gtfo-spoiler-chat

[daring pilot]

I only ever exploit bots because they're such a hinderance in themselves

[coarse berry]

exactly

[atomic escarp]

diminished are a bit easier

[daring pilot]

the lock/unlock specifically

[half hornet]

(That's a subtle hint from the game that you're not supposed to be playing with bots)

[daring pilot]

yes we know

[lyric knot]

The bots just need updates and they would be fine

[coarse berry]

yes they do

[lyric knot]

If I can beat R2E1 with them I'm sure there is a way for R4 and R5

[atomic escarp]

in the end you deal with the same amount of enemies BUT you deal with less enemies per wave

[coarse berry]

r4e1 with bots 🥵

[lyric knot]

Haven't unlocked R4E1, need C3PE and R4D2

[atomic escarp]

its possible

[coarse berry]

r4e1 is probably unbeatable with bots

might be easier genuinely solo

[half hornet]

They don't. This is developer approved way of how they're supposed to work.

[atomic escarp]

100%

[half hornet]

They used to be stronger and there are mods that make them nearly OP.

But the devs concluded that having the game play itself was just not the shit

[atomic escarp]

by that do you mean function how they are supposed to be?

[coarse berry]

lmao

having remotely intelligent AI is not "Having the game play itself"

[half hornet]

It depends

[coarse berry]

if bots didn't go deer-in-headlights to tanks and immortal, try to melee a horde of 6 enemies, and stand outside of scans

i really doubt the game would be playing itself

[lyric knot]

They just need to fix the bugs. The bots drop objectives during combat and they need a command to pick up specific resources and to stop meleeing during alarms while they have ammo.

[half hornet]

To be fair standing outside of scans are just AI bugs, they're not supposed to do that

[atomic escarp]

yeah that one is not getting fixed

[half hornet]

But everything else...

[atomic escarp]

good luck

anything u have to carry yourself during combat

[half hornet]

Even mods can't fix that one, i believe

something breaks that's the end of it

[lyric knot]

Normally thats fine but some levels you need turbine + 3 cells

[coarse berry]

Bishop stopping to give you ammo during a horde of giant chargers (you are on 80%/80%)

[lyric knot]

Or when they stop pinging biotraker to give you resources

[coarse berry]

yep

[atomic escarp]

r2e1 was a nightmare fuel doing the error 3 item carry but once you get to surge and finish it you're basically done

[coarse berry]

you can also completely shatter their AI by standing in the loader things

they will try to give you resources but they can't jump to reach you

so they will do literally nothing

[lyric knot]

They also alert the spitters constantly

[coarse berry]

thank god they at least don't take damage from it (but you do)

[lyric knot]

They can alert enemies with the spitters i believe

[atomic escarp]

no that shouldnt be a thing

[lyric knot]

Even when the enemy is scanning next to the spitter?

[half hornet]

Spitters are super cringe as it is

[atomic escarp]

yeah it shouldnt affect them

[coarse berry]

I think I have about 30 clips saved of bots friendly firing me

in roughly ~25 of them, I am standing still

[lyric knot]

Yeah that too, friendly fire should be off for bots. I can't have them use shotguns or revolvers because of it

I remember when they came out in R6 I gave 2 of them the scattergun....

[coarse berry]

oh jesus.

expedition failed speedrun

[atomic escarp]

honestly just get a mod that stops friendly fire if you wanna play with bots

[coarse berry]

I can't wait for the scattergun to come back

that actually sounds like an interesting challenge run

3 bots all with scatter. try to survive

[atomic escarp]

try 3 burst cannons

and try not to alert a room

[lyric knot]

New challenge: R7C3PE solo knife only

[winter wharf]

I think someone has done r7c3 pe solo using a knife

I'd need to find the video thoguh

[lyric knot]

Without using 15 pounds of cocaine?

[winter wharf]

yeah I think they just used like 3 tonnes of cfoam

ok cool I found the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbsdzqdeYhI (but it won't embed in this channel so have fun)

[fresh bronze]

tryin out a lot of the weapons and rifle is one i feel like would be good if it did more damage

it doesnt feel like a rifle

feels like a pistol

[coarse berry]

but then

DMR

[fresh bronze]

really like the sight on it and the feel of the weapon

[coarse berry]

it's sight is one of the best in the game love that thing

[fresh bronze]

i mean we can have multiple of the same gun have you seen all the full auto mains

might aswell be the same gun with different designs

excluding pdw

[half hornet]

The 556 one?

"The Rifle"?

[fresh bronze]

idk its literally just called rifle in the main gun screen

[half hornet]

Yep, that's the one

Its basically upscaled pistol

[fresh bronze]

thats what i thought

[half hornet]

More damage, 4 times the effective range, but about 30 bullets less

[fresh bronze]

it feels like a longer range pistol

thats about it

[half hornet]

Pistol deals like 4 damage, so like 5 bullets to kill a biter. Rifle deals 5, so 4.

You use one-two less bullets and you can snipe people from like 20 meters

[fresh bronze]

easily one of the best sights in the game tho

[half hornet]

The pistol is a close range spam gun, mostly. You just point it at the guy and hipfire

Oh yeah, i love that sight. The gun looks cool.

Meanwhile i simply rediscover the classic and found the vanilla Assault Rifle to be a very comfortable gun.

[coarse berry]

itbasically is a longer range pistol

[fresh bronze]

i wish it felt more powerful because i felt like i was wasting ammo any time i fired a shot

[half hornet]

Its so much better than bullpup that its not even funny

[coarse berry]

i mean its got good shots to kill

1 head 2 body

[half hornet]

You wont get that from mains, mate

[coarse berry]

at a much better range than th epistol does

[half hornet]

Mains by design are kinda sucky wacky and barely deal any serious damage

[fresh bronze]

i dont feel that way with quite a few mains tbh

[half hornet]

The only exceptions i can think of are DMR, HEL Shotgun and Sawed Off.
DMR only works if perfect headshots.
HEL Shotgun only works if point blank and shooting like mad.
Sawed off is like the worst of both - point blank AND you have to actually aim or else its reloading time for you

[coarse berry]

carbine and hel revo are def not sucky wacky

[half hornet]

Then there's PDW that's just braindead because you just go brrrrrrrrrt

Mains exist to spam bullets and finish off that one strikers that got separated from (already dead) swarm

All the real damage is in specials

And all the mains that perform too well frankly deserve a nerf too, while at it

[fresh bronze]

yeah but even then it sometimes takes like 5 fuckin shots from rifle for a single striker which hurts

[coarse berry]

it shouldn't

should only take 4 or 3 if you get their head

[half hornet]

Yeah, it really shouldnt

again: 5 damage and damafe fall off starts at like 24 meters

so that should be a realiable kill in 4 shots, especially if one of them is a head

[fresh bronze]

just going off the experience i had on 1 map

my experience was that the gun was quirky

[coarse berry]

only thing I don't like about the rifle/pistol is they give me the vermintide 2 feeling of "I am gonna break my left mouse button"

clickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclick

[half hornet]

Ironically mine experience is the opposite

i'm very chill with pistol

i just kinda hipfire it into heads of biters, because hipfire is just so good on it

It feels so casual and nochalant

[fresh bronze]

idgaf about how good a weapon is i only care about how good it feels to use

and pistol makes me feel like a fuckin texas ranger bouta break out into a ballad

first time using sawed off and holy shit it feels awesome

[half hornet]

I love sawed off

[coarse berry]

sawed off supremacy

(I have never once used it but my buddy said it was fun)

[half hornet]

The unique design of it and that polished metal is very lickable

Just needs a good special to compensate

[fresh bronze]

dude i felt like i was playing doom for a second there

probably one of the most satisfying guns

yeah it literally reminds me of my days as the doom slayer

running around fucking nuking enemies with my double barrel

[half hornet]

wait until you see scattergun

[fresh bronze]

i know i remember scattergun

i cannot wait for it

[kind swan]

Hel pp supremacy

[fresh bronze]

sawed off 0%
High cal 0%

kek nice end to a level

i wont run 2 weapons that have very low ammo next time

was sawed off a r5 weapon

prob my new favorite gun in the game in terms of how fun it is to use, not my favorite sight but it works well for the gun and the asthetics of the gun are pretty solid to

[lyric knot]

I'm loving the hel rifle, one tapping chargers and collateral feels so good

Hel rifle pdw is going to be my permanent loadout until scattergun

[fresh bronze]

kek i just killed a scout with sawed off for fun

wait can sawed off kill a charger scout

[deft kiln]

Yes

[fresh bronze]

pov a main weapon can one shot a charger scout

sawed off is a good pick if your taking knife kek

[kind swan]

Before it shot just barely fast enough to kill a charger. (Back then it needed 2)

(At the time it the game had very bad desync so it wasn't consistent)

Now ya just bang

30 damage Sawed off

[tough badger]

It also originally backshot charger scouts
Then they buffed charger scouts
But now they've buffed sawed-off and nature has been restored

[lyric knot]

If I'm using a sniper and there are multiple scouts in the next room, can I shoot the scouts without alerting the others?

From the previous room

[coarse berry]

i think the distance is 40 metres

gun caliber doesn't matter

and every doorframe knocks off ~20 metres from range, even when it makes no sense

[fresh bronze]

the fuck is class M

[coarse berry]

mayonnaise

[fresh bronze]

thanks very conclusive

[shrewd sleet]

You stole my loadout!

[lyric knot]

class M is random scans. Team Scans, Cluster, etc

[fresh bronze]

figured that out already

shitty ass bots not standing in the scan circle for the 10th time today

[atomic escarp]

Mixed

[atomic escarp]

welcome to the real world

[fresh bronze]

the real world is me carrying so hard that i have 0 0 0 on my resources and everyone else has resources because they keep going down

not even memeing we are at the end of r5b3 right behind the main bulkhead door and im dry as fuck

[atomic escarp]

major skill issue indeed

theres plenty of resources in the lvl

did u try the other blood door?

[fresh bronze]

yeah it was evenly distributed its just a matter of my team has been downed so much that my back hurts from carrying them

im a r7c3 gamer

i dont need resources to win

[coarse berry]

Reckless my beloved

[atomic escarp]

where my fellow pressure point enjoyers at

[fresh bronze]

dude the fucking sweat dripping down my head as we ventured deep into the fog for the fucking scan

[atomic escarp]

What fog scan

[fresh bronze]

stealth is fun when there is extreme pressure to not fuck up

[atomic escarp]

Oh main

[fresh bronze]

the bulkhead

[atomic escarp]

Just few giants and chance of dying

No biggie

[fresh bronze]

if we woke one up it was pretty much game

with me having 0 resources and bots being less than nothing

pretty much was gg

[atomic escarp]

Did you lose

[fresh bronze]

we finished that rn we are just hunting for a single ammo pack for me for the last class m alarm

i need literally anything rn

[atomic escarp]

Opening the door also triggers error

Good luck

[fresh bronze]

thats fine ammo is the major issue rn because im dry af after clutching up

we just finished the first class M alarm and my friend opened the door immediatly like a dumbass and everyone but me got mauled by giants and chargers

i lost all my ammo but like 4 shots of a machine gun

[atomic escarp]

Oof

You need to refine your error run

If you have died by now

[fresh bronze]

no deaths

the error was actually super smooth

only got a total of 4-5 charger waves

[atomic escarp]

Ok that's good

[fresh bronze]

missed a 2 use ammo in the fog zone behind blood door

thats good enough

[atomic escarp]

More than enough actually

[fresh bronze]

we ended up getting over run with chargers at the end

[atomic escarp]

💀

[fresh bronze]

def not a good duo map

yeah we finished the scan but the second the scan ended it spawned one last wave along side the error wave

pretty much no way we where doing that

[atomic escarp]

Well i did it with bots so how does that make you feel

[fresh bronze]

i feel no different

[atomic escarp]

Well that didn't work

[fresh bronze]

resources where not a issue but having players in place of the bots would have been helpful

but yeah the extract room had like 25 chargers in it

[atomic escarp]

Sleeping?

[fresh bronze]

awake at the end from the waves

not worried about losing tho because i plan on coming back and doing pe later the fact i died at extract just means there is no reason to do the level again main only

doing main first really just gives a good path to learning the level before dedicating several hours to a pe run

c1 or b4 next any opinions before we jump in

[atomic escarp]

There is only secondary but yeah

That one will be a surprise

[fresh bronze]

yeah i dont really think about secondary and ovl as seperate

if im doing one im doing the other

[atomic escarp]

Fair enough

[fresh bronze]

holy fuck b4 looks fun as hell but shit duop that is gonna be rough

the snatcher was completely unexpected

[atomic escarp]

If you know what you need to do it's fun but also boring

R6c3 did it better

[fresh bronze]

yeah but for a b tier level thats fuckin great

we lost cus a few unexpected things such as my main man being dragged through a crowd by a snatcher with the bots following him 💀

i love "objective: survive"

[atomic escarp]

Its quite fun if done right

My issue is that it's floodways

Gigantic rooms just don't feel right

[fresh bronze]

yeah its a bit weird but i think its fitting personally

[atomic escarp]

Just wait until r6c3

Even when doing just main it's not just go north and wait door north and wait door

[fresh bronze]

what a banger level

really fucking fun

once we knew of the snatcher it was pretty easy but that snatcher jumpscare was completely unexpected

[atomic escarp]

An unexpected one Def scared me

[fresh bronze]

yeah was a lot of fun doing that level i once again had 0 0 ammo

[atomic escarp]

Put some in your savings account 💀

[fresh bronze]

everyone else is to conservative with there ammo

when there are hordes that big its lawn mowing simulator

[atomic escarp]

Jamaican buckshot buckshot buckshot

[fresh bronze]

b3 main was hardest of the mains in A and B tier easily

atleast for duo

[atomic escarp]

Arguably yes

[fresh bronze]

aint done secs or ovls so i cant speak on them

[atomic escarp]

B3 sec takes the cake

[fresh bronze]

its also the only level we didnt finish today because the major skill issue of allowing alarms to overlap

[ornate crow]

dont worry b3-sec duo is worse than main

and probably the worst in that layer

that or maybe b1 ovl

[fresh bronze]

its just so much easier to have done the full main before doing secs and ovls so you know what your getting into better

cant be arsed to do a full 2 hour run no checkpoints just to lose cus unexpected thing in the easiest chunk of the mission

[atomic escarp]

Its what I do

[fresh bronze]

one of our players just went on a 2 week vacation, another one is in the uk so therefore worthless as a brit, and another is canadian and cant do anything but perfusly apologize for poppin the sleepers heads off

[atomic escarp]

Only run where I have uneven numbers is cuz I fked up and didn't pick up the ovl disk in a2

An interesting mix

[fresh bronze]

then there is me and my irl friend who have intentionally overlapped our schedules to maximize gaming potential

[atomic escarp]

If only I had a partner in crime

[fresh bronze]

its rare to find a man who will play 11 hours of gtfo in one session then wake up in the morning to go to a chinese buffet and go home to play another 11 hour gtfo session

thats our weekend plans

[atomic escarp]

11 hours that's very bland

[narrow gulch]

should just ask here which levels are made super long by optionals without spoilers

most of the time its pretty ok to just go for pe only

[fresh bronze]

nah i go completely blind

if i know a level is short then i wont prepare like i will a long level

[atomic escarp]

Does r5b1 count

[narrow gulch]

actually ig r5 is a lot more deceptive in its optionals than r4

[narrow gulch]

fuck yeah lol

dogshit pe

ig r5 is also a lot better in the mains department

[fresh bronze]

im not in any rush to do optionals so ill just do it at a more reasonable pace

and gonna be real

we aint good enough to duo pes

bots are to fucking worthless

[narrow gulch]

fair

[fresh bronze]

and i dont want to have a brain bleed trying to get them to stand in the team scan

[ornate crow]

r5 optionals seemed pretty straightforward to me tbh

it was at least not like r4 where every mission had a PE and took like four years

[fresh bronze]

me and my friend lose arguably more hp to bots than to sleepers because they shoot us so fucking often

[narrow gulch]

I used to be a bot only player and now I cant stand having even 1

[spice bramble]

R4C2 moment for real

[fresh bronze]

host forgot he was fucking around and had a bot with i think pr and he had 25% of his hp blasted away

[narrow gulch]

if they shoot me once I just get triggered

and the babysitting playstyle youre forced into also just

[coarse berry]

throwback to the time I gave a bot the Arid 5

i paid for it

[fresh bronze]

host wont put up with the shit ive watched him kill a bot a 100% hp because he lost 4% to the bot

[narrow gulch]

at this point in my playtime its just

too fuckin painful

[narrow gulch]

based

based asf

[fresh bronze]

fuck bots they are the worst

[narrow gulch]

if we do bring bots

[fresh bronze]

absolutely deserved

[narrow gulch]

I ALWAYS execute them on extract

[fresh bronze]

same

[narrow gulch]

and its almost always deserved for smth in the run

[ornate crow]

least heinous acts of hatred committed against bots

[fresh bronze]

if we see any medipacks over 2 use any bot that approaches the locker gets killed regardless of the hp they have

bots are not allowed to have medipacks under any condition

[ornate crow]

lmao like giving them ammo is any better

[coarse berry]

I have a relevant clip for tihs

[fresh bronze]

having a bot with a medipack is worse than not having a medipack at all

[ornate crow]

you can be at 100special/75main and they'll be like "imma ammopack you"

[coarse berry]

#gtfo-media message

[ornate crow]

at least they won't overburn meds

[atomic escarp]

Design is very human

[narrow gulch]

give them bio they stand 5 miles from scans cuz fsr they decide they gotta stand perfectly still to track

[ornate crow]

if you have issues with them medding you during alarms and tight spots be glad they're not meleeing

[fresh bronze]

we kick bots in S alarms

[deft kiln]

why two mines

[narrow gulch]

give them mines if you pre place any mines you cant have them pick shit up

[coarse berry]

they do tho

[fresh bronze]

its easier to do a S alarm without bots than with them

[coarse berry]

big boom

[narrow gulch]

give them foam they veggie out

[deft kiln]

but chargers only have 30 hp

[ornate crow]

only if both have meds and both decide to med you at the same time

[fresh bronze]

because finding a better place to use mines is impossible

[deft kiln]

then just pull rooms

[coarse berry]

big boom

[narrow gulch]

sentry is the only option

[ornate crow]

it's not instant-burning 6-use ammo even though your entire team is consistently over 75% on both weapons

[deft kiln]

and mine them

[fresh bronze]

legit only need like 3 mines for a entire map

[deft kiln]

CAN you at least have the mine pointing into the door

PLS

[fresh bronze]

i dont think ive ever used more than 3 mines even when i take deployer

[deft kiln]

for me

[coarse berry]

impossible.

[deft kiln]

I WILL do anything

just place the mine facing into the door

it will boom bigger

[narrow gulch]

jish

[coarse berry]

boom bigger you say

[deft kiln]

yes

[narrow gulch]

you shouldve seen pro r2e1

[coarse berry]

time for a third mine

[narrow gulch]

second scan spawned about 20 hybrids

[deft kiln]

LEts goo

[deft kiln]

shootable

easily

[narrow gulch]

we were 3 man

[deft kiln]

shootable

idk what else to say

were there smalls

[fresh bronze]

kek fucking reminds me, we pulled a room with a few giants and used a mine on the door, it was a small door so i placed it facing up to do more to the giants, i watched over 15 smalls and 3-4 giants all walk around the mine on both sides of it

[narrow gulch]

I wouldve clipped the horde I amassed while long kiting if I wouldnt have died

ye

[deft kiln]

oh shit

that doesnt sound fun

[narrow gulch]

it was not exclusively hybrids, bout half and half

[fresh bronze]

but yeah bots dont get anything but sentry and bio

[narrow gulch]

with the 40 spawn cap

[deft kiln]

UMMM idk how you deal with that

honestly

long kitting seems pretty good there

[narrow gulch]

the first time we got through it was 2 down and I had to

spawn cap on ONLY hybrids and shooters

(we died during cleanup after scan)

fucking bunching them up with the fireworks going off was awesome

it was not fun

[fresh bronze]

but yeah id rather do true solo than 3 bots and nothing anyone says can convince me it would be less painful to use bots

[deft kiln]

that with tile rando at least sounds possilbe

compared to r5e1

[fresh bronze]

bots are a negative player

[narrow gulch]

the time we cleared we got good enough scans to finish before the bulk of the wave got in

[atomic escarp]

I find them to be very resourceful

[fresh bronze]

that means your also a negative player because a negative multiplied by a negative is a positive

you fucking bot

[atomic escarp]

Yes I am becoming an AI

Soon I'll be able to draw all the corn

[fresh bronze]

fuckin called it

im going to bed

before brain rot of public servers takes over

[atomic escarp]

Nighty night

[calm coral]

bots have their quirks but a bot is usually better than an empty slot

especially because you can kick them and respawn them on demand

[coarse berry]

if you couldn't do that I genuinely think i'd rather just have an empty slot

[prisma zodiac]

??? What

[coarse berry]

what/

you don't like giving chargers backshots?

[tough badger]

Charger scouts had normal scout HP in r5??

Or am I completely insane

[prisma zodiac]

you are completely insane probably?

that would suprise me a lot

[narrow gulch]

kinda wish it did

wouldnt really change the mechanics surrounding it but would let the other melees have a chance and add less back damage variance to killing them

[tough badger]

I'm pretty sure I'm right but it's 3 am here and any easy way to check is long gone so I'm going to sleep instead

I remember specifically checking their HP again in r6d2 and being surprised they actually changed it

[prisma zodiac]

i dont even know how you would have checked that hp

unless you hit it low and let it scream. Then used low dmg shots

[last gust]

wouldnt really change the mechanics surrounding it
huh? you'd be able to solo hammer them

unless you're imagining some different amount of hp higher than 30 (normal charger hp) and 60

[coarse berry]

Scouts have 42 hp

they can't be hammered in the back

[last gust]

ohh normal scout hp

okay I'm following now

the idea of charger scouts having hp derived from scout hp just wasn't on my radar at all

[atomic escarp]

But can be killed with fully charged knife in the back of their head

[olive shoal]

They didn’t

You are insane

[nocturne flax]

your wrong beth

tipical gtfo vet spreading misinformation

they had 30 hp just like a charger

[olive shoal]

there’s no way

you’re just like beep

average gtfo vet trolling

[calm coral]

me when charger scoot have 42hp

[livid heath]

Gtfo vet when asked

[olive shoal]

kinda wild tho if that is true

all the guns I use I guess it just didn’t affect anyway

[ruby void]

Is it possible to boost melee damage up to single spear kill against charger scout? with booster

[frail horizon]

72% total (spear)

50% for hammer

150% for bat

171% for knife

[subtle oriole]

Just set it off

What are ya, chicken??

Srs tho you can do calculations for stuff here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/GTFO/comments/zzcgbt/updated_guide_to_one_shot_killing_enemies_with/

[tough badger]

man maybe i just only shot a charger scout with sawed-off when i was running main damage boosters in r5, that's entirely possible

[half hornet]

I don't see spear in there

[real moss]

cause it not worth

[frail horizon]

i meant stack up boosters to total of this number

and then decided to look at the others after that

regardless, its way less effort to just shoot the guy

[ruby void]

The room + 12 normals is a hard resources drain

[subtle oriole]

It was a bad joke

It's easier to just deal with the room and then fill the charger's back full of gun juice

Choke mod his ass!!!

He is NOT going to be prevented from prevented from living

[ruby void]

Thanks! I will tryout next time on it

[fresh bronze]

With two people you can also just sync melee it

But if you got bots guns and foam are basically the only option

Bots or a skill issue

[fresh bronze]

do scouts respawn in respawn rooms

[deft kiln]

it depends

what respawn room are we talking

[fresh bronze]

r5c1 right past the Class S alarm at the beginning of the map

[deft kiln]

those ones dont

all giants will

scouts are one time things

for r5c1

[fresh bronze]

i knew the giants would

scouts i was curious for sure

[fresh bronze]

my heart is fucking racing i clutched so fuckin hard on r5c1 extract

[atomic escarp]

Secondary?

[fresh bronze]

no sec only doing mains rn

the fuckin sudden invis woke up the room of giants and hybrids and it got down to just me i fuckin had to fight 5 giants and 4 hybrids with invis waves no tracker on like 30% hp

cannot believe i fuckin survived

high cal pistol for the win baby

[atomic escarp]

Solo extract ?

[fresh bronze]

thats what it turned into after 25% scan because i was the only one with sense enough to know staying in the circle was suicide

very rare instance of staggering on every hit being the difference between finishing the mission and not finishing

never underestimate ttk in a emergency

[fresh bronze]

just got hybrids from a scout wave on r5c2?

[frail horizon]

was it a hybrid scout

[pliant pasture]

scout waves are preset by level, irrelevant of scout type

[pliant pasture]

could be heat bug, probably not wvery scout wave from that level will spawn a hybrid

[olive shoal]

p sure u could get hybrids in scout waves in og too

[fresh bronze]

got 2 hybrids in one wave

not that it matters im not doing that with bots fuck S class alarms

[pliant pasture]

huh, is it every scout wave or heat related?

[fresh bronze]

fucking should fix bots standing in the team scans before forcing them to be part of it

[coarse berry]

KDS Deep scout waves 😵‍💫

[fresh bronze]

like im being genuine doing r5 duo if there is a map with a S alarm thats more than 1 scan im not doing the map and moving to another one

its not worth the effort of managing useless ass bots

[deft kiln]

yeah heat scouts spawn waves through the same system everything is effected by heat

[pliant pasture]

huh

[tough badger]

so no D-tier

[fresh bronze]

will do when i have a four man

genuinely it has happened without fail about 10 times in a row bots refusing to stand in a team so i give up

even with no sentries placed they do the same shit, even in different maps they do it

[olive shoal]

I just mean og r5c2

I don’t look at heat bug religiously

[tough atlas]

Why would you think heat affects anything but how much booster progress you get?

Wait there's a bug with heat and scout waves? didnt know that

[wary olive]

this heat isn't the same as artifact heat

[atomic escarp]

so what kind of heat is that

[wary olive]

Idk the specifics behind it, but when enemies are spawned, the type of enemy that can spawn is weighted by a heat value and there is a bug that causes it to not work properly

[real moss]

sustain alarms are not that bad.

[wary olive]

Like for example in r6d3 sometimes almost the entire first reactor wave would be shooters because the heat would not be reset from the previous shadow alarm/error

[calm coral]

I believe there’s 5 enemy classes that can be defined per alarm (4 of which work). Each have their own heat and points value. Per alarm, a wave group can be defined, which consists of the enemy types per category (out of the four) and their heat (chance to spawn, some kind of ratio)

with point values 0.75 - 1 - 1 - 2 - (2)

(the last 2 does not work)

you could see it as alarm waves being defined by points per wave, points taken per enemy spawned and enemy spawn probability (there are technically speaking a few more fields but these are the main ones)

[pliant pasture]

No, I bet that's all on cool downs

[wide lion]

how place mine in one point?>

[tough badger]

you can place mines from farther away than you can pick them up, which lets you place them on top of each other

[wide lion]

ty

noobs in general chat)

[kind swan]

The sentence. Is confusing.

The photo in media didn't explain much either what you meant

"How to place multiple mines in one point"
Vs "how place mine in one point"

[tough badger]

yea it took me a bit to parse

[wide lion]

🙂

[atomic escarp]

not all are profficient english speakers

[kind swan]

Didn't say they are

in general chat as well I asked to explain

instead we got called noobs

[atomic escarp]

thats fair

but im still calling you out

[kind swan]

pedantic

but whatever

[atomic escarp]

it is what it is

my boy

[deft kiln]

Nailed it. The bug is specifically related to two facts. Your heat value is constant between level play throughs. And the fact it isn’t a purely random system the probability of them spawning changes based on the pervious amount of what ever role spawns. That change also isn’t correct so over a long enough time. Anything that isn’t a weakling won’t spawn

Unless it is filtered out grumble grumble

[calm coral]

so if there is a reuse of the same wave type you get the bug but if you make two equivalent ones you don’t?

or is it global

[deft kiln]

It is global but certain waves filter out roles .75 1 1 2 2

So you would sometimes get standard spawns this just makes waves intended to have all of them more broken

There is a bunch of fixes they could do to make this system work better

[calm coral]

right

i’ve been experimenting with custom waves lately

some pretty interesting combinations

also nice to understand the mechanics behind alarm waves to understand surges and incremental errors

(as well as understanding why tutorial spawns 13 tanks specifically)

[pliant pasture]

thats spawn cap of tanks right? its a surge error?

[calm coral]

yeah it’s a surge error

and since soft cap is 25 and tank value is probably 2 (miniboss)

that would be 13 tanks = 26 points

because at 12 tanks the 25 points aren’t reached yet

this is my hypothesis

although you could technically speaking just put a tank in the wave as weakling

and get more of them

[queen field]

That's weird though

afaik R4E1's tank cap is 5

But it's 13 in the tutorial ?

[calm coral]

R4E1 has a tank cap?

[errant vigil]

For the number of tanks alive at the same time

If you keep killing them it's infinite

[queen field]

^

From what i remember you can't have more than 5 tanks spawning from the error alarm alive at the same time

Hence why i assumed it to take 5 slots instead of 2

With giants & hybrids taking 3 instead

[calm coral]

that’s strange

I think you can define a different max than the soft cap

not sure though

[prisma zodiac]

specific alarms can have specific caps

see r6d3 shadow error

[deft kiln]

You can in both wave settings and and game balance

[prisma zodiac]

cap way below usual spawn cap

[deft kiln]

If the waves settings is above soft cap you que the group for the second it can mostly spawn

[calm coral]

like queueing scout waves?

because if your wave setting is tied to an alarm and it is more than soft cap it does not get queued

right?

surges are like 100k points per wave

[queen field]

Speaking of which

Is there a document listing what each wave setting corresponds to ?

I know there are over a hundred of them but i'm curious about it

[deft kiln]

Gtfo modding wiki

[queen field]

Do you have the salsa please

Unless you mean the gitbook

[deft kiln]

https://gtfo-modding.gitbook.io/wiki/

I mean the gitbook

[queen field]

Aight, ty

[tough atlas]

Late but I think you meant R6CX?

[wary olive]

r6d3 had a shadow error too

[calm coral]

yep

[tough atlas]

ah right yes

[dry dagger]

Why is R7C3 Overload so massive beyond the objective terminals?

[atomic escarp]

more room to get lost in considering its dark

[astral ferry]

more room to kite considering its hard

[kind swan]

This Place is BEEG

[pliant pasture]

either to make it harder, or to make it easier.

[deft kiln]

He means the resource room

The gtfo back rooms

[half hornet]

I think its because they are random

There's lots of those goddamn terminals and depending on bad RNG the run could get absolutely cursed

I've never had a succesful overload clear (not even survived one) in the big room of stairs

[wary olive]

i've never had an uplink terminal spawn in the backrooms

terminals are either in A or B

[fresh bronze]

tfw success boils down to rng, but there is a checkpoint right before the section so tbf you can mitigate it with a reset or two

i hate anything that is even slightly rng influenced and terminals like that, it causes me great pain

[deft kiln]

Have you seen the other zone

The one with nothing in it

[wary olive]

i have not been past the big room with like 4 floors

[atomic escarp]

i havent either now im curious

[kind swan]

When you enter the GTFO Backrooms but there's nothing. Just you and the silence of the complex.

[dry dagger]

I was exploring it with via noclip and it's insane. It's like the biggest nightmare labyrinth of pointless rooms that doesn't need to be there. The terminals never spawn past the long corridor room right?

[half hornet]

Wouldn't be the first level with unecessary rooms

This is just what happens when you leave level generation to the procedural alghorthitm and then don't bother to "finish" it

[coarse berry]

I've seen one terminal in the next zone in OVL, past the first one that's in the blood door zone. Is that not normal?

[dry dagger]

No yeah I meant that one sorry. Once you get into the blood door zone, they seem to usually show up there. I don't think I've seen them spawn deeper in.

[kind swan]

I forget which level it is.

but you open a overload door and see a terminal

but there's nothing to even use that Terminal for

[atomic escarp]

the ones needed for uplink always spawn there

[livid heath]

“Another god forsaken place”

[ornate isle]

Do the waves in r5c2 overload keep coming until we kill the tank after the zone scan ends?

[pliant pasture]

the waves in R5C2 ovl are preset, whether the tank is alive or not, the rest of the waves will keep spawning if there is room for them

(so for example, if you brought a metric shit ton of bioscan speed, you will keep getting waves after the room scan is finished because waves are still "scheduled")

[ornate isle]

Ah got it, thanks a lot

[calm coral]

honey new scaler vid dropped🥶🥵

[atomic escarp]

r5 with bots done

[narrow gulch]

yoooooooo r6 drops then

[last gust]

r5 dropped halfway through scaler's r4 vids, that meme is dead

[coarse berry]

Rundown 6 July 27th

call it

[narrow gulch]

we live off dead memes in gtfo

[coarse berry]

i heard someone say you should just leave the room and hold somewhere else until everything is dead but I thought it was a meme

that would WORK? it's a limited amount?

[prisma zodiac]

It was just to put us off the trail

i can confirm, i play with scaler

[last gust]

dang, the cabal is real after all

[wary olive]

Yeah that would work

It was a pub strat back in og as well

[coarse berry]

damn, might try that

[wary olive]

Although given that that scan spawns a set amount of enemies, how did giant capping that scan work

Because that was another pub strat

[fresh bronze]

i live off spreading misinformation and thrive in useless arguements about stupid shit where i intentionally take the side the least people agree with

[atomic escarp]

how about discussing why ernest hemmingway books are bad

[fresh bronze]

it would be hard to argue cus ive never read one of his books

[atomic escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/el-risitas-juan-joya-borja-ratones-coloraos-laugh-meme-laughing-man-gif-24899295

[fresh bronze]

absolute based man, he passed away a little while back

his legend as laughing mexican guy will carry on forever

[atomic escarp]

legend whos name shall be immortalized in history

[fresh bronze]

yes sir

anyways there is no misinformation or arguements to be had rn so ima go dark

[atomic escarp]

[high vortex]

I have it on good authority that r6 will come out this Thursday the 27th

[pliant pasture]

it better fuckin not, i am busy

[twin dirge]

Shartsday the 69th

[livid heath]

it better is cause im free

[atomic escarp]

plausible

[calm coral]

aint no way they release it during their vacay

[jolly perch]

I have it on good authority that r6 will come out this Friday the 27th

[twin dirge]

rundown 6 is releasing when I am no longer a virgin

[pliant pasture]

Calle got back today, idk how long they were out though

[atomic escarp]

Thé universe has decided you are Virgin for life

[broken scarab]

It's a weird thing to synchronise but why not

[plush basin]

Get The Fuck Out

[broken scarab]

New slogan, right there

[high vortex]

I have it on good authority that r6 will come out this Saturday the 27th

[mossy yoke]

I have it on good authority that r6 will come out this MonTueday the 32nd

[nocturne flax]

I have it on good authority you guys will optimize the r6 levels

[real moss]

calm down apparently_oppressed_dragon

[nocturne flax]

my 3050ti connected to a 2k monitor can only do so much

😭

[real moss]

buy a 4090 ez gg

[mossy yoke]

I can promise you that it runs really, really well ||on 640 x 480 resolution on a 4090ti with all graphics at max||

[nocturne flax]

saving up for "desktop replacement" laptop

i love laptops

[real moss]

bruh lately I have been agreeing a lot with u but now you pushing it m8

[real moss]

thx ScaredByApplesR3d

[mossy yoke]

[nocturne flax]

Framework laptops are gonna be revolutionary

watch

[real moss]

I'll watch while enjoying the free heating from my PC my house gets when it'll get the 5090

check

m8

[livid heath]

Omg its a wild 1CC

Quickly guys catch it so we can milk more new content

[atomic escarp]

real

[quiet stone]

copium

[jolly perch]

gtfo
optimized
these two words do not go together

[kind swan]

it is. ya'll just keep calling the game's Features. "Bugs"

weird bunch

smh

[half heart]

i forgot but is grabbing all the osips in r7b2 secondary start a shadow error?

[narrow gulch]

no

[half heart]

swag

[hallow lark]

Ah… another day of Doc trolling I assume?

[high vortex]

He has it on good authority that r6 will come out this MonTuesday the 32nd

[broken scarab]

I can confirm this

[high vortex]

where r6 you're making me look bad

[broken scarab]

Is it MonTuesday the 32nd today? No.

[high vortex]

😦

[marsh tinsel]

It would be great if the developers would give a hint when to expect ALT://R6 approximately. Just a little hint)

Everyone wants to play this masterpiece again

[broken scarab]

I remember there were mixed feelings about R6 😉

The first release I worked on at 10 Chambers, just a couple of months after I started

[wary olive]

It's a masterpiece please release it

[marsh tinsel]

I unfortunately didn't get to complete all the levels of R6, so I'm really looking forward to it. But I did go through all the story levels and it was awesome. The only thing that could be done in this perfect Rundown is to add shockers to most levels

The emotion of teleportation is something. I've never experienced such wonder anywhere else

[broken scarab]

Hehe, it was so much fun seeing peoples first reaction to that

[half hornet]

Missed opportunity to have a giant meat stryder stare at you from the distance

[broken scarab]

would´'ve set som weird expectations

[livid heath]

I hope ALT R6 will bring back when OG R6 (for the hype)

[broken scarab]

Huh?

[winter wharf]

hopefully the tiles are all the same, but at that point what could really be different apart from messing around with alarm classes/spawns and stuff

[livid heath]

R6B1 my beloved

[broken scarab]

They will most probably not be 100 % the same

[livid heath]

I would love to see the big squiggly gigantic flesh thingy

Be different

[half hornet]

Oh no, I'm more than hoping that maps are different

I'll finally experience the joy of comparing

Probably new unexpected enemies in new unexpected places

[livid heath]

I though u meant new enemies

[kind swan]

Bot woods right?

[hallow lark]

So… it’s like in August 1st?

[hexed vapor]

No, it's before August 1st

but after July 31st

[hallow lark]

Smh. So at like 12 am between the 31st and 1st?

[hexed vapor]

No, it'd be between 23:59.999... on the 31st and 12:00 on the 1st.

[hallow lark]

Smh

That’s one hell of a small day. A micro second

[last gust]

nonono, a microsecond is 0.000001 seconds

[kind swan]

The 32nd

[high vortex]

I don’t see what’s so confusing, it’ll just be on MonTueaday the 32nd. You’ll know it once you get there, it’s a full 24 hours

[calm coral]

R6 best rundown change my mind

its missing an E tier

but apart from that

all levels do be unique and fun

R6E1 would reignite my love for the game istg

[wary olive]

its a masterpiece they should release it asap

😔

[coarse berry]

if they added an e tier to alt that would be incredible

but im not holding my breath

[atomic escarp]

they def not doing that

maybe buff lvls and thats about it

[coarse berry]

a man can dream

[atomic escarp]

i wish theyd add more spice to r6d4

[coarse berry]

im excited for r6 i have never seen it

[last gust]

imo r6 is the best duos rundown

[kind swan]

[last gust]

multiple levels that are just right for a competent duo: c2 c3 d1 d2 d3 d4 cx

[queen field]

R4 had some interesting duo levels as well

[last gust]

it does, but it's a bit more of a mountain towards the end

[kind swan]

2 prisoners hammering a room in sync is pretty scary

[last gust]

r2 has a lot of chaff early on, then a good duo in d2, then a grind of a duo in e1

[kind swan]

Which of the prisoners though you would think are a canonical duo

[last gust]

r7 is also a duos rundown, but it feels like a lot of its hardest stuff is just gated by middling-difficulty grind, like b3, c3, e1

[queen field]

You know something is off about this game when you have to reduce the player count to actually start having fun

[last gust]

do I look like I understand the lore

woods and the guy who's in player 2 slot I guess

[kind swan]

Woods / Dauda

[coarse berry]

is it surprising that people with 1000's of hours are no longer struggling with the usual 4 player content

[last gust]

I'm at peace with it honestly

[queen field]

It's not about struggling, it's about having fun

[kind swan]

Aren't some levels toned down than the OG 4player content though?

[last gust]

10cc don't really have a good reason to make challenging content for 4mans

[queen field]

And yes they've on average lowered the difficulty

[queen field]

Classic "hardcore game" devs

[kind swan]

The only level from what I've heard that's relatively still the same as before is R5E1

[queen field]

The original wasn't that hard to begin with

Too many ammos

[kind swan]

I didn't touch OGr5 back then much so idk

[queen field]

Also they only changed a part of 2 zones in Alt R5E1

By reducing its size

[last gust]

I feel like in order to have a meaningful audience for challenging content, 10cc would have to teach their game better, and then market it as an action game

[queen field]

Other than that it's a perfect copy

[queen field]

Or simply making the game punish you a lot more when making mistakes

[last gust]

as it stands the people who are up for challenging 4mans have put four-digit amounts of hours into the game and are worth zero dollars to please

[last gust]

I don't know, a lot of new players seem to hit a hard wall and fall off of this game as it is

[coarse berry]

is this where I suggest hard mode again

[queen field]

Well there are several ways to make the game harder

As you said, "hard mode"

Or simply adding mutators

[kind swan]

R1C1 syndrome

[winter wharf]

It's not just a mountain, r4e1 on its own is 5 goddamned pinnacles

[coarse berry]

hardcore mode would solve these issues I feel

[winter wharf]

(unless you circle kite reactor but that's lame)

[last gust]

goddamn 8-hour r6c1 syndrome

[coarse berry]

as long as it wasn't a simple shitty 'enemies have more health' crap

[queen field]

People still do that on Alt ?

[kind swan]

There's also R7C1 and then they get Cell bug

[winter wharf]

not on alt but the mission itself is easier on alt

[queen field]

Alt R4E1 is a huge joke

oops wrong reply

[queen field]

Doubling scout count, increasing the average "rarity" of each monster (as in you can add a chance for the game to spawn much harder enemies), lowering the amount of resources in the level ,etc

[last gust]

yeah but imo r7c1 feels like the devs saying "fuck it" and making a tougher c1 rather than trying to stretch to please noobs and vets alike

[winter wharf]

I guess I should specify I'm talking about og (r6 was an old rundown so I assumed it was the old r4 that was being talked about)

[last gust]

noobs still struggling with r6c1 is really telling

[winter wharf]

so many more people to my knowledge have done ALT R4E1 duo than the original

[queen field]

Oh man i remember that

Some streamer who spent a fucking month to clear R6C1

[kind swan]

I just liked reaching the end at 20% ngl. And then jumping down

[coarse berry]

I always thought changing some mechanics like removing terminal autofill, and using og r1 audio-only pings too would fit well

[queen field]

Autofill wouldn't change a lot tbh

[coarse berry]

probably not, but why not throw it in

[dry dagger]

I've heard different players suggest challenges. Like complete x level with y loadout. Or beat an entire rundown but if you die you're booted back to A1.

Always thought that'd be co cool.

[queen field]

You can double bio's ping cooldown

[coarse berry]

iron mode for a rundown would be fun but painful as fuck on later ones

[queen field]

reduce the durability of doors

[kind swan]

Play the game but with no hud

[queen field]

No HUD 💀

[coarse berry]

magazine reloads

[queen field]

The biotracker guy when nothing appears on the screen after pinging : 👁️ 👄 👁️

[kind swan]

I don't think bio pings have a Hud option

[queen field]

Akshually the pings should appear due to our neurochip, therefore it should appear on the HUD and disappear when there's none 🤓

[kind swan]

Or at least gtfo doesn't have a True no HUDs mode/options

[last gust]

imo a hard mode would only make sense if it was a hand-rebalanced version of the normal content

[dry dagger]

Halo skulls

[queen field]

It won't be complicated for R4 and R5

Bring back the OG enemy count

[last gust]

ehh, most of the time sleeper counts aren't that consequential

[kind swan]

Can't even have Legacy hammer skins

[last gust]

even distribution bug r5 enemy spawns

[queen field]

Have you seen R5A1's prenerf enemy count ?

[coarse berry]

im boutta download the old rundowns to see if the hype is real

[queen field]

It was unironically twice the current amount

[last gust]

yes, but the alarms are the same

[queen field]

They are

As it's A1 so it'll be easy

but now do the same with OG R4E1

Or R5D1

[last gust]

I'd want more boss enemies, harder alarms, less generous res

[queen field]

harder alarms would be nice

[coarse berry]

-10% max HP on down

[last gust]

lol I was an r5 baby, I'm well aware of the rancid rooms that distribution bug would serve up

[kind swan]

Baby Chargers

[queen field]

lmao

[coarse berry]

that would shake things up

[wary olive]

extirpate fun map if u want minibosses

[coarse berry]

if they wanted to make a hardmode actually good they'd have to actually shake up game mechanics

2 room rule? bye. enemies are now crawling in from the floodway entrances

[last gust]

ew

2 room rule is about more than difficulty

[wary olive]

you can make the game plenty hard with the current mechanics

[queen field]

Uplink but the PCs are shit

[last gust]

it's super jank to have enemies spawn on your face because you had a scan next to a door

[coarse berry]

windows update halfway through

[queen field]

Have to reboot the computer each time you send verification 💀

[wary olive]

It's just hard to get the line between actually difficult and unfair

[coarse berry]

im talking about new spawn points for enemies not just making them spawn a room closer though

[last gust]

hm, fair

[coarse berry]

something that shakes up how predictable fights can get

[last gust]

though I don't think you'll get that in vanilla

[coarse berry]

probably not

[last gust]

game's done

[coarse berry]

gtfo's enemies have always felt weirdly limited in that aspect to me

you never see them crawling out of vents at you or any kind of shit like that

[last gust]

also arguably that kind of spawn would tend to curtail the planning aspect of the game

depends on how many enemies crawl out of the vents vs just 2room spawning I guess

[hexed vapor]

Tbh I think enemy variety is the bigger issue for predictability.

[coarse berry]

true, but that was my intention

[hexed vapor]

This also dips into tool balance as an adjacent problem.

[last gust]

imo the game becomes more boring when it's just a shooty gun game

I like being stretched on gunplay, I duo after all

but I want difficulty that stretches the tools and planning aspect as well

(which again duos do too)

[coarse berry]

sadly i doubt we'll ever get a hard mode in the first place for this game. maybe mutators

[winter wharf]

it can be quite tricky if you get absolutely fucked spawns in a bad spot (r4e1 cell carry, r4e1 reactor, because that's all what I've been playing through recently)

you either get held up and have to take more time (which you likely can't spare, killing the run), or you fuck up and kill the run anyway

[queen field]

Z516 in OG R4E1 was peak gaming

how funny it was to get the code in the last room with 4 shadow scouts

😳

[winter wharf]

30 strikers and 4 hybrids in zone 514 B in r4e1, not good (especially when code is on B terminal and you've already cleared A and B, it was just 2 giants)

fuckin crazy

[queen field]

The 4 mothers having the urge of spawning in front of both sec doors

[winter wharf]

Zone 516 when 4 shadow scouts, hybrids, and giants all spawn in B and long range aggro is funny

the duo will be done when it's done, attempts are paused for now but it's kinda funny

you just get gigafucked spawns and it's like "yeah, of course", but it doesn't matter anyway because the reactor hold is destabilised

[queen field]

When the big shadow is in front of the PC with 2 shadow scouts : 👁️ 👄 👁️
When it's not the good PC and you have to crawl through 2 other shadow scouts with half of china in the last room : 👁️ 👄 👁️

Or you get the 4 scouts in the first room and it's gg

[winter wharf]

first room 4 scouts is goated

that was my first clear, actually (as 4 players)

[fresh bronze]

r4c2 any small details i should consider before jumping in, doing only the main and as a duo

[queen field]

There's one

List the GLPs in every zone

[fresh bronze]

dont wanna jump into it like c1 and get fucked by a tank we did not have a loadout for

[queen field]

main is mostly stealth

[narrow gulch]

why would you do that

[queen field]

So at this point you can run whatever you want

[fresh bronze]

gotcha

[queen field]

Checking which zones you can avoid

As there are more GLPs than what you're asked to retrieve

[narrow gulch]

there is 1 mom at some point

[fresh bronze]

not doing secs and overloads for c tier and lower until i better understand the levels

[queen field]

You won't have to kill the mother anyway

[narrow gulch]

spoiled the fun

smh

[queen field]

Assuming she doesn't spawn in A

Akshually you spoiled the fun by saying there's a mother 🤓

[fresh bronze]

thats all the info i need

[queen field]

Oh yeah

avoid zone 9

[fresh bronze]

just needed to know of any boss enemies

[queen field]

It's annoying for no reason

[fresh bronze]

any boss enemies or a large amount of chargers / invis is basically all i wanna know before jumping into a level

[half hornet]

same

[pliant pasture]

if PE, yes boss enemy. or kinda close to it

[fresh bronze]

slowly working into the harder levels of r4 and r5

rn just not feeling like doing pe as a duo

maybe when mains are finished

[half hornet]

Oh yeah

[queen field]

Hmmm

[fresh bronze]

i prefer levels essentially blind its far more challenging and fun

[queen field]

i wonder if you can clear R4C2 main without having to enter Z12 (and all the zones you can access with the key in Z12 subsequently)

[fresh bronze]

just good to know if dealing with chargers n shit

[atomic escarp]

there is a mom somewhere

[fresh bronze]

shit zone 13 with fuckin 6 or 7 scouts was fun as hell to speed clear

[atomic escarp]

the one in the back yeah

but also not fun to trigger

[fresh bronze]

Then just dont trigger it 2head

i want more zones like that kek

[queen field]

You would've loved OG R4C2's first secondary zone

Same as the current one but instead of one scout it varied from 4 to 6

[fresh bronze]

more rooms with 3+ scouts is exactly what i want

way more fun to deal with scouts then normal sleepers

[queen field]

Hmmm

Aside from R4C2 there is probably only one map left with 3+ scouts in a zone in R4

As many maps with 4+ scouts have been nerfed to have only 2

[obtuse surge]

there could just be 2 in og

maybe even 1

it was really dumb

and its deffinitely better now

like all the other places where they "nerfed" it

it mostly less rng scouts

like that B2 main zone that had 1 to 4 in og

[queen field]

Pretty much everywhere sadly

R4D2 overload, R4C2 overload, R4C2 ext, R4E1, etc

[fresh bronze]

what a tedious ass level

[queen field]

When you do it for the first time it's long

[fresh bronze]

Boring af

[queen field]

xd

You should try out secondary

[fresh bronze]

no

[queen field]

You don't have to get another bulk key to end main

So as long as you get the 15 GLPs, you can do whatever you want

[fresh bronze]

to lazy if ima do sec ima pe the map and im not gonna bother with a duo

[livid heath]

Hmmm

A lil birdie told me

Well meet R8 in October

[calm coral]

october late

[prisma zodiac]

It was distributed differently, there werent twice the enemies

[queen field]

Has this been confirmed through in-game verifications ?

Cuz i've heard the same thing for R4E1 and i think we can both agree that this is completely wrong

[calm coral]

unless you modified datablocks or installed a mod to do that, no, there’s no way this is a bug

[queen field]

what is ?

[calm coral]

enemy population

[queen field]

who mentioned a population bug tho

oh fn

nvm

[calm coral]

oooohhhh eait

wait

nvm

yeah no you’re right actually

I thought you were talking about a room having more enemies than a different run

but you were talking about prenerf R5A1

[queen field]

yeah

Though post-nerf R5A1 still had a humongous amount of enemies

[calm coral]

R5A1 OG prenerf? nah it had more than it has now

plus EVERY room was respawn

like maybe 2 zones were exceptions

but all of that middle was respawn

and full respawn as well I believe, no half respawns

[prisma zodiac]

im not talking pre nerf, that was nerfed anyhow

[queen field]

The nerf didn't affect how many enemies spawned with level gen

[calm coral]

right?

[queen field]

So i'm still confused about that enemy distrib change

Unless they decided that removing a giant/hybrid from a spot and adding a regular sleeper somewhere else was their definition of distributing evenly

Otherwise i'd love to know where the hell did R4E1's Z455/Z456 hybrids went

[prisma zodiac]

the giants etc dissappearing is appearantly just the group that spawned that enemy being changed

hence r4a1 no longer spawning giants in its second zone

Also regarding r5a1, i vividly remember massively filled rooms but also a lot of empty ones before

[queen field]

The empty ones in question didn't seem to change for me on Alt

e.g the giant room with a long corridor prior to the class 2 alarm

It wasn't as filled as the zone before high's class 3 alarm (right before extract)

Be it in OG or Alt

Or for instance R5E1's huge zone after tank & charger scout

it was filled with sleepers

Yet in Alt E1 they reduced the zone's size and the amount of enemies in the other zones lowered as well

So i still don't see how the enemies have been redistributed

R4D2 as well

High had several (not many) sleepers all the way to the tank zone

Now there's pretty much nothing

[west crow]

R5 had distribution bug if that's what you're referring to

[obtuse surge]

really stupid that they didnt change R5A1

the way the level is designed makes no sense when the respawns are gone

[winter wharf]

didn't change r5a1
tilesets ruined

you are lying to me

wait did they remove the respawns? I'm being stupid again aren't I

[obtuse surge]

you can finish main without ever getting a respawn so it doesnt introduce the mechanic

and the long walk back that was originally there for respawn reasons

is now just a long walk back for no reason

[winter wharf]

ah

[obtuse surge]

probably one of the shittiest levels in the game as far as level design goes

at least the generator isnt in the fog pit anymore

[kind swan]

I was wondering why R5A1 felt weird

[last gust]

my initial reaction to that respawn being removed was relief at not having to bother re-clearing the same boring sleeper zone that I'd cleared on the way in

but fair point that it served as an intro to the mechanic

I think I would've preferred if they cut the respawn hub from r5a2 main instead, that one annoys me far more

or they could've slotted a respawn zone in between the hub and the bridge room so that there's still a respawn for extract

[deft kiln]

We had a player get to r5c1 and without learning respawning as a mechanic

Which is just insane to me

[half hornet]

Some people just don't pay attention...

[livid heath]

Respawn? Whats that?

I call it more punching bags