gtfo-spoiler-chat

[prisma zodiac]

actually wait

nvm pre ext

LOL

R4C1 is fast tho

[outer jacinth]

ye r4c1 is kinda fast

if you roll 75 at least

[winter wharf]

if you give me the build of the game

[solid gale]

we have to assume here that when players first encountered it they were very not great at dealing with them, and likely ran back into Main towards spawn

otherwise yes I agree you should never bring a Tank to a door there

[prisma zodiac]

even if you dont
just for testing you wont rly lose more than 2-3 min

[outer jacinth]

fair

[prisma zodiac]

theres basically no way that happens in either level

since you use most doors for the alarms

[solid gale]

unless they funneled and used remaining doors, agreed

The very first hotfix for OG R4 occurred ~6 hours after release

released at 7AM local time for me, hotfix was a bit after 1PM

I guess we just initially presume all builds before OG R4 EXT have this instabreak door tank, because I doubt that I managed to encounter the very few people who were playing that far into the rundown, this many years later, for what would be only 2 Tank encounters, inside of a 6 hour window. It also could be that because you don't typically bring Tanks to doors in those levels that it wasn't caught until EXT since it is very relevant on R4E1

fetching build # s

OG R4 Hotfix #1: 5722475
OG R4 Hotfix #2: 5728801
OG R4 Hotfix #3: 5732476
OG R4 Hotfix #4: 5742550
OG R4 Hotfix #5: 5744310
OG R4 Hotfix #6: 5786775
OG R4 Hotfix #7: 5833429
OG R4://EXT: 5972994```

[astral ferry]

anyone wanna go back to og with me to verify some obscure fact from like 4.6 years ago 🥺

[raven flare]

would love to but i gotta sneeze

[earnest minnow]

guys anyone want to mod og shadow giants into the game

[sage garnet]

hot

I'd never play OG game looked so ass

[astral ferry]

have verified that is not true for the initial release of og r4

tank did not instabreak undamaged small and large doors

[prisma zodiac]

id be surprised if it did

[solid gale]

you guys reached C1 already huh, alright

[astral ferry]

no i just have it already unlocked

[winter wharf]

ya

[solid gale]

oh lol

[winter wharf]

we've bothed played every miission in og r4 beforehand

though i only started in r5 and subsequently went back with a team

[solid gale]

man, with 7 builds to check at least it tracks all that

so if it isn't true for initial OG R4 release, either a specific hotfix broke it or it's not true at all

[winter wharf]

it's probably not true at all

[prisma zodiac]

theres rly only a few rare bugs that existed for a super short while

shadow in r7c2

[winter wharf]

like i know snatcher has the funny thing with doors, if tank had that then i'd reason that it'd be known and not be the case with snatcher - though it can't guarantee anything

[prisma zodiac]

being one of those

[solid gale]

I have to wonder what exactly they changed with EXT then-- did the Tank act differently than how it does now?

because that is indeed in patch notes. Maybe the build of the game right before the EXT release is the next best target

[olive shoal]

gonna be honest I don’t think it ever existed

[solemn wigeon]

I was here just before Ext and I never saw a tank break it down like that

[solid gale]

Glad to see more OG players chiming in about this. It's not something that I would come up with; I had asked people specifically this question if they were in pubs with me if they had mentioned they had been playing since OG: "In what ways was the OG version of this level/rundown different than this one"

[earnest minnow]

they probably were just bad and didnt understand game mechanics

[solid gale]

and as goat mentioned that the Snatcher has that thing with doors, that's why I noted this one down as something to look into but never updated wiki to reflect it

[solid gale]

At this rate, probably

[vapid moon]

i think every og version of levels are easier than their rereleased counterpart

[outer jacinth]

you mean harder?

[vapid moon]

how would they be harder

infinite stamina, easier alarms, hammer was better

[outer jacinth]

??
the guns were terrible?

[vapid moon]

thats fair

[prisma zodiac]

depends

some levels also got nerfed (sometimes very importantly)

[vapid moon]

some guns were better than their current day counterpart

burst cancelling was a cool thing we cant do anymore

[outer jacinth]

yeah but the difference is that you didn't get to have sawed off scatter and/or pen

[prisma zodiac]

we have some incredible gun and tool power creep depending on what you compare

og r1 was oof but had no precision multis and shotgun sentry was uber strong due to bugs
og r2 but less skewed
og r3 was weak
og r4 had 2 insane weapons and sniper sentry
og r5 had good wave clear in hel rifle/gun. Mines also got fixed
og r6 had crazy weapons in scatter, sniper, hel gun and hel revo. got fixed burst sentry
og r7 was weak again (but is also playable rn so eh) aside from sentries and sniper sentry going SICKO MODE

then through alt rundowns stuff changed with every rundown

if you just look at the level itself

then a lot of levels got buffed, changed or nerfed (usually in smaller ways)

[solid gale]

I watched quite a bit of footage of OG R2E1, aside the absolutely insane Shadow Giants in there, the Error looks simultaneously easier and harder:
-You could find Fog Repellers in there and thus not need the Turbine after very long if you didn't want infection
-First surge room was only half covered in fog and had layout like current Zone 606 surge room
-Current Zone 606 (then Zone 595) was entered at a much lower elevation so much of the zone until surge room was dark and covered with infectious fog alongside sleepers, spitters

ALT R2E1 makes the first surge harder and adds more fog overall up until no more is seen after that first surge in the error, and the 2nd surge was made a cluster surge instead of all full team scans

[pseudo lily]

it was so painful losing r6 hel gun in r7

[stone harbor]

Was the "if you drop cargo in OG R4D2 then chargers spawn instead of shadows" ever true or just bullshit?

[raven flare]

thought it was a single wave

[earnest minnow]

bullshit

[stone harbor]

I remember hearing about it on OG R4D2 but back then I played it like twice

[prisma zodiac]

mightve been in og but I also never did that

[stone harbor]

I dont think I ever even did anything but High only on the OG

I still remember what I did to get my first PE 🥲

I soloed all of high of R4A2 then had people join afterwards

Was so damn happy to finally get a PE

[winter wharf]

it is a thing that happens

beth tested it for a while on stream a while ago

it can be seen in fireblade's clear vid

(which features sam, who was asserting that it isn't a thing as well)

[earnest minnow]

istg someone went back and tried

maybe im wrong

stupid fucking mechanic

[prisma zodiac]

we tried in alt r4d2 with kenny, wes, kolohe and me

not a single charger spawn

[hexed vapor]

It's sort of fixed in alt

Basically, the regular extract is chargers

So if you ever switch to that extraction wave, you get chargers

I think you still get chargers in alt at the end when cargo enters scan, but you don't get it just for dropping cargo anymore

which was a thing in OG

[stone harbor]

So dropping cargo (anywhere) caused the extraction scan waves to start even if not in extraction?

[hexed vapor]

Yes, my understanding is that picking up cargo starts extraction waves, and dropping cargo switches you to main objective extraction

[stone harbor]

Thanks

I'll be sincere a map where dropping a cargo punishes you with a wave until you pick it back up would have been interesting

basically play with 1 guy always slow/cant shoot

[hexed vapor]

Ehh

In practice it meant that if you were even slightly unstable

cargo getting dropped either in a pinch or because carrier went down instantly killed you

[stone harbor]

eh as an idea

it made me wonder if they ever planned to work on a mechanic like that

but since from you explanation I get that it wasn't intended then I guess not

[hexed vapor]

Could've been cool if wave got easier, maybe

But yeah, it was basically a bug

[olive shoal]

It did indeed happen

[vapid moon]

i have an old version of r2 I was playing the other day day

r2e1 hammer only is ridiculously ez

enemies attack a little slower, hammer swings faster and a little farther reach, plus circle and map kiting

plus cheese spots

[earnest minnow]

"og was better guys 🤓 ☝️ "

[solid gale]

more cheese spots in OG R2E1 huh

I am aware of the one remaining in ALT R2E1 in the starting zone side room

OG in general sounds like the following:
-You can run forever and whittle down hordes after alarms end, so you should definitely do this
-Hammer is disgustingly good
-Enemy pathing is less refined, much more predictable, and easier to exploit

[winter wharf]

afaik enemy pathing hasn't changed significantly, it's mostly the same

on tank AI being changed, idk if much has changed significantly either but the tanks in og feel like they've been studying the blade instead of huffing lead fumes

[olive shoal]

hammer isnt necessarily that insane in og tbh

the charge up is p slow

but ofc no stamina

i think hammer today is VERY similar besides the 1 tap occi

[winter wharf]

ya the game itself is less responsive, you have 1 tap occi but it's slow to swing

and in current ver you just fucking knife everything faster than you can occi hit everything in og

[astral ferry]

rip og r6 hammer stagger

[olive shoal]

i also think its easier to break giant limbs today too but i dont think thats a hammer issue

ray would probably know

[kind swan]

full charge locks

[winter wharf]

not needed

hammer reaches full environmental damage before full charge

[kind swan]

I got used to half charging with how it is now

I forgot who I tried OG with but suddenly couldn't half charge them

I didn't test for how much charge exactly that time though

but it was more than half

[winter wharf]

yep

[solid gale]

Adding to trivia section now

Hunting down interesting OG trivia like this makes for excellent documentation of this game’s oddly rich history

[vapid moon]

certainly different game, I do love the new meta tho

I think if I joined later, I could've been better at the game

but i joined r1 and got to used to the circle kiting and stuff and refused to learn the new tech instead of just long and circle kiting lol

[prisma zodiac]

vozy that was a thing for way longer 💀

[astral ferry]

like before og r6?

[deft kiln]

X5 stagger hammer was rundown 6

[prisma zodiac]

yea

when it was released

[deft kiln]

To like rundown 8

[prisma zodiac]

but it was a thing until r8

[deft kiln]

yeah

[prisma zodiac]

rip og r6 hammer stagger sounds like it stopped then

[obtuse surge]

there was no distinction for layers in the events of the game

picking up cargo completes objective

it completes whatever objective of where you are

so if picked up while being in main it completed main and therefor started main objective finished alarm

it only didnt work if the objectives were too different so the events arent the same

on R4A2 you could pick up the cryo box in overload to complete overload and you could pick it up in extreme to complete extreme

before this fix

pretty much any objective that is a simple boolean would work for it

while things like uplinks or gen clusters which have multiple steps, wouldnt

tho you could still see that it wasnt working correctly because every time you would pick up the objective item from another layer it would show the intel popup for the layer ur currently in as if u just did something related to this objective

[quiet stone]

Shut up, nerd.

[sage garnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/848519053034782720/1329838512010170469/togif.gif

[tulip heath]

@quiet stone are you the creator of the highly praised samdown?

[quiet stone]

NO

[storm ridge]

no because samdown isnt highly praised?

[quiet stone]

Go check out the highest voted rundown

[earnest minnow]

mtfo

[quiet stone]

Rundown, not mod

Its hard to read sometimes 😔

[earnest minnow]

ngl i didnt know that PE was the most downloaded rundown

by a decent bit as well

[quiet stone]

Yeah because it's updated every fucking day

So people have to keep downloading it lol

Check out how many versions it has and the dates

criscris farming those downloads

[earnest minnow]

i mean idrc

was pretty good back when i played it

[storm ridge]

19 likes

[quiet stone]

If you like it, play it then

[storm ridge]

sound like very few ppl like it

[pseudo lily]

if samdown is so good why won’t anyone play it w me 🥺

if only there was some sort of lfg feature

[earnest minnow]

matchmaking!!!!!!

[solid gale]

this has the most versions of any mod/rundown I've seen yet

15 full scrolls of my mouse to reach the bottom of the version list... a lot has certainly changed

[earnest minnow]

yeah they just didnt do big updates but a bunch of small updates/bug fixes

not unusual

[solid gale]

makes sense

[earnest minnow]

looks like a git repo lmao

[quiet stone]

Now you know why its the most downloaded 😂

[velvet quarry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1225179302765658298/1241133067616387183/IMG_0743.gif

[wet kraken]

means its also going to be the most uninstalled

[tulip heath]

@versed crag

[versed crag]

DMCA

[olive sky]

mods, scattergun him at the extraction

[tulip heath]

NO WAY

[winter wharf]

just saw these messages, i'm not sure if some of this is true at all

[hexed vapor]

It was mostly no stam and 4-dam light attack

[prisma zodiac]

4 dmg light attack

still missed

[kind swan]

Hmm

I do know trying to chain charged hits with hammer in OG was a little finicky vs how it is now.

Kind of like it had a weird split second shot delay.

[vapid moon]

the enemies feel slower, but the stuff about hammers is 100% true

i just played OG r2e1 through archived gtfo files

[winter wharf]

enemies being slower, i didn't feel that they were any slower when i was playing but hard collision wasn't in the game then i recall

and have heard something about enemies being made faster at some point

for hammer having more reach i've never heard of it nor have i noticed it, and swinging faster? i don't think so

[vapid moon]

it super noticeable in OG R1, hammer reach was much farther, especially on the initial hitscan when you swing

if u can find somewhere the OG files are still online, you can play it for yourself and feel the difference

[winter wharf]

"if u can find somewhere the OG files" uh-huh

granted, the second image is just the unextracted files of the first

[vapid moon]

oh yeah, then u can play it and feel the difference

[winter wharf]

but ya, i have a version of most rundowns on my nvme

[vapid moon]

i used to, took up too much storage

i only have r2 now i think

[winter wharf]

i cannot discern a difference between hammer in old ver and current ver

tested r1 and current build

i think it's cope

[tulip heath]

OG gtfo was so much better cope

[winter wharf]

better fps

better hel revo

better game

[tulip heath]

idk im too newgen 😔

[vapid moon]

i might just be feeling the better fps probably

bc it just feels better and faster

aside from light attack damage difference

[earnest minnow]

og is ASS

[winter wharf]

awww spoken like a NEW GEN

[tulip heath]

Isn’t cuh a gen alpha?

[earnest minnow]

i feel like people only say OG was better because of cope

[astral ferry]

would you believe me if i said frosty was actually 14

[winter wharf]

tbh anything before r4 extension is pretty bad

[earnest minnow]

12 mate

get it right

[tulip heath]

Nop cuz he’s 12

[tulip heath]

Wait if ur 12 how old is ur gf?

[winter wharf]

14

[earnest minnow]

[winter wharf]

playground politics

[earnest minnow]

my gf getting the short end of the stick here

[tulip heath]

Im gonna report u two to the principal

[earnest minnow]

i have a pipe bomb

[tulip heath]

We dont wanna know ur size 😔

[tulip heath]

Yummers

[narrow gulch]

og bad

[earnest minnow]

[astral ferry]

can we get an og player saying that og is bad

[hexed vapor]

og bad

[astral ferry]

thank you rayalot72

[vapid moon]

somebody kill this man

[earnest minnow]

[kind swan]

I do wish they kept the progession to deeper levels the same

Needing certain amount of extremes/overloads/pe to unlock deeper levels

[prisma zodiac]

Yea

[quiet stone]

You wouldn't get it. You weren't there.

[earnest minnow]

cope

[quiet stone]

I don't need to cope on a dead game.

[earnest minnow]

cope

[quiet stone]

You coping that it ain't dead 😂

[earnest minnow]

cope

[prisma zodiac]

OG R5 having the most balanced boss clear (with og r7) is kinda unfortunate ngl

[pseudo lily]

cope to cope to cope to cope cope to cope to cope to cope cope to cope to cope to cope cope to cope to cope to cope cope to cope to cope to cope cope to cope to cope to cope

[stone harbor]

I dont feel like it'd changed much tbh

People still could join E lobbies without having them unlocked

Special cosmetics only for Extreme/Overload/PEs on the other hand was cool

Even if it meant "pink palette man" meme

[tulip heath]

Pingurs I’ve got a scammer on chess.com I wanna troll him

[quiet stone]

ok so troll him!

Ask him to buy GTFO!

That's the biggest troll you can do

Because he won't be able to find a game!

[tulip heath]

Frfr

Apparently I made 3 million euros in the first bitcoin boom

[kind swan]

Its more in the way they unlocked it themselves.

But yeah nowadays ppl just match making in r8 part 2 etc.

[surreal drift]

maybe it's not og is bad, maybe riemann was right

gtfo is bad

[earnest minnow]

holy

[tulip heath]

Sam is that you?

[wet kraken]

haiii goat!!!

[surreal drift]

who are you

[vapid moon]

Riemann?? like the mathematician?

[wet kraken]

:c

ok

[storm ridge]

havent you seen his e2 duo run with hilbert?

[surreal drift]

child does not know the story behind the name riemann

[surreal drift]

it is fine, but i still don't know why you reply saying haiiii goat whenever i post a message

[tulip heath]

haiiii goat

[surreal drift]

who are you

[tulip heath]

a moth posing as a car

wait i just realized

anyways

[solid gale]

some call him the fall damage extraordinaire

[tulip heath]

fall dmg my beloved

[wild isle]

I wish I didn't play Marvel Rivals before touching this game.

Jumping off ledges and balconies has proven lethal to my character's well-being.

[tulip heath]

just hug walls/find stuff to land on

[wild isle]

I do find stuff to land on.

It's called the floor.

[tulip heath]

land on boxes and such

[wild isle]

Fucken hurts bro

Spamming jump is something I do on instinct in Marvel Rivals. My brain just.... Doesn't want to wean off the habit of jumping off ledges.

[tulip heath]

stamina dont exist for bro 🥀

[wild isle]

I see my character's heart rate going up, I slam down on the shift key harder.

I don't want my stamina as a gold color. I want it in RAINBOW 🌈

[tulip heath]

😭🙏

[pearl mural]

Average Moth moment

Me when I try to jump across a gap only to fall short and bonk my face and die in mid air.

😵‍💫

[tulip heath]

Frfr

[graceful garden]

haiii goat

[surreal drift]

the reason you are afraid to open boxes in r4e1 code hunt is because i put bombs in half of them!

[merry elm]

minesweeper

[tulip heath]

omg bosnia menitoned

[sage garnet]

guys no spoilers

anyone got any idea

[olive sky]

Order

wait no

owner

[snow lava]

third letter is literally not N

[sage garnet]

I'll try

oh

right

[olive sky]

hmm

offer

[sage garnet]

wait ur cheating

it's correct

[snow lava]

could've been oxter smh

[olive sky]

surely its a real word right?

[sage garnet]

oxter

what the fuck is that

aight ill see you tomorrow for next wordle

[olive sky]

a weirdchamp way of saying armpit

[sage garnet]

I'm on a 7 day streak

almost lost it yesterday to comfy

[solemn wigeon]

Point and laugh people

[winter wharf]

losing wordle is harder than winning

[winter wharf]

no hard mode LLLLLLLLL

[sage garnet]

mf you think I know wordle has a hard mode

💀

[solemn wigeon]

wordle has a hard mode?

bruh that aint even hard

[wild isle]

Aside from Biotracker, fog dispeller, and deliberately waking them, are there any safe ways of checking for sleepers in a fogged area without going in?

I thought thermal weapons were the answer until we ran R2B3 and 4 yesterday and to my surprise, I could not see any of the sleepers in the mist until they woke up, and even then, I could barely see them.

[tulip heath]

You can use sound to know they’re there

[wild isle]

Yeah, but, that's kinda unreliable cuz I'm still unsure of how many there are.

Is there any way to be more precise?

[tulip heath]

Shining your light does still affect them

And I think the sound between one and several eepers throbbing is easy enough to differentiate

[wild isle]

Fair enough.

[vapid moon]

pulling the room

[wild isle]

Yeah, I though so....

Can't be asleep when they hear gunfire.

[tulip heath]

deliberately waking them anyways

Nice job on the 16:40

[vapid moon]

ty

[tulip heath]

Imagine soy doesn’t accept it

Cuz milliseconds

[vapid moon]

i will find and kill soy if he doesnt

[tulip heath]

Like this frfr

[sage garnet]

Holy shit is thst ur cat

[tulip heath]

Yep

[ripe void]

not the bird

[tulip heath]

Birb

[graceful garden]

He's so talented 🥰

[tulip heath]

Yuuuur

[winter pewter]

Grrr

Don't give them ideas

Not my ideas

[winter pewter]

Grrr

You're bullying me again

[tulip heath]

dont pick veruta then

[vapid moon]

wh ats with the veruta hate

[winter pewter]

NEVER

[wet kraken]

sybauidgafmisitu

[tulip heath]

ts pmo 🥀

[wet kraken]

💀

[glossy crescent]

People must play meta all the time

Or else they are stupid

[solemn wigeon]

This is why my friends burned out of games tho

[winter wharf]

most effective tactic available is to be a good fucking player

gtfo is a solved game

[outer jacinth]

most effective tactic is to be interesting and enjoyable to play with so that good players will join the pub you're currently struggling with and help you

[vapid moon]

facts

[glossy crescent]

Skill issue

Don't like meta then gtfo

You don't bring sawed off or hel weapons to my E2 run?
Get kicked

[tulip heath]

.t gtfo

[jaunty hedge]

The game is called GTFO and it doesn't stand for "Get The Fuck Out" but rather the feeling you have that you want to complete The Warden's objective and GTFO.

[vapid moon]

every game will have a meta always no matter what you do

theres always an optimal to do something

[graceful garden]

(impossible)

[solid gale]

I also to phrase it like “if there isn’t a meta it means that game is incredibly boring”

it’s about having an interesting metagame where enough stuff is viable/fun in various ways

[stone harbor]

True but it works mostly in reverse

As in being an asshole is detrimental but being mr nice happy man doesn't guarantee cracked people join in to help you

It's a mixed bag and that's it

Unless you network your way through add people on friends and all that jazz

But there's 500 shades between that and "being interesting and enjoyable"

There's people that I'll never play with because, to be honest, I find them annoying and I dont give a shit if I get another clear on something I already did, nor did I gave a shit when I needed to first clear something.

[vapid moon]

what

[stone harbor]

What part is troubling you?

I admit that it was somewhat of a rant but I'm tired of the perfect world fallacy where if you get stuck it's 100% your fault and you should feel bad

There's people that are/were stuck on levels for week and in some cases their failure was for a good part their own fault

But saying that they should have been interesting or enjoyable to play with feel patronizing and it's also kinda just wrong

Dont be an asshole as per not to lower your chances

But that's it

[winter wharf]

i hope you forgive me for screaming at the russian in that r4e1

go right side, everyone says, as he meanders around in circles on the left

[tepid atlas]

How does one find another annoying or not interesting or non enjoyable to play with?

[solemn wigeon]

very easy, advertise looking for trolls

[olive sky]

by you not having fun

[tepid atlas]

Shiit makes sense

[stone harbor]

No of course I'm not talking about you

[stone harbor]

I assume I'm sometimes "not interesting" because I tend not to talk too much so I guess I do indeed fill that criteria 🤣

[tepid atlas]

Ah i feel u

[winter wharf]

ya, expected as much

[stone harbor]

Annoying is either people that talk way too much or just players who go "hugh, team, I told to do X!" at every turn or act like they lost the game if someone fucks up

Usually a good criteria is people who just smirk when they or someone else fails a scout

[winter wharf]

the worst thing about it

is when you can feel it in your bones

[stone harbor]

I just reply "Yes, more violence!" since I dont give a shit and want to shoot monsters

[winter wharf]

that they will fail the scout kill

and are powerless to stop it

[stone harbor]

What was that movie about the ship sinking in slow-mo with sad but melancholic music playing in the background?

Just to say that I know what you mean but I try to find fun in that too

[stone harbor]

By how much Malefic replies are usually light-hearted trolling this is a also a good criteria

[winter wharf]

the one starring leonardo davinci?

[stone harbor]

I remember being in lobbies when I could FEEL their tension or frustation at trying the map for billionth time

[stone harbor]

Di Caprio? Titanic? Was it that? I cant remember

[winter wharf]

yeah it was titanic and dicaprio

davinci is long dead but i think it's funny saying it still

[olive sky]

[vapid moon]

crazy rant, unfortunately being nice and fun to play with is still the most sure way to get people to play with you again, shocker I know

[narrow gulch]

what the helly are yall yapping about

[vapid moon]

chill are you kindmaxxing

[narrow gulch]

but what kind

[vapid moon]

are you being courteous to thy neighbor

politemaxxing as some might say

[narrow gulch]

depends, did my neighbor vote for wheel of fate for comp

[tulip heath]

@solemn wigeon been a bday boy for a long time

🤔

[solemn wigeon]

I am rapidly aging

[wild isle]

If multiple scouts in the same room trigger, do they each spawn a wave of enemies or do they all only spawn one wave of enemies?

[wet iron]

one wave per scout

[wild isle]

Very cool

[wet iron]

ik right

[wild isle]

Do the waves all come in one super wave or do they stagger?

[tulip heath]

I believe spawncap is like 24 (two scout waves if I’m not wrong), everything over will stagger

[merry elm]

they queue if they have no space to spawn

[wet iron]

oh i wasnt aware of the exact cap good to know i am now even more scared of surge alarms

[earnest minnow]

cap is 25 units

[tulip heath]

Bruh

Samesame

[wet iron]

ah ty

[wet iron]

this dude needs to learn proper mask positioning like bro needs that thing over his nose smh

[tulip heath]

Not used to drinking apple sauce

https://tenor.com/view/applesauce-gtfo-gtfo-game-meme-gif-13950260698889541149

[wet iron]

oh real quick by units do you mean number of enemies or their point value?

[winter wharf]

point value

dependent on wave settings enemies can take more or less than 1 point, 0.75 and 1.5 are possible values iirc

[wet iron]

oh ok good to know ig

[tulip heath]

Me when 5 billion strikers spawn cuz their point value is 1/200000000

[wet iron]

wdym this is perfect since it lets your pores have a sip

[tulip heath]

Yippurs

[glossy crescent]

Spear 🤮

[tulip heath]

Frfr

[solemn wigeon]

Spear sucks but at least it's not knife

[tulip heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1236400601563271251.gif?size=160&name=Mods+are+watching

[solemn wigeon]

[wild isle]

That one extra guy is gonna crawl right behind you and tongue you right up your personal cinnamon ring.

[tulip heath]

Yummers

[thick linden]

Hey guys whats's the code for R8A2 this week

[tulip heath]

@glossy crescent

[thick linden]

ok thx

[glossy crescent]

[raven flare]

https://andocas.com/gtfo/r8a2/

[wet kraken]

the duality of man

[wild isle]

What's more useless:
The 6th set of glow sticks

Or

The 3rd set of lock melters?

[prisma zodiac]

glowsticks

lock melters are legit best consumable

[tulip heath]

glowsticks are unironically the worst consumable

[solid gale]

Fog repellers emit more light than glowsticks

[kind swan]

Lock melting for speeding through hack locks.
Lock melting to get past padlocks in stealth.

But speedrunners? Just have 2-3 people charging Hammer and what door?

[solemn wigeon]

but what if key in box?

[tulip heath]

"Lock melting to get past padlocks in stealth."

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[solemn wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-hmmm-hm-skull-emoji-skull-gif-4581937970972459772

[kind swan]

Its only really certain levels

But with a good team. Its meh

[tulip heath]

ive never melted a padlock

[solemn wigeon]

False

Everyone has

[tulip heath]

i have however spawned 7 tanks :3

[kind swan]

Its almost like padlocks force you to make noise.

Unless lock melted

[solemn wigeon]

man I do be mining rn

I AM the santonian mining company

[kind swan]

But are you using bongo cat

[solemn wigeon]

i was but its too intrusive visually 😔

man im only 96 woodcutting, I should change this

[earnest minnow]

R5D2 speeds:

[tulip heath]

yeayea we can have one use for them

[wild isle]

But guys

Think of the tech

You equip nothing but glowstick strength and yeet 1 glowstick

Bam

It illuminates the entire room so much, every sleeper wakes up.

[prisma zodiac]

and yet we didnt even use it in the run

[raven flare]

:[

[versed crag]

So why did python explode

[junior anvil]

but funny w key gaming

[solemn wigeon]

You be w keying but L taking

[vapid moon]

gtfo gamers when they hit the most insane diagonal walk backwards

[graceful garden]

Sawed off spam gaming🔥🔥

[narrow gulch]

sams finally catching on

this is big

[quiet stone]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1186576856242212874/1240345682804604948/togif.gif

[floral dome]

https://tenor.com/view/blastoise-big-man-big-man-blastoise-pokemon-gif-12174893623449636381

W

[tulip heath]

@pearl temple ^

[nocturne flax]

Gtfo

[olive sky]

.t get out

[jaunty hedge]

https://i.imgur.com/odLu33A.gifv

[wet kraken]

.t love

[jaunty hedge]

I'm glad you asked: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/522572708911906816/678063895843176458/WhatIsLove-Deadpool.mp4

[bold widget]

BINGO BANGO BONGO

BISCH BASCH BOSCH

[tranquil blaze]

So true

[quiet stone]

https://tenor.com/view/gumbus-gubus-gumbusandgracie-yawning-cat-gif-14168074115097722602

[tulip heath]

Meowzers

[winter elm]

Haha hehe hoohoo, bozo wasn't even in the server for a week

[wanton stump]

as per security concerns 🕵️‍♂️

[tulip heath]

@subtle comet post the level here

Cba with that fucking 5 min timer

[subtle comet]

R1B1

[tulip heath]

So Unfort ngl

[subtle comet]

Brother

😭

[earnest minnow]

I’m so fucking gtfo rotted I just knew the level

[subtle comet]

I was at it for 1.5 hours.

[tulip heath]

I could hop on and duo it with you

[earnest minnow]

Solo?

[vapid moon]

Frosty should've spent more time off of gtfo in Europe

[subtle comet]

I saw the two towers at the entrance. I was like nope

[subtle comet]

With bots

[subtle comet]

I'm done for the day😩

I'd be down on the weekend though

[subtle comet]

Sneaked pass them. Turn the corner. ANOTHER F****ING ONE

[earnest minnow]

No

[tulip heath]

I’ll be on like evening time EU

[subtle comet]

Mf wiped out my whole team b4 i knew it

[tulip heath]

Giants for you

[winter wharf]

oh how was the journey back

[earnest minnow]

I’m still here

For another like uhhh

9 days or something

[vapid moon]

play some gtfo mobile

[winter wharf]

ooooh nice

waiting for the day i get to visit my gf or vice versa

[prisma zodiac]

blast them
guns are often the easiest way to deal with scary situations. Sneaking past is always the risky approach

[storm ridge]

r1b1 is funny map

i was basically idling when trying out 3 bots

they just shoot the entire alarm for me

[prisma zodiac]

yea ngl
the bots are able to kill everything in the map pretty comfortably

I feel like zone 40 would be the 1 scary part

as it involves a ton of clumped giants

but nothing sentries and burst cannon bots cant fix

[storm ridge]

just do alarms to avoid giant

ezclap

[subtle comet]

Yeah I tried to play it smart by picking my fights. But apparently that backfired

Plus there was the fog. Since I had no idea how many enemies were there and I was blind as a bat, this was bound to happen

[tulip heath]

If you’re gonna shoot shoot when you’re close to a door to an already cleared room

Gives you more space

[subtle comet]

Noted 👍

[tulip heath]

also have a biotracker on your team

[wet kraken]

if your going to fight, dont do it in the fog

[subtle comet]

What if u don't have choice? 🙃

[wet kraken]

if your doing scans in the fog then thats forced

outside of that, just kite to non foggy areas

[subtle comet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-turning-head-confused-cat-rizalalthur-orange-cat-behavior-gif-10491959385063137392

I'm gonna need a lot more practive b4 I understand these strats 😅

[vapid moon]

no practice needed, simply do not stand in fog

alternatively, if standing in fog, use WASD to move outside of fog

[wet kraken]

if you need to be in fog then be in it for the least amount of time

if you dont need to be in fog then dont

[quiet stone]

https://tenor.com/view/cooper-jinx-bigfootjinx-im-still-amazed-by-it-cat-gif-23555036

[tulip heath]

https://tenor.com/view/high-quality-upside-down-spinning-rat-spinning-rat-rat-gif-26233335

[pearl mural]

Sometimes shooting up a room you haven’t been through is easier. Especially if there’s fog in it. If you have ammo to spare, like Moth said, stand by the entrance of the room and shoot to wake up enemies then fall back to the previous room (assuming you cleared it). This allows you to control where the enemies will come from instead of the alternative, which is messing up a sneak and now there’s twenty enemies all around you.

[storm ridge]

stealth the easy kills and pull the room

when in doubt

gtfo

running is the strongest tech in this game

[pearl mural]

Pretty much yeah

Once you play enough and understand the range of sound and what can hear you and blah blah blah you’ll be able to easily speed stealth stuff.

#1 reason I have wiped in rooms is because my team tried stealthing a tough room we could have easily pulled.

[heavy siren]

long range aggro moment

[pearl mural]

Yah dude

[quiet stone]

https://tenor.com/view/ugly-scary-scared-wide-eyed-gif-23099821

[pearl mural]

Ma! Call the fuckin cops!

[wet kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/fell-gif-11242683397767497522

[quiet stone]

https://tenor.com/view/gumbus-gubus-gumbusandgracie-yawning-cat-gif-14168074115097722602

[tulip heath]

@somber burrow

[quiet stone]

https://tenor.com/view/tole-tole-mei-mei-gif-1087095489665647337

[quiet stone]

https://tenor.com/view/tole-tole-mei-mei-tole-tole-cat-mei-mei-cat-tole-tole-mei-mei-gif-5406661688992311192

[kind swan]

Water Car..

[quiet stone]

https://tenor.com/view/tole-tole-cute-cat-funny-pineapple-gif-7966484346900323826

[graceful garden]

guys should i take it

[solemn wigeon]

YES!

I LOVE RANDOM BULLSHIT

[graceful garden]

benthic bloom enjoyer ig

i have no movement anyway so might asw

wow it fucked up my build

death mark- war bonds

i need death mark bro

its over

[solemn wigeon]

:3

BB my beloved

[graceful garden]

nvm it turned my scrap into pocket icbms

🥰

[quiet stone]

https://tenor.com/view/hog-boar-emoji-mindblown-mind-blown-slideshow-meme-gif-26390794

[olive sky]

Playing Rex Not on Eclipse 8? I thought you are into CBT

[graceful garden]

Sometimes I like to have fun

[quiet stone]

Not if you play vanilla GTFO!

[olive sky]

most modded survivors are kinda whack tho

[tulip heath]

whats the highest vanilla zone number?

[winter wharf]

off the top of my head i think it's something in the 700s

[hot bear]

moment

[tulip heath]

Slug sniper moment

[quiet stone]

https://tenor.com/view/touhou-remilia-remila-scarlet-ugly-gif-14196386817054083630

[heavy siren]

even if u install bullpapa, its still shit

[quiet stone]

Bullpup has always been shit. Never was balanced well.

[prisma zodiac]

I think it was quite good in og r5

[quiet stone]

Cannot remember, was it even a thing back then?

Pistol was the god tier weapon in OG R5

and HEL Gun

[prisma zodiac]

No

It wasnt brought back yet

[mossy yoke]

This is for game spoilers. Anything game related can be talked about here without fear of spoiling anyone. You do not need to use the spoiler formatting or marking content as spoiler. Content that counts as spoiler (which can be freely posted here):

Anything from #dev-leaks.
All new content from a rundown/release for 2 weeks.
Future info such as from the PR Media Kit.
Data mined weapon stats, enemy health, and voice lines available via in-game may be shared

⚠️ DO NOT POST: Unreleased content (things you can't access immediately by playing the game normally.) This includes (but isn't limited to) information, screenshots and videos of unreleased weapons, tools, enemies, props, environments, game mechanics as well as audio clips.

_ _

_ _

[vestal mountain]

Guys, please keep this channel on topic, which is GTFO.

[rare crane]

uwu bullpup

bullpup is an aphrodisiac

[subtle vault]

The bullpup is the warden

[turbid cliff]

Kinda feel like the content is gonna get real mixed up

Oh you're talking r3b1? Have some spoilers for r3d1

[hexed vapor]

SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE

That's always been an issue, though.

Probably better to think of this as the "completed the rundown" channel

[turbid cliff]

I mean with spoiler marks you have
In b1 ||blah blah|| and so on, easily separated when civilized people speak

Here it's what you said

Weird that pr media and ludvig leaks count though

I guess if this channel is used a lot I'll just stick to other channel convos with spoiler marks, it's not exactly a problem

[mossy yoke]

Oh you're talking r3b1? Have some spoilers for r3d1 :GWcorbinTopKek:
@turbid cliff Within this channel, everything is a spoiler, you don't come in here wanting to only see a spoiler for one thing and not something else. This is a no holds back. But outside of here for 2 weeks after new content (such as R2 launch, or another 2 weeks after D2/E1) then anything about that content needs to be spoiler marked (in other channels like #gtfo-chat )

[turbid cliff]

Ye i get it

Just that it's gonna be reddit 50/50 challenge when you come here without progressing to the fullest of new content

[mossy yoke]

@atomic escarp the lore channel is already a spoiler heavy channel too, such that comes with the same warning

[wet wigeon]

I'm trying to find what is known about the bullpup, where was it spoiled

[subtle vault]

In a live stream

[polar vale]

so whats the new ludv leak about

new weap?

[subtle vault]

ya

2

guass gun and guass rifle

[atomic escarp]

Maybe it could be a new buffed DMR ;)

[subtle vault]

I think that would be the carbine

[molten cedar]

is the shotgun sentry still around?

[subtle vault]

For R3

[molten cedar]

am i gonna have to start using the burst sentry

[subtle vault]

maybe

[molten cedar]

[atomic escarp]

They're probably going to buff the burst sentry because of how weak it is.

[molten cedar]

i hope so

[atomic escarp]

Although, it would be interesting to see the burst as a stunning weapon/support instead of straight killing power.

[timid gale]

would be nice if they could have sentries aim at the rest of the body instead of only the head hitbox, kind of like an "randomizer" to it's aim

burst would probs miss less

[gleaming kraken]

they better buff the burst sentry

sick of having to refill them every other shot

[rancid basalt]

carbine

[turbid cliff]

so carbine is burst smg

but did you hear the sentry on the left, it sounded different from burst to me

[feral token]

id say its either a new sentry or a revamped burst sentry

maybe its a combo of burst and shotgun, so instead of the sentry being like a mounted pump shotgun its a mounted combat shotgun

[gloomy flame]

idk if I am hearing it right, but sounds kinda like a machine gun

[craggy summit]

I knew I wasn't dreaming when I heard the carbine fire in burst

[gloomy flame]

that's what I hear on the left at least

[feral token]

yeah it could also just be someone elses gun

[gloomy flame]

mhm, but we're definitely getting something to replace the shotgun sentry, since it's rundown specific it says

but it doesn't mean we're getting another sentry

[turbid cliff]

middle top, the navigation thing, showed no teammates there

[feral token]

i mean rundown specific doesnt mean its definitely gone in R3

it could be gone but it could still be there too

[gloomy flame]

true

but I think it will be gone next rundown

I assume the rundown specific tag means it will be the one changing

between rundowns

and COULD be brought back, but WILL change

[craggy summit]

Well they did have a sentry gun in the past that was a machinegun so it isn't off the table

[gloomy flame]

that's my opinion tho

[feral token]

we can only wait and see for now

[gloomy flame]

mhm, we'll have to see

[craggy summit]

The carbine seems to handle very similarly to the burst

I feel like the burst might either be changed quite a bit or replaced by it

[gloomy flame]

I just realized the gauss rifle is a special weaponn

so it isn't a replacement for DMR or anything

[feral token]

both the gauss weapons are special

[gloomy flame]

there is another gauss weapon?

[feral token]

theyre probably high damage weapons like sniper or somni

gauss gun and gauss rifle

[gloomy flame]

gauss gun? Where was that one shown?

[feral token]

in the ludvig leak yesterday its the weapon ludvig is using

[velvet flower]

On the first ludvig's leak, on top of the host's loadout

[gloomy flame]

I mean rifle

where is gauss rifle shown, thought the ludvig one was the rifle

[feral token]

its seen in one of the other devs loadouts in the same video

[craggy summit]

I think the gauss gun is meant to be a pseudo sniper rifle while the gauss rifle might be a pseudo machinegun, maybe something like the old MG

[turbid cliff]

i still think it's the same gun

[gloomy flame]

there isn't any name given to their guns, Soy

so how do you know it's a gauss rifle?

unless I am missing something here

[feral token]

if you look above henkes head at the end of the video you can see his special weapon is the gauss rifle

[gloomy flame]

oh, ofc

[feral token]

i mean it could just be a thing where the name is shown different in your screen compared to someone elses

[gloomy flame]

yeah, that's my guess, I don't think they'd call one gun a gauss rifle and one a gauss gun

but we don't know for sure

could be the same as Shotgun Sentry showing as Sentry Gun on other people's screen

[feral token]

yea

again, we'll have to wait and see

[gloomy flame]

mhm, damn, missed that small detail of him seeing his teammate's loadout

thanks for pointing it out tho 🙂

[feral token]

i didnt realise at first either, someone else pointed it out to me

[mellow creek]

nice looks like carbine is an upgrade to burstrifles

[calm vessel]

its doesnt look like an upgrade

[gloomy flame]

seems about the same

[calm vessel]

has less control

and might be less range

[gloomy flame]

has more ammo count per mag

[calm vessel]

might be less dmg per shot though

[gloomy flame]

it seems to do similar damage

1-2 bursts to the head will kill

[calm vessel]

it also shoots four shots per burst

[feral token]

it may be more similar to the smg than the assault rifle

[calm vessel]

looks pretty short

[gloomy flame]

but those enemies ran through sentries, might have taken damage from those

oh, didn't notice it shot 4 shots per burst

idk why, guess I just assumed it shot 3

so yeah, it prob does less damage overall, but has more ammo

[calm vessel]

looks like theyre keeping the machine pistol too

[gloomy flame]

given that each burst used about 1%

[calm vessel]

they might be keeping the current weapons and adding new ones

i hope they keep weapons

[gloomy flame]

ah, so that answers the question then on whether some rundown specific weapons will stay

since the MP is rundown specific, right?

[feral token]

yeah i think you can see MP in the last ludvig leak

but that could just be them keeping it for their build and removing it in the full release

[gloomy flame]

that's true

[calm vessel]

rundown specific might also just be the balance of the weapon for that rundown

like with the machine gun

[craggy summit]

carbine will definitely do less damage with that 4 round burst and 380+ max ammo capacity

if not then it makes the burst rifle more op than it already is

[willow coral]

👀

[craggy summit]

Hmmmm suspicion.......

[turbid cliff]

https://discordapp.com/channels/408196129470152705/714910123277025421/715122010954399794 imma be quoting this a lot

[craggy summit]

oh I missed that

pretty apt description for it

[willow coral]

I'd be prone to agree to that!

it's like a close range burst rifle

[gloomy flame]

oh, close range, neat

we got another detail 😉

[calm vessel]

form the size you could suspect that though

the longer the gun the longer the range

[gloomy flame]

that's true, didn't think of that

[calm vessel]

would be funny though seeing a small handgun with the range of a sniper

[willow coral]

haha, aint true of the revolver thou

😉

[gloomy flame]

the revolver is pretty big tho

and is medium range

[calm vessel]

i suck to much to use the revolver

[gloomy flame]

so it is kinda true to the revolver

[feral token]

desert eagle when?

[willow coral]

fair enough

[calm vessel]

revolver use buck shot when?

[willow coral]

burst revolver, when

[gloomy flame]

sniper machine gun, when

[calm vessel]

tank when?

[mortal granite]

the new gun is silence

[gloomy flame]

which one? and what makes you say that?

both make noise similar to the other guns in the game

[calm vessel]

no silent weapons

thats illegal

[gloomy flame]

oh, he was talking about the joke lol

not the actual new guns

[calm vessel]

if the gun is silent the ricochet will make noise most likely

[gloomy flame]

I could see a suppressed gun that only wakes up enemies within a 15-20 meter radius instead of the normal 30-35 meter range

maybe could allow you to hear the enemy footsteps better in combat

and have less muzzle flash

[calm vessel]

turns out it has the range of a mallet

[gloomy flame]

if the guns can have giant holographic sights, a simple suppressor wouldn't be that far out of reach

but suggesting the gun be completely silent in terms of enemies hearing it, that's too far imo

[turbid cliff]

maybe a gun with noise centered on impact instead of you, though you'd need some special mechanics to make use of that

[gloomy flame]

like the opposite of the sniper at ranges of 30+ meters

[obtuse surge]

you guys see the chat in ludvig leaks

ludvig confirmed no mic player

[mellow creek]

ooo r3b1 is the same as r2b3

[craggy summit]

I think they are using it as a placeholder for now

they probably don't want to spoil the new objectives

[mellow creek]

oooooooooo

[obtuse surge]

maybe

it's not the exact same

2 terminals v 1/3

[gloomy flame]

it's the same objective idea as R2B3 and R2C1, yeah

and he just put it in the chat probably as a reminder, so they don't forget

I used to do that sometimes

[mint gazelle]

Guys i cant understand the last two leaks, can anyone explain?

[feral token]

they show some of the new guns

[mint gazelle]

So the first new leak was a long range weapon that has suppressor and only wakes the near u right?

But i couldnt think about the second one , maybe a burst rifle with good recoil?

[brittle crescent]

The carbine seems shoot in 4-shot-burst way?

🤔 (if not, the player do has a very accurate finger🤣

[mortal granite]

4 burst

[brittle crescent]

😵

I'm bad at using burst weapons...

me rekt

[stiff cave]

excellent a spoilery chat

[hexed vapor]

@obtuse surge Who doesn't put objectives in text chat?

Dude, if carbine is an ammo efficient burst with low range it's going to be my favorite weapon.

I love burst rifle, but use MP for the ammo efficiency.

Also, 20m flashlight

[turbid cliff]

Who doesn't put objectives in text chat?

[calm vessel]

@west crow carbine is a 4 burst weapon with more recoil and less range and its looks like a looser spread too compared to the BR

[west crow]

I don't see how that's mechanically dissimilar

[calm vessel]

i would say its more of an smg

but burst

they both have different roles

if i controlled my shots with the smg i assume thats what the carbine would be

[west crow]

So you'd agree that the carbine and the smg is the mechanical equivalent to the burst rifle compared to the AR

[calm vessel]

yea, BR is more to the AR than the carbine.

its just a controlled version of the smg

which i think is good

[west crow]

BR turned out to be a nice alternative, so maybe the carbine will be the same

[calm vessel]

BR rate of fire is insane

i hope the carbine will allow you to shoot as fast as you can press LM

[west crow]

We will have to wait and see

[calm vessel]

maybe it does have a really tight spread and ludvig is moving his cursor, idk. i guess we will see.

just went to test weapons and their spread and found out that when you ADS the bullet shoots where the dot is on the sight and hip fire gives it a random pattern, although some guns seem to have less spread based on their reticle, which expand after you shoot for some increasing the spread. didn't realize that before.

[mellow creek]

nice

means its a leadup to the lab

[craggy summit]

looking at the video again, the rate of fire for the carbine is even more insane than the BR

[calm vessel]

wdym? he doesnt shoot it as fast as you possibly can

oh you mean per burst

[atomic escarp]

Yeah the Carbin just looks like the burst rifle.

So than what would be the point of the burst rifle?

[turbid cliff]

br is rundown-specific

you can assume it won't be a thing anymore in r3

[atomic escarp]

Thank goodness.

Never really liked the BR

[turbid cliff]

me neither but i don't think imma like carbine either

[atomic escarp]

I think it is a waste of ammo when you can have more precision weapons like the DMR or Revolver that can kill most targets in one hit

Well to the head ofc

[sullen sigil]

Revolver is hard

😢

[atomic escarp]

@sullen sigil But it's a very viable weapon if you know how to use it.

[sullen sigil]

Here’s the thing

I don’t

Takes like 3 body shots if you miss

Long reload

:/

[atomic escarp]

IF you miss. If you don't and get headshots, it can make kiting easier. I am actually thinking of getting good with that myself considering I love the sniper so much.

[sullen sigil]

Yea but combat shotgun fills that role well

• larger clip size

Easier to hit

Revolver is only effective if you have enemies running at you straight... which is where all guns are good

[atomic escarp]

I disagree, it is harder to get that consistent headshot 1 kill in with C shotgun. With the revolver, it has range meaning you don't need to get in close risking a few hit with kiting. The CM shotgun is a great wave/group clearing weapon, although I prefer the normal shotgun with the better damage and the ability to finish specials quicker and more efficient.

[sullen sigil]

Yeah c shotgun takes some finicking

[calm vessel]

BR is a great weapon

i love it

[sullen sigil]

You can get good at it though

Mhm. It’s fun

[calm vessel]

its better than AR

[sullen sigil]

Agreed

Ar has great damage though

[atomic escarp]

I an bit sure if I am right but the C shotgun can't 1 shot scouts which is really needed for E1 when shit hits the fan.

[calm vessel]

i used to do controlled bursts on the AR before BR came about

i prefer the shotgun over the combat shotgun

[atomic escarp]

I really, really like the SMG. The reload speed makes it a perfect weapon for me.

[calm vessel]

sometimes a shot from the CS from kill a sleeper

[sullen sigil]

It burns ammo fast

[calm vessel]

its more reliable though

[sullen sigil]

Always it will if you do it right

[calm vessel]

more range too

[sullen sigil]

Shotgun can body shot though

[calm vessel]

more pellets and dmg per pellet

[atomic escarp]

The shotgun is good. You need to know how to save and be more efficient with the ammo.

[sullen sigil]

Mhm

[atomic escarp]

For me, since I am a sniper main. It's easy to do.

[sullen sigil]

That’s why me with 50 hrs likes the cs 😅

[atomic escarp]

The Pump Shotgun is much better than the Combat Version in my opinion.

Same, here too for me.

What?

I am saying it is as well for me.

[calm vessel]

i think its just a garneted kill with the shotgun rather than the chance of having to use two shots with the CS

[atomic escarp]

True

[sullen sigil]

😅 true

[calm vessel]

it also domes scouts from 5 meters away

[atomic escarp]

The Pump Shotguns Spread is a lot tighter than the Combat.

More pellets hitting the target

[halcyon geyser]

||Hi||

[atomic escarp]

||thats not a spoiler||

[turbid cliff]

~50 kills

yeah that seems like the usual

[calm vessel]

why the hammer is the best weapon

doesnt need ammo

infinite kills

[turbid cliff]

Long Range Hammer in consumable slot

[calm vessel]

c-foam hammer when

boom hammer when

[turbid cliff]

AR had better receive a significant buff

[calm vessel]

AR now applies splash damage on hit

it makes the enemies wet and slips them

[turbid cliff]

[hexed vapor]

AR really should be between SMG and BR.

[calm vessel]

in range or dmg?

[hexed vapor]

It is already, but is way too weak.

Efficiency

It's extremely close to BR, despite being far harder to use

[turbid cliff]

it is the worst primary by ammo pack - kills

by far

[calm vessel]

i think its harder to use because the recoil on BR is non-existent

and that makes you have to control the AR

[turbid cliff]

listen

[calm vessel]

wouldnt be so bad if it only had vertical recoil

[turbid cliff]

you're literally better off double shotting every striker with DMR than using AR

[calm vessel]

i'd rather use my hammer than either gun

i dont like the sights on the dmr

and the AR feels not so good to use

[turbid cliff]

way to completely miss the point but w/e

[calm vessel]

i get your point

[hexed vapor]

Pretty sure AR is more capable than DMR

[calm vessel]

the AR isnt efficient

but i think the AR is better than the DMR

if you miss with the DMR its not forgiving

[hexed vapor]

11 kills vs 7 kills per ammo pack

[calm vessel]

and if you go DMR its better to go a cqc secondary

or just run and kite with hammer

AR definitely has better crowd control over the DMR

but if im using it for that why wouldn t i use smg?

[hexed vapor]

DMR: 7
BR: 9
Pistol: 10
AR: 11
SMG: 14
MP: 15

@turbid cliff

Kills per ammo pack

[calm vessel]

thats even if you hit every shot on crit

[turbid cliff]

i'm going in just to check that with ar but i'm pretty sure you're abusing the head thing in that counting

[calm vessel]

which would be hard not to miss one or two every now and then

[turbid cliff]

which i wouldn't count for this

[calm vessel]

head thing?

[hexed vapor]

Literally no reason not to hit the head still.

Especially on strikers

[turbid cliff]

i mean it's gonna be patched so

[calm vessel]

theyre nerfing head shot dmg?

[hexed vapor]

No, we're talking about the head hitbox lingering

[turbid cliff]

you can hit the heads of enemies that have had their heads exploded

[calm vessel]

i can see why that would be patched

[hexed vapor]

I expect the neck hole will remain a crit spot, even after the head is gone.

[turbid cliff]

laughs in scout

[hexed vapor]

This is also about R2 balance

[calm vessel]

please let the head blow off if you smack shoulder

i was close enough ;-;

[hexed vapor]

The head blowing off doesn't mean jack shit

[calm vessel]

on a scout?

[hexed vapor]

Any enemy

[calm vessel]

thought it insta kills scouts

[hexed vapor]

Damage is never based on the destruction of body parts.

[atomic escarp]

it does matter, doing dmg to the head means more than in the leg.

[balmy robin]

I met the poorest striker in E1 yesterday. He had only the legs remaining and took two minutes to reach us at the end of an alarm. We watched him painfully crawl his way towards us :'(

[calm vessel]

i love seeing that

[hexed vapor]

@atomic escarp The destruction of the body part does not.

You're not talking about that.

[calm vessel]

funniest shit ive ever seen

[turbid cliff]

yeah as I personally counted, it takes 8 shots without the head abuse
Yes, no sane person would ignore the head exploit, but it's still not something i'd consider when talking about weapon balance

"nah ar is at a good point cuz it's fine with the head bug"

ok m8

[hexed vapor]

That's literally an issue with automatic weapons, then.

DMR and BR would both be extraordinarily more effective than any automatic weapon.

[turbid cliff]

🤔

[atomic escarp]

you're incorrect @hexed vapor

[hexed vapor]

Give me one test that can prove your view

[atomic escarp]

I know what I am on about. Dmg to body parts matters.

I dont' need to prove anything, you do your opinion I'll do mine.

[calm vessel]

they do, pretty sure they each have a %