void
Yep
errant vigil
I'm also trying to keep my missions straight
latent pilot
wait really cryo ???
weak jasper
Gigabrain
errant vigil
@zinc wyvern yes you can double hammer it to the back
zinc wyvern
thx
shadow scroll
Is it just me or did the mother become tank-ier
ancient saffron
With the artifact that says +25% health regen cap does that mean it goes to 45 or 25
atomic escarp
25
mossy yoke
25% increase of 20
atomic escarp
D0c, how does regen cap stack?
mossy yoke
20 * (1.percent)
20 * (1.25) = 25 total HP
mossy yoke
so if you have a 25% and a 18% then it'd be 20 * 1.43 = 28.6
turbid cliff
additive, good to know
mighty pond
Ye
lapis loom
does the Class M VI alarm in C2 actually mean anything special, or is it just a Class 6 alarm with shadows
pliant shard
It ends in sustain team scan
high forge
lapis loom
ah ok
I was playing solo so only got to the first set of scans lol
part of me hoped it was a class 1006 alarm and I'd be there for 6 hours
twilit remnant
for A2 is it extreme before high?
robust marsh
for A2 is it extreme before high?
.
robust marsh
also gl you gonna have fun with overload (:
twilit remnant
oh no
robust marsh
you have to do overload before high
but when you get to it you will understand what you must do
twilit remnant
extremem overload high
robust marsh
if you dont come back and tag me
turbid ridge
I did it last night but I forget what it was, A1 Extreme, was is the objective?
atomic escarp
maaan i wish the cocoons were like a one time respawn thing, and when you see they've respawned, the cocoons are all popped open and empty and stuff
arctic sparrow
I did it last night but I forget what it was, A1 Extreme, was is the objective?
Finding 6 Plant Samples, they're in lockers and boxes.
worthy forge
Does anyone have a clue what are the conditions for cacoon respawns? Because ive been testing it and I cant seem to get any understanding on how it works
turbid ridge
Oo, ty ty. I somehow thought that was A2
@worthy forge A room with no enemies will eventually spawn more in but you have to be 2 rooms away
arctic sparrow
Does anything happen if you hit the things on the ceiling?
worthy forge
Right, but on A1, i just got enemies to spawn in the room right next to me even saw it on my biotracker
And in another place i was 2 rooms away left to get lunch and came back to no respawns
turbid ridge
No, you can't destroy them
A1 is weird because of how large the rooms are; I believe the square-shape of them counts as 'one' room
worthy forge
But this wasnt in the big rooms, it was one of the starter rooms
Im in 62A
And that triggers spawns in 61G even though they are right next to each other
turbid ridge
Oh, maybe it is being weird then
mellow creek
the new map is weird w the respawns
arctic sparrow
Does anyone know what the short cutscene after injection represents?
sterile isle
Today i learnt that the hel rifle can shoot through a scout's body bent down and still kill it
turbid cliff
you probably hit it from behind
candid dragon
So have we truly nailed down respawn rules?
sterile isle
yeah it was from behind, i panicked when i saw a white marker but turns out i killed it
although i did have a special dmg booster
turbid cliff
on scout you can only get either red or blue afaik
jagged kernel
Anyone have any tips for finishing the end of B1? Team keeps wiping at that point
honest mortar
^^ extraction? and which difficulty?
jagged kernel
Normal difficulty we opened the error doors and get swarmed by the chargers trying to find the sample
honest mortar
Just be sure to set up before hand, try to work as a team and go quickly. You can have a few behind holding the line while the other two stealth if you want. In general, just work quickly.
jagged kernel
Just be sure to set up before hand, try to work as a team and go quickly. You ca...
Appreciate it. First rundown we're trying to beat
sick hornet
has anyone beat D1
yes, one of the teams posted a clear this morning
honest mortar
Also worth it to make it to the terminal and guard someone while they ping it.
honest mortar
Probably dont get any new levels immediately but I am guessing they will expand the rundown eventually, due to the fog on the map
Rundown three they gated it behind a visible completion rate, rundown four just straight up got expanded and had the same brown/grey fog on the rundown list.
arctic sparrow
How good is Rundown 5 so far?
nocturne flax
Amazing
arctic sparrow
Rundown 1 good?
arctic sparrow
Are the artifacts and boosters the progression system?
nocturne flax
Not reallt progression
But more like perks you can use if your struggling with something
candid dragon
Theyre meta disruptors
nocturne flax
Levels are still well balance without them
wintry marlin
Temporary perks (most are 1 use only)
nocturne flax
I find them neat
turbid cliff
nostalgia yes but R1 truly was simpler times
nocturne flax
Yeah im.80 years old
turbid cliff
no enemy collision, enemies slow and not teleporting all around the damn place, way fewer buggy features, felt somewhat more polished than it is now
nocturne flax
BaCk In mY dAy MaCh1NeguN MEltEd Waves
arctic sparrow
I still am a bit annoyed by lack of enemy collision to players.
nocturne flax
no enemy collision, enemies slow and not teleporting all around the damn place, ...
Game was literally bare bones
turbid cliff
that kind of collision would be a disaster though
i don't see the game as any different now
nocturne flax
i don't see the game as any different now
Im on phone but u would list a lot of things
Many things were added
nocturne flax
And they keep improving from previous iterations of rundowns
That been perfomance inprovement, content and the new features we have
nocturne flax
but the core?
Core has to stay the same in some regards, you change that too much people will get angry at it
turbid cliff
idk i just value different things
turbid cliff
besides the features are not nearly in a done state
or maybe that's more into bug territory 🤔
nocturne flax
Matchmaking its still on alpha for a reason and booster they need more of the community feedback(like sctual one not just angry gibberish)
turbid cliff
spitters, error alarms, mother AI (kind of?) and other stuff like that
also enemy door breaking has been just enemies standing on a door for forever and other shit that's not touched since R1
nocturne flax
Your just listing bugs
turbid cliff
it's all things that should be fixed before full release
nocturne flax
Of course
turbid cliff
but with the version upgrades speeding this far ahead i'm getting doubts
turbid cliff
0.77
turbid cliff
with this pace, gear customization, progression, cosmetics, and mm upgrade would already bring us to over 1.0
nocturne flax
Most likely they almost finish behind the curtain
turbid cliff
finished in the early access way that a lot of other things are
which is my main point here
nocturne flax
Content wise im assuming
If they been training theyre new people then im expecting good stuff on r5 ext or r6
Im hoping they speeding up process thanks to that
turbid cliff
guess we'll have to see once again
though in these 5 rundowns not nearly as much got done in those departments as i expected
buoyant gazelle
To clarify, each bullet of dmr does more damage, but double tap fires two per trigger pull
More damage per instance of firing with double tap
But less ammo efficient
pure bough
thin palm
Thank you kindly
solemn wigeon
Imagine
atomic escarp
jolly raven
I just wanna know if more levels show up afterward or not
I think more levels will show up in Extended R5 as they did this for R4. There is one more level below (you will see there is one below D1).
atomic escarp
i am not certain of it, but the coloration of the bottom of the shaft seems to indicate it
turbid cliff
iirc that was a thing in R3 too
thin palm
Can we kill the New scout with hell snipe or full charge hammer?
teal ginkgo
guys how to reset the artifact heat..?
bleak warren
quick question about the rundown: are there actually new enemies (not enemy variation types that are invisible charger scout birther tanks...)?
teal ginkgo
nop
turbid cliff
haven't heard of any yet at least
i don't know if all of the rundown has been explored
bleak warren
ugh... I was really hoping for something new... they were teasing the snatcher in e1 and I was kind of looking forward to something new
kindred mortar
my A1 heat has been 30% for about a day lol
It seems that you need to go to another level and collect artifacts there and it seems not even necessary to successfully complete the level, but I'm not sure
A1-2 are not bad for farming
turbid cliff
well that's a rip then
pulsar zodiac
with the optional objectives in this rundown
I really want to know what optional objectives will E1 has
pulsar zodiac
inb4 another reactor
turbid cliff
i've honestly stopped caring about individual objectives and levels at some point
can't remember any that don't seem like delivery boy simulator
pulsar zodiac
terminal command this rundown is cool ngl
frail zinc
tbh the double tap would be better if it didn't have that weird ass scope 
same reason why i hated the heavy AR so much in r4, terrible scopes
tall ferry
slim stream
Wait seriously? NO new enemies at all??
arctic sparrow
Will there even be an extension?
blazing thicket
Yes
slim stream
We just gotta hope they put some thought into it I guess
slim stream
Maybe but I think most people are kinda disappointed by it, like the respawn mechanic is poorly executed and the new environment is okay, boosters I mean... who asked?😅 I just feel there's SO much they could of done... and they haven't
turbid cliff
new enemy should've been xenomorph tbh
slim stream
Yeah the cocoons need to do summin
calm vessel
i dont think fog at the bottom means an ext
slim stream
i guess this is a form of it?
Maybe? But it's a v weird way of doing it and feels out of place
turbid cliff
idk what they're thinking, this does feel too arcade-y
but meh it adds more fun so whatever
slim stream
But they grow from cocoons now? I'm confused if the devs are suggesting they were people or if they're like weird alien plants
slim stream
Yesss please, just anything new and interesting
Yeah I feel like they just don't like making new stuff😅
pseudo pumice
i don't think it's that; it's just a time/resource management thing
slim stream
But over 6 months? This is what they made?
turbid cliff
we've yet to see where the 6 months went indeed
calm vessel
they took some vacation
turbid cliff
hopefully that new marketing team will let us know where the time goes now
calm vessel
and were hiring and training people aswell
that takes up time too
along with doing back end stuff
pseudo pumice
4 months to move, grow their company, hire new people, holiday break, brand new inventory system, bugfixes
slim stream
Maybe they should of taken more time to rlly make it and work on good ideas then? Atm either the extension or R6 will reallyyyy have to redeem it for them
turbid cliff
talking like one person is taking care of all that
calm vessel
did you really not just read what chase said?
pseudo pumice
like warden said, they mentioned they were working on a new enemy and had to put it on hold
everyone wants new enemies and objectives, including the devs, but if they only release once they've added everything they want then the game would not have an update for like 2 years. they gotta release at some point
slim stream
I get that they're on a time crunch and they can't do everything they want to but even so it feels like it needed more development before R5 released
calm vessel
well yea they did get pressured for time
but they still did add new things
like a new environment and two new systems
slim stream
And the community reaction to such systems I think shows they maybe needed some more thought and discussion 😅
calm vessel
ive been hearing praise to it too for being fun and allowing people to get help with them
slim stream
Hmm interesting clearly a devisive topic
forest horizon
Anybody try out C2 at all? The extreme is fucking nuts at the end
calm vessel
its like with every game tho
some will like a new added mechanic and other will hate it
like with D2 and sunsetting
slim stream
V true
forest horizon
How bad was overload?
main iris
Are there any new enemies?
forest horizon
I don't think there is
There was supposed to be a new enemy but according to the devs it needed more work, might come out an an extension tbh
main iris
huh
blazing thicket
There is a new variant
main iris
whats parasite?
blazing thicket
Parasite?
main iris
oh whats the variant
blazing thicket
Oh
forest horizon
charger scout
blazing thicket
That
forest horizon
Really?
blazing thicket
Epic
main iris
charger scout?
forest horizon
I think its head is slightly bigger too lol
main iris
damn so does it run around or just walk?
blazing thicket
I'd say it's a jog
forest horizon
walks looking very annoyed with everyone
main iris
so its fast
blazing thicket
What makes them different is that you can't kill them with a hammer to the head
main iris
why change the body when we'll never hit it on the body unless by accident
blazing thicket
It takes 2 people to hammer or a sniper/hel rifle
main iris
oh
i get it now
is there a gap bw 2 hits or does it just scream as soon as one hammer lands?
main iris
aight thanks for letting me know man
muted ginkgo
in b2 how do you lift the lockdown to 85? cell is in 84, key for 84 is in 85 so we're stuck
atomic escarp
what the hell is an m class alarm
errant vigil
mixed
atomic escarp
please let that not be the case
clear idol
huh
latent aspen
maiden kindle
f
vague raptor
@calm vessel fuck sun setting c:
calm vessel
lyric narwhal
so is the charger scout the only new enemy?
ok i just scrolled up a bit thats disappointing
jolly raven
Yes
lyric narwhal
: (
jolly raven
I am sure we might see new enemy in E1, who knows.
rain heron
its hinted there is going to be a extension
so maybe we will see much new staff in this rundown
stiff nymph
Does anyone have tips on B3? Me and two friends have been struggling pretty badly with it
fair hill
mines, mines, and more mines
atomic escarp
Use the pog repellers, have a bio because haha fog alarms, in extreme, kill giant chargers and hybrids ASAP
forest horizon
whats in C1 extreme
sick hornet
what is C2 extreme
C1 extreme is a class 10 terminal, mother in the zone, and shadows
atomic escarp
what is C2 extreme
hell
sick hornet
explain yourself
forest horizon
its basically R4B1 extreme but
sick hornet
oh no
forest horizon
with a mother for the last reactor alarm
tribal cosmos
Since no one answered me last time on C1, imma tell you guys a easier way to complete the mission.
have one guy stay on the bridge
period
other three do the rest
the guy on the bridge will block both respawn room
total of 15 hybrid
and when the terminal is done, you just run back when your teammates are at bridge
no hybrid will spawn, only some shadows and shadow giants
that is ofcourse if you are as bad as me
who can't do it the 'normal' way
as for the c2 overload, it is better to do it in a clockwise fashion
all teammate at once
tribal cosmos
bio scan in the period and shoot the chargers that get close
sick hornet
havent done extreme yet
tribal cosmos
extreme is not that hard, and there's no weird spawns after you do the reactor
overload is not that easy if you hasn't get the hang of it
i suggest do the overload first
just be careful at the last wave in extreme
a mother will spawn at the front
and she will most likely spawn babies
tribal cosmos
no weird shits whats so ever
but
it is not easy
it is as intense as r2e1 last 20 mins
because you are forced to kite in a fairly big room for about 3-4 mins
and no body can die
you can't kite the enemies to other room because they will respawn
best way is to focus on the chargers and walk around the room as a group
if they get too close, kill them, other wise herd them
i will say this one would get wayyy easier if there's burst cannon
sick hornet
how many waves is c2 ext
paper beacon
how many waves is c2 ext
6
sick hornet
thats not too bad
paper beacon
🙂
sick hornet
:)
paper beacon
they have surprises
sick hornet
do they have dn?
quiet stone
Have yours dropped yet?
rocky marsh
Bro B3 E
Is cooked ay
Anyone have a good strat for that terminal command?
Like guns/tools/setup
twilit jewel
okay
here it is
What do you guys think about refining RE-SPAWNING SYSTEM to be ACTIVE not PASSIVE.
IM GONNA SAY IT
What do you guys think about refining RE-SPAWNING SYSTEM to be ACTIVE not PASSIVE?
paper beacon
Anyone have a good strat for that terminal command?
kill the giant chargers first and then hybrids
you can ignore the tank
twilit jewel
I was so happy to see them re spawn in action not like re spawn when we go away and come back 😦
rocky marsh
Oh yeh?
Sick
You reckon bio or cfoam instead?
I'm thinking 2 auto 1 mines
Not sure the last
rocky marsh
What do you guys think about refining RE-SPAWNING SYSTEM to be ACTIVE not PASSIV...
I actually don't mind respawn mechanic
paper beacon
mines are busted atm
rocky marsh
Teaches you to plan ahead
paper beacon
so with mines you could kill some
rocky marsh
Shit the first time but good second time onwards
rocky marsh
so with mines you could kill some
Sick mines GOAT
paper beacon
we runned bio sniper sentry auto and mines
paper beacon
np ^^
twilit jewel
I actually don't mind respawn mechanic
RESPAWN IS GOOD but I don't like that there is no animation of how they are respawning
I don't want them to just POOF here we are
I wanted to see them falling from ceiling and start attacking us when there is error alarm 😦
I WANT THE ANIMATION !!!! 🙂 hahahaha
asking for too much stuff
rocky marsh
Yeh I feel like it's just a WIP (work in progress)
Just give them time to fix it
And gtfo is supposed to be fucked and difficult
I welcome a new challenge
Its hard for newbies
But it ain't too bad
They even added scouts in high for A1
paper beacon
You just need to play arround it
but it's a bit bullshit in some maps depending of the rng
especially d1 ex
peak cobalt
is there any reason to use the sniper or burst sentry
hoary garden
so whats the meta for mothers now that BC is gone?
hoary garden
makes sense
dark bane
how to silent kill the new enemy? wiki says multiple hits to the back at the same time but other people just said one hit to the back of head
pliant shard
New enemy you need 2 full charge hammers@to the back
half dune
how to beat B3 :/
pliant shard
Sniper / Shotgun, CS and revo spam can also kill the new enemy
paper beacon
how to beat B3 :/
what are you strugling on?
half dune
maybe we just suck, we're getting farther and farther though. what is a Class M III alarm?
half dune
I don't have the ammo for that
rocky marsh
(lol jks it's a Mixed scan so combo of cluster / surge / team)
Bulkead for B3 is down a ladder in piss fog
Right in front of the high bulkhead
half dune
yep one of our guys is down there rn
mellow creek
Anyone have a good strat for that terminal command?
ez just sentry and mine the ||hybrid door (right) focus killing the left door and u are left with the easy(mid)||
clever flower
What did yall run for B3 3 blooddoor?
mellow creek
bio 2 auto mines
3x helrifle 1x machinegun
should have more than enough ammo and mines for both left and right
just put all ur sentries and mines on the right door w || hybrids|| and aim towards the left door w ||bigchargers||
woeful vector
||Wtf is with the error alarm spam already on B tier||
calm vessel
lusty vault
anyone know the c2 overload?
calm vessel
yes
mellow creek
run and shoot blackies xD
calm vessel
I do not like that condition
You should star with that consumable
Spawn plus and extra buff to the item in game
nocturne flax
NOT EVEN
ONCE
calm vessel
And your team can nab them too
Or it’s a dark map and you use them for their actual purpose
Gosh this company reeee
eager ice
ples no
calm vessel
nah jk. but yea the consumable boosters need something more
shell reef
*I've been seeing tons of glowsticks
lusty vault
so its essentially b3 extreme
shell reef
C1 has literal fucktons of glowsticks
abstract venture
Can you melee a charger scout?
atomic escarp
Yeah 2 melee in the back.
regal thicket
inb4 glowsticks spawn decreases when you have a boost associating with it
abstract ruin
idk if this is the right chat but has anyone else came across some black boxes in A2 in the room with the 2 blood doors and the scout?
atomic escarp
Thats good lol. Less glow sticks = more useful stuffs xD
turbid cliff
idk if this is the right chat but has anyone else came across some black boxes i...
yes
abstract ruin
any idea of what they are?
stable owl
one question: which level will we meet the new enemy?
hexed vapor
Error alarms are annoying still, wish they had better ways of providing difficulty (although I like the one on B3).
Respawning enemies are a neat idea for forcing stealthier play on ||C1||, but the error alarm later just means one player spends a huge amount of time AFK to avoid an incredibly difficult fight. Not cool, really annoying like this in a lot of the places it's used and interferes with an objective.
errant vigil
you could also not spawn block and coordinate with the team to clear the room
hexed vapor
Considerably easier to spawn block.
errant vigil
sadly
shell reef
Dont minimize risks in a game about minimizing risks?
errant vigil
not making the terminals require team scans
turbid cliff
join the "rework/update respawn system" club in #gtfo-game-suggestions kekw
hexed vapor
Same goes for A2, you need to worry about keeping someone in bridge.
errant vigil
what really
I just put a sniper on the bridge and fight what comes in then do overload
hexed vapor
Well yeah, it's A2, but it's pretty fucking annoying.
errant vigil
oh I know
pine sapphire
Guys is HSU on B1 always in the furthest room? Is there any reason to run for terminal and ping it?
shell reef
otherwise that ||pseudo error pulls the whole room each time||
hexed vapor
Not to mention simply going into the overload as a team or cargo room as a team is enough to respawn.
Doesn't really feel thought out.
shell reef
yeah tbh they either need to extend the distance for the respawn blocking or rework it entirely
errant vigil
there's other ways to get rid of spawn blocking meta
shell reef
the issue isnt spawn blocking: the issue is that respawn punishes you if everyone in the group is having fun. I like the respawn mechanic as an idea but as is it has some major flaws.
hexed vapor
It's also not very interesting most of the time.
How many times do I have to kill the C2 scout to prove it's not a threat?
turbid cliff
it is kinda funny from the practice/testing aspect though
hexed vapor
I think C1 had the right idea, I like sneaking through a central chamber, but I'd much rather not be forced to either fight those rooms or spawn block.
hexed vapor
it is kinda funny from the practice/testing aspect though
It was pretty amusing to announce every 20 seconds that I had killed the scout.
tbf
turbid cliff
did the character actually do that every time?
hexed vapor
I did it in comms, but I got the voice line surprisingly often.
turbid cliff
ah
hexed vapor
Depended on if they said "Shhh, scout" first
turbid cliff
i just imagine someone being left afk to "block" a scout zone from respawning and the 3 other team members just hear "i killed the scout" on a loop
but yeah
i'll be repeating myself several times now but the respawn mechanic just doesn't feel "done"
it's like a feature in early access
errant vigil
I guess it's really just the weaker re-spawn rooms that are annoying but later level re-spawn rooms are pretty fun to me
and add a lot of tension to the run
hexed vapor
C1 was fun until error alarm, then it was dumb. I don't consider fighting 8 hybrids tension, that's just a long time spent peaking from cover.
errant vigil
fast stealthing the rooms is fun
hexed vapor
Having a birther in extreme is also pretty dumb, error alarms are already an RNG fest.
errant vigil
Quick sniper headshots are also fun
turbid cliff
i wonder what's the dev-intended way of doing those parts of levels
hexed vapor
Frankly, I don't think they thought about it that much.
errant vigil
I mean if they didn't think about them they'd be a lot worse
They only one I think is bad is the A1 extreme bulkhead area
cause it can be pulled into the scan
C1 extreme is done well
or rather C1 main
turbid cliff
ok but let's say they thought about it a lot
and what did they think the player should be doing
fighting the whole respawn every wave?
halcyon void
Does anyone know that the overload objective is for b2?
hexed vapor
Collect OSIPs in fog zones w/ extreme error alarm active.
halcyon void
ah so thats what the turbine was for ty
So there's no way to just do overload in b2 since the second bulkhead key is in the hub you unlock from doing extreme?
hexed vapor
Yes, and because overload is literally locked behind that door.
halcyon void
ty
hexed vapor
fast stealthing the rooms is fun
I enjoy fast stealth, but error alarms don't do that, stealth is often impossible and you usually have a 50% chance of some random room nearby alerting.
Reactors and fog mechanics are the only real fast stealth in this game.
And error alarms w/ long breaks.
errant vigil
The only problem with errors for most people are that they can spawn in unexplored zones and subzones
I don't mind that as much as most people
Coming up quickly with a fast way to deal with the alerted room with my team is fun to me
Fixed mines make it a lot more manageable
hexed vapor
Almost all of the difficult content in R4 and R5 has been error alarms, it gets really old.
errant vigil
I mean it's really only difficult until you grasp the concept of them
same with alarms and first time stealthing
turbid cliff
everything is only difficult until you get good enough to deal with it
you're looking at it from the wrong pov
look at the level design and the intended "hard" parts
error alarms are somehow extremely common there
wary coral
I'm thinking about what to say 😔
hexed vapor
I agree it's not very hard, it's just really fucking annoying, and it's pretty uninspired that they're spammed everywhere because I guess GTFO has nothing else to offer anymore.
wary coral
So whats the actual way to play this game. I don't think I'm on the right page here.
errant vigil
I mean that can be applied to everything else in the game then. Alarms, term uplinks, reactors, etc.
More of the same, all uninspired.
maybe I'm just think of it wrong or different
turbid cliff
that's what you get with the rundown concept
hexed vapor
Error alarms aren't inherently bad, using them for a huge portion of your difficult content is.
turbid cliff
it'd probably better to look at each rundown separately for this
in R4 what ray said was definitely true
in R5 i've barely played it so
hexed vapor
Error alarms are a significant feature of B1, B2, B3, and C1 at least in R5.
If C2 and D1 feature them as well, I'll be pretty upset.
errant vigil
Do you want me to tell you
lucid yoke
Error alarm with fog turbine makes me sad
errant vigil
They do not
turbid cliff
the standards lmao
errant vigil
isn't A2's error an extraction alarm or is that getting too technical
hexed vapor
It is going for the overload, but it didn't feel prevalent enough for me to mention it.
I don't really take issue w/ extraction alarms when you're just extracting, and the birther fight is fairly short.
craggy flame
It is the limitation of their system 🤷♂️ That is why I am not personally in favour of the booster system. I wish they would have dedicated their energy towards gameplay mechanics to avoid the overuse of Error Alarms.
hexed vapor
Yeah, I feel like the booster system has been a huge investment, probably comparable to layered difficulty.
craggy flame
It was and I think it will be beneficial in the long run.
turbid cliff
looks to be what got most work this rundown next to the new environment
at least from what we actually got now
and not what's behind the scenes
mossy yoke
the booster system though gives us a lot of information on being able to have a persistent inventory system which is needed for things like character and weapon customization
so by doing this for boosters, lets us get valuable info that we can apply for other system updates needed
craggy flame
Yeah, and that is an important step. Do not get me wrong here D0c.
mossy yoke
totally hear you more warden objectives, alarm types, ways to design levels is all wanted and needed, and we want those too as it is getting tough to make unique levels without reusing as much
we've got a lot more coders now than we've had before, which will help us be able to do more
errant vigil
Right now it's a good mixture of difficult stuff that's just not one thing spammed I feel
craggy flame
I think in comparison to R4 I like these Errors more atleast. The only ones who are really maybe a pain are C1 and B2
hexed vapor
I do like B3, I think it's a lot more fun to play around.
errant vigil
There's S1s, errors, high alarms, high terminal uplinks
hexed vapor
Generally, shorter wave timers are considerably less fun.
turbid cliff
think the point was how common they were not the individual quality of each one
unless i'm missing something
errant vigil
and a wide variety of enemies
yea you right
Errors were pretty often spammed in R4
not pretty, very often
turbid cliff
indeed
but this time we have 4? error alarms for 8? levels
seems to still be too common to me
craggy flame
1 is really short though and I like Big Chargers so fun and B3 has a long time in between the waves. But I get what you mean
errant vigil
The only levels that truly have errors below C are B2 and B3
hexed vapor
B1 and B3 at the very least you can shut off and have gimmicks to them, B2 and C1 are just stupid.
obsidian wagon
in r4 big chargers were a d tier enemy. in this rundown they put them in B1 as a error alarm that goes with a rng based objective
errant vigil
I won't disagree it does feel very unnewbie friendly this rundown
obsidian wagon
theres no way a new group of players to the game is doing PE of A2
wary coral
definitely not newbie friendly imo 👀
hexed vapor
This rundown is quite difficult in general on B tier.
obsidian wagon
I think this rundown really emphasizes the fact that you should do all the hard objs first, then extreme, then overload. All in seperate missions
errant vigil
yea that's how I'd like the system to be but then it would be restrictive to older players that know more
Seems like a hard thing to balance
obsidian wagon
Can someone tell me why half of the weapons are useless
mossy yoke
personal preference of choice?
errant vigil
uh i'd rather not be rude
obsidian wagon
where is the machine pistol the best option in a any scenario
craggy flame
R4 was spoiled with 2 great weapons I guess^^
mellow creek
but we have to agree mines are great now
errant vigil
a little too great
craggy flame
mines are awesome
mellow creek
wonderful
errant vigil
glad they nerfed them a little after the fix
mossy yoke
i'm glad we were able to fix mines 🙂
mellow creek
magic mines
hexed vapor
What was the new Arbalest damage value? Used to be 5 (10 FF), I believe it's a bit less now?
wary coral
Can someone tell me why half of the weapons are useless
probably cuz the maps end up being cramped, enemies are sometimes difficult to tell if they're actually dead, and also that players aren't aimbotters so its inefficient if you're just getting body/limb shots all the time
hexed vapor
Sniper sentry is basically R1 shotgun sentry w/ targeting drawbacks.
It's kinda nutty.
mossy yoke
nutty good or nutty bad?
errant vigil
Nutty bad 
hexed vapor
Have it accidentally do 4x damage in a full team.
errant vigil
the overkill christ
wary coral
feature? It wasn't a bug? 👀
errant vigil
all bugs are features
errant vigil
I enjoy the giant striker ladder feature on floodways 😍
mossy yoke
we're improving that features soon
turbid cliff
mines are "fixed" now i.e. in the intended state?
errant vigil
probably, which is great
turbid cliff
i'm not one to use the word "op" but
errant vigil
but also a bit too great
mossy yoke
intended state meaning how much damage they do?
errant vigil
I think he means that they do damage to all enemies
turbid cliff
haven't tested but i feel the "how much damage they do" is misleading
it's more
how many enemies they hit
errant vigil
instead of stopping halfway through
mossy yoke
there was a bug that they wouldn't do as much damage to as many enemies as they should, so we fixed that
errant vigil
oh nice thought it was something else
mossy yoke
I don't do balancing myself so I can't exactly speak for that, but in a way, balancing never ends.
turbid cliff
the damage dealt to one specific enemy hit is not what was changed though is what i mean
hexed vapor
Mines seem alright to me, but that's also because sentries are incredibly dominant this rundown.
turbid cliff
i guess i have once again not played almost at all in R5 but the one attempt i did a single mine got 2-3x the kills it used to get
it was around 5 usually for a mine
hexed vapor
Oh yeah, everything that breaks down a door dies.
turbid cliff
now it blows up the entire door
mossy yoke
i think we ended up putting in fixes for like every tool.
- sentries accuracy
- biotracker tags and taking ammo
- cfoam w/ doors
- mines
turbid cliff
true
errant vigil
very needed good stuff
turbid cliff
gonna have to see how much sentry aim changes their efficiency
errant vigil
tools being more consistent is amazing
silk dawn
heyo, i cant find the power cell on a1, any clues? terminal says 62d but i looked everywhere in it and its not there
mossy yoke
Did you try pinging it?
turbid cliff
ping shows a marker on HUD
mossy yoke
try doing ping cell_123 -t (or whatever the number is) and while you're in the terminal letting it ping, have another teammate go in there and search
wary coral
Ping it, Look at the direction of the Cell, and open up the minimap to draw a line towards that direction to get a basic gist of where it can be
glass ermine
Also listen out for the sound of the cell itself, you can hear it hum (for lack of a better word) when you're nearby
turbid cliff
when ambience doesn't decide to go insane that is
silk dawn
trying the -t thing now
silk dawn
Also listen out for the sound of the cell itself, you can hear it hum (for lack ...
well try that too, thamkq
glass ermine
:)
wary coral
wait what is that -t thing supposed to do. Never seen or heard of that
turbid cliff
it's new in R5
mossy yoke
it does repeating pings
turbid cliff
keeps pinging if you sit in the terminal
silk dawn
thats sick
turbid cliff
still gotta stand afk on it tho
silk dawn
it stopped once they found it
wary coral
... does the terminal help/command info ever mention it cuz I can't believe I'm that blind
turbid cliff
it does now
mossy yoke
it does
wary coral
Yeah I'm just blind then
mossy yoke
🙈
glass ermine
And the autocomplete tab stuff works on more things now, which is so nice ;w;
wary coral
I'm deeply triggered by the auto complete tab not adding the _
some of the stuff does get the _ at the end but then some of the other stuff don't
abstract venture
Is the dmr better or the double tap?
errant vigil
double tap for fast killing I think
Dmr is better for efficiency tho
and works better with a team
you have to be pretty accurate with both to make them work well
orchid storm
Is there a "when in doubt, take this" sentry? I normally default to the burst since I've been duoing levels.
turbid cliff
i don't think there is cause they're all situational
what do you want the sentry to do
orchid storm
Normally I use it to hold a door longer. But obviously with so many Error Alarms, I'm wondering if the auto would be better to stagger things or if the sentry will just outright kill easier.
turbid cliff
hold a door longer i.e.?
wary coral
Stalling seems essential imo. Most of the casual teams I'm in just crumble in extended fights if a few enemies slip through especially when we're all at 20% hp
orchid storm
Like putting the turret outside the door so that as enemies started hitting it, they would be killed or at least staggered once or twice.
turbid cliff
as i thought
errant vigil
Permafoaming is a very effective and very easy way to do most non Sustain alarms
turbid cliff
well that's a complete waste
it doesn't matter how many enemies are on a door, it breaks at the same rate
wary coral
I generally prefer auto sentry since it helps the team maintain holding positions otherwise I'd go with Burst Sentry if we're just going to kite the entire time
odd zodiac
Fun note: Even if an enemy is C-Foamed in front of a door it still applies the door break timer
tribal cosmos
yea... basically it's like a control point system at the door
this is why ranged can break the door as well
turbid cliff
so yeah as was said that's not an effective way to use sentries
if you want to delay on doors use foam
if you want to kill when they break the door just place one mine on it lmao
tribal cosmos
exactly
wary coral
but what if there's no door 👀
tribal cosmos
we usually just constant c-foam the door when possible
turbid cliff
but what if there's no door 👀
haha guns go brrr
but srsly that's sentries
we're not trying to cover all situations here
the very first thing i said was situational
odd zodiac
but what if there's no door 👀
Then you hope your bunnybonking skills are up to scratch
wary coral
I'm still working on it 😔
orchid storm
So, if you are doing a long set of scans, what's the ideal location for a sentry?
errant vigil
If you putting it behind the door angle it so that when it breaks it shoots where they’d probably path
And if you put it in front just do it the same way but maybe a bit further from the door
fallen badger
does anyone actually take the revolver, or is everything else just a better choice
turbid cliff
new rundown new shit, revolver basically unchanged except ammo nerf
it's not bad, it's just not exciting
modest aspen
Machine Pistole Gang,
errant vigil
Revo isn’t the greatest rn
There’s a lot of bigs and chargers that it can’t deal with very well on casual use
If you start to use it a lot tho it becomes pretty good for most things, as you get used to it
turbid cliff
you can have both
errant vigil
You could potentially have a pseudo burst cannon with special buffs to revo
If it can get up that high
pulsar zodiac
stacking special dmg with hel rifle should worth more
pulsar zodiac
true
errant vigil
Like I said revo is great it just gets outshined by a lot of things
pulsar zodiac
I've been thinking of special dmg combat shotgun
errant vigil
I still think is would be spread dependent to one shot but would make it more consistent
pulsar zodiac
yea
turbid cliff
bug-dependent*
pulsar zodiac
maybe it could become mom/father shredder if stack high enough
turbid cliff
the damage falloff wouldn't change so you'd still have to be up their asses though
pulsar zodiac
only work on something like C2 sleeping tank
quaint gate
any tips on b1?
pulsar zodiac
maybe it could become mom/father shredder if stack high enough
tank need to be asleep with that
quaint gate
||we opened the alarm// thing and the wave never stopped, what do we have to do here?||
pulsar zodiac
this the first problem I think
errant vigil
Nah
pulsar zodiac
||we opened the alarm// thing and the wave never stopped, what do we have to do ...
find the hsu inside the zone
you can query the hsu number before going in
errant vigil
If you know how to play around tank AI you can shit on him with shotgun and CS
quaint gate
find the hsu inside the zone
ok thanks
pulsar zodiac
but rn all the boosters I been getting
does not contain special dmg
or main dmg with bad condition
jolly imp
ive stacked like 50-70% on main weapon for the lols and turned the double tap into a knock off brustcannon
quaint gate
If you know how to play around tank AI you can shit on him with shotgun and CS
combat shotgun or normal one?
quaint gate
ah sorry didnt know what cs stood for
errant vigil
You’re fine
For the error on b1 hel gun/rifle will help if you can line up the big chargers
But finding the hsu as fast as you can will work best
lapis loom
do shadow scouts show up anywhere in this rundown
quaint gate
thank you , we are on the door again , pray for us
pliant shard
Good luck you got this!
pliant shard
do shadow scouts show up anywhere in this rundown
Yes. C2 main 100% not sure about d1 yet
lapis loom
hell yes
quaint gate
Good luck you got this!
we found it but a friend got downed and we werent sure if we could extract without him 😦 ( gameover)
pliant shard
Nuuu. The HSU has a team scan bio scan so he would need to be there to finish but you can do extraction scan without everyone
But hey step by step!
quaint gate
we are going to scout the other B missions until the booster heat rises up again. thanks for the help!
fallen badger
b2 is easier
pliant shard
Anytime. Good luck!
pine sapphire
Guys is HSU on B1 always in the furthest room? Is there any reason to run for te...
Can anybody help?
honest mortar
What is the order for B2 PE?
mellow creek
guys i think there is a morse code again w the door banging in A1 first alarm door
i should be wrong but could have swore i heard the sound everytime i enter that zone
hoary garden
Can anybody help?
not always furthest room
been to zone 96 once, was in zone g (furthest room)
been to the other zone once and it was in the middle
so it's worth it to ping
pulsar zodiac
What is the order for B2 PE?
extreme>overload>high
desert shell
what's B3 extreme objective?
craggy flame
put in a command in a terminal and do a scan.
desert shell
how bad's the scan
heavy plover
multiple wave scan?
heady arch
Just unlocked "C" anyone wanna tell me what I'm in for?
heady arch
Worse than D2/E1 from R4??
atomic escarp
In every way possible
honest mortar
extreme>overload>high
Thanks! We finally used our brains and got the PE first try.
amber prism
is it normal that enemy's spawn back in area's i have already been?
rancid basalt
the dingleberries on the ceiling mean enemies respawn in that room
median bane
is it normal that enemy's spawn back in area's i have already been?
yes, rooms with cocoons in them respawn enemys if you are not in it for a bit
amber prism
Okay thanks, good to know
thick burrow
fuck these boosters 
turbid cliff
These discord server boosters?
mossy yoke
what don't you like about it and why?
blazing thicket
I think they are pretty cool...
honest mortar
I'm fine with boosters as long as they just stay a fun bonus and not a required to win grindfest. So far they don't seem to be a requirement for survival. (Saying this while working on C2PE)
I just don't want D1 (or the eventual E1) lobbies to turn into a "use this perk or kick" lobby situation
mossy yoke
neither do we 🙂
blazing thicket
Yeah the only one I can think of the might actually need tuning is the Regen cap increase
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honest mortar
As someone who usually "one and done"s a rundown, this might keep the fun up enough for me to keep replaying levels until the progression system is added later on.
thick burrow
what don't you like about it and why?
I feel like it’s going to turn into a “grind this level for boosters so you can continue clearing the rundown”. Some levels are already heavily rng dependent, so adding boosters just makes it even worse.
atomic escarp
True
thick burrow
Some boosters are just totally broken, to the point where the game doesn’t even feel “natural” anymore.
atomic escarp
I got a aggresive booster that grants 50% extra melee damage
thick burrow
I’m taking c2 for example and the glowsticks boosters, 35% speedscan?
mossy yoke
like which boosters do you think should be adjusted and how?
thick burrow
Definitely the aggressive boosters that need to be toned down a bit, same goes for the bioscans ones
mossy yoke
all of the levels can be beaten without boosters, we don't want to make them required to complete anything, but are an extra help if you want or need them
thick burrow
You can either make them drop more frequently or nerf them
atomic escarp
matter of fact is that we are still 5 days into the update and jumping onto conclusions
thick burrow
all of the levels can be beaten without boosters, we don't want to make them req...
That’s where the rng factor kicks in, they can only help you out if you’re lucky enough to find the right ones
turbid cliff
if the game is balanced around not having boosters, why is it an issue not to have any or the right ones
it can be an issue to have op ones
queen storm
imo, if a booster gives something overpowered, it should always have some sort of downside. This way they can be more of a sidegrade rather than a straight upgrade.
turbid cliff
but say you get that 35% bioscan speed which you think is op
for a team scan that's only 1/4th of the 35% tho
atomic escarp
true
thick burrow
Do boosters from your teammate overlap each other or stack up?
honest mortar
If the levels are balanced around no boosters, then it shouldn't really matter which ones you get. If you aren't ready for a level, then go play the others and get some experience / pick up a few boosters at the same time.
atomic escarp
my scan speed modifier required me to have the hacking tool out
turbid cliff
afaik all boosters only affect the player who has them
atomic escarp
xd
calm vessel
what are the chances your entire team will have 35% bio scan speed
turbid cliff
LF3M bioscan 35% only
blazing thicket
Make all of the powerful aggressives have downsides instead of just conditions
thick burrow
2/4 can definitely have them
thick burrow
Make all of the powerful aggressives have downsides instead of just conditions
Exactly
lyric narwhal
i feel like its best not to think about the grind and just pick up artifacts and if you happen to get a good booster its just nice to have
turbid cliff
that's the opinion i got as well
but also with limited use things and me, usually there's only one outcome
i never use them unless i have a stack of over 99 (or 999)
thick burrow
They do deserve a nerf
blazing thicket
i feel like its best not to think about the grind and just pick up artifacts and...
Yeah that's how I'm playing it rn and I'm enjoying it a lot
thick burrow
They can be a really nice addition to the game, but with the way they are now it’s going to turn into a booster hunt for the future
turbid cliff
you don't know that
granite scarab
treasure hunting 😩
lyric narwhal
honestly either dont use them or just play the levels normally until you get good ones to use
granite scarab
thick burrow
to beat D1
just thinking about c2 overload
the scan can be done before third tank even spawns in
blazing thicket
As long as the boosters aren't op enough to make people ask for them in lfg, then I don't think people will hunt for boosters if they don't want to and if they do want to then that's fun for them so
granite scarab
if you dont want the scan to be done before the third tank spawns dont use a booster?
lyric narwhal
resources efficiency and rev speed are pretty busted tho
blazing thicket
Like I said before the only one I think will need some nerfing is the Regen to somewhere around 50 hp one
calm vessel
oh wow
thick burrow
2 hits of ammo put you at 100% pretty much
calm vessel
damn im really missing out on that third tank
honest mortar
In all honesty though, the release containment scans are my new favorite thing from this rundown. 😛
atomic escarp
its like doom
granite scarab
blazing thicket
Yes
thick burrow
damn im really missing out on that third tank
?
blazing thicket
I loved it so much
atomic escarp
except there isnt much ammo to go by
thick burrow
There’s plenty of ammo
Just don’t shoot the same enemy with three of your teammates
Requires coordination which makes the level fun
atomic escarp
truth in that
honest mortar
I honestly wish that there was an easier one to access, just so that I could go play those sections easier.
thick burrow
In all honesty though, the release containment scans are my new favorite thing f...
what’d you mean?
calm vessel
do you also know how 30% works?
honest mortar
I wouldnt want to spoil it if you haven't done one.
calm vessel
30% supply doesnt add another 30%
honest mortar
looking up how to do spoiler tags. 😛
calm vessel
thick burrow
do you also know how 30% works?
honest mortar
||The entire room is a surge scan with tons of enemies and tanks. Its a run and gun section.||
thick burrow
I wouldnt want to spoil it if you haven't done one.
I probably have but didn’t catch it yet, where does it appear?
honest mortar
B3 extreme, C2 overload
honest mortar
Dunno about d1 yet, still working through the PE on C2
thick burrow
haven’t gotten the extreme part yet
lyric narwhal
ive heard c2PE is harder?
tiny dome
C2PE is the worst run of this
atomic escarp
in B3 ext the amount of enemies that spawn is what you get
lyric narwhal
yeah my team got to overload yesterday it was really cool
atomic escarp
C2 overload is where enemies keep on spawning
thick burrow
yeah
honest mortar
Trying to do them mostly in order, its only like day 3 of the rundown. No need to rush it.
atomic escarp
hence the door in every room
thick burrow
Trying to do them mostly in order, its only like day 3 of the rundown. No need t...
yoo u should check the log in d1 if you get there 
pretty interesting stuff
honest mortar
Near the beginning or would I need a group to go check it?
honest mortar
Time to get good then. 😛
thick burrow
Goodluck man 
tropic raptor
yoo u should check the log in d1 if you get there <a:eyesshaking:704442659883712...
you mean the super secret, epic log of D1 lockdown zone?
hidden tangle
What happens when you enter Resist in the terminal that Schaeffer is talking about in the C2 audio log?
thick burrow
you mean the super secret, epic log of D1 lockdown zone?
I am talking about the super secret epic log of d1 lockdown zone that you got your hands on
thick burrow
What happens when you enter Resist in the terminal that Schaeffer is talking abo...
Wait for the extended version or r6
fierce laurel
blazing thicket
Even even deeper
tropic raptor
I am talking about the super secret epic log of d1 lockdown zone that you got yo...
that one is pretty epic. loved the screams of my downed teammates ^^
thick burrow
that one is pretty epic. loved the screams of my downed teammates ^^
Bruh couldn’t be me 
thick burrow
Even even deeper
Extremely deep
subtle vault
Even Deeper than E1
thick burrow
X1
thick burrow
thats deep
blazing thicket
Extremely deep
Overload deeper
thick burrow
just add a staircase in d1 that goes below 1100 meter bruh
atomic escarp
R4E1 came pretty close to 1100 meters
thick burrow
bruh how do their bodies not explode from the pressure down there
pulsar zodiac
what is the alarm in D1 called
atomic escarp
hell
opal narwhal
bruh how do their bodies not explode from the pressure down there
air pressure is not that much of a problem
opal narwhal
okay 😄
thick burrow
what is the alarm in D1 called
Which one?
turbid cliff
always have
thick burrow
that one with multiple S1
It’s a BC scan
pulsar zodiac
okay thanks