gtfo-spoiler-chat

[obtuse surge]

it's not the same at all

burst cancelling isn't right, but it's nowhere near door cheese

[native drum]

you can kill 60 mobs with the cannon burst using the bug, but that's normal

[obtuse surge]

random ass number

very cool

[nocturne flax]

Your denying a run ending room with the cheese door

[obtuse surge]

you can kill as many without burst canceling

[atomic escarp]

If someone says door cheese takes skill I'm leaving the server

[obtuse surge]

that's the point i made

you can kill 5 with a burst

without any sort of bug

[west crow]

Door cheese requires you to close a door

[obtuse surge]

the weapon itself without bugs

is good

door cheese without bugs doesn't exist

[errant vigil]

I mean if your precise enough with revo you can kill 57 smalls

[queen field]

Good luck to close a security door tho

[native drum]

if you can kill several monsters at the same time, no need to use the bug

[west crow]

Just shoot through an opening security door

Easy

[obtuse surge]

indeed no need

[queen field]

East

[obtuse surge]

but why use full burst when less is enough

you don't unload your entire pistol mag on every enemy either

you stop when its dead

[native drum]

maybe because the weapon is made to shoot 5 at the same time

[west crow]

Devils advocate, the high burst damage has the intended trade off of wasted shots per burst

[obtuse surge]

which is a concept that makes no sense

[west crow]

Something that is almost entirety negated with cancel

[obtuse surge]

why would the weapon be forced to fire a full burst

[west crow]

But nothing intended for gtfo plays out like it's intention

Trade off

[native drum]

I don't know how to ask the developers

[queen field]

it is

[west crow]

High damage but risk of missing those high damage shots

[high forge]

lol man it's used to burst 5 shots

[nocturne flax]

Im gonna annihilate you with this sentence

G A M E B A L A N C E

[queen field]

Rewarding people for aiming correctly at the risk of losing ammos

[nocturne flax]

I won

I WON BABYYY

[high forge]

it's not made so you can use burst cancel whenever you want to

[west crow]

I mean the trade off is clearly there

[nocturne flax]

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

[obtuse surge]

charge up still exists

[west crow]

The argument shouldn't be defending burst cancel

Just agreeing it's the lesser of the two evils

[native drum]

if there was a patch on the canon burst bug, it may be to avoid using it

[obtuse surge]

it's one of the most slow weapons ever if you're shooting 1 shot at a time

[nocturne flax]

Something something witcher

[queen field]

Still make it way more efficient than the original way

[obtuse surge]

that's not true at all

nearly all weapons made to one tap

will outperform it when used to one tap

[native drum]

no but don't look for excuses with the load is slow, you use a game bug like us

[queen field]

Difference is :

1. DMG
2. ammos

[west crow]

I understand what they intended the burst cannon to be

[obtuse surge]

i never said it's not a bug

you're feeling attacked for some reason

calm down

i said door cheese is more fucked

[quiet stone]

[obtuse surge]

not that burst cancelling is ok

[quiet stone]

door bug and burst cheese is both as bad as each other

[native drum]

when you don't do the hammer reactor you can't hold 50 waves 6

[obtuse surge]

what is that supposed to mean

[quiet stone]

I don't know

[obtuse surge]

fucking hell

[high forge]

farfa is bad at english don't mind it

no worries everything is gonna be fine

what he meant is that, doing the reactor with hammer is also kind of strange being that's it's not supposed to be done like that

but by setting up a defense and everything

[dapper dagger]

"Guys its impossible to shoot the reactor guys, you dont get enough ammo!!1!1!!"

[obtuse surge]

and why would he say that

how does that have anything to do

with what we were saying

[eternal dragon]

shooting them makes it way harder

[queen nymph]

Secret mission. Destroy the reactor

[eternal dragon]

👍

[high forge]

not really

[obtuse surge]

yes guys

don't melee an enemy that's awake

[dapper dagger]

Guess you've never held with revolver

[obtuse surge]

that's cheese

don't dodge an attack, that's kiting, which is also cheese

[high forge]

you can very easily hold the reactor if you can aim properly

[queen field]

It actually felt way easier when doing it while shooting during all the waves tbh

[native drum]

57 ammo pack in extreme 🙂

[west crow]

When the majority of successful completions actively try to avoid shooting the entire reactor startup, it's probably not the best thing to do

[queen field]

The only difference being the last room's rng

[high forge]

if both guys up front are good at holding stuff ez pz win

[errant saffron]

Why is Wesley so angry?

[west crow]

Gas lighting

[obtuse surge]

the real question is why you think im angry

[errant saffron]

Who stirred the beast?

[high forge]

[dapper dagger]

Shooting reactor is only hard if your mine guy is slow as fuck

[nocturne flax]

Shooting the reactor its far easier than hammering

[high forge]

and if your mates can't aim shit

You do the hammer strat only if you are sure you will take a lot of time to go get the codes

[dapper dagger]

hammering is just more accessible for lesser skilled players

[obtuse surge]

i can literally upload a video of me clearing an entire room using door cheese only

if you are somehow convinced

[west crow]

Door cheesing the final reactor code room was mentioned, Wesley said recommending door cheesing actively avoids the difficulty of the room, farfa asked why is it that big a deal if Wesley actively uses burst cancel. Wesley mentions that burst cancel is different since everyone does it. Furthers their statement by saying how burst weapons should be able to be single fire, then states how it's the lesser of the two evils, with one actively avoiding difficulty and the other requiring some technique. Farfa then starts talking about how holding the reactor waves with guns is difficult, completely avoiding Wesley's answer.

[obtuse surge]

that it's not worse than tapping a burst weapon

[high forge]

@dapper dagger A man of culture

[queen field]

@errant saffron since you were asking

[errant saffron]

If you door cheese something, hit it but it doesn't die, what happens?

[queen field]

if it's scout, trigger iirc

no idea about other sleepers

[errant saffron]

Say it's a big charger

[west crow]

Won't trigger until the room is reopened

[errant saffron]

I'm just curious at this point

wow....

[obtuse surge]

people who fail to see differences between how abusive bug x is compared to bug y

[high forge]

and who might that be ?

both are the same shits anyway

[obtuse surge]

why are you asking me to call names

what's the point

[west crow]

Just read the above

[obtuse surge]

what are you trying to do

[west crow]

The conversation literally just happened

[high forge]

i'm just interested nothing more nothing less

[mighty pond]

Farfa then starts talking about how holding the reactor waves with guns is difficult
lul shooting hard lmao

[peak coral]

:metakingpopcorn:

[obtuse surge]

one tapping a door is also cheese

but who fucking cares

[mighty pond]

my 30+ ammo pack usages state otherwise

[nocturne flax]

HEL revo pen go brrrrr

[obtuse surge]

if your brain works you can tell a difference between something that actually matters

and something that kind of doesn't

[high forge]

actually both are the same, both game exploits

[errant vigil]

I just coom on scout and hammer her vulnerable body

[dapper dagger]

z ultimate coomer

[west crow]

Difference is severity and actually game impact

[mighty pond]

z stop yourself

[native drum]

if you want i must have videos of E1 extreme without hammer and without door bug 🙂 @obtuse surge

[mighty pond]

You're going to get the horny jail convict role otherwise

[obtuse surge]

man

[high forge]

burst cancel helps you fire one shot at the time and the door opening bug helps you clear an annoying ennemy without triggering the room

[west crow]

This is the weirdest form of gas lighting I've seen to date

[queen field]

Note that when i mentioned the door cheese, it was ONLY about the first room of the last zone in E1 ex, ASSUMING there were exactly 2 scouts

[obtuse surge]

what do you mean without hammer

[queen field]

It was a mistake to mention it ofc, but i wasn't saying it as to use it everywhere

[obtuse surge]

my team doesn't cap the waves and hammer everything

they hammer the first waves because they are that fucking easy

if you think that's cheese

[queen field]

Doc, add chargers in E1 waves

[obtuse surge]

good for you

[queen field]

😳

[native drum]

cnot cheese

[errant vigil]

black boi roll up on your reactor

what do you do 👀

[mighty pond]

Shoot

[queen field]

Not to mention that can still be a thing if the doors were opening with a bass boosted sound

[obtuse surge]

we did our E1 extreme speedrun without door cheese

[queen field]

So the shots would be silenced by the doors opening

Nor did we

[obtuse surge]

i think they hammered first 3 waves?

[nocturne flax]

Its hammering cheese

[native drum]

sorry I'm not unemployed, I don't have time to spend 15 hours a day on the game

[obtuse surge]

???

[mighty pond]

They don't either?

[high forge]

[obtuse surge]

why do you say the most random shit

anyway

[west crow]

Go work your cringe 9 to 5

[obtuse surge]

all of us walked out with a high use ammo

if it wasn't a speedrun

[west crow]

I'll be gaming 😀

[high forge]

Wow calm down let the man speak for himself

[obtuse surge]

we could have shot every wave

[native drum]

on the other hand you don't know how your teammate defends the reactor?

[obtuse surge]

we just kind of wanted ammo to shoot during stealth sections

[queen field]

You still get a shitton even when shooting at all the waves

Enough to shoot at everything during stealth sections

[west crow]

You're pretty loaded, yeah

[mighty pond]

Not in the means that they are shooting Saint

[queen field]

wdym

[obtuse surge]

we shoot big shadows in the fog zones

[mighty pond]

I'm rather certain Wes is talking about their speedrunning, where they pull most every area

[queen field]

I know that

[west crow]

It's the safest way to do it

[mighty pond]

For speed sake, which consumes tons of ammo

[obtuse surge]

i mean it's not that safe

at 1% health

[dapper dagger]

Just dont get hit

[mighty pond]

druee

[west crow]

Not speedrunning sake

But pulling rooms isn't an uncommon strat

[mighty pond]

It should be lol

[errant vigil]

I down myself to get back to 20% easy clap

[native drum]

we pull for the reactor and we do the rest by pulling

[mighty pond]

they're so much simpler to stealth

[errant vigil]

I'm cheesing

[mighty pond]

yooo same tho

[west crow]

I'm not wasting an hour because the game decided that hammers don't stagger

[native drum]

even by firing all the way through the reactor, we still have bullets

[high forge]

[mighty pond]

Just don't get stagger bug

ez

[obtuse surge]

yes farfa

and you could also do it without the door bug

[west crow]

This argument has been so heavily diluted

[queen field]

Don't you know that cheese strat in which you stay in a dumpster during the whole reactor section so the guy who look for the code can take all the time he wants to get everything ? 😳

[high forge]

we never used them 🙂

[queen field]

Top-tier gaming, i assure you

[native drum]

we use the door bug for the last terminal, and even not triggering the scouts we end up with bullets

[obtuse surge]

i dont think you understand how busted the door bug is

[peak coral]

We don't use door bug, we don't use burst cancelling and we still have bullets for the fog zone after the reactor

[obtuse surge]

we could abuse the shit out of it in speedruns

literally all double scout rooms in the fog zones

[native drum]

the last E1 extreme we used no bug and we had 15 ammopack

[obtuse surge]

could be cheesed with it

and essentially voided

[nocturne flax]

y'all poopy heads and completely wrong

i win bye bye

[queen field]

got'em

[errant vigil]

I'm a c-foam launcher main pog

I don't coom on doors I coom on scouts

[obtuse surge]

i shove scouts

[west crow]

They stagger easy

[mighty pond]

You coom period z

[errant vigil]

I'm a coom head and I'm right

[soft kraken]

imagine not religiously using bio

[west crow]

Play the game however you want. The first ever public e1 ex completion was completed with every single cheese strat possible. If you're self conscious about your completion because someone else disagrees with it and believes that the use of cheese invalidates your run: who cares. Just don't be upset when it leaves you arguably worst off as a player and people validly complain about your reliance on cheese outside of your friend group.

[soft kraken]

fax

[queen field]

ggez

[high forge]

@west crow mvp

[harsh pelican]

i think we should get a level where the players split up

[west crow]

I also feel strangely inclined to agree with this proposition

[granite scarab]

one where we split up? im on board

[grim cape]

The game was made in Unity

This is a spoiler

[queen nymph]

Or you can do one with cheese and one without cheese

[queen nymph]

To cheese or not to cheese, that is the question

[atomic escarp]

Haven't tried cheddar cheese

[grand bay]

I see video where people use this, is it a trick? When i try to switch weapon, it seems to me i can t cancel in Time or am i just too slow?

[peak coral]

I know you can burst cancel with escape during fire and switching melee weapon + right clic with it (not very sure)

[west crow]

Shove canceling: press whatever key is bound as "melee" (default is "C") and it'll interrupt your shot.

[grand bay]

Ok thanks, so it s more a bug than a feature

[west crow]

Yessir

[robust marsh]

for burst cancel yes it is a bug

so dont get use to it

if burst cannon stays the bug will be gone

[rancid basalt]

-- --- ...- .. -. --.

MOVING

🤔

[atomic escarp]

#game-announcements

[rancid basalt]

oh, well that's less interesting and more exciting than I expected

[bold widget]

Quick question

[atomic escarp]

The answer is yes

[bold widget]

You can kill shadow scouts frontal right

[atomic escarp]

Holy fuck it is

[bold widget]

Even thoe their body is bend

Lul

[atomic escarp]

If they bend forwards toward you, yes, you just have to see where their head is

[bold widget]

I mean like I general

Their body is bend when moving/standing

Like his head is a bit back

)

^Like this

Cause if you jump reach their head and bonk you might touch him before reaching his head or the swing is pretty weird so it hits the neck

[atomic escarp]

Their head is a bit larger to compensate for the bend

Someone more knowledgable about shadow scouts might be online later

[queen field]

They're a bit taller too iirc

[mighty pond]

They're big height yes, and if they're bowed like you are describing Nomad it's typically not worth going for from the frontal direction, instead come in from the sides or just wait.

[mossy yoke]

😉

[bold widget]

I don't mean bowing

Uuuh how do I explain this

Like when he is walking he has his belly pressing out and his head is tilted further back

[mighty pond]

Bowing isn't in the sense you think, I see where you got the thought though cause it's a term I use myself (force habit oops). Bowing as I meant it is the enemy has its body anatomy in the shape of the curve of a bow being drawn, not as in bent over. @bold widget

[obtuse surge]

Can you do b3 overload and high? (without extreme)

At what point do the cryo's become required for the extraction scan

[knotty sphinx]

I thought they were required the moment you opened the extreme

[mighty pond]

I'm pretty sure as soon as you enter the layer they're required Wes, but I've never done any extensive testing of that.

[soft kraken]

its prob when you pick up the first cryo

that it becomes required

maybe

[tiny quail]

I would think it doesn't trigger until picked up. Thinking about how D2 optional works, should be the same?

[mighty pond]

Maybe, like I said I haven't done any testing so I just speculate you enter the area you need to do the obj. However that isn't the case for others so I am likely wrong.

[mortal granite]

you need to pickup the item for it to be count as objective

in D2 you can go in Overload, pick up all the resources, key and then bail

you can "pre-scan" the extraction and then go pick up the cargo later

[errant vigil]

like the cryos in A2

[mortal granite]

cryos in A2 are needed to extract

we could do a little test with B3

to make sure

[bold widget]

@mortal granite don't you have to deal with chargers thoe 🤔

[mortal granite]

charger in B3?

my bad

you're gonna deal with charger and shadow

[bold widget]

I mean using the pre scan method in d2

[mortal granite]

but at least you have extraction charge up to 90% or 99%

[bold widget]

True

Just a matter of one guy making it trough

[mortal granite]

anyway

[bold widget]

Situation gets a bit stiff thoe dealing with chargers and shadows in a fog covered environmental place

[mortal granite]

i think you're gonna split the spawn anyway

3 - 4 charger on extraction and 3 - 4 shadow near cargo

[bold widget]

Hmmm

Btw alpha your melee video was really helpful 👌

[mortal granite]

Thanks

[bold widget]

Quick question, if a shadow scout is bend do you know if you can still kill him frontal reaching his head or will you touch him before the kill?

[mortal granite]

you can kill him normal like normal scout

shadow scout is easier to kill when there is light + you're the host

[bold widget]

Even thoe he is bend like this ) asking this situation specifily cause in E1 I failed to kill a scout that way and I think I was touching him before killing him, might have hit his neck as well (we did pass it in the end) ;p

[mortal granite]

shadow scout i think are as tall as Giant shooter

so if you want to kill it when it's standing

you either aim really high up

or jump

[errant vigil]

They're not as tall

Just are a bit taller than regular scouts

[bold widget]

I was jumping but apparently it went nowhere

Might have been just a fail in general

[mortal granite]

you can easily hammer normal scout if you aim high enough

for shadow scout you have to aim way high up

Thicc body

[knotty sphinx]

There are some issues with scouts on the client side. They can be bent over while your animation is it standing up straight.

It doesn't always register when you jump

[mortal granite]

honestly, if you want to kill shadow scout with hammer

i would recommend do it on the back

[bold widget]

But you can reach it if his anatomy is bendy right with the attack vector being frontal

[mortal granite]

since the head are way out on the back side

or

3 full charge hammers

[bold widget]

I see

Thanks :)

[mortal granite]

if you're going for 3 full charge hammers

the 1st hammer will stagger shadow scout

other 2 need to hit it in 0.7 seconds

[pure pagoda]

What even are the shadows

[mighty pond]

Shadows

[robust marsh]

shadows

[pure pagoda]

They are completely different from anything else in the game

[robust marsh]

they are just shadows

[pure pagoda]

What I mean is, why do they exist

[mighty pond]

Because they live

[pure pagoda]

I find it hard to believe that the same force which caused the plague also created the shadows

[robust marsh]

we dont have a lot of lore for sleepers so we cant tell why what they are :/

or what are they here

[mighty pond]

Well, guess you aren't believing hard enough

The devs made em so they're here

[pure pagoda]

They're too... otherworldly
The plague is visceral and grotesque, and these things are just... phantasmagorical

[mighty pond]

We don't even know it's a plague

[pure pagoda]

These things are clearly human

[mighty pond]

So, what's to say that the means that created the enemies couldn't do it

[pure pagoda]

Or they wrre

[robust marsh]

ah good thing that we think the fudges came from a asteroid ha?

[pure pagoda]

Beneath the fungus on their heads you can see eyesockets and noses

[mighty pond]

Something that only humans have..?

[robust marsh]

yes as the fungus takes humans as host

but

[tight cliff]

doesn't make any sense - if a plague is engineered by human hands then you can develop various types of strains that can produce different morphological differences

so it's still valid

[pure pagoda]

How screwed would we be if these monsters managed to get to the surface

[robust marsh]

the progression is like flood after the first wave of attack and bio mass eaten they will start makeing there own enemy type and shadow is most likely one of them

[tight cliff]

plenty of current wildlife etc use some form of camoflage, not to the point the shadows have, but they get pretty close in their prime environment

[robust marsh]

petty bad if they are like flood from halo

[pure pagoda]

I suspect the prisoners motives are very simple

[tight cliff]

yes - survive

[mighty pond]

No I want to die as a prisoner

wym

[pure pagoda]

I believe they're here by choice

[tight cliff]

shit. you've destroyed my explanation

[mortal granite]

be a man

[robust marsh]

nope

[mortal granite]

be THE WARDEN

[mighty pond]

Well, this would be lore related and not really spoilers

[robust marsh]

thats hard canon my friend

[mighty pond]

smh

[pure pagoda]

The warden has offered them a lighter sentence if they go down into the pit

[mighty pond]

so go speak your theories in #gtfo-lore

I come here for spoiler content

[tight cliff]

i disagree - going down to become a sleeper iisn't a lighter sentence

yes what peace sais

[robust marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq7wWP8bjK8&t=3s

[vast lion]

okay so in R5, there are sewers

[robust marsh]

here you go

[pure pagoda]

Maybe they're on death row

[mighty pond]

Yooooo

[pure pagoda]

And this is a chance to live

[mighty pond]

plant enemy 👀

[robust marsh]

not really

im not going to go in the lore but prisoner means: a person that is being kept by force not by choice aka in imprisoned (idk if thats the word for it)

thats the general meaning of prisoner

still the link i gave out is the devs saying who we are

and what we doing here

[vapid moon]

we have one

spitters are basically plants

[bold widget]

The day their gonna introduce cluster team scans is the day solo plays are gonna die out

[errant vigil]

nah it's the day when kiting gets hard nerfed

[reef talon]

kiting already is kinda nerfed with the existence of s1 scans

but, they are few and far between so

actually removing bunnyhop behavior will probably have the biggest effect

[hoary garden]

you clearly haven't seen people soloing s1 scans by kiting back and forth over and over for 10+ minutes

[reef talon]

since it's so useful for quickly clearing rooms in error alarms

or scouts

etc

[dreamy bramble]

bunnyhopping isn't what helps solos much at all

it's more a speedrun strat

[reef talon]

Maybe not specifically solos

but overall

it helps with efficiency in error scenarios

it does make sense to remove tho

[dreamy bramble]

i mean ig

[reef talon]

kinda silly we make no noise while airborne

[dreamy bramble]

but solos you just cap errors anyways

so it doesn't change anything there

[errant vigil]

Sliding has the same effect for kiting as jumping

you just can't spam it

[reef talon]

i meant bunnyhopping for stealth

not kiting

[errant vigil]

ah I just run into rooms then

and still kite the whole room

[reef talon]

I think no matter what happens, kiting will be a big part of the gameplay loop now

[errant vigil]

I hope not

[reef talon]

But it would be nice if it wasn't so heavily leaned on

it really detracts from the stealth aspect

[errant vigil]

With how much of a joke E1 extreme is with kiting I hope the devs do something about it

[reef talon]

perhaps an enemy that immobilizes you if you run?

have to carefully use that kind of enemy type though

would become toxic in certain situations

[knotty sphinx]

Maybe they need to actually make it harder in a more practical way

Rather than just "nerf" kiting

[errant vigil]

So make all enemies chargers easy

[reef talon]

lol

[knotty sphinx]

Nah

[reef talon]

But honestly. I don't think there is a perfect solution.

Many people still can't do it well.

[knotty sphinx]

There isn't

[reef talon]

Many people don't want to play that way.

So it isn't necessarily "easy" either

[knotty sphinx]

It's a very vocal minority crying around about kiting anyways

[errant vigil]

There's a very vocal minority crying about rng too

[reef talon]

rng is kinda the point tho

[errant vigil]

I know

[reef talon]

if every run was predictable

no replay value

[errant vigil]

If every run is kiteable there's no value

[knotty sphinx]

Most people don't stick around past all maps completed once anyways

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[reef talon]

Hopefully a way can be found to cater to different playstyles

stealth, kiting

without screwing it for any one party

[knotty sphinx]

Going to be impossible because you can't please everybody

Too much fighting over playstyles is going to alienate one group

Or the other

[reef talon]

Of course, it's not easy. I don't agree it's impossible though.

[errant vigil]

Stealthing is just not prominent in the game anymore

[reef talon]

Certain levels of challenge will always enforce a certain playstyle in the meta too.

[knotty sphinx]

The issue with E1 isn't simply the kiting

There are other factors in that too

[errant vigil]

weather that be due to kiting or no threat in regular rooms

[knotty sphinx]

I still doubt the completion rate is that high

[dreamy bramble]

probably significantly higher than r2e1

maybe ~3-5%?

[knotty sphinx]

I doubt it

[reef talon]

I am sure we might get the stats on it at the rundown end.

[knotty sphinx]

I've seen how messy pub runs get

[dreamy bramble]

fair

i did most of my r2e1 runs with pubs and that left scars

[knotty sphinx]

That's how it will always be

[pseudo pumice]

i feel like r4e1 is much lower than r2e1

well, i guess im including extreme in that

[dreamy bramble]

r2e1 was 1.4%

r4e1 has to be higher with all the people doing repeat clears i figure

[knotty sphinx]

There are a lot of people that bought the game, tried it and never played it again

[reef talon]

I mean, it's going to be difficult for this game to blow up. Most people still don't know about it.

And most people will probably never play it.

Which is a little saddening.

[mighty pond]

Mit you also need to consider the reset factor

[reef talon]

Possibly a good thing too. I haven't had any toxicity in public matches.

[mighty pond]

Many more runs are being reset at a much faster rate for this current E level

Compared to R2

[dreamy bramble]

that's true

a lot of runs reset in less than 10 minutes

[mighty pond]

You will see a higher clear total, but I think we will see a somewhat similar percentage

[knotty sphinx]

A fair chunk of people still panic about the tank

Especially with no mine strategy for E1

Lol.

[dreamy bramble]

i like it that way lol

it's refreshing to see the panic after everyone cheeses c1/d2

[reef talon]

I am not great at gunplay, so tank doesn't thrill me.

But it's a fun enemy.

[knotty sphinx]

You can be great at objectives and other things

[mighty pond]

I watched a group do C1 and spend 20+ minutes setting up and planning tank killing strats just to mine cheese it in the end

[knotty sphinx]

and still be a good player

[mighty pond]

Essentially wasting the entire time they spent planning

[knotty sphinx]

lol

[errant vigil]

yea shooting isn't the only factor

[dreamy bramble]

i'm a bit sad that mine cheese is so mainstream

[errant vigil]

Knowledge and supporting your team is good too

[knotty sphinx]

^

[reef talon]

meta will change again

[knotty sphinx]

It's mainstream because it takes no brain

lol

[reef talon]

shotgun sentry, then mines

if new tools come

or new challenges

mines may become less mainstream

[pseudo pumice]

do people actually struggle to kill the tank? i haven't really played any pubs

[knotty sphinx]

A lot of people don't even set up mines properly

[reef talon]

to be fair, in pubs

[knotty sphinx]

Then wonder why he doesn't die

[reef talon]

most people have never fought it

[dreamy bramble]

i struggled a ton on my first tank in a pub

[reef talon]

or only done it a few times

[dreamy bramble]

took like 10 mins to kill it

[knotty sphinx]

lol

[reef talon]

I think a very small percentage of the playerbase has actually played enough to be good

or whatever that means

[errant vigil]

yea true

[knotty sphinx]

Some runs make me want to pull my hair out because of the enemy count

Other times it's a cakewalk

[mighty pond]

They absolutely do struggle Chase, but with how long the level has been out a majority have a decent idea of how to do it just have bad standing locations

[errant vigil]

I'm trash I just aim well

[mighty pond]

Shush yourself z

You play well

[knotty sphinx]

I need to become a better team mate myself

Too much solo

[mighty pond]

You did do a lot of solo play in the earlier rundowns tbf

[errant vigil]

yea I've been getting into a bad mindset as well

[reef talon]

I imagine some people don't want to go searching for the information on how game mechanics work too.

Some people I have met playing pubs have approached this game with the L4D mentality of playing it.

[errant vigil]

yea it's more of a passion thing

for the game

[mighty pond]

That becomes an issue when they go into pubs

[knotty sphinx]

I haven't touched any other game since this came out

[mighty pond]

Cause there's no filter on some people

[pseudo pumice]

i don't understand why people don't play the levels in order

[reef talon]

to see bits of other missions

then come back to them

[mighty pond]

There's not any set reason to do so Chase

[reef talon]

I know if I get sick of failing a mission repeatedly

[pseudo pumice]

some people go straight to e1 and wonder why they can't kill the tank

[reef talon]

would rather do a different one

[mighty pond]

Sure you can learn things from the earlier levels, but they can also be learned in the other levels

[reef talon]

just for a new change of pace in what the objective/map is

[errant vigil]

I mean if they go into c1 they still won't know how to kill tank if it's their first time

Learning how enemies work and tactics is a big part of completing a level

[reef talon]

objectively speaking it's BAD to play that way since trying a map over and over is the best way to learn it.

but

from a fun standpoint

and enjoyment

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[knotty sphinx]

I play the maps so much, I know them like the back of my hand now

[errant vigil]

Someone could beat D2 PE and haven't touched B3 PE and not know what the fuck to do in it

[knotty sphinx]

It's weird in that sense too

Some people might struggle with b and c tier

But do well in D and E tier

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[reef talon]

well, it's more significant now due to the bulkhead system anyway

not so much on previous rundowns

[errant vigil]

It's seems to be previous knowledge of the game and learning new specific stuff in new levels

Yea you're right

[reef talon]

My friends only really play this game once a week most the time.

And because they haven't invested time to learn levels or improve at the game in general.

We often fail.

So in some ways, the bulkhead system is both great and bad.

[knotty sphinx]

Yeah

[reef talon]

So my experience with this game is largely with pubs.

[knotty sphinx]

There's a reason why I was looking for decent people for duo runs

Not as hard to get one other person at the very least

[reef talon]

The way I think of it is that I play with my friends purely for fun and to talk.

and pubs to actually try

[knotty sphinx]

Haha

[reef talon]

sometimes you find good people in pubs

[knotty sphinx]

It's why I only do mains solo now

I've got one other guy to share the pain with me in Extreme's and PE's

It makes it more interesting

[reef talon]

I think the "meta knowledge" is just the bigger hurdle here honestly though for newcomers.

Or for veterans since beta but just playing rarely.

[knotty sphinx]

I used to "teach" some new players that used to ask

But they learned too fast and just quit

[reef talon]

The game doesn't expect you to know there is a spawncap for example.

But if you do know that

it can be exploited massively

[mortal granite]

like it did

right now

[reef talon]

Even if it sounds super lame-o and "you're making my game too easy, ree" this game really could benefit from some basic tutorial for those kinda of players.

the ones that aren't gonna comb wikis or touch the discord

[mortal granite]

with no limit cap, the game will be a little

unstable

[reef talon]

oh no, the limit cap isn't the point

that's a good thing

[knotty sphinx]

It already gets unstable with the cap as it currently is

[reef talon]

I was using it as an example

of meta knowledge

[errant vigil]

I do like people sharing knowledge and testing stuff I can understand people just wanting to be told without having to do extra things to get knowledge

[mortal granite]

you can't really exploit surge alarm tho

if they spice thing up with that alarm

even pros won't stand a chance

[errant vigil]

Hybrids on surge

[knotty sphinx]

People will adapt

[reef talon]

we had a hybrid spawn

[mortal granite]

people will adapt

[reef talon]

on a surge

[knotty sphinx]

Some people just won't be bothered and quit

[reef talon]

o.o

for overload door in d2

[mortal granite]

"charger spawn too hard"

[reef talon]

i can't remember if it was just one though

[mortal granite]

4 of them already make some team losing their mind

[knotty sphinx]

Some of the issue is simply the short timer

[mortal granite]

imagine 30 charger spawn

[reef talon]

30 chargers is just

obnoxious

[knotty sphinx]

It's artificial difficulty

Is all

[reef talon]

you can't strictly kite them well, and you cannot necessarily gun them all down in time

that would strongly depend on how good players are with a gun

which would be a pretty big curveball

I like that I don't need to be xXFPSLEGEND420Xx to play this game competently

and still enjoy the fps stuff

[knotty sphinx]

I think a more interesting spawn would be a randomized one

So it's not just 100% one thing

[errant vigil]

I just think since they spawn instantly after killing a few using any tool other than c-foam on a few doors wastes tool because it'll just spawn more immediately

[mortal granite]

i would like it to spawn in different group

and that's why error alarm was born

[reef talon]

this might be a dumb idea

but imagine an "endless" map

with certain generations

and there could be a board for groups to push the farthest

it would add a lot of replay value for vets too

[mortal granite]

that would crash the game imo

[reef talon]

right, I mean it generates certain areas as you go

obviously if it went too far

it would crash it

but the map can technically go infinitely

it probably wouldn't work with this engine anyway tho...

given that the map is almost entirely loaded initially

[mortal granite]

they need to load the level first

and then let the player drop in

[reef talon]

exactly, that's why I said it probably wont work

[mortal granite]

with this it could mean, checkpoint system

[reef talon]

just wish it could

oh that's true

you could reach your HSU's

to proceed to the next map

[mighty pond]

Infinitesimally is for values that become essentially zero, but not actually zero.. so using that word makes no sense.

[reef talon]

yes, thanks for the correction

meant to be infinitely

[mighty pond]

Figured, just wanted to make sure

[reef talon]

yeah, it could random gen a map for example

based on certain room sets

and enemy sets

you reach your HSU to go to the next map

and so on

[mighty pond]

Random gen would create quite a fair few issues though with the game I feel

[reef talon]

I meant it more to be a creative thing, not something tied to the main rundown system

Like a separate mode.

[mighty pond]

You could quite easily create tile spawns that actually block other spawns, or make doors that would originally go somewhere create useless doors that do nothing

Essentially soft locking progress

[reef talon]

that's why it would require testing o.e

[errant vigil]

Tiles being randomized on every new run would be neat but objs stay the same

[reef talon]

basically like a continuous mode with randomized objectives and maps

[livid stone]

if the hsu is a check Point, then canonically the hsus are 1 a safe space 2 can infinitely resurrect people from long distances 3 resurrection technology is a thing in the world of gtfo and very arbitrary since its spread everywhere in the complex

[reef talon]

you finish a stage, then move to the next

and i never mentioned checkpoints o.e

that's just to reach the next map

[livid stone]

check points good concept, just bad idea

[mortal granite]

i was wondering to put a system like custody mechanic

[reef talon]

it would solve the issue of loading an 'infinite map'

[mortal granite]

like when you down too much, you died

[reef talon]

this could add a new level of challenge too

since you cannot change tools or guns

[knotty sphinx]

So you basically want it to be like payday

[reef talon]

between the next level

It's a suggested system o.e. I obviously don't want the actual rundown format to change.

[turbid cliff]

Marathon modes and random generated levels have been suggested many times in various forms

[livid stone]

tbf have you guys scrolled to the edge of the map? it's fucking huge

[mortal granite]

it was suggested but not much appreciate

[turbid cliff]

Before any actual discussion why not consider the effort it would take and if it's worth doing over other things

[knotty sphinx]

All I'm waiting for at this point is the next batch of content

:x

[livid stone]

kek

manage to solo D2 then Bar?

[reef talon]

I'd say a system that adds repeated replay value is worth doing. But it would strongly depend on the opinion of the wider audience.

[knotty sphinx]

I'm kind of burned out for solo glax

[reef talon]

Obviously it wouldn't be easy or simple to do

[livid stone]

sounds about right, I've been tackling D1 solo myself

still crazy that Wes got it under an hour

[knotty sphinx]

It just seems a lot harder for me than what other people get in their runs for some reason

But that might just be me

Who knows

[livid stone]

different people different skills, that's all i can say

a system that would add replay value

[knotty sphinx]

I'm watching some people bunny hopping around a lot and have pretty choppy aim

[livid stone]

the keyword here is value, what kind of value?

[knotty sphinx]

They get less giants and various other things

So eh

[livid stone]

sounds like the opposite of my E1 luck

[knotty sphinx]

6+ hybrids in E1 spawn

[livid stone]

fucking hybrids everywhere

mood dude

[knotty sphinx]

Always get 2 giants during alarms

While other people get none

I do some other peoples strategies

It just doesn't seem to work out

[errant vigil]

Rng shouldn't matter if you're skilled enough

[livid stone]

bruhh, I've gotten a load of giants

[knotty sphinx]

Tell that to the ammo pool of the guns I use

lol

[livid stone]

i hate it when i get a hybrid on the second S1

while in theory that's true, in actuality it's not

[errant vigil]

I just don't like blaming rng for bad play imo

[knotty sphinx]

Is it really bad play on my end though

[livid stone]

you can be a God, but if you get 6+ hybrids and four dozen enemies in the first zone

you're going down no matter what

[errant vigil]

not really

[livid stone]

especially since the tank spawns in 15 seconds after you drop

there's bad play then there's bad rng

[atomic escarp]

I once got 2 giants and 10+ shooters for the first class 2 alarm in D2, I died of course (because I'm bad) but I was able to kill all the shooters before dying to the giants

[mortal granite]

we got 14+ hybrids in our E1 completion

[livid stone]

both exist, and neither can be denied

[knotty sphinx]

I feel like this conversation is going towards the direction some of the ones in R3 went

[mortal granite]

R3D1 wasn't that much of rng

[errant vigil]

it really wasn't

[knotty sphinx]

Nobody said anything about D1

[livid stone]

the biggest rng in there were your team-mates lol

[knotty sphinx]

I've seen my fair share of ridiculousness in this game

Just because nobody else encounters certain issues

Doesn't mean it doesn't exist

[livid stone]

^

i still like how i once found 3 foam nades on D1 in one locker

was memes

[knotty sphinx]

Sometimes the game does something it's not supposed to

[mortal granite]

it exist

just some people got a massive brain

in 1 of the moment they somehow do the unthinkable

[hollow socket]

I'll add that playing solo is rng dependent even if you can overcome it with skills. But the further down you go, the harder it is

[livid stone]

i find it memes that i managed to take a tank out with a hammer once

[knotty sphinx]

I have an easier time with D2 than B1

Solo

[livid stone]

that seems peculiar

how so?

fog alarm?

[knotty sphinx]

The room divider in the fog makes it so the enemies can spawn banging on your shut and foamed door

[livid stone]

yeahhhh I've had that

[knotty sphinx]

So I don't get much time to do the first big scan

[livid stone]

I've also had enemies bug through and set off mines, blowing up the door

[knotty sphinx]

I always get 2 giants during that alarm

So that can get hairy fast

Since they can spawn right outside the door

They are always right on you

[livid stone]

oof, I'm pretty sure they always do

B1 spawns are just bad

[knotty sphinx]

There will never be anything as bad as R3B2's fog alarm with 4 giants and a room full of spitters

[errant vigil]

I love fog

Requires more coordination and good play

[knotty sphinx]

I don't have an issue with fog

It's just how some of the things in the game go

[errant vigil]

Didn't say you did

Just saying I love fog

[turbid cliff]

The fog alarm didn't have that many spitters, the first alarm however

[knotty sphinx]

Very RNG on the spitters

Sometimes you get a decent layout

Other times you've got 4+ next to your scan

Always getting at least 2+ giants

In a tiny room like that

You can get instantly killed

Playing the game with 2+ players like it's intended?

No sweat at all

[livid stone]

solo problems

[knotty sphinx]

All the giant chargers in the R1C2 final room on C3? 🤣

Even a full group struggles with that

and that's the main objective

[livid stone]

bruh C3 is something else

but i finally learnt how to stealth kill two chargers

so I'm happy about that

[knotty sphinx]

Haha

[modest aspen]

C3 PE be like, Preplan what the fuck to do after Overload so we don't have to use our brains on getting through HIgh without too much shit

[obtuse surge]

Because more experienced players keep complaining about the tank mines.
Remember how much you complained back in R2E1 about the hard part being at the end. C1 is no different, people that aren't that great at the game will get pretty frustrated having to clear nearly all of C1 to then have a tiny bit of practise where they may or may not be able to kill the tank.

Additionally, using tools to clear a fight no matter what fight, shouldn't really be considered cheese. It's just as cheesy as using tools to clear any other threat in this game.

[shy vessel]

^

[obtuse surge]

if tank mines are cheese:

• perma c foam is cheese
• sniper sentries on D1 are cheese
• mine spam on R3A2 extraction are cheese
• ...

[shy vessel]

The level design also lends itself to killing the tank with mines, there literally couldn't be a better setup to kill the tank with mines

[obtuse surge]

If devs don't want us to use mines on the tank, they have to implement explosion resistance. Until that happens, there's absolutely nothing wrong with using mines to kill a tank.

[velvet flower]

I don't think that's how to evaluate something is cheesy, I agree that mine the tank is perfectly fine. But can I using the same argument to say that hammering behind a wall is as cheesy as parkour + hammering?

[obtuse surge]

you can't use that argument no, because spots like that get fixed

which clearly shows that they aren't intended

[velvet flower]

Then how about door glitch?

[obtuse surge]

Pretty sure that's on their list of things they'd want to fix

[velvet flower]

Whether dev is fixing is not a proper way to tell.

[obtuse surge]

I mean

you can't just act as if mining the tank is the same as cheese spots or door silenced shots

it's pretty clear what's a bug and what's not

if you can't see those differences you can take your way of thinking to the extreme and say

that we actually can't do anything ever

because there's never confirmation

that what we're doing isn't a bug

[velvet flower]

Nope, I cannot. I agree your point that mine the tank is fine as I mentioned. But still, I don't agree the argument "It's the same to any other tool usage".

[obtuse surge]

how is it not the same

i use tons of tool to clear tank fight

i use tons of tool to clear alarm

i use tons of tool to clear reactor wave

where's the difference

stop valuing the tank fight so high

there's no reason to

[abstract venture]

Seems fair to me

[velvet flower]

I did not value the tank fight...I said "On the mining the tank part, I agree with you" the 3rd times.

[obtuse surge]

you said it's not the same

and im telling you why it is the same

..?

the only reason you'd disagree that isn't the same

is pretty simple

it means you value the tank fight higher than those other things

[velvet flower]

You said, because of A, so B is true.
I think B is true as well, but not because of A. And I'm exactly telling you that why A is an false argument.

[obtuse surge]

No you didn't

You still haven't said why you think it's not the same

I have told you why I think it's the same

It's a threat in the game and I used my tools to fight it.

[prime valve]

Imo the only exploit around mines would be the mine stacking on a precise spot. Otherwise, mines are just cleverly used.

[velvet flower]

You're saying that using the same resources equals same cheesy degree. No matter how the resources are using.

[obtuse surge]

No

I'm saying the game throws threats at you

And you can use tools to clear those threats

[hollow socket]

he's saying that if you use the ingame tools to do something, even if you use a lot of the said tool, it's not a cheese, cause it's using in-game tools

[obtuse surge]

The act of doing so

Is the same no matter what threat

[hollow socket]

But if you use glitch spot to complete an objective, here we go in the cheese strat

[obtuse surge]

Therefor the statement, if using tools to clear threat x is cheese, using tools to clear threat y is also cheese

The only difference is how high you value said threat

[velvet flower]

There are also differences on HOW you use tools.

[obtuse surge]

Yes but it comes down to spending tool resources on clearing the threat

There's generally no danger in tool setup

I don't think you should add a value to how tool is used in this conclusion lol

You basically want to say that some tool usage would be cheese while others wouldn't be

Using nothing but a personal ranking

Unless that tool usage is abusing some sort of bug, I don't think it matters how the tool is being used.

[atomic escarp]

if you use cheese spots ur weird

and bad

[velvet flower]

Cheesy degree is a thing that is always personal ranking.

Besides something like glitch spot/ door glitch that most community agrees it's a cheese. There's a lot ambiguity on some strat is "cheesy" or not. Like a fair amount of players consider circle kiting or spawn cap manipulation is cheesy.

[obtuse surge]

Yes and that changes nothing to any of the points I've made

If you are convinced that tool usage x is more cheesy than tool usage y, you are allowed to do that

[atomic escarp]

If you abuse the games mechanics for your advantage it would be classified as cheesing but kiting actually takes some degree of intelligence to do, unlike abusing the map to get an advantage.

[obtuse surge]

But instead of responding with a general reply in which you tell me that personal opinions exist, please instead reply with why you think x is more cheesy than y

[atomic escarp]

tool usage isnt cheese and whoever told you that needs to reevaulate

if you wanna use your tool in a certain way, do it. its not cheese unless its clearly stated that what you are using it for is a bug (for example, mine stacking)

[turbid cliff]

Even that is dubious to me, if an enemy has a weakness (made on purpose or not), it's just a smart thing to do to exploit it

[atomic escarp]

Im not saying exploiting an enemys weakness is a bad thing. If you wanna bully big shooters, go ahead. If you wanna use mines on the tank, go ahead. If you wanna choke-mod the mother, go ahead

But exploiting the game for an advantage is wrong.

[turbid cliff]

Didn't intend to say you meant that, it's just something that comes up a lot

Most cheese of that sort is just down to skill, risk, reward

[velvet flower]

I make a refutation, I did not make a counterargument. Well, I'm probably saying something stupid.

[inner torrent]

What's the problem here

Place some mines and kill the tank, ez

[hollow socket]

Glitch and Exploit has always be something communities have hard time defining.
Just look Speed Run, for example the Dark Souls series, and I can assure you the Glitchless category is always talked about the most (compare to All Glitch)
Does IA manipulation is Glitch or not ? Does patern manipulation is glitch ? etc etc

[mortal granite]

you don't manipulate the AI that much when kiting tho

[hollow socket]

I'm just providing context, I don't play for long enough (barely a month) to have strong opinion on what is glitch or not for GTFO

[mortal granite]

is the bug where you drop the cargo in high spawn charger still happen in D2?

[mortal granite]

that was unintentional

but it's still game mechanic

they only create the new enemy, put the damage location on

the sacks are similar to birther

so it is intentional

because if it's not they would have nerf explosion damage on birther

and then do the same with tank

[turbid cliff]

Unintentional doesn't mean cheese or exploit or whatever though

They made a dude, dude goes boom well, players make it go boom

[vapid moon]

Chargers spawning when cargo is dropped is unintentional? I thought that was a legit thing

[remote karma]

Why would it be a glitch? I doubt it could be unintentional. Plus it make this cargo somewhat spicy.

[vapid moon]

Scroll up

is the bug where you drop the cargo in high spawn charger still happen in D2?

[remote karma]

That's the point, I just saw the question. Am I so blind that I missed the entire discussion? :|
Because it's the 1st time I hear this spawn being called a glitch.

[nocturne flax]

I mean its suppose to be shadows only until extract wich spawns chargers

Them spawning them wherever you drop the cargo it would be a glitch

[remote karma]

I just don't get why it's taken as a given in this point. For me it felt quite natural - an interesting mechanic where you can't drop a cargo unless you are okay with charger penalty.

[errant vigil]

Requires you to communicate and plan with team so you can protect cargo man and not get the charger penalty if he goes down or drops cargo

[turbid cliff]

i prefer actual logic myself

we used to have cargo + cargo = bad things

now it's cargo + ground = bad things

warden must be an alchemist of the fucked up sort

[obtuse surge]

it's very likely a bug

probably not a coincidence that it spawns the same enemies that extraction spawns without the cargo

with the exact same quantity

and logic yes

why the fuck would they intentionally do that

[unborn sorrel]

Anyone got a recommended loadout for B3 Overload? We did all of overload and just ran out of juice for terminals and can't really see how to be more ammo efficient.
Our team was
1: HEL rev - Rev - Auto S
2: HEL rev - Burst Cannon - Auto S
3: HEL rev - Shotgun - Sniper S

[obtuse surge]

it's B3 high itself that has little resources

[unborn sorrel]

We were probs going to drop the second auto for C-foam

[obtuse surge]

if you used your overload resources on overload, that should be fine

[unborn sorrel]

Well we assumed it wouldn't be good value to do the alarms for extreme just to get some resources

[obtuse surge]

The uplinks are fast waves of 3

C foaming doors for a 3 wave is a waste

Shooting the same enemy with one shot weapons is a waste

[unborn sorrel]

Yeah we just didn't have any sentries left and couldn't really hold on it

[obtuse surge]

closing doors that have no defence on them is also bad

if you're low on resources, leave doors open and melee/shoot the waves

[unborn sorrel]

so it's better to have an open door and funnel?

that makes sense

I guess they can clump more with closed doors

[obtuse surge]

yes

[unborn sorrel]

alright well we'll just have to give it another bash with that

[obtuse surge]

the weapons you bring don't matter much

[unborn sorrel]

well yeah it seemed like burst cannon did work on the mother

and the supa shooters

but aside from that I'd agree

[craggy orbit]

Burst cannon is chonky

I can't really offer anything in the way of optimal loadouts, but my group did B3PE on a pretty standard spread of guns and tools

No mine deployer though, brought a sniper sentry instead

And no burst cannon, but a sniper rifle

Again, doubt that that's optimal but it got us through it

I'd trust Wes more with this shit lmao

[unborn sorrel]

Yeah I just wasn't sure if there was a way to be more efficient with it, we had like 40% ammo across the board just no sentries after all of overload and the high alarms and it's probably the issue that Wes said where we clumped them and couldn't hold

definitely going to try just leaving a route open for them

[candid dragon]

dont sleep on sniper sentry

try it

[craggy orbit]

Sniper sentry helped a lot for the S1 scan

[unborn sorrel]

we usually take 3 sniper sentries /2 sniper & c-foam haha

[craggy orbit]

The first one, that is

My group always runs bio just 'cause, lmao

[unborn sorrel]

but auto helped hold the S a lot

[craggy orbit]

Auto's real nice for the second one, it's a lot less free-range for the sniper to be effective

[candid dragon]

auto is better left to choke enemies in front of you, sniper for long catwalks and doors

esp if you expect heavies and hybrids

[obtuse surge]

it's about 15s between waves btw

so your team just has to kill 3 strikers every 15s

[unborn sorrel]

yeah that's what we did for the S alarms

and fair enough, it just always seems like more when we do terminals (same for those shadow waves on C2, it seemed like there was like 15 of them when we failed that)

but if it's because they're clumping that would make sense

[obtuse surge]

can still happen with open doors because some could spawn close while others could spawn far

if waves combine just make sure you shoot

[unborn sorrel]

yeah we tried out host spawning them miles away before and found out it wasn't how they worked

if you split up and deal with the three terminals at once does it triple the wave spawns?

[obtuse surge]

people have reported bugs when doing multiple uplinks at the same time this rundown

[unborn sorrel]

actually can you even do that with the codes that pop up

yeah I can imagine

[obtuse surge]

it worked before

i haven't tried it myself this rundown

[unborn sorrel]

that's fair well knowing it's 3 guys every 15s or so makes it sound way more manageable

[candid dragon]

pretty sure the codes work on prox'y to the terminal

[unborn sorrel]

I assumed it was a normal wave

[shrewd flume]

Another week another leak?

👀

[craggy orbit]

òwó

[robust marsh]

please yes

[candid dragon]

give leek

[modest aspen]

It's not just me in B3 High in Zone 41 enemies have weird Spawn locations?

Legit enemies spawned right on top of us

[errant vigil]

Uplink error alarm is zone bound unlike almost every other alarm

So if you try to push spawns out of the zone they will just choose someone to spawn on if there isn't an empty room

[modest aspen]

WELL FUCK THEN, next time I'll keep that in my head

[hollow matrix]

huh thats interesting to know

i remember we did same thing and had same problem tho xD

[glass sundial]

Standard rule: enemies spawn 2 subzones away (some subzones are split without an actual door. Usually an archway or something).

Terminal extra rule: enemies have to spawn in the same zone. The first rule will try to be followed, but will be overriden by this one if no rooms are available

[quick dome]

love enemies spawning in my buttcheeks

[desert shell]

^ mothers birthing be like

[robust marsh]

agree

[atomic escarp]

choke mod the fuckers

[vapid moon]

Can somebody explain how spawn cancelling works? I know its 2 rooms away from an individual but I'm still a little confused on how it works

[queen field]

wdym by spawn cancelling ?

[vapid moon]

Like your in a room, and the wave spawns 2 rooms away from you because they have to spawn 2 rooms away from you

[queen field]

i mean what does "cancelling" have to do with how spawns are done ?

[vapid moon]

I call it spawn cancelling because the wave has to spawn 2 rooms away because your cancelling out the room your in and 1 room out

[queen field]

oh

[dreamy bramble]

what's weird about it?

[queen field]

You meant it that way

ok

[vapid moon]

Nothing weird about it, I'm just confused on how it actually works

That's why I asked

[dreamy bramble]

basically enemies will only spawn 2 rooms away from any individual player

[queen field]

Well, game decides to make enemies spawn 2 rooms away from any player

[dreamy bramble]

however, if players are 2 rooms away, it can spawn on them

[queen field]

Reactors are an exception as they always spawn at the same spots

[dreamy bramble]

cause it spawns waves based on individuals, not on teams as far as i know

[vapid moon]

So does it pick a player to spawn on?

[dreamy bramble]

probably

at least error waves seem to spawn based on individuals for sure

[queen field]

it does

[dreamy bramble]

not sure about regular waves but it would be a pretty safe guess to assume so

[vapid moon]

Ah, thanks for the explanation

[dreamy bramble]

terminal waves also follow the 2 room rule but they only work within a zone

so if you cover too many spawn points they will spawn on top of player/1 room away immediately instead of outside the zone 2 rooms away

[vapid moon]

Ah

[honest ridge]

do things get more epic than A3?

I really liked A3

[severe moat]

E1 is pretty epic

[honest ridge]

It took me almost 2 weeks to get A1 A2 and A3 done

with duo

even tho A1 and A2 was taught to me by a couple of you guys

[pliant shard]

B3 is epic

It’s a tough one but awesome

[buoyant pewter]

it is indeed a built ford tough level

[stray forge]

10/10 ford advertisement :))

[honest ridge]

Also is there a place where I can find where all the logs are?

at least the levels where they are, so I won't miss them by accident

It tend to forget due to all the shooting and panicking

[severe moat]

the gtfo wiki contains all logs, but I'd recommend scouring this after the rundown ends or you finish all levels as you should see finding them as a 'reward'

[subtle vault]

A1 C1 D2 E1 have the audio logs

[honest ridge]

@severe moat @subtle vault thank you!

[severe moat]

❤️

[honest ridge]

and yeah probs gonna try and go through them, and then check if there was any logs

given I am repeating every level at least once

[severe moat]

the terminals with text logs don't make any sound so it'll just be luck based in that sense :P

[craggy orbit]

They’re in consistent locations, I think there’s a steam guide with ‘em all?

[severe moat]

most likely, but might as well just skid through the wiki if you've already beaten the levels :P

[craggy orbit]

Yeahhh

[vapid moon]

yeah d2 pe and b3 pe and especially e1 is epic

[craggy orbit]

B3 PE was streeeessful