gtfo-spoiler-chat

[atomic escarp]

😦

[loud phoenix]

any knows what is the r8a2 code for this week ?

[subtle oriole]

Is there any lore that confirms or denies that the prisoners are infected?

The events of the games would take place over a long time, and I feel like we would've succumbed to the disease if we were

[half hornet]

Its a bit complicated and is frankly a plothole.

One time they claim the virus is an absolute deus ex machina that you can't escape from, the next people escape from it all the time (like Schaeffer).
Ideally we should be getting infected on every expedition - the bites, the shooter projectiles penetrating our skin, the toxic fog...
But the game claims that HSU either cures the virus completely or at the very least puts it on long enough of pause for it to not matter.
Also, considering that we do spend all our outside-of-expedition time in HSU stasis - with the entire game we only spent like half a week awake, out of like 4 weeks required to develop lethal sympthoms.

TLDR:
A) Either we are infected, but simply haven't reached the stage to develop any major sympthoms.
B) We are cured between every mission, but get reinfected on the next one.
C) We, somehow, avoid infection, despite the lore claiming that this virus is impossible to avoid. Biggus Shrugius.

[wary olive]

Doesn't Schaeffer explicitly say that we are all infected

In d2 I think

[meager rune]

yes but he wrong

i belive its b

bof arts answer

[raven flare]

i mean we know hsus clean us from the virus so we arrived at e2 clean

but idk after that

[meager rune]

this

[subtle oriole]

A character claiming something for conflict purposes doesn't mean it's true

It's probably that we are disinfected on return, and that a cure to the disease was created at some point after the AI was put in charge

Well- a cure that cures you before symptom onset

[plucky breach]

should hosts not take scattergun

[winter wharf]

host can take scattergun, it'll be more consistent vs giants and hordes of small enemies but due to damage calculations it's much worse at boss killing than client scattergun

[plucky breach]

thanks

[half hornet]

He does say that but i'm unsure if the game made any effort to prove him right. Prior to that he was basically blackmailing us that he'll TELL THEM that we are infected - whether we are or not - as to give other squad reasons not to help us.

Him saying that to the other Schaeffer is just him delivering his blackmail promise, he even sounds all happy about it: "Yeah, don't wanna be helping us now, DONTCHA?!"

Alternatively he is right, and the ALT Schaeffer is the stupid one... Except the game made every effort to show that he's actually a smarter individual than his original counter part. So how comes he's not aware that everyone in the complex is doomed? And how does HE survives, for that matter?

[raven flare]

i mean it doesnt show its smarter

just that he has access to more info by the warden and its database

og schaeffer just survived by his own methods

[half hornet]

ALT Schaeffer received a major promotion the OG one didn't had.

[raven flare]

its like when a rich kid and a poor kid meet

[heavy siren]

is extraction being available right after the drop with error going off on r8b2 a bug

or someone in lobby cheating

[raven flare]

probs a cheat ngl

cause b2 only has an extract alarm when u like end the level

and one two errors but u can deactivate em

so like

probs a cheat

that doors supposed to be on lockdown

[tropic pollen]

We most likely dont use HSUs after B4

since we’d have no way of actually leaving them

[livid heath]

[tropic pollen]

kaiser did you have a stroke?

[olive sky]

In R6CX (or where ever that Log is) when Schaeffer Talks to unit 27 He Tells to Schaeffer that He is infected. Maybe He Just gaslit him into brlieving that?

Interestingly enough, but the Symptoms for the impeftion is Aggression and pains. That might explain Him Being in agony in some of the Transmission. That might also explain this sudden will to burn everything down

Tl;Dr: Schaeffer is infected, but gaslit into believing everyone is infected

[tropic pollen]

You mean OG R6DX?

[olive sky]

Yes

The OG Schaeffer ofc

[tropic pollen]

ah, for a sec i thought you were saying ALT schaeffer talked to a unit in CX

[olive sky]

Forgor that the X Missions shifted diffoculties

[tropic pollen]

yeah they did a funny with it

[olive sky]

Now that i think about it. He did say " i am giving Orders now" at the very end

Does this imply R6 plays after R7???

[tropic pollen]

what

like OG R6?

no

after OG R6 schaeffer starts to realise his plan of a revolution

[olive sky]

It is weird. He gives Orders...to himself?

[solemn wigeon]

To us

[tropic pollen]

yeah, he starts commandering us in R7A1

[balmy robin]

Not exactly ; he starts in OGR6A1

[tough atlas]

Sleepo!

Sleepy is the guy with the avatar of the thingy holding a bow

[wanton stump]

K

[daring pilot]

“Hey, you? Remember me? I told you to go deeper!”

I played OGR6A1 a lot

[tough atlas]

R6 was a comfy rundown

[daring pilot]

Yeah, also my starter rundown

[heavy siren]

i remember speedrun r5ext sesh the night before r6 release

consecutively tried c1-3 and d1 for the first time

[daring pilot]

R6 is still my favorite rundown because while I like R8 more overall, R6 doesn’t have any level that I dislike playing like R8C1

[tough atlas]

Ironically enough I also like R4 which is the rundown I started playing with

[daring pilot]

It figures

[tough atlas]

R5 not so much, feels way too bloated

[daring pilot]

Mmmm, that’s both of those rundowns for me

[tough atlas]

R6 is ehhhh perhaps too easy but it's comfy at least

[daring pilot]

I think R4 ends up feeling less bloated because so many errors

That you have to go fast

[tough atlas]

R7 is a mixed bag with some levels that I never did finish more than once

[heavy siren]

idk, r6c2 is a lovehate relationship

its a fun level but holy shit

[daring pilot]

yeah, I feel bad about R7B2. Apparently it was some poor dev’s first crack at a level design

[tough atlas]

I dont really think that's 100% true, take R5A3, it's long because it has IMHO unneeded alarms and backtrack

[tough atlas]

It's way too long lel

[daring pilot]

Too many filler zones

[tough atlas]

R7B3 I kinda like but I'd preferred Main to be a tad shorter

[daring pilot]

Reminds me of my og design for my E1

[tough atlas]

Just slash the first key fetch, bring me to the bulkhead

[daring pilot]

Idk main is like, 4 zones? Without bulk fetch

I like the fetch tho

[tough atlas]

It's just unneeded

I need a key to get to a zone that has extreme bulkhead and main needs another key behind another door

[daring pilot]

Nah, it’s a cool way to teach respawns imo

Keep in mind, most newbies would have no clue ab respawns, and get immediately fucked by them in R7E1

[heavy siren]

this game is one giant key fetch tho

[daring pilot]

At the time, I think it was necessary

[daring pilot]

Well yes

That’s kind of the game

[tough atlas]

I'd added that to, I dont know, R7B1

[tough atlas]

I dont know, when I play some maps I feel like I'd rather not have checkpoints but have the maps go directly to the core of the hard part

In R7B3 people die at the end anyway

[daring pilot]

Looks at R4C3

[tough atlas]

Yes that's also true, that map has an unneeded Extreme

[daring pilot]

I liked ex tbh

[tough atlas]

I know it turns off fog who cares

[heavy siren]

grandpa just cant wait to go to bed

[daring pilot]

As someone who recently played through R4C3 the first time, I think it was pretty cool

[tough atlas]

Just disable Extreme, rename Overload to Extreme and make it disable fog

[daring pilot]

I didn’t clear

Wiped at the end

Fun level other than the massive spike at the end

[tough atlas]

On OG I never cleared that, I wiped at the end 3 times

I did finish it in Alt and we were basically super close to dying

[daring pilot]

The Class III during error nearly killed us, I managed to revive and we finished the alarm, then we wiped to BBC’s pulled from the room

Imma be honest

I miss 5BC

[winter wharf]

the extract is super easy if you have someone push up into B and spawnblock + funnel but that's boring

[tough atlas]

It's either the BBCs or the ending tbh

[daring pilot]

pachi

[heavy siren]

did u use hel shotgun

[winter wharf]

the fun way to do r4c3 is save a 4 use ammopack from earlier for the extract and then everyone stays on scan and shoots

[daring pilot]

If there’s anything I’ve learned ab gtfo players

They will make it boring if easier

[tough atlas]

Dont you have to open one of the sec doors at the sides anyway?

[daring pilot]

looks at my D1 angrily

[tough atlas]

Wouldn't they end up spawning in 2 places anyway?

[winter wharf]

gtfo players paradoxically do not like difficulty!

yeah there's a side zone but you can funnel them to coming through the same side of the room

[tough atlas]

Ah

Makes sense

[heavy siren]

now that sleepy is off to helldivers vacation chat is ded once again

[daring pilot]

Good

[heavy siren]

less work for you

[daring pilot]

nah it’s just peaceful

[winter wharf]

peaceful is good

[heavy siren]

how am i gonna live without muh hel shotgun discussions

[winter wharf]

uh idk I guess you're supposed to cry

[heavy siren]

😭

[tough atlas]

That always looks like it has 4 eyes

Instead of eyebrows

[glossy crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-manuls-cute-cool-gif-445895263155352550

i have to get the new password

brb

[livid heath]

stole my own gifs

wow

[cosmic quail]

<3

[vocal geode]

did you get it?

[glossy crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/if-you-want-it-then-youll-have-to-take-it-if-you-want-it-gif-20075160

[vocal geode]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/931436826491772958.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[daring pilot]

Legit was like “what the hell is that weird black tentacle behind him” because I’m so used to the stupid plastic lawn chair

[glossy crescent]

lol

cant blame you

the plastic chair could be 100% canon

it fits vergil character so well

[kind swan]

Several or many people thought the lawn chair was real when they played the game and got to that part.

"wait he DOESNT SIT IN A LAWN CHAIR??"

[half heart]

whats the r8a2 secondary code

pretty please with cherries on top

[deft kiln]

The people need you

Yet no one answered

GTFO dead

[livid heath]

Been dead since 2022

Barking off the wrong tree sister

[modern tartan]

5d6hy-j8tqu

[glossy crescent]

no

[deft kiln]

Me when your mom

[glossy crescent]

damn it got deleted

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-spider-man-web-of-shadows-depressed-sad-gif-16524395

[livid heath]

Wait

Pable is not eligible to A2 code anymore?

[coarse berry]

Beaten R8D2 now and I still think original Schaeffer's personality shift feels weird

going from 'unhinged, but wants to get out and needs our help' to suddenly 'comic book villain muahaha burn it all down PRISONERS!'

I guess 'cause he was infected and starting to lose it from that?

and they REALLY did henrikkson like that. brutal.

[tropic pollen]

yeah

the whole thing felt rushed a bit

henri literally gets 2 minutes of dialogue before dying

[coarse berry]

i don't feel like schaeffer would've done that to him

[tropic pollen]

and i think it would have made more sense if mid R8 og scheaffer discovers that the surface is dead and then goes insane

[coarse berry]

or if there were some signs of him losing it from infection

cause he just suddenly becomes a comic book villian in r8

B4 felt odd to me too. ORiginally I trusted schaeffer and started the meltdown only to get to the end and found NO exit, had to run all the way back for the datasphere and somehow made it

they framed it like it would actually be a branching choice

[tropic pollen]

yeahhhh its so out of pocket, like i expected henrikson to apear in like C2 but nope. He just died. And i guess B3s intercepted transmission confirms that scheaffer murdered him

[coarse berry]

yeah, he says 'what's done is done'

schaeffer and that fuckin pipe man

[tropic pollen]

yeah a shame that there is no branching path there

[coarse berry]

also absolutely criminal there's no 'Monster' achievement for cutting schaeffer short and killing them both with the flooding

[tropic pollen]

Also B3s intercepted transmission is smth like
„Wait what are you doing?
(Loud banging and heavy breathing sounds)”

[tropic pollen]

True

atleast there is unique dialogue

[coarse berry]

yeah

they finally agree on something!

"What are they doing!?" seconds before they die

[tropic pollen]

lol

[coarse berry]

the story definitely does feel rushed which is shitty 'cause the rundown itself is FANTASTIC

literally makes the first ~5 rundowns look like crud. other than the E tiers

[tropic pollen]

i kinda wanna believe in daks theory that henri put in some sorta extra program into our objective stack and that it was that program that leads us to freeing ourselves

[coarse berry]

that could be, i honestly dont know what else it COULD be

[tropic pollen]

i wanna believe mostly cause i cant believe they would just kill henrikson off so randomly

[coarse berry]

the objective stack on later levels is non canon I think, after the MRI we're just going on our own

[tropic pollen]

true

[tropic pollen]

yeah that objective stack is prolly just a manifestation of the teams thoughts and ideas

and their plan

[coarse berry]

it would've been nice if they did new intros for the later levels where we clearly wouldn't be dropping down

Honestly after the MRI machine I told my friend "Wouldn't it be so cool if we didn't have a HUD the next level, 'cause of the cortex chip?"

but that might've been a bit. much

[tropic pollen]

Yeah

i guess we dont actually remove our chips only like fry them

[coarse berry]

its a different process from what henrikkson went through

[tropic pollen]

Yeah

his chip was fully removed

[coarse berry]

he was hooked up to something while schaeffer started it and pulled it out of him, we just stand in a circle

[tropic pollen]

ours just get broken/fried or smth

[coarse berry]

would've been cool to see the HUD glitch out and warp while the MRI is working

[tropic pollen]

Yeah i wish they did that

have the numbers be random or smth

or errory

[coarse berry]

the control chips are kind of an odd topic anyways, because our characters so clearly disobey orders all the time

[crude venture]

yo anyone got the r8b2 codes for the secret for a2 this week? cant be fucked doing b2 again

[heavy siren]

skill issue

[crude venture]

😭 ive done the secondary before

[heavy siren]

do it again

[meager rune]

and @glossy crescent dissapeared when the world needed him most

[tropic pollen]

rip

no one remains to take his place as the code giver

no but rly @glossy crescent wtf why did you stop getting the code you lazy bitch

[crude venture]

nvm scrolled up and found it

[olive sky]

In one of the Shaeffers Logs He described it as a Second voice inside His head that Tells him what to do. So i assume it really relied on the operatives to be braindead vegetables for them to follow the Orders. The pain that Henrikson Had was Not because of the Chip, but because His brain was so used to Not thinking for itself

[wise musk]

Just finished r8, got some things I still don't get it. How the original team and the new team get to be in the same "universe"? I assume one team teleport in r6 and return to someone else's universe or something? But Shaeffers didn't teleport(I think) so how come 2 of him at the end?
.
Also who exactly died in r8e1? The new or the original team?

[crude venture]

a lot of mwp use

[olive sky]

They joined multiversus

[tropic pollen]

i think in the end the chips only were supposed to make sure the end result (the objective) is completed and evertyhing before it doesnt really matter

[crude venture]

i think og team survive? not sure

[half hornet]

They do. More or less.

[crude venture]

ig both are the original since the timelines just converged not made a new one

[half hornet]

There are lore implications that it might not be for long, but who knows.

[crude venture]

with the escape audio thing yah

[tropic pollen]

so, due to a lot of MWP use, the OG, ALT and a couple other wordlines (dimensions/universes whatever you wanna call them) merge in R8A1/A2 (thats the loud sound you hear at the beginnning). This puts ALT and OG team in one worldine and from there they do their stuff. ALT team with alt scheaffer does R8A1-R8E1 stuff, and OG team with OG henrikson does R8A2-E2 stuff. In R8E1 alt team gets left behind and dies while OG escapes to a new dimension

[crude venture]

oh damn is that what that noise in a2 is thats so cool

[tropic pollen]

mostly the fact that OG most likely were infected and brough it with them, but really we cant be sure what happens after

[crude venture]

nah theyd win

[wise musk]

I thought that was gunfire from the other team

[crude venture]

thats at the end of e2 no?

[tropic pollen]

some of it is yes, but the loud ass sound at the very beginning is wordline merging

[tropic pollen]

you can hear gunfire several times through R8

[heavy siren]

Tbh in d1 the "hurry we are in trouble here" sounds so chill and you can take your sweet ass time

Meanwhile in d2:

[tropic pollen]

also other, random wordlines merging is shown by the several sets of bodies of diffrent versions of our team through R8, as well as some fucked up rooms (like R8A1/A2 upside down room)

[tropic pollen]

lol true

im stil laughing at the fact that during my first D1 run when they asked for power i ignored it (cause i expected it to make the level harder) and only put in the command once i found the next door locked

[wise musk]

Those are actually Woods and co? I always thought those are just the devs being lazy and reused assets(which probably IS the off-lore explanation lol)

[heavy siren]

I mean it technically did make the level harder just not for you

[tropic pollen]

i doubt its pure dev laziness, like they didnt need to put them in. Plus in R8A1 and R8D1 ending you find the full team dead so i think its supposed to be lore stuff

[crude venture]

that is crazy i never rly paid attention to them

[tropic pollen]

its in pretty much every level other than B1 and B4 i think

[crude venture]

i knew in e2 cuz its right below you

[tropic pollen]

and also bishops and daudas bodies are in R6CX, with a nearby log confirming it was a team made out of Woods, dauda, hackett and bishop

so i think its canon there are bodies of us that got warped to other wordlines/of teams who died in diffrent wordlines

[tough atlas]

Just realized that Woods upside down is spooM

[crude venture]

so true

[heavy siren]

We always knew that down in Australia

[wise musk]

Wait a min, I just remember a log I think it was Shaeffer iirc(don't remember where the log was also) mentioning he saw a creature that seems to be controlling the sleepers gets engaged by a team of prisoners. The creature and 2 team members ended up dead, if what's in CX is the aftermath of what Shaeffer saw, does that mean the "world collide" already happen long before r8?

[tropic pollen]

the unit (creature) prolly wasnt controlling the sleepers and was just kinda vibing there but outside of that... lemme quickly send you a picture here from the lore channel that i think explains it fairly well and i think is a viable theory

the squad that dies in CX might be the true ALT squad and the "ALT" squad we play as is actually a diffrent one. But yes it could also be a random squad who warp into ALT wordline as we really cant tell.

[olive sky]

Thinking about it. The flavor Texts for wach Mission. It Could be US from a different Timeline, that for one or other reason died

[tropic pollen]

the main point for the alt squad we play as being from a diffrent universe is that in ALT R1D1 you can hear someone using morse code, and its too early for ALT scheaffer to be doing his stuff yet

[tropic pollen]

which mission?

[olive sky]

Each*

German Autocorrection

[tropic pollen]

ah

you mean "intercepted transmission"?

[heavy siren]

uhhhh huh wasnt b2 still alt team, and where is b3 b4

[tropic pollen]

oh i never noticed that mistake. Yeah B1 and B2 are ALT, and B3 and B4 are OG

[wise musk]

Aah, so the alt timeline is already "mixed" from the get go.
.
Also, talk about "unit", what happened with the alien sub plot? I think it doesn't go anywhere after r6d1

They mention we're gonna select a world that's clean....but in the end it's the prisoners and Shaeffer themselves that search for the clean world

[olive sky]

Yeah those ones. With the Red Highlights and stuff

[tropic pollen]

the units were orignally created by human scientist at garganta to replace the KSOs, but they didnt have enough time to make them work. But the warden did manage to make it work, and used the units as some sorta medium of communication. In R7 we make one, but afterwards OG scheaffer takes control and so that plotline kinda dies

[tropic pollen]

i mean we do select a clean world... or atleast a world that according to the database said was clean (which was a lie cause Durant warped there before garganta even collapsed)

[tropic pollen]

these are probably transmissions from other universes... except some, like R8B3 which is an outright dialogue between Henrikson and Scheaffer as scheaffer murdered him

[olive sky]

Could it be that Warden is one of the Units? One that is somehow permanently patched into the Biocom. Would kinda explain why other Units call Warden their "Friend"

[tropic pollen]

the units are most likely inhabited by warden made ai, or some sorta alien minds. And the warden is either an alien ai, or a full on digital(?) alien mind

[obtuse surge]

lore chat outside of the lore channel, moderators crush their ballsack

[tropic pollen]

=)

spoiler chat, lore chat really whats the diffrence?

[heavy siren]

lore reason behind hel shotty bad?

[tropic pollen]

s l e e p y (ers)

[olive sky]

Thinking about it. In R7D1 it was Shown that da Babys in neonates can grow into Units. And at the end of R3 we Connect one of those neonates into the system

[tropic pollen]

yeah the neonates main purpose was to make units... i have no idea wtf was the point of R3s neonate other than hacking the system... somehow... or smht

[heavy siren]

dababys turn into convertible (crawling scout)

[wise musk]

I still feel from story telling perspective the aliens are simply either forgotten or the writers don't want/know how to continue this sub plot and just drop it dead. Because like I said that r6d1 log(which is a major narrative point in my opinion) leads to nothing and there's zero mention of them after that point which just strange for me

[tropic pollen]

i mean... i dont know. The alien plot is still relevant, as after all, they were the ones who started this whole mess, but yeah R8s story focuses much more on the events on hand than the stuff that happened a while ago

[tropic pollen]

dababy does gym (nightmare scout)

[kind swan]

Matter wave projector be like.

[olive sky]

https://tenor.com/view/major-inconvenience-minor-inconvenience-half-life-gordon-freeman-renocance-cascade-gif-25060362

[heavy siren]

pick up your deployables the objective item

[misty belfry]

is there a new password for this week?

[glossy crescent]

5d6hy-j8tqu

[deft kiln]

You aren’t allowed to speak these words

[glossy crescent]

5d6hy-j8tqu

[deft kiln]

You forsaked

Your post

[glossy crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/if-you-want-it-then-youll-have-to-take-it-if-you-want-it-gif-20075160

[deft kiln]

You should be firing squaded down

Ngl

[glossy crescent]

i might not have the name
But i always have the code

[deft kiln]

See you in 40 years

I will remember

I need that code

[glossy crescent]

bet

🫡

[velvet linden]

hey guys i just wanted to say that lore channel was really funny to read and im sad i couldnt weigh in

[glossy crescent]

didnt asked

[winter wharf]

ah so you can still access it, just can't interact in it

I wonder if the same is true for NMMA

[velvet linden]

yeah so i can see frostty post her cats and memes, but god forbid anyone else say something lore unrelated

[winter wharf]

my condolences

[velvet linden]

where is my justice

[glossy crescent]

NMMA?

[winter wharf]

banned from lfg

NLO banned from lore

[velvet linden]

no match making access

[winter wharf]

NMMA banned from lfg

[deft kiln]

Anything I can add for you

[velvet linden]

just add this

[deft kiln]

I will get no lore for this ngl

[velvet linden]

actually, just say "can we keep this lore related please" any time frostty posts something not lore related

so i cont have to keep asking beth to do it

[deft kiln]

ah Beth is a trouble maker

So this makes sense

[velvet linden]

we're all troublemaker

s

you can be one too

[deft kiln]

I did the trouble in my own way

ngl

[velvet linden]

cho is offline so we can get away with anything

thanks for your post

[deft kiln]

? Cho is the soul defender of goodness in the world

A light against the NLO

[velvet linden]

he will kill us one day

[winter wharf]

with what? a guillotine?

[velvet linden]

already got beep

[winter wharf]

or is that too markedly french

[deft kiln]

If I must pass so gtfo lore can be free

So be it

[velvet linden]

gtfo lore will never be free

[deft kiln]

There comes a time when you must lay down your life

For the cause

[velvet linden]

wiser words were never spoken

[earnest minnow]

A true hero

[hidden crater]

Is the "dots and dashes" achivement bugged? I just did R3D1 for the 3rd time and i randomly got it, we didnt check any terminals for logs or anything either

[tropic pollen]

Might be bugged since its supposed to be given to you after doing R1D1

cause in R1D1 you can hear morse code right before reactor

[stark rune]

did you do r1d1 during the session? might've just been a delay on steam/gtfo

if not then idk free achievement ig

[crude venture]

Any tips on how to beat r8b4?

the second patrol scan through the fog with flyers gets my group at around 80% everytime

[prisma zodiac]

@crude venture how many people are going onto scan
You input the commands to lower fog asap?
Where are you defending/with what?

[crude venture]

yessir we got 1 person on terminals 1 other on the rafters shooting flyers than 2 doing the scan

got the sentry up top to shoot the flyrs

[prisma zodiac]

what i generally did was have the sentry (or both if you are running 2) on the boxes in the beginning of the room, facing inside.

1 person does the 1st and 2nd command. 2nd does the 3rd

then both those people defend at the entrance, with 1 focusing on flyers, other on strikers/nightmares/hybrids and snatchers (help each other)

but theres many ways to do it ^^

[crude venture]

o7

we kind of fall apart after doing the commands

we run 1 sentry, bio, glu and trip mine is that good for this?

[prisma zodiac]

Its what i run if i do secondary
For main only i prefer 2 sentries

[crude venture]

so no bio?

for main

[wanton stump]

He said 2 sentries

[prisma zodiac]

oh i didnt specify

id run no foam on main personally

[prisma zodiac]

always bio

[misty ember]

Abuse game and don't trigger flyers spawn

[crude venture]

Updates, we can do it easy but the last bit is purgatory

[crude venture]

What's the tech

[misty ember]

Guess it on your own experience 🥔

[crude venture]

Very real

But like is it just me or the last bit of the mission crazy hard

[misty ember]

Nah, the extraction before nerf was pretty hard, now it's easier, so you just technically need to play better the scan part, try more with different strategies and you will get it

[crude venture]

It's been nerfed

[crude venture]

We get rolled at the blood door part but we could do the patrol scan bettee

[crude venture]

What was it like before?

[glossy crescent]

they made the waves less fcked

[olive shoal]

waves were like a surge

it was kinda crazy

[misty ember]

Extraction feeled more like a surge alarm with almost constant spawn because of low delay between them, plus some enemies spawned ahead and broke doors that you could foam

[glossy crescent]

also the giants could spawn on you for some reason

which was funny

[wary olive]

hilarious actually

[winter wharf]

Checkpoint bug

[wary olive]

i thought giants could always forward spawn

[olive shoal]

Idk if the giants ever spawned on me

[wary olive]

small wave forward spawning was checkpoint related?

[heavy siren]

id say extraction is still difficult enough

[olive shoal]

I had waves spawn on me

[crude venture]

Evil

[winter wharf]

Yea, Eva said so

[wary olive]

deserved

[heavy siren]

hardest part is the retrieving cells and having gud enough mates to focus mom

[olive shoal]

Eva said so is terrible reasoning

[winter wharf]

If you'd checkpointed at any point in the session it'd be bugged apparently

[olive shoal]

I’d like more proof than just x person says so

[crude venture]

Yeah the big mom is brutal

[glossy crescent]

idk man, on my frist attempt with my friends we got constant waves spawned on us including giants

[wary olive]

whats your reasoning for that gerzhull?

[glossy crescent]

we wiped because of that

[heavy siren]

its normal mom

[crude venture]

Oh lol looked like a big to me

[heavy siren]

moms are just fat

[glossy crescent]

🤨

rude

[heavy siren]

well we cure the obesity with shotguns we are the good guys dw

[heavy siren]

rude of u to kink shame

[glossy crescent]

🙏

[crude venture]

But it's def just a resource diff on our end running dry on shit after that patrol

[heavy siren]

patrol doesnt take much and even then u can enter second res zone after it ends to resupply

plus next zones will have plenty

so u can go: first res zone which has the terminal password
then patrol scan
then 2nd res zone which has res
then proceed

that way if u do use checkpoint u already ressed up

[crude venture]

o7 will try next time

[heavy siren]

please finish b4

u gotta experience c2

so good

[crude venture]

I'm excited for d2 I got it spoiled lmao

[heavy siren]

well technically u got it spoiled in d1

[prisma zodiac]

when splitting up ye
Was kinda spooky since you basically always had someone a room or two away

[hexed vapor]

What level?

[glossy crescent]

R8B4

[winter wharf]

yeah something with the waves, I can't remember exactly

I was probably wrong, I think the nerf swapped giants to be from mission start direction

[hexed vapor]

Was fairly sure giant forward spawn was just that wave not being properly set to be from elevator.

[winter wharf]

probably was

[earnest minnow]

Man I really missed out on the Dogshit of that level

[glossy crescent]

thank god

R8B4 extract was so bad it made me lose my shit multiple times

everything else on the level is fun

[earnest minnow]

Yeah I never did secondary until after the nerf

I kinda wish I played it when it was hard

[velvet linden]

you couldn’t beat it noob

[earnest minnow]

I’m such a fat noob

[livid heath]

idk bout noob

but damn u thicc as hell

[storm tulip]

do u need a password for sec R8A2 anymore?

and if so any1 got it?

[earnest minnow]

Yea you do

And no I don’t

Soz

[storm tulip]

oof

[hexed vapor]

Time to load up R8B2.

[modern tartan]

48v16-glpp0
The following resource documents all up-to-date codes: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2962954905

[storm tulip]

ty very munch

[nocturne flax]

this is so sad can we release den of wolves

[solemn wigeon]

Cringing & Swagless Guide

[livid heath]

https://tenor.com/view/live-jonkler-reaction-joker-batman-arkham-man-gif-17809721599016283530

[modern tartan]

The option to complain to the author is available

[dire iris]

Does using melee ruin the "Close Quarters" achievement? The one where everyone has to have shotguns?

[stark rune]

im pretty sure you can still melee

since you only really need to have shotguns equipped to get the achievement

[dire iris]

Cool. Turns out I can use Melee, C-Foam, and sniper turrets and still get Close Quarters.

[wanton stump]

yea

[half heart]

what level gives the best boosters

[chrome rivet]

They all give the same boosters

any level= any booster

[half heart]

thats swag thanks

[kind swan]

A level with 100% or high Artifact heat

Just trash the boosters you don't want

And repeat

[livid heath]

Unreal

You get the best at 56-72% heat

Its where you get infection resist and stuff such as supplies and allat

[glossy crescent]

engine 5

also hey Kaiser

[lapis locust]

Huh what heat do you get supply bolds… I haven’t seen one in like a month+ and tons of boosters

[winter wharf]

the boosters you get are random

artifact heat just describes how much progress picking up a booster gives you

[raven flare]

i do nothing but get supply eff boosters

i want other things

[hallow wraith]

doesn't the tier of level affect the spawn chance?

Like, aren't aggressives more common on D and E compared to A and B?

[deft kiln]

there is a set number

of artifacts per level per zone

[hallow wraith]

so, there's more set agressives on the lower levels then?

[deft kiln]

sometimes

there is a chart

i dont remeber where tho

[half hornet]

It appears to me that every individual level and every individual room has a custom spawn rates. There doesn't seem to be any obvious correlation to tier, or anything.

One example i vividly remember is that R6B2 secondary zones are filled to the brim with artis.

[kind swan]

[tough atlas]

AFAIK no zone can ever have more than 1 aggressive so I dont know

[daring pilot]

this

also it’s just set per level

[tough atlas]

Perhaps it's just that said zones are set to have artifacts and are very small (R6B2 I mean)

[daring pilot]

Usually levels with more optionals have more artifacts

[winter wharf]

I go to r8a1 to farm all my artifacts

[tough atlas]

So they are just more concentrated

[daring pilot]

And also higher amounts of zones in the optionals

R6B2 has 6 total aggressive, 1 per zone in Sec and you don’t have to even complete secondary to get the final aggressive in main

[olive shoal]

I load up my og r5 booster farmer profile to get artifacts

need my hacking tool bioscan speed

[tough atlas]

"At R5 farms, we grow our artifacts organically!"

Jokes aside I remember people spamming R5A2 since first zone had artifacts and didnt have any enemies in it

[olive shoal]

yes

[tough atlas]

It was cringe, as it usually is when people farm artifacts

[velvet linden]

those were the days

[kind swan]

The other day. I was in LFGs with a friend and one of the randoms goes.
"Man you guys aren't picking up any of the artifacts."

[coarse berry]

gtfo players when randoms don't know the random taboo for using in-game mechanics

[kind swan]

People who use boosters vs people who don't

[coarse berry]

massive superiority complex for literally nothing, just to be a snob to other players

[kind swan]

If that's how you want to take it. I guess. I didn't mean it that way

[earnest minnow]

Average supply efficiency user

Tbh idc unless you use modded boosters or try and tell me shit cause you have boosters

[kind swan]

Idk where I said I was being a snob and yeah

Modded boosters

I still laugh a little when someone tried telling me his Boosters were old ones from OG R5. Sure buddy. Modlist shows me you're using custom boosters.

[earnest minnow]

Lmao

Like my guy

Just because you have perfect supply and med efficiency boosters doesnt mean im gonna give you my 2 use ammo

[surreal drift]

what effects were on booster

i give more respect to blatant cheaters than to liars

[earnest minnow]

Fair

Prob med and supply efficiency

[deft kiln]

Well I customized them back in r5

Might as well keep them forever ya know

[kind swan]

Iirc. The guy had like
Muted +20% main/special
Bold +29% main/special
Aggressive +49% supp/med
All with no conditions

Values might be off a bit but roughly what the guy was running

[surreal drift]

then he is loser

[livid heath]

"man you arent running supplies, that sucks i want more ammo"

[glossy crescent]

@tropic pollen

GIVE ME AMMO

[kind swan]

Can't be talking about boosters with your kind of rep

@livid heath

[livid heath]

well yeah

im saying in my own POV and my self so whats the deal there

[tough atlas]

The "I've supply efficiency so let me take the 1 use ammo" syndrome is annoying

And boosters definitively make some things a bit cringe, like I've seen someone with "perfect" melee boosters and it's just... it's weird

On the other hand of the spectrum there's people that would scoff at me for taking a +5% main damage booster and ask me not to

I use them because the game gives me them and just use "random" ones I guess I could throw

And I take artifacts lying around because... I dont really know, they're there and might aswell take them? I dont look for them either but eh

[deft kiln]

The problem with supplies is mid maxing is just so cringe

it slows down the slower game ever by even more

Not to mention supply boosters is just only positives

There is more than enough res on every map to shoot every room then some

Like idk why it matters

[earnest minnow]

Me when r7c3

[hexed vapor]

It's more cringe when playing around it causes a loss.

R5D2, we literally left like 10+ uses of ammo, because I'm the only one other than the effic player grabbing anything.

And then they wonder why they're running out at reactor (although that's also insane).

But also, that's just kind of why they're using the boosters to begin with.

People that run out of ammo consistently will still miss shots constantly, distribute resources inefficiently, misplace what they do have, etc.

and the booster can't completely save you from that if it's a serious problem.

[earnest minnow]

Yep

The root cause is never the amount of resources

[kind swan]

Ive had a person who took it but then refused to use supplies when we tried to tell him to grab and use it

but then also got upset if it was the only resource around and they wouldn't grab it so we grabbed ourselves

efficiencies just make me cringe if I'm in LFGs

[narrow gulch]

all I know is back when I used boosters it did not feel good clearing stuff when it felt like we wouldnt have cleared without them

[cosmic quail]

they should add a negative supply eff booster

[plain saddle]

"Team, we have already gotten a lot of value from our supply efficiency, we're walking into this area with a lot more ammo and tool than we would normally, I think from now on we can just have anyone burn stuff and that way we won't overburden <supply efficiency person> with having to micro all our resources" is part of my pub script

I should write my pub script someday

My R2E1 script before starting error is kind of inspirational

[daring pilot]

"Sentries shall be shaken! Spears shall be broken! Run now, kiters of Rohan!"

[plain saddle]

"Death!!!!!!!"

[livid heath]

With them

Without them

[bold widget]

Go play helldivers

[deft kiln]

Could we get a taste

[tulip vale]

Womp womp

[velvet linden]

no

[tough atlas]

I've kind of the opposite feeling and the times I finished harsh content I cant even remember what I put in. In some cases like R4E1 which took me something like a week of pubbing, I'm sure I put whatever. I feel like the times I cleared stuff wasn't because of boosters, the impression I always had was that when failing, the point of failure was so major no % would have saved me, and when I succeeded no % really helped me compared to knowing where to go and what to do and doing it decently enough.

[plain saddle]

"Alrighty team, after this point there'll be constant enemies until we beat the level, so if anyone needs to go weewees do so now"
And then they all cheer

[livid heath]

alreay am

[bold widget]

Massive W

[earnest minnow]

Brings a tear to my eye

[deft kiln]

You run a pretty tight ship not letting your pubs go pee. Unfortunately in my pubs they are seemingly pissing on their monitors to make things happen in the game

[lapis locust]

I had someone take a shower mid level once

Admittely it was a fast shower

[earnest minnow]

gotta do what ya gotta do

[surreal drift]

sounds comfy, i respect that

[livid heath]

gotta do what ya gotta do

[glossy crescent]

why do you have BA memes

now you are becoming a more questionable person each day

[livid heath]

she vibin

back to cat poting

[glossy crescent]

eat it

[bold patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-tussiniiduk32-gif-27701794

[wanton stump]

eated

[nocturne flax]

is it out yet

oh this is not the den of wolves discord

!

[earnest minnow]

silly mistake

[azure reef]

Is there a randomkenny spreadsheet for R8? Or similar?

[atomic escarp]

does anyone know the r8a2 password for this week?

[raven flare]

dcquy-wi2f1 think is this one

itll change today in like 12 hours so

[tropic pollen]

if it changes at midnight european time (which i assume it does) it will change in 4 hours

[raven flare]

idk i think it changes locally ngl

[tropic pollen]

Does it? That would be weird

[kind swan]

So for a certain frame

Different timezones will have different codes

That's crazy.

But yes. Slendi it would be strange to update locally unless it was like regional servers across the world

[hexed vapor]

It just uses your local date/time, no?

Lots of things use that.

I guess it's weird it doesn't just use a specific time zone, but the way you do it is arbitrary.

[livid heath]

Dats crazy

[kind swan]

[livid heath]

[late nebula]

where are my spoilers

[deft kiln]

Luke is the son of darth Vader

[late nebula]

😱

[cosmic quail]

||** **||

[jade willow]

Hey do you guys want to know a secret

[raven flare]

:O

[jade willow]

Next week's R8A2 code is ||35I6D-0HAXJ||

[raven flare]

omggg

hacker

[thank u]

[earnest minnow]

bru u a rel haker?

[glossy crescent]

FROSTY

[willow canopy]

any advice for handling the error on r4d2 with all of the fog?

[earnest minnow]

you can always go through the whole level with the alarms first then go back to grab the cargo

[willow canopy]

thats what our current strat is

[earnest minnow]

or just objective skip 🤡

[willow canopy]

what do you mean?

[raven flare]

not doin overload

i guess

[earnest minnow]

basically if you finish the extract scan then pick up cargo

then you dont have to do extract with cargo

[raven flare]

so cheese oke ksmdkm

[raven flare]

me waiting for the strat

[earnest minnow]

Yeah kinda dumb lmao

You do it for speedruns tho

[willow canopy]

1. do overload first, leave cargo
2. finish secondary
3. finish primary up to extract
4. return to overload, carry through primary and finish extract

[earnest minnow]

Yep

[raven flare]

yeah

[earnest minnow]

Just make sure bio is pinging

[willow canopy]

are you saying to leave someone behind in overload?

[earnest minnow]

Its not a hard shadow eror

just gotta not be stupid

and keep them pinged and deaded

[raven flare]

save as many doors behind you as possible as you do main, only foaming the alarm closest ones

and use all of em on the run with cargo

to create as much distance as possible

[earnest minnow]

yur

[raven flare]

if u do it right and dont stall too much searrching for resources you should have only a couple zones with fog

[tough atlas]

Wait what

That works?

[prisma zodiac]

yep

has to be an optional objective pick up tho

[tough atlas]

🤣 And here I was thinking I knew about most glitches

[prisma zodiac]

speedrun stuff is always fun

[tough atlas]

Well exploit in this case is perhaps better

To be honest one discussion I always wanted to have is what's considerable just as a developer oversight and not a "cheat"

Like old R7D1 you could basically cheese overload by doing it last

But it's hard not to see it as just an oversight since you didnt really do anything weird (and they did the same "mistake" on R8C1)

R7D1 got fixed but I guess we aren't going to see the same for R8C1

[prisma zodiac]

R7D1 also was the WHOLE objective

[tough atlas]

It's still hard for me not to see it as something a bit clever to do instead of a cheat

[prisma zodiac]

meanwhile R8C1 has far less impact (and is so much more tedious as you have to do 2 teamscans vs 0 in R7D1)

[tough atlas]

It's just that, from my PoV, if the devs didnt think about something that makes the map way easier than it's supposed to, it's on them and not on me

[prisma zodiac]

safe spots

i get the gist tho

[tough atlas]

But safe spots I can get as an oversight

[prisma zodiac]

safe spots arent necessarily oversights

i guess?

[tough atlas]

For safe spots I meant the ones were you're 100% invulnerable basically

I remember a couple of them like one in OG R5D1

And I think OG R4B1 also had one on top of Extreme's bulkhead (used to see a lot of use of those with ingame MM)

[prisma zodiac]

safe spots generally are oversights that dont rly matter i guess

but theres some that if you use them its cheats like

like in R7C2

appearantly pubs rly like to skip the full room scan combat ...

fucking sad

[tough atlas]

Never seen that, only thing I saw was us using the last cell to power Overload instead of doing overload with the flyier error

But that never got fixed so I suppose it's considered just a "choice"

[prisma zodiac]

might be an oversight they are fine with

always hard to tell

similar to skips

[tropic pollen]

you can do that? Wow boring, one of the cooler sections of the level

[livid heath]

Beepo

[kind swan]

It's always the easier path or not able to handle the harder paths.

[half hornet]

Do what now? How?

[astral ferry]

you can parkour up to a hanging box near the activation terminal

shooters can still snipe you but strikers can't tongue you

[half hornet]

Cringe

That alarm is highlight of the level, holding the catwalk bridges is not even hard

[astral ferry]

no one plays r7c2 anyway

underrated level

[raven flare]

:[ c2 deserves more love

its such a good level

[astral ferry]

real

[half hornet]

F*cking hate the overload though

Would be perfect level otherwise

[raven flare]

i think its very creative

[half hornet]

I only did it thanks to "fog be-gone" checkpoint bug

Doing it legit is a headache of the highest degree

Literally all the worst elements of the game thrown together

Actually scratch that: no shadows, so could be worse

[astral ferry]

shadows in dense fog are pretty scary

kinda surprised the game doesn't utilize that combination often

basically only r5d1

[half hornet]

Yeah, and its basically the worst level in the entire game (although not only because of that, but it adds up)

[astral ferry]

r5d1 main is fun
I think it's more of a teammate issue tbh
Fast stealthing through packed rooms with experienced players is honestly enjoyable

otherwise normal stealth is just a slog

[half hornet]

Everything up to secondary is just more of the same

But then the caves of bullshit hits ya and all fun is gone

[tough atlas]

R5D1 would be a lot more enjoyable with a lot less useless as fuck alarms IMHO

[daring pilot]

or without extreme:)

[tough atlas]

And R7C2 is just a bit weird

[tough atlas]

I dont find Extreme unlikeable

I find all the key fetches unlikeable

[half hornet]

Entering the reactor room is actually a highlight

[tough atlas]

And perhaps I'd get rid of one of Extreme's alarms

[half hornet]

One of the experienced lads didn't warn us, so the experience was genuine

[daring pilot]

i think the keys are pretty fun

I mean yeah, you could absolutely trim zones tho

ignoring splits, just thinking about a clear path, you could cut out like 3-4 zones without breaking the integrity of the level

[tough atlas]

I just think it could have done without the branches being what they are, just make them res zones

The highlights of the map anyway are the alarm before reactor and Extreme

[astral ferry]

well it'd be too similar to r1d1 then !!

[tough atlas]

😄

[astral ferry]

honestly I think that's why they added all that extra bloat to r5d1

[tough atlas]

Eh to be fair "extra bloat" is a feature of all R5

[daring pilot]

extreme + changing the alarm types + the new enemies made it different enough imo

[tough atlas]

I've my own personal 100% based on nothing theory

as to why

[daring pilot]

spill

[astral ferry]

r5 combat/movement was so good that every r5 player forgot r5 levels suck ass

[tough atlas]

The players they had to test that were really good and zoom zoomed the shit out of all the maps so they kept making them harder

[daring pilot]

oh yeeeaaahh kiting

[daring pilot]

mmmm yeah makes sense

[tough atlas]

Either that or they gave them infinite boosters

[half hornet]

R5D2 was the lighting round reactor, right? I think that level is alright in theory. Just that final code acqusition is kinda bullshit.

[daring pilot]

That’s why i don’t really care if people first try all my occy levels in like 1 hour. If they had fun, I’m cool with it

[tough atlas]

And so the % of clear rate they had was so big they just shipped it out

[astral ferry]

it's a nice twist on your standard reactor level

[tough atlas]

R5D2 is fine

[astral ferry]

and a good way to utilize respawn rooms

[daring pilot]

2nd to last actually

[tough atlas]

It's the definition of "fine" personally

[daring pilot]

R5D2 is cool

defo one of my favorite reactors, the level overall is kind of annoying because of the part beforehand, but it’s a good level

[tough atlas]

It ain't a fuckload gigantic reactor and I like the fact that they got rid of the cell fetch IIRC you had 1 more zone to go through before the beeeeg alarm

[daring pilot]

REALLY good use of respawn zones

Probably one of the best in the game ngl

[tough atlas]

To be fair I've mixed feelings about the cocoons

[daring pilot]

I think it’s great. You go through them first time, clear the rooms before alarm. Come back with key, sneaking. Code fetcher goes through 3rd time, sneaky. Comes back, usually sneaky but I’ve seen them just pull

[tough atlas]

No I meant cocoons in general

[daring pilot]

Respawn rooms you have to deal with more than twice are cool

[daring pilot]

Ah

My only issue is I think scout respawns are BS

[tough atlas]

That level uses them finely but to be fair it's like 2 rooms you need to go through then it's new territory anyway

I felt like it could simply have been an additional sec door that opens with all that jazz and it wouldn't have mattered much

[daring pilot]

mmmm, it makes it so that you absolutely have to sneak in fetch zones, no?

because it’s a bunch of charger/bbc/cscout?

I was defending on my clear

[tough atlas]

?

No

[daring pilot]

Oh ok

[tough atlas]

Like, we pulled that beeg room with the bridge you get stuck

[daring pilot]

I thought the fetch zone was right there

oh

Ok

We never pulled that

Lol

[tough atlas]

then we pulled the BBC big room while 2 defended in that one

[daring pilot]

wait

I think we did pull it accidentally

But we liked defending on the hump of the overlap tile

[tough atlas]

I mean you can stealth it to be fair

But will all the caveats of stealthing

[daring pilot]

mmm, yeah

[tough atlas]

and stealthing BBCs+CS zone can be to be honest a pain I believe

[daring pilot]

Still think it’s a way better use of cocoons than like, R5D1, where they just feel spammed in those first 2 zones of EX

[tough atlas]

Plus you can save the door so you can pull the cocoon bridge

[daring pilot]

Honestly that first zone did not have to be a cocoon zone, it always gets pulled before reactor

[tough atlas]

Ultimately in most cases I feel that cocoons just make me retake the test even if I passed it, under the premise that if I'm really good I'll pass it again

[daring pilot]

Mmm yeah

I think R6D3 did em pretty well

[tough atlas]

And even then you can just say "fuck it" and pull it so there's not much to pass

[daring pilot]

decent enough threat that most players didn’t even think ab pulling it lol

Well

Most new-medium players

[tough atlas]

It DID but to be fair I feel like they are there to just "enforce" stealth

[daring pilot]

mmmm, which I think is fine

[tough atlas]

And they could have had the same effect with just filling the zone with more Tanks/Moms

[daring pilot]

The game forces you to go loud sometimes

Why can’t it force stealth

i think with cocoons, my biggest issue is some of those early R5 levels where they are just EVERYWHERE for 0 reason, and also R7B3

[tough atlas]

Yeah

In R7B3 they're there to fill a quota

the Cocoon Board of Directors wanted at least X levels to have Cocoons

as per Cocoon Syndicate agreements

[daring pilot]

R7B3 was supposed to teach respawns? Put them ONLY in 108, don’t make us fucking clear that and spawn again

We didn’t need them in 2 zones

Spawn zone having them was obscenely annoying

[tough atlas]

Those rooms are so weird anyway you are just gonna pull

[daring pilot]

The 108?

Dark zone?

[tough atlas]

You're just gonna pull the one going back

[daring pilot]

I never pulled that lol

Oh you mean spawn

Yes ah

[tough atlas]

and you're probably gonna pull the shitty ones in lights off land

[daring pilot]

Nop :3

Never pulled that intentionally, and only like 2 times unintentionally

[tough atlas]

I did, fuck fog+stealth+no lights

[daring pilot]

Honestly that zone was fun to stealth, mainly because I stack FRP like a motherfucker

[tough atlas]

FRP?

[daring pilot]

fog rep power

love that shit

[tough atlas]

ah

[daring pilot]

made those zones goofy aaaaah

[tough atlas]

Point is, I wonder what other ideas they had that got scratched out that apparently cocoons were better

[daring pilot]

Also it turns Fog reps into aoe flashlights

[daring pilot]

mmmm

Idk tbh

[tough atlas]

I know about the shooter infectous

and the cockroaches thingies

[daring pilot]

I wonder if 109 had an alarm that got scrapped

Because 108 had the light terminal

That turns the lights back on in 108/9

[daring pilot]

Oh this kind of scrapped

[tough atlas]

That, to be honest, I also found weird. The first time I went through that I imagined to see WAY more stuff like that, while R7B2 just has you put a command. What other cases of "reach terminal for X" are there? R7D1 to lower alarm and... R8B4 to lower fog?

[daring pilot]

I mean, check out modding server

[daring pilot]

Honestly?

R6D1 ;)

[tough atlas]

Ah yes

[daring pilot]

R7D1, R8B4, TECHNICALLY R8B3 and D2 but nobody uses anything other than class 9 on D2

feel like there’s more

[winter wharf]

R7b3 turn lights on

[daring pilot]

would’ve been cool for AX to have that, where instead of having to do all that side zone BS you could just go ham on a class 9

Newbies get to take an easy route, vets get to do a crippling alarm

Honestly wish GTFO played more with the “different ways to play the level” concept. I feel like that got mashed into optional objectives, which became not very optional to vets and people obsessed with completion

R8’s bulkhead splits were what I wish a lot of optionals had been

• different way to play level
• doesn’t add extra time
• doesn’t make people miss out on completion if you do both

like imagine R5D1 had a room where you choose to either continue with reactor shutdown, or go through an extreme path to overload and disable the sector power grid, meaning you didn’t have to do a chunk of main

[prisma zodiac]

the idea of having different paths to get to the same goal is always cool

wouldve been great if zones couldve connected back together to the same zone

[daring pilot]

YES

man I wish that was possible

[prisma zodiac]

kind of like r8b2 (forced through optionals sadly)

also, while i like levels like r6d2, i wouldnt want it to be multiple ways to get the objective done all the time

But different paths to it

[daring pilot]

exactly:)

[livid heath]

@glossy crescent when alex isnt gay anymore

[tough atlas]

That sword looks WAY too big, blade-wise, for that sheath

[fallow wasp]

Hakumen gaming

[pseudo lily]

shameless quixotic plug

teehee

i wanna expand on it a lot more

[deft kiln]

If GTFO

Removed

Most team scans

This game would have insane routing for speed and more ways to play the levels

[astral ferry]

but gtfo wouldn't be a co-op game w/o team scanz

[deft kiln]

Your right

Crazy them made a co op game

Where I have to stand in a circle with some

And that is the only team play issue

[winter wharf]

shoutout to rundown 5(?) for adding team scans onto every uplink

[deft kiln]

Very cool

[winter wharf]

i love respawn rooms i love respawn rooms

[astral ferry]

the funny thing is that they were added mid-r5 probably because people used to block respawn rooms in the first r5c1 uplink

[deft kiln]

If only there was a way

[winter wharf]

oh my god

[deft kiln]

We could have avoided this as an issue

Without adding team scans

To uplinks

Unfortunately game design is to hard

[astral ferry]

simultaneous uplinks could've been cool

[deft kiln]

It would allow more ways to play Levels

[astral ferry]

like in og r4a1 speedruns

[deft kiln]

yeah

it would be sick crazy and stupid

R5c1 rush to open back door into both uplinks

[astral ferry]

insert obligatory "a level where you split up" meme

[winter wharf]

is this finally the level where players split up

[deft kiln]

I think GTFO would do well removing all teams scans at the start of alarms or on doors

You can keep the ones on objectives

[astral ferry]

should remove spawn cap while we're at it

[deft kiln]

If GTFO could run with 40 sleepers updating a frame

40 sleepers would be an insane spawn cap

[prisma zodiac]

Theres some good ones

but they would feel so much better if they were placed with intent

[astral ferry]

me abusing host's weak cpu on r7d2 to infinite kite 1 quadrillion babies

[deft kiln]

If you remove most of the team scans on the start of alarms

it would fix 90% of the intent issues

[prisma zodiac]

i think the idea of 1st scan of alarms having team scans is

1. punishes random ass pulls
2. stops INSANE spawn blocks most of the time

[deft kiln]

Yeah spawn blocks do become an issue

Maybe we just set the spawns of these alarms

[prisma zodiac]

eh

also sucks

[deft kiln]

Instead of trying to generate them randomly

[hexed vapor]

Combat does kind of break down if players are too spread.

Enemies start getting lost, or in loops of running back and forth.

[deft kiln]

This is an enemy pathing issue tho

[prisma zodiac]

enemies simply shouldnt aggro on players super far away if theres others close honestly

[hexed vapor]

It is a pathing/decision tree issue, but team scans kind of "solve" the problem with minimal effort.

[prisma zodiac]

the real issue is that team scans are on so many normal doors

god ffs

[deft kiln]

^

[prisma zodiac]

i love standing in teamscans waiting for pubs …

i love having to route around teamscans for speeds

[deft kiln]

I mean the r8e2 routing

Would be so much better

Without team scans

[prisma zodiac]

Dont remind me jish

im still sad

[deft kiln]

Tbh r8 should have also made the 3rd terminal for time optional

With another alarm

[nocturne flax]

can we please remove half the teamscans on r4b2

for the love of fucking god

[deft kiln]

I agree

[nocturne flax]

jesus christ

[deft kiln]

And r4c2

[nocturne flax]

fucking what

7

in the first 5 min

like what

sorry im ranting

i apologize

[deft kiln]

I agree

Why does mom zone in r5e1 have team scan

Speed would be so much better without it

Same with charger door

like we would actually just save a extra min

[prisma zodiac]

team scans slowing down speeds

what a surprise

[deft kiln]

r4e1 has very long stealth scans that no one interacts with

As stealth scans

R2e1 is actually pretty effective about no team scans ngl

r7e1 is fine as well

Team scans into mom zone and p mom zone are probs obsolete

[prisma zodiac]

Its all teamscans aside from blood doors LOL

[deft kiln]

yeah but I like all of those team scans

[prisma zodiac]

well ye

They make sense

[deft kiln]

There isn’t any I would remove or add

I just think r2e1 should of had the last alarm have shadow giants in the population

[balmy robin]

Don't you remember those E2 Team Scans Eva ? (kof)

[prisma zodiac]

yes

fml

[balmy robin]

How much we raged ^^

[prisma zodiac]

lemme wait at doors

[balmy robin]

Nothing beats waiting at a closed door, with a countdown running

[deft kiln]

R8c1 overload

[velvet linden]

just go faster

[deft kiln]

Team scans

Are disgusting ngl

Ruins the moment for me

[velvet linden]

kick other teammates once 1 person is there

have them rejoin later

[balmy robin]

They are nasty ; I wish they did not keep them, but then again, you can only have so many iterations

[prisma zodiac]

speedruns would be so funny if you could kick people

[velvet linden]

you can

[prisma zodiac]

r7e1 saves like a full minute at least

[deft kiln]

extra 2 mins

[prisma zodiac]

so many runs would be funny

key tp to host

[astral ferry]

why isn't it part of the lawless ruleset

[balmy robin]

the last one from R7E1 is kind of cheating though

It you read the intent from that sequence

[prisma zodiac]

Well speedruns often ignore intent

[deft kiln]

We don’t care about intent

[balmy robin]

I know

[deft kiln]

tbh normal players should care about intent either

[prisma zodiac]

I have several guesses

[balmy robin]

They should just enjoy the game the way they want, I agree as well

[prisma zodiac]

Normal players dont care but get lead somewhere

give freedom while leading the player

[deft kiln]

Dally

ideally

[prisma zodiac]

bloodborne does this supremely well in the first area

or generally tbh

but first area

Is chefs kiss of chefs kisses

[deft kiln]

Everyone take a shot

[prisma zodiac]

WDYM

goated game

ill fight you

[deft kiln]

Souls like reference in game design discussion

Take a shot

[velvet linden]

im died from alcohol poisining

[deft kiln]

Unfo

Lucky you aren’t needed for the team scans anymore

[prisma zodiac]

What

gibberish?

[deft kiln]

It is just very very common

[prisma zodiac]

or gibberjish

[kind swan]

souls-like.

[deft kiln]

Fixed it

[prisma zodiac]

i mean i love soulsborn games

I just remember that bloodborne design as i watched a 30 min video on it

[astral ferry]

omg guys

is gtfo like the dark souls of horde shooters

[deft kiln]

Omg omg omg ong omg omg omg omg omg omg omg