#gtfo-spoiler-chat

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chilly prairie
surreal rivet
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Next week, maybe (copium)

fallow wasp
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Building a jungle is difficult, give them a wee bit more time

lyric knot
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I'm hoping they give us a real boss fight unlike r6d1 which was way too easy

fresh bronze
lyric knot
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That's not making it hard, that's making it impossible

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I want a boss like the immortal tank but when you reach the extract you bait him into some sort of machine that exposes his tumors so you can kill him.

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Or maybe something completely different but not stationary.

fresh bronze
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Joking obv

prisma zodiac
daring pilot
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reminds me of the boss from Lockout 2 tbh

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hiding a weakspot

hexed vapor
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Let's say you have to carry a cell across three zones, and while you do this you have to survive a constant alarm wave with a mix of strikers and chargers. Inserting the cell lets you disable the waves, but you have to hold out for 90 seconds.

Is this a good challenge, or is it too easy?

Should I throw in a mom or a tank?

What if you have to sneak past some enemies to reach the cell first (while error is blaring)?

tough atlas
# hexed vapor Let's say you have to carry a cell across three zones, and while you do this you...

Personally, the issue with the "error while sneaking past enemies" is that it's something hard to balance. Some of the cases I think about in vanilla are either "snorefest for those who defend" or "let's just pull everything lel" only case I can think about right now that does the "sneak while alarm" is r4e1 extreme, and that actively works because the team "splits". So I guess it also depends on if the cell is on the way of the generator to turn alarm off

hexed vapor
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Let's just pull everything might be fine, though. I think it'd be mostly for flanking the players.

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Just not sure if it'd be too hard/easy depending.

tough atlas
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I mean, if you feel like they're gonna pull the rooms anyway...

hexed vapor
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Well you see, my ability to fine-tune this is somewhat restricted.

tough atlas
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I see

hexed vapor
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I think I'll "playtest" the simplest version in #lfg-north-america to see if it gets rolled over or not.

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Maximum threats is probably doable if you have a highly experienced 4-stack, but damn would that be a pain to set up.

tough atlas
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Make a minuscule S1 scan but it spawns like 5 immortals

hexed vapor
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Not in the cards, unfortunately.

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Maybe in R8.

tough atlas
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Dang

hexed vapor
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I have access to up to 2 moms, up to 2 tanks, and enemy waves can be either normal, chargers, or both.

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Waves can be deactivated by either the cell or by a terminal off somewhere.

daring pilot
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mmm mixed waves is probably more difficult if you lean charger heavy

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And have the occasional shooter

hexed vapor
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Not completely sure, but I think it might alternate.

daring pilot
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Hmmm

hexed vapor
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Which is itself kind of unique, I guess.

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Might also be inconsistent, lmao.

daring pilot
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Honestly I don’t usually put super difficult enemies for a “sneak past X” in an error

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Simply because from what I’ve seen, people will always pull

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And I don’t want to waste peoples time, but I also don’t want to put something so difficult in that it’s incredibly frustrating if you make a misstep

hexed vapor
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In my mind, it's basically the smallest difficulty bump I can add above the constant waves.

daring pilot
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Mmmm

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I’m slightly off-kilter in terms of wave balance right now because I’ve been balancing for my double duo level

hallow lark
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Nice

idle nacelle
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but that just makes people pull rooms

deft kiln
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charger giant spam with 4 tanks mom p mom is digesting

hexed vapor
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I do not have access to a pmom, or a way to adjust zone layout :/

plain saddle
hexed vapor
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The kite is just too hard.

deft kiln
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we mod

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become what you hate

plain saddle
# hexed vapor The kite is just too hard.

Best bet would be to hybrid cap I think, and then go crazy with bridge exploit, just roll pmom in A, and then the only scary part is pulling all tanks in tank zone

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Is final zone a stop all waves though

winter wharf
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what is bridge exploit

hexed vapor
daring pilot
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it kinda creates surges

winter wharf
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I see

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enemy spawns in that level are so funky

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hold too far forward at the beginning and you only get giants of the side zone enemy type

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hold on bridge and you get more spawns I guess

tough atlas
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You basically punish the player for not rushing, in theory, but in practice they can simple get shit luck and get forward spawns asap

solemn wigeon
fresh bronze
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completely fair def not down to rng hoping the game doesnt fuck you with bad spawns

idle nacelle
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tbh I would like more R2C2 (I think) levels

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not really any sleepers just run and gun

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or in that case run and bonk

tough atlas
solemn wigeon
fresh bronze
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I dont even remember the level so ill take your word for it

hasty condor
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OG R4B2 PE

balmy robin
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In both of those, forward spawns were quite the curse

chilly prairie
errant vigil
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The circle kite overload alarms level

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Classic

hexed vapor
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Apparently reactors are spawning enemies at least 3 rooms away from the reactor when there are no players pushing the spawn (players in or past reactor relative to the spawn).

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Specifically if they are allowed to backwave*

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Actually, no.

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It seems like it's based on how far out you're positioned.

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And it affects the spawn distance globally on every path from the reactor.

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Why does it work this way?

paper beacon
astral hazel
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is the snatcher in a lot of levels?

prisma zodiac
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what is "a lot"

astral hazel
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more than 5

prisma zodiac
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yes

astral hazel
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good thanks

half hornet
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5 / 70...

prisma zodiac
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its more than that so

half hornet
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Yeah, like 7 or 8

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I can barely count or remember any of them

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Don't remember if there is one in R7D2 and R7E1... But for sake of argument i'll assume that yes.

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And a couple sprinkled around the alt rundowns... like 2 or 3

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So like 9 at best and half of them are in R7

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I don't think even one showed up for ALT R6, which was exceptionally dissapointing.

prisma zodiac
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theres like 10+

fallow wasp
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I wonder what the rarest enemy is

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Besides Pablo

prisma zodiac
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r6d1 kraken

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then pmom

fallow wasp
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It’s gotte be between pmom and big floaters

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Oh yeah I guess I shoulda mentioned kraken too

half hornet
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Fair to say that enemy showing up 1 time is automatically disqualified

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(technically he shows up 2, but it doesn't matter)

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So yeah, Pmom and Shocker.
There's like... 5 pmoms and total and about the same amount of shocker.

fallow wasp
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Assuming we don’t count infinite spawns of them as well?

prisma zodiac
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pmom
r3d1, r4e1, r5d1, r7d2, r7e1
big flyers
R6AX, R6CX, R7B3, R7C2, R7E1 am i missing some?

fallow wasp
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In case you keep fucking up reactor waves

prisma zodiac
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but pmom is only one

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big flyers multiple

fallow wasp
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Ah, I wish I had acute knowledge of which levels contained which enemies

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I wonder how many levels you could complete with pablo following you around

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Anything with a long S scan is automatically questionable

half hornet
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More like impossible

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Unless you just stock up on medkits, designate a + Melee Resist guy to eat the kisses and just heal him

fallow wasp
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I’d like to say impossible but I don’t know if there are any maniacs who can find a way around it

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Maybe max bios can speed

half hornet
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Just imagine trying to do R7C1 scan

fallow wasp
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And then kite him away real quick

half hornet
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Not happening

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There's nowhere to hide

fallow wasp
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I guess there’s no way to know for certain unless someone tries it

prisma zodiac
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kite him away

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cfoam doors

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do scan

fallow wasp
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That’s what I’d think would be the Strat

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It’s mainly just if you scan fast enough to complete it without running out of resources

fresh bronze
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assuming just mains id say most a and b tier maps are pretty doable with a 4 man group, not easy but doable

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now c tier and up generally id say would start to get pretty rough having a pet pablo licking you nonstop

kind swan
late bloom
narrow gulch
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technically infinite pmoms in r7d2 if you checkpoint

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(I dont think this matters)

velvet linden
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technically infinite pmoms if you use cconsole

alpine spindle
hexed vapor
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Brazil skip goes hard.

olive shoal
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its kinda cool

hexed vapor
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Vod when? I was raiding and couldn't watch ending very closely.

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Watching Brazil skip is a DPS loss.

olive shoal
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i can upload my pov at some point

prisma zodiac
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ill try and get a video out soonish

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pls send povs d4rkevLul

hexed vapor
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How consistent could you get it, though?

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Assuming enough practice.

prisma zodiac
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pretty well
its unironically mostly just a respawn zone diff

hexed vapor
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Do you guys have to get through it that quickly to get it?

prisma zodiac
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to get what

hexed vapor
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To get to reactor and stabilize?

prisma zodiac
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we go through it 3 times
1st time we need to go due to pablo + chargers (we dont wanna wake pmom/scouts

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so we kinda have to hurry

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2nd time in is planned somewhat chill but did go chaotically

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3rd time is pure running no care

winter wharf
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unfortunately my pov sucks

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but hey, it's brazil skip

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I'll ping you when it's up

hexed vapor
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I'm also realizing that the final strat was in-fact the level where the players stick together.

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This is huge.

winter wharf
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very huge

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ending probably couldve gone smoother if scouts were closer for shooting and stuff

half hornet
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So did you beat it finally or what

prisma zodiac
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yup

half hornet
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Outstanding

winter wharf
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Wait, this means r8 releases next tuesday

balmy robin
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Wait what ?

winter wharf
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we beat brazil skip, so r8 can release now

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we unlocked the secret ending

balmy robin
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Congratulations !!

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I did not stay to watch

hexed vapor
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We have met all of the prerequisites to continue the non-alt story.

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Glowsticks can be green, now, at last.

prisma zodiac
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imagine

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instead they are blue

hexed vapor
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Insane twist.

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That wouldn't make much sense in-lore, though.

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You'd have to do a Brazil anti-skip for blue glowsticks.

prisma zodiac
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Brazil anti-skip

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do brazil skip, then do the s scan

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then finish

winter wharf
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I still want to believe that we're just going into a separate part of the complex which would ordinarily isolated from out part, and each different part of the complex basically has the same thing going on

so basically multiverse theory but instead it's just multiple similar sections of the complex in the same world

hexed vapor
winter wharf
hexed vapor
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Removes any enemies you wake, too.

olive shoal
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Time the dimension tp with extraction finish

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So you end the run in Brazil

prisma zodiac
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@olive shoal how

olive shoal
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idk

prisma zodiac
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legit, how

olive shoal
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cc

prisma zodiac
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its so far apart + s scan

olive shoal
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I know a guy

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heard he’s quick on his feet

hexed vapor
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Leave one person behind, they rejoin and finish scan

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R8 canonically becomes 3-player.

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And/or new character!?!?

olive shoal
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north

prisma zodiac
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that timing

olive shoal
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He’s finally here

prisma zodiac
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wont work

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right?

hexed vapor
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What timing?

balmy robin
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Wow, congrats then

prisma zodiac
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because once you click join it stops the s scan

hexed vapor
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I don't think you get TPed

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if you join late

prisma zodiac
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oh

hexed vapor
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I should test in a pub run.

prisma zodiac
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thats what you mean

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you should get tped

hexed vapor
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Solo Brazil skip.

prisma zodiac
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definetly happens in smth like r6d4

hexed vapor
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Does it?

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I thought that was only fresh joins.

kind swan
half hornet
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We still don't have a confirmed point of jump

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I have a faint suspicion we'll actually experience the back jump in R8

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So everything up to this point was basically a prequel

hexed vapor
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Did anyone know that "START" is an accepted terminal command?
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late nebula
hexed vapor
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No idea what it does.

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It wants a file, but not sure how to give it one that it will accept.

fresh bronze
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i mean in a actual cmd terminal it just allows you to launch a program afaik

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maybe it was intended at one point in developement to have more complex commands and applications in the terminals

hexed vapor
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I wonder if it's deprecated or new.

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I'd assume deprecated, though.

fresh bronze
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prob just something added with the intention of being used later on that either A. never got developed, or more likely B. was scrapped because half the community still doesnt know how to use a terminal

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but yeah id assume the same

hexed vapor
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START command coming R9.

fresh bronze
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last thing this game needs is terminals to be more complicated, i can see steam coming out of peoples ears when they are learning terminals as is

hexed vapor
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Eh

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People just don't want to learn things.

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And if you don't want to learn things, some obstacle will eventually be insurmountable for you.

fresh bronze
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ofc

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im just not sure these anti terminal types will survive another "difficult" command

cosmic quail
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The only difficult thing about terminals is why are objective items all named so weirdly

hexed vapor
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Ngl, if we could have one more objective in R7 that was a terminal command that gated people from reaching R7E1...

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Pubs for that level would be so much better.

fresh bronze
cosmic quail
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Lmao

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Fun times

fresh bronze
hexed vapor
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R7C3 can save us.

fresh bronze
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as of now i cant really name a e tier that is harder than every other objective in the rundown

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yeah id def say r2e1 and r7e1 are far harder than anything proceeding them, and those are the easy e tiers

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but i havent progressed far enough in r4 or r5 to really decide on that yet since i aint unlocked the e tiers

hexed vapor
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R4E1 and R5E1 are definitely above the hardest PEs in R4 and R5.

fresh bronze
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i figured as much

alpine spindle
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Cell skippers stay winning

winter wharf
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but yeah, those missions cool and difficult (for most people)

mossy yoke
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how'd you discover that 😄

deft kiln
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a random stream

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they couldnt firgure out reactor startup

cosmic quail
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real

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startup_reactor moment

hexed vapor
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They put in random garbage.

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Then put START

balmy robin
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"If a thousand people type the START command at the same time in game, it starts the countdown to Rundown 8 release" - (this is a joke, do not attempt)

deft kiln
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START GTFO?

hexed vapor
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and instead of incorrect command they get 'REACTOR' IS AN INVALID FILE NAME

balmy robin
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Interesting :)

mossy yoke
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surprised it took this long to discover it

deft kiln
balmy robin
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Is it like the "head" linux command ?

deft kiln
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or is this just the funny funny end of it

balmy robin
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Prints the first lines of a log file ?

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I am at work but want to check now :')

cosmic quail
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just play at work

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ong

balmy robin
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If only :'(

cosmic quail
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rip

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it also doesnt give a paragraph break

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interesting

deft kiln
deft kiln
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trade info you know

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it is a good deal it is a nasty bug. bricks the game

mossy yoke
deft kiln
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XD

balmy robin
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Can someone type "start gtfo.exe" ? Play GTFO in GTFO ? GTFO-ception ?

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I want to know now...

deft kiln
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na

deft kiln
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we tried starting doc reds dog .exe and lots of gtfo refences

balmy robin
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:D

deft kiln
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dont even know if we need the file entenstion in it or anything

balmy robin
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We know that the "LOGS" command acts similar to a "CAT" linux command (except for audio ones)

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It could make sense that the "START" command is looking for a program to execute, like an "EXEC" linux command

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At least that is my best bet for it...

deft kiln
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but we dont know what file we would look for?

mossy yoke
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maybe the filename will become more apparent when R8 releases?

deft kiln
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thank you for the info btw uplink bug is caused by reseting right as you drop (before you load in red light) into an uplink levle this will break level gen and extract wont be completable. this breaks every level you play on that boot of the game @mossy yoke

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an if you managed to type in uplink code it breaks more stuff but it is just a level gen bug

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if you want full clips i can get them at some point very cool bug tbh annoying for speedrunning

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info for info ❤️

mossy yoke
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nah, no need. i believe weebneet has brought all the relevant info to our attention about that bug.

deft kiln
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Kk gl gl

prisma zodiac
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weeb taking all the „glory“ Sadge

prisma zodiac
placid oyster
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i dun even know what i brough up about the uplink thing KEKW
might be that another issue was heavily related to that and modding community also gave me some insight curious

deft kiln
placid oyster
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honestly, that would be something i want to happen before final update too yea
we'll see what can be done and shall pray for its well being AscPrayge

deft kiln
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honestly this is bring back bad memories of me as a middle child

marsh tinsel
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when dev-leaks

placid oyster
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good question, patiently waiting on calle to finally do sth again KEKW

fresh bronze
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is r4c1 the level with the 10 uplink secondary?

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i cannot fucking remember its been so long

deft kiln
fresh bronze
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gotcha

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thanks

narrow gulch
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Think it's 12 byeah it is

deft kiln
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12 = 10

hasty condor
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12 waves

fresh bronze
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more than i remember

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its been like 6 months

deft kiln
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after 10 all uplinks are the same

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dw

narrow gulch
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Uplink skip check

deft kiln
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1000 codes

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done in 10 seconds

tough atlas
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Why was the "terminal speed" booster removed btw?

hasty condor
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I is fish

tough atlas
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I remember it being a thing

narrow gulch
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Can we add the ability to open the game log on the terminal

deft kiln
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XD

narrow gulch
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And then write a script

deft kiln
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!!

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they are gonna add it

deft kiln
hasty condor
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may niche?

narrow gulch
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Imagine you just run 1 command and your script instantly does the full uplink

deft kiln
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game becomes a cs check

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love this

hasty condor
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I don't think the melee damage bonus is very strong in bioscan.

deft kiln
hasty condor
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The only strong thing about R5 is provision

narrow gulch
deft kiln
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XD

hasty condor
tough atlas
nocturne flax
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Trio that shit

west crow
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Just leave the scan 🥰

broken charm
lyric knot
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Is that actually true? There were 6 tanks in the R5C2 overload room?

tough badger
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For about a week

lyric knot
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Was that even possible to beat?

tough badger
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Yup

lyric knot
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How? I can't imagine you would have enough ammo

tough badger
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I only got to c2 around the day after it was patched but I know other people did it

lyric knot
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Thats crazy, its one tank and a bunch of other big boys and it seems impossible for me

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Maybe I'm just bad tho

tough badger
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Unreasonable, but not impossible

lyric knot
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Yeah, thats a better term for it. I tried baiting the whole wave into the other rooms, using mines and cfoam to clear them, but I still got overrun by the normal waves spawning afterwards. I haven't attempted it since.

narrow gulch
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Kiting

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Giant cap

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Aka boring shit

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Average r4 r5 bs

lyric knot
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I don't like doing that kind of stuff, I like to just endure the pain

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If I can't do it, so be it

tough badger
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Yeah I think the original r5c2ov nerf is the most well-received I've ever seen lol

lyric knot
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And its still really hard post nerf, this is the only game where I've accepted defeat. I've played all the souls games and they are a walk in the park in comparison.

tough badger
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I saw more people mad about the gen cluster zone not respawning anymore

lyric knot
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I can't relate to wanting this game to be more difficult than it already is

tough badger
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tbf you have to replay way more content to get back to what killed you into gtfo

narrow gulch
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Post nerf really ain't that bad

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You're just doing it with bots

tough badger
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Oh yeah I wouldn't want to try it with bots, not knowing where the big chargers are is how you lose that objective

lyric knot
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Yeah but I like playing it with my buddy and 2 bots, they add a little humor to the madness

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We just beat the levels we can and pass on the ones that are too much

narrow gulch
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Challenge runs aren't representative of a games difficulty

lyric knot
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Neither is having 1000s of hours and knowing every single detail and strategy beforehand.

narrow gulch
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Shoot gun

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Have a bio

lyric knot
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If the bots had better functionality it wouldn't be so bad

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They tend to melee in those situations and we lose the bio

narrow gulch
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There you go

cosmic quail
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Bots when charger giant

narrow gulch
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1000 hour strategy exposed

lyric knot
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You were telling me to kite and cap the spawner, thats the 1000 hour strat.

narrow gulch
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No

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That was pre nerf strat

cosmic quail
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That was for the 6 tank no?

narrow gulch
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Correct

cosmic quail
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The hilarity

narrow gulch
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I shoulda replied it mb

nocturne flax
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6 tanks my beloved

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2 sniper moment

lyric knot
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Anyways its just beyond my capabilities at the moment, and I'm fine with that

nocturne flax
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I wish we had mutators

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😔

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or like challenge mode or something

narrow gulch
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Dis what mods are for

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Vanilla really doesn't need it

cosmic quail
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Mutators?

narrow gulch
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Look at our current playerbase lol

nocturne flax
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more content catering to more endgame stuff never goes underappreciated

narrow gulch
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While I very much so agree

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This games kind of a special case

nocturne flax
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nah

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its just neglected

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and 10cc just didnt know what to do with it

lyric knot
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They seem to be more focused on closing the game rather than perfecting it.

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The bot problems have existed since rundown 6

nocturne flax
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I mean them not standing in scans nobody knows how to reproduce it

icy basalt
lyric knot
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I mean they won't carry objective items in combat, melee in situations where they shouldn't, you can't tell them to pick up anything, etc.

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I've had devastating solo runs where they replaced their fog repellers with lock melters and I couldn't go further

nocturne flax
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carry bug its been here since alt r2 really

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not really since rundown 6

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them meleeing its just logic not really a bug

lyric knot
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Well in rundown 6 they had a different problem where they would get stuck on ladders with the objective

nocturne flax
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only long lasting bug with them its them not entering teamscans

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rundown 8 will bring some of those fixes

lyric knot
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I'm not saying they are all bugs, I'm just saying the quality of life can be increased with the bots being more functional

nocturne flax
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now they have no programmmers

lyric knot
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Many people will turn away from this game by virtue of forced 4 player coop, and don't want to play with randoms

nocturne flax
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you can confortably play 2+2 all levels

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almost

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aside from r7e1

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you gotta play around them but thats expected

lyric knot
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Maybe for players with a lot of experience, but for me there are many more levels that are out of my reach with bots

nocturne flax
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yea because your palying 1 p +3bots most likely

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thats not intended

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2 people can do everything in this game

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the other 2 can just shoot

lyric knot
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No, that was just for the example of bots switching the fog repellers for lock melters. I mostly play with one buddy

nocturne flax
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thats not really a big deal

lyric knot
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It was on R2D1 when I was already deep in the fog

nocturne flax
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i got saved more by them using lock melters kekw but even then when i play 2+2 i try to not micromanage what they have

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if you trying to micro bots you will have a bad time

lyric knot
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Thats because there aren't any commands to tell them to pick up resources and consumables

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And there really should be

nocturne flax
#

becasue that would suck

#

theres a mod for that

#

and even tho its kinda buggy

#

its kinda of a shit experience

#

its way simpler to just ping your ammopacks and grab them yourself then let the bots do its thing with the rest of the resources

#

and you dont even gotta worry about them doing anything wrong with the pakcs

lyric knot
#

Yeah thats true, but I don't like having to backtrack for a resource that is more valuable than the one the bot is holding. Sometimes I just forget about it at that point.

nocturne flax
#

the mod itself you spend more time on the menu sitting right next to a box hoping the hitbox of the resource its reachable for the bot

nocturne flax
lyric knot
#

What if I'm at 80% already?

#

80%+*

nocturne flax
#

then grab the one that has the higher amounts of use and move on

#

point is, people just need to know the bots behaviour and not micro them too much on what they have in their inventory

narrow gulch
#

Backtracking sucks ass with or without bots

nocturne flax
#

you do wanna keep taps on theyre positioning

#

aside from better combat logic they only need to do one actual QOL fix

icy basalt
#

would be even better if u could mark stuff on the map

nocturne flax
#

Make inmortal not target bots

#

and you can play r7e1

#

without having a stroke

#

or wanting to unalive yourself

lyric knot
#

Make immortal walk instead of running when outside his room and you won't need to constantly babysit him

icy basalt
#

it is what it is

nocturne flax
#

the issue its not inmortal itself

#

its the bots

#

pablo just doing its thing

deft kiln
#

R7e1 bots ain’t it

lyric knot
#

Even then its boring to sit with him while ur teammates push forward

nocturne flax
#

yep

#

i mean thats the point of the level

#

you babysit the thing you cant kill

deft kiln
#

You can just go this is a player issue

#

Tbh

nocturne flax
#

and if you have the bots just dying over and over to hiom because they dont even hide its just unfair for our little scripted friends

#

everything that they can shoot its fair game

#

shit they can shoot the bubbles at some crazy angles

velvet linden
nocturne flax
#

tank_boss

velvet linden
#

true

nocturne flax
#

I was expecting PTANK

#

somethign cool

#

maybe introduce some cool planned mechanic

#

nah

#

grey tank

velvet linden
#

can’t wait for tank_employee

nocturne flax
#

cant wait for squidward_schaeffer

mortal portal
#

Can't wait for scout_tank_boss

fallow wasp
#

A boss scout that periodically screams to summon a wave sounds neat

mortal portal
#

I was thinking of an immortal scout. A scout enemy that you simply cannot kill, and must avoid at all times. Maybe like 1 big scout that roams a single big room but cannot be killed

cosmic quail
#

Flyer scout when

late nebula
#

That’s you IFO

cosmic quail
#

Rah

#

Me pulling every room to simulate scout

#

Cluster munitions when

#

Sleeping flyer when

#

Flyer snatcher when

west crow
#

You know you're allowed to think of a new enemy when thinking of a new enemy

cosmic quail
#

That takes brainpower

#

Just mix two enemies in a blender

#

Preferably scout

frail horizon
#

baby scout

#

scout with faster animations and shorter tendril times

#

that also happens to be baby

west crow
#

You just want validation for using the knife

frail horizon
#

but i can kill reg scouts

#

sounds more like someone doesn't like choices and options

cosmic quail
#

Mother scout

west crow
#

But you don't use anything besides knife

cosmic quail
#

It spawns baby scouts

velvet linden
fallow wasp
#

Fat sleeper that runs up to you and explodes with infection

#

Every apocalypse infection needs a boomer

west crow
#

Now you're talking

#

How about a cocoon of sorts that spawns parasites that latch onto players

#

Must be shot off by another player!

#

Very dangerous!

#

How about an enemy that grabs you

#

Call it the gratcher

velvet linden
#

what if the cocoons just spawned regular enemies

west crow
#

Has a nest

#

This sounds like the better option

#

It should do this infinitely with no tell or animation

velvet linden
#

i think this "gratcher" of yours would be much better if it was just a guy

west crow
#

Has a gun

#

Shoots at you

cosmic quail
#

That's just a teammate

west crow
#

Should release with the female prisoner Rebecca stone

#

Though I think the female prisoner would have makeup on because she would be a girl

#

And no shoes because I think they wouldn't be given shoes

velvet linden
#

would she have pink subtitles

west crow
#

Ofc

#

Don't be ridiculous

nocturne flax
#

what about a coccon that opens up and have a scout tentacle that extends troughout the room

velvet linden
#

no they should not add that

west crow
#

Not a fan

velvet linden
#

it would confuse new players

west crow
#

Don't want that

velvet linden
#

what about another smg type weapon that does 0.1 more damage and fires 0.1s slower

west crow
#

I think we need another hel sentry

#

One preferably without the hel

velvet linden
#

what about a hel booster

#

makes you hel

west crow
#

Too confusing for new developers

velvet linden
#

have the old developers do it then

west crow
#

😢

velvet linden
#

sorry i forgot they all retired to work on cyberheist

lyric knot
#

Id like to see more roaming enemies, like blind sleepers that only react to sound.

#

So when you smack one with hammer, the rest will start walking towards you

late nebula
#

Spitter sleepers. Smack one and they pop infection on you

west crow
#

Sorry patrol enemies do not exist bye bye

lyric knot
#

Scout?

west crow
#

Spitters already do that

#

Nope

#

Fake patrol

velvet linden
#

patrol enemies are too confusing for new discord members

west crow
#

Just checked the code

#

Have to agree

#

And disagree

#

Sorry

lyric knot
#

Well I'd say new players are going to be confused anyways, so why not?

velvet linden
#

no

west crow
#

Don't see that in the code anywhere

velvet linden
#

new playerw will watch the markiplier video

west crow
#

Thats going to have to be a no go

velvet linden
#

so they will not be confused

kind swan
velvet linden
#

sorry i am banned from frostty's club penguin house

west crow
#

Double backed with the devs, still going to have to be a no

#

Sorry that's a no, I'll cc you the response

kind swan
#

Crazy

west crow
#

Very true! Many such cases of this

#

Confirmed by leaked mono code

#

R6 mono code

velvet linden
#

just checked the pre-alpha build and can say that this is in fact true

west crow
#

It's the only fish

#

With a sad face

velvet linden
#

Bro, you're getting cancelled

kind swan
#

:TT_Vibe:

#

Sadge

velvet linden
#

im sorry, but you have already used your emote for today, please try again tomorrow

kind swan
#

It's mostly I'm saving for black Friday

#

Prime time to buy gifts and etc

deft kiln
#

Very easy to miss

west crow
cosmic quail
#

dam

deft kiln
#

Is that a threat

#

You gonna get so banned

#

Speak Spanish rn

nocturne flax
#

El terere es mejor que el mate

cosmic quail
nocturne flax
#

Rundown 8 we kill ourselves

#

Oh ooohh

astral ferry
#

thank god
the only way for me to stop playing this game

chilly prairie
#

R8 time? Yes? Now? No? When?

marsh tinsel
#

Maybe December

#

But that's speculation. For some reason the developers are silent, they don't want to tease the players

#

I would really like to get dev-leaks or any info on the R8 though

half hornet
#

Remember when they casually leaked the snatcher animation without the snatcher and we were speculating what it could possibly be

fallow wasp
#

Fun times

#

(I wasn’t participating)

hexed vapor
#

Am I wrong to think HEL Gun is just weak rn?

#

I feel like it needs to be very reactive for the weapon to work, but it really isn't rn.

prisma zodiac
#

What

hexed vapor
#

You can get more out of other weapons rn.

#

Weak might be too strong a word, more specifically it's not top tier.

#

It's maybe comparable to MG rn.

prisma zodiac
#

which tbh is also pretty much top tier?

#

what i could agree on is

#

That hel gun is weak if you arent very good on it

hexed vapor
#

It's a step down from top tier.

prisma zodiac
#

but what is top tier then?

#

Burst cannon obviously

hexed vapor
#

BC, CS, probably HEL Rifle, iffy on if HCP is on-par with or better than MGs.

prisma zodiac
#

id place hel rifle right next to hel gun and high cal similarly to hel rifle (below tho)

cosmic quail
hexed vapor
#

I think I just disagree.

#

HEL Gun doesn't excel enough at anything.

#

Granularity is good, but not extremely good.

tough atlas
cosmic quail
#

Kill fliers with melee ong

daring pilot
#

This

#

Actually reminds me how I accidentally made a ping pong ball out of a 5x speed shocker

winter wharf
#

Hel gun might not excel at anything but it gets value everywhere tbh

#

I don't use it much but I rate it highly

prisma zodiac
winter wharf
#

Maybe in some situations you'd rather have revolver for the same job, but hel gun is very solid

prisma zodiac
#

honestly revolver would only be better for non pen smalls

winter wharf
#

If you get pen as well, then it's going to do wonderfully

prisma zodiac
#

its one of the better small options
Its one of the best charger options
Its probably the best or 2nd best flyer option
Decent enough vs giants still (specifically if you pen)
Very good baby clear on spawn

#

i feel like ray wants to say its not top tier (as in S+ or top of S) anymore. But with how hes saying it, it could be understand as hel gun is a weak gun and not worth taking

daring pilot
#

What is best flyer option?

#

I feel like it’s PR

half hornet
#

It's... Iffy, really.

daring pilot
#

Or revo

#

I’d have to do damage calcs tho

#

And I’m too lazy for that

half hornet
#

PR fails without eye shot

#

Might be high call really

daring pilot
#

We are assuming no skill issues

#

Plus PR has like 50ish bullets to HCP’s 31

half hornet
#

Probably PR then, somewhat easier to aim too

cosmic quail
prisma zodiac
#

pr/revo need a dmg boost via crit etc

#

hel gun doesnt

#

high cal is also pretty good

daring pilot
#

So HCP and hel gun are really good

#

Why the 1 shot, is the weakspot unreliable?

half hornet
#

Yes

prisma zodiac
#

hel rifle is honestly better in some scenarios (like r6d3)

hexed vapor
prisma zodiac
#

it is

daring pilot
#

Idk I seem to have no trouble hitting it

#

I just have trouble actually hitting the flyers

#

Idk why

hexed vapor
#

If I explicitly rate it as on-par with MGs, it's hard to misread me in good faith.

prisma zodiac
#

but either your opinion is actually how you made it seem and i heavily disagree or you put it out way too harshly

prisma zodiac
#

i know how you rated them before

daring pilot
#

I guess I usually use AR/BR for meatballs

prisma zodiac
#

but i know people rate them as meme tier (mostly bad faith tho)

hexed vapor
#

I explicitly said below top tier.

#

A step down specifically.

prisma zodiac
#

top tier can mean different things

#

especially since hel rifle/mgs and high cal are all very close as well imo

hexed vapor
#

A-tier, but not S.

prisma zodiac
#

anyway im looking forward to the r8 composite tierlist

#

thats gonna be interesting

daring pilot
#

I can’t wait for you guys to make the definitive GTFO weapon tierlist together

prisma zodiac
#

especially since its (most likely) the way guns will end up as unless they push some patch stuff after or come back for r9

#

@hexed vapor we promised to put hel pp right below hel revo to troll everyone right :^ ) ?

daring pilot
#

Eva is it gonna go to Apple Podcasts btw

half hornet
#

I just don't like how HEL Gun feels, I fucking hate charge delays

prisma zodiac
hexed vapor
#

Sure sure, straight to A tier.

#

Maybe an S- tier

#

For helpp

daring pilot
prisma zodiac
#

we also cant forget to have auto sentry at S+

daring pilot
#

take it back to 0.2

prisma zodiac
#

I still gotta do hel pp only on a pmom

#

even baby clear

daring pilot
#

mfw

#

4 hel pp?

#

wait the stagger tho

half hornet
#

Honestly I don't mind if they bring to 0.1 again and then nerf something else instead

#

Mag size, reload speed... Whatever.

#

They can experiment some more, if they wish.

#

Otherwise ifs a good gun that I don't want to use.

daring pilot
#

Inb4 they go down to 0.1 and nerf recoil

half hornet
#

Honestly... Why not?

prisma zodiac
#

ffs

#

dont give them ideas dak

#

we had the HAR incident

half hornet
#

Make it kick to the skies, I wanna see it

prisma zodiac
#

artek

half hornet
#

It's basically a one tap semi as it is

prisma zodiac
#

no

#

lol

daring pilot
#

no

#

Do not

#

Give ideas

prisma zodiac
#

its spamability is litteraly one of its strengths

daring pilot
#

BC and HAR were bad enough

half hornet
#

The spam is the issues, yes.

#

That is what they keep nerfing.

#

And now we're here.

#

Attack same thing, but from other sides, see if it works.

#

But they don't have the time to experiment...

daring pilot
#

please no more shitty recoil nerfs

#

It just feels terrible

#

Plus hel gun already has a decent kick

half hornet
#

What other options are there...

hexed vapor
half hornet
#

Damage? Losing 15 breakpoint hurts.
So that leaves us with mag size and reload time.

hexed vapor
prisma zodiac
#

for bigger enemies yes

#

i do think 0.2 would probably be a better spot simply to stop the freaking whining

#

but god knows

#

whether people would still continue

velvet linden
#

compromise
0.25

hexed vapor
daring pilot
#

They could just, leave it at 0.2 and accept that it’s strong

prisma zodiac
hexed vapor
#

0.3 is much less adaptable.

prisma zodiac
#

its still adaptable enough

#

higher ceiling on charger clear than everything but hel rifle

#

lower if you 2 tap than high cal

#

but you obviously play for pen

velvet linden
#

boy i sure hope pen works properly

deft kiln
#

Can we gen a recoils overhaul on ever single weapon

tough atlas
prisma zodiac
tough atlas
#

lel

#

It was unusable as anything other than a 30-bullet pistol

#

Let me generate an Artek take

#

"Choke mod is completely different from Arbalist, and that's a bad thing"

#

21,3,23,1

narrow gulch
#

⚙️

half hornet
#

Yes, choke mod is shit.

tough atlas
#

"Scattergun is similar to HEL Revolver, and that's bad."

#

20,22,2,1

deft kiln
#

¿?¿?¿?

deft kiln
half hornet
#

His rng engine did

tough atlas
deft kiln
#

Honestly based

tough atlas
#

first 1d30 is Weapon A (list on GTFO wiki) second roll is 1 different 30 the same, third is Weapon B and the coinflip is to decide if the comparison ends in "bad or good"

deft kiln
#

He rev is a good hel rev

#

Shouldn’t it be 1d30 then 1d29

tough atlas
#

I was also thinking of changing the coinflip for a 1d5 to give more spectrum

frozen flame
#

Dew it

deft kiln
#

Oo nicr that is a good idea

tough atlas
#

(Again no hate to Artek but I find this thing fun to do)

frozen flame
#

Gtfo is one of the more balanced games I’ve played and this is hilarious to me

half hornet
#

Eh

frozen flame
#

People complaining about difficulty need to understand this is the dark souls of fps “zombie” games

half hornet
#

There is only one real sentry, the rest are various degrees of clownery

#

Mains are pretty much golden, but HEL AP needs a second look

frozen flame
#

Sniper does a decent job, and i forget what the third is ngl 💀

half hornet
#

Specials though... Oof.

#

Oh and AR

frozen flame
#

Specials are just that, specialized lol, they each do a specific thing

half hornet
#

I forgot poor thing exists.

#

No they don't. Not anymore. They used to.

deft kiln
#

But when things like hel auto sentry dont work properly

prisma zodiac
#

its just nerfed non pen thing

#

And it didnt even need the nerf to ammo to begin with

deft kiln
#

Yup worst sentry got tagged for no reason

olive shoal
#

You guys disappoint me

west crow
west crow
#

I keep falling for this shit man

olive shoal
#

the troll gets trolled

#

a tragic fate

#

it comes for us all, someday

west crow
#

Wait until you hear my opinion on the hel shotgun

olive shoal
#

true!

#

still waiting

#

new beep opinion will drop soon I can feel it on the horizon

#

Like a storm

west crow
#

They changed the recoil back on the har and people still didn't give a shit for the weapon

olive shoal
#

I don’t think it’s a complete revert

#

but it’s so much better than before and wow would you look at that

#

Maybe the gun is just outclassed

west crow
#

Idunno, you could make the burst cannon its r4 version and people will still tout that they get more use from the machine-gun

olive shoal
#

WELL ROUNDED

#

if I see anyone shoot a giant with machinegun when there’s smalls around I will refuse to play with them

#

well rounded my ass

#

but yea hel gun isn’t as good as mg obviously guys

#

0.3 too hard for my pea brain to comprehend :((

obtuse surge
#

mg is legit better tho

#

el caca harder to use = better argument again

#

no your hel gun sucks now compared to the buffed mg

olive shoal
#

I think I lost any reason to argue with any of your takes after how many times you’ve failed to prove any kind of intelligence in your main area of gtfo

#

No tool faster than cfoam :D

#

CLOUD GAMING!

#

Hope you enjoy grinding training tho

obtuse surge
#

i dont know why you didnt understand

#

i kind of did explain i was commenting on the public video instead of unposted runs

#

the public video was my boy the pro gamer standing there dropping the cell

#

and then foaming the ladder 4 times

#

before putting the cell in

olive shoal
#

You didn’t explain anything you just backpedaled for an hour because you had terrible opinions on it

obtuse surge
#

ok

olive shoal
#

and you fell back on blaming kolohe for not wanting to use foam like

#

Ok man

obtuse surge
#

?

#

because its true

#

i would have ran the level

#

i think if you use things you dont know anything about

#

it might mean you're not intelligent

olive shoal
#

I was there for the whole argument I think I’ve got a pretty good understanding of how it went

obtuse surge
#

ok

#

i know im bad at explaining what i mean syadouOmegaLUL

olive shoal
#

I saw you fall back on so many different excuses

#

and the one you finally settled on was one player did not want to use foam

obtuse surge
#

for what

#

what was the excuse for

#

for us not playing it?

olive shoal
#

you not running the level

obtuse surge
#

ok

#

like i said

#

its true..

olive shoal
#

You see wesley, maybe you shouldn’t talk on things you don’t know anything about

obtuse surge
#

??

#

uninteligent for not forcing kolohe into playing something he didnt want to

#

my bad

olive shoal
#

imagine if other players existed

#

Isn’t that a concept

obtuse surge
#

only ever get good times with the set group

olive shoal
#

Other players aren’t good enough?

#

So elitist…

obtuse surge
#

group dynamic is worth a lot in this game especially if its with me

#

cuz i dont talk :DDDDDDDDDD

olive shoal
#

I’m sure there are many people who will not flame u for not taking wesley

obtuse surge
#

that's not the problem xd

deft kiln
#

I will if he takes bio

obtuse surge
#

it will be easier to get a good time if the group understands eachother

velvet linden
#

wesley go back to speed running channel

olive shoal
#

can we guys talk about something more interesting

obtuse surge
#

OK

olive shoal
#

Like this one random account that keeps trying to call me

#

That’s been in this server since like 2020

velvet linden
velvet linden
obtuse surge
#

but yeh if you get over yourself, mg with increased mag and one shot stagger is insane for crowd controll

#

wins from hel gun easily in an uncontrolled environment

olive shoal
#

one shot stagger on what, smalls? The enemy it is best against?

#

I’m glad you know what you’re meant to shoot with mg Wesley

obtuse surge
#

small is most the game

velvet linden
#

no knife is for smalls

olive shoal
#

Yea but ppl are here arguing it’s

#

WELL ROUNDED

daring pilot
#

MG?

#

veruta?

obtuse surge
#

it is well rounded cuz it can still do the other stuff too

olive shoal
#

I love spending 4 years spamming mg into giants man

obtuse surge
#

BUT IT WORK THO

daring pilot
#

nah, it's honestly pretty fast

obtuse surge
#

i just think of things that kill me

#

to determine what gun is good

daring pilot
#

as someone who regularly runs veruta

obtuse surge
#

and mg deals with those things better

velvet linden
#

jamie, bring up the splits for veruta giant kill any%

olive shoal
#

Do the crawling enemies kill you lots

daring pilot
#

it's pretty decent at keeping giants on lock

obtuse surge
#

being surrounded by many enemies at once does

#

and mg fucks them all up

velvet linden
obtuse surge
#

also simply have largestboy on sniper and giants dont exist anymore

#

my guy dont miss

velvet linden
daring pilot
olive shoal
#

Maybe the problem is I have beep on sniper then

#

didn’t hit kovaaks…

deft kiln
#

Beep on sniper is a bit of a throw

olive shoal
#

but you’re arguing in the contexts of speedrunning I would assume

deft kiln
#

wait is the argument mg is strong?

olive shoal
#

In a normal environment I am not jumping into the swimming pool of enemies

#

Yes

deft kiln
#

Or mg as like best in slot

olive shoal
#

Or rather

#

It’s better than hel gun

obtuse surge
#

yeh but what if it happens tho

deft kiln
#

Depends on the run

#

If you are doing a low resource run hel gun probs better

obtuse surge
#

hel gun good when everything controlled

olive shoal
#

What if it happens? I’m not going to sit still and shoot all those enemies even with mg man what

obtuse surge
#

but if things are going wrong mg is more likely to save it

obtuse surge
#

it works lol

deft kiln
#

Hel shotgun is more likely to save it than mg

#

Tbh

olive shoal
#

with enemies all around you? At some point you’re gonna take damage that’s just such a dumb playstyle

hexed vapor
#

HEL Gun was better when you could flick between threats more readily.

#

Now it's kind of an eco weapon, and eco weapons are not good.

obtuse surge
#

with hel gun you take damage

#

with mg you don't

olive shoal
#

With either one you do

obtuse surge
#

you just hold left click

#

and swap between the enemy

#

before killing

#

INSANE SKILL

olive shoal
#

With either one I am not sitting in a spot and letting myself get surrounded

#

That’s just stupid

deft kiln
#

Hel gun has a much higher skill cap. Mg is a tad brain dead has a great skill floor

obtuse surge
#

thats not what this is

#

the point is you are already surrounded

#

imagine holding with your team on a scan and they all die

#

so now you are in this situation

deft kiln
#

The thing is you probs misplayed to be surrounded

olive shoal
#

^

daring pilot
#

mg is worse than hel gun in most situations

obtuse surge
#

yeh i agree

daring pilot
#

probably

obtuse surge
#

point is you can save it more easily

olive shoal
#

you’re arguing a single situation that can be avoided by not misplaying

daring pilot
#

except maybe current hel gun

olive shoal
#

How does this make mg better than hel gun

obtuse surge
#

in extremes you can turn that around and then just say any gun is really good

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because you play correctly and then that is indeed true

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i think theres great value in a weapon that can save something thats going wrong

deft kiln
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idk hel gun is really good when you don’t mess up

obtuse surge
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i dont know why you would disregard that

deft kiln
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And it doesn’t take up special slot

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kinda insane tbh

olive shoal
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I think mg is good yes, I’m just saying it’s not stronger than hel gun

obtuse surge
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hel shotgun is pretty good for it too

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its better well rounded than hel gun

deft kiln
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I think they are pretty close but because of the nature of hel gun I think it has the potential to better almost always. But if you are in a zero room distance surge mg is probs better

olive shoal
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Better well rounded cause it can maybe save you better if you position poorly

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That’s a terrible argument

obtuse surge
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ok what are your arguments for it being better

olive shoal
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IN MY SPECIFIC SCENARIO MY GUN PERFORMS BETTER THAN THIS OTHER GUN, SURELY THAT MEANS ITS STRONGER

obtuse surge
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its not my specific scenario

deft kiln
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Efficiency and speed when it comes to lines

obtuse surge
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its the scenarios in which you die

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and now you wont

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sounds valuable to me

olive shoal
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You can’t ignore that penetration is absolutely insane in this game

deft kiln
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you take mg or hel gun

obtuse surge
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i essentially never wipe cuz i ran out of ammo

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so i dont consider that

deft kiln
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Okay so I never get into bad situations

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So I don’t consider that

obtuse surge
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thats not true and you know it

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:DDDDDDDDDDDD

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but you know that even for you the ammo thing is probably true most the time

deft kiln
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Eh yes and no

obtuse surge
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ammo efficiency matters so little in this game unless you are new to fps and cant aim yet at all

deft kiln
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I run hel shot gun scatter every level

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Don’t boo me

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I am right

obtuse surge
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penetration is good but its overrated

olive shoal
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LOL

deft kiln
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It isn’t just efficiency

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It is about speed Wesley

obtuse surge
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thats also efficiency

deft kiln
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3 shots everyone is dead

obtuse surge
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xd

deft kiln
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Yeah but speed killing != ammo efficiency

olive shoal
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I think wesley just wants to be noticed which is why he’s come crawling out of speedrunning channel to argue again

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You got your attention you can go back to training now

obtuse surge
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speed killing gets punished in this game

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xdddddd

deft kiln
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Depends

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Fully on situation

obtuse surge
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ok so

olive shoal
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I’ll see you next time you wanna argue your specific situations all over again

obtuse surge
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in your specific scenarion

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🤓

west crow
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Speed killing is allowed in the diminished alarms

silent kettle
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I cant wait to kill all the r4e1 reactor enemies in 2 seconds and get punished with extra waves

olive shoal
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Rick he doesn’t play that level

deft kiln
olive shoal
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Wesley picks guns for levels he plays (A and B tiers)

obtuse surge
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true

olive shoal
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obviously mg is the pick there

deft kiln
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Well charger is a c teir enemy

olive shoal
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Don’t spoil the game for him wtf

obtuse surge
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i like that you fight my specific scenario

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with your specific scenario

olive shoal
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don’t tell him about snatchers

west crow
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Wesley what happened to random Kenny

obtuse surge
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you are very smart for that

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he hates the game

west crow
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Wtf