gtfo-spoiler-chat

[solemn wigeon]

The path is safe, the path is your friend

[glossy crescent]

He was being stupid

Nah
Taking shortcuts is better

[solemn wigeon]

I hope you get lost or stuck trying to cut corners

[glossy crescent]

Is that a challenge?

[solemn wigeon]

I want you to go through the blue door in scp:cb and ignore the path in the forest

[glossy crescent]

Okokok actually

I should do that

I have only been there once in the hundreds of times i have played SCP CB

[solemn wigeon]

[sullen finch]

Placing overload cell for the disinfect room?

R5a3

[prisma zodiac]

a specific one at that yes

[nocturne flax]

playing with short rifle yesterday

such a good gun eva

i was so in control of my situation

[astral ferry]

another person who gets it

[nocturne flax]

it was sarcasm

that shit was ass

can we please add trus vanilla rebalance weaponry

[solemn wigeon]

Don't dash my hope like that

Is there no chance for short rifle

[wanton stump]

Yea there is

[winter wharf]

short rifle kinda owns

[solemn wigeon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3zc633RbBw Rayalot has shown us the light. it's possible to kill a scout with melee in such a risky situation!!! :^) Such a classic

[deft kiln]

Yet my friends don’t want to see me with feeler extended

But for Ray everyone loves it what can I say he always gets the girl

[solemn wigeon]

I am an empath and i can tell you are frustrated and disappointed

[wanton stump]

tf

[nocturne flax]

I was rayalot biggest fan

every scout killing video im there

also true

he does get the girl

[ionic socket]

yo

does anyone know if a scout can spawn multiple waves

[glossy crescent]

Only one wave

[stone harbor]

Not really, how it works is that it shares the same pool as alarms IIRC, the idea is that if you wake up more than one (like R6C1's scout room), the enemies spawn in "waves" according to how many "slots" are free.

By itself, no single scout in the game, as far as I remember, can fill AND go over said cap

[raw spindle]

Waking up a scout may or may not lead to an endless surge alarm

[pseudo lily]

generally in like 90% of levels, each scout will spawn a wave of up to 12 enemies. but since there’s a spawn cap of 25 enemies in vanilla, anything extra will get queued up and wait until there’s space.

simplifying svs roles, weights, groups…. lol

[bold patrol]

Every time you enter the wrong password a wave will spawn

[solemn wigeon]

Every time you enter the wrong code, the code count resets to 1

[bold patrol]

[oblique bone]

that one lvl on r4 or r5 with secondary obj with 10-12 codes uplink terminal 😂

[winter wharf]

R4C1 was 12 codes

R5C1 is 10

[oblique bone]

oh, i forgot r5 had 10 codes too

i meant r4 one

[winter wharf]

ya i figured, still funny though

[oblique bone]

ah right, lvl with shadows on sec

[kind swan]

Nah gotta restart the whole level. No skill issue in putting codes in allowed

[hexed elm]

Has anybody managed to pull off a cfoamless nightmare scout stealth kill yet?

I remember I was gonna try pulling one off with my team back when r8 released we but never got around to it

[blazing barn]

you can with scatter client

or client sniper with any special damage boost

[hexed elm]

Nah I mean with melee. Not sure if patches changed things and made it impossible. But it should be hypothetically possible to do with 4 spears

[blazing barn]

they have 161 hp

[hexed elm]

You can technically get an occiput shot on them because of buggy hitboxes

[blazing barn]

you need 41 damage on average on ur spear

i dont think its possible with base spear

but what would be funny is if you quad mine it

idk if u can mine nightmare svouts

someone confirm if you can or cant

[hexed elm]

Unless they updated things. It is hypothetically possible if 4 perfectly people time their spear hits

2 on bubble, 2 on the buggy as heck invisible head hitbox

[blazing barn]

shouldve just went to the cfoam storage area lmao

[hexed elm]

Its not at all a practical strategy, unlike sync killing charger scouts. But like, its moreso a fun thing to try out

[blazing barn]

yeah i mean the nightmare scouts were never meant to be for melee anyways

[hexed elm]

Yee, though its fun that it is technically possible. Could be nice for e2 if a team was able to do it consistently enough

Like, its not as helpful as being able to do a c-foamless melee charger scout kill. Since they dont show up as often, but it do be funni

[blazing barn]

i dont think nightmare scouts spawn in E2

[hexed elm]

After the class 6

Pretty sure at least

Its been a year since I played it though

[blazing barn]

i am not sure cuz i cant get to the class 6 without a carry so i dont havr experience

[hexed elm]

Ah fair enough

God e2 is such a good level

[hexed elm]

But yeah, that zone after the class 6 is scary cause its got a few scouts, sleeping tanks. And you just gotta race to the terminal with what little time youve got left after the class 6

[deft kiln]

Correct

But no one has done it yet it seems

[solemn wigeon]

Time to do it

[hexed elm]

Daaang. I might make a custom level with a respawn roomed nightmare scout that doesnt spawn a wave just to grind it out then

[solemn wigeon]

Just go r8d2

[hexed elm]

See that works, but would also be mildly more annoying resetting after each failed attempt

[prisma zodiac]

And host

[prisma zodiac]

You can just get 4 back hits if timed well ngl

[blazing barn]

oh tumoer doesnt pop from 1 shot?

rather 1 big shot

[prisma zodiac]

Well it does

You either need a crazy back and front shot (done that ~6 times) or just hit the wonky neck part of the hitbox where it just has no dmg reduction or crit (so scatter just kills as host)

[blazing barn]

ah i see

sometimes its all comes down to the wack hitbox ( just to sound dramatic )

[prisma zodiac]

Ive done a pure melee kill no foam once

[hexed elm]

Hell yeah

[blazing barn]

eva stronk

[prisma zodiac]

wouldnt recommend

Melee megamom is more fun than that

not as bad as kraken tho 💀

[blazing barn]

lol

[hexed elm]

Im sorry.. w h a t?

Why would you put yourself through that??

[prisma zodiac]

well
it was kinda fun still

made for a fun video

[blazing barn]

was gonna ask about that

[hexed elm]

Now you just gotta melee kill pablo

[prisma zodiac]

Also whats this question

Im currently on my way to pacifist the whole game

[prisma zodiac]

Not possible sadly (luckily)

Takes 0 dmg

[hexed elm]

Oh shoot he takes 0 damage now?

[prisma zodiac]

always has

[blazing barn]

not exactly "now"

[prisma zodiac]

the time where he bugged he spawned back at 0 hp so updating it = kill

[hexed elm]

Ah, I thought he just had a goofy large ammount of health

[prisma zodiac]

but its the only unkillable enemy (and only enemy you cant melee kill) in the game

[prisma zodiac]

That
And masis dmg reduction which rounds any vanilla dmg to 0

[hexed elm]

Ah I see I see

[blazing barn]

would u still try if u use a plugin mod to make him take normal damage

even full damage from hammers and such

no damage reduction

[hexed elm]

Me when I go into cconsole and set onehitkill to true

[prisma zodiac]

unlikely

[hexed elm]

Anyway, whats everybodys favorite level?

[winter wharf]

uhh idk r4e1 or something

[blazing barn]

e2

[hexed elm]

Fair, my personal favorite is r8e2

[prisma zodiac]

If you did full dmg, it would take around 4 hours of perfect play to kill pablo

With non stop hits

of melee of 4 players

[hexed elm]

Maybe if you got him stuck somewhere it would at least not require perfect play?

[prisma zodiac]

R6D3

R3D1, R8E2 and a few others are honorable mentions

R8E2 has the best glitches ngl

[hexed elm]

R6d3 is a good one

[hexed elm]

Oh? Ive not heard of them. Pray tell what are they?

[prisma zodiac]

Kinda

it would just make it easier preferably ye

Still 4 hours at best

[prisma zodiac]

well 1 is how we meleed kraken

[blazing barn]

i like R6's main levels

[prisma zodiac]

and 2 is how you do the level without doing objectives (not doing reactor or kraken)

[hexed elm]

How the heck do you do that?

[prisma zodiac]

Ive got vids if you are interested

Cuz writing it out

Is longer

[winter wharf]

Massive OOB

[blazing barn]

check them out!!

[hexed elm]

R6 is pretty good. Overall I think most levels kinda suffer from a lack of design focus. But r6 and onward is where the game easily gets the most consistently interesting level design wise

[hexed elm]

Mayhaps mayhaps

[blazing barn]

R4 and R5 moment

[prisma zodiac]

Actual run with oob:

https://youtu.be/H_LdQThxNds?si=Q7pFUXabkbVF9K_e

skip video only:

https://youtu.be/JXlUQxa4Lqs?si=MVfMADfoYX98MUZs

kraken melee only:

https://youtu.be/KxfozBtUS6Y?si=mqePcLlZO2D6pp4V

[hexed elm]

God, dont even get me started on r4c2 and r5d1

[prisma zodiac]

Oh shit

Right embeds are on here

sry lol

[blazing barn]

embed!!

[prisma zodiac]

Def agree for most of it

[blazing barn]

i like the 2nd thumbnail

c:

[kind swan]

Fkn Eva character with Spear xD

[prisma zodiac]

poke poke

[blazing barn]

cant go wrong with that

[inland island]

This game sucks (its so peak)
And I hope it dies (more updates please)

[astral ferry]

it's already dead :(

[solemn wigeon]

Gotta design your own forest environment

[winter wharf]

my own forest environment? somewhere hidden but not isolated, a nice house with my partner(s), some lambs to cook in curries and sacrifice to satan or baphomet, etc etc

deciduous trees

[merry elm]

most sane goat message

[winter wharf]

nothing new ¯_(ツ)_/¯

i apologise for unleashing more of my brain upon the world

[merry elm]

I'd eat a lamb rn ngl

[blazing barn]

lamb kebab

[winter wharf]

i'm so hungry i could eat a lamb

[solemn wigeon]

I'd eat your shortbread

[merry elm]

WHAT

[solemn wigeon]

Give it here

[kind swan]

[livid heath]

Blud not missing out on quota

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1304576453404262452/1308720991224070144/AjTstaLm.gif

[kind swan]

I rolled red like 4x in a row

[solemn wigeon]

It's so much fun leaving reality behind

[olive sky]

we are walking and circles, and the circles are never ending

[livid heath]

It is nevr ending

[deep flame]

just reminded myself of the pricision rifle's fullauto ability

feels like such a silly thing

[olive shoal]

strongest auto

[kind swan]

I miss when helshotgun had a faster rof.

[torpid niche]

birdies are robotic, roses are made of clay

[winter wharf]

how are you gonna say that when combat shotgun is right there

[summer bolt]

Strongest auto is hel revolver

[winter wharf]

that's not actually auto though

[summer bolt]

I made a joke, not funny though i know

[raven flare]

strongest auto is a hybrid

[outer jacinth]

nah it has too long reload

[raven flare]

but the payoff is worth altho u have to have line of sight with ur target otherwise its wasted

[deep flame]

Strongest semi spam is helgun

Nothing beats that sound and recoil

[astral ferry]

me trying to spam 0.3 hel gun

[olive shoal]

:D

[blazing barn]

its like choke mod but i cant aim

major skill issue

[solemn wigeon]

Free my man, 0.1 hel gun did nothing wrong

[livid heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1304576453404262452/1308720991224070144/AjTstaLm.gif

[solemn wigeon]

Stop quoting mili

[livid heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1304576453404262452/1308720991224070144/AjTstaLm.gif

[solemn wigeon]

Insanity

[livid heath]

It is very crazy

[solemn wigeon]

Not me blasting the song in my car on my way home from work

[livid heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/717498714259980378/1322973240456511529/donpop.gif

[wary olive]

you need to go back and watch your forsake clear....

[weary spruce]

Round and round we go….

[livid heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1304576453404262452/1308720991224070144/AjTstaLm.gif

[solemn wigeon]

[blazing barn]

yes

[livid heath]

Migu

[blazing barn]

absolutely killing it

[solemn wigeon]

🐟

I wanna gtfo

[livid heath]

Im all about hearing it

[blazing barn]

big pointy ears

[solemn wigeon]

D tier

[livid heath]

S tier

[solemn wigeon]

[outer scaffold]

She looks too tall

It's like her ears take up a quarter of her height

[blazing barn]

why high heels when long ears

[solemn wigeon]

5'11 people desperately trying to be 6'

[tawdry crescent]

freedom units

[blazing barn]

you'll always be 3 digits long in non freedom units

[proud cloud]

Freedom units

Mods, flail this user's balls

[solemn wigeon]

No pls

[proud cloud]

Shoulda used global units sorry

[solemn wigeon]

I used to but it's not as funny

178cm people trying to be 180cm

[livid heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1304576453404262452/1308720991224070144/AjTstaLm.gif

[proud cloud]

It is real tho

Like the 180cm is very real

The amount of "180CM" dudes I have met that were my size/slightly short (I'm 179CM) is like

Unreal

[winter wharf]

Forever stuck ~173cm

[proud cloud]

Dwarf

Bet you yell "rock and stone" upon waking up

[solemn wigeon]

Im 178

[proud cloud]

Not small enough

Towering over people is nice

(tbf we in the right zone. Tall enough to pick up most things, not tall enough to get neck problems by working on desk)

[solemn wigeon]

Real

[proud cloud]

Do not weep, for we are peak human form

[blazing barn]

i will stand on a rocc

[proud cloud]

:3

[blazing barn]

[solemn wigeon]

Where square btw

[blazing barn]

have you ever tried being original

[solemn wigeon]

My whole name is stolen

All I've ever wanted to be is original

[glossy crescent]

Quadangalo?

[solemn wigeon]

yes

[solemn wigeon]

whar is your pfp btw

[solemn wigeon]

gg

[misty folio]

destiny player 🤢

[kind swan]

Hate the company not the game

[wanton stump]

.

[misty folio]

let me hate it

[kind swan]

Nah.

[sick phoenix]

why did we carry neonatal hsu the whole game?

[prisma zodiac]

Why not?

[sick phoenix]

what's the significance in the story?

[prisma zodiac]

Depends on which one

Neonate gets carried around for lore reasons twice

[sick phoenix]

so for what?

[prisma zodiac]

for whats inside it

[tropic pollen]

lmao

[blazing barn]

the baby

[tropic pollen]

eva, you could have just said "for the objective" and it would have been the same

[tropic pollen]

protec the child

or die trying

or just die

[blazing barn]

die together or GTFO together

[prisma zodiac]

well

i figure they havent dont r7

Otherwise they wouldve realized

R2E1 + R3 are more vague about it

[glossy crescent]

For the warden to use to communicate with people

Neonates are babies
We "grow" them for the warden

The mimic Schaeffer encounteres was a neonate

[solemn wigeon]

Was the real mimic henriksson after all

[olive sky]

https://tenor.com/view/the-mimic-зе-мимик-мимик-mimic-фнаф-gif-12813627261588943637

[glossy crescent]

I hope you get forced into the Legion program

[solemn wigeon]

wish that on me pls :D

[cosmic quail]

gaddamn

[scenic lion]

Any mission that is unanimously considered the most difficult one? (PE included)

[winter wharf]

r8e2

[scenic lion]

How does the community feel about r8 btw? I haven't done any r8 missions yet, stopped playing a bit before it came out

[deft kiln]

R8 is probs the best content in the game

From a gameplay perspective

The weapon balance rn isn’t great. Everything feels good but there is much better options

[scenic lion]

Too bad I get a maximum of 20fps on levels with trees 😭

[deft kiln]

Yup

Performance wasn’t improved

[scenic lion]

There needs to be a tree-cutter mod

[deft kiln]

A lot of bugs have been fixed or categories

[scenic lion]

That just gets rid of leaves or heavily reduces the lag caused by them

[deft kiln]

There is but it doesn’t help an insane amount

Mainly because it is the lighting calls that actually lags the game

[scenic lion]

I'll look into it then, it's half of the reason I haven't tried r8 yet

The performance is too bad on my laptop

[deft kiln]

But r8 is great

If you liked r6-r7

[scenic lion]

Yeah I feel like r7 missions are top tier, they're all super unique

I don't feel the same towards missions up to r6

[deft kiln]

R1-r5

Are werid

There is some good levels in there

But a lot of the time it feels unfocused

[scenic lion]

Yeah they were clearly experimenting

I really like r2d1

But other than that I don't remember any that stood out to me

[deft kiln]

Some of the favourites are the e tiers

R3d1

R4b2

R4c1. R5d2

[scenic lion]

Alright it's time to do a gtfo missions tier list

[deft kiln]

already been done

[prisma zodiac]

its very subjective in the end

But common favourites include
R3D1 and R7D2 (fast, combat heavy)
R4E1, R5E1 and R8E2 (3 hardest missions)

And well theres others that are commonly more liked but it depends on groups such as R6D3, R7C2, R4B2 etc

[prisma zodiac]

I think they meant favourites not difficulty

[raven flare]

rundown 8 my beloved oh how i dont like r4b2 is stupid

[deft kiln]

Huh?

[olive shoal]

Huh

[raven flare]

i dont like r4b2- i dont know why even

but it is such a... for me is about the same as r3b1 where is gtfo and i like gtfo but i just cannot get into it

[olive shoal]

yeah but how does that relate to rundown 8

[winter wharf]

i love r3b1 it's my favourite level in the game

[raven flare]

cuz cuz eva talked about good levels it's right there

[raven flare]

here

near the bottom

and the convo previous to that was about how r8 is good

[olive shoal]

why don’t you like r4b2

3 enemies too much?

definitely ending up in the pub tier

[raven flare]

hey i dont just dislike every level that has an error

maybe its just a combination of the pale lighting, the just-kinda-there overload, main that just exist so the fog can move

and of course the third of the seventy error of r4

which is done better in other levels

why is r4b2 colo palette just literally white

[merry elm]

is it b2 with like 3 rooms to choose or smth

in ov i think

[deft kiln]

It is 4

Excuse me

[olive shoal]

oh my bad

definitely ending up in the high quality pub tier

[deft kiln]

insane opinion alert

[merry elm]

lmao

[deft kiln]

Leveled where you are rushed

Are better

[olive shoal]

is that insane?

INSANE OPINION INBOUND

[prisma zodiac]

i generally also like levels which you can absolutely solve in at least somewhat fun ways

[olive shoal]

OXYGEN IS ACTUALLY BAD

[prisma zodiac]

beth o.O?

[olive shoal]

the levels where you aren't rushed are actually bad because it increases the chance of bass just afking in your game by about 500%

[merry elm]

okay that's enough of spoiler chat for today

[raven flare]

chat what we spoiling today

in titanic the guy dies

[merry elm]

fr?

[raven flare]

mayb

[merry elm]

didn't watch that actually

[deft kiln]

Dw I will alt tab in your games

No matter what happens in them

Need to respond to my discord e kittens

[olive shoal]

all 7 of them

[deft kiln]

9.5

Actually

[olive shoal]

my bad

[deft kiln]

Yeah

It should be

Your the .5

[narrow gulch]

wtf guys overlaod is the best part of r4b2

[deft kiln]

Sure thing 0.7

[olive shoal]

this chill dude guy is definitely going in the detrimental tier

he would definitely get mad at you for not pulling both scans

and he'd go pull the other one and run into the enemy wave

[plain saddle]

The double scan is so fun!! (The two burst sentries leaked 6 enemies to fight)

[olive shoal]

that’s why you run burst sentry

Fill your sentry to full

steal a tool pack

And just never put your sentry down

[hexed vapor]

P sure it is 3?

3 every 50sec

in OG at least

But I think it's the same still

[nocturne flax]

R3A3 should be deleted from the game

Non-Insane opinion

[hexed vapor]

Crazy take when R4 and R5 exist

[deep flame]

how do r2e1 last alarm

what do

what take for

advice need

[outer jacinth]

funnel enemies through the downstairs door to alarm room

if they break door close to alarm door it gets rough, but otherwise funnel downstairs with sentries and/or permafoam that door

as per usual hel shotgun slays, otherwise that specific surge if you funnel downstairs has good lines for something like hel gun

(untested strat)
holding upstairs door after teamscan but having one person in the adjacent room when holding might be viable? 3/2 people doing scans and 1/2 people pushing spawns and holding, then they can continue holding as scan person takes neonate?
enemies spawning in 609A/F/D seems at least a little better than B/E

[plain saddle]

Take 2 (or even 3) sentries, no foam. Place both sentries facing the small door.

[deep flame]

The one u power up in the smelly fog pit?

[plain saddle]

Place two sentries facing the door.

[deep flame]

Right.

Thanks

[hexed vapor]

Ah, right, the "last" alarm

[outer jacinth]

oh no...

[solemn wigeon]

Classic spoiler chat

[stone harbor]

It's one of those levels that would just need to be reworked so you can leave when you finish Overload

[stone harbor]

That's not the last alarm

We're in spoiler chat so I'll spoil the rest of it

[deep flame]

the last alarm starts in the same area, no?

[stone harbor]

Basically ||it's that, and another surge before the end|| and that's it. Dont forget the "cargo".

[stone harbor]

Not entirely sure extraction starts another alarm if that's what you're asking

[deep flame]

yeah the entire team has to carry sth

pod, battery, turbine

[stone harbor]

But basically, after starting error, there's 2 more alarms you're going to have to do.

[earnest minnow]

you basically can you just have to plug in cells

[stone harbor]

You know what I mean

[earnest minnow]

how would you rework it tho?

[stone harbor]

No extra sectors, overload is the only path

You grab the GLPs, you can go

OSIPs, whatever they were

[earnest minnow]

it would be a boring ass level with no sectors

[stone harbor]

Oh really?

Extreme would still be there, mind you

And it's 1 room

[earnest minnow]

oh the error as well

[stone harbor]

All it cuts from PE is what? 1 alarm and a cell fetch?

[stone harbor]

Maybe I explained myself wrong

[earnest minnow]

it would just be a super long run for glp's tho

[stone harbor]

Frosty it'd be like PE is now

just that you leave when you get the OSIPs

add a longer extraction scan to simulate the gen cluster loadup scan

And it's the same minus 1 cell fetch

well, 2 cell fetches

[earnest minnow]

i mean realistically they have to balance the level around main as well

i honestly think its not bad apart from that one cell which im not a huge fan of

with the room divider

[prisma zodiac]

4

The level would also be super short

as frosty just said, imo the biggest pain of r4b2 is getting the cells on the west path

Since youll usually go into them in full fog

[stone harbor]

I dont know, when I think about it, the interesting part of the level is basically getting Overload obj done

Everything else feels like it's there to pad the mission

[prisma zodiac]

its the interaction that makes it somewhat interesting

error on top of relevant fog level

If you take out main ovl is just base

Theres no more fog movement to play around

and then its just an osip mission

[stone harbor]

I mean you could keep the fog

[prisma zodiac]

The point of the fog is that putting in cells moves it

without main theres no way for that

R4B2 is fine as it is ngl

[stone harbor]

Well I assume there's technical limitations

[olive shoal]

im very surprised to see that some ppl arent a fan tbh

[stone harbor]

Since every obj needs a sector more or less that's how it works, right?

[prisma zodiac]

same here

like i dont love r4b2

But its a good mission

[stone harbor]

I like it until I need to go finish Main

[prisma zodiac]

maybe they couldve removed the buffer zone to moms and made it overall more of a choice thing

vs rng

[stone harbor]

It's like R4A3, I like it but I'd prefer if I could skip everything before Overload.

[prisma zodiac]

r4a3 issue is secondary

not main

secondary being dark + gathering is just eh

[stone harbor]

I mean Main doesn't really do much but whatever

[prisma zodiac]

main is supposed to be simple

Thats the point

Its so inoffensive

you get to ovl in like 3-4 min if you dont do secondary

[stone harbor]

Yeah, still, I'd prefer if I could skip everything before Overload

Not that it takes much to get there, it just feels like padding

It's the BEACH EPISODE of GTFO

Where the team goes to the Sanctonian beach

Dauda scream "UMI DAAAA"

[prisma zodiac]

lol

Think how meh r4a3ovl would be as a standalone

main gives you the option for ressource zone and multi spawns

on last alarm

[prisma zodiac]

this is a weird take imo

Secondary is clear filler, but main not

[hexed vapor]

Would forced reverse order go hard?

It'd be better, at least

[prisma zodiac]

better, sure

go hard? Nah

secondary just isnt engaging

grab ids in big dark zone with barely any threat

do 1 alarm with single entrance. Grab more id in smaller dark zone with no threat

[stone harbor]

I'd take it BUT Extreme physically needs to be after

[prisma zodiac]

r4a2 does it so much better ngl

if you had to do ovl before main in a2 it would be so funny

[stone harbor]

Like, instead of Main bulk it's the Extreme one and one of the two zones has the key to extraction

or something like that

[stone harbor]

Yes

R4A2 is IMHO very well structured...

[plain saddle]

No one thought of the easy way to fix r4b2. Overload OSIP zones just also have a cell each

Also mom zone should not have an extra alarm

[prisma zodiac]

I honestly dont think that this makes it better

Youd just have to backtrack for a long while with 4 cells.

[prisma zodiac]

Yea that random buffer zone (which can also simply have osips) is so unnecessary

[plain saddle]

It's a long cell walk no matter where you get the cells from

[deft kiln]

Tbh I think r4b2 is perfect

Great level

Not to many useless zones besides the random second alarm on mom zone

For no reason

[raven flare]

u can think of quite an amount of levels that dont rlly have useless zones tho

[deft kiln]

No a lot of levels have zones

That don’t do much

[raven flare]

well there is a difference between not doing much and just being useless tho- like even a lot of a tiers are constructed without useless zones

r1 r2 r3 r6 r7 r8 all A1s there dont rlly have any useless zones

[deft kiln]

R7c3 overload

Has a useless zone

[prisma zodiac]

r7a1 terminal zone

litteraly giga useless

[deft kiln]

^^

I would argue every split key zone is useless

btw

[prisma zodiac]

depends a bit

[deft kiln]

No material differences

[raven flare]

uh which ones the terminal zone- the schaeffer one? eh i mean lore?

[prisma zodiac]

but id agree generally

[prisma zodiac]

Move it to the main zone

[deft kiln]

Sorry this games lore

[prisma zodiac]

far less confusion

litteraly remove the zone distinction or smth

[raven flare]

but how would u see the hsus moving

[deft kiln]

Is disrupted

[raven flare]

D:

[deft kiln]

Just

Put the tile

At the end

[prisma zodiac]

og r6 being gone lore wise is the biggest mistake they did imo

[raven flare]

like the schaeffer audios?

[prisma zodiac]

the whole thing for the main path

But also the god damn extension

Its just oof now

[raven flare]

oh yeah it has like nothing its kinda funny

i... maybe if the interdimensional rapture happened in r6 rather than r8A1?

[prisma zodiac]

that happened in r7

no?

[raven flare]

like- in the middle of r6b1 u see the shake or something and then- the extensions are og and- ugh but would be confusing

[raven flare]

no- when the dimensions got together was the earthquake of r8a1

or thats the theory

cuz r7 doesnt have any signs of it happening

apart from, destination being there but that doesnt mean anything

[prisma zodiac]

brazil skip

Is the true lore

[kind swan]

[prisma zodiac]

dev confirmed (obviously as a meme)

[raven flare]

the true lore is that the immortal is several different entities

and thats

canon?

well not rlly cuz it happens on r8a2 sec

and thats a what if

but it is... semi canon

[kind swan]

is R8E2 Main only clear canon :)

[prisma zodiac]

funnily enough, there wouldnt rly be much against it

[raven flare]

i mean the fact that the platform wouldnt work

KSMDKSM

[prisma zodiac]

power is on

All that matters

[raven flare]

ah yes the lightbulb works defo enough for an interdimensional travel

ez

[prisma zodiac]

maybe thats why it explodes

[raven flare]

we just needed some of those power bicycles goddamn

dauda get on it

[prisma zodiac]

by moving away from reality (out of bounds) you create a ton of relative potential energy

By going back inside this energy is transfered into the mechanism and BOOM
Dimension travel

[raven flare]

if that energy is kinetic as caused by ur movement u would probably idk explode but

we need to test

[deft kiln]

Have we considered

Maybe GTFO

Was a dream

alll along

Of a dow character

I think this is a really compelling idea that should be flushed out

In a hit tv show

[olive shoal]

wake the fuck up samurai we’ve got a city to burn

[merry elm]

👁️

we've got a complex to escape

[earnest minnow]

Dream theory 😱

[deft kiln]

Thats what the mask is

THATS WHAT THE POINT OF THE MASK IS

[earnest minnow]

Bro I can’t write ANY SUS LYRICS IN HERE

[hexed vapor]

It comes very night without fail

[stone harbor]

Everyone was actually asleep?

Nice.

[nocturne flax]

I can hear them screaming

such hate

and angaaaaaa

[glossy quartz]

Hey guys, anyone know if they're planning on restocking their clothing from the merchandising store?

[kind swan]

Not likely given it was on a Clearance sale the last I checked.

[plain saddle]

@prisma zodiac Mines can alert enemies in neighbouring rooms, the enemy just needs to have LoS to a specific point. That point being... 1m from the mine in the direction away from the laser.

So if you place the mine on the ground, that point is just kinda always in the floor.

But placing mines on thin walls or other such things can allow alerts in neighbouring rooms.

[prisma zodiac]

Hm wonky but god it doesnt surprise me considering other gtfo mechanics…

But also not 1m isnt worth mentioning with how specific it is (for the guide at least). But can be a neat point for another potential quizshow question

[plain saddle]

Todays other finds include how sentry aggro works precisely:

Sentries wake enemies within 50/25/25/10m (Sniper/Burst/HEL Auto/Shotgun) regardless of number of rooms away. If the enemy is in a different room to the sentry, then they additionally need LoS to a point 1m above the sentry.

And the cursed one:

The sound from doors breaking is asymmetric. The side closer to the elevator does not require LoS to the door, while the side further from the elevator does. (Either way the range is 11m.)

[outer scaffold]

Shotgun is good for stealth then?

[plain saddle]

This is why the area C-D door in the R8E2 respawn room is so likely to wake a bunch of enemies in area C (but typically does not wake many in area D).

[plain saddle]

Sure.

[outer scaffold]

...I'm sorry, I'll see myself out

[prisma zodiac]

if it did anything better than a knife slashing maybe

[prisma zodiac]

Ok this is actually smth I didnt know, but was wondering about why it was inconsistent for directions

Altho 11m doesnt seem to fit? Theres 100% moments where it breaks closer then with no wakeup?

[misty ember]

Increase it pellets to 200 per shot so ut can cover a small corridor

[plain saddle]

My best guess for this is that the LoS check is doing some goofiness with what counts as the doors position

If the door's position is like, in the floor or a wall then yeah, one side is gonna get no wakes

But the 11m is tested and correct on the non-LoS side of doors

[misty ember]

LoS already goofy, if we remember how enemies aggro in modded with grenade launcher shots......

[prisma zodiac]

Do you know if it goes off of door center btw?

[plain saddle]

I'll try check a few doors

[prisma zodiac]

theres so much shit in this game that isnt quite known (often glitch related) but its funny to learn these things even if youll basically never use em

doors losing their hitbox for players :^ )

[plain saddle]

Small door position seems to be the dead center at the very bottom (could easily cause LoS issues with anything near the ground)

R1A1 doors also have a nice lil metal rail at the bottom of the door, which seems to completely block LoS

Same for big doors

[prisma zodiac]

[plain saddle]

Who would win, massive door break noise or:

One raily boi

[narrow gulch]

if a door breaks in the complex but no one was around to see it, did it make a sound?

[plain saddle]

Data center doors are similarly defeated

[misty ember]

The rail will block sound in it's metaphysical form and proceed to release reverse cursed technique called "Idc about your aggro, I must keep prisoners safe from this abominations" The doorbugger will reply "Are you the strongest rail because you won't aggro enemies or you won't aggro enemies because you are the strongest one"

[outer scaffold]

So no LoS?

Nice

[leaden matrix]

Anyone have any clue that why sometimes light testing.exe doesn't work?

[astral ferry]

as in straight up doesn't activate?

[outer scaffold]

You have to be host

For it to work

[leaden matrix]

What

[outer scaffold]

No more griefing beginner lobbies with infinite darkness

And infinite error alarm

[leaden matrix]

They fixed it?

[outer scaffold]

Been a while

Since anyone noticed

But yeah

It's fixed for a good few months now

Also sometimes it still doesn't work as intended and you can activate it off-host
I don't want to know why

[leaden matrix]

O.0

[outer scaffold]

(Apparently, anyways--someone talked about it after the fix was issued)

Might have been patched out Idk

I don't try to use it in lobbies anyways

[leaden matrix]

Tried when I play with my friends

It did not work...

So that's why

[raven flare]

think activating as client is like making a dow bomb

[leaden matrix]

I see now

[raven flare]

but idk i never input it when im not host

[leaden matrix]

True

[outer scaffold]

Still remember when people tell me R1A1 is very difficult
Cause after you complete the HSU scan the fog rises and the lights all turn off

[raven flare]

the funny

[leaden matrix]

Lmao

[raven flare]

guys why in r1b1 theres a random infinite alarm

D:

[leaden matrix]

Pretty sad alarm has a limit

[outer scaffold]

...Who said that?

[leaden matrix]

Giant max.

[outer scaffold]

Yeah, but you can infinite stack

[leaden matrix]

They should put mother charger stuff in when you type it mulit times

Yea but only strikers

[raven flare]

u can always mix all the commands

who doesnt love a striker shooter flyer infection shooter uhhh alarm

i forgot the others

[leaden matrix]

At least put some charger in it xd

[outer scaffold]

Nightmares are also there

I think

[leaden matrix]

Big charger and others

Was there?

[outer scaffold]

I mean if you want a fqed error alarm just play R7D2

[raven flare]

nah infection shooters r funner :3

[outer scaffold]

And open all the doors

[leaden matrix]

I don't remember see nightmares

[raven flare]

yes nightmare shooter/baby alarm

think its rascal dot exe?

[outer scaffold]

Yeah I think so

Just play R8E2 and let the timer run out

[livid heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1304576453404262452/1308720991224070144/AjTstaLm.gif

[outer scaffold]

It'll be fun

[leaden matrix]

So there's more than level m ?

[livid heath]

M=mixed

It means an alarm that has a fixed scans types

[raven flare]

M isnt for the level is a type of alarm

[livid heath]

No no slendi

Alarm types is another thing

Scan types*

[outer scaffold]

Mixed, Sustain, surge, clutser and... well, there's always that funny one

[raven flare]

i mean, u get what i mean ksmdk

[tawdry crescent]

zone

[leaden matrix]

So what are the other type.exe out there if I may ask

[livid heath]

Yes but they need clarification (big help as always slendi)

[outer scaffold]

scaler made a video on it

[raven flare]

uh rascal, spaguetti_and_meatballs, fried_chicken i think

[outer scaffold]

That pretty much lists it all out

[raven flare]

patpat

[leaden matrix]

Haha spaghetti

Oh shoot I thought you were joking....

Can't believe it is the one

[raven flare]

:3

the silly

[prisma zodiac]

https://youtu.be/P56wZzUZB4E?si=dRWkb7iMfi1dNH0R

all at the start for this one typed out aswell

[raven flare]

and in the thumbnail kinda kmdkm

[prisma zodiac]

ya

Slendi pics

[fervent trail]

very cool, is r4e1 all errors next?

[deep flame]

Advice for r2d2?

How hard is r3?

[earnest minnow]

easy

[deep flame]

Good

[glossy crescent]

2nd easiest rundown

[deep flame]

Balm for soul after e1

[deep flame]

Which's 1st easiest?

[glossy crescent]

R1

[deep flame]

Huh, makes total sense

[oblique bone]

Which part you struggling?

And how you play, with bots or real people

[heavy siren]

defend in reactor room

[winter pewter]

wwhy is reactor room recommended for holdin

like wwhat makes is good

[winter wharf]

avoids global spawn push

[raven flare]

holdiin in other places makes a lot of enemies take a very long time to get to u as they spawn further, and that isnt an issue in all reactors but

in this case it is for a lot of waves

plus there isnt as good of a spot in either place and they could misfire

like bridge is the more decent one but its still 2 sides with late spawns

[winter pewter]

I see, giants are also sloww and there are a bit of them in R2D2

so that makes the spawwn push worse too

I think

[winter pewter]

I wwould alwways hold in that one room

on the bottom of the map I believve

[raven flare]

yeah the... the west room

that

[winter pewter]

Yeah that's wwhere i wwould alwways hold because i wwas recommended it

I havve no idea howw to reactor hold

[raven flare]

wekl i havent done it cuz no gtfo at the moment but

i imagine u just go all west where theres no door

and remain

[heavy siren]

1-2 people watch bridge, the others watch sides

bring full team and good guns

[winter pewter]

Oh yeah wwe did that

it wwas uh fine

[heavy siren]

you can hold wherever tbh but reactor hold is easiest

never going back to holding in room A of first alarm zone

unless its matchmaking and they call for it

[winter pewter]

ah yes matchmakin

I nevver used it

[prisma zodiac]

You dont have to reactor hold
Bridge and similar holds, while they might have some late spawns, arent too bad either but generally easier to hold

(Only code 5 is somewhat „tight“ for its time limit“)

[heavy siren]

you can do bridge+reactor

[prisma zodiac]

thats what i typically do ye

[heavy siren]

good machine gun user holding bridge is chefs kiss

[prisma zodiac]

hel rifle

[heavy siren]

hel rifle supporting machine gun user when bigger bois come

[prisma zodiac]

Nah
Hel rifle killing 5 screens away

[tawdry crescent]

hel rifle supporting hel gun

[prisma zodiac]

machine gun user can clean up small leaks

[winter pewter]

wwe wwould hold on one of those bridges in reactor and then somewwhere else

[heavy siren]

tbh i only see people in mm use hel rifle

i cant remember the last time someone on discord took hel rifle

[prisma zodiac]

anyone whos good (and not playing 4fun)

Its a top 3 weapon

its too free

[heavy siren]

From what I've seen in matchmaking

If the guy takes hel rifle it's either an accident or the guy will know how to kite surges thru the entire level no matter at what point the wipe had occurred

woah wtf i just launched gtfo thru steam

and realised i forgot to do it modded

[scenic lion]

Does anyone know if there's a mod for the original game startup scream? I like the new one but I liked the original better

[raven flare]

u can maybe change it urself but i would ask the modding server itself

#hc-modded

[heavy siren]

with the mod that can you cannot matchmake

for some fucking reason

[earnest minnow]

good

[scenic lion]

Thank you!

[daring pilot]

idk which aspect you want, but there’s one for replacing the electronic screech with the old scream

[scenic lion]

Yeah that's what I want

[scenic lion]

Do you know the name for it? I tried looking it up

[daring pilot]

OldMainMenuScream iirc, you can just look up scream in the modloader

[tough totem]

the old scream was way way better

[livid heath]

How did u know

[tough totem]

erm I played the game dingus

[livid heath]

this is very hard to believe

so sussy

[tough totem]

darn.

[daring pilot]

this is a fact

also long time no see

[tough totem]

yeah I hide from the people here

[daring pilot]

good tactic

they’re crazy

[raven flare]

:3

[livid heath]

@merry elm gaming when?

[merry elm]

never

why

[deft kiln]

Obviously he wants o game with you

[merry elm]

why....

[deft kiln]

Because he wants people to game with him

[merry elm]

fair

[livid heath]

no

i really dont

i got other games to play

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-play-terraria-with-me-play-toys-with-me-gif-12472251214569901989

@olive sky

[olive shoal]

for someone with other games to play you sure spend a lot of time begging people to play with you

[livid heath]

mhnm because ppl dont organize time duh

[olive sky]

thats it. i am playing with your balls now

[livid heath]

bro says hes not gay. I m starting to see a pattern

[winter wharf]

could be bi/pan/demi

[hexed vapor]

@outer scaffold Yes, every weapon here is just the worst per slot

@strange ember Spear just unironically has too much going for it.

A worse hammer is still a worse version of the best melee

The no sprint makes it closer, I guess, but bat gets big downsides on scouts and a little on giants

And it's a short range weapon w/ not free stamina

And not that fast charge

[olive shoal]

The spear lunge tech goes crazy

[hexed vapor]

I think it's how bullpup and AR are same tier, tho

Spear and Bat are both same tier of really bad

But one of them happens to be worse

and I lean bat rn

[hexed vapor]

Fast swing, tech, tho?

W8, nvm

you have to miss for this to work

[strange ember]

does it?

half sprint speed, slow charge and need to hit head or back or otherwise dogshit dmg, terrible against any charger based enemy and not great vs nighmares

bat at least has the stagger

meanwhile spear i legit cant think of 1 "good" thing about it

[olive shoal]

Not sure what you’re referring to here ngl

Is it like

Missing the swing at the start and using lingering hitbox to hit and then hitting again

because there’s less downtime between the 2 swings

[raven flare]

bat at least functions in combat and it works for easy stagger to prevent damage

[olive shoal]

Ray is probably right tho ngl

I also think saying spear doesn’t function in combat is disingenuous

[hexed vapor]

If you miss, and then charge a new swing, you can charge the new swing faster than you can light tap again

But this doesn't apply if you actually hit something

[olive shoal]

Ah

[strange ember]

its not that it doesnt function, but its imo the worst melee in combat especially vs chargers

[olive shoal]

Against a single enemy

Noted

[hexed vapor]

You just shouldn't melee chargers tbh

And on NM, I think bat genuinely is worse due to range

[olive shoal]

Being a worse hammer makes it sound bad when you phrase the entire thing like “spear has nothing going for it whereas bat has stagger”

but the reality is that spear has a lot going for it compared to bat

It does lose on stagger but let’s be honest when does this actually matter

None of you are meleeing bosses with it

you’re taking multiple hits to kill a charger and getting licked by 2 more

This is just not an argument

[strange ember]

not taking dmg while being in combat and meeling shrug

[olive shoal]

I wish I had movement controls bound

[hexed vapor]

Not necessarily the best argument, but...

Spear carries the boss kill in R8E2 w/ bad guns

[strange ember]

flashback to spiff and co meeling a tank in one of their e2 runs

[hexed vapor]

You unironically can full kill tanks if you're under low pressure

w/ just spear

Bat doesn't pop off nearly as hard, I think.

[sage garnet]

LOL

the only bat clip i've ever seen that was good

was nickle 1v1'ing a bbc without making him scream

that's all

[bright ember]

R8C2 really is a mission of all time if you fail stealth too many times

[outer jacinth]

Doesn't knife have higher precision dps
obv it has range problems especially agains tank

[hexed vapor]

The range problems are a big deal imo

Otherwise, bat would be okay.

[prisma zodiac]

bat is ok
its far better to play with for general small clear

[earnest minnow]

i hate spear just bc i kill 2 dudes then almost go into cardiac arrest

[strange ember]

well i wont argue with that, but idk im still not fully convinced tbh

[prisma zodiac]

like its an unreal difference for it

[strange ember]

i just feel like spear is so utter dogshit in combat

[earnest minnow]

and also feels like i have 2 big balls chained to me

[olive shoal]

well how often are you actually meleeing in combat

esp these days

[strange ember]

a fair amount tbh

[earnest minnow]

i dont use guns anymore

only melee

[prisma zodiac]

spear hard outvalues on bosses (outside of mom where its pretty even depending on what you want tbh)

Spear is better vs giants when it comes to 1st hit and outranging. Bat on stagger hits

Scout is spear advantage, but its not like bat kills are tough

[strange ember]

especially if im playing with pubs who have a tendency to waste ammo alot

[prisma zodiac]

bat def is behind hammer and knife

[earnest minnow]

wait guys

[olive shoal]

Eva it sounds like you agree that spear is better then

[earnest minnow]

why do beginners always use spear

[olive shoal]

Considering its winning in most of these points

[earnest minnow]

think about it

[olive shoal]

Safe option

[prisma zodiac]

but theres no reason to pick spear (outside of super niche shenanigans) while bat at least has some mild niche possibility

[olive shoal]

Range

[strange ember]

easy and straightforward

[prisma zodiac]

It says high dmg
Same as hammer

they cant know

[earnest minnow]

guys im cooked rn

[prisma zodiac]

they dont learn about stagger
Or sprint melee

or breakpoints

[prisma zodiac]

If only spear and bat existed yes

[hexed vapor]

We've considered it for door break or shadow giants in R8E2 and R4E1 both

But in both cases, we just ended up dropping it

You either bite the bullet and knife

[olive shoal]

Well in this context yes they would

[prisma zodiac]

bat door break over hammer?

[hexed vapor]

or you don't bite any bullets and hammer

[hexed vapor]

It matters on a door in R4E1, and is basically a knife substitute

[prisma zodiac]

Also no way HAR is worse than arbalist

HAR is 1 recoil change away from being „ok“

[outer jacinth]

because the range makes for easy controlled stealth when starting out (this is what my group as beginners reasoned, and i still think it's true. it's just that easier slow controlled stealth isn't valuable compared to in combat perks of hammer/knife)

[prisma zodiac]

They do not know about controlled stealth

[earnest minnow]

yeah im just shitting around

[prisma zodiac]

they prefer the range because close to enemy = scary

[outer jacinth]

wrong, my group did because we did some reading on the wiki very early on

[olive shoal]

Idk Eva

[prisma zodiac]

thats unironically quite rare ngl

[olive shoal]

Har ammo is bad

[prisma zodiac]

its rly not

[olive shoal]

and I think it’s really detrimental

[prisma zodiac]

i love how „ammo is not an issue“ and „its ammo is so bad“ is uttered by the same people

[earnest minnow]

i used har once when i was a pub and never used it since maybe i cant remember

[prisma zodiac]

Its def a bit low on ammo tho

[olive shoal]

Ammo is an issue when you run these guns tho

[outer jacinth]

ammo isn't an issue until it is

[olive shoal]

like sure

Run meta guns

Ammo isn’t a problem

but unironically

[prisma zodiac]

HAR on bodyshots only is like more efficient than the allrounders (not pen guns) are

[olive shoal]

Running these bottom tier guns

[outer jacinth]

you need a certain amount of ammo to clear and if all but 2 guns have that then how much extra they have doesn't matter, hence "ammo doesn't matter"

[prisma zodiac]

idk how you can argue thats „awful ammo“

[olive shoal]

It actually becomes a problem

[hexed vapor]

We were testing on R4D2 PE duos

[olive shoal]

Me and Ray know for sure veruta is better

[hexed vapor]

and you just have so much more on Veruta than HAR

Like, we get to second to last alarm and hit 0/0

[olive shoal]

Arbalist feels like a very safe assumption

[hexed vapor]

Nothing we can do

[earnest minnow]

i still think burst pistol is f tier

i hate that gun

[hexed vapor]

Vs. all of the stupid downsides MGs get which you can technically outplay.

[prisma zodiac]

ima just say. With perfect shots you get 1 charger kill more per refill

On. Perfect. Veruta. Shots.

slightly less than 8 and slightly less than 9

[hexed vapor]

It just adds up, idk.

[prisma zodiac]

Sawed off is bad confirmed
gets 1 less than hel revo per refill

[olive shoal]

You are using a lot of ammo packs across the entire level

It would add up

[hexed vapor]

After the very first mono charger alarm, we already have more ammo

[prisma zodiac]

(obvious hyperbole)

[hexed vapor]

and this is also after Secondary

Secondary w/ MG went horribly compared to HAR

Less tool and ammo exiting it

[olive shoal]

We used MORE ammo in secondary with veruta btw

[hexed vapor]

I was ready to keep HAR a tier above after it

[prisma zodiac]

Oh it does

But let me remind you that ray himself has said (which i agree with) that you will not get veruta efficiency out of the gun

You are far more likely to overshoot on a high firerate spam gun with charge up

imo
veruta and har are similar, both quite meh
Arbalist is a tier below that

its kinda the worst of both worlds

[hexed vapor]

I think it doesn't matter, the gap between their ammo pools is just too large.

[prisma zodiac]

???

[olive shoal]

It’s a bitter pill to swallow Eva

[prisma zodiac]

No

[olive shoal]

I didn’t want to believe it either

[prisma zodiac]

if ammo matters

Play machine pp

[olive shoal]

but unironically I think har is worse

[prisma zodiac]

it has so much more efficiency than sawed off

sawed off C tier
Machine pp A tier

its a BIGGER gap

[hexed vapor]

Eva, you're comparing a weapon that sucks with a weapon that is giga-busted

Between HAR and Veruta, these are two weapons that are quite bad

[prisma zodiac]

or lets be fair since chargers

sawed off is more cracked there

and you are heavily overplaying theoretical efficiency on a gun where you dont achieve it

its a 1 kill advantage

[hexed vapor]

I think you're still not understanding

[prisma zodiac]

just barely above 10%

in perfect play

[hexed vapor]

First of all, this is still based off of actually playing the guns in a level

[olive shoal]

This wasn’t theoretical man idk

[hexed vapor]

Because we really weren't sure beforehand

But when the weapons are already not very different

The spreadsheet diff starts mattering

The usual problem is that these differences are genuinely very marginal when there are many many other factors at play that make weapons good, bad, or gigabusted

[prisma zodiac]

What gun are you even running for main

AR?

[outer jacinth]

.
ammo doesn't matter when the efficiency is above what's needed for the expedition but the moment it ticks below that it matters a lot.

[hexed vapor]

We did Burst Rifle and Pistol for HARs, then SMG and MP for Verutas

[prisma zodiac]

if they based this on more than a personal duo
not a full team

A duo

balance scenarios change depending on the environment

[hexed vapor]

I think this applies everywhere ngl.

[prisma zodiac]

its why spear is the goat vs megamom melee

[hexed vapor]

I'm never glad to have a HAR on my team

Of any player

I am not ammoing the HAR

[prisma zodiac]

like you wont do that shit even remotely as easily with hammer

is hammer now worse than spear due to that scenario?

[olive shoal]

Your entire argument and all examples are complete hyperbole

[prisma zodiac]

you are basing HAR ammo being detrimental on a duo

[olive shoal]

I don’t think you really understand until you play it

[prisma zodiac]

especially on a very scan heavy level

[olive shoal]

Fun fact duos are typically more ammo efficient

[prisma zodiac]

you are roughly half as fast on scans at best

[olive shoal]

Than full teams

[prisma zodiac]

Thats cuz payers overshoot