gtfo-spoiler-chat

[real moss]

Pathetic 🤮

[tough atlas]

Perhaps but I'd liked the game to streamline some stuff a bit

Think about r4c2's

there's a chance you need to open both surges for extreme

It's just bizzarre imho considering that the game usually has that stuff as mere "you either need zone 2 or zone 3 because only one of them has the key"

While r4b2 or r4c2 throw that off

It ain't a big deal, granted

But I find it weird

[fresh bronze]

almost certainly a oversight

[half hornet]

Okay, so. Remind me whats the final shtick of R7D1 is. The whole terminal business, and why it's such a pain solo (with bots).

It's sort of like an uplink, but not quite?

[alpine spindle]

One of its kind

Uplink without the codes

Terminal communication with dual terminals

[half hornet]

So what's happening there?

[narrow gulch]

it has a time limit

[half hornet]

I remember a terminal overlooking all the creepy machinery.

[alpine spindle]

4 stage terminal initiations + confirmations

It’s to prime the baby

[half hornet]

Any specifics?

Terminal A says "do the thing" and terminal B must say "doing the thing"?

[alpine spindle]

Ah

Main terminal is initiate_connection or something similar

That is terminal A

Terminal B can reside in 3 zones

With verify_connection/something

Left, right, or lucky spawn of the same zone as terminal A

You have a timer-based stage split into 2

Phase 1 timer is to find terminal B

Phase 2 timer is to run command in terminal A to confirm connection to B

Phase 2 is 15 seconds

Don’t remember phase 1 time

Might be a minute 30

[half hornet]

Brutal.

[alpine spindle]

Then you cycle that 4 times

[half hornet]

So that's why soloing the thing is bullshit.

[alpine spindle]

For each of the 4 machines

[half hornet]

Good luck finding the right terminal in 15 seconds.

[alpine spindle]

You can solo D1

The only issue is

[half hornet]

If you can even reach it in that time.

[alpine spindle]

You need to only get one of the close mid-side terminals

The ones super close to the main terminal

It’s roughly 10 seconds away

But you need to stack it 4 times

So the odds of that is roughly 1/10000 or higher

I spent so much time speedrunning that shit duo rolling all 4 main terminals

It is very brutal

[half hornet]

Does it reroll on checkpoint, or new map only?

[alpine spindle]

If solo you NEED main zone terminal Bs closest to As no question or you’ll never be able to pass Phase 2 timer

[alpine spindle]

New map only

[half hornet]

Lovely

[idle nacelle]

oof

[alpine spindle]

Terminal locations are set to the moment you drop

That’s why I spent 2 weeks rolling for the perfect seed

It mentally kills you

Would not recommend trying

[half hornet]

I'm going to guess game log reading is involved.

[alpine spindle]

No

Not displayed in logs

[half hornet]

Amazing.

[alpine spindle]

We physically had to go 10 minutes into the level each time

And then reset if we didn’t get 4 main terminal spawns

It was horrible

Horrible experience

[half hornet]

But how would you know.

[alpine spindle]

I ran it

I’m the only one who ran this shit

[half hornet]

Or does it just takes 10 minutes to get there?

[alpine spindle]

It takes 10 minutes to get there

You do double class 10s

[half hornet]

Mommy?

[alpine spindle]

If you do restricted strat you deactivate alarm but it’s only been done 4 man

[half hornet]

What a level.

[alpine spindle]

For restricted 4 man Strat you deactivate the class 10 charger alarm so that’s pretty easy

But in lawless and restricted you can’t reset until terminal(s) zone

Because you can’t see it in logs

So no matter what you do you HAVE to go to that zone in order to see if it’s doable

So now imagine playing solo

You force yourself to get there and then ROLL for 4 main terminals

Then reset

[half hornet]

So realistically speaking: I can solo my way to that bit... But I'm effectively soft locked on it until I call for help.

[alpine spindle]

Assuming restricted (no bugs) that’ll take at least 20 minutes+ to get there solo

[alpine spindle]

Yes

Unless you roll closest terminal 4 times

And deal with waves consistently

[half hornet]

The side terminals for nerfing class X: are they always same spot, or random each run?

[alpine spindle]

Same

I never go mom zone

But it is static too

[half hornet]

I remember sneaking in mom zone. Honestly a highlight for me.

That was before they fixed free overload.

Can't imagine doing it with grabby Bois harassing your team.

[alpine spindle]

Doable

Just very annoying

[half hornet]

Small mercies I suppose.

[alpine spindle]

R7D1 is one level you can safely say it’s almost impossible to do solo

[late nebula]

I haven’t done R7D1 in forever 😭 maybe I should go suffer through it again

[alpine spindle]

Just because of the 4 terminal portion

Usually you’ll get far terminal right side or some shit and if you’re solo it’s gonna take at least 45 seconds to run back alone

Far beyond the time limit of 15 seconds

[lyric knot]

Harder than soloing E levels?

[half hornet]

It is effectively impossible unless you roll a 1 / 1000 perfect seed

[alpine spindle]

It’s a much lower number

It’s somewhere between 1/10000 or 1/40000

R2E1 has been soloed

Pretty sure R4E1 and R5E1 has as well?

(With boosters)

Don’t quote me on R4/R5 tho

R7 I can see it being very difficult

If anything though if we say E1 levels are “impossible” to solo, R7D1 is right up there with them

[winter wharf]

I think both r4e1 and r5e1 needed cheese strats of some kind

Long kiting/giant capping and all that

[narrow gulch]

r4e1 main has

secondary hasnt

r7e1 hasnt either

calling kiting and giant capping cheese is also kinda disingenuous

[winter wharf]

Even r4e1 main needs long kiting, I don't recall an e tier being done solo without kiting or enemy capping of some kind

[late nebula]

Random question but does anyone know what’s beyond z76 in training or is it just there for no purpose

[winter wharf]

And yes everyone draws the line at different points, but long kiting does kinda let you ignore most of what the level is trying to do

[narrow gulch]

I mean

if I lump door bug and kiting in the same category of cheese

I Dont think those are even remotely similar for solos

besides, its a solo

youre not doing that shit as intended no matter what

[kind swan]

https://youtu.be/thb2Po6_52M?si=znyv1xx0npe66MF8

Essentially a funny for cheaters

[balmy robin]

To me the solo players are only competing with themselves. They can do whatever fits their own criteria of what is cheese and what is not.
After all, they are the first to appreciate if they should be proud of what they have accomplished.
Now, if any "serious" competition was involved, I am quite sure they would agree on the terms beforehand.
In the meantime, they are free to do whatever they want to have fun :)

[alpine spindle]

I don’t lump them together

So that’s why I didn’t really consider them “cheese”

In this scenario, let’s call cheese something like doorbug where it actually breaks the level

[narrow gulch]

effortlessly breaks it at that

[kind swan]

[velvet linden]

when are devs gonna fix cheese bug... 😔

[alpine spindle]

Ye

And it’s solo too

[kind swan]

I've heard a guy trying to justify blackhopping before.

[alpine spindle]

So R7D1 is up there with E tiers if we set E tiers as the bar of impossible solo

[kind swan]

(He was doing it with unlim Stam though which was the issue)

[alpine spindle]

It’s just simply impossible unless you roll the perfect seed

[velvet linden]

unfortunate typo

[kind swan]

Told us he was a speedrunner so it's allowed :v

Apparently

[alpine spindle]

Who lol

[kind swan]

Was a few months back. trigo?

Or at least he mentioned speedrunning

[velvet linden]

was more referring to the extra 'l' in your message but that do sound like a goofy guy lol

[alpine spindle]

That’s also not how “permissions” are used

And it’s just a tech who says you can can’t use it?

Breh only matters if you submit some shit

[kind swan]

My issue was more so he used it with unlimited stam

[alpine spindle]

LOL

HEROIC HEART

At that point he’s dumb

You’re already at max speed

[velvet linden]

maybe he just has big lungs

[alpine spindle]

But ok

[kind swan]

Like I've seen Void do it

[winter wharf]

They aren't alike, but it does get to the point where above all else the level is a kiting check

[kind swan]

But not with unlimited Stam lol

[winter wharf]

Which isn't the most entertaining or impressive

[alpine spindle]

There’s like no point unless you don’t want to be max stam after breaking

[narrow gulch]

I agree with entertaining but it is fairly impressive

[alpine spindle]

At that point just install run with heavy objects

[narrow gulch]

at the very least figuring out your routing for the level and strat is interesting

[kind swan]

Ah yes. The Chaxi mods

[narrow gulch]

its definitely far more effort than door bug will ever be

[winter wharf]

The consistency and the knowhow, yeah

[narrow gulch]

and considering you cant do them normally

I think its as impressive as its gonna get

[winter wharf]

But the 2 hours of kiting gameplay, dh

[narrow gulch]

so

[winter wharf]

Eh

Yeah that is what ultimately happens, after a certain point stuff gets facilitated by kiting

[kind swan]

[narrow gulch]

I do agree it would be more impressive if you could shoot literally everything with no boosters as if you were playing normally

but thats just not happening

but w/e

diff in opinion

or perspective ig

[winter wharf]

I know

I think we have the same viewpoint, just different expression or opinion

[prisma zodiac]

void
the terminals change after each fail

also lets say you can use only 1 terminal (the closest one on the right) then you still have a 1/10.000 chance at worst for the combo

but as you can reroll indefinetly it can be done after grinding. Issue is you usually spawn cap and perma kite for it

[tough atlas]

I know I'm late but IMHO door bug is just a cheat

You could kite shit around and maybe eventually in some cases do a mistake

With door bug you just can't

You bug the door and nothing goes through it (and you cap the spawn for alarms)

So I agree with you

[tough atlas]

Wait the fuck

Does z76 sometimes spawn differently in r1d1?

[half hornet]

Hm?

What, enemies? Objectives? Random room?

[tough atlas]

no the room

Room D

the tile is weird now and I'm positive it was different

[plush basin]

I think I've heard people commenting on something like this before, no idea if its the same level though

[tough atlas]

Well I've recorded it so

[half hornet]

I played R1D1 a bunch (weirdly enough) and never noticed anything off

What is Z76 exactly?

[tough atlas]

first res zone

from extraction, hold on the left

it's the second res zone of that branch

[half hornet]

Ah, one of the optional side ones?

My squads of greens always do both for extra bullets. Never noticed anything off.

[olive shoal]

For what it’s worth

R7d2 tank zone can spawn differently too

And there was a zone in og r5b2 secondary that could spawn differently too

it’s kinda quirky

[daring pilot]

huh it might not be seeded

I intentionally do that in Occlusion so that zones feel different, but I’ve never heard of an entire zone generating differently

[prisma zodiac]

r7d2 mom zone can aswell

or could, i dont know if it still does so

[alpine spindle]

It can

Did it with Ray's lobby

[prisma zodiac]

also void

cant believe you didnt answer to the r7d1 message

smh

[alpine spindle]

Wuh

[prisma zodiac]

@alpine spindle

[alpine spindle]

Oh lmao never saw this

I forgor

[tough atlas]

In that case I remember it also sometimes spawning an extra zone altogether

Those glitches are very bizzarre and I wonder how they actually happen

[fallow wasp]

Has anyone else experienced snatchers being absolutely goofy? I remember one time during R7D1 when there was one just jumping up and down a tiny ass ledge. Didn’t even attack anyone ever

We beat it to death with hammers and it didn’t fight back

[half hornet]

Granted they are a rare enemy - no, seemed always to work as intended for me

And I don't play D1, so...

Hope they play a bigger role in R8

I saw 0 in R6

Which was dissapointing... Couple of levels could use them as a spice.

[hexed vapor]

I need an opinion.

Would it be funnier to trigger uplink bug, and get the game in situation where the bugged uplink waves spawn max cap enemies on something like R2C1 or R7B2...

Or would it be better to find a level with a really bad room to pull, get it to pull on the checkpoint, and then post for "LFM RXw/e at checkpoint"

I think the latter might be better since you can actually still win, but I'm not sure how many good spots there are for this...

Like, even if I pull tank barracks on R6D3, that's very surviveable.

[half hornet]

I don't get the point.

[hexed vapor]

It's just about getting some entertainment out of my pubs.

See how they react to some wild situations.

Oh shit, R7D1 might be perfect.

[late nebula]

[hexed vapor]

I need to come up w/ a c-foam set-up for it, I think, but you can have two of each boss up, tons of lots of different enemies...

[plush basin]

Stack up as many snatchers as you can too 🙂

[hexed vapor]

I would if not for checkpoint bugging it/cheesing it.

Also, light fog is cringe.

I want to be able to see everything or nothing.

I'm just not sure if I can easily get everything pulled and get to checkpoint w/ relative safety.

I think the strat might be to pull tanks first, pull them into mom zone, and then start foaming behind me.

Ooh, but foam collision...

[late bloom]

what would be diffrent ?

I never noticed anything off

[hexed vapor]

Most of the datacenter tiles are heavily marker-defined.

Early bits of C can use very different structures, and B can sometimes be the R3A3 reactor hallway-esque marker instead of the glass wall maze.

Btw, that sort of marker can be so many different things I'm pretty sure.

Hole in the floor that you go around, long low-flung hallway, the server stack maze that you can parkour over, massive pit that you go over, aimless cluster of hallways, opposite ledges, etc.

It's a more extreme version of refinery where almost every datacenter tile has a room that includes one of those big structure-defining markers that you'd think is inherent to the tile but can end up almost anywhere.

Something like dig site is on the opposite end of the spectrum, ofc.

Places you go feel recognizable because they are the same tile, rather than having similar markers, because the tiles themselves are all very distinctive and most of the bigger rooms are not defined predominantly by markers.

All of this is to say that Storage is the best environment.

Lab is decent, as well.

Floodways and Gardens I'd have to contemplate on.

[astral ferry]

the main problems with gardens is that i feel like most of the tiles don't play that well

lots of verticality and tons of visual clutter
and then you have floodways which is just mostly empty space

[lyric knot]

Is gardens the rundown 7 D1 starting area?

[half hornet]

Yes. It's an R7 exclusive biome.

R7B1...
R7D1...
Literally thats it?

[lyric knot]

I love that biome, wish I could have played more levels with it

I wouldn't mind a full level on the sand map too

[half hornet]

R8 got dem big shoes to fill

[lyric knot]

R8 is gonna be good no matter what, its been so long since new content was added.

Hopefully they introduce a randomized level with randomized objectives, or maybe weekly challenge levels. Something to keep people playing after they beat all the levels.

[hexed vapor]

Half of the funnel for the second-to-last alarm in R7B1 being in the same room as you is kind of wild.

[daring pilot]

That’s what modding is for lol

we have that as a mod already

[solemn wigeon]

[late bloom]

and since those mods are super fun but super cursed they wont add it to vanilla

you can't balance around random tiles etc.

it gets fucked up very fast

[daring pilot]

yeah that's why I'm saying just use GTFR

it's super easy and super fun, especially when you combine it with modded rundowns

5 pablo room plus pablo error is a whole new level of cursed

[west crow]

More of the unkillable enemy 😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😂😂

[weary spruce]

if you put enough unkillable enemies together they eventually become killable
A critical mass of pablos eventually will implode the game

[daring pilot]

it was very special to have a 2 birther blood door in pitch black with a pablo on our tail, and then out of nowhere a scout went off and spawned a ton of flyers

truly one of the mods of all time

thank you jish

[west crow]

That gimmick runs real old very fast

[late bloom]

a pmom birthing pmoms was the most cursed i have seen

[olive shoal]

last time i played it it was just pouncer spam

not very fun

think gtfr's golden age was before that

where it was fucked up but still doable

and the tiles made it fun

[daring pilot]

honestly rolling for good seeds took up a lot of time

But getting them was worth it

[west crow]

Seeding randomizer???

[idle nacelle]

isnt that more of a benefit than anything else?

[cosmic quail]

Roof terminal

[idle nacelle]

aside from the fact that you will NEVER stealth through a room again

and your game will start lagging so hard you might not be able to play it

[deft kiln]

it will be fixed at some point between now and the head death of the universe

dw babe snatchers will be reudeced to less than 5

[west crow]

@deft kiln https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1067276125081976862/1149467557527552150/Screenshot_20230907_181334_Discord.jpg?ex=654d5995&is=653ae495&hm=d0b4aa3b2542e83b5d7aae9996e1fe55457a4859c8ffbf76f07b6ed4e7e43ddc&

[deft kiln]

mind blown

[late bloom]

yeah that is kinda fucked and dumb

[late bloom]

game will crash fast

[idle nacelle]

yeah I wonder if it would live through the first birth or not

[hexed vapor]

I've found ways to optimize the setup

[hexed vapor]

The ladder foam is insanely good on babies

But, it doesn't last between checkpoints.

Also, your slots can bug if you have people joining during checkpoint resets.

It seems like the play is to get the ladder foam set, post to LFG, and then checkpoint before you get people into your lobby.

You should hopefully be able to get a 4-stack within the 3-5 minutes before your ladder stack gets free.

It seems like enemies sometimes have trouble pathing to you in general, but they do eventually get free, which tends to lead to amusing mini-waves of enemies.

Although after a while they tend to all slam into you at once.

Close whatever you can on your PC to delay crashing for as long as possible.

I will also affirm that this is the ultimate checkpoint to use for this.

Getting there is pretty simple, as well.

Use bots to get through class IV during error, then remove bots and kite back and forth to override class X, start class X, and then deactivate alarms.

After you've cleared everything and finished the remaining scans, you start stealth zones (which conveniently gives you a checkpoint for if you fuck up the ladder stack) and get things ready to go.

It is quite a hard encounter for pubs, though, assuming you want to actually clear it.

2x mom + 2x tank + a fuckton of enemies is a lot.

[mellow creek]

wen r8

[marsh tinsel]

December 11 (unofficial)

[lyric knot]

Did they change rundown 6 in the alt version? Wasn't DX a thing?

[solemn wigeon]

The extension level names were changed from B->A, C->B etc

[lyric knot]

Ah so they were just raised a tier

[solemn wigeon]

They are still the same levels as before so don't trust AX to be an A tier level

[lyric knot]

I've already done AX and BX, gonna try CX tonight.

Any tool recommendations?

Without spoilers

Playing with 2 bots

[half hornet]

You're dead.

The level is your standard "do alarm to progress" level for 90% of it.
Then the finale happens and bots completely fall apart because they don't understand layout of the level and will realibly get stuck somewhere, so you will have to kick them and play the rest of the level by yourself (your chances are not great).

Tools: the classic one of each will suffice, but mine deployer is kinda useless during the finale portion, which is the portion that gets everyone.

A rare opportunity to unironically bring HEL Sentry

[lyric knot]

I'm guessing its the moving alarm then?

[half hornet]

Not quite

But moving is involved, yes.

[lyric knot]

Well I'm used to failure on gtfo so whats the worst that could happen?

[frail horizon]

its pretty bad

[half hornet]

Tell us how many frames you will have

A classic, that one

[lyric knot]

I wish there was a counter beside each level showing how many times I've failed

R5E1 would be at 100 by now

[fresh bronze]

Me plays r7c3 as a warmup consistently for almost a year now would easily have me in the hundreds

[frail horizon]

funny that the rundown that introduced bots also introduced anti-bot levels

[fresh bronze]

Never go in to beat the level just to do a 5 minute warmup meleein some giants

[lyric knot]

Try r7c3 melee segment with knife only solo no foam tripmines

The true test of skill

[solemn wigeon]

The bots weren't meant to replace players though. They were (iirc) meant to mitigate not having a full team

[daring pilot]

this

don't expect bots to carry or even be on player skill level

just have fun with them (and down them on extract

[frail horizon]

well they still do a bad job of mitigating

to the point where you could lose a run to something you otherwise wouldn't have if you had an empty slot instead of a bot

[daring pilot]

yes

that's what happens when you replace a human with a cimputer

specifically a computer that shouldn't be able to carry

[solemn wigeon]

Sorry that the bots aren't stockfish

[frail horizon]

but they shouldn't be an active detriment

[solemn wigeon]

I wouldn't call it active, its definitely passive

[frail horizon]

let me see if i can find the video of hackett running out of the team scan and completely halting our progress

[lyric knot]

If they could just pickup objective items in combat, they would be good enough.

And if they wouldn't melee charger waves when they have full ammo

[frail horizon]

precisely

you can fix these issues and still not have the bots carry

plus things like shooting you

[daring pilot]

yeah those two things are annoying, definitely

that shooting I get

[frail horizon]

that one's got me killed plenty of times

[daring pilot]

i mean you shoot your teammates unintentionally too

[lyric knot]

Yeah id love to give them better guns but they would just kill me

[daring pilot]

it's just acccidents lmao

don't give them super high damaging guns

[frail horizon]

we cant even play r5e1 because of it

[lyric knot]

I used to give them the scatter gun in r6, and oh boy was that a mistake

[daring pilot]

....and?

it's R5E1?

[cosmic quail]

Lmaoooo

[frail horizon]

I'd like to play r5e1?

[daring pilot]

ok get a squad lmao

[frail horizon]

but then it feels like a carry

because its too much easier

[daring pilot]

bots not shooting you will not help you beat R5E1

[frail horizon]

bots not shooting me will allow me to get past the first alarm at least

[daring pilot]

what

are you playing with only bots?

[frail horizon]

huh

[cosmic quail]

Lmaoooo

[frail horizon]

2 bots

[daring pilot]

and wtf kind of weapons did you give them

[cosmic quail]

Scatr

:D

[frail horizon]

any weapon that deals damage?

[icy basalt]

then it shoumd be much easier

[icy basalt]

if they are vanilla bots that go into melee then good luck

[lyric knot]

I give them burst rifle and machine gun

[frail horizon]

they're actually good at meleeing big guys with help

[solemn wigeon]

Have you considered playing the game as intended with a 4man

[icy basalt]

no i mean during combat

[daring pilot]

I have never had issues with bots shooting me except for when I give them shotguns and that one time I tried betterbots

[frail horizon]

its when youre at 100% infection 1% health and are meleeing a big guy

and they decide not to

[icy basalt]

if u are 2 people then why are you having trouble

[frail horizon]

because its still 2 bots..?

[daring pilot]

so you don't want to get "carried" by people but you're more than happy to have bots who can't get infected safely help you take down a giant...?

[icy basalt]

u can take turns on the giant wym its 2 bots

[frail horizon]

they take down something

and its not the giant

[lyric knot]

2 people can kill q giant before it can react

[frail horizon]

because we're up in the giants face getting melees

[icy basalt]

literally just take tuns on the giant its not that hard

[frail horizon]

and the bots are behind us

[daring pilot]

this

[frail horizon]

shooting the giant

[frail horizon]

we do

and that doesn't work if one goes down

because now we're taking turns except this guy is down and he's charging his tongue

[icy basalt]

just install better bots and turn off accurracy

[lyric knot]

#1 gamer advice: Get gud.

[icy basalt]

save urself the hassle

[frail horizon]

thats cheating

[icy basalt]

sure

[frail horizon]

how about the devs just fix the giant issues with the bots and we can all be happy

[solemn wigeon]

Literally cheating

[icy basalt]

have fun with that

[icy basalt]

reading is hard

[daring pilot]

actually they did make the betterbots accuracy toggleable

[frail horizon]

i will when they fix it in the r8 patch

because i believe

[daring pilot]

which I'm excited to try out

[icy basalt]

since r7 release they havent fixed em
LMAO

[daring pilot]

because now all they'll do is shoot more and also pick up heavy items

[daring pilot]

Alt R1 actually but yeah

[solemn wigeon]

I'll just download way i like it while I'm at it

[daring pilot]

R7 they wouldn't take heavy items up lafdders

[icy basalt]

no r7 release when they started going melee in combat

[frail horizon]

those are ALTspeditions though

[icy basalt]

they made bots shove

so now they default to it every time

[daring pilot]

tbh I just kite with them unless chargers

then uhhh

if it is chargers

i die

[frail horizon]

my point exactly

[daring pilot]

or I just shoot the chargers

[icy basalt]

all of ur trouble will go away if u just install bb and turn off the accuracy

[daring pilot]

tbf I've been able to get decently far through my custom rundown with vanilla bots

[icy basalt]

but thats still cheating

[daring pilot]

yes

and yes

[frail horizon]

im not installing a third party modification to make the game easier

[icy basalt]

ok clown

[frail horizon]

that is textbook definition of cheating

[daring pilot]

ok then idk why you are complaining

they'll either fix it or they won't

they know it exists

they know it's annoying af

we've presented a solution, and you don't want to use it because you think it's cheating, which is understandable

so find a 4 stack man

.t lfg

[jaunty hedge]

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[frail horizon]

i do lfg

thats the solution

but its not as satisfying

[daring pilot]

[lyric knot]

If you play with mods you don't get completion marks

And last time I tried better bots it bugged the whole game and my bots only had sledgehammers

[narrow gulch]

You do get completions unfortunately

[half hornet]

The technical issues is a major reason I'm scared to mod. All this effort and then it also starts breaking even more? Vanilla is buggy enough as it is.

[lyric knot]

Really? I was playing solo trials
with the thunderstore mod manager and it wasn't giving me completion marks on any of the levels.

[winter wharf]

oh for custom rundowns? I think you need a mod to locally store your completions data

[narrow gulch]

Ye

[winter wharf]

for vanilla it's all done on the backend, but obviously that doesn't work for missions which don't exist

[lyric knot]

That makes sense

[daring pilot]

Yeah you need to use LocalProgression

Or just take a screenshot

[lyric knot]

Screenshots seem kind of ghetto

[daring pilot]

bruh don’t you ever take a screenshot of the completion screen?

There are like a billion completion screenshots in media

[lyric knot]

I do take screenshots of completions sometimes but I never really look at them and rather have it in the game

Plus I'm less impressed by my screenshots when I see that it took 3 hours on some levels

[pliant shard]

That’s the @quiet stone cat!

[west crow]

Holy shit its michal

[kind swan]

that is only if you use MTFO. even then. Local progression mod exists.

even then. within the server at least or not to be seen as cheating. you shouldn't be using MTFO dependent mods

[fresh bronze]

Me and my duo buddy started playing with zombified initiative just so bots dont pick up resources and it has made playing as a duo 10x more enjoyable without really making the game any easier beyond the fact we can actually control the resources properly

[granite owl]

eh what is up with R5C2 secondary wave 6, like some runs we get a mom some runs is like error wave or something and they are spawning within the last terminal zone

shits fucked

[eternal dragon]

Stuck enemies

[granite owl]

yeah its annoying

that run for some reason the charger scout behind the class 4 wasnt like around as well

cldnt hear it or ping it

[eternal dragon]

It was prolly deep in. It’s a big tile.

[tough atlas]

For the record: Better bots new version has an option to turn off aimbot. I DID NOT TRY THE NEW VERSION, but if it works like I think it does I'd say it'd be viable.

Afterall it'd be vanilla bots+ability to carry items during alarm (which was in vanilla before alt r1 IIRC)+maybe less shit logic so they dont try to hammer charger waves and decide to shoot a bit more often (not better, just more often)

[royal lichen]

newest version defaults to non-augmented aim. gotta turn it back on to have it.

[frail horizon]

iirc wasnt there another thing besides shooting that made them overpowered?

[half hornet]

What else could there be? AFAIK everything else is considered QoL to their behavior.
Its only becoming walking Sniper Sentries that people had an issue with.

I think i've seen one in action at some point... The guy just casually double tapped a sleeper with a HELRev. Headshot > Bodyshot, in 2 seconds.

[fresh bronze]

"Bots will do more evasive manuvers and use their guns more often in a horde of monsters" If the config allows you to disable the use their guns more often part then its basically what beepo said its also the reason why I dont even try the lower versions of the mod

it doesnt sound like much but they are really fucking aggressive compared to the original bots

let me check real quick and see how good the config is and ill get back to ya

Nah the better aim is the only config option

so ima still pass on the mod and stick to zombified initiative just disabling bots ability to pickup anything

[royal lichen]

hopefully that q menu stuff works, the rabbit hole was deeeeep..

[fresh bronze]

I dont use it personally, i know it could be useful but one one hand im to lazy and on another hand id rather bots just carry nothing anyways

[kind swan]

Bot Woods, Bot Dauda, Bot Hackett, and Bot Bishop will remember that.

[fresh bronze]

They should remember what happened last time they gave me medipack against my will

[kind swan]

You needed healing

[fresh bronze]

so did they after i killed them

[kind swan]

reported for killing bots.

[fresh bronze]

Not my fault they cant learn my attack patterns

[glossy crescent]

me constantly scatterguning Bishop because he keps getting on my way

[mellow creek]

my dead grandma just wokeup to ask me

wen r8

[graceful ermine]

Has there been anyone who took the time to actually kill Pablo?

Like it is theoretically possible right?

[velvet linden]

it is, but it would take around 999999900 hits i think

[half hornet]

It is, but it would take ~8 million scattergun shots. Good luck with that.

[graceful ermine]

I remember hearing 1 billion effective HP

I believe it

[half hornet]

Yeah, that's what wiki claims

[graceful ermine]

He’s a tanky boy

[nocturne flax]

that health + a 999999% damage resist

due to armor

[graceful ermine]

So if someone wants to attempt a Pablo kill, they might need to pack a couple sandwiches

Is it possible to kill tanks without touching the tumors?

If so is it as silly tough as Pablo?

[half hornet]

I would assume so, but again - why would you

Its like Team Fortress 2 sticky

[graceful ermine]

Good question with a fascinating answer, curiosity

[half hornet]

That thing actually uses repurposed code for the grenades, and as such - still uses the timer feature... Except its set to some stupidly high number that effectively means that you'll be waiting until the heat death of the universe.

Developers do these things for a reason. (They don't want to make a custom code, so they just use stupid high numbers to achieve the desired effect).

[graceful ermine]

Oh yeah it remember that video

[half hornet]

I guess you could try modding the game so that your gun also dealt approx a billion damage per shot and try doing it that way. Should take a mag or two.

But at that point might as well just... mod the guy to have striker HP.

[graceful ermine]

I know that’s a possibility, I’m just curious about obscure game mechanics basically

[obtuse surge]

oh no i missed the halloween mask that i would have never used

[kind swan]

Oh NO

[winter wharf]

your gtfo account will now sell for $200 less

[rocky lotus]

ill be honest R1 C2 makes me want to commit die. my squad of 4 just spent 4 hours trying to clear it, this being our THIRD run and we died trying to open the extraction door.

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

this game makes me want to hurt other people

[hexed vapor]

Gotto get faster and more consistent.

[long marsh]

did it first time somehow, everyone except me died on extraction alarm, still managed to extract, so gl

[timber magnet]

[prisma zodiac]

4 hours

[cosmic quail]

Yo what

[tough atlas]

You're doing something either wrong or way too slow

[kind swan]

[fresh bronze]

atleast he has a valid opinion of r1c2 being cringe because shooters are cringe

oh wait im thinking of b2

nevermind

[kind swan]

[half hornet]

On R2D1 is there any reason to preemptively insert cells into gen cluster?

[kind swan]

Not that I can recall.

[half hornet]

lame

[kind swan]

But just don't insert final cell until ready

[half hornet]

I'll do it anyway

[kind swan]

(Had a friend need help on that level and then he put last cell in as someone went afk and we hadn't even opened disinfect zone yet)

(At that point in time. I was rushing to get a clear because he hit me up last minute before I got offline)

[prisma zodiac]

huh

i mean yes? fog lowers?

just dont input the last cell

[kind swan]

Does it?

I thought that was for R2B2?

Or am I misremembering

[prisma zodiac]

do you mean r3a2?

r2b2 doesnt have a gen cluster

[kind swan]

I am misremembering af

I only recall there being a gen cluster early on but easier than R2D1

[half hornet]

Huh, It does lowers it, every so slightly.

[kind swan]

According to the wiki. R2B2 is just called "distribute power cells"

[prisma zodiac]

yes

it has 4 generators you need to input cells for

[kind swan]

My.memory is so fucked rn

[half hornet]

Separate generators, not a cluster.

Just random ass solo gens

[kind swan]

Ik (now at least)

I was playing lethal company til midnight with Lurker and Gerz

I'm slogged rn

[kind swan]

(For reference on how bad(good) my memory is. I had a these edibles ain't shit moment. Did OG R6A1. And I was thinking of old rundowns and tiles as I saw them and thought I was playing with the exact people I played with back then. Only to snap back to reality every few seconds that I'm pubbing R6A1.))

unfortunately work calls for me now.

[late nebula]

[runic mauve]

so when i was playing it last night, bud told us that r5b3 secondary is bugged and you're only supposed to see 2 tanks or something, i'm curious what the evidence for that is?

[narrow gulch]

Scan used to be shorter

[runic mauve]

how'd it work in original where they said it was also bugged

[narrow gulch]

It used to be 100 seconds I think

Its 300 rn

Nothing else is different

It's just a tank error while scan is going

Dunno what they think is bugged

[prisma zodiac]

old one you would see 1 iirc unless you had someone down

new one has 3 minimum

[narrow gulch]

It was 1 from blood door and 1 from error before right?

Or did you not see error with perfect scan progress

[runic mauve]

if timers were the same, then tank timer is 120 before start

so yeah scan would be done before one spawned

and yeah to me that doesn't sound like a bug, that sounds like a change lol

[narrow gulch]

Makes sense

[hexed vapor]

The punishment wave is now unavoidable, and also the downtime is painful compared to OG.

[narrow gulch]

It's very boring ye

[hexed vapor]

Two full minutes after you've already killed everything is ZZZzzzz

[prisma zodiac]

B3 went from one of my favs in R5 to one of my least favourite

[hexed vapor]

^ but also due to unrelated stuff.

The level structure is a bit eh to play through.

[runic mauve]

yeah that's fair
and like as far as the level itself goes that's fine lol
personally all i cared about was whether or not it was a bug as they claimed

[hexed vapor]

Fog + lots of giants and such

[narrow gulch]

It's close to a really good level

It's e tier one might say....

[tough atlas]

To me that's the whole map after error tbh

It's a thought I've had with r3d1 too

remove the two alarms after you turn off the error

and the map's exactly the same as before imho

I simply cant see anyone dying on those alarms provided that they survived the error beforehand

Might be especially since r3d1 gives so much ammo

[prisma zodiac]

@vocal geode still trying yes

we got to wave 4 but choked

[vocal geode]

dang, rough

[west crow]

Choke mod

[daring pilot]

F

[kind swan]

[lyric knot]

I beat r6cx with 2 bots, it wasn't as hard as yall were telling me. I definitely am struggling on c3, d2 and d3 more.

[half hornet]

You got lucky then

My bots went full stupid and couldn't find their way to the scans

In fact their AI broke so hard - that sleepers got confused by their maneuvers too and they played a game of AI cat and mouse that went on for solid minutes

Apparently ladders are just cursed

[lyric knot]

I was playing duo with one bot following each of us so that may have helped

[cosmic quail]

Fun times

[kind swan]

R6CX back in OG started out with flyers dealing double damage.

But otherwise it's not that bad.

The bots would probably have better accuracy on average shooting flyers

[pseudo lily]

better than me, on average shooting fliers

[nocturne flax]

Bots are pretty good on that level

they always land theyre shots so theyll do most of the flyer killing

[fresh bronze]

average bot experience

[hexed vapor]

Does anyone know why the R7D1 waves would delete themselves if you stack too many of them?

[nocturne flax]

Because its a big level with a lot of things going on

[deft kiln]

wait really?

[hexed vapor]

Operation checkpoint hell has failed.

[deft kiln]

ray what if we have a mod that can checkpoint you anywhere

so we can make any level checkpoint hell

based? or not

[hexed vapor]

It's too cheaty, unfort.

Although I would love to use it.

Legit setups only 😦

[deft kiln]

r7d2 has a good checkpoint hell

[kind swan]

Mod disabling door cheese

[royal lichen]

later it might even work as client, cant test yet

[lyric knot]

Why cant I put cfoam on my teammates to make them tank more hits?

[icy basalt]

went wrong (sexual)

[late nebula]

Take more hits but you can’t move 😆

[lyric knot]

R5C2 overload, load up your team with cfoam and stand your ground. That would be hilarious.

Maybe I'd be able to beat it that way

[distant bramble]

is it true about u cant do anything against the immortal enemy?

[winter wharf]

You can do plenty of things, like abuse the ai pathfinding, walk him around the neighbourhood, give him a little treat, and stick him behind doors!

[fresh bronze]

Gtfo but checkpoint bugs happen without ever loading the checkpoint

[half hornet]

You can't kill him, but you can get him away from the squad. Usually people have a dedicated babysitter who gets his attention and then leads him away and kites him around some corner for like... 10 minutes.

[late nebula]

Me when I get him stuck behind a glass wall:

[fresh bronze]

pablo is a bit of a bitch

we need a sleeping pablo

accidentally wake him up and its just a permanent debuff to the rest of your run

[half hornet]

(people will just restart the level)

(unless he's in the literal last room of a 40+ minute run)

[fresh bronze]

Would obv be a end of the run type of thing in a d or e tier map

would be pretty funny to be like 5 minutes off from finishing the run and your goofy ass not payin attention while stealthing waking up fuckin pablo

[half hornet]

Honestly the only issues with pablo is that there's only 1 of him

Combine 2 or 3 of them together and we might have an issues

[fresh bronze]

honestly its generally a problem for boss type enemies anyways

dealing with 1 tank, or one mom isnt that big of a deal unless you let momma escape in which case uh oh

[winter wharf]

my brother, brazil skip is right there

[idle nacelle]

honestly multiple tanks is not that bad esp if you can keep them grouped up

[fresh bronze]

multiple tanks is tuesday, multiple moms is hell

need a level that actually has multiple moms in a single room

[winter wharf]

we have one

and one that has a chance for something close enough

r4e1 zone 513, and r7e1 second respawn zone

[fresh bronze]

Gotcha would love to see it more but there isnt many cases i can think of with double tanks either

[winter wharf]

double tanks you have r7e1 blood door and r6d3 I think

maybe also r5d2 ending if you count that

[fresh bronze]

yeah i knew of r7e1 hell you might even count r7e1 as triple tanks since pablo is there

[hexed vapor]

An update to this, at least two doors in R7D1 have StopEnemyWaves events associated with them.

[silent kettle]

Good ol pachi forgetting r4d1

[hexed vapor]

For some reason.

[fresh bronze]

average r7d1 experience

man i wish i recorded my time playing that map so i could have a 30 minute montage of the game freaking the fuck out

[winter wharf]

Eh I forget about things a lot

[pseudo lily]

a timeline where r7d1 is playable, no bugs or poor optimizations, but then you realize it was an elaborate dream sequence had by dauda

[winter wharf]

Also I am NOT old

[hexed vapor]

R7D1 with no bugs just isn't the same, though.

It's just not quite as "GTFO" if it functions correctly.

[winter wharf]

This is why the lighting will never be fixed

[hexed vapor]

Exactly.

Dropping to 30 FPS on the terminal init sections is integral to the gameplay experience.

[winter wharf]

Why do you have to take a baby for an MOT anyway

Why is the machine at the end uterus shaped

[pseudo lily]

can’t wait for more balanced g a r d e n s levels in r8

[hexed vapor]

Also...

Mom on init failure is real.

I do not understand how anybody managed to get it, though, because it's extremely rare with how the game works rn.

You need sufficiently low miniboss heat, and then you need to actually roll for it to spawn.

[deft kiln]

no way

it is real?

[hexed vapor]

It is real.

[pseudo lily]

i’ve had a mom show up

[deft kiln]

i thought these people were just insane

[hexed vapor]

But I was not able to get it after like 10 repeats with cconsole.

[late nebula]

She wants her neonate back

[hexed vapor]

How do you do it.

Was it insane luck, or was the run fucked, or were you hardstuck checkpoint for 5 hours, or...?

[hexed vapor]

I don't think there's a good way to force it, either.

I'm fairly sure that every set of alarms you could do leading up to it has chances for minibosses, and then the wave itself can roll minibosses to fuck your heat before you get the penalty wave (which is only 12 chances itself).

[deft kiln]

what is the lowest chance of miniboss

is it 0

[hexed vapor]

I have to check the equation...

Yes, it can be blocked from spawning

If it was spawned too recently.

/too much

[deft kiln]

okay lets just find the range of possiblity

maybe it isnt as rare as i think

[pseudo lily]

it was og r7 years ago. i remember we used a checkpoint, and on a blind playthrough so we failed at first and then were like why’s there’s babies?

[deft kiln]

because the full wave might just force you to not get mini boss spawns

to fix it

[deft kiln]

first fail spawns babies

[pseudo lily]

ah that’s it then my b

[deft kiln]

that is all it suppost to spawn

mom is cool unqie enemy

[pseudo lily]

they don’t call it mother for no reason

[hexed vapor]

The problem is that you need the full wave not to roll it, and the penalty wave to roll it.

I guess if we pretended it was guaranteed to spawn when it could, it depends on the ratio of the number of wave enemies to the number of babies spawned (12)

[surreal rivet]

Huh, I just noticed there's a branch on Steamdb called "press" and another one "press-bh". Not suspicious at all 👁️

[half hornet]

Black Hole?

[royal lichen]

bug hunt?

[balmy robin]

In the past (before the Alt:// Rundowns era), 10CC has released various builds to the press and influencers ahead of the official release of a Rundown

Containing only a couple expeditions, it was meant to promote the upcoming release

Of course, the recipient were under NDA

[kind swan]

[surreal rivet]

Poggerz

[tough atlas]

For bughunting I see why, but for press/influencers?

"Guise this new rundown it's so cool! Cant tell you why."

But I guess stuff like that IGN run of Alpha would qualify as press

[balmy robin]

This is quite common with game development studios

[tough atlas]

Still that run was filmed so I dont think it was under NDA

[balmy robin]

They will actively send unreleased version of their game to influencers or the press, to give them time to create content about it

Usually ahead of time

Whenever a build is released to a "public" though, an internal build with the same content (but access to a dev console to debug or troubleshoot) makes sense

[mossy yoke]

What Cho said. It's called a media embargo and NDA's where they get access to early content so they can write articles, etc then post it when a studio says so. Usually when we have important builds. we set aside a Dev or Tester/BH build with dev tools so that if there's an issue, we can hop to the dev build an try it ourselves with dev tools.

[winter wharf]

"Oh so it's fine when the devs cheat but when I do it, I get banned from the server? Ridiculous."

[balmy robin]

When you want to replicate a bug at the very far end of a level, being able to clip through walls and get there in a few seconds can be very handy

[velvet linden]

noob

[mossy yoke]

It's the only way I can see what's behind the door in Training 😄

[kind swan]

has colored name

Random player in pub who has Modlist.
"OH I don't play with cheaters"

My guy. You can literally SEE which mods I have on.

[late nebula]

Pubs experience can be wild

[balmy robin]

I have to admit I love the idea behind that mod which exposes the whole list of mods everyone choses to enable.
Correct me if I am wrong, but as I understand, it only works both ways. Meaning that if you are transparent about the mods you use, you will know what the others use as well ?

If that is the case, making it all transparent provides a much healthier place

[kind swan]

To my knowledge. Many people run "Perfect boosters"
Mod list is a dependency for it to function

So no matter what. If you run perfect boosters. People will see your mod list

[late nebula]

Never understood why people need perfect boosters but to each their own, I never mind it

[balmy robin]

Same person behind both mods ?

[kind swan]

But I've yet to test if it's just thunderstore mods / mod manager detection

[narrow gulch]

lot of ppl run it and just dont use boosters

[kind swan]

I believe so.

[balmy robin]

In any case, my own opinion is that transparency is the way to go, when it comes to mods

[deft kiln]

i dont like stam i am gonna mod it out of the game

[balmy robin]

As long as everyone is on the same state of mind, they can enjoy their game more

[kind swan]

Most people abuse it. Some use it because boosters don't go away/don't use the "cheating" perfect ones like the aggressive infection

[deft kiln]

all my pubs

[kind swan]

You can get a vanilla aggressive infection res 99% but
Perfect boosters aggressive infect res. 99% is actually 100%

[balmy robin]

To me this is perfectly fine, in a private lobby with people agreeing with it. In a public lobby though, especially without prior warning to the others ? Get out of here

[deft kiln]

is it fine that a pub spawns a mom on me then my mod auto kicks him

should i get him to agree to the auto kick

[kind swan]

I don't like gun designs so I changed them cosmetically. But people will still freak out because my gun looks different "cosmetically"

[balmy robin]

You liked "Star Wars" ? Then welcome to "Mod Wars"

[narrow gulch]

that mod also has the ability to change gun stats

[kind swan]

And you can turn that function off

[narrow gulch]

yeah but how do they know

even modslist doesnt tell you

if youre cheating youre not gonna tell them

[balmy robin]

This is tough, to be honest :(

[narrow gulch]

its a fair assumption imo

[deft kiln]

WOW i cant belive your hel rev has a thermal scope

you are so cool

[balmy robin]

Since you cannot know 100% how much each player decides to alter their own game

[narrow gulch]

I wouldnt leave the lobby over it

but

[balmy robin]

To me transparency is the key here

[deft kiln]

people dont leave the lobby when a guy is literally flying but heaven forbid i walk stealth a room

[balmy robin]

"Here is what I want to go for. Are you ok with it ?"

[alpine spindle]

That 1% doesn't matter tho lol

[narrow gulch]

it matters on r5e1 and thats it

aka

boohoo

[velvet linden]

this kind of thinking is how the 1% get away... smh my head

[late nebula]

Y’all be using crazy mods, I’m just here with chatter reborn and giggle when my character is hacking a lock

[kind swan]

Still Gain the 1% infection slowly and it's something only "perfect boosters" can obtain and leave muted / bold booster slots open

The only other way is to use aggressive and muted

[deft kiln]

replace all games vine boom effect

[kind swan]

To get 100%+ infect res

[alpine spindle]

You don't really see it at all though

[late nebula]

[alpine spindle]

99% can last you hours without seeing even 10%

[kind swan]

Depends how you use it but not wrong

[alpine spindle]

You could fog dive entirety of R2E1 and see no infect

[narrow gulch]

damage indicator and accuracy show :chad:

[deft kiln]

i once saw a guy with 500% special weapon damage (he was kaiser)

[kind swan]

Also a bit late but when I get questioned about it. I tell them I can stream my mods/config files

[narrow gulch]

based

im sure some ppl still wont believe somehow but that is indeed a good solution

[kind swan]

[velvet linden]

crazy player, hope he gets his internet fixed soon, would love to see him back here

[deft kiln]

he is around

hiding

[narrow gulch]

nah

[kind swan]

I got outed as a cheater for colored name more than my weapons lol

[narrow gulch]

someones just impersonating him

surely

[deft kiln]

he could be any one of us

[velvet linden]

hiding in plain sight, perhaps
under the name 'Jish'

[deft kiln]

jish is an alt account we all know this

[balmy robin]

That TF2 video still makes me laugh to this day

[kind swan]

Rip scouts mom

[balmy robin]

He could me you, he could be me !

[kind swan]

[prisma zodiac]

500% speed > 500% special weapon dmg

[late nebula]

Accuracy show is great, and then I have a 40% because of auto sentry 💀

[narrow gulch]

you took auto sentry

theres your problem

[velvet linden]

your fault for bringing auto sentry

[late nebula]

[balmy robin]

Awww shiiii, here we go again

[deft kiln]

auto sentry

is just a waste of a tool slot

[late nebula]

I had a pub where we brought all 4 auto sentries on that mission with only blood doors

[balmy robin]

Now that I have your attention. How to make Auto Sentry great decent ?

[deft kiln]

take away stagger

[balmy robin]

Is it even possible ?

[deft kiln]

not even joking

or just make it snap to targets

like the fucking burst

[late nebula]

Make it like the angry peashooter from pvz

[balmy robin]

HEL (even if it worked properly) is not the solution, in my own opinion

[velvet linden]

guys I think auto sentry needs bio symbiosis

would be a huge buff

[kind swan]

Iirc I saw a mod trying to fix that. But I haven't messed with it

[balmy robin]

But which role would it need to fit in order to make sense in the meta

[velvet linden]

there is no role to fit

remove it

[balmy robin]

I know, it has been discussed heavily yesterday

[kind swan]

[balmy robin]

That is a "sadge" response

[velvet linden]

i mean what roles are there for sentries that burst and sniper don't already fill?

and dont say stagger because we all saw how the autopistol turned out

[kind swan]

sentry with yellow laser

(To my knowledge the locked sentry with yellow laser iirc targets both players and sleepers)

Was a idea but got scrapped

Auto sentry iirc in Daks rundown Occlusion

He made it shoot slower

[balmy robin]

MachineGun style ?

[kind swan]

I'm not sure. I haven't seen it myself

But one of its blaring issues is just burning tool

[late nebula]

Me thinking about that one modded rundown that had a hybrid sentry

[kind swan]

Iirc dak also made Shotgun sentry shoot slower

[balmy robin]

That would make sense, since it tends to shoot at dead target

[kind swan]

So it fired in a like "controlled" way

[balmy robin]

But that is another topic

To me the AutoSentry just does not fit

I might have to agree with @velvet linden here :(

It was introduced in... R4

[velvet linden]

R4

i believe it was in the ext

but i might be misremembering

[balmy robin]

But apart from memes and some Surge alarms (like R4E1 foggy ones), I cannot remember of using them in a great spot

[velvet linden]

it was more appealing when burst was worse lol

but now its basically completely overshadowed

[kind swan]

I think one instance I saw auto sentry used out of specific spots was when someone just put it in the back to stagger sleepers who got too close.

But it's so niche it isn't worth a tool spot

[balmy robin]

[prisma zodiac]

give auto sentry actual accuracy

give it WAY more ammo

[late nebula]

lol I just imagine it having a big freakin ammo box on top

[half hornet]

Or do the opposite - nerf the accuracy so that bullets have spread and not pin point accuracy in one target

[prisma zodiac]

thats just gonna make it ass when put down by itself and not picked up

1 enemy left and it isses

misses*

honestly if possible it would be good to swap the moment it staggered a target

[half hornet]

Or program it to switch target every 3-5 bullets or so

Will have approximately same effect

[prisma zodiac]

staggering giants, never again

[half hornet]

Minus giants...

[prisma zodiac]

im still by the point

combine shotgun and auto sentry

low dmg, many pellets

high stagger

high ammo

aoe stagger

[daring pilot]

what kind of firerate would you give it

[half hornet]

2 bullets a second

[prisma zodiac]

that is something to test

specifically on
1 -striker waves
2- striker waves with giants
3- charger waves
4- bbc

[daring pilot]

hmmm

[fresh bronze]

Had 2 scouts right on top of eachother and went for the scout double kill using scatter gun

would have been funny as fuck but sadly only killed one

[velvet linden]

Skill issue

[kind swan]

Curious

R7D1

Specifically multiple snatcher bug

We ever figure out the underlying cause?

Last I recall it was partly related to desync

[hexed vapor]

Dunno if anyone has dug into specifics.

I thought it was related to whether or not the command being entered pinged to client and back before its events went through for host.

It seems very likely associated with high ping, though.

[hexed vapor]

I guess if it's high ping that does it, it'd be the other way around, actually.

Command going through before the client has been told about it or something.

It could go either way, in that case, but I believe high ping is more likely the cause than low ping.

[fresh bronze]

Alright only the d tier maps of r6, half of r4, and the rest of r5 and pretty much caught up to gtfo gameplay with a few objectives i skipped and need to return to

Prob a good 10 sessions worth of gtfo content for my team

well before r4 and r5 e tier 💀

[torn raft]

I agree

tbh I hate and love the character customization

[fresh bronze]

Majority of palettes and outfits are to dull or dirty to really go well together

[torn raft]

exactly

[fresh bronze]

Few ocassional outfits that you do get which are not only clean but work well with palletes tho they slap

[torn raft]

I'm one of those immersion players so anytime I play GTFO, I customize my character to the original character outfit depending on who I'm playing as

[fresh bronze]

i have prob 80-90% of the drip in the game and there is prob like 2-3 options per category that actually look decent

[torn raft]

nice

[fresh bronze]

not counting old rundown drip

im not a dinosaur like some people here

[torn raft]

I've been playing since the Original Rundown 5

[fresh bronze]

og rundown 6 for me

[torn raft]

ah nice

I joined like in the hottest point in the fire since R5 got extended

[fresh bronze]

altho only got like 5-6 map clears in r6 and really started popping off in the game when my friend picked it up in r7

[torn raft]

which I found out that it was the hardest rundown so far

[torn raft]

nice nice

I tried to get my school friends on when I first got it but they didn't like it

their loss imo

[fresh bronze]

yeah rundown 5 is my least touched rundown

[fresh bronze]

same with all my friends but one

to hard was the main complaint

[torn raft]

I completed R1 andf R3 as of right now

I still need to do R2-E1, half of R4, Most of R5, all of R6, and finish R7E1

I completed the og r6 which it was easy until the end imo

[fresh bronze]

ive messed around in the e tier levels but havent finished them because its rare to get a team of 4 players together for me

[torn raft]

I believe the best times are around noon and maybe weekends

a lot of ppl are on

ik timezones exist but yea

[fresh bronze]

so all of r1 and r3 completed, r2e1, and r7e1 need to be completed, D and E tier in r4, basically most of r5, and r6 is all done except d2,d3,d4 which i kinda got bored on

basically my list

[fresh bronze]

I have a dedicated group so i dont use lfgs

[torn raft]

R6D3 PE was hard as shit as I remember it

[torn raft]

luckyyyyy

[fresh bronze]

its mostly only me and one other dude

[torn raft]

oh

[fresh bronze]

ocassionally we have a third

and rarely we got a full squad

for all levels up to c tier tho bots work fine

d tier they kinda fall off

[torn raft]

I agree

100%

up to c tier, no PE

just main all day with bots atp

[fresh bronze]

for d tier maps we try and have 3 players for e tiers we have messed around with 3 players but wont even bother trying to full clear them

[torn raft]

ah

[fresh bronze]

yeah there are very few levels ive done that ive done main but not done pe

[torn raft]

fair

[fresh bronze]

Not counting rundown 5 ive done the main and only the main for r4c1, r4c2, r7c2, r7c3

after finishing almost all of rundown 7 before alt rundowns where a thing i never really saw a reason to not full clear a map

unless i was feeling tired or lazy near the end of a main and just wanted to call it a night

man i still needa do both those r7 maps but without 4 players for r7c2 that overload is fucking brutal

and r7c3 is also pretty rough to do overload in since bots are not known for there ability to gather resources and generally be useful

[hexed vapor]

I'm starting to wonder if grinding R7D2 is actually an optimal environment for skill prog.

I feel like I've been getting a bit better at the game for every set of 100 clears I've gone through.

Like, there is no other level that offers that degree of pressure that consistently with such a varied mix of threats.

And you have so much fine control over how the level plays, as well.

Like, the scuffed as fuck 2 tank + 2 mom quadruple boss fight on R7D1 is really out of the way to set up.

In R7D2, you just have to open two doors and you're right there.

[kind swan]

[nocturne flax]

Scizho ray moment

[deft kiln]

correct

[chilly prairie]

Villain ark incoming?

[half hornet]

Still no leaks

[prisma zodiac]

[balmy robin]

[kind swan]