it looked like it some shots were single fire
#gtfo-spoiler-chat
twilit remnant
turbid cliff
according to top right none were
twilit remnant
huh
obtuse surge
it has no charge
twilit remnant
rip
obtuse surge
so it actually wouldn't be that hard
twilit remnant
yes it would
dreamy bramble
may as well dmr at that point
twilit remnant
you have barely any time to cancel
turbid cliff
i think it would just because your macro has latency
and client business could mess with you too much to make it possible
twilit remnant
you have what.... .4ms? ish befor ethe second bullet flies?
turbid cliff
.4ms kekw
twilit remnant
alkhgjag
obtuse surge
weapon probably won't be good enough anyway
twilit remnant
from the looks of the video is really fucking fast
turbid cliff
it'll be a more damage efficient DMR
obtuse surge
turbid cliff
in trade for all the kill potential
twilit remnant
yes but less bullet efficent
robust marsh
it'll be a more damage efficient DMR
i mean thats good
twilit remnant
so you end up wasting more rounds per sleeper
i hope the hel has its pen capabilities
robust marsh
i think it can get some tweaks on damage and mag size
turbid cliff
i mean definitely does
robust marsh
everything else is ok with me
turbid cliff
R3 hel gun didn't have good kill efficiency nor damage efficiency without penetration
dreamy bramble
if the double tap rifle has high precision damage it might be a fairly good primary weapon on mothers/tanks?
that's about the only use case i see
turbid cliff
would be a first to have a damage-dedicated weapon on primary
dreamy bramble
i wouldn't mind a bit of diversity there
turbid cliff
i mean yeah but
twilit remnant
what are yall thoughts on the AP and if itll return
turbid cliff
how likely is that
dreamy bramble
guess we'll find out in a few eeks
twilit remnant
AP is good
turbid cliff
weeks
optimist
turbid cliff
5-7 weeks i'd say
robust marsh
i love the AP
AP also loves you
it loves you so much that it wants to go in your heart
dreamy bramble
5-7 weeks and i lose all hope in the future of this game lol
twilit remnant
shut up ur weird
turbid cliff
hey if it comes with quality fixes i'm all for it taking long
leaks aren't gonna demonstrate that tho
dreamy bramble
i'd imagine it's in final testing by now if they're comfortable enough to show some footage
kindred mortar
i have some hope
If the roadmap is soon updated, then I think it makes sense to hope, but not yet
dreamy bramble
roadmap never gets updated :)
turbid cliff
more like the beginning of "final" testing
i already see some bugs not fixed in that leak though
dreamy bramble
which ones?
turbid cliff
first one that caught my attention was one crawler not getting staggered on head destruction
also the fact that 2nd shot of burst dmr misses head entirely basically means there's still no grace period on limb destruction hitboxes
doesn't mean it's not fixed but not hopeful for shotguns
dreamy bramble
fair enough
turbid cliff
and also
reviewed and just noticed 1 body 1 head doesn't kill on burst dmr
at 0:04 you can clearly see a headshot and a bodyshot hitmarker
obtuse surge
which then probably leaves them with little health
sand beacon
Like doc said, it’s pre balancing
obtuse surge
so it's just a worse dmr that requires you to aim from head to body unless it gets changed
turbid cliff
another bug, an occiput kill from behind didn't give kill marker
really wish they'd fix that already
also implies limb destruction from behind isn't fixed either
dreamy bramble
the hit marker thing has been there for so long i've just grown used to it
turbid cliff
since R1 yeah
sand beacon
Is it really a bug if it’s been in the game that long :P
obtuse surge
client hitmarkers 
turbid cliff
i never play client so idk what the bugs there are kekw
obtuse surge
it pretty much never shows kill hitmarkers
and doesn't have hitmarkers for sentries either
dreamy bramble
you basically only get hitmarkers on hammer kills as client
though maybe it's cause i end up on na so often so i get stuck with all the worst of the client experience
turbid cliff
hit markers or kill markers?
dreamy bramble
kill
you still get red hitmarkers most of the time
just not the yellow kill ones
turbid cliff
funny thing is i already know where the problem for that one might be
or have a guess is better phrasing
it's clearly based on damage as we already know, and doesn't take back damage multiplier into account
most often in games all the health stuff is handled server-side, in our case on host
very possible client just doesn't have accurate hp values of enemies
i think i've seen this exact thing before somewhere
deep jay
I can't believe doc exports videos at 30.031454 fps 
turbid cliff
have some tests in mind for that but that needs actual clients
turbid cliff
I can't believe doc exports videos at 30.031454 fps <:AussieHands:53759206283332...
it's so i couldn't view frame-by-frame and get accurate fire rate on burst dmr
dreamy bramble
also, is the room the reactor room of b1ext?
turbid cliff
looks like it
dreamy bramble
guess doc just really loves those tiles
got 2 consecutive rooms from that reactor in back to back leaks
hoary garden
double tap burst cancel when
turbid cliff
i can't tell if the music is different or not
looks like no but at the same time i don't recognize all of it
also music drama state at bottom center 🤔
kindred mortar
i can't tell if the music is different or not
like the same as now
forest horizon
Inb4 "GTFO has stealth weapons now???"
glass sierra
guess doc just really loves those tiles
look all i’m saying is that doc has good taste
forest horizon
Would be nice if they showed the new environment, but it doesn't really matter
livid stone
the first leak was deleted
plucky summit
hmm , nice new leak
livid stone
glass spade
haha yeah
queen field
😳
rigid hull
Since in this leak the version is 0.77 I THINK it confirms that rundown 6 is release, what do you think?
queen field
did doc want to hide the aimbot 😔
rigid hull
also that icon under consumables is interesting
livid stone
they also said that full release would come in 2021, but at this rate it might be 2022
twilit remnant
shut the fuck up
rigid hull
maybe Christmas 2021?
sick hornet
2077 release year
rigid hull
that's a good QOL, so we can stop light disco before opening doors
livid stone
honestly i wish they were more upfront about the development progress, but oh well
sick hornet
Anyone see what was typed in leaks about 2 hours ago and is now deleted?
twilit remnant
hoenstly i wish people stopped complaining or we'll just get another CP2077 release
livid stone
same leak just longer
sick hornet
Dang
livid stone
Nice
rigid hull
hoenstly i wish people stopped complaining or we'll just get another CP2077 rele...
it's mostly people in the steam forum complaining, here people are more chill... at least in chat
queen field
** s a m e **
livid stone
Nyx imma complain, I'm complaining about the lack of information we're being given and how much we're actually in the dark, if we were actually given at least somewhat consistent updates on how the development is going, i wouldn't say a damm thing
twilit remnant
i mean id rather we be left in the dark than us inevitably pushing 10c to prematurely releasing the game
forest horizon
Only thing that legitimately worries me is the lack of roadmap updates
rigid hull
in CP2077 it was the publisher's fault in making false expectations on release date tho, I doubt 10C feel rushed by some angry boys
livid stone
i respect that you're fine with being in the dark, but I'm not at all and want more information on how the development of my favourite game is going
the roadmap is basically a joke at this point tbh
if it's delayed then it'll be delayed, i just wanna know why
mossy yoke
i respect that you're fine with being in the dark, but I'm not at all and want m...
We hear you and are working on that. We're growing our marketing department such as including someone dedicated to CM and the team will be responsible for providing better updates all around, the roadmap, talking to you guys about stuff, development updates, more consistent content teases, etc
livid stone
Warden i will throw a monkey wrench at you
west crow
Aren't you supposed to be that person? I thought you were hired strictly for CM.
atomic escarp
After reading d0c's message I immediately saw "did you kite tho" beep typing
livid stone
thank you Doc, I'm happy with this
nahh, Doc has a lot more work
idk what, but he talked about his team doing things before and some kind of blaming
mossy yoke
Aren't you supposed to be that person? I thought you were hired strictly for CM.
I'm mostly a Delivery Engineer, and also a CM, but you guys deserve a dedicated CM
livid stone
dedicate Doc as CM
I'll still make fun of roadmap updates until it happens tho, it's just funny
mossy yoke
Delivery Engineer is basically QA work itself (hunting for bugs, etc), coordinating with our QA team, our bug hunters, our developers to get stuff fixed, coordinating patch notes and releases to the various audiences, managing our build processes, etc.
glass sierra
ludvig 2: now with doggo
livid stone
sounds about right kek
sounds like a lot of things you need to do
no wonder you used to pull 10 hour work days or something
west crow
So you're saying that the lack of transparency in development is solely due to the lack of a primary CM and not due to it always being a developer quirk.
glass sierra
i don’t think that’s what’s being said
however there’s definetly a shift that is being highlighted
pliant shard
Their company is growing and responsibilities are shifting. It takes time to establish who will do what specifically. We will get more communication in the future we just have to be patient
forest horizon
The only thing I'm curious about is what would actually change if we had a dedicated CM? Serious question.
mossy yoke
to solve your frustrations
forest horizon
What, like the roadmap or leaks?
mossy yoke
you've wanted more communication, better communication, more timely updates, etc.
forest horizon
I see
mossy yoke
As I mentioned, a team is being setup that would handle all of that, to deliver the communication that you guys deserve. I personally dislike the current state things are, we want to communicate more, it's a bit difficult to do as previously there wasn't as much communication that made it's way to someone to relay that you guys, first starting as simon and ludvig, them moving onto me, and we're doing better, not a lot and we're committed to really improving that for you guys
forest horizon
That would be much appreciated whenever it happens.
mossy yoke
It does take time to actually hire people, train them, setup processes for how information gets communicated, setup processes for planning things, handing off responsibilities to proper people. Like who should actually update the roadmap, etc.
turbid cliff
I don't think r6 should be full release
With the version pacing it could be but it'd be way better to have another rundown in early access during which they can focus solely on full launch
forest horizon
I kind of doubt it would be especially with extra features like weapon customization still quite a ways off
west crow
I'd rather wait and see how much content is actually added in r5
glass spade
As I mentioned, a team is being setup that would handle all of that, to deliver ...
will you still continue to work with the community once a dedicated CM is hired?
turbid cliff
I'd rather wait and see how much qol and bug fixing comes with it kekw
forest horizon
same
mortal granite
if we have a new mechanic
dreamy bramble
there is confirmed to be no character customization or progression in r5 iirc
mortal granite
R6 will definitely going to happen
west crow
That's the idea yeah
forest horizon
there is confirmed to be no character customization or progression in r5 iirc
No surprise there tbh
Wouldn't even expect it in R6 either tbh
dreamy bramble
all that would come in r6+, and that would be a lot of new featurs to debut alongside a full release
dreamy bramble
probably
mossy yoke
will you still continue to work with the community once a dedicated CM is hired?
I'll still be here in some capacity.
mortal granite
or full on skill and perk and shit
forest horizon
I feel like it'll be pretty low key
dreamy bramble
i think they've talked about how they want to avoid skill trees and linear progression
forest horizon
As little UI and extraneous elements as possible
mortal granite
with weapon customization, it will be a lot of work to put in balancing
west crow
God knows, but their issue isn't what content will eventually come out
turbid cliff
I'd expect the content/feature jump from ea last version and full release to be minor but i guess that depends on how much there will be in-between rundowns after full release
west crow
I'm assuming they'd need their rundown timer to actually work for a full release
turbid cliff
🤔
dreamy bramble
i'd prefer that all the new big features on the roadmap would be at least introduced in ea, and full release would be for polish and final touches
turbid cliff
Well that's functional there's just no dates in ea
west crow
Kinda?
turbid cliff
i'd prefer that all the new big features on the roadmap would be at least introd...
Same thing I'm saying basically
west crow
Besides hoping for R6, they really don't need r5 to be another r3 in terms of community
turbid cliff
I have no idea what that means
forest horizon
R3 was a stopgap but hopefully we don't get another one
west crow
Community retention, the active player base dropped considerably for those 4 months of rundown 3
dreamy bramble
hard to predict what the reception of r5 will be before it's even come out
turbid cliff
R3 wasn't particularly bad or anything, the community apparently just needed a reality check on the rundown concept
4 months was early access things tho kekw
west crow
I have no idea what that means
dreamy bramble
r3 wasn't bad in a vacuum, but it was just so lacking compared to r2 which was the biggest issue
forest horizon
^
dreamy bramble
plus r2 was only like 2.5 months lol they could have stretched that content for much longer
dreamy bramble
i feel like if r2 was maybe 3.5 months long and r3 was a month shorter in response it would have been more positively recieved
many people didn't even get a chance to beat the d-levels by the time the timer appeared
west crow
Stating that r3 was a reality check and is the supposed norm is giving it more credit than it deserves
turbid cliff
R3 wasn't a big jump or anything, it was just another rundown
that's exactly what i imagine rundowns past early access will be
west crow
Past early access sure, but why spend vital early access development time on "just another rundown"?
turbid cliff
as if we know what goes on behind the scenes
west crow
God no, but we can also criticize and give advice on the content they release
turbid cliff
think some points were missed here
back then R2-R3 didn't seem like it came too fast to me
it looked like some fine time had passed since R2 release
at that point for devs it was probably either R3 now or R3 after their own vacation
and they didn't want to stretch it
and i think i really do remember people looking forward to a new rundown for summer
don't remember all this "too fast" talk back then
west crow
Seemingly and comparatively would be the key thing there, wouldn't it?
turbid cliff
you mean in retrospect?
west crow
Right
turbid cliff
again, nothing to say here since we don't know what was going on
any number of reasons why R4 could've come way later than devs thought it would
west crow
If we're going to forgive the intervals between rundowns, and since we have no idea what development is done between those intervals, we can only take content at face value
turbid cliff
think i finally figured out where the misunderstanding is here
i believe you say in retrospect to future content scheduling
but what i say is the R2-R3 transition didn't look bad at the time
west crow
Of course not
If your issue is with rundown 2 nostalgists only now complaining about rundown intervals, sure
turbid cliff
and when it came out R3 it didn't look like it was a bad update or rundown or anything
west crow
That's where I differ, rundown 3 was an obvious attempt at making levels more approachable by newer and inexperienced players (before layers eventually came out). That being said, with the majority of levels being repurposed r2 and alpha level(s) , some done better, the content that was delivered was, in fact, "just another rundown". And when that's the case, you can't help but notice the gaps.
turbid cliff
is that ye olde popular statement that per-tier levels are easier in R3 than R2
as a whole yeah 1 D 0 E but that's just rundown reality, can't fault R3 for it
in terms of repurposing
well idk man
west crow
Right, I understand that
turbid cliff
they definitely were reused but with the lack of unique objectives, level layout, tiles n shit, all levels are to some extent remixes of each other
to which extent is it acceptable
west crow
But that begs the question, do they genuinely want player feedback?
turbid cliff
well wouldn't that be a funny thing to debate
everyone wants to give feedback and to be listened to, and looking at how much the game changed from R1 to R2 especially in terms of difficulty, it definitely was noticed
but when you think about it it's hard to decide who to listen to
in a competitive game you'd think about the highest tier of players, highest skill, while at the same time trying not to punish newbies
but in a game like this where veterans don't have crap to do until the very last levels if any
it's harder to say what feedback is good feedback
some pretty loud figures were pushing for difficulty over everything, as long as the player can deal with it with enough skill
which i'm against
west crow
Is that what the layered difficulty was supposedly for?
To approach both markets of players?
turbid cliff
it was what we thought it would be until they became not really optional
no idea where the sector design came from
west crow
Right, its delivery is very confusing
turbid cliff
speaking about pre-ext, as was said somewhere already it seems you were supposed to do A1 extreme before attempting B1 for example
meanwhile all this "optional difficulty for veterans" talk would make it seem you shouldn't do sectors until you're familiar with the game
livid stone
tbh i thought the optionals would be like an actual difficulty setting, like you'd need to do the same objective, but with added challanges like less rescources, darker areas, different enemy spawns etc
never even considered this
dreamy bramble
sectors are far more interesting than simple toggles for difficulty
turbid cliff
i don't know when we first were told that layered difficulty is actual in-game sectors with their own zones n shit
dreamy bramble
but they have to figure out how they want to balance them exactly
livid stone
i can only agree with that Mit
this is still a test deffo, so we can only watch how it changes
but yeah, deciding on who to listen to in a game like this is hard
turbid cliff
yeah but when they already made this, serious changes are obviously unlikely since the effort is already put in
livid stone
since theres no real indicator on who's advice can really benifite the devs
turbid cliff
that to me is one of 3 biggest reasons why there could be such a lack of communication
livid stone
id say if they were unhappy, theyd change it, or if the community didnt like it so much
turbid cliff
wanna make a poll on how many players would like changes to layered difficulty
kekw
livid stone
honestly the lack of communication is the biggest stake in the devs
dreamy bramble
there are a few interesting sectors in this rundown, but quite a few feel like they either should have just been part of the level anyways or feel completely detached
livid stone
well since they are different sectors, them feeling completely different does make sense
glass spade
that will probably get better once they expand their team and are able to make more objectives that would interact with the main level
livid stone
now you see, you hit the nail on the head
the key word is "interact with the level"
with this simple phrase, the optionals of B2 ext or C3 ext feel like good optionals
dreamy bramble
sectors feeling different isn't my issue, my issue is more with levels like b1 ext where it feels like they just slapped a half-complete expedition onto the side of another
glass spade
this is probably one of the most suggested changes so I'm sure we could expect things like that by 1.0
livid stone
but isnt that kinda the same thing? they slapped a level onto another and called one of them "optional"
if there is a problem with the optionals, this is it
dreamy bramble
i'd rather sectors be reserved exclusively for either a) an interesting challenge that forces you to change what you bring into the expedition or b) meaningfully changes the main path of the expedition
but that's just my opinion on it
livid stone
id agree with that
also, another thing would be that not all levels need to have optionals
like, that just feels wayyyy too over done imo
have like a third of the levels have optionals, that way they feel special
turbid cliff
this is probably one of the most suggested changes so I'm sure we could expect t...
no that'd be mask wiping
R2 every 5 minutes
as for the actual sector changes
again that's just the "expectation vs reality" thing
nobody thought they'd be fkn everywhere like this
or that they would not actually be optional
so where'd that idea come from in the first place
livid stone
from the devs lol
well, its definitely a work in progress, so we'll see how it changes
turbid cliff
but see, the "work already done" problem is there
biggest thing is it's tied to progression
basically making it super common and everything it brings super common as well, even if it does change things in the main level by a lot, it'll become stale fast
livid stone
if something is over used, itll definitely become stale
west crow
I'm honest enough to admit that I personally don't even know what level tiers mean. Let alone what sectors are supposed to add.
forest horizon
imagine if instead of tied to rundown progression, they were somehow linked to character customization in some way
would be really cool
turbid cliff
i.e. rare items in sectors
basically every rpg with dungeons
i mean it's not a bad idea, just not exactly revolutionary
forest horizon
Well no, but some sort of character progression is kind of needed
turbid cliff
I'm honest enough to admit that I personally don't even know what level tiers me...
when i say tiers i mean A B C D E
forest horizon
At least for after release
west crow
I understand the premise, but level difficulty often isn't reflected by tier and it all gets muddled with sectors.
livid stone
tbh gtfo already feels a bit like a dungeon crawler, so i wouldnt be surprised if thats what they use sectors for
west crow
And I agree while player customization or progression would be nice and serve as an incentive, I doubt that it would resolve anything major with level design, difficulty, or mechanics
livid stone
tbh i feel like the devs already know what they wanna do and how they wanna do it
turbid cliff
sectors aside main objective seems to be similar difficulty in same tier levels
livid stone
to fix that they would need to add more level interaction tbh
if the optionals would have more level interaction with the mains, it would feel a lot better
turbid cliff
tbh i feel like the devs already know what they wanna do and how they wanna do i...
and the most common reasons we get are "we'll share the details when we have decided/have something concrete"
livid stone
kek
nocturne flax
Damn they do be adding this weird dmr again
Will it have sausage finger like r3 rifle tho???
west crow
Why does it have the worst weapon sight 😩
turbid cliff
hel doubletap rifle
solemn wigeon
Doubletap sniper
turbid cliff
would a doubletap sentry actually be two sentries that you place real fast 🤔
livid stone
nice
solemn wigeon
Burst cancel the doubletap
sick hornet
you think burst canceling will be fixed in r5
west crow
It's a feature 😉
mossy yoke
deletes burst weapons
problem solved 😉
sick hornet
simply make the burst shoot very slow so its actually intended to burst cancel
west crow
Makes the burst not shoot at all
quiet stone
calm vessel
sick hornet
is ludvig gun going to be one of the new bosses
hope we get a water monster or something similar in the new tile
sick hornet
we've seen piercing weapons, will we ever see an AOE weapon
atomic escarp
Shotguns are technically AOE
solemn wigeon
Grenades when
forest horizon
glowstick grenades
atomic escarp
Lmao
turbid cliff
that does give me an idea, i wonder if it's been suggested
since sleepers don't seem too bothered by these things, there could be a consumable that splatters them with chemical fluid
highlighting them
atomic escarp
Chemlight sleepers
solemn wigeon
Chem light that does HOT
west crow
Do you have to wipe the chem light fluid off your mask?
I don't know if I can do that or not in the level where the players split up with my proximity chat
solemn wigeon
Sleeper juice
west crow
😩
mossy yoke
and that counts as cooldown
thanks for the reminder, I'm going to adjust the cooldown for a future bot update
west crow
You're welcome, glad I could help 😀
granite scarab
Epic feedback moment
robust marsh
Epic feedback moment
WOW
thorn shore
anyone know if the roadmap is getting updated at some point?
atomic escarp
When R5 drops at least
mossy yoke
wait we have a roadmap? /s
atomic escarp
At least 1
still geyser
xD
robust marsh
wait we have a roadmap? /s
.t roadmap
jaunty hedgeBOT
You can view the roadmap here: https://gtfothegame.com/roadmap
robust marsh
(:
mossy yoke
thanks! 🙂
robust marsh
np
atomic escarp
Get rey jones'd
vapid moon
#dev-leaks anyone else notice the icon under the longrange flashlight icon?
atomic escarp
Epic feedback moment
atomic escarp
Wouldn't count on it
fair hill
I would
candid dragon
charge on hel gun was obnoxious AF, when we have the chad rapid fire revo.
pseudo pumice
hel gun is best gun
granite token
is this the first time, if it happens, that a gun from the previous rundown is returning back to the game?
atomic escarp
When carbine and burst cannon stayed for R4
granite token
Ahh ok
hoary garden
would probably the first time a gun went away
dreamy bramble
machine gun returned from r2
dreamy bramble
not in r3
nocturne flax
r3 with mg would be so busted
frozen dagger
bullpup machine gun combo 
devout citrus
We need machinegun from R1 with magazine of 50 like the new one...oh man 😮
turbid cliff
and a grenade launcher for a primary while we're at it
bold widget
giv katana as melee weapon
hollow socket
laser sword
atomic escarp
We need machinegun from R1 with magazine of 50 like the new one...oh man 😮
No.
devout citrus
Ya!
devout citrus
Ok I was not serious but at least machinegun. From R1 in it’s original form
atomic escarp
The new MG and the R1 MG are two vastly different guns
1 is a precision gun that deals good damage
The other is a CC gun with lower damage overall
quiet stone
RIP R1 MG, what a beauty
turbid cliff
actually back when neko and someone else went on a praising spree for R1 mg, me and ray went back to look at it in play
in terms of stats it'd be really weak rn
quiet stone
Only because of ammo count
turbid cliff
even though it's a fun to use weapon
devout citrus
I dont really understand people using pistol. Maybe it’s just me
Anyway those are not « spoiler »
pliant shard
Pistol is so good
pliant shard
They are sleeping on it
west crow
solid primary, just gets undermined by the sole existence of the hel revolver
nocturne flax
same reason people sleep on burst sentry
turbid cliff
i really don't like pistol's range rn
i remember complaints about its nerfed range in R2/R3, and look what they did to it now
west crow
am I insane or did the pistol used to one shot headshot in r1
atomic escarp
It didn't iirc
west crow
was it a two shot then? one headshot one bodyshot?
west crow
so, through rundown patches, they've only increased its damage
but at some point reduced its effective range
turbid cliff
it was 2hs 1bs up til R4
west crow
so they just switched it to a 1 headshot 2 body shot
turbid cliff
its damage per refill increased by quite a lot over time
but range kept going down
spread and especially recoil went places too
R3 rifle probably gave devs the wrong idea about how players like it, since without hs bug rifle was 1 hs 2 bs
and mind you the 1 hs 2 bs on pistol only holds in ~5-6m range
fkn sucks
though there are people who say they apparently never use it out of that range anyway
west crow
so it's technically just the rifle with a lower effective range
turbid cliff
that's what it's used like i guess
i think rifle was a lot more accurate recoil-wise in sights too though
turbid cliff
hel revo
kappa
in terms of stats you can't argue for pistol over hel revolver but fuck stats i guess
west crow
In terms of stats, no, there isn't much of an argument.
nocturne flax
we aint got shit
vapid moon
would you say r2d2 is harder than r4e1?
vapid moon
well your tendo, your a special case
nocturne flax
everything in r2 was hard because of how short it was
if it was as long as r3/4 it would be mostly a cakewalk
but looking that in retrospective r2d2 its technically harder
obtuse surge
that sounds like a horrible way to judge difficulty
despite having at least a thousand extra hours of playtime
R4E1 took more attempts than R2D2
R2D2 stealth gets nowhere near R4E1 stealth
so the only thing you're asking is
are the waves that fucking hard that it's worse than:
- a tank alarm
- a multi-boss fight
- S1 alarms, with very heavy spawns
and the answer is probably no, not at all
maybe you were just really shit at shooting
(additionally resources are a lot more limited compared to R2D2)
obtuse surge
wouldn't that just add on to it
queen summit
?
obtuse surge
because if they're still limited when im "abusing"
nocturne flax
burst cancel bad
obtuse surge
wouldn't that just means its even harder
obtuse surge
i played R2 with a random group on top of the other people i played with
nocturne flax
😎
obtuse surge
they got through R2D2 with me on our 2nd try
they all had less than 100h playtime
R2D2 wasn't hard in any way
The only difficulty to it was figuring out how to use your weapons and tools efficiently enough
nocturne flax
I mean when you have someone that knows the level everything kinda easy not gonna lie
personally didnt have that luxury
obtuse surge
that's such a fucking lie
and you could just watch a clear from someone
and also have that knowledge
queen summit
you could have the acknowledgement to know how to clear the level, but it still all depends if you are able to clear it
obtuse surge
very much so
the combined combat skills of the team are so much more important in every way possible
mighty pond
Stared at any good floors lately Mr. Enthusiast?
queen summit
umm
nocturne flax
Also i compared the two reactors individually
mighty pond
R2D2 wasn't even that hard
nocturne flax
i didint really compare the two entire levels
mighty pond
idk why so many people bitched over it
obtuse surge
comparing the reactors?
R4E1 has way less resources
R4E1 has a 4 birther room
(didn't even exist in R2)
nocturne flax
i said r2d2 was hard because of the timeframe
nocturne flax
4 birther room you can crouch out of it literally?
obtuse surge
R4E1 has shadow scouts in stealth zones
mighty pond
You could do the same thing with the scout room in R2D2
obtuse surge
where is R2D2 harder
mighty pond
Which was arguably the hardest part of the level
nocturne flax
bruh
queen summit
wait but R4E1 has plenty of resources
mighty pond
It doesn't really Panda
obtuse surge
but way less than R2D2
mighty pond
Comparatively they're.. well not even comparable
R2D2 had like 50+ uses of basically every resource
Which was bonkers amounts of resources
queen summit
oh
obtuse surge
yes you can stealth the stealth zones
it's about the punishment if you fuck it up
which didn't exist in R2D2
because you can just spam the abundance of resources at whatever you woke up
R4E1 people split up and the person going for codes is either alone or a 2man team
the shit he/they wake up is worse to deal with than anything on R2D2
and they have less resources to deal with it
mighty pond
R2D2 is really more comparable to R4D1 imo difficulty wise
Both have way more resources than you reasonably need to finish the level and follow a more similar design choice
north hazel
Also why compare a D tier with an E tier in the first place?
obtuse surge
alerting the multi scout room on R2D2 -> ok guys get your ammopacks 
alerting 4 birthers on R4E1 -> run is over / cheese spot time
peak niche
was there a strat for R2D2, where the entire team defended at 1 spot?
north hazel
Back then we just shoot up that room
north hazel
was there a strat for R2D2, where the entire team defended at 1 spot?
The bridge at the start
mighty pond
was there a strat for R2D2, where the entire team defended at 1 spot?
There were multiple actually.
mighty pond
Bridge at the beginning you could use, there was also a catwalk that would funnel the enemies in the first zone you would go into.. I don't remember the zone # tho
peak niche
That might have been easier than 1/2 people defending per reactor room entrance
cold epoch
alerting the multi scout room on R2D2 -> ok guys get your ammopacks <:KEKW:80095...
Wait so it really is R4D1 lmao, the last room is about as much chargers and scouts as you can pack
mighty pond
It was, and was more boring tbh than defending reactor room
obtuse surge
R4D1's last room is very similar to R2D2 yeh
mighty pond
It basically was, except R2D2 had regular sleepers not chargers
obtuse surge
a bit less scouts but you get chargers instead
nocturne flax
I still believe r2d2 was harder because of how short that rundown was*
north hazel
R2D2 was definitely harder than R4D1. But R4E1? I don’t think so
nocturne flax
and your right we cannot really compare, both a D level and a E level
also machinegun kekw
cold epoch
Anyway, I think comparing the two is a bit unfair because the general skill level rises passively as the lifespan of the game goes
It's like comparing Old League of Legend Competitive scene with the current average level, it makes no sense
Some style of plays that rose at first among the very skilled player spread out in the community as time goes. The rundown weapons were different, we didn't know yet how to deal properly with many things
nocturne flax
R2D2 was exciting to play tho, you were moving all over the map and it was beeg
cold epoch
I only started this rundown, but D1 defintely seemed like beeg, at least for me, idk how it compares to R2D2
mortal granite
yes
queen summit
.o.
nocturne flax
pseudo pumice
I only started this rundown, but D1 defintely seemed like beeg, at least for me,...
imagine d1 times 2
cold epoch
Considering when I started D1 we started with not enough time on some parts, it seems like a pain
heavy wave
in my opinion, R4E1 is harder due to the fact that you MUST have 3 people defending the whole time while only 1 sneaks and clear. otherwise i agree R2D2 laster longer.
also with the fact that R2D2, when i did it, We meleed all 4 first waves WITHOUT kiting.
🤷♂️ but we could be 4 doing that, in E1, you cant, max 3 since 1 needs to get codes. and that the waves are more frequent
mortal granite
for R4E1 extreme, i think we could have done different strat
but since there is that 1 strat that's worked
heavy wave
I believe killing all the mothers at once is possible too
but it requires all 4 members and the wave cleared
mortal granite
you can c foam 1 mother and kill other 3
heavy wave
or c-foam 2 then kill 2 others?
mortal granite
it's not that doable depend on RNG
heavy wave
having 2 grenades could make that possible in theory
I have to ask though, when c-foamed, do monsters hear gunshots?
heavy wave
good to know
livid stone
cfoamed enemies are deaf, but they wake up after the foam's gone
storm crystal
reasoning: got the gunk in they ear
mortal granite
cfoamed enemies are deaf, but they wake up after the foam's gone
no, it do not
livid stone
wait they don't??
I'm sceptical but i do trust your game knowledge, even so I'll be testing this later
fallen elm
question i loaded up gtfo and it has as a 12,000 hour timer going is tht supposed to be there ?
mortal granite
look at the date for today
barren notch
that, or r5 is taking a little longer than expected...
terse relic
500 days for R5? Pfft that's nothing
devout citrus
It will be amazing
barren notch
500 days for R5? Pfft that's nothing
its actually 12783 days. so yeah 500 days is nothing 😄
oh and it increases actually, every time you die it adds one day
timber bridge
lol
thorn shore
Hey 12783 days is better than not knowing
We can all play r4 for the next like 10 years right
mortal granite
in R5, you'll be link into the game, hammer and kiting wave for your life
solemn wigeon
The new SAO
thorn shore
when the dev is actually playing gtfo 😉
mossy yoke
definitely can't be me 😉
pliant shard
Gaming while at work???
thorn shore
just never seen the devs playing
mossy yoke
shhh don't tell my boss
thorn shore
playing games at work thats unheard of
mortal granite
he's slacking
thorn shore
well they do have 12000 days to finish r5
calm vessel
Devs cant play without god mode smh
lofty sun
👀
turbid cliff
devs solo circle kiting S6 alarm just to test if the last zone looks fine
last garnet
Next Rundown 21 days
livid stone
doubtful, i feel like we'll get the counter in 21
or perhaps full release was pushed back to 22
atomic escarp
Remember when there's a 40 second leak of a silenced gun?
robust marsh
yus
granite scarab
Remember when there's a 40 second leak of a silenced gun?
last garnet
@atomic escarp guess
atomic escarp
ah ^^
sick hornet
well i was half right
calm vessel
It wasn’t silent. Doc said it was a dev tool
sick hornet
congratulations, you found the joke
calm vessel
Don’t think that’s a funny joke. Some people might take it seriously if they have t seen it 
sick hornet
2nd part ig, but still fnuuy
pliant shard
Which part?
pliant shard
Burst cannon, choke mod shotgun, and regular shotgun are the best go to option
Get him in a room where you can have either elevation or open space
In the first zone (455 I think) D is really good. You can use the structure in the middle of the room for cover and a little drop in the ground on the right side
Best option is to have 2 in front and 2 behind him so when switches targeting on other players you can start shooting his sacks again
slim brook
thank
pliant shard
No prob
thorn briar
so, the in game timer now shows some random stuff, but occasionally spits out some interesting numbers such as 03, 04, 16, 20__.
I'm speculating the release date might be somehow hidden in those, ex 04/16/2021 or something. (not sure how the 03 fits in, though)
What are your thoughts?
last garnet
@thorn briar exactly the same values were before the release of the rundown 003
thorn briar
Yea, that's also a hint
turbid cliff
i think i distinctively remember seeing 04/03 before in scrambled timer among other things
it could just be random shit
thorn briar
not sure the numbers are random, observed them for a few minutes and they keep repeating
turbid cliff
doesn't have to be completely random
thorn briar
well, I hope it's somewhere in april!
turbid cliff
can just be a set of symbols that it picks from
thorn briar
possible
turbid cliff
but yeah as was said for R3 there was also 04/03 and 20
if you somehow managed to find pre-R3 chats you'd probably see the numbers mentioned
i don't remember how long it usually takes until it starts counting down normally but i think it's ~2 weeks
atomic escarp
But, Did we had a timer like the one for the 1st april ?
turbid cliff
one counting down to 2056? no
barren notch
I think it will be in two weeks, on the 16th
daring bluff
Sounds like it to me as well
Numbers are 04/03, /16, 20 and 2020... so either it's telling us R3 IS R5 or R5 is dropping 16th. Or it's tomorrow (04/03) at 16h 😄
kindred mortar
Or they just used the same timer as in r3 and will make it normal when there are 2-3 days left before the release
daring bluff
I don't like you or your theory!
kindred mortar
But there will be no cut because r5 is a lie 🍰
mortal granite
Reality can be whatever i want
daring bluff
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
kindred mortar
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
solemn wigeon
R5 already happened what do you mean
obtuse cedar
People missed out of the R5 map yesterday rip them i guess :p
atomic escarp
R5 already happened what do you mean
Real R5 were the friends we made along the way
solemn wigeon
Real R5 were the friends we made along the way
😔
atomic escarp
Right @granite scarab?
solemn wigeon
Imagine if r5 was actually the full release
solemn wigeon
I should stop dreaming :^)
daring bluff
You suppose 10 chambers will continue making rundowns after full release? 🙂
solemn wigeon
Isn't that the point?
solemn wigeon
high forge
solemn wigeon
R5 is pretty sus tho 
mossy yoke
You suppose 10 chambers will continue making rundowns after full release? 🙂
absolutely!
daring bluff
Isn't that the point?
I was just wondering what your thoughts were! Heard the DogRed tho 😄
sick hornet
may 6th release date is what i got from it
10 days that we know of
probably around done with the Bs by now
knotty sphinx
🤣
hard horizon
B1 extreme but new environment update
haughty plank
?
high forge
west crow
B1 extreme but new environment update 😳
nocturne flax
B1 extreme but its a reactor shutdown😋
mossy yoke
e1 pe and its all reactors
haughty plank
Always has been 😩
mossy yoke
when you get to the extraction scan, it switches to another reactor
nocturne flax
I feel like extending r5 for another 2 weeks
mossy yoke
good choice
turbid cliff
imagine that
you're trying to extract
and the elevator just drops down another reactor for you
nocturne flax
good choice
Gibma
mossy yoke
no
atomic escarp
OR, a reactor shuts down while you're extracting, so you have to do a wave or two to power it
solemn wigeon
Startup the reactor to prove it works and then shut it down again
west crow
high- startup the reactor
atomic escarp
Extreme: Reactor shutdown
west crow
super exteme overload extravaganza - shutdown the reactor that shutdowns the gen cluster that shutdowns the elevator causing a malfunction where the players split up 😳
solemn wigeon
A level where players have to input a code into 4 different terminals at the same time
To progress the reactor wave
west crow
a level with a mimic terminal that is actually a P-pmother that spawns mothers that spawns baby chargers
haughty plank
Jesus at this rate imma stick to A1 ;-;
solemn wigeon
:^)
haughty plank
:^)
But on another note, was the possibility of progression across levels discussed? I saw it in the roadmap and am kinda hyped
nocturne flax
We'll seee
west crow
the only progression you'll get is a deep understanding that continuing to rise your expectations only leaves you to fall into a deep disappointment when those expectations aren't reached
haughty plank
xD why you gotta do me like this my man
haughty plank
why tho?
nocturne flax
Have no expectations at all!
solemn wigeon
Theta as another 2 weeks
west crow
because if something good is added I have exceeded my low expectations
haughty plank
only joined in r4 so Im new to the expectation management thingy
timber bridge
Have no expectations at all!
i 100% agree
solemn wigeon
Every level next rundown should be like A2 PE or C3 PE
haughty plank
Every level next rundown should be like A2 PE or C3 PE
meaning?
timber bridge
Just let whatever comes, come
facts
nocturne flax
Literally tho, have no expectation, get surprise by the good things its a lit better
solemn wigeon
You can't be disappointed if you disappoint yourself
timber bridge
👀
west crow
You can't be disappointed if you EXPECT to disappoint yourself
solemn wigeon
I don't have to expect it, I disappoint myself everyday
atomic escarp
Every level next rundown should be like A2 PE or C3 PE
A2 PE isn't even cruel
solemn wigeon
It's toxic with its forward spawns
nocturne flax
Bruh just bring.shotguns
Deal with scout wave
Get ammo,
Go to extreme
Easy claperino
solemn wigeon
Shotgun more like revolver 
west crow
what dick 🤡
nocturne flax
I shot it at the beggining of the extension because they added hel revo
solemn wigeon
R3a3?
west crow
no you didn't
there hadn't been enough down time to complain about the hel revolver yet
nocturne flax
Rundown 3 A3
west crow
bolt 😳
nocturne flax
They decided to put a reactor in a A level
west crow
they gave you (i think) 6 minutes for a terminal that was in the same room
it was an extremely watered down powerless that kind of missed the point in what made powerless interesting/fun
nocturne flax
Powerless was fun
west crow
mind you, they had to nerf bolt because the last wave was a bit much for an a level
nocturne flax
Bruh
It wasnt hard
People 9 times out of 10
Forgot theyre shotgun sentry
Thats literally it
west crow
I think I died on that level because my brain stopped functioning after 20 minutes
nocturne flax
It was player error not the levels fault
knotty sphinx
I died a lot on that level because I was running solo for my video. 😄
west crow
just going to flex in my chat 😡
nocturne flax
Bargehest its gonna barghest 
But literally there was no reason for thst level to be nerf
My man forgot the shotgun sentry at alarm door and morale drop
west crow
an a level is an a level
west crow
I actually enjoyed the bulk of r3 levels
west crow
bullpup machinegun combo 😩
nocturne flax
Bullpup combat shotty
nocturne flax
Dmr combat shotgun
Sniper sentry :Hackett_Heart:
west crow
🤢
nocturne flax
That my peanut butter and jelly
west crow
why wouldn't you use an auto instead?
would that technically bring any sleeper that walks past it to the one shot dmr mark?
solemn wigeon
Don't Diss the DMR
still geyser
Hel Revolver 🙂
nocturne flax
Just need 2 more bullets fo you to not reload every so ofen during waves
west crow
hel revolver 😩
still geyser
😛
atomic escarp
Dmr combat shotgun
Sniper sentry :Hackett_Heart:
DMR MG
still geyser
Choke Mod 🙂
west crow
at that point you don't need the dmr
nocturne flax
People like to overtune the fuck out of everything (myself included too)
west crow
choke mod 🤢
still geyser
lmao what do you like then?
solemn wigeon
Pistol 🤢
still geyser
shelling 😑
west crow
how could you
still geyser
takes too many shots to kill an enemy xD
solemn wigeon
Pistol weak pew pew gun
west crow
it's got like 100 shots
solemn wigeon
DMR stronk
west crow
dmr 🤢
still geyser
it's got like 100 shots
but needs like 8 to kill a single stiker xD
west crow
it only needs 3!!
nocturne flax
^
atomic escarp
Just aim better lmao
nocturne flax
It onky takes 2!
atomic escarp
Pistol
west crow
WHAT!!!
atomic escarp
5 bodyshots : ^ )
west crow
NOOOO
nocturne flax
😫 😫
solemn wigeon
DMR 1 shot shooters
solemn wigeon
Shooters are the scariest enemies
knotty sphinx
This conversation is quickly turning into a KekW moment
west crow
reddit moment 😳
atomic escarp
Your a kekw moment
solemn wigeon
nocturne flax
This is truly a steam forum moment
west crow
you can't mention the steam forum
solemn wigeon
This do be a twitter moment
west crow
they're still asking if this game is multiplayer
nocturne flax
Matchmaking or no buyy
knotty sphinx
lol
nocturne flax
😠
solemn wigeon
We need a 2v2 DMR vs pistol fight
west crow
what's the dmr going to do?
NOT oneshot headshot me?
oh shit no wait
I'M A SHOOTER
pulsar zodiac
😈
west crow
how can the dmr be a more skill based weapon than the pistol
if you need to hit more shots to kill with the pistol 🤔
nocturne flax
Pistol its such a nice gun
west crow
thank you
pulsar zodiac
Pistol its such a nice gun
you are not betraying the DMR brothers right?
west crow
dmr cult 🤢
pulsar zodiac
west crow
they'll give the dmr 3 more shots
nocturne flax
Even better
west crow
but it can no longer one shot headshot shooters
nocturne flax
Even worst
pulsar zodiac
🤮
west crow
🤢
nocturne flax
Less go
sick hornet
Nice
pulsar zodiac
prob no exact date yet
nocturne flax
Wack
high forge
haughty plank
that sounds reasonable^^
uncut gyro
shush
nocturne flax
warning this is spoiler : looks like we have sewer environment
:OOOO
silver flare
I SEE A PICTURE IN WIKI
nocturne flax
Grt the toilet paper
silver flare
agile holly
I have a question.. last night I tried running A2 extreme. The objective only said "find the item" which was really intriguing but we ended up wiping. This morning I ran it again but the objective this time was completely different and wanted a HSU. I tried looking it up to see what I missed last night, but I'm not finding any mention of it anywhere. Does anyone know what that was about? What did I miss???
solemn wigeon
Bug probably 😩
fierce crag
Did you tried to find its position on a terminal by typing querry HSU_XXX ?
agile holly
No, it was my first time doing A2 extreme so I didn't know about the HSU being a thing. I tried looking in the terminal to see if there was a weird glitched entry or something indicative of "the item" but no luck.
Are optional objectives always the same?
solemn wigeon
Sometimes it'll bug out, for the official levels, they will 99.9% of the time mention what you need to get
and yes
agile holly
Got it. Thank you so much!
solemn wigeon
I had an issue where it said "get to extraction zone" but it didn't say what the zone was
but I loaded in properly and it told me which zone
agile holly
Ha.. I'll have to try that if it happens again
solemn wigeon
gl GTFOing
agile holly
Thanks everyone tooooo!
mighty pond
Out of all of the hours I have played and abused this game I have never once seen the objective "bug out" and display the wrong thing. I'm not sure what happened to you, but I am quite certain you didn't get some immeasurably rare bug where your mission objective was different.
There may have been a display error between going into Extreme and the High, but that's all I can logically think of.
Hmm I worded that shitty as hell reading all that back. Basically the objective did not change at all between the two runs, but the display that was given was different, likely from some sort of check not passing when attempting to display new information or something like that.
Leaving and re-entering the zone would likely have fixed what error you had
mild sonnet
I dont know if the sewer area will be a whole new environment, maybe just a special area. I feel like if theyre gonna add a new environment, it should be similar to Labratory/Datacenter so we could round things out
mortal granite
i've never seen the display objective bug out before
stoic egret
mortal granite
E
brazen lava
Man that alarm alone is part of why i havent attempted E yet. Im brave, but i aint that brave. Error alarms are anoying by default
errant vigil
nocturne flax
You can even mine strat at the end!!
nocturne flax
there's only 2 tanks on E1
how far have you reach ?
obtuse surge
the 2nd alarm..
nocturne flax
make them come from the bottom easy floor
obtuse surge
yes
2nd alarm has different waves
you need 23 units if im right
to prevent spawns
sick hornet
do different enemies affect cap in different ways? i keep hearing this but i havent verified it
obtuse surge
25?
sick hornet
i have played this game way too much to not know cap -_-
you have to be kidding me
obtuse surge
for the class 6 you just embrace infection
those fog zones are full of shit that makes them slow af
slow enough to finish your 140s scan
obtuse surge
bruh
sick hornet
bhop gun it through the fog after taking the shooters to 457L
shy vessel
Shooter matrix dodge strat works 100% of the time
nocturne flax
YABTER
haughty plank
how hard is e1 in comparison to the rest?
granite scarab
no
west crow
<a:owoNO:595745281539047445>
double dab
main iris
is there a rundown countdown timer glitch in everyones game?
atomic escarp
What timer?
main iris
There's a glitching timer below the rundown name
sterile isle
atomic escarp
👄
west crow