#gtfo-spoiler-chat

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half hornet
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I remember the infinite shadow fight and the forever charger fight. Can't tell if it's different runs though.

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Also I did before the overload got fixed

atomic escarp
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the class Xs are the most fun

half hornet
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"fixed"

atomic escarp
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u def need to do it with snatcher now

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just dont checkpoint cuz it stops the snatcher alarm

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game goes brain fart

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and forgets thats a thing

half hornet
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Lmao

late bloom
half hornet
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Upon release you could put off activating overload command until the last second before going for the extraction. So I only had to deal with the error for like... 2-3 minutes tops until the level is over.

late bloom
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but the snatcher error is still bugged

half hornet
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Exactly, hence "fixed"

late bloom
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you get 1-3 snatcher

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try to do it with 3 good luck

half hornet
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They fixed the thing that makes the overload easier (or even to say make it rudimentary), but didn't fixed the stupid broken spawning

late bloom
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or infinte scout scream etc.

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R7D1 is just a huge bug

half hornet
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That's the thing that I hate the most about that level.
I would happily play it honorably as intended if it had the decency not to hit me with bazzilion snatchers and reduce my FPS to 20 while at it.

late bloom
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I have more fun playing the Level without overload because of the bugs it has

prisma zodiac
late bloom
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i have not seen footage of 4 so far

half hornet
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It's effectively officially recognised as the most Ductape'n'spit level in the game, so I'm not exactly excited about the idea of doing it again even if only for fun.

prisma zodiac
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r7d1 is bugged

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but people overplay it

late bloom
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Also snatcher error doesn´t work after checkpoints

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so stupid

prisma zodiac
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snatcher bug is honestly the only real issue

hexed vapor
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R7D1 is just the most GTFO experience.

late bloom
hexed vapor
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Not everyone can handle that.

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Lots of R1 nostalgia in that level too.

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Going through the experience knowing that none of the issues you're encountering will be fixed that for rundown.

late bloom
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1 snatcher doesn´t do much. 2 are the most balanced i think. 3 is stupid and if you get 4 just Press AltF4 and live a happy life

coarse berry
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I remember my first time I played it, we got 3 snatchers

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I just thought "MAN this level is hard" but we somehow beat it

hexed vapor
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Did you CP, tho?

coarse berry
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i don't remember, i don't think so

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after a while they just stopped coming

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i think someone set there's a limited number of spawn events

prisma zodiac
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its a pretty long ass time (like good over an hour)

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but checkpointing stops them aswell

coarse berry
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took us like ~2hrs maybe a little more

kind swan
tough atlas
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r7d1 is one of the only levels that makes my fps dip below 60 even to 30s in certain rooms

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maybe it's an environment thing

atomic escarp
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The garden tileset apparently but since I play on 40-50 fps I don't notice much of a change

hexed vapor
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There is some kind of renderer that apparently gets called once per every light in the level for certain things, including Snatcher.

daring pilot
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you know what he meant

livid heath
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go on

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im listening

daring pilot
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I already said my piece

livid heath
kind swan
daring pilot
chrome rivet
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So whats your favorite Rundown overall?

daring pilot
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Favorite vanilla rundown is R6

chrome rivet
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I think mine personally would probably be R7 cause I know some of the levels are quite lacking, but it also contains some absolute bangers

tough atlas
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Interpreting as "you can delete all Rundowns but one, which one you keep"

daring pilot
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100% R6 if only vanilla then

chrome rivet
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That works, or just what rundown can you envison revisting the most

tough atlas
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I like it because it's challenging without R5

tough atlas
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Compared to R4-5

daring pilot
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Me but R6

tough atlas
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But that's because most of R1-2-3s levels are kinda fast

chrome rivet
tough atlas
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And I rarely get to play that long

chrome rivet
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they just take so much more effort

daring pilot
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I also have a lot of R7 completions but definitely not as many as Og R6

tough atlas
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but if I could keep one I'd rather keep R4

chrome rivet
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thats fair, there are alot of good R4 levels

daring pilot
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I’d get tired of error alarms OMEGALUL

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And also B2/C2

chrome rivet
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But there are a lot of levels that I find pretty forgettable

daring pilot
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Yeah

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R5 honestly has more standout levels

tough atlas
chrome rivet
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definitly, besides the b-tier which is overall pretty boring

tough atlas
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I need to focus to remember all R5 Bs, save for r5b1 because of how shit that map is

daring pilot
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I think the only R5 levels that I find forgettable are B4 and C1

prisma zodiac
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R5 has some banger levels

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but theres also a lot of meh ones

chrome rivet
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those are the two levels I remeber the most

prisma zodiac
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also basically all are long

daring pilot
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Yeah I still prefer R6 at the end of the day

prisma zodiac
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id probably choose R6

chrome rivet
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yeah R6 has a perfect range of difficulty

daring pilot
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eh not perfect

prisma zodiac
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fun for solo/duo, chill 4 man but has enough D tiers to keep variance. C2/C3 are fun
banger speeds

daring pilot
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Could have had some harder levels, like an e tier

prisma zodiac
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it just lacks E tier and some higher difficulty

daring pilot
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But it’s very fun

chrome rivet
prisma zodiac
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add R3D1, R5C2, and R4E1 and R5E1 and i probably am eternally satisfied

daring pilot
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And R7D2

chrome rivet
tough atlas
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I'd say R6 is fun but then again some levels I find like a chore until X happens

prisma zodiac
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you just gotta zoom more

daring pilot
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Only R6 level I have that opinion on is AX

tough atlas
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R6C2 is a chore until you get to extreme

prisma zodiac
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true that

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R5C2 until optionals start is oof

tough atlas
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R6C3 is a chore until you get to the checkpoint etc

daring pilot
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you mean R6?

chrome rivet
tough atlas
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fug my bad

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corrected

chrome rivet
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oh yeah I was talking about R5C2

tough atlas
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yeah r5c2 applies too

daring pilot
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Yeah that’s my opinion on R6D3 actually OMEGALUL

tough atlas
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I dont think it needed a reactor as a secondary

daring pilot
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I think the pre reactor can get kind of boring

tough atlas
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just have secondary/extreme have extra cells so you skip something of main

chrome rivet
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like seriously

tough atlas
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and just take away some gens

narrow gulch
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reactors the less interesting part

daring pilot
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R5C2 is like a fun level but holy hell does it drag

tough atlas
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Only thing I like of r5c2 is overload

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And in any event

daring pilot
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i liked extreme tbh

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Was a fun spicy reactor

tough atlas
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I find everything after it a bit... pointless? Extreme's fine but if you passed Overload you're very probably gonna be ok

daring pilot
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R5C2 side objectives don’t alter the level at all do they?

tough atlas
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I think more maps should have sectors oriented kinda like r5c2's overload or r5a2's

daring pilot
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Oh lmao wait nvm I’m thinking of my D4 OMEGALUL

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mfw

tough atlas
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Short but challenging compared to the rest of the level

daring pilot
tough atlas
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I get that r5a3's overload makes more fog but fuck

daring pilot
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I love that

tough atlas
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I'd rather get MORE FOG for all the level than go cell hunt in scouts+cocoons

daring pilot
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I think that matches with my level philosophy for the most part

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Only one of my levels that doesn’t really apply to is C2 OVL but it’s got it’s own thing going on

tough atlas
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I get that r5a3's extreme adds an error alarm, neat I guess

daring pilot
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eh

tough atlas
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But do I really need to go through all that shit before hsu?

daring pilot
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I’m not as much a fan of errors unless they’re interesting

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Eg R6C2

tough atlas
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Fuck just give me a room and the hsu anyway

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Like R4A2's overload

daring pilot
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They change the way you approach the level? Cool

tough atlas
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1 zone, 3 rooms, 1 terminal scan, error.

daring pilot
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They just add more things to shoot? Bleh

tough atlas
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In some cases it gets laughable and an annoyance at best

daring pilot
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R4A2 forward spawns are both frustrating as fuck but also kind of genius for setting off those scouts at least

tough atlas
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Provided they dont spawn inside or some shit

daring pilot
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Yeah honestly that I’ll take because it spices up the level

tough atlas
daring pilot
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trying to think what errors on side objectives I have in Occ

tough atlas
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they spawn and yell triggering the scout

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It's not a big deal but I feel like I got swindled by the game

daring pilot
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i think it’s like, a shadow trickle., and a snatcher error

tough atlas
daring pilot
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Or a charger error if you choose that route on C2 OVL

tough atlas
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your rundown?

daring pilot
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Occlusion

tough atlas
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Does it have a crazy map reactor where you need to go north then south like 10 times in a row, and it only spawns 1 shadow per wave?

daring pilot
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Yeah I tried to avoid errors because I wanted my side objectives to integrate with the level in more interesting ways

tough atlas
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No? My idea is safe...

daring pilot
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Actually that’s kind of the first code for D2

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All of my reactors are weird

tough atlas
daring pilot
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ehhh nah

tough atlas
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all levels designed to annoy

daring pilot
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Don’t want to

tough atlas
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s-scans long hours

daring pilot
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nooooo

tough atlas
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zones that just go down in the fog

daring pilot
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Or up :3

tough atlas
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then there's a big big zone

daring pilot
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could be up

tough atlas
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it's all spitters

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to the brim

daring pilot
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All I’m saying :3

tough atlas
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so when they spit someone gets downed

daring pilot
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that’s like part of R5E1, no?

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Oh wait I do have something kind of like that

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Ish

tough atlas
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There's only 1 dis station, no packs

daring pilot
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mmm kind of

tough atlas
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behind a blood door with 3 immortals

daring pilot
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I can’t say much, mostly because I don’t want to spoil certain levels

tough atlas
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Another map "got ammo?", start with 0 ammo, no packs in the map, all blood doors with pmoms

daring pilot
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all jokes aside I do want to make a full stealth mission for my second rundown

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Where you start with ammo but receive no packs for the entire level

tough atlas
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A reactor that needs a code which is behind a door that needs a key which is behind a door that only opens when you finish another reactor

deft kiln
daring pilot
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I’d have to put interesting twists on it, and it wouldn’t be able to be that long

deft kiln
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With a single turbine

daring pilot
deft kiln
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Heard that was hard

daring pilot
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I’m not trying to make impossible missions

deft kiln
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And idk how it is gonna go

daring pilot
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oh damn really?

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Lmk when

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I’m still trying to beat my new level but I’d love to try yours

deft kiln
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Lucky for you it is only designed to be 5~ mins

daring pilot
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Nice

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5 minutes of pain

deft kiln
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Oh Ofc

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Trying to make hard gtfo content in the least amount of time is a werid task

idle nacelle
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out of curiosity, how do yall create modded rundowns?

winter wharf
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there is going to be a lot to it and honestly, I have no fucking clue but I can signpost you to the modded server (which I do not have the url for)

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.t modding

jaunty hedgeBOT
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While we do allow the use of some QoL and visual mods, GTFO doesn't officially support modding. However, we do recognize that a GTFO modding community exists and if you are interested in them, you are welcome to check out the modding communities found in #hc-modded (If you have any more questions, please read rule #12 in the rules channel for more information.)

idle nacelle
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ye ik the modding server, brain wasnt functioning when I thought to ask here lmao whoops

deft kiln
idle nacelle
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interesting

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might look into it once I 100% vanilla

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which, will be a while

deft kiln
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Changing json files is really really easy

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Hard to make good stuff with just that though

cunning herald
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is R6C3's overload just doing the terminal scan and then fight a tank? or is there something more to it (died to the tank)

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seems too merciful for an overload

coarse berry
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much like the hit song by smash mouth

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they don't stop coming

cunning herald
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i see now

hexed vapor
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The time investment is also quite significant.

mortal portal
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You turn the level into an industrial tank generator

hexed vapor
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If you Main only, you can literally stop at every single door and mine it for each wave.

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Overload, you mine doors when they're there, but you can't really afford to stop and wait.

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(you still get plenty of doors, though).

ornate crow
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overload also punishes you with staying longer than needed in the level on account of uh

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the funny.

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if you're going for PE and your team isn't on pace so you have to linger quite a bit to wrap up secondary you can pretty easily end up fighting like...a bunch of tanks

real moss
livid heath
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wouldnt deal with 3 tanks to do all main secondary overload

real moss
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5 min

livid heath
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usuall runs where ppl know what theyre doing is sub 35

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but if youre blind of objective markers and dont know

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the timer would run on 45min

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dealing with fog of overload

native lily
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isnt the "fuck you if you arnt at the exit" timer at 30min anyway

livid heath
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id chill on secondary

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and then wait for 1:30s left on main

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dealing with 2 tanks easy af

obtuse surge
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mm time

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q up

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NYOW

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can we queue for all rundowns please

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as one of the 10 people that uses matchmaking i can say it would be really nice to have

half hornet
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You're telling me MM doesn't even have "queue for any and all rundowns" feature?

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Outstanding.

native lily
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nope lol

obtuse surge
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blamed for 3 things i didnt do

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no mike experience momento

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lfg is better than mm guys !!!1!11!!

livid heath
obtuse surge
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q

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R6

livid heath
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where

obtuse surge
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MATCHMAKING

livid heath
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ON IT

livid heath
obtuse surge
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theres no region select in mm

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just language

livid heath
obtuse surge
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nvm lfg faster

livid heath
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FUCK

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SERVER SYNC
CURSES

obtuse surge
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i dont have patience man

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i see 3/4 vc

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watching rule 7

livid heath
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GIBE ME A CHANCE

obtuse surge
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my internet keeps dying

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its not meant to be

livid heath
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Sell your racing sim for a better router

west lantern
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Which map was it with the 7 scout room and the long moving scan? R6C1 or R7C1? @me plz

frail horizon
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r6

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@west lantern

livid heath
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Just 5

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R6C2 has 4 charger scouts

wary olive
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R6C2 you sure?

livid heath
wary olive
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main is 3 cells, extreme is s scan with cargo carry with hybrid error alarm

livid heath
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Then is it D2?

wary olive
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unless they changed it in alt there wasnt a single charger or charger scout on that map

livid heath
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Lol

rotund ether
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yo did we get steam achievements or whats happening

late bloom
cunning herald
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the warden in R6D1 really was like “oh yeah haha since you’re down there anyways can you turn on the reactor rq” like skull skull skull gtfo

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wait a sec

real moss
tough atlas
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r6d2 has a lot of charger scouts actually

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I think the room of doom with them and spitters has 5

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then there's like 1 at the end of charger path

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2 in main I think

real moss
tough atlas
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and I dont remember if mom path has any

real moss
hexed vapor
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Subreddit mods seem to be intent on keeping the sub closed-ish for some reason.

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Kind of annoying.

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They don't even respond to their modmail.

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I am going to become a Steam Forums effort poster 💀

prisma zodiac
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Remake gtfo reddit

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big brain

hexed vapor
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There was some talk of migrating, but it hasn't really caught on.

nocturne flax
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Give me mod

hexed vapor
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Two mod replied to it to stop it, and then that was that.

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No other input.

prisma zodiac
hexed vapor
prisma zodiac
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but yea ill be there when you down

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im free today

deft kiln
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Is the best idea

lyric knot
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Is r3d1 the only level with the big mother?

real moss
lyric knot
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I don't remember one in r7d2. Wasn't that the one where you fight the normal mother and tank at the end?

half hornet
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She's so boringly rare

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More antlers!

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Such a scary enemy

real moss
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most go in tank side

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that's probably why

lyric knot
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Ah, actually I do remember that now. I was usually the one holding off the error waves.

real moss
lyric knot
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I have been playing the solo trials modpack recently, its very good. I'd love to see some of those features in the vanilla game.

nocturne flax
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solo mod

coop game

kek

lyric knot
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Its still 4 player

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Idk its called solotrials

deft kiln
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Oh no

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because it is balanced for a single player to clear

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It is meant to be done solo

lyric knot
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Yeah that would make sense but I can't imagine the f level being possible without at least 3 bots

deft kiln
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It is maybe one of the hard less levels I have seen

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Beaten by a few players amazing clears

lyric knot
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Hardest or hardless?

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I dropped in and died before I even saw my feet

deft kiln
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Hardest my auto type be werid sometimes

nocturne flax
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Can we pls have mutating boss from sector 21

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better

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super cool boss

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or i think its sector 21

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i play many modded shit everything overlaps

lyric knot
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The new enemy types are so refreshing compared to the very lacking variety in the base game

nocturne flax
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since all the dinguses have the same idea

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and they think theyre original

deft kiln
nocturne flax
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oh wow

deft kiln
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Enemies that grab

nocturne flax
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never seen that before

deft kiln
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enemies that are more invisible

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enemies that are more defensive

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Projectile spam

nocturne flax
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enemies that send you flying closer to them!!!!

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super fun and original

deft kiln
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I think that is it

nocturne flax
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totally super well implemented

prisma zodiac
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exploding enemies (those are actually a cool idea if youd visually combo them with infection in their bodies and dont make them just mines in an enemy)

lyric knot
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Should be an enemy like half life 2 that is on the ceiling and picks you up when you walk under it.

nocturne flax
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kekw

deft kiln
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?

nocturne flax
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not yet

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but i assume its broken as shit

prisma zodiac
deft kiln
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XD

nocturne flax
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i can connect to my friend alpha from vietnam

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and have them introduced patch free

deft kiln
nocturne flax
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have you seen the inta max infection scout!!!

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super fun to play against

deft kiln
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I love max infection scout

nocturne flax
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vanilla doesnt have a variety problem

deft kiln
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What about mom with giant animations

nocturne flax
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vanilla have the right amount of enemies

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its just that they dont mix them often

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and thats where they strenght lies

deft kiln
nocturne flax
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yeah but something more unique

deft kiln
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especially if they interact with lots of systems

nocturne flax
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not shit debuff and dot

lyric knot
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Vanilla enemies are the same everywhere. I liked the brawlers and grabbers mixed in.

deft kiln
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yeah not snatcher or immortal

nocturne flax
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theres a reason why infectious shooter is not in

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or its not in yet

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its shit

half hornet
real moss
deft kiln
nocturne flax
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lol

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tank and mom its a support unit

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you guys are just not ready

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for that convo

deft kiln
nocturne flax
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blame the dev

deft kiln
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Very often

nocturne flax
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ill keep blaming them

deft kiln
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Based tbh

nocturne flax
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look

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il doit right now

lyric knot
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Invisible charger tank

nocturne flax
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@broken scarab Have more situations for your enemies to be mix in!!!

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theres always one or another!!!

vernal stratus
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Where’s Pmom error alarm Calle

nocturne flax
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come on calle

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fix the game

deft kiln
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XD

nocturne flax
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Im kidding we love you calle

deft kiln
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it is just your monitor settings

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Dragon you need to fix them

nocturne flax
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fix the lighting

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too bright

lyric knot
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How about fix the extraction scans so bots actually stand in them for once

nocturne flax
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bro

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out of all the thing to fix on bots

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ytou want that kekw

lyric knot
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I don't want bots to carry me

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I just want them to work properly

nocturne flax
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💀

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pls stop

lyric knot
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That and not picking up items in combat

deft kiln
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Which levels does this even matter for

nocturne flax
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nowhere

lyric knot
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R6d4

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Makes it 10x harder

nocturne flax
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what

deft kiln
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That extraction is very fast

nocturne flax
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how about we actually fix them not going into scans instead

lyric knot
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Not when in it solo with a surge behind yoy

nocturne flax
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thats sounds a lot more important

deft kiln
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It isn’t a surge

lyric knot
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Its an error surge

deft kiln
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No it isn’t

lyric knot
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The end of r6d4?

deft kiln
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Yeah it is an old misconception

lyric knot
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I played it yesterday its definitely not a normal error

nocturne flax
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error its just a way to describe an alarm that just spawns stuff

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error can be everything

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tank error
baby error

lyric knot
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Error is an alarm that doesn't end when you scan

nocturne flax
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what do you mean you can end a error alarm

deft kiln
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XD

lyric knot
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Some of them yes but others no

nocturne flax
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LMAO

deft kiln
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dragon trolling is hard

cosmic quail
lyric knot
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Yeah I know, I've beaten almost every level in the game with bots, I kinda know whats going on

deft kiln
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Yeah but it isn’t a surge error

nocturne flax
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You must play this game a lot

deft kiln
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If you play it with four you can literally have downtime

lyric knot
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I play enough to lose my mind

deft kiln
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when you kill them to fast

lyric knot
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Idk the bots just don't kill fast enough

deft kiln
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I can pull up the block if you want

lyric knot
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I have to use the cottage cheese cannon

deft kiln
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I would just solo that part probs will be easier

lyric knot
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Id get overrun

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I'm not good at kiting them

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I usually have enough time to get the cell into the generator but then the cfoam stops holding them

deft kiln
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Do you also lose the door ?

lyric knot
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Yes

deft kiln
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Maybe you take the longer route down middle to save it for longer then

lyric knot
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If I had a mine last time I would have gotten it done, but I needed 2 cfoam launchers to buy enough time

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And I took a burst sentry which wasn't very useful

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Once I get d4 done its just the e-tiers and the C2 level with overload thunderdome

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I don't get how people can do c2PE with bots

nocturne flax
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r5c2?

atomic escarp
#

Which c2

lyric knot
#

I think it was r5

nocturne flax
#

you can leave the scan

lyric knot
#

It had overload right away

nocturne flax
#

kek

atomic escarp
nocturne flax
#

not even your strat

lyric knot
#

I just witnessed what came out of those doors and said nope

nocturne flax
#

its the shit that makes sence

atomic escarp
#

Its mine

nocturne flax
#

cuz you gotta cheese that shit

#

cuz bots

atomic escarp
#

I only did it cuz tank

nocturne flax
#

i mean its easier to hold too

lyric knot
#

I love when the bots with full ammo decide its time to try to melee the giant chargers running full speed

atomic escarp
#

Nnnyooom

lyric knot
#

I still think the new auto sentry is trash and the shotgun one too, maybe give me a flamethrower turret from rust and I'll be okay.

fresh bronze
lyric knot
#

Yeah they really are but sometimes they can clutch when it comes to security scans and holding resources

#

Or lock melters

#

And not use them...

cosmic quail
atomic escarp
#

Mmmm yes

cosmic quail
#

:D

lyric knot
#

Give them anything to kill me with... sure

nocturne flax
#

S tier on bots

cosmic quail
#

Give them burst

#

:Dddd

#

Scatter :D

lyric knot
#

When the bots came out in r6 I used to give them scatter guns and that was mot ideal

atomic escarp
nocturne flax
#

bruh

lyric knot
#

One sleeper wakes up and my run ends

#

I don't think they should have friendly fire at all so we can at least give them better guns

atomic escarp
#

Dauda: thats a nice exposed backside u got there

nocturne flax
#

what better guns

lyric knot
#

Shotguns or semi auto guns

nocturne flax
#

high cal theyre slow as shit with it and when they go "jhon wick mode" they miss 99%

frail horizon
#

or burst cannons

nocturne flax
#

you want ff off

lyric knot
#

Burst cannon kinda sucks tho, it's not as good as it was when it was rundown specific

nocturne flax
#

no

#

lmao

atomic escarp
frail horizon
#

land most of their shots on you

#

with great accuracy

atomic escarp
#

Never specified who is gettin blasted PirateSimon

lyric knot
#

My favourite is when you are setting up defenses and Hackett just needs to walk through the door you just closed and get lost for 5 minutes.

nocturne flax
#

Burst canon would be the definite bot weapon

#

if ff its off

frail horizon
#

even better when you're closing the door for enemies

prisma zodiac
cosmic quail
#

Mmmmm

lyric knot
#

Its ammo is terrible, no canceling shots. Its just bad overall.

nocturne flax
#

L take

frail horizon
#

it 1 shots strikers

lyric knot
#

My moms high heel one shots strikers

cosmic quail
atomic escarp
#

Its a Giant/boss killer not a jack of all the trades

lyric knot
#

I am a firm believer in pdw and machine-gun, I don't think ill ever change my loadout.

atomic escarp
#

Bp lookin hot tho

cosmic quail
#

M

lyric knot
#

Bp?

cosmic quail
#

Hel rifle bot

#

:D

lyric knot
#

Hel no

cosmic quail
#

Dmr sniper bot

lyric knot
#

Just give the bots a rocket launcher at that point

cosmic quail
#

Hel shotgun combat shotgun bot

half hornet
cosmic quail
#

Yea

lyric knot
#

I havent really used it much, kinda shot too fast without the ammo capacity to back it up

half hornet
#

It got buffed recently, a much better gun now but you gotta know when to let go of the trigger.

cosmic quail
#

1 pres DMG in primary

atomic escarp
lyric knot
#

Yeah I have that problem with the machine gun, half the time I'm shooting the enemies, other times I'm recoiling into the ceiling.

cosmic quail
#

Pull down

#

:D

lyric knot
#

Yeah I know, but in the heat of the moment the ceiling needs a few warning shots

cosmic quail
#

Yes

half hornet
#

You can always switch to the other machine gun, it got basically no recoil when ADSing, but not as good at close range

lyric knot
#

I'm usually just hip firing with the pdw and machinegun

#

I just want that vision rifle from solotrials in the vanilla game

#

It was like the presicion rifle without a 60 year reload and thermal scope

#

It would be nice if you could change the sights on guns

kind swan
#

Well. Throwing thermals onto other weapons changes balance if you heavily rely on it.

#

I customized my weapons cosmetically but I keep the thermals on the guns they are supposed to be on.

winter wharf
kind swan
#

Id have to check again.

#

I have my guns all set to different FoVs for aiming

winter wharf
#

If it does then it's not cosmetic lmao

kind swan
#

Imean basically all my sights are like 1x

#

What more do you want.

winter wharf
#

For the zoom to be unchanged from the base gun

#

I'm not really someone who wants anything that changes the gameplay

kind swan
#

Idk about others

#

But I don't keep the zoom of sights

winter wharf
#

So you modify how the guns work?

kind swan
#

I could put sniper scope and aim it with 1x zoom like AR Reflex

kind swan
#

The guns performance itself doesn't change outside of that

#

I even said I run 1x fov on ads. So my zoom levels aren't enhanced like that

#

I don't just get extra zoom

#

If anything I break snipe scopes messing with fov settings

#

It puts the scope big up to my face but doesn't actually zoom closer to the target in sight at all

deft kiln
lyric knot
#

Try playing solo with bots on d tier and tell me its easy

velvet linden
#

its easy

rare hatch
#

nah try playing solo with controller

nocturne flax
#

Gtfo player wiouth friends playing with bots making playing with bots theyre entire personality

#

Like that soundless guy

lyric knot
#

I had friends until gtfo

#

And I still do

#

Bishop Hackett and dauda

#

Who needs friends anyways? My schizophrenia keeps me engaged in many conversations at once.

velvet linden
#

shame you dont have that then

lyric knot
#

Don't have what?

velvet linden
#

schizophrenia

lyric knot
#

Well unfortunately I do

#

Not as bad as some people but I do have to take meds to quite it down

#

Thats one of the reasons I prefer to play solo. I've got bad anxiety and the thorazine makes me loopy

prisma zodiac
lyric knot
#

D tier in rundowns 1-3 aren't real d tiers

deft kiln
#

You aren’t a real d teir unless you are difficult didn’t you know

velvet linden
#

what about r2d1 statistics

lyric knot
#

That one isn't that hard.. fog is annoying but the threats are not anything near rundown 4 and 5

prisma zodiac
#

pe or not pe

#

that is the question

velvet linden
#

but its the best level in the game

lyric knot
#

R2 has no pe

prisma zodiac
#

thats why r4/5…

prisma zodiac
deft kiln
#

Yeah but you are measuring r2 no pe with r5 pe

prisma zodiac
#

SHAME

velvet linden
#

i cant get another clear

lyric knot
#

R2d1 main vs R4D1 main id still say R4d1 is harder

prisma zodiac
#

whatcha at

#

R4D1 is a reactor lol

velvet linden
#

50th must be the smg only clear

prisma zodiac
lyric knot
#

Yeah and leading up to the reactor is harder stealth than any of r2d1

prisma zodiac
#

what

deft kiln
#

??? But

prisma zodiac
#

r4d1

#

and stealth

velvet linden
lyric knot
#

Is that not the one where you have to stealth clear chargers before you open the apex door with 3 full team scans in one sequence?

deft kiln
#

No

#

That is r5d1

lyric knot
#

Okay my bad

deft kiln
#

And r5d1 main isn’t that much harder than r2d2 or r3d1

#

It is just a stealth check

rare hatch
#

r5d1 main is just long

deft kiln
#

Yeah it is r1d1 but long

#

Even with bots the worst part is the tank fight

lyric knot
#

Bots don't do anything to tanks it sucks

velvet linden
#

try better bots

#

my favorite mod

deft kiln
#

Yeah but you do have an amazing tank tile right before it

#

So it isn’t that big of an issue

lyric knot
#

But wouldn't the bots still shoot the front of the tank?

deft kiln
#

No for solo tank

#

You have infinite time

#

You can afk for scream with all bots dead

nocturne flax
#

Bots shoot the tumors

#

they dont shoot the front nor anything

broken scarab
half hornet
#

Now I will be disappointed if its not the case

half hornet
# broken scarab R8A1

On topic... Will you escalate the dev leaks this time? Maybe one leak once a month? This is last the chance. The last Dev and the last Leak.

wary olive
#

lol

velvet linden
#

can the last leak be mono

livid heath
broken scarab
native lily
#

pmom surge error

cosmic quail
#

:D\

#

immortal surge error :D

#

its just ass

kind swan
#

Baby surge

#

Class 10

real moss
kind swan
#

Idk any alarms that just spawn baby strikers

#

Aside from them just being already in rooms and woken

real moss
kind swan
real moss
#

And do it on the tile from R6D4 first alarm

balmy robin
#

Baby surge would be hilarious. The Baby blood doors were quite fun

#

(Or blood doors leading to a room full of babies, like R6D2)

kind swan
#

@daring pilot idea

#

Baby striker Surge

real moss
kind swan
balmy robin
#

That ladder made my day when we first played this expedition

real moss
#

Poor Dak

balmy robin
#

Watching them jump

#

"Weeeeeee"

kind swan
real moss
#

so.... sorry

kind swan
#

There was a hallway with spitters covering like every other foot down a hallway

daring pilot
#

this was in funny testing, not the actual level

kind swan
#

Basically without flashing they would just insta infect/kill you

daring pilot
#

auri said "what if 500 spitters?" and it only escalated from there

kind swan
daring pilot
#

go play D4

kind swan
real moss
kind swan
#

Unfortunately I am @Work

real moss
#

they can't damage you they just continuously splash

real moss
kind swan
#

Iirc thugernaut said that too

#

Infection spitter but no damage

real moss
#

Actually no. they canxkeep 5he damage

#

better challenge

kind swan
#

Curious if he is able to limit it to 1/2 LRFs

#

Or is he going to provide none for those parts

livid heath
#

@kind swan

#

u up?

delicate wigeon
#

Ok wow r7b3 PE feels really damn hard for a B-tier

#

Or basically r7b3 overload is the hard stuff

cosmic quail
#

M

half hornet
#

It's the fucking chargers.

delicate wigeon
#

Especially when the hi-sec cargo bugs and becomes unpickuppable

half hornet
#

They ruin everything.

delicate wigeon
#

But even still

delicate wigeon
cosmic quail
atomic escarp
half hornet
#

It will be painful, but probably based.

cosmic quail
#

Normal

#

Play it blindfolded

#

Ong

delicate wigeon
#

Well bots is bots

cosmic quail
#

Use bio better

delicate wigeon
#

We did have a very competent bio person

cosmic quail
#

Then how did you get surprised

delicate wigeon
#

"the red triangles on the screen are closer than they appear"

cosmic quail
#

Skill issue

atomic escarp
atomic escarp
delicate wigeon
#

What i meant is
No turbine = suprise strikers

cosmic quail
#

Bio simultaneously sleep and high on 200000 illegal substances

atomic escarp
#

u have a visual indicator wym

#

surprise

cosmic quail
#

Bro cannot see

delicate wigeon
#

And i mean of course it's a skill issue, i began by saying the level feels really hard 😄

cosmic quail
#

Smh my head

atomic escarp
half hornet
#

It's one of few levels that grew on me over time

narrow gulch
#

Why tf

half hornet
#

Map is a little bit boring, but I like the finale

narrow gulch
#

Would you ignore turbine

cosmic quail
#

:D

delicate wigeon
#

I do really like the design, with the hsu vault

#

And the finale is super intense

narrow gulch
#

You have a carry item already so it's not slowing you and 2 ppl is plenty for the error

half hornet
#

I really like the shanty by the river, very cozy place

delicate wigeon
#

Yes

#

And i got to say "they're coming in from the gulch"

#

Win in itself

#

But mostly my point to begin was that it's surprisingly harsh for a b grade

cosmic quail
#

R7C3

#

:D

#

Fun level

delicate wigeon
#

I've done b grade PE solo with bots but this, maaaaan

cosmic quail
#

Oh yeah gl doing it with bots lmao

delicate wigeon
#

Def not happening any time soon lol

half hornet
#

PEs reliably increase level tier by +1

delicate wigeon
#

Oh it's an x thing

balmy robin
#

Actually, they raise it by approximately +2 (C3PE would be like a low E-tier)

delicate wigeon
#

Noooow it starts to make sense

delicate wigeon
#

Waiting to get to do it with my main posse

half hornet
#

B3 has a story?...

cosmic quail
#

Ain't no way you just said posse

delicate wigeon
delicate wigeon
cosmic quail
#

.

#

real

idle nacelle
#

reminds me I have to deal with r7c2 at some point

#

I am rapidly running out of levels to use to procrastinate

kind swan
half hornet
#

It's a pretty nice level, although i have my doubts for overload.

pliant pasture
#

reminds me of an R4 or R5 level

#

⏰ PI_monikasleepy

deft kiln
hexed vapor
#

What's the Payday 3 drama?

#

Also, peak Steam Forums over there.

#

It's like what R7D1 is to GTFO.

balmy robin
#

Sounds like fun

hexed vapor
#

Reminds me of Darktide tbh, skimming.

#

Actually, has there been a single horde shooter since DRG that hasn't flopped?

prisma zodiac
#

How many are there?

hexed vapor
#

Back4Blood, Darktide, and PAYDAY 3.

#

I guess not that many, but it's a good number of entries for this market imo.

#

Darktide actually looks like it's recovering.

balmy robin
#

Slowly but surely yes

hexed vapor
#

I really don't get the gaming market tbh.

#

Is it really worth it to accept a bad first impression and then patch things together over time?

#

Is it all about initial sales?

delicate wigeon
#

I played darktide a few days ago since the new character system came and realized qhy i dont like it. It's like the actual gameplay is just a secondary thing compared to character builds and getting an rng weapon with 2% better damage than before

#

Like the missions feel like whatever let's just grind through so we get to the fun part of optimizing perks and rolling for guns

prisma zodiac
hexed vapor
#

Funding might be an issue, yeah.

prisma zodiac
#

and i feel like the potential loss of long term sales (via sequels/other titles) is either not significant enough of a risk (maybe they bet on people forgetting) or they dont care at all

#

its a issue of the whole gaming market rn tbh

coarse berry
hexed vapor
#

I guess you see that with GTFO tbh.

#

Right, whales.

hexed vapor
#

long-term

prisma zodiac
#

has nintendo pushed anything high quality recently outside of zelda totk (before that odyssey and botw)

Any good story horror games?
Etc etc

coarse berry
#

do nintendo even make horror games?

hexed vapor
#

I think horror is meant in general.

#

I.e. Amnesia the Dark Descent-esque titles.

#

The best games I can think of tend to be indie, yeah.

#

Plenty of good games in recent times, but in a sea of mid-to-bad.

atomic escarp
hexed vapor
#

/consumers'

atomic escarp
#

I tend not to listen to what people think especially if its a game im interested in and wanna try

livid heath
atomic escarp
#

Ive Seen Many eager for the New prince of persia game
I personally didnt liké it one bit
Def kills thé vibes of what thé séries was all about
A 2d platformer just aint it

sullen hemlock
#

what rundown is the snatcher level on?

plush basin
sullen hemlock
#

so that's where it's first seen?

plush basin
#

Not exactly

winter wharf
#

In terms of release date, yeah

plush basin
#

Rundown 7 was released before the alt rundowns

winter wharf
#

Otherwise if you're doing other missions in r5 you can see snatcher

plush basin
#

But snatcher now features in "earlier" numbered rundowns

half hornet
# sullen hemlock what rundown is the snatcher level on?

Originally snatchers were introduced in R7 C1 and consequently appear on R7 C3, D1 and maybe some other level i don't remember.
After that they were retroactively addded to some of the ALT rundowns, most notably you will encounter one in... R5 A2, i think? In like first 20 minutes of the level. Much better introduction too, imho.

I think they appear in a couple of other ALT levels too, but i wouldn't be able to tell you which ones.

real moss
cosmic quail
#

wtf

real moss
cosmic quail
#

m

#

seems legit

plush basin
#

Better than the unique corpse littered room in R7C1??

real moss
half hornet
#

Its quick and you get to 1v1 it without additional bullshit going on.

#

C1 wins for atmospheric introduction, but A2 just gets the job done.

real moss
#

C1 is way better as it teaches you the danger of the snatcher

#

If it snatches you in A2 nothing happens, no consequences

half hornet
#

Yes, that's how a good tutorial does it.

real moss
#

in C1 you out the scan, meaby in between a wave

cosmic quail
#

wait what is a2 sec

real moss
half hornet
#

Murdering the player by introducing a new mechanic in the middle of something else going on is bad tutorialism.

plush basin
real moss
#

If you want to teach something you need to hurt the player

cosmic quail
real moss
real moss
half hornet
#

At least i'm thankful for the checkpoint right before that bit, so i guess i can let it slide.

#

You only lose like... 10 minutes tops.

real moss
half hornet
#

And another +5 for looting the room again, but whatever....

plush basin
#

😂

#

Its hard to tell if its for satire at this point

real moss
prisma zodiac
#

or what

#

because snatcher in r7c1 is a perfect intro for it

#

teaches about how it works
While also being interesting

cosmic quail
#

no

#

theres not enough bodies

half hornet
# prisma zodiac Man bloodborne rly has bad level design then i guess? In your opinion the best ...

Tell me what you're specifically reffering to and we can talk about that.
FromS tutorials are very quick and very basic: it tells you the buttons, gives you some 1-hit zombies to test your moves on and then it hits ya with the first boss that's actually a threat and that's where the game starts "for real", after that its a freefall.

And even then they usually have the decency of introducing new enemies carefully and 1 by 1, usually by having a new knight guy walk out from that doorway ahead and greeting you with a 1v1 duel. Then they slowly escalate it from there.

prisma zodiac
#

bloodborne, specifically the first actual area, teaches the player incredibly well without making it an actual tutorial

This includes throwing a massive group of enemies at you if you go a certain path

#

and gtfo does the same generally

I think the only time a major enemy isnt cleanly introduced is the tank

Shadow and bbc introductions are quite rough tbf

cosmic quail
#

when were bbcs introduced

#

shadows were in r1d1 right?

#

or

#

before?

prisma zodiac
#

R4C3 for a main level iirc

cosmic quail
#

ah

prisma zodiac
#

R1D1 for shadows

#

Alt R6BX is imo one of the best shadow intros

cosmic quail
#

shadow giant error :D

plain saddle
#

R7B2 doesn't do a bad job of it either, they're behind a secondary - a bit of a surprise with the first alarm, but then they let you ease in with some stealth

cosmic quail
#

do any scout variations get intros or

#

do they just exist

plush basin
#

R5B1 Overload is the most you get I'd say

plain saddle
#

charger scout gets a decent one, ye

plush basin
#

for C scout anyway

cosmic quail
#

hm

plush basin
#

First shadow scout I recall was R4C2Ov

#

they are kinda on their own I think

cosmic quail
#

im guessing stuff like fliers are just introduced with destination

prisma zodiac
#

R6B1

#

and R6AX

#

respectively

#

Flyers have good intros

cosmic quail
#

hm

half hornet
real moss
#

like bruh

#

You got AGES to prepare

#

It's for shadowed by a 1000 clues

#

If you get ambushed, you just not playing right

cosmic quail
#

hey i mean even i was prepared so...

#

thats saying something

real moss
#

first try

half hornet
#

Im not saying C1 intro is bad, just saying it gets to be inferior by virtue of being harder in context.
Althouh there's a couple of counter arguments to be made, so Ill think about it.

real moss
cosmic quail
#

shoot scouts with hel autopistol

balmy robin
half hornet
# real moss inferior cause harder..... mah man

After thinking about it I think C1 wins.
A2 is a great start, but it lacks substance. After showing me the enemy once I should be hit with them proper (in alarm) right after that, but instead next time you see one is C2 by which point you probably already forgot the lesson.

C1 just does both right off the bat. Still a little bit too tight a package, imho, but thank lord for the convinient checkpoint. It even ensures the leeson is really driven home since you can just keep taking double takes and don't have to do the whole 40 minutes prelude each time.

real moss
nocturne flax
#

I used for the first time in gtfo history Complex/Service/Geomorphs/Maintenance/geo_64x64_service_floodways_HA_06.prefab",
this tile

#

variant

half hornet
#

And what's the significance of this

nocturne flax
#

its good for gameplay

#

when the game actually becomes fun

half hornet
#

Screenshot of tile?

hexed vapor
# cosmic quail when were bbcs introduced

R3D1 for alts, but originally it would have been R4D1 where they show up in a single reactor wave. R4D2 is the only other place you'd see them, sleeping in Secondary and at the end of Main, until extention.

hexed vapor
#

And then R5 introduced fresh players via R5B1.

silent kettle
#

some1 forgot r4c3

velvet linden
#

to this day, rayalot72's reputation has never recovered

winter wharf
#

Release r4 sucked

late bloom
winter wharf
#

No hel revo no sniper sentry no r4e1

#

No reason to live

nocturne flax
#

R4 loadouts its truly a sickness

#

donate to the nearest biocom to help the cause

late bloom
late bloom
nocturne flax
#

release r4 was actually hard

#

aside from burst canon

#

but ten hel revo pen 5 2.3 stagger 1 shooting giants with sniper sentry with back damage

velvet linden
#

remember what they took from you

silent kettle
#

ppl still used autosentry anyways

#

omg autosentry meta it can stagger the enemies

velvet linden
#

bring 2 for any surge alarm!!11!

half hornet
#

Try to justify HEL sentry's existence challenge (impossible)

atomic escarp
#

Hel shotgun does a better job than auto sentry

velvet linden
#

but then you have to use hel shotgun

atomic escarp
#

Yes

velvet linden
#

this is a tragedy in and of itself

atomic escarp
#

Lynch yourself

narrow gulch
#

Nonbeliever spotted

velvet linden
#

sorry, im very busy winning with guns that dont shoot cardboard

fallow wasp
#

Oi is auto sentey any good now?

narrow gulch
#

No

fallow wasp
#

F

#

Not that I weep for it. I am partial to the sniper sentry

half hornet
#

It's not jackshit useless, but still needs a couple more buffs.

#

Give it 1000 ammo, come on

velvet linden
#

(it is jackshit useless)

fallow wasp
#

I think that fundamentally it isn’t as good as the others because usually killing an enemy is better than giving them the stumbles

half hornet
#

Exactly

#

So it can only win by sheer longevity

#

Which it doesn't, currently.

fallow wasp
#

It would be good if it were an incredibly ammo efficient option

half hornet
#

That's what I've been saying

velvet linden
#

needs bio symbiosis

fallow wasp
#

Bio symbiosis is such a weird thing

half hornet
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I'm honestly turning around on it. Delete it, make sentries perform normal without it.
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Or make burst use it too. With a nerf to base efficiency.

velvet linden
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that just makes bio even more of an always-pick

half hornet
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Yeah, but... It already is. Might as well commit to the bit.

fallow wasp
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Let’s be fair, when’s the last time you did a serious run without bio

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Because I can’t remember any

velvet linden
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bio is already extremely useful

fallow wasp
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Burst with bio symbiosis would make it omega godly

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Already the baseline pick

velvet linden
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so it doesnt need to be necessary in order to get the basic function out of your sentries

fallow wasp
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If you bring a sentry it’s usually burst, maybe sniper, sometimes but very rarely auto or shotgun

half hornet
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Either everyone is bio slave or no one is, simple as

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Lack of bio clutch is just one more reason to take burst over any other. It's self-sufficient AND efficient.

fallow wasp
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I usually prefer using bio because it means I don’t need tool, I can sneak through rooms better, and it gives me the funny beep beep screen

half hornet
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The rest are eating crayons before bio and eat them slightly slower after.

fallow wasp
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If you ever feel like nobody cares, just bring bio and never ping. People will be calling, nay, screaming your name

half hornet
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Either that or the rest of the cast should be OP while under bio

fallow wasp
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I just wish that you could aim down sights to narrow the cone but increase the range of the bio tracker

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Would make it a little nicer for players, and give some sort of an edge up on bots just having full 360° coverage

west crow
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They should have giant scan lines emanating from the biotracker to show the distance of your scan 🙂

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Like it's mapping for you...

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A mapper of sorts...

winter wharf
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They already ping further than players

fallow wasp
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I didn't say it would make it equal

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just a bit of an extra boon

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pretty hard to beat bot pinging

winter wharf
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It isn't an edge against bots at all though with their extra ping range, I'm saying

fallow wasp
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so giving players an option at slight extra ping range is entirely pointless by that perspective

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any way to bring player bio closer to the power of bot bio is an edge up, regardless of how minute it seems

fresh bronze
winter wharf
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Yes, it's an improvement but the words edge up aren't great to communicate that

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Because it implies something different to what you're saying

fresh bronze
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bots either gotta be significantly worse or players need to be significantly better

winter wharf
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Bots probably don't need the range tbh

fresh bronze
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if im correct bots can ping 2 rooms away

winter wharf
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Probably a set distance but pretty much

fresh bronze
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just cut it to 1 room away and now they are only a bit better than players which makes up for lacking stealth use of biotracker

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bot bio really needs nerfed and player bio is honestly fine as is

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maybe a bit wider of a scan radius would be the only change id care about

fresh bronze
nocturne flax
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I think your not pinging correctly