gtfo-spoiler-chat

[plush basin]

What's wrong?

[narrow gulch]

Good

Keep it that way

[ornate river]

i mean ive been looking up videos on the web

[west crow]

you should try the hel autopistol

[half hornet]

Yeah, try it. Then never use it again.

[ornate river]

and learned that you can sneak kill 1 and not wake up the other when you are blocking its view

[half hornet]

It's a hilarious weapon.

[narrow gulch]

That is false info

[plush basin]

That misinfo got my team early too

[ornate river]

very strange mechanic but im having alot more breathing space with that tech?

[half hornet]

Wrong information? On da internet? In a video? How could this be

[ornate river]

or is it not real?

[deft kiln]

wrong information

[narrow gulch]

It's not real

[half hornet]

It doesn't sound real to me

[deft kiln]

correct

[narrow gulch]

Long range aggro is a chance

[ornate river]

wait

[half hornet]

Unless these vets are hiding secrets from me

[narrow gulch]

You got lucky

[ornate river]

so let me get this straight

[narrow gulch]

Pure placebo

[ornate river]

one moment

Example: If A and B sleeper is 4m next to each other

and C point is the middle point

[west crow]

that's a very outdated video

on code that wasn't verified to actually work

[ornate river]

so if i move to C and smack any of A or B

[ornate river]

it did work for me

[narrow gulch]

You rolled a 1

[plush basin]

4m is probably a little over the close aggro range

I dont know the actual figure

[ornate river]

they still pulse intensely when i smack A

that is if i sit

and if i stand and smack no respond from B

[west crow]

KAISER ALT

YOU'RE GETTING REPORTED

[narrow gulch]

Yes
Because you got the chance of not aggroing

[west crow]

that's a kaiser alt chill

[half hornet]

Sauce?

[narrow gulch]

It would be more obvious if it was

[ornate river]

who?

[west crow]

he got banned last time he was obvious

[narrow gulch]

Machine learning

[olive shoal]

Love that perk

[ornate river]

i am very confused so am i correct or wrong about the A-B tech?

[winter wharf]

you are not a solid object, you do not block los

for now I'll uh, not say what else I was gonna say

[ornate river]

so its based on chance?

[plush basin]

if they are both dim its not based on chance

if one is glowing it is based on chance and that extends out to atleast 15m or so probably

if everything is dim you can only get close aggro which is purely based on a proximity threshold

[ornate river]

whats the timer when they glow?

[winter wharf]

long range aggro is rng

[west crow]

this is a kaiser alt

[winter wharf]

proximity aggro is not rng

I don't know how many times you need someone to say it but

[plush basin]

idk what timer you mean

[ornate river]

ah

[ornate river]

when they react to you

[olive shoal]

Hi kaiser :D

[winter wharf]

oh yeah this has gotta be kaiser

no way it's badger

[atomic escarp]

i hate to inform you but thats not kaiser

[narrow gulch]

Kaiser was badger all along

[winter wharf]

maybe not but I still don't trust anything you say

[atomic escarp]

we'll get over it together, just hold my hand

[olive shoal]

it is kaiser

:D

[ornate river]

im confused

[winter wharf]

nah you'd call that gay and knowing you, you're probably not too fond of the gays

[olive shoal]

it’ll be ok friend

[half hornet]

Sauce?

[velvet linden]

pesto

yum

[atomic escarp]

quite the opposite

[winter wharf]

what kind of pesto though

[velvet linden]

pesto

yum

[winter wharf]

alright you're getting the green pesto

[velvet linden]

pesto

yum

[west crow]

friend of kaiser says user kaiser is not kaiser

[olive shoal]

world absolutely taken by surprise

[atomic escarp]

u are free to believe

[winter wharf]

I think there's something more surprising in here but eh

[ornate river]

im sorry if im being someone that you know of

but im asking for guides on web is true or not

[olive shoal]

lmao

[atomic escarp]

these people are losing their brain cells

[narrow gulch]

You should watch my guides

👍

[olive shoal]

azert I think you are just

misguided

[ornate river]

oh is it on a page?

[winter wharf]

seconded

[atomic escarp]

probably

[olive shoal]

it’s not speculation that it’s kaiser

It is just kaiser

[atomic escarp]

ask admins for a private interrogation channel and we'll see what we get

[plush basin]

I'm gonna be mad if I wasted my time talking to kaiser

[olive shoal]

don’t need it

[winter wharf]

I mean, how can you meaningfully interrogate someone online anyway

[olive shoal]

he won’t be here for long

[winter wharf]

what are you gonna do? waterboard them?

try get their attention?

[tough atlas]

probably the first non-italian I see that knows about Pesto with almonds and tomatoes

[atomic escarp]

offer fishnets

[atomic escarp]

trust

[half hornet]

I didn't know people hated shlorpman that much

[tough atlas]

That being said, as someone who personally misses Kaiser a bit, since he was friendly and funny to speak with

[winter wharf]

I don't know what the entire range of pesto out there is or what's traditional or not

[tough atlas]

I dont think that new account+cat=Kaiser

[winter wharf]

all I know is my tier list is
Chilli > Red > Green > whatever that coriander and chilli pesto I had was (it was green)

and I'm not fond of large nut pieces in my pesto

[tough atlas]

In Sicily they do it Red, you're very knowledgeable

You win a 🤌

[winter wharf]

I mean, pasta is what I have for lunch most the time because it's cheap, easy, hearty, etc etc

[ornate river]

so what should i prepare for R2E1?

[half hornet]

With bots? To die.

[west crow]

artek this is a kaiser alt

[half hornet]

You're not making it.

[winter wharf]

first of all stop trolling

[ornate river]

its been 10hrs of nonstop straining my eyes

[narrow gulch]

Install better bots

Ez clear

[winter wharf]

second of all lmao imagine asking about long range aggro and then saying you're playing r2e1

[ornate river]

whats that?

[tough atlas]

guy released a new update btw

I didnt test it

supposedly "option to turn aimbot off" was added

[ornate river]

i was told that when i surfed the web for a way to beat R2D1 3 days ago

[half hornet]

It can happen in theory.

[tough atlas]

Someone 2-3 days ago posted about someone having r2e1 unlocked but mentioning never killing a scout

So, yeah

[narrow gulch]

Definitely weren't carried

[atomic escarp]

yes its quite nice being able to use the combat carry stuff

[tough atlas]

bah, how many scouts before getting to r2e1 assuming you do all the maps before?

2 in r1a1, 2 in r1b1, 2 (3 but whatever) in r1b2... 3(4) in r1c2 then 3 in r1d1

12 in r1

[narrow gulch]

R2d2 alone should require you to melee one

Your carry might have time to do all but

[olive shoal]

You’d have to actively avoid doing it

tbh

[narrow gulch]

Yea

[velvet linden]

me fr

[tough atlas]

yeah I guess

unless we count non-melee as kills

still not knowing long aggro mechanics ain't on the same level imho

[olive shoal]

I mean that is a way of killing a scout but I feel like ppl should be able to melee a scout by that point

No it’s definitely not on the same level

[chrome rivet]

Thats why I force new players to kill scouts early on lmao

Or else they just dont do it...ever

[half hornet]

Smack
Snap
ooooooOOOOOO
WAAAAAAARGH

[olive shoal]

@silent kettle

[silent kettle]

@olive shoal

[kind swan]

@silent kettle @olive shoal

[olive shoal]

Rick your scout impression is pretty bad

[silent kettle]

Gerz

[olive shoal]

Rick

[silent kettle]

Waiting for master

releasing drop cage

huff

[olive shoal]

huff

[kind swan]

Waiting for meowster

[daring pilot]

Waiting for meowster

[idle nacelle]

I feel like I play this game too much since without any other context I understood immediately what was being described

but you forgot the echoing of the other 5 scouts in the room

[pseudo lily]

why are wave strikers and shooters a different color

[bleak ruin]

because yes

[half hornet]

ALT R3 A1
Log 7GY-HYP-SDW

"...The dark-skinned variants tend to be more active hunters, suggesting the darker pigmentation is a product of natural selection. They are harder to see and therefore more successful predators. The light skinned breed are still vicious and will attack at the slightest provocation, but they do not seek the prey as actively, they are more disposed to sedentary, almost somnific, behavior..."

[nocturne flax]

The non bullshit answer its for you to differentiate them if one comes from an alarm or not

[hexed vapor]

Team, we think that we have solved scout auto-wake bug.

It has probably been in the game since R1, but requires such specific circumstances that it just never happens in a real game.

R7E1 is the first level to have charger scouts in a respawn room where resources are scarce enough to demotivate dealing with those scouts.

[deft kiln]

@nocturne flax

it isnt related to network or lag at all

[hexed vapor]

It seems like the culprit is how the scout tracks your location to know if it's touched you or not.

When you are in the active range, it tracks your location.

When it becomes inactive, it no longer tracks your location.

However, it doesn't actually forget your location.

So, when it becomes active again, only the targets it picks up on get updated.

This means that the scout can end up touching the spots that it remembers it saw players, since those locations have not been updated.

It just so happens that this is something that almost never happens in normal gameplay.

If you find a scout, you will probably kill it.

If you do leave it alone, you probably aren't coming back.

If you do come back, somebody needs to have been in a position where the scout is likely to reach (so, if a scout becomes inactive by virtue of distance, this just will never happen; must be a door), and that person cannot be the one that comes back.

R7E1 is simply the only level where you are likely to pass all three hurdles, here.

And the hurdles are unique to scouts in exactly one room, the first room of the second respawn zone on the way to reactor.

It's not particularly productive to kill the scouts, since they'll just respawn, charger scouts are not free, both for resource cost and risk, to kill compared to normal scouts, and the room is big enough that it's easy to ignore them. The very next room is a room you want to lock yourself into very quickly (while people are by the door) so that you can shoot any scout that spawns there and avoid scouts running up behind you. Code 4 forces you to return to this location, a location all 4 of you went through, but basically nobody is sending more than 1-2 people back to get that code (2 people will be "remembered" by the scouts without their positions being updated).

It's just the perfect set of circumstances that inadvertently guides players towards producing this issue in a very specific spot.

[deft kiln]

3 more bugs yo find consistent set ups for. Infinite scout scream, spitter crash and interact bug

[winter wharf]

That's actually very interesting, wonder if its possible to brute force it, or wait long enough for it to happen on r5a3 with the respawning scoufs

[deft kiln]

You can make it happen on any level

[hexed vapor]

^ We recreated it on that level and R7C3

[winter wharf]

Or does the respawn not matter

[hexed vapor]

Respawn doesn't matter.

In R7E1, it's just a motivation to leave the scouts alive.

[winter wharf]

OK that's actually kinda baller, paging d0cr3d the only gtfo dev

[deft kiln]

All you need is a door and a second player

[hexed vapor]

If you kill them, even if they respawn, it resets their target list.

[winter wharf]

Right, yeah, it's always first big room scout that goes funny

[deft kiln]

We will ask tru to do it tomorrow

[half hornet]

So kill them to be sure or risk reproducing the bug?

[deft kiln]

That or leave(untested)

[half hornet]

But of course it's not worth it because resources big stinky

[hexed vapor]

Leaving is not a certain fix*

[deft kiln]

Leave door open or all go back

[hexed vapor]

The best solution is to know your stealth players beforehand, and to have them be the only ones by the door when it closes in the small room.

[winter wharf]

Now I am slightly more terrified of the Brazil skip attempts

[half hornet]

I didn't even know this was like a bug that existed.

[deft kiln]

I think all go back to the first respawn room would also do it

[winter wharf]

Biggest obstacle of course still being poor play on my end but

[half hornet]

The idea of scouts screaming randomly is horrifying on itself

[hexed vapor]

This would work.

[winter wharf]

It's a toss-up if the scout is close enough to kill, or if you get 2 in that rokm

[hexed vapor]

Otherwise, the stealth players can force the scout to remember that they were the ones by the door, and everyone else was on the opposite side.

This should mean that when they go back through, the scout will update the stealth player positions, and so there will be no positions near the door.

[winter wharf]

Do we know what happens if you close the door, then open it (3 people), then close it again (4th person)

[hexed vapor]

I'm not sure what you mean exactly, but the person using the door shouldn't matter.

[deft kiln]

If the players are to far away

[balmy robin]

Very interesting read, thank you

[deft kiln]

It doesn’t update the position

[hexed vapor]

It just matters if the scout is active or not, and whether players are in the active range.

[winter wharf]

OK so if it feels too close to the door you're probably boned anyways

[deft kiln]

I think we rename this bug to scout mine or something tho

[winter wharf]

Long range aggro (scout)

[deft kiln]

Something like that could work

Unloaded scout maybe? To get the idea across we know why it happens

[winter wharf]

Delocalised scout scream

Or yeah unloaded would work

[half hornet]

In other words players leave ghosts behind that scouts can touch, as long as its the original scout and ghost belongs to a player who's not currently in the vicinity.

[deft kiln]

Especially cause now we are hunting for a different scout big

The only other time I can see this bug happening

Is when you enter a room don’t kill a scout then an alarm/wave breaks the door down

[half hornet]

Question of the day is: is this something that needs fixing, or is this another "door bug is not reproduced often enough"

[deft kiln]

This matters tbh

It happens enough in r7e1

[hexed vapor]

It only matters in one level in the entire game rn, but it is a very common source of wipes.

[half hornet]

I can imagine

[deft kiln]

If it was r7a1 idk if I would care but

[hexed vapor]

Scout + probably pmom waking up spontaneously in the middle of code 4 is very hard to deal with.

[deft kiln]

R7e1 end of the run is a tad disgusting for it to have happened

[plain saddle]

It should in theory be an easy fix. There's already logic that activates/deactives the scout based on where the players are/if the scout can access them. And there's also logic that updates player positions.

So it should hopefully be relatively easy to force a player position update for all players when the scout becomes active again.

[hexed vapor]

It can disrupt speedruns and challenge runs sometimes, too, I believe.

[half hornet]

Write your findings to Calle, see if they can do something about it.

[deft kiln]

Yeah tbh I think we could patch it

[half hornet]

The easy fix would be to just wipe scout memory I suppose?

[deft kiln]

Or just replace memory to 0 0 0

[half hornet]

Yep

[plain saddle]

Everyone thinks 0 0 0 is a great fix until Funny Level McOrigin has 0 0 0 at the center of a room

[half hornet]

Which will, ironically, delute issues to a room full of scouts near 0 0 0 coordinate

[hexed vapor]

Whatever updates player positions should probably also check to see if any of its targets weren't updated that tick.

[deft kiln]

I understand in current game no issues best play is to just fix it

Properly

[plain saddle]

I think:
on scout become active -> force player position update
is the easiest and doesn't impact anything else that much. scouts becoming active is infrequent enough that it won't affect performance, whereas a forced check in the player position update might

[deft kiln]

Yeah I just don’t know if the players being far away makes the scout unable to get that info for some reason

Maybe some crazy hard coded events

[hexed vapor]

You could work around that, tho.

If it can't get that info, remove the target from the list.

Or set it to a default value.

Not sure how it works rn if it hasn't seen you yet.

[deft kiln]

Must be zero zero? Already right?

[hexed vapor]

Wouldn't be surprising.

[half hornet]

No, wait... What the fuck

Question is WHY scout works this way?

I thought the feelers were just attacks and they just need to touch your hitbox

No hitbox no problem, right?

[hexed vapor]

Tbqh, I think the player hitbox might only be used for friendly fire and maybe shooter projectiles.

[plain saddle]

Yes, but rather than perform an expensive collision check with a hitbox, they just track player positions and check if they get in range of that player position.

Better performance, same result (in pretty much all cases - took potentially 7 rundowns for this to have circumstances for it to happen remotely often)

[hexed vapor]

And it is just an oversight.

[half hornet]

Fair enough I suppose... I didn't know collision checks are expensive.

[hexed vapor]

The position isn't meant to be remembered, it just is, and it happens to basically never cause problems.

That R2D2 clip is genuinely pretty insane.

That is a lottery winner.

[half hornet]

Okay, how quickly the scout stops checking?

When everyone close the door?

[hexed vapor]

2 room distance or if it's cut off by a door.

[half hornet]

What happened there - if I understand correctly - the scout decided to check a doorframe and found itself a ghost inside the neighboring room?

[plain saddle]

Blue was in the doorway and closed the door, so the last position that scout had for blue was in the doorway. Blue then went to the reactor, so when the door was reopened, the scout didn't know about blue and blue's position was never updated. Scout tendrils touch old blue position, scout alerts.

[half hornet]

Scouts are haunted by the ghosts of KSOs long past. What a meme.

[alpine spindle]

At least we know now it's not a tiling issue

[plain saddle]

One last question to test for tomorrow, does it still happen if a player stays in the room the whole time, or does the scout have to become inactive.

[hexed vapor]

^ Thought about this. My intuition is no, since it should stop updating any position when it loses access, but worth checking.

Could have a wacky interaction where it only cares about node distance until it fully loses track of the target or becomes fully inactive.

Something else I just thought of, what's up with tendrils through doors?

Is it still tracking?

[winter wharf]

Now I wonder (if I'm not completely misinterpreting something), if you go into small room in r7e1 and close the door from that side, will you be safe from a scout in big room

Granted you may still be vulnerable to a scout in small room

[hexed vapor]

^ As long as you kill it, you should be safe.

The other problem is that you typically want first door pre-closed so that you can shoot in the small room.

[winter wharf]

For the purposes of Brazil skip...

[hexed vapor]

Which ties back into the perfect circumstances thing, the level very much pushes you to set up the bug.

[prisma zodiac]

Honestly
Brazil skip has like a 90% chance of the zones waking up anyway since chargers

[tough atlas]

Define inactive?

like, all doors closed in the room scout is in and all players outside said room?

Or you need to be far enough?

[tough atlas]

nevermind, read this, thanks

[tough atlas]

I guess this also explains why closing that door "fixes" it

[winter wharf]

True, but it'd still make things harder

What doors would we even have for the way back

[prisma zodiac]

big door in first respawn zone
Big door in bridge zone

thats it at best

But i honestly dont think that we can avoid triggering them unless we somehow spawn cap the reactor wave with foam and have someone sneak in for code and get out in like 1 min

[fresh bronze]

Did first ever run of r2e1 today went in blind and its honestly not to bad, managed to get past the second surge on our third run

poor second run was doomed because we had a bot with bio and no one on thermals making those invis giants fuckin rough

[real moss]

Pings are enough to shoot at tbh. Am curious if your mind changes when you get to the actual hard part

[fresh bronze]

rather stealth the giants and conserve the ammo

[real moss]

Flashlights do the trick tbh.

I never understood people "needing" thermals

[fresh bronze]

the fog wasnt to bad and im not to worried about the error im mostly worried about the surge at the end in the fog during the error

its not a need for thermals its a "I am to lazy to bother spending 20 minutes playing minesweeper with my flashlight"

[real moss]

That's the part I'm talking about. altho not per se "the end"

But y3ah that surge is the one most fail on

[fresh bronze]

i imagine if you play it right and actually use foam correctly it wont be to bad

my solo practice really paying off tho i ended up not getting hit 2nd time doing the first surge

[real moss]

Mines and 2 turrets work as well. And the 2 turrets are better imo for the last surge

[fresh bronze]

we just opted for no bio

[real moss]

NOW that is a terrible decision at that point ditch the foam

It's not really needed anywhere

[fresh bronze]

not a final decision ofc but fog honestly isnt that big of a deal

id rather ditch mines over foam tbh

not much sense in a mine clearing a wave for a new one to spawn in immediatly after

[real moss]

nah the mines give you potential 3 waves gone on the surge you are afraid off

that's potential free alarm

[fresh bronze]

ig if you get lucky with spawns

knowing my luck id have that wave spawn entirely right behind the original wave

[real moss]

Foam is just not very needed and takes too much tool away from the turrets which excel on the last surge

[winter wharf]

Foam is the cheese strategy, and you don't need it

[fresh bronze]

we didnt really have a problem with tool by the last surge

[real moss]

But in the end: whatever works for you

[fresh bronze]

just want consistency

[prisma zodiac]

perma foam makes that surge a sleeper
but that requires you to safe the door and have the foam, which many people just dont i guess

[real moss]

The One outside of the fog?

[fresh bronze]

not permafoaming or ladderfoaming will make that clear

[fresh bronze]

no we cleared the ones outside the fog with not many problems once we got the idea

hybrids on the second surge nearly blindsighted us

[real moss]

the one in the fog is not the last one.....

That's why Icask

[fresh bronze]

gotcha

[prisma zodiac]

the thing with foam is (if you dont ladderfoam)

its rly not worth it for 1st surge
does a little bit for 2nd if lucky
useless for 3rd surge and class 4 alarm
does a decent bit for both error surges (a lot for last since perma foam)

a 2nd sentry usually just is more reliable

[fresh bronze]

havent seen full level yet so they put 4 in there huh

[real moss]

And on the last.... foam is useless unless you very specifically push forward through the surge to close door after launching

[real moss]

5

[mortal portal]

There's like 5

[real moss]

they ditched bio for foam

[fresh bronze]

for the introduction to the alarm

man they do be spamming it

[prisma zodiac]

huh what
no you just clear error (having small door closed and foamed), close both big doors, foaming the further one and start surge

setup is more challenging than surviving alarm after this

[prisma zodiac]

i saw
this is legit just trolling

[fresh bronze]

only done 3 blind attempts at the level, testing out what works and what dont

[real moss]

I get better result by just funneling surge through the small door. 2 turrets, one dude with veruta. you never see an enemy

Last surge is then free for the rest of the team

[prisma zodiac]

you dont get a better result
you get another good result

[fresh bronze]

Havent formed a full strategy yet but 2 turrets and cfoam are def gonna be garunteed picks

[prisma zodiac]

you cant have a better result than not seeing a single enemy due to double foam doors

[real moss]

Mines have better value than foam.

[prisma zodiac]

?

[real moss]

1st surge you blast a wave, 2nd surge you blast 3 potential waves

4th surge you blast 3 potential waves

you can mine doors in end zone

it's so stupid to not take mines

[prisma zodiac]

i think subtonix thinks the wave immediatly pushes respawns and insta pushes

the enemies need to respawn, then start moving and then appear in a line

[real moss]

he'll see the light eventually

[fresh bronze]

it just dont seem worth it to work off potential when cfoam has good stalling power

[prisma zodiac]

"good stalling power"

where

[real moss]

Mines has better stalling power if you take into account nee enemies need to spawn in and make the whole way again towards you

In R2E1 lay out

[prisma zodiac]

1st surge? just move lol, its worth it more to mine that door once alarm is over to preserve ammo if you really want
2nd? rng gonna decide your fate and even then its kinda hit or miss by itself
3rd lol
4th, actually stalls if lucky, minor help if unlucky
5th it can solo but requires setup. And if you already have 2 sentries JUST USE THOSE

also skipping bio wtf

[fresh bronze]

just my pov and from what ive experienced from the runs i put in

¯_(ツ)_/¯

will continue to play and expirement but its what ive been likin thus far

[real moss]

And we gave you our pov after TONS of runs of the level

[fresh bronze]

3 runs isnt tons of runs

[real moss]

But foam is doable. you just make it harder for yourself

[real moss]

I don't have 3 runs 😂

[fresh bronze]

esp since first two runs where losses to unforseens like not knowing of invis

[real moss]

Eva does not have 3 runs

[prisma zodiac]

iirc you also thought mines and bio were super weak back when you joined dunno if i trust your experiments (im kidding, or am i )

[winter wharf]

^^ if you're not permafoaming or ladder foaming, mines have just as much stalling power as foam

[prisma zodiac]

pachi, fml im going into pablo testing rn

[winter wharf]

instead of breaking a door and immediately rushing, the enemies break the door, have to respawn, and then travel further to get to you

gl eva I can't join

[real moss]

Ah good valuable citizen to society I see

[fresh bronze]

Nowadays i consider cfoam to be the weakest tool not counting sentry varients but i do quite like it for the surges

bio opinion was before i knew of bot bio being completely busted on a bot, tho i still consider it to be terrible unless you got a player who really pays attention to it which i aint that kinda guy

[prisma zodiac]

we never talked about bot bio when saying that bio was busted

[fresh bronze]

idk this was like a year ago

[real moss]

Ahxshit here we go again

[prisma zodiac]

altho yea
cfoam is prob the weakest tool if you ignore the sentry variants not called burst sentry

[fresh bronze]

I store convos for a week max

Bio on bot easily best tool tho i aint gonna argue that, and just none of my team or me enjoy actually using bio lmao

[nocturne flax]

dang close but no cigar

[fresh bronze]

honestly nowadays i dont have a opinion on mines, cfoam is decent for scouts and stalling but mines can take an entire wave and is good for blood doors which both save ammo and sentry. cfoam usually can be ignored if you just dont have a skill issue

not very often i see a case for needing to stall over just pure killing power

AKA its better than foam, altho depending on the map having 3 sentries literally makes alarms a piss walk

[frail horizon]

that is the consensus

[fresh bronze]

i mean i kinda figured

my opinion of mines nowadays really just be "it depends" great on r6c3 less great on r2d2 kinda thing

[kind swan]

places mine down and shoots it

[daring pilot]

[fresh bronze]

the best use for a mine

[crude venture]

Is that the guy from r6

[half hornet]

Allegedly

[kind swan]

Yes. It is from R6 Siege server

[kind swan]

why so sus of everything Artek

[crude venture]

What even happened to r6

Does it still exist

[kind swan]

It does.

[half hornet]

It much unfortunately does

From gritty operator simulator it just became another one of those

Like Valorant or something. The league of legends in FPS form.

[hexed vapor]

<@&408548765599793173>

Most channels.

[nocturne flax]

Uuuhjmmm

• Fixed bug where Sentries were unable to aim at Chargers bodies

[deft kiln]

Well

Idk if this changed anything the last time the fixed sentry aim nothing happened

[nocturne flax]

They just be saying shit on the patchnote nowdays

And its not true

Shiiieeeet

[boreal tendon]

guess what

lights are still fucked too

[deft kiln]

Dropping cells not soft locking you is big tho

[pseudo lily]

Almost got softlocked during the error on r2e1 pre patch bc of this

[quiet stone]

Hahah lights are still too bright. Generally an eye sore and even block vision. Unhealth af.

[astral ferry]

patiently waiting for lighting fix in r9

[eternal dragon]

i take everything back

[mossy yoke]

it should aim to the body once the head is destroyed.

[daring pilot]

yeah iirc I was testing turrets and they all shoot for head initially

Some just switch it up later

Still wish shotgun sentries just always went for centermass

[eternal dragon]

dear mc donalds please fix the ice cream machine

[daring pilot]

“Your punishment shall be eternal light”

[quiet stone]

Now fix the awful lighting

[winter wharf]

I miss early access lighting

[boreal tendon]

at least my poster entry is still valid

fucking red sun is still here

[balmy robin]

Would you mind dropping a post under https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/1049599987878723635 with a list of expeditions in which you feel the lighting is excessively bright or eye-straining ?
If possible include the layer (Main, Secondary, Overload) and a couple screenshots if you have them from the current build

I will try to review them if I can escape from work

This is of course for all of you moths out there

🦋

[quiet stone]

all of them

They changed the way light renders in the unity engine for R6. Light falloff is non existent meaning lights are super bright close up and then they just drop off suddenly.

can't even post pictures here smh

[balmy robin]

I know what a "too bright for comfort" light is. But since I do not play older Rundowns much, I would greatly appreciate to know in which Alt:// or R7 expeditions this is felt most annoying.

[quiet stone]

Okay

[boreal tendon]

drop into R1C2, turn left

[quiet stone]

XDDDD

[boreal tendon]

there's your sun

if you are capable enough get to area B

there's your sun

[quiet stone]

in general every light is just too bright

and the light doesn't illuminate far enough

been a problem since R6

[half hornet]

I found a perfectly square blue light in R1A1, there's a screen somewhere still

[balmy robin]

See, already got one. Can you guys post this under https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/1049599987878723635 and amend with the more obviously straining ones ?
If it is causing you discomfort playing the game, and you feel it has not been addressed by the recent update, you should report it this way whenever possible

It helps us relay the information to the development team

[quiet stone]

I've been telling Calle for ages

[deft kiln]

100% sounds good. It is weird how they do rgb values. Any value above 1 tends to be awful to look at

[half hornet]

Found it #gtfo-media message

[deft kiln]

This is sick

[quiet stone]

Just drop into R1C2 and see if you can see 10 feet in-front of you when you reach the red lights

[hexed vapor]

Is this just the old issue of lighting being ass, or is it specifically the new issue?

[deft kiln]

Have we tried adjusting monitor settings

Maybe doc red was on to something

[boreal tendon]

the lightning got trashed at 1.0 release but was never that bad. This shit is like Alt://R6 new

[quiet stone]

Lighting being ass and it seems to have gotten worse recently.

[hexed vapor]

Yeah, but I'm just wondering if this is similar to post-Sniper melee where a bunch of people realized for the first time that the implementation of enemy melee attacks are ass, unrelated to SniperMeleeFix being made vanilla or not.

No media posts recently to check against + I can't boot up rn.

[daring pilot]

yeah lol I still haven’t noticed it

But I also have barely played vanilla recently

So I might just not be seeing it

To me I’ve noticed just more binary lighting, like it’s either super bright or super dark

[mossy yoke]

I'm pretty sure we haven't changed anything lighting/rendering related with ALT R6 release which is what's confusing as to why so many reports of "r6 broke lighting" aside from the couple zones that legit had their light settings changed, which we just fixed

[daring pilot]

huh

[hexed vapor]

But it has changed.

And if it's not related to zone-specific lighting, then it sounds like it's probably not fixed.

Hell, even if it hasn't changed, it just looks bad.

[mossy yoke]

that's why I'm trying to understand when the lighting overall got major worse

because the timeline ive been hearing people say isn't matching up to changes we've made

[hexed vapor]

I'm confused as to what isn't matching up that is supposed to.

[daring pilot]

i know about the R5-6 change, but I really have not noticed a change in my own gameplay from A5-6

Like sure, I’ve watched Fireblade become a moth and a ton of people complain about lighting issues, but I’ve not noticed it myself

And I’ve been working with lights a lot for my mod, so I definitely would’ve seen something

[hexed vapor]

At least one of the AltR6 patches seems to have included the change, so it would pull from something that was included in those patches.

[turbid cliff]

once in og R4 but we kind of got used to that, and then in og R6 and we didn't get used to that

[daring pilot]

Yeah I just haven’t seen the alt R6 change

[turbid cliff]

i'm talking 2 years ago

[orchid kindle]

I ain't seen any problems with lights and my autistic and ocd ass brain would probably notice immediately

[daring pilot]

Yeah ik

I know about the R5-6 change

I started in R6 and my brain went “this looks different than I’ve seen”

[mossy yoke]

wait are you saying that lighting got major eye straighint worse 2 years ago with OG R6 release? Not the ALT R6 recently?

[winter wharf]

hm, we do have access to older builds of the game

so I guess someone could take a video of checking out stuff in say alt r3, and then again in alt r6

[daring pilot]

i do like the pre OG R6 lighting more because it’s overall way darker and grittier

[winter wharf]

^ better atmosphere for the game

[quiet stone]

It's been explained plenty of times. The engine render changes in R6 make lights too bright with not enough fall off.

[daring pilot]

But the topic on hand is the supposed alt lighting change and I don’t think it exists

Huh

[quiet stone]

The lights don't shine very far but shine too brightly

[daring pilot]

interesting

[mossy yoke]

OG R6 2 years ago or ALT R6 on 2023-09-14?

[daring pilot]

Og r6

I think

[quiet stone]

OG r6 since that's when the graphics got updated

[daring pilot]

Honestly I can kind of see that, just from watching

[quiet stone]

Pre R6 lighting was far better

and less strain on the eyes

[daring pilot]

Not comparitively but a lot of the lighting in Occlusion, R6-7 and A1-6 feels like that

Like there’s sections in my D3 where I was like “why is this light not spreading over here because it’s super bright in this small area”

[mossy yoke]

Yeah we did light changes with OG R6.

Sorry I thought everyone has been referring to ALT R6 from 2 months ago as being the point in time when lighting got so blindingly bad

[west crow]

I'm surprised you were able to fix them since you couldn't recreate it on your monitors

[quiet stone]

Please drop into r1C2

[daring pilot]

Oh and correct me if I’m wrong, didn’t the fog system change in R7

Or just fog overall got thicker?

I seem to remember people talking about that with R7B2 and C1

[errant vigil]

There was a surge of reports of light changes with the release of ALT R6 for some reason

[daring pilot]

Maybe people thought the whole lighting system changed because a bunch of individual lights changed

[hexed vapor]

Like I said, it's a problem either way.

If there's a backend lighting change that wasn't caught, and is probably unintentional, it should be fixed.

If there isn't one, and people are just taking greater notice of the fact that lighting is truly terrible, then the lighting is still truly terrible.

I've even heard some pubs, completely unrelated, complain about it, too.

Which makes me think it's probably new, but at least it's not a vet-only complaint.

I don't think I've heard anyone complain about lighting out of the blue before now, but I may have just not taken note of it.

[daring pilot]

I haven’t either

I don’t pub a lot but I listen into chat a fair amount

Haven’t seen this much chatter about lighting in ages

[hexed vapor]

Also, I'm personally inclined to trust player perception over whatever the devs report is going on.

The same thing happened with SniperMelee, which, while a much more severe issue, biases me to think that this sort of thing is likely to go undetected even if it's an actual change.

[daring pilot]

I just trust a lot of vets because if I’ve learned anything from making GTFO levels, it’s that what I intend/create will never be what the players actually do/perceive

[west crow]

cfoaming ladders is part of the level design because if the devs didn't want me to cfoam a ladder they shouldn't have put a ladder there

[deft kiln]

Best solution is to remove all ladders from the game

[coarse berry]

add incredibly sheer stairwells

[west crow]

i will cfoam the floors of dense corridors

[turbid cliff]

I mean yeah it's a common opinion as far as i know

[mossy yoke]

I apologize for my misunderstanding of when the eye straining started getting worse.

As cho said here, please make a post in #1049599987878723635 with the R7 or ALT 1-6 name, Level (e.g. R1C2), the Zone #, and a screenshot of the most eye straining areas, then we can take a look at making a level design pass on these areas and adjust them.

[quiet stone]

ugh just go back to Pre - R6 lighting

[half hornet]

They won't, too late for that

[quiet stone]

fuckin tragic

[obtuse surge]

why does toggling the comms menu reset the timer for sliding

do we temporarily stop sprinting if we toggle the comms menu?

[deft kiln]

Based

[obtuse surge]

i mean as a bad thing

as in if you toggle the comms menu it takes at least 0.5s until you can slide again

no matter how long you were sprinting before that

[obtuse surge]

yes, if you spam toggle comms menu while running from A to B you will be significantly slower

might even be full movement stop for like a frame or something

CRINGE

[west crow]

Why are you talking to yourself

[obtuse surge]

sorry :c

[nocturne flax]

it slows you so you can think of your action

!

[obtuse surge]

wanna know what im thinking of

[west crow]

Not really

[obtuse surge]

[nocturne flax]

why song bird so hot in cyberpunk 2077

every hot woman i know manipulates me to reach a goal

pls send help

[obtuse surge]

switch to men

i changed my framerate to test things and now it stopped doing that

????????

ok

[oblique wren]

everybody diess

[fallow wasp]

That new mask is admittedly pretty cool

I wish you could decide to put a hood on your character regardless of helmet

[late nebula]

Show off that bald head! No shame!

[bronze surge]

Fml me and my friends attempted R6D1, reached reactor room and were immediately hit with the bad omen of 5 C-Foam grenades, all seemed fine with the waves till we finished them..

[hallow lark]

Lemme guess… tank came?

[bronze surge]

Gonna be real with you, we were expecting a mother

[hallow lark]

Ah XD

[bronze surge]

Didn't think a steamroller would run down the lane

Doesn't help that one of our bois, complete monke he is, huffed a ton of fog before the reactor room area

[hallow lark]

Yea… when I solo’ed D1 with bots, I was fully expecting the Sniper Sentry to kill the tumors…. Until it didn’t fire at all. I was the only one with a Sniper

I was NOT pleased at all

[prisma zodiac]

its fun when the team meets that first time after bad ammo conservation and has to finish it while fetching stuff (bonus if you dont have any heavy hitting weapon)

[bronze surge]

We had the resources and we genuinely didn't have too hard of a fight but

The problem was

Host DC'd

So we got sent back in time right after killing the tank

[hallow lark]

Oh shit

[bronze surge]

We were so happy till shit went dark again and we saw wave 4/4 on the top of our screens

[hallow lark]

Aw man

[bronze surge]

Not a big issue tho, pretty funny actually

[hallow lark]

Lol

I still hate some monsters or some rooms

Especially that Mother room in r4e1

I was NOT having a good time especially when I’m not able to hear the sleeping mothers

[prisma zodiac]

take bio
Run

[bronze surge]

as long as we're being given resources I'm not afraid of whatever they're throwing at us

[bronze surge]

forgot what level it was but we were doing a reactor and had to run around looking for keys for the reactor, the last one was in a foggy room with a mother

I remember the panic in my friend's voice when he told me to stop fucking moving

[kind swan]

Me doing R1A1 4x for the Commando set/crimson grit

[winter wharf]

poor calle, getting pinged at night by someone replying to an old message

if only you could toggle the notification on a message reply

[kind swan]

Indeed

[bronze surge]

you can do a level multiple times for loot ??

[winter wharf]

No

you only get apparel once, although when there's a limited time event, any clear (apart from training) will get you the limited time cosmetic

[bronze surge]

ah so thats about old loot then, gotchu

[idle nacelle]

I might regret this but I'm gonna try and get the new mask...by finally finishing R7E1

[late nebula]

Did you finish it?!

[idle nacelle]

no

got distracted with sth else, still got like 6 days

[late nebula]

[broken scarab]

Haha, no worries. All notifications are silenced after a set time everyday.

[kind swan]

[lyric knot]

For R6D3 am I supposed to do the overload reactor first?

[balmy robin]

That would be the easier way

If you intend to complete the expedition in Prisoner Efficiency

[atomic escarp]

yes or you can do main objective, then overload then you can shut off the error alarm along with the surge alarm so u have all the time to do secondary

[lyric knot]

If I go to main first, will there be another bulkhead key for the other objectives?

[plush basin]

You get a bulkhead key when you complete main

[real moss]

Main first is harder tho

[lyric knot]

What makes main first harder?

Is there an error alarm at the end?

[atomic escarp]

after finisihing the reactor you have a 15 min window to extract or finish the rest of the expedition else a surge alarm goes off

[lyric knot]

Ok, so I should do overload into secondary and main last?

[half hornet]

I don't think you can do secondary until you did main

Secondary is always last, and you need to do it in 15 minutes

[lyric knot]

Ah, I never saw the secondary objective.

[real moss]

can't

[half hornet]

I don't know maybe you do, but doing a secondary DURING main is a problem.

[real moss]

ovl ->main -sec

Buy like sec is super easy to do in 15 min

pull all rooms and just rush it

[lyric knot]

Is the secondary picking up items from lockers or is it a cargo?

[half hornet]

Former

[alpine spindle]

You’re looking for IDs in secondary

[real moss]

ID's just 5

[lyric knot]

Alright, thanks for the tips. Hopefully I can complete an expedition for once.

[real moss]

Just do an A if it's about that 😂

[lyric knot]

I've done most levels, I'm playing duo with bots and we aren't the greatest.

[real moss]

Well then R6D3PE will be pain. good luck on the split up

Altho I guess, one dude with 2 bots is enuff

[lyric knot]

Well that one dude is probably equivalent to 4 players of my skill level...

[alpine spindle]

I honestly dont think you’ll struggle much if you have the right strat

[lyric knot]

The D and C tiers of rundown 4-6 have been kicking my ass.

[real moss]

R6 is hella easy

4 and 5 I can see it

[idle nacelle]

R6D4 can be hairy

[lyric knot]

For you maybe, but r6d2, and d3 have been really tough

[real moss]

Nah, it was a joke

[lyric knot]

I beat d4

After learning about the foam

[real moss]

That's way too late to learn about foam

[lyric knot]

I knew about foam, I just didn't realize how important it was for that last stretch

[alpine spindle]

D4 was… interesting to say the least

First playthrough I went without foam

And had completely fucked spawns

So not enjoyable

[lyric knot]

Yeah, my first run i didn't even realize I was in the infection fog

[alpine spindle]

Then I learned foam from jaja

And holy shit it was night and day difference

[lyric knot]

Yep, I don't know if that last part is even possible without foam

[real moss]

It is

[alpine spindle]

It is

Just hope you don’t get really fucked spawns

Cause it can fuck you real bad

[lyric knot]

How do you not get overwhelmed while carrying a cell?

[alpine spindle]

It’s not bad

[real moss]

shoot

Like it's not that bad

[alpine spindle]

The only bad part would be if surge spawns on top of you every time like how my first run went

Otherwise it ain’t really bad; I brought combat shottie and it went fine (save for how fucked it was anyways)

[lyric knot]

The problem for me was the bots weren't shooting enough to clear the waves and one of our 2 players had to carry the cell

[real moss]

dunno man my only wipe in Alt R6 is D1 cause I only skip. I refuse to play that level as a whole

Most boring shit put there, bar R4C2

[lyric knot]

Well I'm not as experienced as you. I started playing on R7.

Most of my buddies won't dare play it again because of losing hours of time due to failing.

[real moss]

Fair, I did OG R6 a lot

[lyric knot]

Yeah and the game was probably harder back then too I bet.

[real moss]

OG R6 was already an easier rundown than most

[lyric knot]

Didn't they make most levels easier on the ALT rundowns?

[alpine spindle]

Wouldn’t say “most”

Would say “some”

[real moss]

I did not say Alt R6 was not even easier than OG

[lyric knot]

I never really played the OG rundowns, but I've heard of players complaining about nerfs to levels

[real moss]

on D3 for example you got: less enemies in shadow scouts zone, tank barracks, respawn zones.

Then lay-out of 2nd code and key to last code zone is simplified a LOT

which makes it easier to clear and get key/code

It's that kind of small things

[lyric knot]

Do you think that's because weapons aren't as powerful or maybe the stamina system?

[real moss]

Weapons are overall probably more powerfull

except sniper. OG R6 sniper was insanely OP

[real moss]

And there was already stamina in OG R6.

so the question then is: why?

[lyric knot]

Maybe the play testers couldn't beat it?

[narrow gulch]

is it even less

[real moss]

they beat OG R6 just fine. again OG R6 was already piss easy

[narrow gulch]

what was there more of before

[real moss]

yes it is

[half hornet]

They didn't cut down the redundant fat on that R5 level

The level layout changes appear to be just coincidental

[real moss]

True, I am not saying it's everywhere

Altho they nerfed R5E1

[half hornet]

They generate same layout, see that it's mostly the same and call it a day.

Enemy changes though no idea. Game dev woke up in a bad mood, saw the room spawn and went "I don't like this, imma changin' it"

[real moss]

That may well be but if a lay-out changes makes it easier it's still a nerf. intentional or not

[half hornet]

Eh, one less room to go through doesn't murder a level, just shortens playtime by some... 2 minutes or whatever.

Now 5E change was fascinating

[real moss]

No no no. now key to last code zone is a joke. while previous lay out was way more challenging to navigate

[half hornet]

The fact that it got deployed in a classic 10c fashion makes it twice as funny

[real moss]

Lay out changes don't impact levels every time but on D3 it does

[half hornet]

Maybe they got lost in testing and were like "alright, you know what: this is actually kinda cringe and not fun at all, let's make this slightly streamlined"

Which honestly I can't blame them for

[real moss]

Artek 🤦

[half hornet]

It really could be just a gut decision after a bad run

Or some dev is just having fun while no one is looking

[lyric knot]

I can't imagine the devs thought babysitting in r7e1 would be fun

[half hornet]

Reminds me how doom eternal dev was playing some hard mode, tried using burst fire shotgun, got immediately murdered for it and he went "alright, we're buffing this bitch"

[deft kiln]

I don’t they they intended you to baby sit

[half hornet]

Really?

What do you think they intended then?

What, keep the guy locked behind cfoamed doors like R5D2?

If so - I didn't see enough Cfoam grenades laying around

[deft kiln]

You can just go for the entire start

You are just supposed to run into the alarm and run into the blood door probs

Tank you just form the crazy 3 tank circle but one can’t be killed

It really isn’t that bad if you understand how Pablo moves

[prisma zodiac]

than og r6 ? WHAT dj WHAT?

[real moss]

I dunno I thought it was wild takes day today

[olive shoal]

r6 hel gun

lol

[narrow gulch]

Can we bring back 190 damage scatter

[winter wharf]

Shotgun ammo capacity sniper rifle

[nocturne flax]

they mostly fixed the things we were complaining back in the OG's

all the levels are basically the same shit

but if you'are a purist you will see anything like a nerf

[winter wharf]

I mean

scouts magically disappearing from levels is a nerf

[nocturne flax]

also forgot to mention that tool actually work

unlike the buggy mess they where before

[winter wharf]

pre r5 mines? sure. shitty sentries? sure

sniper sentry was still baller

[nocturne flax]

The only reason why they finally added "shoottowards" on ss its because during testing

it couldnt hit shit infront of it

[winter wharf]

I have no idea what shoottowards does

well, I have an idea, but

never heard of it before

[nocturne flax]

its basically the autoaim

aimbot

[winter wharf]

some of the other stuff with changes is also sad, like decoupled shadow scouts

[nocturne flax]

difficulty was inconsistent due to the shitty spawn bug

having rooms empty but 1 room completly packed

the game its way better than it was back then

a lot healthier

[winter wharf]

the funny enemy distribution was good

or, well, fun

[nocturne flax]

it was shit

[half hornet]

I'll take your word for it. It's unusual to hear positive things around here.

[nocturne flax]

i was there when it was written

shut up artek

👊

[half hornet]

Imho the spawn bug sounds somewhat fun... More reasons to do the mine pull.

Then again, it could also happen with giant or hybrid rooms... I'd rather not.

[tough badger]

spawn bug was funny because i got to watch noobs do r5a1 and find 20 enemies in one room in the first zone and get steamrolled instantly

[royal lichen]

20 enemies in 3 rooms more like, alt-r5a1 its like "helloooo? anybody hooo-oome?" and all the strikers, 3 of them, run at you .. 🙂

[rare hatch]

those were some good times as I first started playing the game in r5

[royal lichen]

back when scouts were still scary and wtf is that rapidfire bigdude behind the a2 blood door omg.. those first survived jingles, what a rush.

[rare hatch]

I still remember struggling to complete C1 and then on our best attempt my craptop bluescreens while I'm doing uplink and we end up losing from that

[heavy siren]

with everything except the graphics

bring back pre release rendering or whatever it was that they changed and we are gucci

[nocturne flax]

I sure love sleeper glowing like a lightbulb

and rooms darker than my asscrack

[heavy siren]

well i sure love stable frames

on max settings

[nocturne flax]

blame dimension

[heavy siren]

and that was only possible r5ext

on r6 release they fucked it

[nocturne flax]

from r1 to r4 performance was good

r5 and onwards everything went downhill

[heavy siren]

no

r6 and onwards

[nocturne flax]

nah r5 had shit performance

[winter wharf]

I thought og r5 was pretty nice for performance, better than og r4 in some regards

[heavy siren]

i bought the game in r5 and perfomance was great

[rare hatch]

there's a mod that gives the old graphics, but it fucks up if you restart the level via checkpoint/host migration or if you drop mid game

[heavy siren]

then they release the game

and everything goes to shit

[nocturne flax]

r5 levels are gigantic compare to r4

[heavy siren]

yea i heard about it

[nocturne flax]

its impossible to have r5 having better performance than r4

and i do remember people bitching about perfomance

[heavy siren]

need that and old combat music and 👌

[nocturne flax]

especially on the lower levels back in the day

r5e1 was impossible

[dry dagger]

R5A1 is a smal lev

[nocturne flax]

shotugn pellets werent optimize

so whatever its factually wrong 🤓

perfomance in r5 was poopy

[dry dagger]

E1 is even smlar

Do we know if the framerate issues are a result of the larger tiles, or is it more from larger enemy density, or some backend code thing idk I have 2 iq.

[nocturne flax]

r5d1 extreme

[winter wharf]

between early access and release? messing up the lighting/rendering/whatever the hell it was

[dry dagger]

That's everything i said damn

[nocturne flax]

og r5 had the shittiest perfomance out of all the rundown in EA

[olive shoal]

game honestly ran fine on og r4/r5

i had a few issues in r5 but its still like

[nocturne flax]

you tweaking

[olive shoal]

way better than this

[nocturne flax]

go back and shoot a combat shotgun

you wont

🤓

[olive shoal]

u just play on a 2003 pc man idk

[nocturne flax]

if it can run half life

it can run gtfo

[olive shoal]

have everyone shoot machinepistol...

[dry dagger]

Sometimes the levels are fine. Other times, they melt and frames don't come back 😔

[olive shoal]

my performance in current version is just not the most ideal

its tragic..

[coarse berry]

game is simply unoptimized

doesn't properly utilize hardware

[rare hatch]

and it doesn't have the warnings for main and extreme bulkhead doors

[pseudo lily]

how are we supposed to know what the threat level of the sector is??

[atomic escarp]

main high
secondary extreme
overload overload

[pseudo lily]

😐

(they don’t get it)

[late nebula]

So basically the threat level is never low

[hallow lark]

Basically: Depending on the Tier or difficulty of level:
Main: Normal or Casual
Secondary: normal-Hard
Overload: Normal to VERY hard

But considered that the completion of the other objectives can result in side effects, changing how the level is going from now on. Such as Error Alarms, Darkness, Fog rising or Infection Fogs

And depending on WHAT kind of side effect, it can be near impossible at times

[olive shoal]

Idk abt near impossible

[kind swan]

me thinking about Wyvern dealing with the levels with a lot of shadows

[west crow]

im technically the first deaf gtfo player since i was here first

[hallow lark]

Hey!

[hallow lark]

Shadows just wears me out more than a normal level does

[half hornet]

I think that experience is universal

[pseudo lily]

what subcomplex(es) does r6d1 use?

[half hornet]

The what?

Do you mean what biome?

[pseudo lily]

yes

[half hornet]

Labs, I think?

[winter wharf]

Labs and data centre it should be

[pseudo lily]

it doesn’t use storage?

[winter wharf]

Don't think so

[half hornet]

Unless you count the final part

But that should be a different biome entirely

[pseudo lily]

thanks!

was trying to see if there were any other levels that use mining that go to the desert realm, like r7c2

most of them use tech iirc

[late nebula]

My fav is always the garden, but you don't really see it often

[mortal portal]

Also gardens is not exactly well optimized

[late nebula]

Yeah, my frames do drop when I'm in there

[pseudo lily]

i love gardens but man is it confusing to navigate around in

sometimes

[tough atlas]

The problem I have with it is that all the rooms look incredibly big, kinda like floodways

[kind swan]

in wyvern's perspective it's way different if you can't even hear the shadows

[west crow]

i have people yelling at me in my ears so i can't hear them anyway so it's basically the same situation

[hexed vapor]

That is the only example that is mining.

[narrow gulch]

r6a1 kinda counts

though that desert portion is basically nonexistent

[hallow lark]

WHEW! Finally cleared R5E1

[hexed vapor]

EZ clap

[narrow gulch]

congrats

hopefully it was fun

[eager meadow]

Hey does anyone know what expedition has the pumpkins so I can get the new cosmetics?

Or is it just any as stated

Just confused with the pumpkin part

[velvet linden]

you can complete any expedition to get the new cosmetic

[eager meadow]

Nice thanks

[velvet linden]

I think some levels have pumpkins but they are just aesthetic

[half hornet]

R7 gardens biome indeed has rotting pumpkins. Not related to Halloween - actually just random ass pumpkins.

[half hornet]

How long does R7D1 main only takes? No speedruns, just casual stroll - fuck sprint button.

[plush basin]

Depends on if people played it before, maybe an hour?

[half hornet]

Bots.

[deft kiln]

If it is bots only it could take up to 6 hours

Or longer

[half hornet]

Even main only? Urgh

[winter wharf]

Ah right yeah because you're resetting for terminal rnf

Rng

[deft kiln]

The ending objectives requires two people unless you get good terminals

[half hornet]

Ooooooh right

[deft kiln]

Either way best way of clearing it to kite

Solo that is

[half hornet]

Right, not doing that

Man, very cool level aesthetics wise. Shame it runs like ass.

[deft kiln]

Yeah good level to bad

Would recommend a second player

[atomic escarp]

2hrs minimum

90min for ovl could be more depending on your luck

[hexed vapor]

So we know that R7E1 is what starts the whole alt storyline, where we get teleported back to the wrong dimension after R7, right?

But how are the devs going to tie us back into the Schaeffer/Henrikson story?

Surely a part of R8 will be sending us back to our own dimension to cap things off.

But what if you Brazil skip?

Then you would canonically never go to any of the alt rundowns, and you could go straight to R8.

I think this is the devs have been waiting for us to do before they give us new content.

Thoughts?

[winter wharf]

I brought this up in lore chat and got dismissed but I've still been wondering about it

[balmy robin]

Are you trying to make Brazil Skip canon ? :D

[winter wharf]

The complex is a big place, maybe schaeffer tried sending us to a place he knew we could survive and the alt rundowns are in the same timeline, but a different part of the complex

Because afaik we don't actually know how big the complex is or how it's divided

[hexed vapor]

If we have infinite matter wave frequencies, then surely there is at least one possible world where Brazil skip happens.

And such a world is actually instantiated by a matter wave.

[winter wharf]

I mean there's some funny stuff with the characters like r6 cx (previously dx) to consider but idk

[hexed vapor]

But that only happens if we don't desert skip.

[coarse berry]

i mean technically there's no proof r7e1 does this

it's just the best theory

[hexed vapor]

Do we have a better order, though?

It seems like R7E1 -> AltR1A1

[coarse berry]

until the devs put in actual proof that it happened, it's just guessing

[hexed vapor]

And R7E1 is guaranteed post-R7D2.

[coarse berry]

after the matter wave collapse, our glowsticks are still yellow and WRDN is still corrupted

[hexed vapor]

Hmmmmm

[coarse berry]

alt r1 could be happening after r8 potentially, if they decide to make the lore even more fucky

I would be very annoyed if they just left r7's ending on a cliffhanger IMO. I hope r8 is not alt

[winter wharf]

I know there's the whole thing of do the reactor to corrupt the warden but like

How would we extract if we have both lost the warden and schaeffer

[hexed vapor]

None of it makes sense.

None of it makes sense until you realize that Brazil skip is canon.

[coarse berry]

imagine if they lock GTFO's true ending behind doing that

[balmy robin]

Well, you know what you have to do then. Have fun with that ^^

[hexed vapor]

The good ending, the level where the prisoners stick together.

[balmy robin]

The good ending, the level where the prisoners stick together, with Pablo and his brother Pedro.

[hexed vapor]

With Pablo x2*

[balmy robin]

Ah, true :D

[hexed vapor]

This explains the alts, as well.

Because where does Pablo come from?

It only makes sense if there is a non-Brazil skip team that does the alt rundowns.

In the only worldline that, by pure chance, has no plotholes.

Or maybe it's a reverse order.

Maybe R7E1 is actually the alpha network test in that dimension.

It makes complete sense in the story.

[winter wharf]

The more I think about it the more I hope that we get the "it was just a dream" cliché for the alt rundowns because I'm not gonna spend brainpower trying to tie that in

[coarse berry]

unironically the best thing they could do

take this game back to one cohesive storyline

[hexed vapor]

Brazil skippers stay winning (when they eventually actually clear it, maybe).

[olive shoal]

okay ray.

[winter wharf]

Maybe it's a time loop sort of deal, groundhog day and all that

When everything goes wrong and your teams tenure ends, you end up back at the start, but things are slightly different

And r7e1 was our team dooming themselves or whatever idfk I can't make sense of this my alarm was 20 minutes ago

[half hornet]

Yeah, that's the problem. I have zero doubts devs never intended for level to be played that way, and thus it cannot be canon period. Not to mention bugged UI. Teleportation is an objective, right? Why would KSOs just ignore it? They wouldn't. So not happening.
Also we still don't have a pin point on where EXACTLY did the dimension jump occur. We can guess, but no direct confirmations.

Speculating on contents of R8 is currently a worthless task. With everything going on it could go literally any way and it probably won't be as amazing or mind blowing as people expect it to be. So best option for now is just quiet cautious optimism.

On that note: goddamn the last devleak was useless

[prisma zodiac]

brazil skip

[knotty barn]

well after reading some of this (I read around potential spoilers xD) it seems I really do have to clear R7E1. Any good tipps on it, since the last couple of times ... it never went really well xD

[fallow wasp]

where did you find yourself getting blown away?

[knotty barn]

double tank room

we never made it further than that xD

[fallow wasp]

hmm. For that room it's best to just have one guy leading the immortal away, and maybe have another person lead one of the tanks away

really it's just good to have one person babysit pablo

[knotty barn]

yeah pablo was mostly fine

though annoying to do so

any loadout recommendations?

[atomic escarp]

1 sniper should do the trick

[fallow wasp]

hmm. Myself I like using carbine and stock shotgun, precision rifle, machine gun

[atomic escarp]

assuming u can handle the rest of the level

[knotty barn]

what about tools?

turrets, minelayer, seafoam? ^^

[atomic escarp]

2 sentries bio c foam

[fallow wasp]

yeah that's about the best you can get

mines aren't too useful

[knotty barn]

alright I will keep that in mind then :D´

[fallow wasp]

you can sometimes find a mine or two for the blood door I think though

ye, it's an excercise in patience

I'm usually the one who leads pablo so I go get him stuck on geometry and stare him down

[knotty barn]

stuck on geometry?

[fallow wasp]

there are certain places in the map where he will stand still

The one I use is a square region to the right of the first zone you go into after waking pablo

[knotty barn]

I will give it a try 😄

thank you ^^

[fallow wasp]

groovy

[knotty barn]

oh yeah you can get them stuck

though I did have to sacrifice the bots for it xD

as for the first alarm door? just tough it out? xD

[idle nacelle]

if you only get one or two its better to save those IMO, the blood door enemies are not substantial compared to say getting code 2 faster or deleting the first reactor wave

its what 4 chargers 2 bbc and the tanks?

or, for that matter, if you are on code 4 and you need to thin out the horde chasing the code person, mined door does wonders

the first alarm in R7E1 is basically you try to get scans in before leading pablo to the other end of the room, then go back for scan

[toxic shadow]

any R4B2 PE tips? made it to overload and the level 6 alarm drained all our ammo and we died in the next room. too foggy

[hexed vapor]

Do not put any cells in before you do Overload.

[fresh bronze]

There is a point in the level after a full room scan where text on the left will say matter wave collapse imminent, highly recommend you stop shooting when you see that unless you wanna wipe in the most painful way possible. It fuckin blindsighted me and my friends and was a very annoying wipe

surviving the mistake is doable but would use a lot of resources so def not worth it

[toxic shadow]

ohhhh really? we were doing the lower zone, putting two cells in, doing the upper zone, putting the third cell in, then doing overload. I read that putting 2-3 cells in lowered the fog in the upper zones

[hexed vapor]

It does, but Overload is a lower zone.

If you clear the upper fog, you can't raise it back up after, and Overload is just completely fog fucked.

Much better to simply deal with the upper fog for two zones, and then have a clear Overload.

[toxic shadow]

so you do the lower zones, leave all the cells in the generator room, push into upper zones through the fog, do overload, THEN return to generators and put cells in?

[hexed vapor]

Yep, common route.

[toxic shadow]

that's a great tip, thank you!

[hexed vapor]

npnp

[toxic shadow]

overload definitely felt impossible with that much fog

can't wait to try again

[tough atlas]

Aside from what was already told there's also a couple of things I'd like to add

The error by itself ain't much, just have 2 people (3 if you really want) dedicated to melee the shit out of it and IF they really somehow get in trouble only then they shoot

Of course during alarms or when you have to clear rooms just resort to shooting

And the second is that due to how the map is structured, there's a chance you NEED to go through mom zone for Overload's OSIPs

Some people check that beforehand via a terminal and reroll if that's the case

Doing mom zone ain't hard at all

but if you're struggling I guess you can do that