gtfo-spoiler-chat

[kind swan]

R6DX completions pre-Flyer daamge fix

[hard cape]

Why is DocRed still in Dev team... just curious

[pliant pasture]

i think someone said he back? idk the scuttle butt though, don't know why he wouldn't be

[kind swan]

[hard cape]

I thought they fired him... I guess Im wrong

[pliant pasture]

or they rehired him? literally anything is possible

[narrow gulch]

hes back to make knife unable to kill scouts

[tough badger]

Based

[pliant pasture]

replace them with nun chucks

or brass knuckles

or a lightsbaer

[livid heath]

When play

I woke up waiting

[pliant pasture]

mon frair, i said 30 hours, not eight, i meant tomorrow

[livid heath]

Shit

Aight

Thought you forgot

[pliant pasture]

lol, you forgot!

[prisma zodiac]

Actually

Whats the good (or best) introductions for enemies we have?
Doesnt have to be their actual first intro

Strikers, honestly. EVAL/Training

R1B2 couldve been a sick shooter intro if they never showed up in r1a1 and b1

[plush basin]

I guess R1C2 is the obvious answer for chargers

But any with the special ceiling could be a contender

[prisma zodiac]

Scout, prob R6B1 or R7B1

has single scout, single + enemies and 2 at once

[prisma zodiac]

has to be that. I think after that only r3c1 and r4c3 deserve a mention at all

mom, r3b2
Tank, r4d2 (i like that more than the r4c1 one)

Snatcher r7c1, no contest rly

pmom r3d1

[plush basin]

For most its their debut level

I'm trying to think of ones where it isn't

[prisma zodiac]

giants hmm

I feel like r2b2 would make a good giant introduction if you wanna be evil

[plush basin]

R4E1 best shadow scout intro? 🙂

[prisma zodiac]

otherwise its probably r6a1 (mandatory chill pair of giants)

[prisma zodiac]

oof

[plush basin]

Most of the time they are in optional objectives

Oh hey how about R6CX best shadow intro?

[prisma zodiac]

ooh

true

for sure!

that has to be the best shadow intro

[digital dawn]

I rly liked the shadow intro in R7B2, only shadows spawning in alarm wave (with different wave sounds being added around that time) and then zones filled with shadows for stealth.

[deft kiln]

100%

[prisma zodiac]

True thats a good one too
I think r6cx has more flare, but r7b2 is very fair

[deft kiln]

I would take newbies in to R6cx to die to the shadows

Cause it is so fun

[prisma zodiac]

Take bio so they dont have it

[deft kiln]

Yup

That was the plan

[digital dawn]

Understandable, was mostly cool because we honestly didn't expect shadows in a B tier on first playthrough ^^

[prisma zodiac]

i definetly think r7b2 is better than r1d1 (tho r1d1 isnt „baaad“)

[deft kiln]

R5a2

Overload

[prisma zodiac]

?

what

[deft kiln]

It is the same logic

[plush basin]

its kinda cool but also sad to just die to them at the end out of nowhere

[prisma zodiac]

oh

[deft kiln]

Why I got wiped

When I tried the duo blind

[tough atlas]

Define good? As in "guys will get familiarity with this enemy" or "atmospheric, sets the background well"?

[prisma zodiac]

bothish

[plush basin]

for me its both but moreso the latter

[prisma zodiac]

its why i think r2b2 is a cool giant intro

but probably not the fairest

if its the first time you see them

while r1b2 wouldve definetly been the best shooter intro

[tough atlas]

I feel that atmospheric wise you cant do that without some sort of previous exposition tbh

[plush basin]

Is R5B1 the best Charger scout intro? it feels a little weird

[prisma zodiac]

it feels pretty bad

especially with scouts in it

[plush basin]

Maybe R6D2 then

but it goes pretty heavy on them

[deft kiln]

It is maybe the worst

In the game

[prisma zodiac]

eh r7d1

scouts and shadows aswell

like ?????

also room is ass for it

[digital dawn]

R7D2 is the best intro for almost every enemy in the game

[prisma zodiac]

:^ )

actual question tho

best charger scouts intro?

r7d2 isnt actually that horrible (just evil)

[deft kiln]

I can’t think of a time where they are the centre peice

[tough atlas]

Alt R3D1 is really nice build-up wise

[deft kiln]

R6dx?

Scout room is fun

[prisma zodiac]

r6dx has 4(or 5) other scouts tho and giants

[plush basin]

I think I'd stick to R6D2

[prisma zodiac]

oh true that works too

[deft kiln]

Yeah you might be right

R7c3

[prisma zodiac]

r6d4 also introduces them in a cool way

[deft kiln]

Isn’t bad

[plush basin]

Yeah R7C3 is quite interesting for it actually

[prisma zodiac]

Yeah makes you realize you cant 1 hs them

[calm coral]

I'd say R7C3 as well probably

no ammo, but some foam consumables

great introduction

prohibits people from just gunning them

[deft kiln]

R5e1

I like it

R3d1

Actual

Is the best

[calm coral]

r5e1 gud level

not a lot of charger scoots tho

we like R3D1

everyone likes R3D1

kill mom before door opens yes?

[calm coral]

R5E1 cell skip

basically

you let the first error go on until the end

you don't use the cell for getting into the disinfect room

instead, you pull mom zone and tank zone and you bring the cell all the way forward to the alarm door

so no charger error, no giant error

then you do the surge and you win

[zenith glade]

does this have any other benefit aside from speed

[calm coral]

uhhh depends

when executed well it's easier than completing the level legit

[zenith glade]

because pulling mom/tank rooms just sounds aids

[calm coral]

but it is a difficulty spike

[zenith glade]

huh, really

[calm coral]

well there's less places to wipe basically

[zenith glade]

fair enough, thank you for explaining!

[calm coral]

with boosters it's way easier than normal clear

because supply efficiency

you have all the ammo you need for moms and tank

but I'd say you should clear it the usual way first

because it is a great level

and cellskip does not do it justice

[zenith glade]

it was more of just curiosity since i've never really seen it explained. will probably do it legit when i get to it but sounds like a fun way to do the lvl imo

[real moss]

with boosters 🤮

[plain saddle]

The intended strat is definitely the way to go for first clear - it means you actually get downtime in between sections which helps a lot for resource management/just catching your breath. The disinfect station also helps a ton.

Cell skip is appealing because experienced players can get to the point where the hybrid + smalls error isn't particularly threatening by itself, so the incentive of turning it off diminishes.

[real moss]

Legit is pretty fun as well tbh

[plain saddle]

Having the error the whole time also requires a lot of playing around the finer points of enemy spawning/alerting, to ensure that the error never has a chance of spawning on a forward scout/particularly dangerous room and pulling it.

[atomic escarp]

all the boosters for you

[real moss]

I will allow a booster for you to boost your confidence. that's it

[atomic escarp]

im pretty sure you will need one yourself

[real moss]

Interesting take. I'll study it when I'll have a fuck to give

[atomic escarp]

im sure you'll find it in you

[real moss]

Unlike you I don't let people put stuff in me

[atomic escarp]

thats open to a lot of context

dont think you wanna do it

[real moss]

nope

[atomic escarp]

anyway take your damned booster

[real moss]

Don't need it !!

[atomic escarp]

news said so

[real moss]

Did it?

What was the headline?

[atomic escarp]

the new covid vaccine is made public citizens should rush and get injected

[real moss]

Damn did covid make it all the way in the desert there too?

[atomic escarp]

no no

its only for you city turds

i get my immunity from nature

and by nature i mean nothing but dunes of sand

[real moss]

aka death before 40

[atomic escarp]

honorable death than walking to a supermarket to get my food

[real moss]

Leprosy is not honorable

[atomic escarp]

🖕

[real moss]

you just kinda fall apart

[real moss]

Not mentally tho. I mean physically

[atomic escarp]

im more capable than you

get your ass outta here

[real moss]

One day meaby, visit with my children. Show them our old property

[real moss]

But very good, tho . told you that confidence booster works

[atomic escarp]

ill knock you before you set a foot in here

[real moss]

You would not know of my arrival

[atomic escarp]

ill be the first to know

unless you take your booster dont look for a 2nd round

[real moss]

Dayum so much agression

[atomic escarp]

french hatred flows through me

[real moss]

Ok that one made me laugh

[livid heath]

[half hornet]

Not a lot people playing R5C3... I think i haven't seen one.
I wonder why is that

[atomic escarp]

boring, long, bleh

[half hornet]

Do you think i can bot it up?

Reactors? Tanks? Mothers? Or 1000 chargers?

[atomic escarp]

r5c3 2x 2 terminal uplink (3 giant every 50 secs or so error after 2nd terminal done can also spawn hybrids )

secondary opens after main is done and u can go in get data sphere and do the nframe thing and extract (starts error replacing giant one with 5-7 smalls every 5 secs or so)

i did it with bots it wasnt bad so long as you have a 4 use ammo on you after main is done also sniper

[half hornet]

it replaces a what with a what an error alarm of what

that's death, right there

[atomic escarp]

replaces giant error(main) with small error but more frequent (secondary)

[half hornet]

I don't do with error pressure very well

[atomic escarp]

you can do main only then its super easy

secondary has you going through 3 zones and back to main route for extract

also dont forget data sphere from first secondary zone

i did and i wanted to throw hands

[livid heath]

Uhhhh

Its basically tool run

Which you get ridiculous amounts of tools

[kind swan]

Gotta stay topped up on Foam

[livid heath]

Man

Chat is dead

How to revive chat

[nocturne flax]

Dead game

[livid heath]

Based answer

When you give feedback to 10C POV:

[nocturne flax]

They take feedback

Just look at saw off

Its the fact that they can only do 1 change per patch

Like everybody for months saying we want heavy smg on special

And buff regular smg

And their just deaf

[livid heath]

Bro

All the potentials in the world squandered

[coarse berry]

their changes are very sporadic

add a few guns in a patch? 0 balance changes.

alt r3 moment

[hexed vapor]

AltR3 was a banger patch, tho.

[coarse berry]

wasn't that the one where they changed literally nothing abt guns

r4 had some good ones I remember, i think that was the Arbalist change

[hexed vapor]

Exactly.

I love out-skilling my problems. It was the peak PvE+3 experience.

[coarse berry]

lol

[deft kiln]

Alt r3 like was an insane power patch that we have never really came Back from

Hel gun, hel rifle

I like gtfo without pen a tad

[coarse berry]

it was an interesting era before that

[half hornet]

Pen is just quirky AoE and AoE always wins in metas because nothing beats the game like nuking a whole swarm of enemies in seconds

[obtuse surge]

they zere literqlly horrible in R£

ty keyboqrd

[winter wharf]

Oh no Wesley, make sure you drink enough water to keep yourself hydrated through the hangover

[obtuse surge]

thqnks zill do

[livid heath]

What da Wesley doin?

[west crow]

This was only you!!!

[half hornet]

Eh, i wouldn't mind it. It could provide to be an interesting less risky rival to shotguns

If you want a close range special - its either shotguns or sweating your eyes out with Veruta.

[candid dragon]

Just close your eyes when using veruta

Ezpz

[west crow]

Heavy smg would not provide a risky choice to shotguns

Instead of belonging in the over saturated market of smgs it would belong in the over saturated market of machine guns

[half hornet]

No spin up, silky smooth recoil (i think?)... Not really.

Give it same damage as Arbalist and it will outcompete it at close range

[west crow]

So you would want to make it the r1 iteration of the machine-gun

[half hornet]

Maybe

Currently specials are so boring to me, all of them

We didn't had a new special since...

Uh...

Who was the last one to come back?

HELGun that i don't give a shit about and...

[west crow]

Why don't you give a shit about the hel gun

[half hornet]

Too complex to explain, but i don't like it

[west crow]

Can you explain a little

Do you just not like the playstyle

[half hornet]

Currently my specials are limited to:
HEL Rifle if chargers
Arbalist when lazy
HAR when super lazy (don't wanna deal with spin up)
HCP when i want to have fun, but knowing that i will not be contributing much

WHy was it 25 that they nerfed it to? Why not 29? Or even 28?

At least then you could combine it with pistol and just one tap finish off hurt chargers

Become a versatile quick swapping gunslinger

nah, lets fucking kill the thing

[west crow]

You can combine it with the pistol

[half hornet]

It exists to delete biters and nothing else

[west crow]

Why don't you combine it with the rifle to mitigate the impact of damage fall off

[half hornet]

It currently takes 2 pistol taps to finish off a charger - too much effort

Lack of close range hipfire options. Although rifle probably still performs alright there... Sigh.

Calle can't come back from vacations quick enough

[west crow]

What would Calle be doing

[half hornet]

Reading my weapons balance proposals, hopefully

[west crow]

I don't believe he's in charge of that

[half hornet]

Gotta get those F-tiers out of the gutter and at least to C

[west crow]

I think they're all pretty comfortable with where all the weapons are at currently and are riding the wave to r8

[half hornet]

Well, they're wrong

[west crow]

A lot of their effort is going into cyberheist

[half hornet]

No one looks at Bullpup and goes "That's a main worth bringing!"

I used Vanilla AR just now again after like... 4 months. God, its so much better. Recoil isn't even as bad as a i remember.

[west crow]

I have a twitch clip that says otherwise

[tough atlas]

Highly advanced electronic burglary will fix those mistakes

[candid dragon]

Doubt

[livid heath]

When play beepo

[tough atlas]

Definitively more when R6 re-releases

Before that, sporadically, when I feel like it

[livid heath]

1 and a half month

[tough atlas]

Oh no, plz, not that long

I'd say before the end of this month

So they have time to work on R8 for the game's anniversary on... November, was it?

[livid heath]

July is 10C vacation

Let them cook

[tough atlas]

oh well

[livid heath]

Im sure R8 with no rushing will not be the end of GTFO

10C=R10 ending

[prisma zodiac]

Cuz those numbers wouldnt change much of anything

[pliant pasture]

oh, buddy, i am so sorry. i don't know how to tell you this

so i won't

[kind swan]

I can't wait to see people asking for R9

[last gust]

lol, veruta is not a close range special

[half hornet]

Why i said "sweating your eyes out"

[last gust]

I guess heavy smg tuned as a special would be more likely to compete with combat shotgun than pump shotgun

[half hornet]

You can use it as a cqc gun, but its too much maintance

[last gust]

oh, I don't think veruta struggles at close range either

[last gust]

I think eva's mostly right that 29 still gimps the gun

it allows it to keep most of its former fight into bigs though

[prisma zodiac]

it would only slightly matter with fall off, otherwise it wouldnt?

[last gust]

currently it 5shots bigs and I think that falls off at 10m

[half hornet]

currently The Pistol cant one even off HCP's victims in a single bullet

it requires 2 (4 damage)

which is very lame

i would love to be a gunslinger

slam with HCP, quick swap, single confirming shot, back to HCP

amazing gameplay value

but nah, can't have fun here

[last gust]

paired with hel revo or rifle you can quickswap chip a charger with one shot after high cal

[half hornet]

yeah, but only them

i want pistol, specifically

[last gust]

but imo having to quickswap to main at all is a pretty drastic workload increase into chargers over pre-nerf

[prisma zodiac]

then you buff it to 26

But now assault rifle cant 1 tap kill combo!

[half hornet]

Eh, it feels more fair for that thing

but still, if they wanted to nerf the 30 breakpoint they didnt had to go so hard

[prisma zodiac]

yea, not like theres already rifle/dmr/hel revo/carbine and burst rifle that do that :>

Honestly think they shouldve gone harder

[half hornet]

well i dont want them, you know that

[prisma zodiac]

down to 20

Increase range a bit

etc etc

[prisma zodiac]

A u issue then

[half hornet]

the biggest annoyance is the vibe of 6 mag

we already nerfed it into being a generic deagle

strong hit but not that strong

[last gust]

high cal is just an awkward weapon to balance once you move down from the 30 breakpoint

[half hornet]

might as well go full bit and increase mag to 7 for maximum deagle cosplay

and probably increase fire rate so that you could at least spam it properly

[last gust]

maybe at 20 damage with 8m of range to manage you can start thinking about giving it more uptime somehow

I'm not sure how well that goes down, if it performs as well into waves as a competent veruta player then it probably looks bad having such a low skill investment having people massacre waves with bodytaps

[kind swan]

technically speaking it would be able to hold 7

6 in the mag with 1 in the chamber

but this game is just.

no

[half hornet]

God, R5-D1 secondary is such a headache. Literally too already.

Its not like getting to reactor itself wasn't a giant chore already, but now this too.

2 hours and we're just about ready to attempt the S SURGE for the terminal

SURGE! Of course it was Surge!

[errant vigil]

Very based level

[atomic escarp]

yes and a pmom after that, how nice

[tough atlas]

I'm kinda glad I got rid of R5D1 Extreme and R5E1 in like 2 tries each

R5E1 looked fun from the little I did but R5D1 looked like a fucking chore

[half hornet]

oh fuck off

[tough atlas]

I feel like that level's difficulty comes more from how long it is rather than what's in it

[half hornet]

we're all at 20% HP too, failed some BBC skill checks

[atomic escarp]

took me 3 hrs with bots can confirm

[atomic escarp]

how many tanks have you fought?

[half hornet]

uh

1

the surprise one

[atomic escarp]

ok so you didnt trigger the one in the cell zone

[half hornet]

nope

[atomic escarp]

or the one in the key route

[half hornet]

got supply efficiency so we can just go brrrrt

but even that is not enough

[atomic escarp]

you gon need lotsa ammo for that one

unless you have a sniper man

[half hornet]

3 PDWs, 1 machine gun, 1 combat, 1 hel rifle

and then theres me...

[atomic escarp]

pr?

[half hornet]

HSMG + HAR

[atomic escarp]

😂

[half hornet]

The theme of this cosplay is "heavy tactical specialist"

[atomic escarp]

good times

lmk when you survive or wipe

[half hornet]

i brought also like +30% special damage

12% passive and extra 18% when something is close

helps when enemies start getting too close

[atomic escarp]

that should do it

pin mom to a corner and have at her

[half hornet]

how do you do that again

i thought their move patterns are just whatever

it sort of runs away from you, but then it just will slide off the wall

[atomic escarp]

everyone stand around her

[half hornet]

oh god i think i can see it

Through the glass i mean

The signature moose antlers

[atomic escarp]

good luck

[half hornet]

lmao we're loosing to the surge

aaaaand down it goes

Is the scan spot random or the same every time? Because it was the single worst spot possible.

[atomic escarp]

that im not sure about

[half hornet]

Actually the waves were alright, but then a giant shadow came from somewhere, no one took it out so it just punched half the team down

[narrow gulch]

its a little random but it places fairly close to door everytime

[deft kiln]

You didn’t clear out the room

Unfo

[half hornet]

the other 2 tries to salvage, we fought for another like... 60 seconds, the scan went from 40 to 15% in that time and then we finally wiped

[real moss]

same

[half hornet]

I mean its a respawning one anyway so what does it matter

THe idea was to pray it wouldn't awake but fat luck i guess

[real moss]

clear the shadow zone just before you room, those get pulled

there should be no shadows

[narrow gulch]

its 1 room away, never pray lol

[deft kiln]

Because if you clear it out before scan than open doors you won’t get shadow sleepers

[real moss]

1 room away it does not respawn, you peppega

[deft kiln]

There is a high Likelihood it pulls given it is a surge alarm

[half hornet]

unlucky

Well, i got no strength for another shot. The level is currently being engraved into the outer layers of my brain and its causing me a massive headache.

[real moss]

go again !

[deft kiln]

No worries man it is a level

[real moss]

quick find some motivating words ... uhm uh m

I believe in you !

[wary olive]

theres a chance you can still get shadows for that surge even if you clear out that room

if theres a sleeping shadow right next to the door in that outer room (2nd room away), it will wake up from the door breaking

[narrow gulch]

shouldnt really be a big issue either way, I dont think anyones doing that level without a bio

[deft kiln]

That is why you open the doors

[nocturne flax]

always been a contrarian for been a contrarian

🤓

[west crow]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-back-dog-golden-retriever-back-golden-retriever-scared-golden-retriever-disgusted-gif-26048691

[nocturne flax]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[rotund fractal]

which rundown has desert parts on r7?

[real moss]

R7B3sec, R7C2sec and main, R7E1

[rotund fractal]

tyy

[real moss]

but like its so small (in R6 too), don't expect too much

[rotund fractal]

yeah i remember r6 , done most of them

[real moss]

then you kinda know what to expect

[rotund fractal]

yup!

[twin dirge]

where nomand pp

[half hornet]

Oh thank God, that's R5E done... Now only Ds left.

What a level, btw. I think that's the first time ever i've steath scanned the stealth scan.

Unfortunately we had to shoot the room (tank included) anyway. One of the goddamn scans spawned EXACTLY under a charger standing in a tight cluster of another 2 chargers + BBC + Tank himself.
One of the guys did try to get in anyway, but it didn't work: charger's ass is just too fat.

Massive middle finger from the game, if you ask me.

[atomic escarp]

r5e1?

[half hornet]

yep

[atomic escarp]

nice

only d1 d2 left?

[half hornet]

yep

and i already have a taste of both

[atomic escarp]

d1 will be a journey d2 same but not as d1

[half hornet]

D1 is just raw headache and D2... With veterans its kinda fun, probably impossible in a true blind run

[atomic escarp]

well unless the ones u doing blind run with are good enough

i need r5c2 to unlock e1 and i already have a good grasp of what to do in c2

i think ill prolly do secondary first then ovl

[nocturne flax]

YO

MF DOOM

[nocturne flax]

RAP SNITCHES

[real moss]

Rap_Dragon embracing his heritage 🔥

[twin dirge]

rapping his way into rundown nine 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥 🔥 💯

[pliant shard]

TWO DOGS IN THE HOUSE TWO BALLS IN MY MOUTH

[livid heath]

Boi whadda hell boi

[sacred knot]

I attempted R2C2 with two friends last night.. (we have been going in direct order of the rundowns from R1A1. This is the first time where we have run into anything this hard and has wiped us twice at the first Alarm door. Any suggestions with completing this rundown?

[prisma zodiac]

expedition*

Open at least 1 or 2 big doors in the first room on the right/middle to safe for the actual alarm., melee the error waves, loot the ammo, take and place mines down. Dont forget to take bio

r2c2 teaches you to keep calm under a constant alarm

[livid heath]

It is tedious

[prisma zodiac]

if you get used to clearing that youll be fine

r2c2 is only tedious if you get the 116 zone to visit

[livid heath]

Its just like a introduction for whole level error alarm

Not saying that you never seen a error in previous levels

[sacred knot]

So melee the error waves to conserve ammo, try and save the doors, mine them up before the first alarm door?

[livid heath]

Preferably

You get a good sum of resources

[sacred knot]

Is this a mission that needs four people or can it be done with 3 & a bot?>

(we are not the best GTFO players yet)

[livid heath]

To make it through the first class 3

[prisma zodiac]

very first alarm is usually the biggest roadblock. After that just have fog repellers rdy

[livid heath]

It can

[sacred knot]

At some point in the level does the error alarm go away, or is it an all level mission?

[prisma zodiac]

having 4 helps, but 3 and a bot is completely fine
it has been solod by vets and is pretty chill to duo for your average player pair

[livid heath]

It goes until the end

[prisma zodiac]

without any bots btw

[sacred knot]

oh boy! Thanks for the info

[livid heath]

Gl on dives

May the HSUs treat you well on the cage drop

[prisma zodiac]

oh yeah @sacred knot once youve safed the doors, have someone stay at a terminal (with 1-2 people guarding them) to ping ressources and list all zones from 113 to 119 for how many IDs they have

that way you can plan ahead

[half hornet]

Well, that was a pathetic R5-D2 wipe... Wiped on 285 optional resource room stealth check.

Not class 10.000, not mommy, not even reactor itself. Some random room with 2 hybrids.

[atomic escarp]

oof

[half hornet]

Frankly i was expecting it, the stealth efficacy up to that point was subpar.

[atomic escarp]

pubs strike again

[half hornet]

Except i was expecting for someone to wake up the mom, not a random ass room with generic enemies.

Ironically the mother was the one we stealth-flawlessed

[atomic escarp]

well its easy to deal with a mom

[atomic escarp]

not even a giant woken up?

[half hornet]

Btw people keep saying that you should kill the mother. Can you clarify why exactly?

That entire area seems useless

The hub area, 2 optional cell / resource zones and the key zone itself.

As long as you're nowhere near it she won't come right

[atomic escarp]

the only reason for you to kill mom is if shes blocking a locker for a key or something

[atomic escarp]

anything from there doesnt trigger

[half hornet]

Yeah exactly

Are people just that scared of true stealth or something

deploy foggies, get in da room, close door, find da key, acquire anything extra you find, deploy foggies on the way back, bam

[atomic escarp]

some poeple may have an itchy trigger

[half hornet]

playing 👏 as 👏 intended

[atomic escarp]

say shes blocking an ammo locker there is easily 6 uses in the other optional zone along with 4-5 med

and i believe you only get 2 ammo 1 tool 2 med from that mom zone

or 4 ammo

also if you are still looking for d2 i can hop in

one more bad teammate you have to worry about

[half hornet]

maybe in 20 minutes, gotta do something

[atomic escarp]

alrighty

[half hornet]

actually i can't even host D2, gotta beat D1 first... Literally the only level i can host

[pliant pasture]

rip

[atomic escarp]

i can host d2 but idk if thats a good idea considering i have some really good internet

[tough atlas]

No need to unless the starts align and she's like close to a box/locker so much you cant even reach it to lockmelt

[half hornet]

Roight

Not sure why that's a thing, but mkay

[tough atlas]

Which I've no idea if it can even happen

You know how it goes

[half hornet]

Funny you say that, i almost had that happen

only it was a giant

[tough atlas]

Yesterday I had a guy getting shit wrong on enemy spawn in R1C2

I also met groups that "WANTED" to kill the mom

[half hornet]

I also had a charger blocks a stealth scan yesterday so you know

[tough atlas]

because "She could wake up during code 3 or whatever"

which doesn't happen either

[narrow gulch]

kill her cuz its fun

[tough atlas]

it's like 2 zones away

[deft kiln]

Kill her cause it is fast

[half hornet]

Yeah, already had a discussions about that with Az

[tough atlas]

With most pugs fast and fun aren't really usually priorities

[half hornet]

No need to kill her for reactor unless your team just sucks at stealth

there's like 4 giants surrounding her too

That's a mag or two of specials that could be used somewhere else

[astral ferry]

just say "charging" and start whacking mom

[winter wharf]

I never hammer mom because I fundamentally disagree with how much stagger the current hammer has
(I actually don't give a shit, I don't play the game much)

[astral ferry]

prime example of a so called "vet" giving their unwarranted opinion when they don't even play the game

[dry dagger]

Guys

Weapon that kills mom fastest, go

[narrow gulch]

2 choke mods can pretty much instakill

as client

[livid heath]

[winter wharf]

burst cannon/pump shotgun

can kill in 1 magazine each

[deft kiln]

Combat shotgun hel rev hammer just solo her no births

[half hornet]

So um.... That 4th code of R5-D2.

What the fuck. And how the fuck.

[narrow gulch]

wdym how the fuck

[half hornet]

an entire room of BBCs + Cscout while smaller reactor waves pressure people from behind. You can't even shoot on the bridge because the room just hears it.

[narrow gulch]

oh

[half hornet]

Do you just take the L and gun them all down?

[twin dirge]

I like BBCs

[narrow gulch]

code 3 not 4

[wary olive]

Either send 2 people back, those two need a lock melter and a charger scout killing weapon in case the c scout is in the back room with the terminals, or send 3 back 1 hold at the small door and pull the room

If you hold right at that small door where the spiraling stairs go down, you can shoot there freely without waking up the charger room

[half hornet]

D1 and D2 scored about 3-4 wipes each so far.
Meanwhile i got E1 on first try... Figures.

[wary olive]

You probably had a good team for e1 and not as good for the d levels

[half hornet]

True, 2 guys were aware what they were doing. This one was almost entirely a blind run. We sort of knew what to do with first three codes but then 4th happened and its like "Huh?"

one guy went in to attempt to get scoust, we 3 engaged the horde on the little stairs leading to sec room which caused the BBC room to wake up

[wary olive]

That is a bad spot, close to the room and foggy

[half hornet]

BBC ravaged the guy inside and we just got eaten by the common wave, no BBC were required

[twin dirge]

@bold widget where your BBC

[wary olive]

You could also save sentry during the reactor when you have 4 people shooting and save it for that part if you find holding difficult

[half hornet]

yeah, that's what we didnt do

both sentries were at 0% when we went for 4th code

not even a mine deployer either

[wary olive]

That's 3rd code btw 4th code is free

[half hornet]

I think there was a single tool refil pack we missed

Oh right

I'm counting the wave rounds

[livid heath]

yo artek

[half hornet]

1 is the initiation
2 is the 1st code
3 is the 2rd code
4 is the 3rd code

[livid heath]

wana dip ur head into our squad?

we could happy to have a lore enjoyer

[half hornet]

nah, i'm taking a break to give some meds to my cat

[livid heath]

aight cool

[half hornet]

So to summarise: 2 sentires and you only use them for the big super scan and for the code

Question: what's exactly the idea with them for the code hunt?

Just have people with sentries hold the swarms until the guy/guys find the code?

Do these waves have some sort of preset spawn point or is it 2 zones rule again?

[wary olive]

its still wave 3 then

reactor startup -> wave 1 -> code 1 -> wave 2 -> code 2 -> wave 3 -> code 3 -> wave 4 -> code 4 finish

you're just repeating wave 3, its not wave 4

[dry dagger]

@half hornet That actually just happened with me and a friend. Charger room stomped us. I think my plan is right after a wave is killed, pull charger room and run back to reactor so we have the corridor to kill everything. You'll have to kill the respawn zone again but I think it's worth it. Then just mine doors in charger zone to clean up the other rooms.

[winter wharf]

You should be able to stealth charger zone fairly handily, no?

[narrow gulch]

stealth A, shoot B probably

depends on where cscout is

[half hornet]

Sentries wont survive the scout wave

[dry dagger]

Honestly dude it was pretty bad. I was trying to clear small chargers. Got caught in between a small, big, and the scout. Was kind of screwed. I think my stealth is decent I just don't want to deal with it the room. I mean maybe if the seed looks okay upon opening the door, it'd be fine.

[dry dagger]

That doesn't bother me too much. I brought Sniper and a friend had HEL Rifle.

This is cheesy, but might just stack Special Damage booster to be able to shoot Charger Scout immediately for pulling the room.

[atomic escarp]

or take a choke

and blast him to hell

[half hornet]

Bah, do i have to bring hel shotgun again

[coarse berry]

this is about 5d2 right?

[half hornet]

Yeah

[coarse berry]

that levels messing me up too

[half hornet]

The 3rd code gets everyone killed

[atomic escarp]

idk if you need hel shotgun

[half hornet]

Making that room chargers is an extra dick move

[atomic escarp]

there must be no scout leading to the security door and should be fine

[half hornet]

Not just chargers too, big ones

[coarse berry]

yeah scout RNG can make the third code much harder

me and my buddy wiped there cause I had a knife / high cal and couldnt take out the c-scout lol

[dry dagger]

True but I feel Sniper is really invaluable for this level particularly.

I say that as someone who rarely uses Sniper.

[atomic escarp]

id say your best bet is you deal with the 3rd code wave by the security door to the respawn zone once wave is done go hammer giants and what not go back and close door do the wave rinse and repeat try to be as fast as possible

[half hornet]

Hmm

[atomic escarp]

well your main concern isnt really giants

its getting to code 3 and surviving

[half hornet]

Maybe i should become sniper man once again

[atomic escarp]

choke is quite good

[half hornet]

those hybrids are a real pain in the D

[atomic escarp]

for when u wanna blast bbcs to hell

also cscout

[atomic escarp]

dont miss your shots

[half hornet]

Remind me: does sniper oneshot hybrids or like kinda harasses them?

[coarse berry]

1shot

as a certified Hybrid Hater it is very satisfying

[atomic escarp]

it 1 shots all giants except big chargers

[half hornet]

unfortunate

[dry dagger]

I mean yeah that is true but because I'm running a 2-stack with bots, I feel like not being able to just delete the giants and hybrids on the first half of the level would be sorely missed.

[atomic escarp]

for the first alarm?

if you do get a scout in the same room as the first alarm just pull scout and pull alarm

you may be lucky and get 2 scouts there

so u have to kill smalls instead for like 3 circles

[dry dagger]

First alarm, but also clearing rooms, killing hybrids on reactor quickly, and clearing 2nd code zone.

[atomic escarp]

thats fair

if you are good at landing your shots

then yes

otherwise just take choke

[dry dagger]

For sure. I've actually been landing most of my shots recently (and surprisingly). If my next run still FUBARs, then maybe I'll swap for Choke Mod.

[atomic escarp]

also pdw + sniper is good if u wanna 1 tap shadow giants

[half hornet]

Are the shadows and complete darkness new invention or was there in the OG too?

Playing this without thermals is just that much of an extra nightmare

PDW makes life in that level so much easier

[coarse berry]

real thads beat d2 with no tracker

[half hornet]

The most horrifying part is that my squad was on their way to run out of ammo for the final code

Despite my supply booster

[dry dagger]

Honestly brother I just shoot all the shadow rooms.

[coarse berry]

its the way to go

[dry dagger]

The level gives you a lot of ammo. I pull the rooms all the way up to the Class 10 alarm.

And then I don't know how you wouldn't pull the rooms for 1st and 2nd code hunt.

[wary olive]

I already gave you guys the strat for code 3

[wary olive]

.

[atomic escarp]

why

its better to just stealth the giants and do the scan if you are lucky to have a scout in an adjacent room or in the same as alarm just trigger him

[half hornet]

You didn't answer what's the logic behind wave spawns

[atomic escarp]

they have set spawns from what i could tell

[wary olive]

What was the question?

[atomic escarp]

in extract room and the one with the ramp going up n down

[winter wharf]

waves spawn outside of reactor

have people or whatever sit in pitch black giant zone while whoever else goes for codes

[half hornet]

Are reactor spawns preset or its 2 rooms rules again.

[dry dagger]

That's a good point it's just annoying having to stealth respawn zone to grab resources.

[wary olive]

Also artek shadows in complete darkness is the best you could ask for, shadows in ambient lighting are even harder to see without thermal

[wary olive]

They are 2 room elevator biased

[half hornet]

Also i didn't quite get: are you supposed to be defending at the top of the spiral stair or bottom

[wary olive]

Bottom is easier

[winter wharf]

^

[half hornet]

Playing backwards king of the hill, right?

[winter wharf]

can probably make the top work, but eh

[half hornet]

Standing in that elevated part of the room and shooting monsters that come down through the door

[wary olive]

If there are scouts in b, you hold at the top and send the sniper in to snipe the scout, then move down once that big ass room is cleared

[half hornet]

I assume its better to have the door open, to avoid wonky broken door hitboxes?

[wary olive]

Uhh yeah ideally you don't let that door break

But you can close it if you need to kill the scout in b

[winter wharf]

is the ALT version of the mission much different

[wary olive]

No alarm to get the cell before class 9

I think it's class 10 now?

[olive shoal]

yes

[wary olive]

And tile for 3rd code is different

[dry dagger]

There's a guide on YouTube of the original where the guy says to not bother mining the blood door for 1st code and says "it's just like 6 shadows, just shoot it."

It's no longer just 6 shadows....

[wary olive]

I don't remember tiles for codes 1 and 2 in og but they feel roughly the same

3rd code in alt is harder imo

[narrow gulch]

1st code pull is kinda disgusting now

[dry dagger]

Also one of the YT guides for the OG level mentions that reactor wave 3 is like 6 smalls and a hybrid and that you can just hammer it. It definitely feels like more than 6 smalls now and I'd prefer to shoot personally.

[wary olive]

Yeah and you should have enough ammo to shoot that cycle for multiple repeats assuming nothing went really wrong leading up to it

Like what happened to me once is someone pulled a scout in the big room with the class X, then as we were cleaning that up from side room spawn another guy left his burst sentry in the respawn zone and it shot another scout lol

[winter wharf]

it most certainly wasn't 6 smalls for the code 3 waves

looking at footage I took a few weeks ago

[narrow gulch]

its still hammerable by 2 people fairly easily

especially since the hybrid normally shows up hella late

[winter wharf]

yea, sounds about right

something something movement skill gap

[narrow gulch]

I prefer hammering the smalls and just shooting the hybrid for a break

[winter wharf]

yea that's probably what I'd do

[calm coral]

I assume this is about R5D2?

[narrow gulch]

ye

[calm coral]

code 3 waves are pretty easy if you hold them bottom of stairs

either melee or guns both work in my experience

just make sure to save the doors to the west if there are scouts in the adjacent rooms

I know it’s probably far enough

but don’t wanna risk it

[half hornet]

Question about reactor or R5-D1:
Is it like a proper reactor, with waves and shit?
If yes: do they exclusively come from one direction or they can potentially spawn in the secondary direction as well?

[coarse berry]

it's a shutdown

[narrow gulch]

its a shutdown like r1d1

[half hornet]

That tells me nothing

[narrow gulch]

and yes they can spawn from secondary

[atomic escarp]

they can come from secondary

[half hornet]

lame

[narrow gulch]

clear out that respawn room before starting

[atomic escarp]

and it will wake up any scout or enemy in there

[half hornet]

ohhhhhh

instead of codes its a scan then you go home, something like that?

wait, then what the fuck was that lockdown door?

[narrow gulch]

its literally identical to r1d1 but a little longer and with an S scan

[half hornet]

i honestly forgot R1D1

[atomic escarp]

shadows spawning for reactor

also shadow error after it ends

[narrow gulch]

the lockdown door is a random ass lore terminal and some resources

(basically a trap)

[half hornet]

fucking lmao

[deft kiln]

I love the snatcher

[dry dagger]

Is it a trap as in you'd run in and get cornered from error wave, or are there enemies in there?

[narrow gulch]

get cornered

[atomic escarp]

2 tanks spawn after you go all the way in

[deft kiln]

And snatcher

[narrow gulch]

generally the plan for the ending relies on shadows being slow and being left behind you for the most part

[atomic escarp]

when i turned around

[narrow gulch]

and going in there lets them collapse on you

[half hornet]

aha

So the plan:

• Get reactor done
• fucking run

[narrow gulch]

ye

[atomic escarp]

yes

[narrow gulch]

just like r1d1

[half hornet]

lovely

that simplifies things

because dear lord this secondary is fucking exhausting

[winter wharf]

the mission is literally just r5d1 but worse

[atomic escarp]

id honestly do just main if u wanna get e1 unlocked

[half hornet]

E1 is already done, did you forget?

Its D1 and D2

If i get this done (for the love of god!) then its only D2 left

[atomic escarp]

ah

[half hornet]

And i think i got plenty of practice with that one to the point the next run might succeed, unless the team sucks with stealth again

i'm this close to getting this cursed rundown done

R6 will be a goddamn breeze compared to this

[atomic escarp]

it would be less annoying if the shadow zone wasnt respawn

[half hornet]

the Ds will give me some headache

But hey... My boy will be there to keep things smoother

No more wiping on 3 fucking hours of shadow stealth

It will be 5 hours of retrying same bit instead

[atomic escarp]

ive grown over cps i fkn hate them when they make my bots lose all the ammo n tool in r7c3

[atomic escarp]

only if you muster the courage

[dry dagger]

w t f

that's so unbelievably ass

[deft kiln]

He is pulling your leg

[dry dagger]

So is the snatcher real, or there just not much point to the zone?

[atomic escarp]

yes the snatcheris real

[atomic escarp]

just a drop of resources and lore terminal

@coarse berry anywhere the tanks runs through kills em, but i put em bout waist lvl

[coarse berry]

ive never needed more than 7-8 to kill one but i think you might be having some mines not connect properly

this is d1's tank right? in reactor?

[atomic escarp]

r5c2

[coarse berry]

ah I don't think ive seen that one

[atomic escarp]

tank spawns centered by a large security door the farther the tank is from the mine itself the more u gon need

8 close range kills him

12-16 mid to long range

[coarse berry]

is it apex door or just a wide secdoor?

cause I always use the 5th notch up on an apex door as a marker for mines and it always works

[atomic escarp]

wide secdoor

[coarse berry]

hmmm

[half hornet]

Absolute. Garbage.

There goes the wipe.

We wiped on the fucking shadow scout zone.

I missed the fucking headshot.

I shined the melee light straight at it and it just... wasn't there, at all.

So i took a gamble and missed.

room awake, giant shadow on all sides and as a bonus - the scout summoned a charger wave

And we wiped right then and there

[atomic escarp]

that explains the chargers i got from doing reactor

[half hornet]

R5-D1 just got promoted to officially the worst level i've played i think

[atomic escarp]

thought itll be shadows

[atomic escarp]

time to chill till r6

[half hornet]

We were doing so well up to that point

A single goddamn scout

Oh, this one hurts baaaaad. And it was my fault too.

[atomic escarp]

how does a retirement plan sound

[hallow lark]

Oof

Sorry to hear that

You’ll get it one day

[half hornet]

Not good at all. I have to get this done, one way or another.

[hallow lark]

Never give up. You got this!

I’m not gunna say that I understand your pain cuz my pain is different, but the feelings there

So stay strong and persevere

[half hornet]

Eh, it doesn't actually hurt that bad. More like... I'm feeling guilty for fucking that one up.

why was its' head not there?!

point blank, flashlights in its mouth

nothing

[narrow gulch]

they lean backwards really far

and to the side a little

[hallow lark]

They really do!

Are they shadow scout?

Cuz those are the fucking wobbly ones

[half hornet]

Yes

[hallow lark]

Invisible, wobbly, and if mobs are near, you can’t get close

Full on guesswork

I hate em

[half hornet]

Lesson learned: never stab those assholes from the side

Only perfect backstab, just in case

[hallow lark]

For me, it’s always, “stay the fuck away from any shadows”.

Unfortunately, that doesn’t ring true in some levels… my mental pain intensifies when shadows are in the level

[atomic escarp]

yesterday i was doing mines for tank and for some reason i shot at em

me 2 bots dead but lost lot of tool

wanted to hang myself

[dry dagger]

@atomic escarp When you mine for tanks, do you place them vertically facing down or horizontally facing the side?

[atomic escarp]

anyway you place em will kill the tank although how many mines you need relative to the distance is up in the air but if you do the facing down should take him out in 8

[atomic escarp]

horizontally will also work with 8 but tanks needs to be close to the mines

[dry dagger]

@atomic escarp Also because I've yet to attempt R5C2 PE run, do you start with Extreme or Overload?

[atomic escarp]

extreme, ovl doesnt have enough tool for 2 tanks

[dry dagger]

Ah so you can pick. In most runs, I see people do overload first.

[atomic escarp]

yeah cuz people kill tank normally

i mean i can but with bots its eugh

and enemies as well

eugh

so i just deleted em everytime i get the chance

[twin dirge]

skill issue

[tough atlas]

Every time I fuck up a scout in a map I didnt clear, I end up finishing the map anyway

Last time I fucked up a cscout on R5C2 PE because I forgot to reload the shotty trying to kill him from behind with it

Fun times

[real moss]

skill issue squared

[tough atlas]

I just legit forgot to reload since it was after tank 😄

[real moss]

my statement remains unchanged

[tough atlas]

Fun fact is that I even said "I got this guys"

[real moss]

you digging your own hole flopper

[half hornet]

Still pondering yesterday's wipe.

That was so the run.

Mf shadow scouts, man

and why did it summon chargers

If it was literally anything else - we would be fine

[tawdry terrace]

I know how you feel, that same scout ended my run 5 times before I beat that level

The run we beat it, I got a bonk kill off on it right as it was about to corner us, but woke the room in the process.

But at least no charger wave, so we were able to recover

[half hornet]

Devs be like: "When in doubt: spam chargers"

I'm so sick of these bullet sponges

[west crow]

Which level did you wipe on artek

[keen rampart]

This game still have Devs ?🧐

[half hornet]

R5 D1, the long and painful one

[west crow]

Which shadow scout did you alert

[half hornet]

Probably worst level in R5, just barely rivaled by the other like it... Was it B2 or something? The one with a very long secondary zone full of chargers.

[half hornet]

First room of secondary that neighbors reactor, on the way back after completing the secondary.

Bastard tanked the full charged attack, screamed and brought hell upon us.

[west crow]

😢

[nocturne flax]

im the only one who likes r5d1 for the looks of it

[west crow]

You just like the pouncer that protects the log door

[nocturne flax]

Amazing use of enemy by 10cc

[kind swan]

Pouncer_Dragon

[half hornet]

Like aesthetics of it?

I only like the donut room, mother's storage and the room that leads to it, everything else are some of the most boring tilesets and rooms in the game. Also the catwalk labyrinth hell. Bleurgh.

I'm more of a data center / labs / floodways kind of guy.

[west crow]

Data center 🥹

[nocturne flax]

no, like the level

itself

its cool

[half hornet]

Meh. It's grindy.

Everything leading to getting to reactor takes way too long and is boring as shit.

Then the reactor door breach is very fun for like 2 minutes.

And then you open the secondary and it's fucking molasses again.

Can't even kill anything because muh Respawn rooms

Then the surge alarm and mother is kinda okay

Then it's Molasses 2: Electric boogaloo, but backwards, with extra fog

[wary olive]

it is a stealth skill check

[half hornet]

Just fuck me.

Haven't even seen the reactor in action yet.

[wary olive]

its kind of underwhelming compared to the rest of the map

or not really underwhelming, but just another hurdle in a long level

[daring pilot]

I mean I think it’s a cool looking level as well

[nocturne flax]

its long if your slow

[daring pilot]

Altho I like R4B3 so ig my opinion is kinda invalid :)

[nocturne flax]

pretty much

[daring pilot]

I hope BX changes in alt

[wary olive]

why they make the key zones so different

[daring pilot]

To not be like the longest fetch quest ever

[wary olive]

the donut side is way way way better than the other side

[daring pilot]

But I know it probably won’t

[nocturne flax]

i dunno but r5d1 its just classic gtfo

[dry dagger]

R5D1 Extreme is prob the longest level in the game

[nocturne flax]

alarm >stealth >alarm > stealt, then extreme its just stealth

crouch walk for 3 min to the next zone

[half hornet]

For 10*

[daring pilot]

I’ve only ever seen gameplay of it

[nocturne flax]

cool bossfights

[daring pilot]

But it looks fun

[half hornet]

You need to find key too

[wary olive]

terminal is real close its not that bad

[half hornet]

And the most annoying part? I feel disgustingly compelled by the game to bring a PDW. Because dear god PR sucks ass against charger without like +40% damage boosters to double tap them.

[nocturne flax]

I think your weapon of choice its not really the issue

[daring pilot]

just… don’t bring PR against chargers if you’re worried ab that?

[half hornet]

I didn't yesterday.

[daring pilot]

ik there are shadows

[wary olive]

BlackDragon. his word is gospel....

[daring pilot]

But like we dealt with shadows for six rundowns before we had thermals

[wary olive]

artek that is bad news for you...

[half hornet]

It was Assault Rifle + Heavy Assault Rifle. I was the assault rifle man.

I'm fucking blind during secondary stealth.

Bioman with PDW is my eyes and I just trace his steps.

[daring pilot]

Ok well not much I can help with there

All this talk of shadows and a reactor shutdown level really makes me want to play R6 again

[nocturne flax]

i mean you mostly just look for feet during extreme anyways and just by sound

throbbings stops move

oh come on

not that way

PLS

[daring pilot]

:)

[nocturne flax]

Y'all more wild than i am

[daring pilot]

Dw this happens to me all the time

[dry dagger]

PDW can really help with shadow zone imo b/c shadows in pitch-black fog just kind of sucks. Probably one of the harder triple whammies in the game.

Really you just need to listen when it comes to shadows. The thermal alleviates this a bit but listening is your main thing, that and flashlighting their feet if you don't choose to take thermal. It's harder to see them in the first room that's well-lit which doesn't make it easier w/o thermal as well.

TLDR: If you do take PDW and really try to listen for the pulsing, you should be okay.

[daring pilot]

I just listen tbh

I hate PDW sight and I don’t wanna bring PR into chargers

[half hornet]

Need I remind that I don't see shadows basically at all

[nocturne flax]

yes

its by design

[daring pilot]

Did you turn off game shadows?

[nocturne flax]

theyre invisible

[half hornet]

The chances of me walking into one even with flashlight out is still very decent

[nocturne flax]

ok then take pdw

[wary olive]

you have to look at their feet

[nocturne flax]

i play on low shadows too

[half hornet]

If I notice them

[wary olive]

just keep your flashlight angled down and fan back and forth while you're walking forward

[dry dagger]

We're fortunate PDW is a decent choice. It could be on Precision Rifle's level...

[daring pilot]

Bullpup with thermal sight when?

[half hornet]

Oh, please, I beg you

Imma about to mod that myself

[daring pilot]

that was a joke

[nocturne flax]

I think your focusing too much on minor things instead of the level as a whole

i often see that happening with people

happens to me too

like gear, graphics and stuff matter but what you do ingame matters more

[half hornet]

Yes, I'm focused on the annoying, boring, 40 minute grind parts that I hate and that I have to keep replaying again and again because the level is also genuinely hard and people keep wiping on random things

[plain saddle]

You right BD, we should've just told the guy to become a better player

[nocturne flax]

im not wrong tho

[daring pilot]

Yeah i was about to say this sounds like a roundabout way of saying skill issue

[nocturne flax]

i mean

bruh

i hate y'all

[dry dagger]

@Artek I feel you with the frustration of shadows. They're annoying and slow stealth for sure. The fog zone in R5D1 Extreme is one of the harder shadow zones that I can recall. However I'd still be more nervous with charger stealth. They're usually a lot higher threat. Unless they spam Shadow Scouts like in that zone in ||R5E1 ||, generally I think shadows aren't too bad.

Idk maybe it's preference but even Shadow Giants don't bother me as much as chargers.

[daring pilot]

[dry dagger]

@Artek, have you completed any of the other rundowns?

[daring pilot]

I feel like the reason shadows don’t aggravate me is because I’ve barely interacted with them aside from R7D2, R1D1, R2C1, and R6CX

[half hornet]

Yes, all of them. I beat R5 E1 two days ago. Literally only 2 levels left:
R5 D1 and D2 and both scored 5 wipes on me so far.

[dry dagger]

R4E1? That level also has spooky shadow stealth.

[half hornet]

D2 is alright apart from that bullshit charger code thing, but D1 is just raw molasses and in so sick of doing same thing again and again expecting different result.

[wary olive]

i seen the clear screenshot he had real good teammates

i mean also no one really stealths that part if they're doing extreme

[half hornet]

Oh backstab 50 chargers, oh stealth past a mother, oh stealth past a tank and some BBCs, oh do team scans while pestered by chargers for 5 minutes, oh stealth past respawning shadows in complete, half-foggy darkness... For another 15 minutes.

This is definition of grind.

My only pleasure is foaming scouts and ramming them with me spear.

"Die, you piece of shit"

[dry dagger]

It be like that sometimes 😫

[wary olive]

and i dont mean this as in artek is bad, just that he's probably not getting teammates on the same level for his r5d1/d2 as the ones he got for r4e1

[dry dagger]

@artek When did you start if you don't mind me asking?

[atomic escarp]

i read that differently and it went places

[half hornet]

R6 v1.0 release. I don't do EAs anymore.

[wary olive]

r6 players are now considered vets like me

😎

[nocturne flax]

old gen vets vs new alt gens vets

[plush basin]

to be a vet you must have started in R1, have 2000 hours and cleared every level twice /s

[wary olive]

do NOT question my vet status. i will have you know it took my group 20 tries to complete r5b1 main before they all quit and i made it all the way to r5c1 (did NOT complete) before r6 dropped

😎

[nocturne flax]

to be a vet you have to

do whatever shitty requirement i say here

[ruby void]

Bullpup precision rifle enjoyer detected

[plush basin]

I've got a video of me and my mate clear R1C1 duo so yeah I guess you could say I'm pretty hardcore

[nocturne flax]

fr fr

[ruby void]

With a spear

[wary olive]

were u camping terminal putting in codes....

[plush basin]

yes and badger held the waves

[wary olive]

not even kidding the first r1c1 pub i joined they asked me to stay in the terminal room for all the waves

"We cannot miss a code"

[plush basin]

how grim 💀

whats the point in even playing that level if you can't leave a funny message on the terminal for the next guy to put a code in

[dry dagger]

Cool. I started original R4 and didn't becone "competent" at the game until R6.

I don't think it's too surprising that you're struggling on R5D1 as it's from the most difficult rundown (debatebly) and probably the longest level to complete coming close to R4E1.

[atomic escarp]

id say its the longest yeah

[plain saddle]

I remember doing a r1c1 pub where we pushed the waves back all the way to spawn and the poor guy couldn't run back to join the fight between codes anymore

[plush basin]

I'd like to think that was purely because each player was trying to peek the enemy for early shots again and again and again

[kind swan]

A group I joined wanted to set up further away from the terminal where all the early room supplies was at.

[half hornet]

Alright, if I bring a PDW I will need something against tanks, mothers and giant chargers... Hmmmm.

[nocturne flax]

chokemod

[half hornet]

It really is coming to that, isn't it.

[nocturne flax]

pump shotgun?

[half hornet]

HEL rifle would be okay but frankly I don't remember once having a good pen funnel.

[nocturne flax]

you can funnel

but i dont think you might wanna do that

[half hornet]

Considering I snipe tanks from like 20 meters usually - not good idea.

[nocturne flax]

with pump shotgun?

[half hornet]

No, but I'm not gonna run up to it either.

[nocturne flax]

i mean pump its good for everything

you just gotta use cover right

cc, giant killing, boss damage

[half hornet]

High cal sucks for chargers... Machine gun DPS is meh...
PR sucks D...
HEL Rifle got no good multikill opportunities...
Pump too close...
Don't even know what to do with sniper...

Yeah, I think I'll try choker next time.

Is there any point In stacking extra damage on choker?

Maybe if only to secure that 30 break point and make sure chargers get nuked into stratosphere by a graze

[dry dagger]

Pump is kind of sussy for tank, but if you're able to pull him where there's solid cover it's not a bad choice. It's really good for pMom fight.

HEL Rifle I think is solid. There's some overpen opportunities and it's economical if you just hit 2 targets.

Choke Mod is prob good. Yeah that's probably a good one.

Or you could just wait until R6 and take Scattergun.

[half hornet]

Nah, not good with that.

[last gust]

hel rifle is ass into bosses

[half hornet]

Affirmative

[kind swan]

Wouldn't hel rifle be weaker than High cal (assuming you don't get pens)

[winter wharf]

pump shotgun is funny for tank killing, all you need is someone else with a pump shotgun

then you just man mode him

[livid heath]

Based

[atomic escarp]

d2 tanks? you can make it to extract

without killing them

[half hornet]

D1 lad.

[atomic escarp]

you keep switching between the 2 i cant keep up

[half hornet]

Fair.

[dry dagger]

Also Burst Cannon isn't bad for killing tank but somewhat niche.

[livid heath]

Id rather sniper

But burst cannon is also good

Im just not good with any big boi dmg guns

[dry dagger]

Sniper is even more niche to me. You can still "brush shot" the BC into waves of smalls buts it's even trickier now b/c of it's nerf.

[livid heath]

I mean your main wp still stands

[half hornet]

BC is worthless against chargers though

Kill guaranteed, but 60 damage wasted