#gtfo-spoiler-chat

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fresh bronze
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yeah im talkin ax i havent gotten to anything lower

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just starting the rundown

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i dont remember much about my original r6 experience

deft kiln
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we remebered everything and the optiamal strats

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very fun doing it all again

fresh bronze
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tbf tho i only spent like 20 hours doing r6 when it dropped

deft kiln
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yeah 100 clears on these maps make them ingrained

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like second nature

tough atlas
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Yeah I also dont get why they changed their names

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Compared to the other maps of the same rundown I feel they're kinda ok at the old designation

fresh bronze
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man it was jarring to go from clearing a1 in 15 minutes to needing to reset because we where expecting knife to be passable

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so many giants

tough atlas
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just shoot?

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I think that zone has 4-6, right?

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Not counting alarm that can have some

fresh bronze
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we just meleed with knives until either we died or they did

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we actually cleared all the stealth zones up until one giant went caveman lag extreme mode and beyblade riped our assholes out

tough atlas
coarse berry
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give 'em the birmingham special

tough atlas
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Southavon upon Don under Bridgechester Field Castleham

winter wharf
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I don't know what the fuck you're saying but I'm really hoping I don't get stabbed here in Newcastle upon Tyne

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Some random Irish knobhead in a mask and santonian overalls is gonna come after me now, isn't he

tough atlas
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No but in Newcaster upon Kingporthampton it's dangerous

winter wharf
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I'd tell you to fuck off but taking the piss here is actually funny

tough atlas
tough atlas
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It's 12 Bongs

winter wharf
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Sod off ye twat

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I don wanna talk to ye

tough atlas
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I opened Britain's map to find new names to make fun of but they basically did that by themselves already

winter wharf
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At least its not our settlements are funny

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The US just went "but what if it was square?" for every fucking place in existence

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Terrible settlement planning

tough atlas
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"Farthingstone" "Cold Higham"

still mica
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I thought it was kinda weird

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The audio log with Schaefer

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Where has asks for the 16 digits of your credit card number and the three special KDS numbers on the back

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Something about buying the warden

crystal oriole
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It's free real estate.

tough atlas
fresh bronze
lusty ember
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well... through with alt r6a1 to c1... I'm incredibly saddened to see they absolutely NEUTERED the final scan of c1... T_T

twin dirge
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my balls now

lusty ember
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didn't see one single hybrid

deft kiln
bold widget
lusty ember
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i distinctly remember sentries always hitting 0% ammo and there being FAR more enemies on top of you when you came up the final stairwell

bold widget
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Had them

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You just got unlucky

lusty ember
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hybrids always showed during the final catwalk right before the sfinal stairwell...

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this time... nothing...

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lol.... unlucky... unlucky with mobs on us on stairs 35 times out of 35 times?

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not kidding on the 35 either

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nah... something's definitely different in terms of spawn density

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otherwise at least 1 sentry would be fully at 0% ammo

deft kiln
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it has been a year

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and sentries pretty strong

lusty ember
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same burst sentry. so either burst got buffed or cpu speed reduced

deft kiln
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if you properly set up the old one you dont see sleepers

coarse berry
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was the c1 scan supposed to be that easy?

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I fired my gun like 3 times up until it finished

real moss
half hornet
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One uplink done. One left.

half hornet
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R6B2 done. Only took 2 hours.

wary olive
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👑

ornate crow
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what's the R6C3 Overload tank error timer?

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me and my friend just did a 45 minute PE and fought like...at least 5 tanks lol

last gust
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wait, are you trying to meme on me?

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there's no one special which does everything pump does, better than pump does it

deft kiln
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high cal?

last gust
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bosses

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high cal is ass into mommy/tank

deft kiln
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combat?

wary olive
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im memeing you on your take that its mandatory to learn pump, but not the r6 vet thing

last gust
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if I chose the word "mandatory" as an off-cuff way to describe pump's situation in weapon balance and now the toxic vets are off memeing about that, that's pretty sad

wary olive
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im basically an r6 player too

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✊

last gust
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but whatever

deft kiln
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i think combat and high cal might be better shotgun will teach you good fundmentals

last gust
deft kiln
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i understand

deft kiln
winter wharf
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Better baby clear but I think pump is still better into tumours

deft kiln
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yeah

last gust
winter wharf
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Or at least for solo vs mom you'd take pump for the 1 mag, I think anyway

deft kiln
wary olive
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describing guns as "mandatory" and focusing on weapon stats downplays other underlying fundamentals to gameplay that are more important

deft kiln
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if you pub you will have to shoot baby if you are trying to kill mom pump

last gust
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different guns are good at different things

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you don't have to sweat on exact weapon stats to see that

wary olive
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no, by underlying fundamentals i mean more things like decision making and movement, which are more important than gun choice to a large extent

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its why i have a gripe with things like dps of weapons being focused on so heavily at times

last gust
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okay, but then why bother arguing about weapon balance ever then?

wary olive
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i dont really

last gust
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then I guess we come at the game from different angles

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yes decision making and movement and the like are a huge part of the puzzle

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but I'm absolutely going to try to gear weapon choices towards making a run go through

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even if I could force hel gun every time and make it work with some amount of extra fundamentals or whatever

wary olive
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and even then, once you have a mastery of the fundamentals, then gun choices can make a difference when it comes to roles, different obstacles presented in maps

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but describing to a new player that a certian gun is maindatory to learn is like leading the cart before the horse

last gust
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ehh, I think you're obsessing over one word

wary olive
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or however that saying goes

last gust
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if you like I won't use "mandatory" in future, but these are some serious eggshells I'm walking on around here

wary olive
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idc what words u use lol

deft kiln
solemn wigeon
deft kiln
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mandotroy is just funny and at least a new convo

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we are dying for content

last gust
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in context, a new player asks "what are the good specials to learn" or some variant of that

deft kiln
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i would gen say hel gun

solemn wigeon
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Hel gun lol

last gust
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I tell them to learn

  • a waveclear gun
  • a gun what kills big threats/bosses at range
  • pump shotty, because it's unique in its fight into both waves and bigs/bosses up close
solemn wigeon
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Could you imagine your charge up time being 3x as long as it used to be

deft kiln
ornate crow
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hel gun is fucking dead

deft kiln
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pump tank is really cool

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na

last gust
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yes the new player could just hyperfocus hel gun or veruta or whatever and grind enough fundamentals to make all three roles work

ornate crow
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okay well it's not dead but holy crap that charge up

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You really have to think a bit ahead to use it

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probably wouldn't recommend it to a new player anymore

deft kiln
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yeah i still think it might be best or at least top 5

solemn wigeon
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I can take a shower in the time it takes to charge up 1 shot

last gust
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but if they're gonna be moderately competent and want to fill basically any vacant role on a team, imo that's a good kind of mix of guns to be able to bring

ornate crow
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it's still super good but it's not like

0.1s charge up melting giants and solo holding surge waves

0.2s solo holding surge waves

deft kiln
last gust
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also imo one of the biggest failings of special balance is that 10cc hasn't really provided many options to run in place of pump shotty

ornate crow
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now you have to, god forbid, use your brain

olive shoal
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high cal?

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combat?

deft kiln
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werid

last gust
olive shoal
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its pretty ok into bosses

ornate crow
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New players should use choke mod woohoo choke mod sweeerp

last gust
deft kiln
solemn wigeon
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High cal is strong but frustrating to use. 6 shots with absurd recoil.

Combat shotty is ass

wary olive
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just tell the new player to learn sniper and machine gun then

olive shoal
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not scattergun or burst cannon good but its an ok pick

deft kiln
solemn wigeon
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I dont and have never used combat

deft kiln
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then you just dont understand

ornate crow
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also what's the deal with pump shotty

solemn wigeon
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Default shotgun or nothin

ornate crow
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It actually does everything but the range is uhh

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it's ass

winter wharf
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I love speedrunning r1a1 with combat shotgun

ornate crow
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I don't use it myself

wary olive
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shotgun is never really needed because theres boss killers that do it better than pump, and wave clear guns that do it better

deft kiln
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nothing is needed

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come on

last gust
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imo that's a balance issue

wary olive
deft kiln
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i think pump is a good fundmental gtfo weapon

last gust
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I don't even think pump shotty's ammo is that big of an issue

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bigger issue is range

deft kiln
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if you can clear everything while pump pistol

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you made it

ornate crow
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I think people just like the generalisation

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Pump Shotty's range makes it hard as shit to use for me though

wary olive
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just dont shoot at enemies that are 30 yards away

deft kiln
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XD

last gust
wary olive
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"hel shotgun does no damage"
person is spraying the surge wave half way across the room

last gust
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being able to impact a fight at range is a powerful thing in gtfo imo, always underestimated by noobs

ornate crow
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yeah see I don't feel exactly safe fighting a wave or a hybrid or a tank at point blank

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god forbid you're on floodways

wary olive
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its better to fight a hybrid point blank

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u can bait melee swings forever

winter wharf
ornate crow
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Meh I just pick sniper and headshot the super predictable ranged attack but I guess you can do that

winter wharf
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Commendations to the chef for cooking that one up

last gust
wary olive
ornate crow
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mhmm

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Maybe 10cc should just make more charger-type mediumweight enemies then

last gust
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mostly because ahto seems to come up with a reason to bring hel rifle so often

deft kiln
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hel rilfe

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i have been enjoying

olive shoal
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what is it with people who are like

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so against high cal now

last gust
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so then I'm like, "uhh what's the glue here that gives me uptime and bossfight"

deft kiln
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lately

olive shoal
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and will go to whatever length they have to to argue against it being good

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it makes no sense

deft kiln
last gust
olive shoal
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high cal popular now = bad gun?

wary olive
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did high cal's damage get buffed to 30 again?

olive shoal
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like ?????

last gust
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r7/current high cal that is

olive shoal
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yes

deft kiln
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high cal might be the best to learn the game now

wary olive
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yes to 30?

ornate crow
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something something falloff something something charger 1shot range short boohoo

winter wharf
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30.1

wary olive
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oh thats pretty nice for it

winter wharf
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Solid gun

ornate crow
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wait no fuck hel gun is fucking dead high cal is actually good into chargers now

winter wharf
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Is it ever bad? I don't think so?

deft kiln
olive shoal
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hel gun is still very good

deft kiln
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hel gun will be strong as long as it has charger two shot

last gust
west crow
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let's hear squirrel fart out

deft kiln
ornate crow
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correction: hel gun is no longer best in slot for every situation ever

wary olive
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squirrelfart has the floor now

deft kiln
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i now will recommend high cal tbh

wary olive
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go on

deft kiln
ornate crow
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Being able to just kill six chargers on demand might be better depending on the situation than the brainiac hallway setup

last gust
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I did most of my r7 duos with high cal

winter wharf
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Oh god hel gun babies is going to suck after nerf

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Gun is dead

deft kiln
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i undertstand

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but the ability to kill all charger

ornate crow
# deft kiln "= dead"

the sun's lowness in the sky at sunset is made all the more by the existence of noon

faint vapor
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hows the scattergun?

deft kiln
deft kiln
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it is great

faint vapor
deft kiln
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yeah

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it two shots mom clients

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not a host weapon imo

ornate crow
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chargers fucking kill you by randomly jumpscaring you (at least for me), so insta deletion of six at close range is very appealing

olive shoal
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in my duos the high cal has been putting in work

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in some of these duos hel gun was feeling incredibly clean

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in these QUADS i didnt use hel rifle cause it sucks

deft kiln
last gust
deft kiln
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i hit the 5 pen

winter wharf
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Hel rifle is so pub

olive shoal
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hel rifle users are just too bad to use hel gun i think

deft kiln
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then i go crazy

deft kiln
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you are just elitist

ornate crow
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fuck you hel rifle is great, team morale boost from 5-pen offsets any weapon balance or usage cases

olive shoal
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ur just pub jish

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its the truth

west crow
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can you call me an elitie instead

olive shoal
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ur style guide will never catch on...

deft kiln
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we are going for the double double charger scout melee

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rn

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irk

deft kiln
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i have great change to my loadout when i solo levels

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i take spear

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HEar me out

ornate crow
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what

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no

deft kiln
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i play like an idiot most of the time

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so every time i pull it out i think twice

olive shoal
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in this TRIO high cal put in some wild work against tank

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you should ask @velvet linden

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oh wait

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TRIO WITH BOTS*

ornate crow
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spear is so good that whenever you pull it out you think "hold on this weapon sucks should I really do this"

olive shoal
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TRIO WITH BOT*

deft kiln
olive shoal
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jish the spear lunge goes crazy

deft kiln
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it does

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it is crazy

olive shoal
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and the lingering hitbox

deft kiln
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okay but acutally tho

last gust
olive shoal
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and the slides

last gust
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high cal into mommy is pretty sad though

deft kiln
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the spear has helped my solo so much

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and i hate it

ornate crow
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training weights

deft kiln
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i caught myself a few times taking out spear just to melee 3 guys

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and just not doing it

velvet linden
deft kiln
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har is best gnu

ornate crow
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Real and based

olive shoal
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why would high cal be bad into mom but ok into tank

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unless you mean pmom

last gust
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you pop, what, 3 tumors per clip with high cal?

ornate crow
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wtf 3?

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actually that makes sense

deft kiln
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Is it really 3

olive shoal
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thats pretty ok honestly

last gust
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it can't be more than 3

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it's not 1 tumor per shot

winter wharf
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30.1 x 3 x whatever prec multi is right

last gust
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I don't know, it reminds me of soloing mommy with hel gun

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which I've done, it's doable

deft kiln
last gust
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but I'd rather not

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a good mommy fight is something like puump, which can 1mag

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or choke even is pretty good, 2 mags but you get them fast and probably don't mind the reload that much

olive shoal
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the problem is you think about everything in the context of duo or solo

ornate crow
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good mom fight is uhhh scattergun double tap (real)

olive shoal
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i mean if im going to be soloing a mom im just taking burst cannon lmao

last gust
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like then I start agreeing more with ryk's "gun choice doesn't matter lol" take

olive shoal
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i agree with it in like 90% of duo situations too lol

last gust
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well dang, I guess skill issue for me then

winter wharf
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Yeah if you're up to snuff for most duos you can make whatever guns work for the most part

last gust
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though something like 70% of levels in vanilla duo I think I'm probably just "lol good guns"

winter wharf
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Pump shottys versatility means it's rarely a bad pick though

faint vapor
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are the armored flyers on R6AX killable?

paper harness
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shoot them in the eye

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when they open

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or in the ass

faint vapor
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I see, so ass it is

last gust
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they're a bit shy about presenting, so you'll need a surround for that

deft kiln
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they are flying immortals

paper harness
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real

faint vapor
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So just kite them

deft kiln
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Yeah

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Send one player to die to them during the room scan and make that play dc

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Once they go down

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Then send the next

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Only way it is forced player behaviour

faint vapor
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Wait doesn't all people need to be alive for team scan?

deft kiln
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Koreans strats

faint vapor
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Ah ok I see

deft kiln
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I am am advocate for alt f4 to made game easier

paper harness
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R5C2 Overload moment

patent oriole
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th fuck is the R6D4 final error spawn? jesus christ

balmy robin
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The Surge one ?

patent oriole
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yea they spawn on top of us.

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the one u grab the final cell

balmy robin
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Really the embodiement of "Stay together or Die alone"

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As long as you remain grouped they will not spawn on top of you

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but if you split up too far apart, a Surge wave can be quite disastrous :)

patent oriole
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i can tell lol. and we are together the entire time

silk yarrow
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you don't have to wait for the mouth to open for big flyers

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there's a gap between the closed mouth and you can pop it pretty easily

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and no it's barely a surge anymore, the wavesize is way smaller than original

balmy robin
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Oh, maybe it only felt like it because we got separated, the one carrying the Cell going in the wrong direction 😅
We beat it but it was hectic as F.

silk yarrow
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how

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the extract is literally a straight line now

balmy robin
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I know

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Wrong turn ...

silk yarrow
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there used to be a bait door on the left, i missed that

balmy robin
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We had also lost the door right before the generator / security door

silk yarrow
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the only thing that threw me off was generator became further in to the left

patent oriole
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LOL we got it

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but 30 spawns on top of us, audio cutting out, fml

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9 hr sessions were a mistake

silk yarrow
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well the game bugs out after 2 hrs

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surprised it survived another 7

patent oriole
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full R6 clear tho in a day

olive shoal
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I restarted every few levels LOL

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Was not risking anything

narrow gulch
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same

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9 hr sessions go hard

patent oriole
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im free

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uninstall until R8

calm coral
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yo R6D3 kinda bugged

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splitting 2 and 2 for overload error can screw up spawns

wary olive
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happened in the original too occasionally

rapid cedar
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Got a bug in r6c2 where the hybrid error alarm spawns were way too frequent than they're supposed to be

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Got fixed after restarting from checkpoint after everyone got blasted cryingskull

vestal lance
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R6C2 Secondary with 9 hybrids spawning each wave is a good meme

rapid cedar
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Actually thought for a second that it was a change and we were all debating how tf are we gonna push the mom through the bulk head door

rapid cedar
livid heath
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3 on shadows

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Sneak guy died so spawn didnt even occur

half hornet
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BX is surprisingly rough. Had no issues up to this point and suddenly the first scan was already a giant pain in the ass. Class V cluster in a large room? That's a massive jump in difficulty for a B.

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From effectively flawlessing alarms from previous levels I went to 40 HP immediately from the first scan. Cringe.

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Also sniper sentry is still stupid, even with help of BioBishop.

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The damn thing does not want to shoot.

prisma zodiac
half hornet
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And to top this all off - there's no supplies.

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2 ammo / tools per security scan, wtf

atomic escarp
half hornet
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Cringe

atomic escarp
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Taking burst or shotgun sentry is better imo

half hornet
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Hey, remember when sniper was good? For exactly 3 months?

atomic escarp
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I remember when it actually shot at stuff

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Good times

half hornet
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Last patch gives me hope. We just need to do something about burst supremacy and then the game is golden.

prisma zodiac
amber skiff
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Both were definitely good for a long time

atomic escarp
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Sniper sentry

amber skiff
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Sniper still quite good

prisma zodiac
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also sniper sentry was good from R4 to alt R2 (think the nerf was alt r3 right?)

real moss
atomic escarp
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It was r2 nerf iirc

prisma zodiac
atomic escarp
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Or my jiblets are outta place

prisma zodiac
real moss
prisma zodiac
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yep definetly still strong in alt r2, we ran it on r2b2 for a bit and used it on r2d1

tough atlas
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So

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Doing overload last didnt work?

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I did deactivate alarms and it still said "surge imminent"

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and surge still spawned

atomic escarp
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Maybe they fixed that

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It could be a sequence event now rathe than being an alarm

tough atlas
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To be 100% fair I managed to do that like 10 secs after the game said "warning 1 minute before biomass whatever"

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but it should still have been fine?

atomic escarp
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Ur suppose to wait until they spawn

tough atlas
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:\ really?

atomic escarp
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Ya

tough atlas
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I only could use deactivate_alarms once so

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putting it again gave an error

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fuck

atomic escarp
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Rip

half hornet
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Alright, going for BX secondary. Wish my fucking luck.

atomic escarp
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Try it again the intended way
More fun for sure

tough atlas
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OG I did it the intended way

half hornet
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What was the objective again?... Just survive, acquire bulk key?

atomic escarp
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Survive get cell

prisma zodiac
half hornet
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Alright... Deep breath... Focus.

tough atlas
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ok I guess I'll do it another time then

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I feel bad for fucking it up for 3 other people but whatever I guess

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we even zoom zoomed through the rest of the map ;_;

atomic escarp
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You have plenty of time to do it og so no need to spin it around

real moss
prisma zodiac
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eh its an alternative way to do it

Honestly theres a lot for d3

real moss
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not before

prisma zodiac
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i like the

Main until last wave (get code n all)
Do overload
Finish main
Do secondary with error

Aswell

tough atlas
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I wanted to do it more for the novelty of it than for skipping the fog on reactor

atomic escarp
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Reactor resets fog lvl tho

half hornet
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Fucking lmao

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died within 2 minutes

atomic escarp
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Were u playin with bots?

half hornet
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apparently i made the wrong assumption that dauda didnt needed more mines

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Yes, i'm bot-soloing this

atomic escarp
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Ah I see

half hornet
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i left the sentry behind and dauda had no mines

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i did the security scan in that little room and... uh...

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there was just a scan horde + error alarm horde waiting ouytside and i had NOTHING to sotp them with

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No sentry, no mines

atomic escarp
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Perma cfoam 🤔

half hornet
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They just broke in and swarmed me

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I did that yes

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But there's like 40 monsters outside

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and vanilla bots are not that strong with guns

atomic escarp
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If they don't go melee first

real moss
half hornet
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alright take 2 electric boogaloo

atomic escarp
half hornet
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dauda gets tool refill this time

atomic escarp
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BTW is the ladder still there at that beginning

real moss
# atomic escarp Stay mad

Bruh it is. Sleepo played around with it and was afk for the whole map. they play for you, at that point just put god mode on or smt

olive shoal
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u should give better bots double tap and burst cannon

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tell me what u think after

half hornet
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Also am i having my shizo moment again, but wasn't the BXsecondary error alarm shadows?

atomic escarp
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Yeah I did try that before burst cancel fun

prisma zodiac
half hornet
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I brought Precision Rifle just for this and was surprised when i got swarmed by completely normal sleepers

prisma zodiac
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but obviously not quite to the same degree

prisma zodiac
atomic escarp
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Alarm isn't

prisma zodiac
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i think secondary error had normals?

half hornet
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Well, it was.

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The first wave of error alarm were just normal sleepers.

prisma zodiac
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The main ones should be shadow giants n shadows

real moss
prisma zodiac
half hornet
#

Secondary Bulk Door has no alarm on it

prisma zodiac
#

…

half hornet
#

I opened it, 30 seconds has passed, about 20 normals spawned in couple of rooms away

real moss
#

Another nerf ??

half hornet
#

More like buff

#

Bots decimate the slow bois

#

And are not blind, unlike people

#

Normals are too quick

atomic escarp
#

I kinda agree

real moss
prisma zodiac
#

the secondary spawned strikers

half hornet
#

Is he?

#

Because i remember wiping in the oriuginal

prisma zodiac
#

yes

atomic escarp
#

I'm certain it was shadows

real moss
#

am I?

half hornet
#

And i REMEMBER it was shadows

#

I remember shooting into the darkness

prisma zodiac
#

I just confirmed from og videos

half hornet
#

And getting licked in return

real moss
#

Gonna check back

atomic escarp
#

Shadows after class 5 or 4

prisma zodiac
#

the secondary started out with strikers and had some giants then here and there

half hornet
#

Maybe they swap normal for shadows later on?

atomic escarp
#

Blackout happens

half hornet
#

Right, that explains it.

prisma zodiac
half hornet
#

Survive normals, get shadows, win.

#

Got it.

#

The plan is in action

prisma zodiac
#

Yes

atomic escarp
prisma zodiac
#

Shadows spawned later in secondary

atomic escarp
#

It was completely dark

prisma zodiac
atomic escarp
#

There is

prisma zodiac
#

Secondary was

Strikers -> giants -> strikers (maybe some more giants) BLACKOUT -> shadows -> shadow giants -> shadows (maybe some more shadow giants)

Then once timer is on 0 its only shadows

prisma zodiac
#

the small room one

real moss
atomic escarp
#

There u go

real moss
#

First ones are regulars

prisma zodiac
#

mb azert musicmommySalute

real moss
#

so I am not trippin

atomic escarp
#

Saulgoodman

half hornet
#

How much mines does 1 tool refill hit gives?

prisma zodiac
#

But we were both right n wrong

real moss
prisma zodiac
#

And guess where artek died

atomic escarp
#

Small room?

real moss
half hornet
#

Good news: checkpoints still broken.

real moss
#

well that IS a surprise then

half hornet
#

Bots refuse to pick up supplies even though their hands are empty.

prisma zodiac
half hornet
#

They probably think they still have the ones from before the restart

prisma zodiac
#

or that

#

true

#

one of either

#

then again, bots

real moss
atomic escarp
#

There is a mod called zombified initiative allows you to enable and disable resource pick up or usage
Might fix it for ya

real moss
atomic escarp
prisma zodiac
#

just wonky

real moss
#

look in the mirror

real moss
atomic escarp
real moss
atomic escarp
half hornet
#

Yeah

#

I hate this secondary

#

Big cringe

#

Death through lack of ammo

#

Couldn't find a single pack to save my life

velvet linden
#

I believe you will overcome it

half hornet
#

i'm giving this another shot, but my hopes are low

#

the fucking cell is way too deep

velvet linden
#

which level

half hornet
#

BX

atomic escarp
#

Cx

velvet linden
#

my favorite level

half hornet
#

New strategy: fill up dauda with mines, mine everything you can

#

On a positive note: checkpoints do not reset map discovery progress.

#

NVM: they do

#

Crap.

velvet linden
#

cell zone isnt too complicated

#

go left for terminal, go straight for (probably) cell

#

and remember to always Q+2

half hornet
#

I DID IT

#

And that was 2 checkpoints.

#

Adjustment one: more mines.

#

Adjustment two: MORE MINES.

#

Conclusion: mine deployer stronk.

#

2:48:09

velvet linden
#

i always believed in you

half hornet
#

Side note: devs are dicks

#

They literally put one of the longest lore logs in the entire game on a terminal while you are pressured for time

#

AND its fucking hard to read when 20 enemies are knocking on your door, i can't exactly focus so even if i tried to read it - nothing would stick

livid heath
#

fuck the data moment

half hornet
#

Off to attempt C1

#

i'm yet to find a new apparel i like

#

I just keep wearing my good old bullet vest i acquired as my 2nd torso. Basically first unlock.

#

heavy 👏 armor 👏 set

#

If i don't look like a Space Marine - why even bother

#

Lmao, they inverted the first scan of C1

#

It used to be a giant open space with tower in the middle - now its a hole with ladders

#

Cute.

#

Okay, again with fucking arbitrary 1 spawn away

#

all my mines and sentries were on the other side

#

0 tool used

prisma zodiac
#

send a pic of the map into media?

half hornet
#

Very first R6C1 scan. They spawn where you get deployed.

prisma zodiac
#

artek

#

that is not a 1 room spawn

#

thats 2 rooms

half hornet
#

Bullshit

#

I dont see doors

prisma zodiac
#

you

half hornet
#

No doors = no rooms

prisma zodiac
#

do not

#

need

#

doors

#

theres litteral room signs

#

where is room B hm?

#

when spawn is A

half hornet
#

Cringe

prisma zodiac
half hornet
#

There's no reason for that

#

They literally just did that to fuck with the scan

prisma zodiac
#

there is

#

the scan spawns them on both sides

#

lol

half hornet
#

Right now i'm standing somewhere and i see both A and B markers on the walls

prisma zodiac
#

you didnt have that due to chance, which wouldnt rly matter since you can easily funnel

half hornet
#

like 10 meters away form each other

#

To me - that's a fucking room

prisma zodiac
#

yea, with a very obvious room divider segment

#

youve been playing this game for hundreds of hours right?

#

room dividers are not new

half hornet
#

There is no room divider here.

#

Like yeah i understand the game has one there

prisma zodiac
#

there is

half hornet
#

But i'm just standing in a room right now.

#

Just one, medium sized room

#

And apparently... Its A+B

#

That's bullshit, imho. Literally did that so that they wouldn't spawn from only one predictable direction

prisma zodiac
#

shocker

#

thats a thing in dozens of alarms

half hornet
#

The scan went well all things considered, but sentires haven't taken a single shot

prisma zodiac
#

and makes it more interesting

#

every spawn works like that

#

theres not a single one with a door

half hornet
#

You mean the infil point?

#

They are always rooms of their own?

prisma zodiac
#

yes

half hornet
#

Always?

prisma zodiac
#

yes

half hornet
#

Alright, will consider for the future.

#

Arbitrary, but what can i do aside from shooting.

prisma zodiac
#

i made a reference there

prisma zodiac
#

mines are meh for that alarm anyway (a lot of doors, but theyll take 3 at absolute max)

half hornet
#

The start was not great

#

The key was in the literal last box of the entire zone

#

The last one that i found, anyway...

half hornet
#

All 5 scouts dead within 15 seconds. Feels good.

atomic escarp
#

either im lucky and every key/data cube is spawning in the first box i see or they nerfed d4 big time

half hornet
#

What do you think my chances of soloing R6C2 PE

atomic escarp
#

fairly high

half hornet
#

I'm not soloing C3 thats for sure. Not sure about CX... Bots might fall apart at the final bit.

#

But i pretty much don't remember what's going with C2

#

I think there was a hybrid error alarm in the overload

#

So that's a mandatory sniper / burst cannon / whatever deals damage to them quickly

#

Apparel drops were disappointing so far. Palletes are ugly and so are the recolours.

atomic escarp
#

3 every 30 sec or so

half hornet
#

Brutal

pulsar grotto
#

I will be looking forward to that

prisma zodiac
atomic escarp
#

yeah even with vanilla bots

prisma zodiac
#

eh

#

having to carry cell and cargo

#

with constant hybrids

#

needs immaculate setup

#

and then good execution

atomic escarp
#

the older one where u had generator all the way at the back was def harder

#

now its closer

prisma zodiac
#

ah

atomic escarp
#

also the extract zone is much easier to navigate

#

shortened as well

half hornet
#

Well that's the thing

#

I basically will go in blind

#

I don't remember jack shit from R6C2

#

I think there were spitters and i remember the error

#

I didn't even beat the PE proper

#

That was when the thing was bugged so you would still get the counter go up for apparel unlock even if you didn't actually completed it

atomic escarp
#

i dont remember that

half hornet
#

I do. I didn't had patience for it back then. The counter went up - so it went up, didn't care for anything else.

#

Alright, fuck it - i'll give it a shot.

#

If it wont go well - then this is the part where i join the LFGs

real moss
drowsy gulch
#

And yet still so brutal!

obtuse surge
#

just checkpoint

#

and finish secondary without having to bring the cargo

real moss
half hornet
#

alright, i brought burst cannon with a special damage booster

#

lets see how it will hold up

real moss
#

enjoy 👍

drowsy gulch
#

Do me a favor @real moss . Search up on Youtube "prozd venting online about a hard part in a video game".

real moss
half hornet
#

i did

#

its a parody

#

(and i think a jab at you)

pallid swallow
#

what's the change in reload speed of PDW and HEL Revolver?

half hornet
#

very small

pallid swallow
#

like 0.05?

#

or like 0.005

#

._.

drowsy gulch
#

I think I saw someone say from 1 sec. to 1.125 sec. for the revolver.

#

No idea for the PDW, 'cause I hate that gun~

atomic escarp
#

you barely notice it

#

reload cancel anyway

half hornet
#

Is zone_117 just a resource zone?

#

R6C2

atomic escarp
#

yes

#

has 1-3 cfoam nades also dinsinfect station

drowsy gulch
#

Wait, is that the extra zone at the start? Or the end?

half hornet
#

start

#

there's nothing in it besides resources according to terminal

#

station, you say... will consider

drowsy gulch
#

Then yes! Resources and extra fog repellers!

#

Disinfect Station is in the extra room at the end!

atomic escarp
atomic escarp
half hornet
#

oh and a lore log

#

audio one at that

#

perfect

#

bots don't take damage from spitters, right?

#

while i'm lestting to this log - dauda and bishop are having some fun behind me by annoying the shit out of a spitter

atomic escarp
#

yeah

#

no damage

half hornet
#

should've brought 99% infection resist

real moss
half hornet
#

Shit

#

ill have to play this one at 99% infection it seems

half hornet
#

so far so good

#

aside from being stuck <15% HP all the time

half hornet
#

When does the R6C2secondary error alarm start precisely?

#

When i open the door, when i pick up the cargo?

#

Because i'm looking at the bulkhead door and it says nothing about an alarm

#

Alright, i'm disinfected. Will protect me for a moment

#

So what do you think - should i just GO for the hisec cargo and just brute force the fucking thing?

royal lichen
#

touch cargo, door opens to find bulk (and error starts)

half hornet
#

Right.

#

Kill everything, don't touch the box until ready.

#

R4D2 PE moment

royal lichen
#

have someone take the cargo to dc and kill hybes, find bulk fast (pull room advised) ..

half hornet
#

I'm with bots mate

#

Its all on me

royal lichen
#

then ff thru mamma and 4 scouts

#

pull final blood, home free, remember cargo

half hornet
#

Yeah... WTF am i supposed to do with mommy.

#

Will 1 cfoam grenade suffice?

royal lichen
#

cfoam and kill

#

grenades in disinfect zone

half hornet
#

yeah, seen em

#

But will 1 be enough?

#

Cant rely on bots with this one

royal lichen
#

yes, blast both weapons empty into her

#

bots good for babies if she litters

half hornet
#

I vaguely remember this super S I scan

#

Its going to be like on the balcony or something

royal lichen
#

havent played alt yet but og long ago and anc3 version 3-4 times since, speed is key.. fast forward is life

#

sentry or sentries down blood door room in fog, u can leave em

half hornet
#

i cannot believe just how crap burst cannon is against smalls

atomic escarp
#

thats why nerf

half hornet
#

GG

#

im dead

#

nah, its impossible

#

juggling objective items with bots is too much of a trouble

#

also burst cannon is a piece of shit

#

3 hybrids every 30 seconds is brutal, i just cannot keep them at check

drowsy gulch
#

😭 #BotsAreEvil

half hornet
#

Also sniper sentry was just AFKing. 3 hybrids right in its' line of sight and it just doesn't give a shit, green sensors for days

#

When i saw that - i screamed "SENTRY!!!!" at an appropriatly loud levels.

drowsy gulch
#

It's okay! You can totes do main!

half hornet
#

im gonna do that indeed

#

ill take my apparel unlock and we'll see from there

#

Yeah, i was doomed

#

Mother spawn was bullshit

#

literally the furthest possible corner of the room

#

i was wondering why i can't find her

#

Yeah, this would be impossible alone

#

I ran out of ammo before i even saw mother

pliant pasture
deft kiln
#

sniper sentry is one of the best ways to conserve tool

half hornet
#

Helmet recolour. Cringe.

#

Can i have a recoloured scoprion for the lvoe of god.

#

Whatever... Alright... I'm not soloing R6C3 PE, that's for sure. Maybe CX though...

coarse berry
half hornet
#

Charger scouts. I forgot.

#

Motherf

#

CX is a lot longer than i remember

mortal portal
#

It's kinda long yeah

#

Also the uplink part feels a lot easier now

#

I was at third uplink on the very top of the tower and enemies were spawning at the very bottom lol

hearty escarp
#

I haven't had a chance to play yet, how's the R6 relaunch? Anything particular of note, or some thing as the prior rundowns in more logs, slightly different layouts, slightly different enemy placements, etc?

nocturne flax
#

same shit

#

lore dumping info of 30 min gone

mortal portal
half hornet
#

fuck

#

i almost had it

#

but bishop died

#

idiot

#

might as well do it in the corect order

atomic escarp
#

cx?

half hornet
#

CX

atomic escarp
#

its better to do it top to bottom

half hornet
#

I don't have the strength

#

Shit's exhausting

#

YEah, i know

#

It didn't work

#

I thought i had it but Bishop got stuck behind somewhere and downed

atomic escarp
#

oof

half hornet
#

I went to rescue him, died myself and obviously the other 2 couldn't do shit either

atomic escarp
#

u could have disconnected him

half hornet
#

Oh riiiiiight... Didn't cross my mind.

#

Also i need his biotracker

#

Or else i'm blind

atomic escarp
#

u can still reconnect

#

then he comes back at 1%

#

even if he dies at least hes on you

half hornet
#

Either way i'm exhausted, been playing GTFO all day.

#

This is the end of bot runs

atomic escarp
hallow lark
#

ok wow

#

The Kraken boss is definitely buffed to some degree

#

Visibility fog after each tumor destroyed and the last 2 tumors has double the hp.

#

(between 16-20 Sniper shots instead of 8-10)

hexed vapor
#

The distances outside are way larger than anywhere in the complex.

hallow lark
#

Nah

#

Definitely not Fall-off

#

Comparing this to OG fight

#

I used the exact same strategy

#

Theres gotta be a beefier hp

#

The first 3 got popped within 10 shots which was accurate

#

but when the 4th came, I counted 10 hits.... but its still there

#

so I ate more ammo and shot some more and continued to be puzzled

pulsar zodiac
livid heath
kind swan
#

Of all people to assume that

#

But I wouldn't doubt it because of falloff

daring pilot
#

It seems to be fucking with the fog

#

And the blue shots (previously the yellow ones) seem to have better tracking

kind swan
#

60m

#

damage reduces after that

#

Kraken is one of the few cases where you can hit that damage falloff

#

Still a lot of damage regardless

west crow
#

It's going to be 60m, there's damage fall off after that

#

the map is big enough to where you'll hit drop off

#

but you still do a significant amount of damage

winter wharf
#

Yeah, it's one of few places where you can hit sniper falloff but you'll still be dealing damage a-plenty

velvet linden
#

Agreed its a rare map where the sniper falloff comes into effect

harsh pelican
#

Very articulate point. There aren't many levels in our (current) set of rundowns where damage falloff applies on the Sniper Rifle (special weapon slot). Good thing the damage is high enough! 🤯

olive shoal
#

its a big map with a lot of stuff going on, your sniper might do less damage because of the distance youre firing from, but it shouldnt affect your damage too much 😉

deft kiln
#

Guys I changed my sniper fall off to 100 meters so I could get full dmg(on kraken fight) I don’t think this is cheating because there ain’t really a place you get drop off in the main game crazy

pseudo lily
#

🤨

hearty vessel
west crow
#

WOW I AM LEARNING SO MUCH

#

thank you for basically repeating what i've said

winter wharf
#

Idk I think it's more pro to use 2 more bullets within the mission than something like a booster which is needed to beat some levels and has finite uses

#

Some levels are too hard for me to beat I've been stuck on r5 since it came out

#

OK but if I use thr boosters there then I have to farm for them again before I try and complete r5c1

#

My grandparents won't let me download random things from the Internet so I'm forced unmodded :(

#

My grandpa was drinking buddies with gabe

#

So he has steam

west crow
#

badger what do you think of payday 3

winter wharf
#

Is this badger in the room with us right now?

tough atlas
#

I remember when someone accused me of being a badger alt

#

at the start

deft kiln
#

Would this badger character be interested in cyber heist

#

Seems like it if only they could be with us right now. So sad he died

velvet linden
#

it sounds like he would have really enjoyed the speedrunning discord

harsh pelican
#

despite all the allegations, he was a good father, and a damn good speedrunner (except for that one run....)

west crow
#

badger why were you banned for the cx glitch

#

did you say something mean..

winter wharf
#

OH, I get it now

#

finalmeasure is a spirit medium who can communicate with those no longer with us, which is why beep is asking questions about badger

deft kiln
#

Must be

winter wharf
#

🕯️ in loving memory 🧡

deft kiln
#

I hope 10cc puts a tribute to badger in cyber heist he was a real one ✊

olive shoal
#

a brand new 10cc experience

#

coming soon

west crow
#

is it true you met salys in real life badger

winter wharf
#

A game full of stuff people will wish was in pd3

tough atlas
#

Cyberheist will address those issues

rare hatch
half hornet
#

I think they might be memeing

wary olive
#

for r6d3 is the terminal in last key zone for tank blood door still in B?

winter wharf
wary olive
#

nvm terminal is in A

hexed vapor
#

Yeah, it's super easy to get to and just ping.

wary olive
#

A room got neutered

nocturne flax
half hornet
#

Dissapointed that D1 bossfight wasnt changed

#

They need to do something about his desire to always artilery strike the guy on the bottom left, hiding in his corner

#

Also the fight just feels kinda barren

hexed vapor
#

Big fliers would have been appreciated.

half hornet
#

He fogs up the area sometimes. Should've made it infectious. Make you fight him at 85% infection or something, making it an endurance fight against time.
Also would create the reason to bring the fog turbine with you, which apparently you can do - but there's literally 0 reason to do that.

#

I love the boss design and i love his various ranged attacks, but they're just not threatening at all. Except for the homing red darts - those are scary.

#

Combined with great bass-boosted sound design it feels like fighting a living artillery.

#

The vibe is on point, but the gameplay is not there.

#

Also shooting same tumor for solid 30 seconds straight is not it. Should've divided it into more weaker tumors. Its hilarious watching them jiggle as you unload 3 bullpup magazines into them.

prisma zodiac
nocturne flax
#

Artek less crazy take

#

be like

half hornet
#

I mean... Its not mandatory, right? Infection tickles your health REAL slow. You can totally beat that guy before your 100% from all the burnt packs prior turns to 0%. There's also like a dozen medkits all over the abandoned outpost that you just... Don't get to use. At all. I think i ate one x2 medipack just for the fun of it, because i could - i didn't actually feel threatened or anything.

And it would create an opportunity for players to try to be big brain about it "oh lets totally bring this thing with us and create a safety zone whenever he prepares to fog up the area so we don't get 100% infected between invincibility phases".

#

Its optional and gives players opportunity to be creative and feel smart - even if it might not be worth it.

#

And it also brings back teamwork aspect because people are just not working together in that fight - they don't need to. Everyone was a long wolf killing fliers all by themselves. The fog turbine would give them a reason to not spread too much, least they don't mind the coughing.

#

Or even the 12.000 fog repellets around the map that just don't get used.

#

I don't know... Feels like wasted potential.

atomic escarp
#

can squeeze lotsa passion out of that but the bucket has no bottom

nocturne flax
#

I aint reading all that

#

This entire game its wasted potential

quiet stone
nocturne flax
#

ill play r4c3 if i wanna kill chargers

quiet stone
#

Fine! I'll just have to get wesley instead

#

He loves killing chargers in Samdown.

west crow
fresh bronze
west crow
#

your status is my steam profile description

#

it makes me feel very EPIC

fresh bronze
#

sisyphus is the fucking MAN

obtuse surge
#

this you

livid heath
livid heath
obtuse surge
#

im fish

livid heath
deft kiln
obtuse surge
deft kiln
obtuse surge
#

why is it so important that i play with him

#

you're making me shy

#

performance anxiety

deft kiln
#

I rather him ~~digitally stalk ~~ talk to you than me

deft kiln
coarse berry
#

real

livid heath
#

It is an interaction

#

In which i do the funni

#

The shlorp know where it should shlorp

kind swan
livid heath
fresh bronze
#

no clue there was gonna be a hybrid error alarm in c2 sec so ig not doing that this run

#

next time ill have to bring something better than fuckin machine gun for hybrids

atomic escarp
#

Have you seen my scattergun

fresh bronze
#

unfortunately im not yet good enough to melee 3 hybrids alone before another wave spawns

#

otherwise id just do that

tough atlas
#

The "problem" only arises after you kill the mom

#

Because then he's usually alone if you want to push fast since 1 guy holds cryo and the other the cell

atomic escarp
#

The cell is much closer so shouldnt be an issue

tough atlas
#

I feel like most runs in OG failed at getting to the gen room

#

But yes the gen's a bit closer

#

I wouldn't say much

balmy robin
#

Quite a few failed inside the gen room

#

I really like this part, but it can crush teams

half hornet
#

3 hybrids every 30 seconds is brutal

#

Should've been a minute

#

A full sniper 100% can only hold them for 2 minutes.

#

And I don't know what main can help against hybrids... DMR? Double tap? Shotguns?

#

Sniper sentry should be amazing here - but the damn thing just AFKs and ignores them.

atomic escarp
#

Still trying with bots?

half hornet
#

No, I gave up after last time.

#

There's no time. Me and bots just run out of ammo and they're worthless against mother too.

atomic escarp
#

If bots didn't go melee mode they'd help clear babies

half hornet
#

I can't hunt down mother and fight 3 hybrids at the same time.

atomic escarp
#

U have to be quick about

#

Cfoam nade 3 tumors reload cancel 3 more then switch to main blast babies

#

Pull door right after you kill 2 hybrids and as the door is about to open get 3rd and get to work

half hornet
#

No cancelling and that's way too quick for me either way

atomic escarp
#

You kinda have to eliminate mother ASAP otherwise too much ammo goes away

half hornet
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Yeah, so I need people. Or stack up some fat ass special damage booster on a pump action... But then I can't do shit to hybrids.

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It's a loss loss with bots.

atomic escarp
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You still can but with bots u have to manage their ammo too

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So pump is off the chart

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U could try scatter but I don't think you'll enjoy it

half hornet
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Does the bulkhead key door requires a team scan? I don't remember.

atomic escarp
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Yes

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Main door

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Also don't bother with turbine after U get cargo

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U better off going through infection

half hornet
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Obviously

atomic escarp
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Get cell in Gen backtrack for cargo n roll out

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Also u can pull scout too n mine the big door and go for the blood door

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No need to stealth n waste time

half hornet
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What scout

atomic escarp
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There is a scout in the zone with the last generator and blood door

prisma zodiac
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just have sniper hold a big ammo at 100% (or near)

Then if you rly wanna have sniper guy solo hold give him a hel shotgun KEKW he will melt hybrids

half hornet
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HEL shotgun and sniper... Radical, but whatever it takes.

prisma zodiac
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Hel shotgun is also incredible at 1. dealing with babies
2. a good horde/blood door clearer

atomic escarp
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whats the consensus on the new weapon balancing

half hornet
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556 Rifle nerf was undeserved, but everything else is perfectly reasonable and did not broke anything

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Bullpup + Precision Rifle is not a meme loadout anymore

atomic escarp
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ok but you're artek so theres probably alot of ppl that dont agree with what you just said

prisma zodiac
atomic escarp
prisma zodiac
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Artek -> WoodsDed

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friendly fire

atomic escarp
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the justin experience

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damn i cant embed in here anymore what the fuck man