The enemies from the motion door can be killed fairly easy, before the scout wave reaches you.
#gtfo-spoiler-chat
hexed vapor
atomic escarp
Yeah but if those hybrids are still up they’ll be a annoyance
Mines won’t reach seeing as how they like to camp at the back so it’s either shotty time or burst cannon time
hexed vapor
I always run high damage specials, so it's just a matter of getting in their face and killing them off.
atomic escarp
You got any info if one full frontal burst to the head from the cannon can kill
obtuse surge
A2 solo is just scary to clear out the first room, and having the fog rise when extracting
The scan is very slow by yourself
obtuse surge
You won't be able to see crawlers anymore at like 80%
atomic escarp
Damn big sad
knotty sphinx
Eh
RNG matters
Simply because you can get very bad scans for alarms
Which means you die
mortal granite
which means you need to git gud
if you only wait for RNG to help you out
just make a mod that make every single rng spawn c foam grenade
and every scan is in 1 spot and you don't need to move
trim holly
that gian birther wtf
mortal granite
yes
rapid pulsar
but I feel like D1 would be fine if they just add a dedicated spawn spot into the level
like r2c2 didn't have any issues what so ever with spawns
so unsure with what's happening
c2*
prisma yew
So yeah stuck on a mission with a reactor, where you gotta start it up and do like 6 tests or something. I thought it was R3C1 but it was on the first tier of the rundown.
mortal granite
it used the same spawn as C2
but with a little delay with the Giant
they spawned 4 enemies
and then 5 - 10 seconds later they spawn giant
prisma yew
Literally survive til the last "wave" but run out of ammunition at last few waves.
abstract gulch
Oh on a3?
rapid pulsar
What I mean those level didn't have any issues with the game directory spawning the enemies a fair distance away from the player in spite of the cramped spawn
abstract gulch
A3 was a total memefest because we had it on such a hard lockdown lol
rapid pulsar
So why is it suck a problem with mobs spawning literally in the same room with us
prisma yew
I think it's a3. Like where U gotta find the logs for the pass
rapid pulsar
(I'm talking about D1)
mortal granite
because they can't spawn anywhere else
rapid pulsar
A3 was baby easy lol
abstract gulch
That's a3
mortal granite
you can do the same thing with R2C2
knotty sphinx
It's not a simple matter of "get good"
prisma yew
We just run out so quickly even being sparinging with ammunition.
rapid pulsar
No but in r2c3 there wasn't issues with mobs spawning literal same zone
knotty sphinx
In fact, that makes you look stupid
mortal granite
i can force the spawn to spawn on top of you
abstract gulch
Are you looting while you clear the areas looking for passwords?
prisma yew
Yeah we are.
mortal granite
the "RNG is on my side" is kinda old excuses
abstract gulch
Also I feel like a good place to start is to analyse where you're holding and setting up
prisma yew
We are clearing it all out.
knotty sphinx
If it takes so long for a scan to stop so you can do it.
abstract gulch
Cause the set up my team used funneled everything into a straight line
prisma yew
We hold out in the door.
mortal granite
it is
abstract gulch
I can show you the hold I did rq if you want.
mortal granite
just sentries jokah
rapid pulsar
D1 also seems to heavy the alarm check desync bug? I ran into it 3/4 times when running it during the Sec_door past the blood door
prisma yew
If it doesn't require me loading into the game sure lol
prisma yew
I'm not at PC rn
prisma yew
Maybe another time if things link up
mortal granite
they have a chance to spawn in there now
prisma yew
What loadout do you run?
mortal granite
idk Jokah
abstract gulch
I'll send the a3 one to you
mortal granite
we're just blasting through the level with stupid load out
rapid pulsar
I've literally wiped once cause was doing the first security door and a giant spawned in the foggy area in the corner.
knotty sphinx
Everything is easier with a crew
abstract gulch
Not everyone can meme on a3 and that's okay
prisma yew
Thanks. I use combat shotgun, SMG burst sentry. So maybe that uses too much ammo.
abstract gulch
That's why we teach.
prisma yew
We're fairly new to this game lol
abstract gulch
Smg is a rock solid choice as is combat shotty
mortal granite
your excuse is the same thing with the other guy who said E1 is heavy RNG
prisma yew
Still learning and going through figuring what works and doesn't.
prisma yew
Yeah been using since we first played seems to work well.
knotty sphinx
Get good alpha
atomic escarp
what in gods name is even being argued
rapid pulsar
A3 all you have to do is set up the lower door in front of spawn being closed with the upper door open. Two Sentires on adjacent sides and the waves should be a breeze granted yall can aim
mortal granite
and RNG at the same time
rapid pulsar
@atomic escarp I would disagree, it's gotten to the point where the randomness is getting in the way of its enjoyment lol
only certain amount of times brutes popping around a corner and chunk me
atomic escarp
the only time RNG has completely fucked me off in d1 was zone 393 with 2 scouts behind 4-6 sleeping hybrids, and the rest sleeping meele giants.
mortal granite
the big titan is a little buggy spawn
atomic escarp
was the worst ive ever seen
knotty sphinx
Which D1? R3?
rapid pulsar
little
atomic escarp
yeah r3
abstract gulch
Yeah the big striker spawns in r3d1 are a bit oof.
atomic escarp
2 scouts at the furthest back part of 393
mortal granite
i can shotgun both of them
atomic escarp
after the fog bridge
rapid pulsar
literally got chunked while checking the terminal by a sneaky one after clearing the first hoard
atomic escarp
behind walls of sleeping hybrids and giants
rapid pulsar
nonesense
abstract gulch
But my team had two people who's job it was to fight them while the others would cover.
mortal granite
@rapid pulsar where?
abstract gulch
So we had it worked out.
rapid pulsar
at spawn
knotty sphinx
Only issue I've had with D1 so far was the end.
rapid pulsar
too look for the key
atomic escarp
the very end of d1 is easy because you have so much room to fall back
you can just hammer choke and fall back repeatedly
abstract gulch
A big striker likes to spawn on a delay in front of the blood door from my experience lol
atomic escarp
the only way to lose the very end is if you have people who try to stand their ground
abstract gulch
Are you referring to the big fuck at the end or the last blood door?
knotty sphinx
Tongue attack before the enemy is even in the position of attacking you
atomic escarp
the last blood door
rapid pulsar
I also have the issue with the bug where the map doesn't load when passing through broken doors countless times as well on D1
abstract gulch
Last blood door was really funny lmao
rapid pulsar
only to find a sneaky brute again 😩
abstract gulch
We were still loaded for ammo so we just fell back to the warden door and unloaded
atomic escarp
before that door in d1 I thought the armory in c1 was bad
abstract gulch
We got kinda lucky on the enemy before said blood door because it cornered itself on the staircase by the door and we bum rushed it.
Running the pump shotgun really payed off.
atomic escarp
Armoury in C1 was great what you going on about sushi
abstract gulch
Our time with the C1 error wasn't that bad actually
mortal granite
if you can rushed in and take the sample as quick as possible
abstract gulch
We spent maybe a full minute looking for it
But we were well prepared
We had 3 people search the room and I stayed back keeping the doors clear and foam up.
With sentries on the outside.
atomic escarp
The C1 error doors are pretty balanced and fun honestly
You’ll only get around 4 chargers each wave spawn
mortal granite
3
abstract gulch
Plus there's no forced walk object so once oyure clear of a wave you can just haul ass to spawn
mortal granite
and they spawn in random location
so if you saw a charger right next to you
that the broken random spawn
abstract gulch
Also I just loaded into A3 to show joker some stuff i meant and after being in D1 for 3 days
Its kinda whiplash to suddenly have the spawn room have NO enemies
Imo the hardest part of D1 is figuring out the what and where of the level.
Once you have that down I'd say the hardest part is the blood door near the start and the fight immediately after putting the thing in the link
mortal granite
the hardest part of D1 is to maneuver fast
don't get swarm by enemies
the hardest part for solo player is the last bloody door
you can skip boss fight
i'm not even joking
no
you can skip her
if you run really fast to the pillar
on the right or the left
you can literally skip her
she don't do shit
speedrun strat
rapid pulsar
I really want to see the big gal
zenith crystal
@rapid pulsar Do you want a picture
rapid pulsar
ehhh nah. I'll pray and hope I get to her one of these days lol
Also really glad that the devs managed to make boss's work in a game like this
zenith crystal
Thats why i like R3 so much
abstract gulch
If you can get it to corner itself you can rush it with the whole team and a fog turbine and put it down pretty quick.
rapid pulsar
R3 is pretty nice yeah, all the new Guns/Tools and boss mechanic. Though the reused content from previous rundowns has me a little sad
zenith crystal
Well for players who didnt get to play r2 i understand their want for the past rundown
Also if they focused on game modes they probably wouldnt have worked on all the cool new stuff we have
abstract gulch
I didn't get to play R1 lmao and played only about half of R2.
I'm not to upset about not being able to play them, but part of me hopes maybe one day when the game is concluded they will open up the past rundowns.
sage shore
does the error alarm on C1 constantly spawn enemies?
or is it just one alarm door and done
subtle vault
constantly spawn enemies
sage shore
groovy
subtle vault
aka ||chargers||
abstract gulch
I'm curious, weren't those in R1? Is there a reason they're considered a spoiler still?
subtle vault
Some people have not seen them yet
devout river
Niceee we beat R3B1
queen nymph
Good job @devout river
devout river
Idk I thought that would be harder due to the experiences from previous attempts but that one went really smooth aside from a scout getting alerted
I mean to be fair that scout alert killed 3 of us but eh it was fineeeee
devout river
Welp just went to look around B2 and it looks kind of annoying
fluid pelican
@mortal granite Is there a video of people skipping the Mother? Id like to see thyis myself
unkempt crater
has anyone beat C1?
me and a team got to the door to zone 20
when we did the alarm door, there was one small zone for us to capture, then the door unlocked
but spiky bois kept coming and there was an alarm
ok
cuz we opened the door and immediately the chargers inside went off
and a scout
and we dieded
golden moss
do uplink terminals still only spawn waves within the same zone?
mortal granite
yes
torpid turtle
On wave 6 of r3a3 do they come from behind us?
abstract gulch
They can.
They probably won't always but they can
When I did A3 ||we only got i think one wave behind us which we had covered pretty easily since we expected it and heard it coming.||
torpid turtle
oh ok ty
nocturne flax
am
D1 i disconnected because my internet went off my team was on the baby room, and when i rejoined it spawn me inside the ||mother||
abstract gulch
I feel bad for the spreadsheet guy having to try and get numbers on that thing lmao
mortal granite
on what?
mighty pond
It's not entirely hard to get the numbers for the spreadsheet, just time consuming and good on Ray for doing it so I didn't ever have to lol
twilit agate
In C1, is it always worth going into Zone 14 or whatever the supply room is?
Or are there more enemies there
mortal granite
that's your choice
it has a lot of resources
but
a lot of sleeper as well
and a scout
zenith crystal
generally my team has gone in the room because we run low towards the end
also it is worth it if you can kill the scout without triggering it
twilit agate
okay
mighty pond
If your group can kill scouts it's basically always worth going to the storage room
static steeple
mortal granite
GOTTA DELETE FAST
mighty pond
Sam on the hunt
mortal granite
about 18 or more next room + scout
mighty pond
Not always Captain
It's rather consistent I see only 10 or so in one of the rooms, and scout can be in either of the two portions of the zone
atomic escarp
No one: spams
Sam: 👁️ 👄 👁️ DELETE
mortal granite
YOU'RE ALREADY DELETED
white zealot
Man I wish I could make it through R3B2
Team just runs out of ammo right at the momma and we got nothing to fight it with
nocturne flax
c faom her
atomic escarp
Do you guys shoot it's bubbles on it's body
white zealot
Yeah next time I'll see about being sure to do that, right now it's just a matter of getting ammopacks and not getting screwed by the waves
dusky sluice
learned the easiest way is just creep towards the mother
dont bother with anything else in the room until she is c foamed and killed
unless you get screwed by rng in the first room or spawns in the fog area you should be ok with resources as that alarm before mom isnt terrible
crisp vapor
Slight tweak on A3 ending waves (was unintentionally a bit too hard) - meaning the guys spawning behind you?
crisp vapor
No idea how much were in R2
Last wave did feel a bit overwhelming if you weren't prepared for it, so nice they tweaked it
shy vessel
forest horizon
Still trying to solo it lol
atomic escarp
can you kill the big striker in silence?
Yes but you need 3-4 people hitting it
Preferably in the back
lavish fossil
tbh A3 was totally easy. I don't quite get the nerf here. But they said "unintentionally", so that is okay.
mortal granite
it's A tier
and the data of A3
will be send to the devs to figure out if they need to nerf it or not
and they did
sage shore
Which one is A3? Is that bolt?
mortal granite
ye
sage shore
Huh... alrighty. Idk I think this run down has been pretty tame so far. My normal group has gone through everything and got to Bianhua in one night
rain heron
Huh... alrighty. Idk I think this run down has been pretty tame so far. My normal group has gone through everything and got to Bianhua in one night
@sage shore dude, what a hardcore XD
sage shore
I mean the only thing we failed on was C1 when we accidentally triggered a giant and KO’d everybody and then I ran away and got ganked by a pulled room+Sout in heavy fog.
I can see people who are new to GTFO finding the lower levels difficult since they’re just watered down Triangulation and D2 but these earlier levels with 4 shotgun sentries and your run of the mill weapons should make easy work of each encounter as long as you’re not double tapping enemies
mortal granite
A3 are the same as R1C1
just 4 sentries and you can just win
we beat A3 with random loadout
2 sentries 1 mine and 1 bio
opaque robin
What was changed In A3? The spawns from behind?
woven ice
I think I got through all A levels first try. Still stuck on C1 currently
woven ice
D1 enemy spawn rate should be fixed now.
smoky dove
Doesn't feel like it
woven ice
Make sure ur version up to date. Should be a bit better to play
sage shore
C1 is the only mission this run down where I think there was some level of challenge with resources. Like we couldn’t just demolish everything with overwhelming fire superiority we actually had to stealth and take out rooms and then after the first alarm door we started destroying everything with fire superiority. I’m excited to see D1 today, maybe it’ll be as challenging as everyone says
honest mortar
I enjoyed this rundown a lot, and I hope that it draws in a lot of new players. However, the finale of C1 was the only time I found any difficulty in it. It remains my favorite part.
turbid cliff
just got 4 scouts in zone 13
haughty sage
the more scouts the better honestly
as long as you don't get screwed by 1 million sleeper spawns, because that's...less fun
chilly cargo
4 scouts? ahhh the good old 6 scouts in a room xD
obtuse surge
C1 has an optional zone packed with resources which you probably didn't go to @sage shore
zone 14, requires a key that's located in zone 13
does not have an alarm but can have 1-2 scouts
Does anyone know the specifics of A3 changes 👀
mossy yoke
I think the sleepers do
haughty sage
wish we had that room from r2b2
slow steppe
Glad they patched the stuck spot in d1 389..that was annoying
brittle crescent
👀
obtuse surge
died on 6/6 A3 solo because i took too long at the alarm and ended up not being able to loot tool refill 
turns out wave 6 without any tool kinda sucks
desert crescent
Omg how does someone do b1 solo
I got 3/4 on the uplink terminal and died
For the first terminal
pastel ice
If reloading when sprinting was a thing that would be nice.
But I would restrict it to lighter weapons.
terse galleon
When you say kiting do you mean melee kiting or with kiting with bullets @craggy flame
craggy flame
I mean kiting in running to the spawn with the wave and running back to get some valuable time to do scans or terminals. Kiting with bullets can be used to get rid of naruto runners or when the alarm is done
pastel ice
Do you mean kiting or training?
craggy flame
Well you definetly train for a marathon^^
eternal acorn
when you've played A3 so many times that u know all the randomly generated 4 letter words possible
and can just trial and error them
craggy flame
Arent there like 200?
obtuse surge
more
craggy flame
Well A3 is not R2D2. So it is not the worst experience to just search for them. Also you find good stuff^^
silver flare
Fixed a bug where too many enemies would spawn on during a specific sequence on D1
is this mean nerfed?
noble shadow
I saw Gold twice and Taco once on the passwords
even saw Epic
the final password before we passed the level was "omen"
never a more fitting word
rapid pulsar
Fixed a bug where too many enemies would spawn on during a specific sequence on D1.
Heck yeah
noble shadow
honestly i felt D1 was perfect
glass sierra
multiple moms spawning is bad tbh
noble shadow
felt challenging but not unfair
noble shadow
oh yeh i get it's unintentional but maybe i never experienced the bug either
what was the bug specifically?
craggy flame
After you put in the baby in D1 there was chance of multiple birther spawning instead of just one
noble shadow
it's at this point i realize it says D1 not A1
kek
haven't encountered a birther yet
craggy flame
Well how unfortunate xD
noble shadow
shadows scare me more
haven't seen one yet either but i hate enemies i can't see
especially when the fog already gets up in my shit
craggy flame
So you have never played against them and you still hate them? Give them a chance^^
noble shadow
just going off other games i've played
noble shadow
i just finished DS2 again and the invisible enemies in it are my least favorite mobs
haughty sage
birther is worse than shadows. mebbe not the giants
noble shadow
giants aren't an issue for me
haughty sage
giant shadows
craggy flame
he meant shadow giants
craggy flame
yes R2E1 had invisible giants
haughty sage
and they were super fast
noble shadow
what
glass sierra
lol, play the game before you roll into the spoiler chat
haughty sage
fun indeed
craggy flame
no that was the error door
noble shadow
i'm not messed with spoilers tbh
craggy flame
almost never failed against them
Sometimes went in without tracker xD
that was annoying
haughty sage
yeah the giants are easy, just somewhat tedious if you're not....cheesing
well ez with bio
craggy flame
Sometimes we just aggored them and killed them with mines
noble shadow
they see the lights on the screen and instead of saying "oh look, 7 sleeping enemies" they're like "OH NO BOIS 7 SLEEPERS IN THIS OTHER ROOM"
haughty sage
there's not an obvious 4th tool to take so whatever
noble shadow
i don't know how my team makes an object of immense use into an omen
noble shadow
has anyone else just had a scout trigger for 0 reason?
because there was this 1 room in A3 and nearly everytime we went to it the scout would trigger in the other room even though no-one was near it
obtuse surge
or 2 scouts
craggy flame
Well 7 enemies are cute.^^
noble shadow
what? a scout can just trigger for no reason?
craggy flame
Just kill them. Stealth should work against 7. Doubt they are on one spot
noble shadow
C-foam is quite handy if you know you've got alarm doors coming
you can clear the alarms before the mobs even break a door
craggy flame
The 4th can be whatever. Most of the time I like to go 1 mine, 1 foam 1 Sentry and 1 whatever.
craggy flame
Wasnt rly talking about E1. That loadout is for most other maps. E1 was a tracker, 2 sentries and a mine. On R2C1 we went 2 foam and 2 mines tbh
noble shadow
I think stealth is our main issue right now, 1 person can screw the entire pooch for everyone and it's hard to keep in check when that 1 person also half listens to advice
haughty sage
c1 is way easier with bio and turrets
craggy flame
R2C1 was not
noble shadow
this game is advertised as 1 of patience and listening
this moron thinks he can half ass his experience
haughty sage
yes it was
craggy flame
turrets were useless there
haughty sage
lolno
craggy flame
we never broke a sweat with 2 foam and 2 mines.
craggy flame
Mines in the right hand are prolly the strongest tool
Also the go-to tool for solo plays
noble shadow
I knew this as soon as i tried it out but it's honestly a hard tool to make use with in A1
well, the A-layer
haughty sage
mines are not good for waves like in a3
a2 you get trip mines so also pointless
or nearly
craggy flame
In A2 they are the best cause of the trap doors
noble shadow
i guess because the enemy design is basic in their attack patterns and mines are ideally better used when one has some finesse with it
craggy flame
In A3 they are good too for the last wave and the alarm (pre nerf though)
noble shadow
oh yes, mine launcher in A2 was boss on those security doors
combo'd with 2 sentries too
enemies never stood a chance
haughty sage
ok I'd like to see a mine launcher tool, that'd be hawt
noble shadow
as in, a mine shooter?
it'd be funner to use than "click on spot you would like it"
glacial crescent
:3
dreamy bramble
datacenter could make for some cool new objectives
pallid salmon
more things that make noise would be fun
craggy summit
R4 might be a continuation from R3, and probably is around the same length
pallid salmon
would be interesting to see what is pulled out of the nFrame...
craggy summit
Seems like its gonna be around the same size as R3 so it will probably release not too long from now
mossy yoke
it'll be a bit before R4 comes out. Keep in mind, summer vacations are starting and Sweden tends to take a bit longer ones
craggy summit
Oh yeah I forgot about that lol
Well it's nice that they updated the roadmap this early, didn't expect an update on R4 so soon
turbid cliff
Devs will be on vacation?
craggy summit
pretty sure they said something about pushing R3 out before their vacation so they have time to troubleshoot any bugs for a bit before they go off
brittle crescent
👀
mossy yoke
correct.
slow steppe
should we expect an addition to R3 like r2? or is this the end?
based on roadmap r3 i assume this is it?
forest horizon
it could go either way
But I get the feeling R4 will be as short as R3
so a new enemy, new weapons, new map, but thats about it
and its basically guaranteed a bunch of levels that barely use the new tiles
mossy yoke
R3 is all the expeditions that are made available
forest horizon
I think the warden restriction thing was just them testing the waters feature wise
slow steppe
thx
brittle crescent
🤔 I think small short RD could revive (?) the community
nonono
not revive
keep attention?
(Lack of language)
🤪
forest horizon
I'd personally rather they focus a bit more on features than new rundowns
forest horizon
lol
brittle crescent
🤪
glass sundial
2 levels with many bugs
brittle crescent
kusa
glass sundial
Looks like Dauda picked up the objective and now Bishop is holding it somehow
forest horizon
Whole rundown is a single expedition where there are shadow scouts
and nothing else
glass sundial
Wait now the objective despawned
brittle crescent
glass sundial
Now an unintended error alarm started and only is playing the alarm noise for the host
brittle crescent
GTBUGO?
glass sundial
I think the levels might need a bit of testing before release, especially if many new features are implemented
With new features comes new bugs 
glass sundial
Fair point
glass sundial
Basically, 90% of lobbies were exploit spamming
forest horizon
Thats kind of why I want them to focus more on features
brittle crescent
grass
glass sundial
So much so that spamming exploits is the only way to describe how awful it was
atomic escarp
It's honnor to be apart of that small percentage that did it legit ;)
slow steppe
90% might be a bit high, but there was definitely a lot of non-legit
glass sundial
1 person goes down, everyone else runs to an exploit spot where they are invincible
brittle crescent
R2D2 is enough for me
forest horizon
cause new rundowns tend to just make newer players aware of how much content they missed out on, so the value proposition is kind of fucked
brittle crescent
🤪
glass sundial
I think if by the official 1.0 launch I'd like to see
Short rundown (5-7 levels): 2-3 weeks, depending on difficulty
Medium rundown (8-9 levels): 1 month
Large rundown (10+): 45 days
glass sundial
But that's probably asking too much for a small team. But if most/all major features are already developed and fleshed out, only maps really need to be made. Occasionally new equipment potentially
brittle crescent
:thonk
glass sundial
Until they decide otherwise, the Rundown system is here to stay
mossy yoke
rundowns are a core part of the game
forest horizon
ideally after a certain point there won't be a need to make new maps
brittle crescent
oh
mossy yoke
they will keep changing
brittle crescent
I mean the numbers
glass sundial
If the tools they develop for map designed are more fleshed out, they could literally randomize levels
forest horizon
just keep reshuffling the huge pool of rooms to make interesting levels
glass sundial
That's the whole point of using a tile system, right?
glass sundial
Generate a level, then manually redesign it from there to suit expectations
west crow
did the 4x damage bug exist in previous rundowns?
glass sundial
It probably did
forest horizon
I hope so, because that would be hilarious
forest horizon
So they fix shotgun sentries but still don't fix how burst is garbo
west crow
nonono
they made it so both tools are fundamentally useless
see it's a buff to the burst
forest horizon
LOL
glass sundial
It only really got nerfed against large enemies
forest horizon
I mean, unlike the burst it actually kills things lmfao
west crow
if you thought burst sentry ran out of ammo quickly
enjoy the 2 seconds of full auto sentry ammo
brittle crescent
XD
craggy summit
didn't the old gameplay video feature a full auto sentry?
brittle crescent
let it burn for maximum dmg
forest horizon
actually, make it so it misses all its shots because the whole time it was trying to teamkill
glass sundial
To answer your previous question name with letters I can't pronounce, R3 is version 0.25, so R10 probably will be before 1.0 launch
mellow creek
i hope r4 is harder
brittle crescent
🤔
glass sundial
I agree, I like brutal missions
forest horizon
r3 got beaten by a lot of people on the same day
west crow
well it technically might be since they'll vault the shotgun sentry
mellow creek
or yeah brutal difficulty
glass sundial
Less ammo
west crow
assuming they might
craggy summit
A level that pounds your behind lmao
glass sundial
Lol
forest horizon
new rundown should AT LEAST take a few days for the vets to beat
glass sundial
I don't think that's possible neon
west crow
but before they add that difficulty change I think the movement speed, attack speed and range increase that apparently does not exist needs to be addressed
glass sundial
If it's that hard, new players likely won't even clear half of it and really miss out on the experience
mellow creek
i hope theres a difficulty settings
glass sundial
A "hard mode" type setting would be better
atomic escarp
E1 made people very good at the game.
forest horizon
E1 was a mistake lul
glass sundial
Amped enemy spawns, more hybrids, giants, scouts per zone, less ammo and tools
forest horizon
now everybody compares everything to E1
mellow creek
imagine waiting 2 months to play a game that u finish in a day
hahaha
and u have to wait another 2 months
craggy summit
pretty hard to balance rundowns since they need to make it decently hard for new players and murderously difficult so the vets have some fun too
mellow creek
😆
forest horizon
give it more health
craggy summit
wouldn't be good if they made it all easy, kinda takes the hardcore aspect away
forest horizon
if the final boss dies in 7 seconds, thats a bit anticlimatic lol
mellow creek
yeaaaaa
atomic escarp
@mellow creek They have it on their roadmap.
mellow creek
isit possible to open the door to 393 before putting the baby?
west crow
if they made the game just a set of 8 e1 levels the game would shy away new casual players and you then lose an entire market
the biggest mistake of this rundown is to include 3 a1 levels instead of having more difficult lower tier levels
glass sundial
but it was more fun pre nerf
mellow creek
e1 is suppose to be hard
west crow
dying on d1 for being in the fog too long wasn't fun
craggy summit
it was hard, but not in a good way
glass sundial
Poppers just need to glow in fog the way hack crates do. Problem solved, honestly
atomic escarp
R3 is perfect for new players but if they add a hard mode for veterans. It's a win-win for everyone.
craggy summit
would've been ok if the difficulty was the same, but it wasn't reliant on rng and long padded levels
forest horizon
E1 was too dependent on rng that either made it really easy, or too hard which isn't good balance
glass sundial
I mean we beat it even with near rock bottom RNG at the end
forest horizon
I think the error in D1 works really well
mellow creek
r3d1 will be hard if the boss activates the spores in the environment
glass sundial
But we are humans, nearly flawless performance should not be expected
mellow creek
instead of spawning it
forest horizon
the only shitty thing is the ridiculous spawns sometimes
craggy summit
I mean no matter how hard you try to make a hardcore game
there is gonna be a group of people that somehow beat it in a day
glass sundial
I haven't experience quite the same drastic difference in spawning pools of enemies
Like how R2C1 could have no enemies until the big hack door
Then play again and every room is infested and there's 3 scouts in the first room
I've experienced a lot less of that ridiculous RNG this Rundown
west crow
pre patch c1 was littered with scouts, pre patch c2 had a 3? scan in the fog, pre patch d1 had death from standing in the fog a little too long
surge doors seem to be an e1 level thing, at least for the time being
but they did bring back class alarms, so who knows
glass sundial
I don't recall ever going down to fog specifically
mellow creek
there was a certain door alarm colour b4 they nerfed it btw
glass sundial
I remember distinctly getting popped a lot though lmao
mossy yoke
o.0 purple scan
atomic escarp
The door at the end of D1 would be nice varient of the blood door where lots spawn.
west crow
called out...
atomic escarp
Like a big horde the rushes you.
glass sundial
Yeah a huge swarm of strikers
That was fun. I usually have a HEL weapon so I get multi kills there
The little green scans?
craggy summit
rainbow scans: surge alarms except they are all giant strikers that naruto run at you
glass sundial
Those were weird. R1C1 and R1D1 seemed to have a lot of experimental scans
All the levels prior as well as C2 only had the splitting 4 red scans
Then suddenly big scans out of nowhere
glass sundial
Well, A1, B1, and B2 only had the 4 red scans. C1 has green security scans to open doors instead of a team scan, C2 was back to 4 red scans
Then D1 introduced the large red slow scans. It was just weird at the time. Now they're in pretty much every mission
mellow creek
the old terminal in prealpha looks legit
more incline to the rundown atmosphere of the game
instead of the green one right now
ashen bloom
if you have 2 security scans open on D1 but only need to open 1 door does that matter if you dont do the other scan ? does it spawn twice as many mobs?
@atomic escarp
if the door has a alarm then the mobs will spawn for that alarm. you don't need to open both doors, you'll need to open the door that has the key card.
young surge
i wish i connected the idea of Class Error alarms with C1 before i used it
r2c2 rather
atomic escarp
I was asking because when you start D1 its already spawning non stop waves , so if both were poped 389 -390 i was told they would spawn twice as many monsters per wave . considering we are already getting non stop waves as it is , if that increased the amount that spawn at once. it just didnt make sense to me considering its already non stop waves and i wanted to confirm it.
mellow creek
the wave the alarm spawn is mostly the same as per other alarms
its the insertion of the constant spawn of 4 sleepers+ 1 giant
every 45sec*mixed in
glass sundial
Alarm doors used to have their own individual spawn caps. Haven't tested if it's different now
atomic escarp
okay makes sense
glass sundial
Simultaneously opening several alarm doors would cause massive waves
atomic escarp
thanks for clarifying
mighty pond
But Zaero, it's fun to pull both doors at the same time 😫
forest horizon
If you do the teams scan for 390 then 89 cfoam guy can still be the second team scan and do the door at the same time
mighty pond
Yep
atomic escarp
from #patch-notes
- Slight tweak on A3 ending waves (was unintentionally a bit too hard)
what is ludvig talking about here? Was A3 all that hard for you guys?
eternal acorn
The last wave was a fairly big spike in difficulty compared to the others
Mostly bc it would spawn a significant amount of chargers
But it wasn't that difficult
Maybe more difficult than the devs imagined for A tho
turbid cliff
it was a pretty big spike in difficulty between A3 and the other two
eternal acorn
Ye
mighty pond
Damn dude we must have gotten the easy mode release Hunter
Where can I refund the game so I get the hard mode one instead?
atomic escarp
A2 was the hardest A level imo
on the 1/3/5/6 test, 20 chargers spawn in a wave
@atomic escarp your A3 and my A3 seem to be very different
i had 0 spikey boys on A3 
the worst i had was a few hybrid boys sprinkled in
i wish there were chargers in A3, those guys are fun and scare the shit out of people who havent played rundown 1
devout river
There was not
mighty pond
I'm pretty sure in the case of charger being said it was meant as the Naruto striker bois
pliant shard
You guys have to understand warden is the biggest troll known in gtfo
So take everything with a grain of salt
pulsar shuttle
you clearly have never known about ludvigs alt
atomic escarp
It feels that they have been slower post patch
knotty sphinx
They don't seem much slower to me at all
That's from playing before this mornings patch and after
atomic escarp
Or I just got better at kiting/dodging
knotty sphinx
The movement speed seems about the same. Maybe the attacks are delayed a tiny bit
knotty sphinx
I'd rather be able to do that than get combo'd out every single time.
Prepatch I got hit by 4 strikers and finished off by a shooter trying to get away
atomic escarp
F
Shooters are hell to kite
I still can't balance running and hammering when I kite
which leads me to take more damage than needed
knotty sphinx
mm
devout river
Well
First B2 attempt
We got to the room with the mother and then proceeded to alert it and we all died
eternal acorn
Same
devout river
That was my first time actually seeing the mother which was cool I guess
eternal acorn
It didn't help that we were all at 15% bc we got infected
devout river
Yea most of us were low
infection was not that bad cause we got the turbine but the spitters in the rooms before the mother room still infected us a decent bit
eternal acorn
We regretted using our repellers too early
atomic escarp
If one can bring C-foam you can kill the mother even before it releases its children
eternal acorn
And the other 3 have to not suck
knotty sphinx
lol
devout river
And I hit it with like 3/4 of my C-foam burst
But then it moved at the end and the rest missed it
eternal acorn
I actually kinda want to try b2 again
devout river
Yea I kinda liked it
eternal acorn
It's everything I hate all wrapped into one level
devout river
my friend did not like it
eternal acorn
I'm a little ahead of my friend group, rn we're stuck on c1
But when we get there as a group
They'll all want to kill the devs for making B2
devout river
I mean I understand people finding it annoying
atomic escarp
They're gonna lose their shit in D1
atomic escarp
^
devout river
It has infection fog, spitters, spitters in infection fog, alarm doors in fog, mothers
eternal acorn
Scouts in infection fog
haughty sage
the scout there is fun
devout river
Yea
atomic escarp
Do you open both doors in the first area warden?
devout river
we meleed the scout tho
eternal acorn
Big strikers in infection fog
haughty sage
you can mostly ignore those
eternal acorn
It's fun to take those down tho
haughty sage
scout in fog is a great thing, as long as sleeper rng isn't too bad
often the scout is alone in the first room which is kinda pointless
atomic escarp
If you want a challenge, just use 4 pistol/sniper only with 2 burst sentries max. On D1.
haughty sage
4 biotrackers
eternal acorn
lmao
devout river
No the big guys in fog are not fun to take down
we killed like 3 of them and skipped the rest
atomic escarp
I usually just flash it to make it glow
eternal acorn
it gives me an excuse to yell "YEET"
and they have my volume up bc gtfo sounds are loud af
its the best
devout river
Yeah idk my friend was completely dedicated to beating R3 before we tried B2
And then we tried B2 and he was like maybe we do not have to beat the rundown
atomic escarp
Bruh
I don't play harder levels cause I think I'm not good enough to carry my own weight
like C-D in R3
Plus R3B2 is fun
atomic escarp
apart from the occasional scan looping from the fog then up the stairs again
eternal acorn
i want to clear the entire rundown
atomic escarp
same
eternal acorn
i started like 10 days before R2 ended, and was upset bc i was way too much of a noob to even get past B levels
devout river
Yea I could have gotten farther in R2 if I played more
atomic escarp
R1D1 was the best at scaring me the most
eternal acorn
i think i'm gonna need a good group for b2 tho
atomic escarp
cause when in the reactor sequence you fight shadows
I've done all 3 Rundowns legit ;))
Enough of me being an asshole beside, you'll for sure get there. There a skill cap you hit, and suddenly everything becomes a whole lot more manageable.
zenith crystal
C1 was the scariest
craggy flame
The atomsphere after shutting down the reactor was just amazing (R1D1). Everything went dark and the music stopped.
zenith crystal
that scream though
atomic escarp
And you have to fight them IN PITCH BLACK DARKNESS
zenith crystal
got me every time
frail elbow
jazz music cuts out
eternal acorn
i missed out
craggy flame
R2D1 would have been so much more cooler and difficult cause of the fog.^^
devout river
Yep
Yea Idk I wish I would have played more in the previous rundowns
Like I have had the game since like halfway through R1 but I just did not play very much for some reason
coarse gate
any tips for completing b2? like tricks or something, or just a tip 😛
atomic escarp
@coarse gate Try not to die.
scarlet quiver
frank mauve
dusky sluice
suprisingly have been having more difficult with b1 than b2
always just run out of resources at the end and cant survive the final uplink/alarm
haughty sage
dying on the way back is probably a result of going too fast
the waves are tiny, kill them then go
for b1 the resources are adequate, though not plentiful for 4 players, especially tool. Only really enough for 2 sentries if you use them for everything
devout river
Honestly the time we beat B1 we had 3 shotgun sentries and one mine deployer and by the uplinks we had like around or a little bit under 50% in all of them
I think we just got lucky because even on previous attempts we had no where near that much by the time for the uplinks
I do not think we did anything special placement wise compared to the other ones
eternal acorn
we did 2 sentrys 1 mine and a c foam
only used tools on the sentries
maybe used 1 on the mines
eternal acorn
Was something changed about B2 in the patch?
it feels a lot more difficult than yesterday
mortal granite
A3 and D1
knotty sphinx
A bug was fixed on B2, A3 was changed and a chunk of D1 was fixed I believe
devout river
Yea B2 did not change at all I do not think
I mean atleast A3 is apparently easier now
atomic escarp
It was already easy?
knotty sphinx
What's easy for you isn't always easy for everybody else
I'm not saying it was hard, but some maps need a little more balancing
atomic escarp
So, with new people. It's always going to be hard for them. But for more intermediate and vet, it will be easy.
A1 to A2 is a huge leap
A2 is stupid xD
queen nymph
A2 and 3 are hard for beginners
knotty sphinx
New content is always going to bring in new players
atomic escarp
What's easy for you isn't always easy for everybody elsee
knotty sphinx
So why make it impossible for people just starting out to get through the A's?
hexed vapor
Bullpup reload feels unchanged, is that intentional?
queen nymph
2 is hard because of the first room
3 is hard because they introduce a new way to play this game
knotty sphinx
Wave 5 and 6 always had a rush of big strikers and hybrids
It's overwhelming for some
queen nymph
@hexed vapor it changed a lot compare to the testing version lol. You could make a tea or coffee and came back. It’s still reloading lol
atomic escarp
I say 2 is hard cause the infection room that branches off the main objective room.
Down the Borehole.
glass sundial
Playing A2 makes me want to play R2D1 again
mossy yoke
Bullpup reload feels unchanged, is that intentional?
@hexed vapor There have not been any changes to it since R3 release. If there was, it'd be in the patch notes
glass sundial
And people struggling with A2 makes me want to guide them through R2D1 as well since that's basically the hell version of this A2 lol
glass sundial
I don't remember if there was, could try listing fog turbines
hexed vapor
@mossy yoke There was a vague note about "when the clip is put in"
Which I thought might affect bullpup
knotty sphinx
I don't believe there's a turbine in A2
glass sundial
I think that was just referring to sound effects and animations
mossy yoke
are you talking about how the sounds match the animation / screen update?
glass sundial
That's how it's supposed to be now right?
For some weapons, notably the HEL weapons, the sounds were a bit desynced with the animations
I haven't tested them post update yet
open verge
Can the mother be killed in B2?
mortal granite
yes
open verge
I've tried emptying multiple mags in to her with a team and we couldn't kill her
are you meant to kill her before doing the blood door?
knotty sphinx
Yes
vague flicker
ye
mighty pond
Yea, but only one of them is large
mighty pond
The rest are small, and you still need to break more than one of them to kill
mortal granite
break all of it to kill it
mighty pond
You don't necessarily need to break all, but a majority will need to be broken
open verge
Yea
hexed vapor
@glass sundial That's different
Although it does look like there were two separate sound updates.
vague flicker
dude I had the biggest spawn after opening door 390 on D1 rng was fucked
mighty pond
Once the door opens all zones within 390 are considered spawn options. So it will spawn further inside the zone sometimes
It happens, just need to work around it
rare crane
yes
coarse gate
any tips for killing the boss?
hexed vapor
If you shoot them while a scout's in the room and then spam crouch while spinning around with your hacking tool out something happens.
mighty pond
720 no scope or it doesn't work btw
light totem
true^
light totem
yes, interesting
cinder imp
"Fixed a bug where the Shotgun sentry got a damage multiplier boost equal to the number of players in the game." Does anyone understand if this is a nerf for 4 player teams or a buff to solo?
zenith crystal
its just a nerf to 4 player teams
rare crane
lmao its just a bug fix
mossy yoke
You'd see a change when playing with more than 1 player. The more players the more damage the sentry did
exotic crow
so what's the general strategy for killing the B2 boss?
because we just kinda got stomped.
exotic crow
what's her aggro range like before we actually wake her up?
and how many times does she need to be damaged?
it seems like normal shots don't do much unless you hit her weird tumors.
rare crane
she auto aggros if you kill smthn close to it but thats it
glass sundial
You can see that distance on the bio tracker
rare crane
she glows and beats like a normal sleper so watch out for that
glass sundial
The range they detect movement, sprinting or walking, etc., is always 8 meters
rare crane
No info on damage counts just shes really tanky so kill her quick
glass sundial
Her glow is more subtle than normal Sleepers though so be cautious
rare crane
before she overwhelms you
shes just tanky as frick
like three - four hybrid bodyshots tanky
glass sundial
White hitmaker = no damage. You have to damage her wherever you get red markers, i.e the sacs on her back and sides
glass sundial
Oh so they still do some damage?
glass sundial
Basically just not worth it to shoot there
rare crane
if you only get white hitmarkers shes basically twice as tanky
so aim for her tumors
as those are its crit points
glass sundial
Here's to hoping we get more midbosses like Crabzilla here
exotic crow
Is it worth it to start the fight by sneaking up and hammering her like you would a giant?
rare crane
shell still be tanky but once you take off all or almost of her Tumors she should die
Depends Bola
exotic crow
We started the party by having 2 people set down turrets in the room
rare crane
if your team has burst cannons and snipers or shotguns its better to start it that way
or mines
exotic crow
Burst cannons. Gross. Lol
glass sundial
Special weapons for Crabzilla, primaries for her kids
rare crane
also to everyone complaining about the sentry dmg bug fix
glass sundial
The only secondary worth using on the kids is the combat shotgun
The sentry can still oneshot strikers so... oh well
rare crane
Did you guys really Rely on Sentries That much
exotic crow
Is the SMG actually good in that fight? Seems like it might be best suited to killing her babies
rare crane
actually AR is
exotic crow
My squad always runs 2 sentries
rare crane
smg requires two shots per bb
glass sundial
Oh yeah for sure. High rate of fire, fast reload, large mag
rare crane
but the asssault rifle takes em out in 1
exotic crow
Sounds better
glass sundial
Assault rifle is generally worse in all other scenarios though
rare crane
^
glass sundial
I mean, it's not bad, it just lacks the reliability the SMG provides
exotic crow
I thought the SMG was generally considered to be pretty bad
glass sundial
Nah. In a tier list it easily grabs A or S tier
exotic crow
Huh. Maybe I am just bad then
glass sundial
God speed reload, good enough damage, very well rounded control when fired in bursts, massive ammo capacity
exotic crow
What about the Burst Cannon?
rare crane
SMG best all around imo
glass sundial
The only weakness of the SMG: mid range+ combat
rare crane
even when it had wonky recoil in R1
glass sundial
But let's be real, when do you fight at those ranges anyway?
Burst Cannon can 1burst giants from stealth in the back
It's basically the king of giant slaying. But that's about it
exotic crow
It feels so bad to use to hold doors for alarms and stuff though.
glass sundial
It's okay for hordes, but the burst is too rapid to change targets to other enemies
It's only good against lines of enemies
glass sundial
Even then, your shots tend to hit corpses
Like, the first one dies, then the rest of the burst hits that dead enemy. It's really best suited to kill giants
Other special weapons are a bit more versatile, but none can quite compete against giants
I prefer more versatile kits so I don't really like the cannon 
devout river
Welp my second B2 run also ended in the mother room